* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. GOOD EVENING [00:00:01] EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE OCTOBER 21ST, 2026 MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING, UH, PURSUANT TO THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY POSTED ON THE BULLETIN BOARD OF THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, AND ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE, MEDFORD TOWNSHIP, AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON JANUARY 22ND, 2026. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAVEN'T BEEN PROVIDED. PLEASE STAND FOR THE FLAGS SLEW I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. OF AMERICA, FOR WHICH IT STANDS, ONE NATION UNDERGROUND, INDIVISIBLE OF LIBERTY, JUSTICE. JUSTICE. OKAY, ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. MORRISON. MR. ? HERE, MR. GEN. HERE. MR. MR. BRIAN HERE. MR. PROPEL VICE CHAIRMAN RECORDS HERE AND THEN CHAIR HERE. OKAY. UH, CORRESPONDENCE. [5.Correspondence – request for Ann Harriett application to be carried to 11/09/2026. ] OH, UM, SO YOU HAVE A REQUEST FROM THE ATTORNEY FOR ANN, HARRY APPLICATION FOR THAT MATTER TO BE CARRIED TO THE NOVEMBER 9TH, 2026 MEETING. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CARRY TO THE NOVEMBER 9TH MEETING WITH NO FURTHER NOTICE? REQUIRED MOTION TO CARRY. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY, SO LET'S ANNOUNCE. SO IF ANYONE'S HERE FOR ANN HARRIET, THE HARRIET ANN HARRIET APPLICATION, UH, THAT MEET THAT IS NOT GOING TO BE BEFORE THE BOARD TONIGHT. IT'LL BE CARRIED TO NOVEMBER 9TH, WHICH IS A MONDAY, WHICH IS DIFFERENT THAN OUR NORMAL SCHEDULE. OKAY? UM, THERE'S, WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO RESOLUTIONS. WE DON'T HAVE THE, THE MINUTES FOR SEPTEMBER. UM, [7.Memorialization of Resolutions ] RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 25 JESSE BADGES THREE 14 TUCKERTON ROAD BLOCK 64 0 6 0 1 LOT 2 0 9 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE FOR ENCOURAGING INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 326 SQUARE FOOT POOL, HOUSE AND PATIO ROLL CALL. UH, MOTION. A MOTION, SORRY. I NEED A MOTION FROM, UH, VICE CHAIRMAN RAYMOND HUM. OR MR. BRIAN. OKAY. THREE OF US. I'LL MAKE A MOTION. SECOND. MR. ROY. AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RECORD. AYE. AND I CHAIR? UM, BOTH. AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 26 ROBERT WAGNER. 53 HAMSHIRE WAY BLOCK 41 0 1 0 2. LOT 30 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE LIMITED LINEAR DISTANCE OF THE FOUNDATION WALL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FRONT PORCH MOTION. AM I ALLOWED TO MAKE A MOTION? NO, YOU'RE NOT. I DIDN'T THINK SO. . SO ON THE, UH, SORRY. SO THE FIRST MEETING, THE FIRST RESOLUTION THAT WE DID, HE WAS HERE? YES, THAT WAS FROM OFFICE. OKAY. THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS ARE THE RESOLUTIONS WHERE HE DID NOT ATTEND. SO WHO WAS AT THAT MEETING? MOTION? UH, MRS. . MR. GENTILLY? UH, MANAGER AMBA AND MS. OKAY. SOMEBODY MAKE MOTION. SECOND. MRS. OSE? AYE. MR. GENTIL? AYE. MR. OBRIEN? AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR. AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 27 BILL AND TRACY TALT 1 24 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, EAST BLOCK 49 0 2 LOT ONE 30 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN GROUND SWIMMING POOL. MOTION SECOND. MR. . AYE. MR. GENTIL? AYE. MS. O'BRIEN? AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 28 DOROTHY M. LEWIS 21 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 8 LOT 58 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE EXISTING IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL AND DRIVEWAY MOTION. SECOND. MRS. LE LOPEZ. AYE. MR. GEN AYE. MR. BRYAN? AYE. AND THEN CHAIR AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 29 KEVIN FRIEL FIVE STRATFORD CIRCLE ROAD BLOCK 51 0 6 LOT 27 APPROVING AT BOTH VARIS TO ENCROACH INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN GROUND SWIMMING POOL. MOTION. SECOND. MR. ? AYE. MR. ? AYE. MR. O BRIAN AYE AND MADAM CHAIR BOTH. AYE. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 30 GOODWILL INDUSTRIES 1 48 OLD MARLTON PIKE BLOCK 9 0 6 0 2 LOT 21 APPROVING THE USE VARIANCE MINOR SUBDIVISION PRELIMINARY [00:05:01] AND FINAL SITE PLAN WITH BULK VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE USED AS A DROP OFF LOCATION AND STORAGE FACILITY. OBJECTION. SECOND. MR. ? AYE. MR. JUDGE JONES? AYE. MR. O'BRIEN? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN MURPHY. AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR AMBO. AYE. THANK YOU. [8.Applications ] OKAY. MOVING INTO OUR APPLICATIONS, THE FIRST APPLICATION, JOSEPH AND KRISTA KAUFMAN, 19 ONION TOWN ROAD BLOCK 53 0 1 12 BLOCK FIVE SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR A SECOND DETACHED GARAGE. HM. COME ON OUT, CORRECT? YEP. JUST TO THE MIC RIGHT THERE. YEP. AND WE WILL GET YOU SWORN IN WHO WILL BE TESTIFYING WILL BOTH BE TESTIFYING MORE HIM THAN ME, SO . OKAY. IF YOU COULD IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND STATE YOUR NAME. KRISTA KAUFMAN. JOSEPH KAUFMAN. DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GOOD TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND BUT THE TRUTH? YES. YES. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION. UM, WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN OCTOBER OF 25. OF 25. YEAH, OF 25. UM, THE GARAGE WAS ALREADY THERE. , THE GARAGE WAS ALREADY THERE. THAT, THAT WAS THE BIG SELLING POINT FOR ME BUYING THE HOUSE. THEN NOVEMBER, NO, WHEN WE KNEW THEY, THEY SAID THAT THE ONLY, UM, WHEN WE DID THE SEARCH ON THE HOME WITH THE TITLE THAT THAT CAME UP, THAT THERE WAS AN OPEN PERMIT ON IT. AN AND THEY, SORRY, AN OPEN PERMIT. AN O YEAH. OKAY. FOR ELECTRICAL. OKAY. ON THE GARAGE. AND THEY SAID IT WOULD BE TAKEN CARE OF. SO THEY IS THE SELLERS? YES. FOR 800 AND SOME DOLLARS. I FIGURED, WELL, I, I'LL JUST PAY THE $800, GET MY PERMIT AND AIN'T NO GOOD, DIDN'T HEAR ANYTHING. AND THEN NOVEMBER WE GET A LETTER SAYING THAT THERE WAS TWO COMPLAINTS THAT THE GARAGE WAS BUILT WITHOUT PERMITS. I SAID, WELL, HOW CAN THAT BE? WE HAVE THE ELECTRICAL INSPECTION AND ON THE TITLE SEARCH THEY ASK YOU IF THERE'S ANY OPEN PERMITS ON THE HOUSE THAT WAS CHECKED OUT. SO THEN THAT, THAT'S AFTER DOING SOME DIGGING, DOING THE FOUR YEAR RES, UH, REQUEST FROM THE TOWN. UM, I, I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO. I HAD IT RESURVEYED, WE PAID TO HAVE THE WHOLE PROPERTY RESURVEYED AGAIN. MM-HMM . UM, OKAY, SO THAT WAS NOVEMBER OF 2025. OKAY. HERE I COULD BARELY, YES. SORRY, THAT WAS NOVEMBER OF 2025. YES. IS WHEN WE GOT THE LETTER. OKAY. WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE IN OCTOBER TWO MONTHS MM-HMM . A MONTH PRIOR. OKAY. NOT EVEN. SO HOW ARE WE HERE A YEAR? LATE LATER? WHAT HAP WHAT'S BEEN HAPPENING FROM, SO IN YOUR FOLDERS YOU SHOULD HAVE, UM, A PERMIT DENIAL DATED 8 11 20 25 TO, UM, JOHN A, A KERCHER JUNIOR KERCHER AND SUSAN AT 19 INDIANTOWN ROAD. AND IT IS A DENIAL FROM THE ZONING OFFICER SAYING PROPOSED GARAGE DOES NOT COMPLY WITH THE DR 5 0 1, WHICH ALLOWS ONLY ONE PRIVATE GARAGE, WHETHER ATTACHED OR UNATTACHED. SO, UM, THAT WAS A ZONING PERMIT DENIAL. MM-HMM . UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE, THE OTHER PERMITS, I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TRANSPIRED IN THE OFFICE EXCEPT THAT I THINK THAT THERE WAS A, SOMETHING, I HAVE NO IDEA . SO, UM, I DUNNO IF SO THIS BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE? YES. SORRY. YES. THIS WAS BEFORE THEY BOUGHT THE HOUSE TO THE OLD PREVIOUS OWNER. RIGHT. WELL, SO THEY KNEW THIS BEFORE THEY SOLD IT. IT WAS EIGHT. YES. WHAT DID, I'M SORRY, WHAT DID YOU SAY? EIGHT 11? AUGUST. AUGUST? YEAH, THAT WAS AUGUST 11TH, 2025. WE BOUGHT, WE BOUGHT THE H UH, THE HOME. YES. OCTOBER 20TH, 2025. SO NOT EVEN TWO MONTHS LATE PRIOR, I GUESS TRIED FIVE, WE DON'T EVEN EVEN KNOW WHEN THE GARAGE WAS BUILT, TO BE HONEST WITH YOU. WELL, THE GARAGE FROM TALKING TO ALL MY NEIGHBORS AND EVERYTHING, THE GARAGE HAS BEEN UP FOR A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS BEFORE YOU BOUGHT IT? BEFORE I BOUGHT THE HOUSE. YEAH. OKAY. SO WAS YOUR PERMIT WAS, DID SOMEBODY CLOSE OUT THE FINAL PERMIT? NO, IT ELECTRICAL? NO, NO. THAT'S WHAT WE, THAT THAT'S WHAT I, I ASSUMED. YEAH. LOOK, I NEVER BOUGHT A HOUSE BEFORE. I HAVE NO IDEA. THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME. SO YOU ALSO HAVE IN YOUR FILE, UM, IT'S SIGNED BY RICH FSCO ON NINE 16 OF 2025 AND IT SAYS APPLICATION OPEN. SO I, I THINK WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THEY CONSTRUCTED IT, THEY APPLIED FOR PERMITS, THEY DIDN'T GET THOSE PERMITS AND SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE OPEN BECAUSE SOMEHOW THEY WENT AHEAD AND BUILT EVEN THOUGH THEY WEREN'T [00:10:01] SUPPOSED TO. MM-HMM . UM, THAT NOTWITHSTANDING THAT THE CURRENT OWNER UNDERSTOOD THAT THERE WERE VIOLATIONS. UM, AND THE GARAGE IS NOT PERMITTED. SO, I MEAN, AND SO THEY'RE SAYING THEIR TESTIMONY IS THAT THEY WERE UNAWARE THAT THERE WERE VIOLATIONS? YEAH. THAT WE JUST KNEW ABOUT THE ONE PERMIT. I HAVE THE COPY OF IT, OF THE ELECTRICAL PERMIT. YEAH. BUT I THINK PART OF THE, THE CONVERSATION WITH THE CONSTRUCTION OFFICIAL WOULD BE THAT WHAT THEY DON'T WANNA HAVE IT IS A LIFE SAFETY ISSUE BECAUSE THERE'S AN ELECTRICAL FIRE, RIGHT? MM-HMM . LIKE, SO THERE, THERE IS A CONCERN, YOU KNOW, THEY LIVE IN THE WOODS. WE ALL DO. SO THAT'S THE REASON WE HAVE TO DO THIS. RIGHT. IT'S A, IT'S LIFE SAFETY ISSUES. MM-HMM . PRIMARILY. AND THEN YOU SHOULD HAVE A LETTER. YEAH. THE LETTER FROM MR. RUGA. YEAH. SAYING THAT THERE WAS TWO ANONYMOUS COMPLAINTS, NOT EVEN A MONTH AFTER I PURCHASED THE HOME, BUT IT WAS UP FOR TWO YEARS PRIOR TO ME BUYING IT. I CAN'T CONTROL WHEN SO MANY COMPLAINTS. NO, I, I UNDERSTAND. I'M JUST SAYING IT'S JUST, IT'S A LITTLE WEIRD TO ME. YEAH. YOU KNOW, IT IS BEEN UP FOR TWO YEARS. WELL, IT SEEMS LIKE NOTHING'S HAPPENED. SEEMS LIKE THE PERSON SELLING IT TO YOU WAS NOT VERY TRUTHFUL WITH YOU IN THE FIRST PLACE. I NEVER MET THE GUY. I CAN'T SAY WHETHER HE IS OR HE, I MEAN, THIS LETTER WAS TWO MONTHS BEFORE YOU PURCHASED THE PROPERTY. HE HAD TO HAVE KNOWN MM-HMM . I MEAN, THIS IS, WELL IT WAS UP TWO, A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS PRIOR TO ME BUYING THE HOUSE. SO IS THERE ELECTRIC IN THAT GARAGE? NOW? I CAN'T HEAR YOU. IS THERE ELECTRIC IN THE GARAGE NOW? THERE'S ELECTRIC, THERE'S EVERYTHING. IT JUST DOESN'T PICTURE, THERE'S EVERYTHING IN ELECTRIC COME TO FIND. WELL, YEAH, THERE'S ELECTRIC. COME TO FIND OUT THAT, THAT MR. KARCHER WAS A, A, UH, A CARPENTER AND HIS SON IS A LICENSED ELECTRICIAN. SO HIS SON IS THE ONE WHO DID ALL THE ELECTRIC. WHEN YOU SAY THE WORK'S DONE, IS IT PERMANENT NOW TOO? IS THERE A PERMIT FOR THE ELECTRICAL WORK OR WAS IT, I DON'T THINK IT WAS EVER CLOSED, NO. OKAY. THAT'S SOMETHING ELSE. NO, LIKE I SAID, WE ASSUMED IT WAS AN OPEN PERMIT FOR THE ELECTRIC. YOU PAY THAT AND THEN YOU'RE GOOD. I, I DIDN'T KNOW THERE WAS NO PERMIT FOR THE BUILDING UNTIL WE DID THE OPEN, UH, RECORD REQUEST. OKAY. SO PERMITTING ASIDE, I'M JUST GONNA ASK SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE GARAGE. OKAY. UM, SO HOW, HOW IS THE GARAGE BEING USED RIGHT NOW? RIGHT NOW IT'S JUST STORED. I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TO IT. YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, IT'S GOT MY TOOLS. IT'S GOT FOUR WHEELERS. YOU KNOW, I HAVEN'T DONE ANYTHING TILL THIS WAS STRAIGHTENED OUT BECAUSE I DON'T WANT DO IT TWICE. IS THERE SOMETHING YOU PLAN ON DOING? WHAT? WHAT'S THAT? IS THERE, I DON'T KNOW, IS THERE SOMETHING YOU PLAN ON DOING ADDITIONAL TO THE GARAGE? NO, NO, NO. I, I MEAN ORGANIZING, I'M SORRY. OKAY. ORGANIZING ASIDE, YOU KNOW, TOOLBOX HERE, TOOLBOX THERE, YOU KNOW? MM-HMM . HOW IS IT GONNA BE UTILIZED? LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO YOU DO FOR WORK WHERE? UH, I'M A LOADER OPERATOR. OKAY. SO IS THERE ANY TRACTORS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN HERE? NO. ARE YOU YOUR OWN BUSINESS OWNER? YEAH. WHERE IS YOUR EQUIPMENT STORED? UH, I PARKED IN MONG. OKAY. SO THIS WON'T BE USED FOR ANY BUSINESS PURPOSES? NO. MM-HMM. OKAY. AND THERE'S A, A, UM, I'M SURE MS. TAYLOR WILL GET INTO IT, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A SECOND DRIVEWAY RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE IN FRONT OF THE, UH, YEAH. SO DO YOU UTILIZE THAT DRIVEWAY? NO, I, I, I DON'T USE THE GARAGE. OTHER CAN'T GET ANYTHING IN OTHER THAN FOR STORAGE? NO, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST MY, UH, I HAVE A PICKUP TRUCK SITTING IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. THAT'S IT. IF THAT GARAGE WERE TO BE USED, WOULD YOU NEED THE DRIVEWAY OR YOU'RE ABLE TO GET TO IT FROM YOUR I I COULD GET TO IT FROM MY DRIVEWAY. YEAH. BUT THERE IS STONE. I MEAN, I GUESS THE, THE PREVIOUS OWNER LAID THREEQUARTER, CLEAN STONE DOWN. I MEAN, IT'S LOOKS LIKE A REGULAR DRIVEWAY. OKAY, MS. TAYLOR, I'LL LET YOU, OKAY. SO THIS, THIS [00:15:01] IS A DIFFICULT APPLICATION BECAUSE WE REALLY DON'T HAVE ALL THE FACTS WITH RESPECT TO THE GARAGE. AND, AND THAT IS A PROBLEM. DO YOU HAVE OUR LETTER DATED JUNE 11TH, 2026? JUNE OF WHAT LETTER? DO YOU HAVE AN EXTRA COPY? I MIND? 'CAUSE I ONLY HAVE ONE HERE. WHAT DOES IT SAY? IT SAYS A LOT, ACTUALLY. IT'S A LOT. IT SAYS A LOT. WE DIDN'T GET NOTHING. ASK A QUESTION. THANK YOU. SO I SENT IT TO CHRISSYKAUFMAN4@GMAIL.COM. THAT'S ME. MM-HMM . YOU SENT THIS TO ME? YES. MAYBE IT WENT INTO YOUR JUNK EMAIL. SO, UM, DO WE KNOW THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE? WHAT'S THE HEIGHT TO THE PEAK? I, I DON'T KNOW EXACTLY WHAT, WHAT IT IS. I MEAN, THE, THE OPENING IS 12 FEET, SO I, I DON'T WANT TO GIVE YOU, YOU KNOW OKAY. MAYBE 13 FEET A FOOT AFTER THE, THE VEHICLE TO THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. I'M SORRY, AN ADDITIONAL FOOT TO THE PEAK WITH THE, THE, I DON'T THINK THAT FROM THE GARAGE DOOR, THAT DOESN'T WORK. THE ROOF, YEAH. THE PEAK OF THE ROOF. RIGHT. THE GARAGE DOOR IS, UM, 16 FEET WIDE BY 12 FEET HIGH, 12 FEET HIGH. AND IT'S ABOUT A, MAYBE A FOOT AFTER THAT IS THE BIG, MAYBE TWO HERE, HERE. I, I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S A RELIABLE ANSWER. SO I, I NEED A MORE RELIABLE ANSWER. YEAH. I, I, OKAY. WELL, YEAH, THERE'S A PICTURE OF IT. IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S LIKE THREE OR FOUR FEET ABOVE. WHAT'S THAT? IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S THREE OR FOUR FEET ABOVE IN THE PICTURES THAT YOU PREVENT. THERE'S A DRAWING IN HERE THAT SAYS THAT IT'S FOOT 14 FOOT HIGH WALLS IN ONE OF THE SKETCHES. IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S FROM KERRA. CORRECT. BUT THE PROBLEM IS THAT I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE PEAK IS, RIGHT? YEAH. WHAT'S THE PEAK AT THAT POINT? YEAH, SO IT COULD BE, THE PEAK WOULD BE ABOVE THE 14. AND THIS WAS PRIOR TO THE ORDINANCE BEING CHANGED AS FAR AS I CAN TELL. IS THAT CORRECT, ANN? WE, WE COULDN'T CONFIRM. UM, BUT IT WAS STILL A 20 FEET HIGH PEAK, SO, SO WE CAN ASSUME, WELL, LET'S ASSUME THAT IT'S LESS THAN 20 FEET HIGH AND THEY DON'T NEED A VARIANCE. JUST, OKAY. UM, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WASN'T DONE WAS, UM, ON YOUR LOT COVERAGE WORKSHEET, THE AREA OF THE STONES IS CONSIDERED LOT COVERAGE. AND SO THAT NEEDS TO BE, UM, CONSIDERED AS PART OF THE APPLICATION. SO WE NEED TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR LOT COVERAGE. I, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. SO, UM, THERE ARE REQUIREMENTS MAXIMUMS FOR LOT COVERAGE, AND SO THE STONE IS CONSIDERED LOT COVERAGE. SO WE WOULD NEED TO KNOW THE AREA OF THAT STONE. YOU MEAN IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE? CORRECT. THIS LETTER RIGHT NOW, JUST GIMME A CHANCE TO, SO WE CAN CONFIRM THAT SINCE THERE WAS NO PERMIT ISSUED, ZONING PERMIT ISSUED, UM, THAT THERE WAS CLEARLY NOT A, A TREE REMOVAL PERMIT. SO WE'LL JUST SET THAT ASIDE. IT ISN'T A REGULAR LOT AND WE'RE GONNA POINT THAT OUT TO THE BOARD. UM, AND THERE ARE, IT IS AN, YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING DWELLING IS NON-CONFORMING AND WE'VE NOTED THAT THE NON-CONFORMING STANDARDS, UM, FOR YOU, MS. TAYLOR, JUST STEPPING BACK [00:20:01] FOR A SECOND. YEP. THE APPLICANT CLEARLY HAS NOT REVIEWED HER LETTER. CORRECT. AND THERE ARE SOME PIECES MISSING THAT I THINK WE NEED TO KNOW OR INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO HAVE YES. FOR US TO PROCEED, EVALUATE THE APPLICATION. SO AT THIS POINT, DOES IT MAKE SENSE THAT WE TO CONTINUE THIS AND, AND NO, BUT THEN I DON'T THINK THAT THE BOARD CAN MAKE A DECISION. WE HAVE NO, WE DON'T HAVE INFORMATION. I, I MEAN, LISTEN, I DON'T KNOW MR. DRAWS, IS IT UP TO THE APPLICANT? I I AGREE IT OKAY. YOU, IT'S YOUR OBLIGATION TO MAKE A DECISION. DECISION. YEAH. I THINK IT'S IN YOUR BEST INTEREST THAT WE DON'T, DON'T TALK ABOUT THINGS WHERE WE DON'T HAVE CONCRETE NUMBERS AND, AND ARE JUST TRYING TO LIKE GUESS AND FIGURE THINGS OUT. UM, SO YEAH, I JUST DON'T THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE AT THIS POINT TO MOVE FORWARD. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVEN'T READ THE LETTER AND THE LETTER. IT PROVIDES A LOT OF INFORMATION AND IT WOULD BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY IF YOU HAD, IF YOU HAVE THE TIME TO READ THE LETTER, UM, AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, I HAVE THE SAME LETTER, IT'S NOT EASY TO JUST PICK IT UP AND READ IT FOR THE FIRST TIME AND UNDERSTAND WHAT IT'S SAYING AT ME. I MEAN, YOU'RE LOOKING AT IT. YEAH. JUST HANDED IT TO YOU. YOU EVENTUALLY THROW IT ON EFFECT. I'M NOT GOOD ON WHAT, WHATEVER IT'S SAYING. SO , IT'S IT'S SELF YEAH. IT'S, IT'S YOUR FIRST TIME LOOKING AT IT. YOU REALLY SHOULD GO THROUGH IT AND YOU KNOW, WE'LL MAYBE HAVE AN ADDITIONAL CONVERSATION MAYBE WITH MICHELLE OR, OR RIGHT. IT'LL GIVE US DETAILS THAT WE NEED TO YEAH, SURE. I MEAN WE CAN'T JUST ASSUME. RIGHT. MAYBE WE CAN GIVE THEM EXACTLY WHAT WE NEED TO KNOW AS WELL. YEAH, I MEAN IT'S IN THE LETTER. IT'S IN THE LETTER. IT'S IN THE LETTER. EXACTLY. THAT'S WHY WE WRITE THE LETTER. RIGHT. SO, YOU KNOW, AND THEY KNOW EVERYBODY, EVERYBODY. HE'S AWARE, RIGHT? YEAH. YEAH. IF YOU LOOK AT SECTION A OF THE LETTER RIGHT AT THE TOP, THERE'S THREE ITEMS THERE THAT, UH, MS. TAYLOR SUGGESTS WE HAD BEFORE THE HEARING. ARE YOU THIS ONE? YOU FIRST? NO, FIRST PERSON. PAGE, PAGE, PAGE ON UNDER A PRIOR TO ANY SCHEDULED. 1, 2, 3. OH, PRIOR TO ANY SCHEDULED HEARING. THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE, THAT'S YOUR HOMEWORK. THE AREA OF THE STONES AND THE COMMENTS SECTION, SECOND ACCESS FROM HUNTINGTOWN ROAD. YOU, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE, UH, DRIVEWAY IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE. THE STONE. CORRECT. YEP. THERE'S A LOT OF DETAILS AT THE BOTTOM OF THE LETTER ABOUT THAT COMMENT BY ITSELF IN REGARDS TO WHAT'S PERMITTED AND WHAT'S NOT. OKAY. RIGHT. SO TYPICALLY YOU ONLY ALLOWED ONE DRIVEWAY AND THERE'S SUPPOSED TO BE A CERTAIN MAXIMUM WIDTHS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. IT'S IN THE LETTER IN THE BACK. MM-HMM . IF WANTS TO SPEAK ABOUT IT BEFORE OR DO YOU WANNA JUST TELL HIM TO COME BACK? YOU CAN ASK HIM IF YOU CAN ASK TONY, DO YOU THINK SO DO YOU THINK YOU WANT TO COME BACK AFTER YOU REVIEW THIS AND WE'LL PUT YOU BACK ON ANOTHER AGENDA? YEAH, WE . AND IS THERE, IS THERE ANYBODY FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WANTS TO COMMENT ON THIS AT THIS POINT? I MEAN, DO WE WANT TO JUST OPEN THAT? DON'T DO PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST HAVE 'EM COME BACK LET'S, WE DON'T EVEN, WE'RE NOT IN A POSITION TO MAKE A DECISION ON. YEAH, I AGREE. YEAH. DO YOU, WHEN WHEN WE HAVE WHAT THE INFORMATION THAT WE BELIEVE WE NEED, RIGHT. AND THEN, YOU KNOW, THESE POSITION MAKE DECISION, THEN I, YOU KNOW, THE PUBLIC WILL KNOW WHAT IT IS YOU'RE MAKING THE DECISION ON AND THEN YOU CAN ENTERTAIN FURTHER COMMENT. OKAY. OKAY. THAT MAKES SENSE. UM, SO DO WE WANNA MOVE IT TO NOVEMBER 9TH TO NOVEMBER? OR IS, IS THERE, IT'S COMING UP QUICK THOUGH, ISN'T IT? RIGHT? IT'S COMING UP QUICK. I IS THAT UP TO THE APPLICANT IF THEY FEEL READY BY NOVEMBER? I DON'T KNOW WHAT OUR AGENDA LOOKS LIKE FOR NOVEMBER. RIGHT, RIGHT. UM, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA IS LIKE FOR NOVEMBER, BUT IT'S GETTING FULL. WE NORMALLY NEED THE THIRD WEDNESDAY, BUT WHEN WE WERE SCHEDULED FOR LAST MONTH, BUT I GUESS YOU HAD SOMETHING ELSE GOING ON, SO, AND ASKED IF I COULD POSTPONE IT. I SAID YEAH, SURE. NO PROBLEM. OKAY. SO THE THIRD THURSDAY IN NOVEMBER IS NOT GONNA BE UNDER MEDIA BECAUSE THAT'S FAIR ENOUGH. THANKSGIVING TIME PERIOD. SO WE ACTUALLY MOVED IT UP, IT SOUNDED SO IT'S ACTUALLY ONLY QUICK. YEAH. AND REALLY SHOULD HAVE ENOUGH TIME TO, TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF ALL OF THIS AND WELL, I MEAN, THERE'S ONLY A COUPLE THINGS. RIGHTS JUST YEAH. HIDE THE GARAGE, THE HIDE OF THE GARAGE AND THE, UH, AREA IN FRONT OF THE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE AREA. THE ASPHALT. I JUST, WE DON'T WANT PUT YOU IN, IN A TIME CRUNCH WHERE YOU CAN'T GET IT DONE. IF YOU THINK YOU CAN GET IT DONE, I'M OPEN TO IT. IF YOU WANNA COME BACK FOR NOVEMBER 9TH, THEN WE WILL ADD YOU ON THE AGENDA FOR NOVEMBER 9TH. IF THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME, THEN WE'LL PUSH YOU TO THE DECEMBER MEETING. IT'S UP TO YOU. NO, YEAH, NO, THAT, THAT'S FINE. I MEAN THE NO, I CAN COME BACK TOMORROW . [00:25:01] OKAY. NOVEMBER 9TH. SO, WE'LL, UM, I THINK THAT, THAT, I THINK THAT THAT'S A GOOD IDEA. MAKE A MOTION THAT WE CARRY THIS TILL NOVEMBER 9TH INFORMATION NEEDED WITHOUT HAVING TO GIVE NOTICE. OKAY. THANK YOU. UH, WE'LL DO A ROLL CALL, SIR. MR. GENTILLY. AYE. MR. BRYAN? AYE. MR. ZOGA? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN AND MAD CHAIRMAN? AYE. OKAY. SORRY WE COULDN'T RESOLVE FOR YOU TONIGHT. YOU'RE GONNA BE GETTING INFORMATION TO MICHELLE. WELL, THEY HAVE THE LETTER NOW. WE READY? GONNA RESPOND TO MICHELLE? THE INFORMATION THERE? NO, WELL THEY, NO, I'M JUST GONNA BRING IT ON A NOTE. TYPICALLY THEY RESPOND TO ANN BELL'S OFFICE OKAY. SO THAT SHE KNOWS WHAT'S HAPPENING. ALRIGHT. BUT YOU SHOULD GET THAT IN BEFORE NUMBER NINTH, SO PREFERABLY YES. I'LL SEND IT TO YOU TOMORROW. OKAY. WELL, AND IF THERE'S ANYTHING MISSING, YOU CAN LET ME KNOW SATURDAY, I'LL GO OUT AND DO WHATEVER. DO. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANKS FOR YOUR TIME. OKAY, NEXT APPLICATION. JESSE AND SAMANTHA. ARDI, 16 SIERRA TRAIL BLOCK 28 0 1 LOT 11 SEEKING OF BOTH VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD, INSIDE YARD SETBACKS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ENTRYWAY AND ENCLOSING AN OPEN PORCH. YES. HI, I'M SAMANTHA. THIS IS OUR ARCHITECT DOUG AND JULIAN ORDO. HE'S A FRIEND BUT HE'S REAL ESTATE. UM, HE WHO'S GONNA BE TESTIFYING BOTH OF THEM, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT. OKAY. AND IF YOU ALL JUST WANNA COME UP AND GET SWORN, IF YOU COULD PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND TO THE RECORD INTO THE MICROPHONE. SAMANTHA GERARDI. YOU'RE THE APPLICANT? YES. UH, JULIAN ORDO. DOUGLAS MILLIKEN. I'M THE ARCHITECT. ALRIGHT, FOLKS. YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES. YES. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I JUST WROTE IT DOWN BECAUSE I GET NERVOUS. PUBLIC SPEAKING. . UM, MY HUSBAND'S AT HOME. HE'S WITH THE KIDS. UM, WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE FIVE YEARS AGO, ALMOST SIX NOW. UM, BEFORE WE START, I ACTUALLY HAVE AN UPDATED PICTURE FOR SOME REASON WHEN WE SENT YOU GUYS THE PICTURE, IT FLIPPED IT. OKAY. UM, I HAVE, CAN I PASS OUT? MM-HMM . UM, THIS IS WHERE OUR HOUSE ACTUALLY LOOKS. . UM, IGNORE THE LAKE . THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ONE MORE. I'LL TAKE IT. . OKAY. . THANK YOU. SO THIS IS NEW. WE HAVEN'T SEEN THIS BEFORE. UM, IT'S JUST WHEN WE SENT IT TO YOU GUYS, THE HOUSE. SO FOR SOME REASON IT'S LYFT. OKAY. SO THIS IS JUST WHAT IT ACTUALLY LOOKS LIKE FROM THE STREET ALREADY? YES. THIS IS ALREADY HERE. THIS WAS ONE OF THE ONES THAT YOU GAVE US. OH, IT'S, LOOKS LIKE THIS ONE. WHEN I LOOKED BACK AT MY EMAIL, IT LOOKED LIKE IT HAD SLIPPED IN. IT LOOKS OH IT DOES. IT'S FLIPPED. IT FLIPPED. IT'S A MIRROR. IT'S A MIRROR IMAGE, BUT THIS IS CORRECT. THAT'S FINE. SO THIS IS JUST THE, WHAT IT LOOKED, I JUST SNAPPED ANOTHER PIC FROM THE STREET. UM, OKAY. SO SINCE WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE, WE HAVE DONE SOME UPDATES. WE ADDED A BEDROOM, WE CONNECTED TO THE CITY WATER. UM, THE FRONT DOOR, WHEN YOU OPEN THE FRONT DOOR, YOU HIT THE STAIRS, IT'S LIKE, IT'S THREE FEET, MAYBE . UM, LIKE MY YOUNGEST, SOMEBODY OPENED THE FRONT DOOR, SHE LIKE RAN RIGHT INTO IT, KNOCKED A TOOTH OUT. UM, IT'S FREEZING COLD IN THE WINTER AND A THOUSAND DEGREES IN THE SUMMER. WE JUST LIKE CAN'T GET A HANDLE ON, UH, THE TEMPERATURE. UM, AT THE SAME TIME, YOU KNOW, IT'S A FOYER. WE'D LIKE, I HAVE THREE KIDS, BACKPACKS, COATS, SHOES, YOU KNOW, JUST ALL OF THEIR STUFF. UM, WOULD BE REALLY NICE TO HAVE SOMEWHERE TO PUT IT. UM, AND OUR, UM, OUR ARCHITECT CAN TALK MORE ABOUT LIKE THE DESIGN AND MEASUREMENTS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. UM, AND JULIAN, IF HE'S ABLE TO TESTIFY, I MEAN HIS OPINION IS JUST ABOUT THE IMPROVEMENTS AND HOW IT WOULD UPGRADE THE PROPERTY AND THE OVERALL, JUST THE OVERALL NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I HAVE SPOKEN TO MY NEIGHBORS, THEY ARE COMPLETELY FINE HOMEOWNERS ASSOCIATION SIGNED OFF ON IT. THEY'RE GOOD TO GO TO. UM, SO I MEAN, IF YOU HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR ME, I CAN LET DOUG TAKE OVER, IF NOT YEAH. I THINK THE QUESTIONS ARE JUST GONNA BE CENTERED AROUND WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE. SURE. SO, YEAH. MAKES SENSE. IT'S ALL YOU. WHAT IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE IS THAT FRONT ELEVATION AND THE TWO SIDES THAT ARE ON THE PLAN ALONG THAT ARE ON THE, UH, DRAWING ALONG WITH THE PLAN. UH, JUST TO CLARIFY SOMETHING, THE EXISTING, UH, FRONT WALL AND FRONT DOOR THAT ARE ON THE PLAN RIGHT NOW PRINTED APPARENTLY AS A SOLID LINE IMPLYING THAT THEY, BUT THEY'RE GO, THAT'S, THAT, THAT, THAT SHOULD BE A BROKEN LINE [00:30:01] INDICATING THAT THO THAT THAT DOOR AND THE 11 FEET OF WATER COULD BE REMOVED THE NOTE TO OPEN THE WHOLE THING UP. YES. MADAM CHAIR THE NOTE DOES SAY THAT. THE NOTE, YEAH. THE NOTE SAYS JUST SMALL, JUST TO CLARIFY. UM, AND UH, BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, THE, IT AS HAS BEEN SAID, YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS ONE OF THOSE OBSOLETE 1960S DESIGNS WHERE YOU OPEN THE FRONT DOOR AND THERE ARE THE STEPS. YEAH. IT'S LIKE EVERYBODY DOOR LEAF AND THE STEPS ARE HERE. MM-HMM . RIGHT. UH, AND, UH, NOT LEAST OF ALL, I MEAN THIS, YOU KNOW, THESE FOLKS, THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE THEIR FOREVER HOME. YEAH. AND THEY'RE, AND SO, YOU KNOW, CONSIDERATIONS FOR THE FUTURE HAVE, YOU KNOW, SHOULD BE MADE. UH, AGAIN, IT'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUE. YOU OPEN THE FRONT DOOR AND BLASTS OF HOT OR COLD AIR DEPENDING ON, ON THE SEASON WHEELCHAIRS. UH, THAT'S A . MY AUNT'S IN A WHEELCHAIR. IF YOU, IF YEAH. THERE'S, IF THE, THE CURRENT ENTRY, UH, DOESN'T HAVE THE ROOM TO BE ACCESSIBLE, YOU CAN'T NAVIGATE, YOU CAN'T BRING A WHEELCHAIR IN THAT DOORWAY AND THEN TURN RIGHT OR LEFT TO GET AROUND THE STAIRS. IT'S AWFUL. IT SIMPLY ISN'T ENOUGH ROOM TO EVEN MAKE A 90 DEGREE TURN. WE HAVE TO LIKE PICK HER UP YEAH. AND BRING THE CHAIR IN AND THEN BRING HER IN. IT'S JUST AWFUL. BUT AMONG OTHER THINGS, THESE ARE THE KINDS OF THINGS THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT SAYING. YEAH. AND AGAIN, FOR, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE AMBULATORY NOW, BUT IF IT'S THEIR FOREVER HOME THAT DAY COULD EASILY, THAT DAY IS GOING TO COME WHERE SOMEONE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING TO HAVE MOBILITY ISSUES AND UH, UNLESS THEY WANT TO SELL THE HOUSE AND, AND, AND, AND FOR, UH, ELA VALLEY FORGE, LET'S HOPE THEY HAVE NOT MUCH MONEY. OH MY GOD. . UM, YOU, THEY, UH, THEN, YOU KNOW, YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO NAVIGATE THAT HOUSE AT LEAST WITH SOMETHING LIKE A ROLL, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME SORT OF A MOBILITY ASSISTING DEVICE. IT'S JUST A ROLL AROUND, NEVERMIND AN ACTUAL WHEELCHAIR. AND SO WE HAVE ALL THAT IN LINE AGAIN, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, COAT, THERE'S NO COAT CLOSET WITHIN ANY, ANY DECENT BREACH. NO, YEAH. THAT'S A, THAT'S A CONVENIENCE ISSUE. YEAH. LIKE FUNCTIONALITY IS ABOUT CONVENIENCE, BUT COAT HOOKS AND CLOSETS AND THINGS LIKE THAT. THE ABILITY TO ACTUALLY USE THAT FOYER FOR THAT SORT OF THING. BUT, YOU KNOW, THE BIGGEST PRACTICAL THING IS ACCESSIBILITY. AND IF WE ONLY COME FORWARD A COUPLE OF FEET WHERE IT WOULD STAY WITHIN, UH, THE FRONT YARD LINE, THEN BASICALLY IT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD ABOUT THAT. IT WOULD BE COMING FORWARD ABOUT, YOU KNOW, ABOUT THAT MUCH. SO, OKAY. THAT WOULD NOT BE IMPOSSIBLE, BUT I, FRANKLY, I THINK IT WOULD LOOK BUILDING. MM-HMM . I THINK THE STREET, I THINK COMING FORWARD, YOU KNOW, THE EIGHT, THE 10 OR SO THAT WE DO, THAT WE PROPOSE TO DO IS A MORE ATTRACTIVE STREET FRONT THAN, THAN A, THAN A FRONT IS PIECE THAN A BRAKE FRONT. THAT'S ONLY A COUPLE OF FEET DEEP THAT AMOUNTS THAT, YOU KNOW, THAT TO SATISFY THE 50 FOOT SETBACK. RIGHT. YEAH. SO, THANK YOU. SO THE, THE PHOTO IS, UH, SUPPOSED TO BE A SIMILAR, SIMILAR STYLE, SO IT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE THAT. BUT UM, CAN YOU JUST PUT SOME TESTIMONY ON THE RECORD FOR THE COLORS THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE CONSISTENT WITH? PROBABLY WHITE. WHAT THE, PROBABLY CLOSE TO, I DON'T PLAN ON, I SPOKE TO OUR HOMEOWNERS, THEY LIKE TO KEEP IT PRETTY CONSISTENT. MM-HMM . IF WE CAN, THEY TECHNICALLY CAN'T TELL US WHAT TO DO, BUT WE LIKE, LOVE OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, SO PROBABLY THE PILLARS WOULD BE WHITE, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT. UM, AND THE BRICK OBVIOUSLY ADDING AN ADDITION, WE'D HAVE TO REDO THE SIDING. WE TALKED ABOUT KEEPING IT IN LIKE THE BARNWOOD RED FAMILY. OKAY. UM, WOULD YOU SAY THAT THEY WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING BUILDING? THAT WOULD BE, YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. DON'T CHANGE IT TOO MUCH. WE LIKE IT. OKAY. SO, AND HONESTLY, I WOULD DO BRICK AGAIN IF IT WAS NOT SO EXPENSIVE. MM-HMM . UM, OKAY. UM, MS. TAYLOR, I MEAN, WE WOULD CONCUR. UM, I THINK THIS IS A, AN AESTHETIC IMPROVEMENT TO THE DWELLING. YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE HOUSE IS SET WHERE IT IS IN ORDER TO PROVIDE A USABLE FOYER. UM, YOU KNOW, THAT 10 FEET, FOUR FEET WOULD NOT GIVE THEM WHAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR. AND IT ALSO WOULDN'T ALLOW 'EM TO PUT THE LIGHTS IN THE SIDE THAT THEY HAVE. SO THEY HAVE CLOSETS AND THEN THEY HAVE THE, THE WINDOWS ON THE SIDE MM-HMM . UM, WHICH I THINK IS, IS A, A, A NICE THING TO DO, UM, ARCHITECTURALLY. SO, YOU KNOW, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT THEIR TESTIMONY. AND I DON'T, IT APPEARS THAT THE LIGHTING IS SIMPLY SCONCES SIMILAR TO WHAT'S THERE NOW. YEAH. UM, THOSE DON'T EVEN REALLY WORK. SO WE NEED TO REPLACE THOSE ANYWAYS. . SO I MEAN, WE WOULD JUST ASK THAT YOU DO A WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE. YES. AND, YOU KNOW, HAVE A, A TAP ON THE TOP SO IT DOESN'T GO VERTICALLY. ABSOLUTELY. TECHNICALLY ON SWITCHES WOULD BE GREAT. UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, YOU KNOW, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS THIS IS A SMALL LOT. UM, YOU SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHEN YOU, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU'RE CONSTRUCTING OUT THERE, IF YOU START COMPACTING THE TREES, THEY MIGHT NOT LIKE THAT TOO MUCH. [00:35:01] SO. YEAH. UM, THEY ACTUALLY PULLED ALL THE TREES FROM OUR FRONT YARD OH, RIGHT BEFORE WE MOVED. YEAH. OKAY. I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN TRYING TO PLANT NEW ONES. UNSUCCESSFULLY, BUT YES. WELL, THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF, UM, OF, UH, OF, UH, WHAT AM I TRYING TO SAY? TREES THAT ARE NATIVE TO THE PINELANDS YES. IN THE ORDINANCE. SO YOU COULD LOOK AT THAT. OKAY, GREAT. YEAH. DID YOU EVER HEAR BACK FROM THE PINELANDS COMMISSION? I SAW THAT THERE WAS A, A LETTER IN THERE MM-HMM . OKAY. UH, NO, I, WE WERE IN TOUCH WITH THEM A BUNCH ABOUT WATER WHEN WE WERE TRYING TO CONNECT TO THE CITY. SO EVERYTHING WENT THROUGH WITH THAT. I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF, UM, OKAY. AND SORRY MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY COMMENT ON THE PROPOSED COLORS FOR THE NO. OKAY. I MEAN, I THINK, YOU KNOW, TO ASK THEM TO DO BRICK, THE WHITE WILL BE FINE. IT'S NOT A, A BIG PROFILE AND I ACTUALLY THINK IT'LL PROVIDE SOME CONTRAST. OKAY. GREAT. I GOT A QUESTION IN REGARDS TO THE FRONT STEP OUT. HOW BIG IS THAT? HOW BIG IS THE LANDING GONNA BE ON THE FRONT? IT'S NOT, UM, IT'S NOT ON YOUR ARCHITECTURAL PLANS DON'T CALL FOR ONE. SO THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION. UH, UH, TYPICALLY WITH A LANDING, YOU WOULDN'T WANT TO PROJECT LESS THAN THREE FEET AND BE AS WIDE AS WHATEVER THE DOOR ASSEMBLY WOULD BE. SO ASSUMING THE DOOR IS, UH, YOU KNOW, A DOOR WITH SIDE LIGHTS, IT WOULD BE PERHAPS SIX FEET WIDE AND PROJECT OUT FROM THE HOUSE, THREE OR FOUR FEET. WOULD THERE BE A STEP THERE? YEAH. UM, BECAUSE ON YOUR, WE DO HAVE A STEP NOW. WE, OUR, OUR MAIN FLOOR IS HIGH ENOUGH ABOVE RIGHT NOW THAT LANDING THAT'S SHOWN ON THE FRONT ELEVATION, UH, IS AT LOOKS LIKE A STEP OR TWO. I THINK IT'S ONE STEP DOWN FROM THE, UH, FROM THE MAIN, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . ABOUT 5, 5, 5 OR SIX INCHES BELOW THE MAIN FLOOR. IF WE WERE WORRIED ABOUT, AND IT'S A LOW STEP, WE WANNA BRING IT UP TO FLOOR LEVEL. I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW IT'S GONNA BE COMING OUT. I SEE. ON THIS SURVEY CONCERN, WE PROBABLY, FOR A FINAL VERSION, WE WOULD PROBABLY WANNA BRING THAT LANDING UP TO FLOOR LEVEL, UH, AND MAKE IT ALL CONSISTENT SO THAT, THAT ACCESSIBILITY SO THAT YOU COULD, SO THAT, SO YOU COULD RAMP A WHEELCHAIR UP TO THAT LANDING, THEN TURN AND GO IN THE DOOR. HAVE TO HAVE TO STEP UP. YEAH. I MEAN I THINK LIKE THIS LEVEL AS POSSIBLE WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE, AND THEN SO DEAL. SO IT WOULD HAVE TO BE A, UH, AGAIN, IT WOULD'VE TO BE LIKE A STEP COMING OFF IF IT, SINCE THE DRIVEWAY IS, YOU KNOW, AS YOU STEP OUT THE FRONT DOOR, YOU'RE IN THE LANDING, THE DRIVEWAY IS OVER THERE. SO PRESUMABLY, YOU KNOW, THE STEP OFF THE LANDING TO GET, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT ONE STEP TAKE WALK TO TAKE THE WALK TO THE DRIVEWAY WOULD BE, WOULD BE ONE STEP ON THE SIDE. MM-HMM . YEAH. LET'S JUST HAVE THE ONE PICTURE THAT WAS SIMILAR TO, IT HAD LIKE FOUR BRICK STEPS. NO, I THINK IT, WE TALKED ABOUT ONE STEP. OUR STEP NOW ALSO IS LIKE A VERY LOW, I THINK THEY DID IT PROBABLY FOR AESTHETICS BECAUSE IT'S LIKE BARELY. OKAY. I THINK IT'S LIKE MAYBE FOUR INCHES, MAYBE. OKAY. JUST CURIOUS. THANK YOU. YEAH, I THINK LIKE ACCESSIBILITY WOULD BE IDEAL. FLAT WOULD BE GREAT. , ESPECIALLY. 'CAUSE WE HAVE PEOPLE IN WHEELCHAIRS. YEAH. SO, I MEAN MM-HMM . WELL ONE TRIES TO STICK WITH, LIKE, YOU TALK ABOUT ACCESSIBILITY, I MEAN, RAMPS ARE ALLOWED TO BE 8%, BUT ONE TRIES TO STICK WITH FIVE. YEAH. SO THAT IT DOESN'T NEED, UH, YOU KNOW, SO YOU DON'T NEED TO GO NUTS WITH HAND RAILS AND SO FORTH. AND, AND THEN, UH, SIMILAR ISSUES WITH THE GRADING TOO. MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, JUST TO MAKE THAT WORK. BUT THOSE ARE THE, YOU KNOW, WE, UH, THAT'S A DIRECTION WE'RE LIKELY TO GO IN. BUT AT THE MOMENT WE WEREN'T REALLY DISCUSSING THAT. WE WERE JUST SAYING, CAN WE DO THIS? CAN WE PROJECT THIS FOYER, THIS FAR OUT INTO THE FRONT YARD PLEASE. YEAH. WE WOULD LOVE TO DO THAT. UH, AND THEN THERE WOULD, THEN THE LESS STEPS, THE BETTER. IT'S GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE. LANDING MIGHT PROJECT FIVE FEET FROM THE HOUSE. GOT IT. THE REVISED A ONE THAT FRONT ELEVATION IS JUST, IT'S INCORRECT. RIGHT. UM, AND I SAID, WELL, THE LANDING RIGHT. LOOKS LIKE THE LANDING STEPS. IT LOOKS LIKE THE LANDING, UH, I'VE, THAT'S NOT THE REVISED FLOOR LINE DRAWN. I'VE GOT, I'VE GOT A LINE DRAWN HERE THAT IMPLIES THE FLOOR LINE, THAT'S MEANT WHERE THE LANDING IS ON THE FLOOR LINE. BUT THE FRONT DOOR IS CLEARLY DRAWN HIGHER THAN THAT. SO OBVIOUSLY THERE'S SOME SORT OF DRAFTING ERROR HERE THAT I APOLOGIZE FOR. CONFUSING EVERYBODY WITH. NO, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE SECOND LEVEL THAT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, OH, SO, OH, IT'S ON YOUR REVISED DRAWING. THIS YES. THIS IS AN OLD DRAWING. YEAH. THIS IS AN OLD DRAWING. AND I STAND CORRECTLY. DO WE HAVE A NEW ONE? WE DO. IS THIS IT HERE? IT IS. THAT FRONT ELEVATION? YEP. ON THE, THAT'S INCORRECT. RIGHT. THERE WE GO. AND UH, WHEN YOU SAY INCORRECT, WHAT DO YOU SAY ON THE, IF YOU LOOK TO THE LEFT OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WAS THE SECOND STORY ABOVE IT. THAT'S WAY BACK BEHIND THERE. THAT EXISTS. THAT IS IT. OH, IT'S ANOTHER [00:40:01] BUILDING. NO, THAT'S THIS BUILDING. THIS BUILDING. OKAY. SOMEBODY CAME, THIS IS ONE OF THOSE BUILDINGS WHERE SOMEBODY PUT ADDITIONS ON THIS. YES. DIFFERENT AREAS. OKAY. OH MY GOD. UH, AND, UH, SO MANY , SO MANY RANDOM ROOMS I TRY DESPERATELY TO AVOID BECAUSE IT WENT, BUT IF YOU SWING AROUND THAT SIDE OF THE HOUSE THAT, NO, THAT'S NOT ANOTHER BUILDING THAT'S PART OF THIS HOUSE. IT'S PART OF THE HOUSE SIDE ELEVATION. YOU'LL SEE THE WAY THAT ROOF GOES UP. AND THEN THIS THING IS ACTUALLY BEYOND THAT. UM, AND IF I CAN SAY MADAM CHAIR, THAT THEY DID COME IN FOR A VARIANCE FOR THAT ADDITION. , I DON'T REMEMBER WHEN, BUT I RECALL IT. OKAY. , I KNOW WHAT THEY DID BECAUSE THEY TOLD US . UM, BUT THAT THEY MADE IT A SECOND FRONT DOOR, UM, WITH LIKE A PORCH. SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF MAKING IT A WHOLE PART OF THE HOUSE AND LITERALLY, IT, IT WOULDN'T EVEN GO PAST THE LINE. IT IS NOW WE'RE JUST MAKING IT PART OF THE HOUSE. PUTTING A WINDOW. CALLING IT A DAY FOR SYMMETRY. FOR SYMMETRY, YES. THANK YOU. SO THAT ACTUALLY IS A, IS ALSO PART OF THE CONVERSATION THAT WE HAD. THAT THAT, THAT THAT PART OF THE DWELLING IS ALSO FORWARD OF THE REQUIRED FRONT YARD. SO. OKAY. BUT AGAIN, IT, IT'S, IT'S AN IMPROVEMENT OVER THE EXISTING FACADE. IT'S LIKE THE WEIRDEST FRONT PORCH . IT WAS PROBABLY FOR LIKE A EN SUITE OR SOME KIND OF, I THINK SO THE WALL STREET, WAS IT DONE BY THE PEOPLE BEFORE YOU? IT WAS, AND THEY, UM, THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY CHILDREN, BUT THEY HAD A TON OF FAMILY THAT WOULD ALWAYS COME AND VISIT. SO THEY BUILT AN EN SUITE AND THEN THEY BUILT SOME, A ROOM UPSTAIRS. AND SO WE HAVE A LOT OF LIKE, ROOMS WITH WALLS. SO LIKE, WE'RE KIND OF JUST, I HAVE A, I HAVE THREE KIDS, SO WE'RE JUST KIND OF MAKE IT A LITTLE MORE, THERE'S A VERY BIG HOUSE THAT'S NOT A COMPOSITION OF ANY KIND. YEAH. WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE, YOU KNOW, SOMEBODY NEEDED MORE FLOOR SPACE AND THEY PUT A BIG BOX OUT BEHIND THE ORIGINAL BOX AND RIGHT THERE WE ARE. UM, THERE'S A LOT OF LIKE WALLS AND DOORS AND, YOU KNOW, SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO MAKE IT A LITTLE BIT MORE FUNCTIONAL, YOU KNOW. OKAY. DOES ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO. DO WE NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? MAKE A, MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. SEEING NO ONE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. I'LL MAKE A, WE GOOD? I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS IS. ONE SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MRS. . AYE. MR. JUDGE TAYLOR. AYE. MR. BRIAN? AYE. MR. CHAIRMAN RECORD. AYE. AND MAD CHAIR ON BOTH. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. CONGRATS. THANK YOU. CONGRATS. GOOD LUCK. THANK YOU SO MUCH. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I APPRECIATE IT. MEETING I WENT TO WITH ONE OF THOSE WHERE THEY WERE LIKE, WE'RE GONNA MAKE OUR DECISION AND SEND YOU A LETTER. A. YOU TOO. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT WAS AN OPTION. DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN PLEASE? MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.