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[1. Convening of Meeting ]
EVENING EVERYONE, AND WELCOME TO THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, 2026 MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING PURSUANT TO THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY POSTED ON THE BULLETIN BOARD IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, AND ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF MEDFORD TOWNSHIP, AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON JANUARY 22ND, 2026.
ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAVING BEEN PROVIDED.
UH, PLEASE STAND FOR THE FLAG.
UNITED STATES THE WHICH STANDS? NO NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE TRIAL.
[5. Correspondence ]
OKAY.UM, SO YOU SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN IN YOUR PACKET AN EMAIL FROM, UH, MS. BALKMAN REGARDING THE APPLICATION FOR 19 ONION TOWN ROAD.
THEY HAVE REQUESTED TO BE CARRIED TO THE OCTOBER 21ST MEETING DUE TO THE AMOUNT OF APPLICATIONS THAT ARE ON FOR TONIGHT.
SO WE NEED A MOTION TO CARRY WITHOUT NOTE, WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
MOTION TO CARRY WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE.
CAN I DO ALL IN FAVOR? I THINK YOU CAN, YOU CAN DO IT BACK.
LET'S JUST BE SPECIFIC THOUGH, WITH BEING ADJOURNED TO A SPECIFIC DATE.
AS LONG AS WE ANNOUNCED THAT, THEN THEY DON'T HAVE TO.
SO THEN THE APPLICATION WILL BE CARRIED TO OCTOBER 21ST WITHOUT HAVING TO FURTHER NOTICE.
SO IF YOU WERE HERE FOR THE KAUFMAN APPLICATION, THAT APPLICATION IS BEING CARRIED TO OCTOBER 21ST.
[6. Minutes – August 19, 2026 Regular Meeting Minutes ]
UH, NEXT IS THE, UH, AUGUST 19TH, 2026.IF NO ONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES, I'LL TAKE A MOTION.
UH, MR. HACKETT, MR. BRIAN AND MADAM CHAIR, I'M MENTION, OKAY.
OH, SO IT'S UNDER THE ROLL CALL.
[8. Applications ]
WE'RE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE APPLICATIONS FOR THE NIGHT.SO THE FIRST APPLICATION IS, UM, ROBERT WAGNER, 53 HAMPSHIRE WAY BLOCK 41 0 1 0 2, LOT 30, SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR EXCEEDING THE LIMITED LINEAR DISTANCE OF THE FOUNDATION WALL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FRONT PORCH.
I JUST NEED TO, UM, SWEAR YOU IN WHEN YOU'RE READY.
YOU KNOW WHAT,
THE APPLICANT'S, UH, SEEKING TO DEVELOP A PORCH ON THE FRONT OF THE RESIDENCE.
PORCHES ARE PERMITTED IN THE VRD ZONE.
UM, THEY'RE LIMITED TO, UH, 45% OF THE FRONT FACADE, OR IN THIS CASE, 18.81 FEET.
THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PUT A PORCH ACROSS THE ENTIRE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THAT WILL IN TURN INCREASE, UH, BUILDING COVERAGE TO, TO, UH, 41.6%, WHICH IS SLIGHTLY OVER THE MAXIMUM OF 40%, UM, AND INCREASE LOT COVERAGE TO 66.69% WHEN 60% IS PERMITTED.
UM, I HAVE THE APPLICANT HERE, UH, WITH ME.
IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND SWEARING IN COUNSEL, WE'LL GET HIM TO DESCRIBE THE, UH, FOR YOU.
ANY OTHER WITNESSES, MR. BY? NO.
CHUCK MEYER SHOULD BE HERE IN A MINUTE NOW.
GIVE YOUR YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS.
YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
SO, BOB, INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND, UM, JUST EXPLAIN THE BOARD, HOW LONG YOU'VE LIVED AT THIS HOUSE AND, AND WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING TO DO HERE.
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SO, MY NAME IS BOB WAGNER.MY WIFE IS MICHELLE, RIGHT OVER HERE.
WE BOUGHT THIS HOUSE A LITTLE OVER TWO YEARS AGO IN MEDFORD.
WE LIVE IN HATFIELD FOR 25 YEARS.
UH, WE ALSO HAVE BUSINESSES IN TOWN, AND WE, MAJORITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, ESPECIALLY IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC WHERE WE TOOK PICTURES HERE, HAVE FRONT PORCHES ON THERE, AND I GET, WE GET BEAT BY THE SUN.
SO WE HAD A FRONT PORCH ON OUR HATFIELD HOUSE FOR YEARS, AND NOW WE WANT TO PUT A FRONT PORCH, AN OPEN AIR FRONT PORCH ON THIS HOUSE IN MEDFORD TO MATCH ALL THE OTHER, I DON'T 90% OF THE OTHER HOUSES THAT HAVE IT IN THE DEVELOPMENT.
IT'S A BOBMEYER COMMUNITY, AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S A LITTLE QUAINT.
COMMUNITY COMMUNITY'S GREAT, BUT THE FRONT PORCH IS, EVERYBODY'S ON THE FRONT PORCH.
NOBODY'S ON BACK DECKS ANYMORE.
EVERYBODY COMES OUT AND HANGS OUT AND SOCIALIZES, LIKE THERE'S A BLOCK PARTY NEXT WEEKEND IN OUR CUL-DE-SAC.
SO IT'S JUST A REALLY QUAINT COMMUNITY, AND WE WANT TO CONTINUE BEING UP FRONT WITH EVERYBODY.
SO WE WANNA PUT A FRONT PORCH ON.
SO IT'S LIKE A COMMUNITY BENEFIT TO OH YEAH.
ON THE FRONT PORCH, PEOPLE COME OVER TO YOURS.
UM, WE SUBMITTED, YOU SUBMITTED A LETTER FROM THE HOA PRESIDENT.
UM, YOU HAVE HOA APPROVAL FOR THIS? I HAVE HOA APPROVAL.
CHUCK MEYER, AND THE, THE OTHER THREE BOARD MEMBERS APPROVED IT.
I THOUGHT CHUCK WAS GONNA BE HERE.
HE, HE PRO HE HAS YOUNG CHILDREN, SO HE MIGHT NOT, HE MIGHT HAVE SPORTS TO DO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, BUT, BUT YES, IT'S BEEN APPROVED AND I SENT A LETTER WITH ALL THE PAPERWORK FROM THE HOA IN WITH MY APPLICATION.
AND YOU HAVEN'T HEARD ANY CONCERNS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT, UM, THIS PORCH? NOBODY SAID TO YOU, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO DO THIS.
ALL MY NEIGHBORS WANT ME TO DO IT, ACTUALLY.
SO, SO, UM, YOU TOOK SOME PICTURES, RIGHT, OF SOME OTHER HOMES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, AND SOME OF THEM, AS YOU'VE SAID, HAVE FRONT PORCHES AND SOME OF THEM DON'T.
IS THIS IN THE APPLICATION, COUNSEL? SO WE'LL HAVE TO MARK THESE, LET'S MARK THESE A ONE, THE WHOLE COLLECTION.
SO ROBERT, IF YOU COULD JUST EXPLAIN, UM, WHAT, SO WHAT, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW IS, THIS IS IN OUR IMMEDIATE CUL-DE-SAC.
SO I LIVE IN THE BACK OF THE DEVELOPMENT.
SO WHEN YOU PULL IN OFF OF MAIN STREET, YOU KNOW WHERE, WHERE THE, UH, ELEMENTARY SCHOOL IS? THAT'S THE FIRST.
THERE'S ONE, A FIRST, UH, CUL-DE-SAC, THEN THE BIG CUL-DE-SAC.
AND THEN WE'RE ALL THE WAY IN THE BACK.
THESE ARE JUST THE ONES THAT ARE JUST AROUND MY HOUSE, UH, IN OUR IMMEDIATE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE ONES THAT WE HAD TO SEND, UM, THE CERTIFIED MAIL LENDERS TO.
AND THESE ARE THE PORCHES THAT ALREADY EXIST OR THEY'VE PUT ON IN THE LAST COUPLE YEARS.
AND ALL WE WANT TO DO IS JUST PUT A FRONT PORCH ON THE HOUSE.
UM, SO WHAT, WHAT'S, WHO, WHO OWNS THE HOUSE IN THE FIRST PICTURE? OH, GEEZ.
I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT, WHAT ACTUALLY, I, I, I KNOW HIS PARENTS.
I DON'T KNOW HIS NAME THOUGH, BUT I KNOW HIS PARENTS.
BUT THERE'S A FRONT PORCH ON THAT HOUSE.
SO WHAT ARE WE LOOKING AT IN THE SECOND PICTURE? THE SECOND HOUSE WAS TWO PORCHES.
THEY JUST, THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, THEY JUST PUT OUT ABOUT, UH, A YEAR AND A HALF AGO.
UH, THE ONE ON THE LEFT HAS BEEN ON FOR A COUPLE YEARS, BUT THE ONE ON THE RIGHT, SHE'S, UH, THE ONE BESIDE THAT.
I MEAN IT, THEY JUST PUT THAT ONE ON NO PORCH ON THE ONE BESIDE THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
THERE'S NO PORCH, THE ONE BESIDE THAT.
BUT THAT'S KIND OF OUT OF THE CUL-DE-SAC.
UM, AND NEXT PICTURE, NEXT PICTURE'S IN THE CUL-DE-SAC AND HAS A FULL FRONT PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS.
AND THIS IS MY NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR'S HOUSE.
UM, HE HAS A PORCH ALL THE WAY ACROSS, UM, THE YELLOW HOUSE.
AND THE NEXT ONE'S MY HOUSE THAT HAS NO PORCH.
UM, SO HOPEFULLY SOON WE'LL HAVE A PORCH.
AND THEN THIS IS THE DRAWING OF WHAT, UH, THE ARCHITECT DESIGNED TO PUT THE FRONT PORCH ON THE HOUSE WITH THAT FAKE, I, I CALL IT A, A DESIGNER FENCE ON THE TOP OF THE ROOF THERE BELOW THAT ONE WINDOW IN THE DORMER RIGHT THERE.
AND, UH, JUST TO ADD AESTHETICS TO THE HOUSE, UM, MY ARCHITECT IS MIKE PTA.
HE, UH, HE'S, HE'S PRETTY GOOD.
SO, BUT, AND SO, UM, THE HOA LETTER DIRECTED AND YOU AGREE THAT THE PORCH WILL MATCH THE MATERIALS IN THE HOUSE, SIDING THE ROOF, EVERYTHING.
UM, YOU SAW IN, UH, MR. TAYLOR'S LETTER THAT YOU, UM, ARE GONNA STATE ON THE RECORD HERE THAT YOU DO NOT INTEND AND YOU WILL NOT ENCLOSE THIS PORCH FOR LIVING SPACE.
THE PORCH WILL NOT BE ENCLOSED FOR LIVING SPACE.
UM, WE'RE NOT ENCROACHING INTO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
I HAVE PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THE FRONT SIDEWALKS.
SO IT'S JUST THE THREE BEARINGS THAT WE'VE I, THAT I IDENTIFIED
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IN THE TOP.ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. WANER? UM, SO YOU TOUCHED ON THE, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE.
THE COLORS, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE COMPLIMENTARY.
UM, ABOUT THE LIGHTING, UH, I'M SORRY, THE LIGHTING.
LIGHTING, THERE'LL BE LIKE JUST YOUR REGULAR, YOU KNOW, FRONT PORCH LIGHTING AND A COUPLE OVERHEADS, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH, YOU KNOW, UNDERNEATH WILL BE A COUPLE OVERHEADS WITH DINNING DOWN RECORDING.
ARE THEY GONNA BE ON ANY TIMERS OR SENSORS? NO, IT'LL ALL BE MANUAL.
UM, AND MS. TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD, BUT I DO HAVE A QUESTION ON THE NUMBER FIVE ON YOUR COMMENTS REGARDING, YES, THE, UM, FENCE THAT ENCROACHES ONTO THE HOA PROPERTY.
IT'S NOT NECESSARILY FOR THE BOARD TO OPINE UPON.
IT JUST, IT'S, IT'S ON THE, IT'S NOT ON HI, THE PROPERTY OWNER'S LAND.
SO IT SHOULD, SHOULD BE MANAGED.
IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN MANAGED WHEN IT WAS ERECTED.
SO, BUT NOTHING FOR, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THEY WOULD NEED TO PUT ANYTHING IN THE RESOLUTION.
DO YOU THINK THEY DO? NO, I DON'T THINK SO.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I THINK IT LOOKS REALLY NICE.
QUICK, QUICK WORD ABOUT THE VARIANCES.
UM, WHEN YOU'RE, WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UM, THE, THESE WE THINK ARE SEAT TREE VARIANCES.
WHEN YOU'RE DEALING WITH A, A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, YOU, YOU CAN'T IDENTIFY THE SAME SORT OF BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU CAN, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH, UM, A, A A SETBACK VARIANCE, FOR EXAMPLE, YOU'D NEED FOR AN A DA ENTRANCE TO A SCHOOL OR TO A SHOP OR TO KNOW, KNOW, CLEARLY THERE'S BENEFITS TO THE COMMUNITY HERE.
UH, BUT THE TEST FOR THE C TWO VARIANCE IS JUST THAT YOU HAVE TO OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENTS.
AND HERE YOU'VE HEARD THERE'S A COMMUNITY BENEFIT BECAUSE THERE'S A SENSE OF C HERE THAT REALLY TAKES PLACE ON FRONT PORCHES.
SO THAT'S A BENEFIT TO THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY.
AND THEN THERE'S A BENEFIT OF AESTHETICS.
I THINK JUST LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, THIS HOUSE WILL LOOK A LOT BETTER WITH THE PORCH THAN IT LOOKS WITHOUT IT, WHICH IS AGAIN, UM, A SMALL BENEFIT TO THE COMMUNITY, BUT A BENEFIT NONETHELESS.
UM, TURNING TO THE DETRIMENTS, WE REALLY DON'T THINK THAT THERE ARE ANY, SO UNLESS ANY ARE IDENTIFIED OR IDENTIFIABLE, WE THINK THAT WE MEET THE TEST HERE.
IF NO ONE FROM THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS, IF YOU CAN JUST STEP TO THE SIDE AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC FOR COMMENT AND A MOTION PLEASE.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO.
SEEING NONE CAN MOTION TO CLOSE.
I I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.
IF SOMEONE WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION, MOTION TO APPROVE.
1 24 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, EAST BLOCK 49 0 2 LOT ONE 30.
SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR EXCEEDING THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN INGROUND SWIMMING POOL.
BILL TALBOT AND C MORNING REALLY QUICK.
YEAH, WELL YOU WERE JUST IDENTIFYING YOURSELF.
WILL YOU BOTH BE TESTIFYING? UM, YEAH, I'M HERE TO HELP.
UH, DO, UH, EACH OF YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, WE DO.
UM, WE'RE COMING TO THE SEEK, UH, UM, A VARIANCE ON OUR, UH, LOCK COVERAGE.
WE'RE PUTTING IN A SWING POOL AND, UH, OUR UNIQUE LOCK CONDITIONS, THE NO REASONABLE LOCATION FOR THE, FOR THE CONFORMING POOL.
SO THE MINERAL RELIEF IS REQUESTED.
UM, WE'RE GOING FROM 34 TO 30% LOT COVERAGE.
AND, UM, IT'S THE SMALLEST DEVIATION THAT WE CAN DO TO ACCOMMODATE THE POOL.
UM, THERE'S NO DETRIMENT TO THE NEIGHBORS AND IT'S CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD NOW.
UM, SO I GUYS, I'M SURE YOU'VE LOOKED TO
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THE PACKAGE, SO IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON WHAT WE'RE SEEKING OR WHAT WE NEED TO DO, UH, WE'RE UP INTO IT.DO YOU HAVE TO REMOVE ANY TREES? WE ARE GONNA TAKE TWO TREES DOWN AND WE'RE GONNA REPLACE THE TWO TREES IN A DIFFERENT SPOT.
AND YOU'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE PLANNER ON OUR CONTRACTOR IS HERE.
UM, OKAY, SO WE'RE MOVING TO REPLANTING.
HOW ABOUT, UH, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LIGHTING ASSOCIATED WITH THE POOL? NO.
JUST IN, IN THE POOL ITSELF? YEAH.
IS THERE GONNA BE ANYTHING ELSE AROUND THE POOL? LIKE A STORAGE, LIKE ANY TYPE OF, I GUESS THE POOL EQUIPMENT.
THE POOL EQUIPMENT TOGETHER ON THE SIDE OF THE HOUSE? YEAH.
AND, UH, FENCE ALONG THE SIDES.
THE, THE WOULD REQUIRED FENCING AROUND THE POOL.
SORRY, IS THERE A FENCE AROUND THE YARD? THERE IS NOW.
SO THEN YOU'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A FENCE AROUND THE POOL? NO, WE ONLY HAVE THE FENCE ACROSS THE FRONT OF OUR HOUSE RIGHT NOW.
AND WE WOULD HAVE TO PUT IT DOWN THE SIDES AS WELL.
WE HAVE A ROT, OUR BLACK OPEN FENCE, WHICH IS WHAT WE WOULD HAVE TO SEE.
SO YOU, SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A FENCE LIKE AROUND YOUR ENTIRE YARD? NOT AROUND THE POOL.
UM, PROBABLY JUST DOWN THE SIDES.
'CAUSE I THINK ON THE LAKE WE DON'T NEED TO HAVE IT STRAIGHT DOWN THE SIDES.
THERE IS ONE ALREADY ON THE LEFT SIDE.
WE WOULD ONLY BE ADDING ONE TO THE RIGHT SIDE TO THE SIDE IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT A LINK.
DOES ANYONE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? SO IS THERE ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING ON THE HOUSE TO ILLUMINATE THE POOL AREA? NOT, NO.
KEEP IT DARK
WE DO HAVE LIGHTS NOW, BUT, BUT WE'RE NOT NO ADDITIONAL TO ADD NOTHING ADDITIONAL? NO.
THE LIGHTING IN THE POOL ITSELF, BUT IS THAT, UH, BOTH LIGHTS? I'M SORRY? THE LIGHTING IN THE POOL ITSELF, IT'S JUST GONNA BE UNDER THE WATER.
UM, UH, I'M GOING TO TURN IT OVER TO OUR PROFESSIONALS FOR THEIR COMMENTS.
UM, WE PUT SOME COMMENTS IN REGARDING, UH, THE REAR WETLANDS AND WE ALSO INDICATED THAT, UM, THERE SHOULD BE A SOIL EROSION AND S CONTROL FENCE.
PROVIDED, UM, AROUND THE LI IN A DISTURBANCE JUST TO LIMIT, UM, IMPACTS TO THE LAKE.
UM, TYPICALLY, UH, YOU KNOW, IN BIRCHWOOD DUE TO THE, THIS, THE SETTING AND THE LOCATION OF THE DWELLINGS, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO ACCOMMODATE THAT 50 FOOT BUFFER, UM, AND PUT IN A, A POOL OR THINGS LIKE THIS.
SO DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING YOU WANNA TALK ABOUT THAT? YES, SO, SO IN THE PINELANDS, THE, A LAKE IS CONSIDERED WETLANDS EVEN THOUGH OUT OF THE PINELANDS IT'S NOT CONSIDERED WETLANDS.
BUT IN THE PINELANDS IT'S SO, UH, THE PINELANDS WILL ALLOW AN EXISTING DEVELOPMENTS, UM, THAT WERE PRE PINELANDS, THAT IF YOU DON'T PUT ANYTHING CLOSER TO THE WETLAND SLASH LAKE THAN EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS, THEN YOU'RE OKAY.
SO THE PATIO IS OBVIOUSLY CLOSER TO THE LAKE THAN THE POOL IS.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH RAINING THE WAVE.
DOES THAT NEED TO BE INCLUDED IN THE MOTION? IT SHOULD BE A WAIVER SHOULD BE GRANTED.
BOARD MEMBERS, I THINK ADDRESS CORRESPONDENCE.
YOU WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC PLEASE.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO.
SEE, NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS.
SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY PLACE THAT THEY CAN PUT THE POOL.
UM, NO ONE HAS ANY, ANYTHING ELSE? I CAN TAKE A MOTION.
MOTION TO APPROVE IN GRANT WAIVER.
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THANK YOU.21 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 8, LOT 58 SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR EXCEEDING THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE EXISTING IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL AND DRIVEWAY.
GOOD EVENING, YOU ARE? MY NAME IS DOROTHY LEWIS.
UM, I LIVE AT 21 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST IN BIRCHWOOD LAKES, MEDFORD.
AND YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? I DO.
I FIND IT'S A LITTLE EASIER FOR ME TO READ, SO.
UM, GOOD EVENING CHAIRMAN MEMBERS AND BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS DOROTHY LEWIS AND I DO LIVE AT 21 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST IN BIRCHWOOD LAKES.
I WOULD LIKE TO BEGIN BY THANKING ALL OF YOU, UH, THE BOARD OF SECRETARY, EVERYONE WHO'S HELPED ME, MRS. TAYLOR.
UM, TO GET WHERE I AM THIS EVENING, AS REQUIRED BY THE MUNICIPAL LAW LAND USE LAW, I HAVE SUCCESSFULLY NOTIFIED ALL NE ALL NEIGHBORS ON THE OFFICIAL 200 LIST VIA CERTIFIED MAIL.
ADDITIONALLY, I HAVE PLACED THE PUBLIC NOTICE AD IN THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES.
I HAVE SUBMITTED THE CERTIFIED MAIL RECEIPTS AND THE AFFIDAVIT OF PUBLICATION TO THE SECRETARY TO PROVE COMPLETION OF THIS PROCESS, MY HUSBAND PAT AND I PURCHASED OUR HOME IN 2012.
I'M ALSO A LONG TIME RESIDENT OF THE MEDFORD AREA AND HAVE GROWN UP HERE IN THE LAKES COMMUNITY IN BIRCHWOOD.
UM, THE SITUATION HAS BEEN VERY, VERY DIFFICULT FOR ME AND A LENGTHY PROCESS FOR ME AND MY FAMILY.
IN APRIL OF THIS PAST YEAR, MY HUSBAND ACCEPTED A JOB IN DALLAS, UH, TEXAS.
SO WE IMMEDIATELY PUT OUR HOUSE ON THE MARKET AND SOLD IT IN TWO DAYS, OR WENT UNDER CONTRACT IN TWO DAYS.
MY HUSBAND BEGAN HIS JOB ON JUNE 1ST AND HAS BEEN LIVING IN TEXAS SINCE THE END OF MAY WHILE I AM HERE REMAINING IN NEW JERSEY TO HANDLE EVERYTHING INVOLVED IN THE SALE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY WHAT WE THOUGHT WOULD BE A STRAIGHT FORTH FORWARD SALE BECAME MUCH MORE COMPLICATED.
THE ORIGINAL BUYERS LOVED OUR HOME, SO THEY DID ASK US IF WE HAD PERMITS FOR THE POOL AND THEY WERE REQUIRED FOR A RENOVATION OF A POOL.
WE WENT TO THE TOWNSHIP TO INQUIRE ABOUT THE PERMIT OF THE POOL, AND IT WAS RENOVATED 12 YEARS AGO, WHICH IS IMPORTANT TO KNOW, AND WE WERE TOLD THERE WAS NO PERMIT.
WE WERE ALSO TOLD THAT WE WOULD NEED TO ALSO GET A VARIANCE, UM, WHICH IS BASICALLY WHY I'M HERE TODAY.
CURRENTLY, I HAVE A NEW BUYER WAITING FOR THE APPROVAL OF THIS VARIANCE TO ALLOW THE POOL PERMITS TO BE ISSUED, AND SO I CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SALE OF OUR HOME AND GO TO TEXAS.
I DID RECEIVE, UH, AND REVIEWED MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER AND WOULD LIKE TO RESPOND TO OUR COMMENTS, IF THAT'S OKAY.
I WOULD FIRST LIKE TO POINT OUT THAT THE RENOVATION OF THE POOL RESULTED IN APPROXIMATELY 500 SQUARE FEET LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE.
I DID PRINT FOR EVERYBODY, UM, THE OLD SURVEY BEFORE THE NEW ONE THAT YOU GOT.
AND IT DOES BASICALLY SHOW THE DIFFERENCE IN THE 500 SQUARE FOOTAGE IF YOU WOULD LIKE A COPY.
THEY'RE NOT, THIS IS NOT IN YOUR APPLICATION.
NUMBER ONE, I BELIEVE THIS APPLICATION WILL NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC OR THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD.
NUMBER TWO, I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO CLARIFY THAT MY HUSBAND AND I DID NOT CREATE ANY OF THESE OR EXPAND ANY OF THESE NONCONFORMITIES.
THEY WERE PRESENTLY HERE BEFORE WHEN I PURCHASED THE HOUSE LIGHTING.
I AGREE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
THE LIGHTS ARE DOWNWARD FACING.
THEY ARE ON MOTION SENSORS AND HAVE FULL CUTOFF SWITCHES.
NUMBER FOUR, THE WETLANDS TO MY BEST UNDERSTANDING, THERE IS NO IMPACT TO THE WETLANDS FROM THESE CONDITIONS.
THERE'S ALSO A SWALE BEHIND OUR
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PROPERTY THAT CARRIES WATER AWAY FROM THE HOUSE NUMBER FIVE AND SIX.THE KITCHEN AREA, THE KITCHEN AREA INCLUDED THE STOVE AND THE SINK LOCATED TOWARDS THE FRONT LEFT SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS ALREADY PRESENT WHEN WE PURCHASED THE HOUSE IN 2012.
WE HAVE ALREADY REMOVED THE KITCHEN BASED ON MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER.
ADDITIONALLY, MY SON WAS USING THE SMALL KITCHEN AND WE HAD NO PLANS TO MAKE THIS A MULTIFAMILY HOME.
THIS CONCLUDES ALL OF MS. TAYLOR'S COMMENTS.
I SINCERELY ASK FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION AND APPROVAL OF MY VARIANCES SO THAT I CAN FINALLY BRING THIS LONG PROCESS TO A CLOSE BEING SEPARATED FROM MY HUSBAND FOR THE PAST FOUR MONTHS WHILE TRYING TO MANAGE THIS PROCESS.
UM, YEAH, JUST TO START FROM THE BEGINNING.
SO DID YOU SAY THE THE ORIGINAL POOL WAS PUT IN 12 YEARS AGO OR THE RENOVATION TO THE POOL? 12.
HE, UM, HANDLED THE RENOVATION FOR ME.
SO WHEN WAS THE, WAS THE POOL THERE BEFORE YOU MOVED IN? IT WAS.
AND THEN 12 YEARS AGO WHEN YOU WERE LIVING THERE, IT WAS RENOVATED? IT IT, YES.
AND DID YOU SAY THAT THE, THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THIS POOL IS LESS YES.
THAN THE MM-HMM
AND I DON'T KNOW, I WAS LOOKING AT MS. TAYLOR'S COMMENTS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU SAID IF YOU TESTIFIED THAT THIS IS A SINGLE FAMILY.
MS. TAYLOR, I'LL GO TO YOU FIRST FOR COMMENTS, PLEASE.
UM, YES, THE INCREASE IN THE COVERAGE IS DUE TO, UM, LOT COVERAGE INCLUDING THE POOL SURROUND AND ROCKS AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
SO THERE, THERE WAS WORK DONE.
UM, THERE'S NO RECORD OF THE WORK THAT WAS DONE, UM, FOR THE NEW POLL 12 YEARS AGO.
UM, SO, UH, THIS LOT HAS A LOT OF COVERAGE.
MR. NOEL WAS CERTAINLY, UM, YOU KNOW, HE AND I SPOKE ABOUT IT IN THE STAFF MEETING.
I'M SURE YOU'LL HAVE A COMMENT.
UM, IT IS 64%, BUT IT DOES BACK UP TO AN OPEN SPACE.
UM, AND WITH RESPECT TO, UM, THE ACCESSORY UNIT, THIS BOARD IN THE PAST HAS REVIEWED THIS PROPERTY.
THERE WAS AN, A MOTHER-IN-LAW SUITE OR A FAMILY SUITE THAT HAD A BATHROOM AND A BEDROOM.
UM, AND THEN IT CAME BACK TO THIS BOARD AT A LATER DATE AND IT WAS REQUESTED TO BE AN APARTMENT AND THAT WAS DENIED.
SO THAT'S WHY WE MADE THE RECOMMENDATION THAT THE KITCHEN BE REMOVED SO THAT IT CANNOT BE TWO UNITS ON THIS VERY UNDERSIZED LOT.
UM, IF THERE WAS AN ACCESSORY DWELLING UNIT ON THIS LOT, THEY WOULD BE REQUIRED TO GET PINELANDS DEVELOPMENT CREDITS.
AND, UM, IN ANY EVENT, IT'S ALREADY BEEN RULED UPON ONCE BY THIS BOARD.
SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED IT TO BE REMOVED.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL ALL WE HAVE.
UM, UNLESS MR NO HAS MORE COMMENTS REGARDING THE, UH, WETLANDS BUFFER, UM, SIMILAR TO THE, UH, PREVIOUS APPLICATION.
THIS IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT THOUGH.
UM, THE WETLANDS IS, THERE'S OPEN SPACE TO THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY AND IT'S, UH, WETLANDS, BUT AGAIN, THE POOL IS NO CLOSER TO THAT WETLANDS IN THE EXISTING TWO STORY GARAGE.
SO A WAIVER WOULD BE IN ORDER FOR THAT.
UH, AS FAR AS THE LOT COVERAGE, IT'S, IT IS HIGH, BUT UH, A PORTION OF THAT IS STONE, WHICH IS IMPERVIOUS.
SO IT COUNTS AS LOT COVERAGE, BUT IT'S NOT IMPERVIOUS.
AND THE POOL OBVIOUSLY WILL HOLD CERTAIN AMOUNT OF WATER TOO.
SO, AND I LOOKED AT THE GRADING PLAN.
NORMALLY WE WOULD, BEFORE A POOL IS PUT IN, YOU NEED TO SUBMIT A GRADING PLAN TO TOWN FOR APPROVAL.
AND I'M LOOKING AT THE GRADES AND IT ALL GRADES BACK TO THE REAR.
AND I DON'T THINK YOU HAVE ANY DRAINAGE ISSUES THERE AT THIS POINT.
THEN THERE'S THE SWALE BEHIND IT TOO.
SO I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUE WITH THE, THE POOL BEING THERE.
SO YOU'RE OKAY WITH THE WAIVER? YES.
DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? NO.
IF YOU JUST WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC PLEASE.
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MOTION TO OPEN TO PUBLIC SECOND.UM, AND I'VE BEEN A RESIDENT IN 19 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST FOR THE PAST 26 YEARS.
MA'AM, YOU'LL NEED TO BE SWORN AS WELL.
BEFORE YOU GET ROLLING HERE, UM, THIS WAY, THE TESTIMONY TO GIVE THE BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH ENOUGH BUT THE TRUTH.
I'M NOT GONNA REPEAT WHAT I JUST SAID.
IS THAT ALL RIGHT? DO NOT OKAY.
SO, FOR THE PAST 14 OF THESE YEARS, UM, DOROTHY AND PAT LEWIS HAVE BEEN MY WONDERFUL NEXT DOOR NEIGHBORS.
I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SUPPORT THEM AS THEY WORK TO RESOLVE, UM, THEIR VARIANCE SO THEY CAN MOVE FORWARD WITH THE SETTLEMENT OF THEIR HOME AT 21 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST.
UM, THE ISSUES BEFORE THE BOARD HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO IMPACT UPON ME NOR MY PROPERTY.
I HAVE EVERY CONFIDENCE THAT LEWIS'S WILL OR, AND OR HAVE ADDRESSED THE BOARD'S CONCERNS PRO PROPERLY AND APPROPRIATELY.
AND I RESPECTIVELY ASK FOR THIS BOARD'S, UM, FOR APPROVAL OF THEIR REQUEST TO ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD.
I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO MAKE A MOTION.
IS EVERYONE GOOD? OH WAIT, WE HAVE ANOTHER ONE.
STRATFORD CIRCLE ROAD BLOCK 51 0 6, LOT 27 SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN INGROUND SWIMMING POOL.
OH FIVE STRATFORD CIRCLE ROAD.
MR. FRILL, YOU TEST, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
WHEN WE, WHEN WE STARTED PLANTING THE POOL, WE UNDERSTOOD THAT THE REAR SETBACK TO BE 15 FEET.
WE LEARNED LATER THAT BECAUSE OUR LOT IS APPROXIMATELY 1.1 ACRES, THE REQUIRED SETBACK IS 50 FEET.
AND GIVEN THE EXISTING LOCATION OF OUR HOUSE, THERE REALLY ISN'T A PRACTICAL LOCATION FOR THE POOL THAT MEETS THAT SETBACK.
WE CHOSE THIS LOCATION 'CAUSE WE BELIEVE IT HAS THE LEAST IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES AND THE RECREATIONAL AREA BEHIND US.
AND WILL PART WILL, WILL PROTECT THE EXISTING TREES DURING CONSTRUCTION WITH FENCING AROUND THEIR DRIP LINES.
WE ALSO WILL ADD NATIVE EVERGREEN TREES TO SCREEN THE PROJECT, UH, CONSISTENT WITH THE TOWNSHIP'S PLANS FOR, I'M SORRY, TOWNSHIP'S PLANT REQUIREMENTS TO FURTHER SCREEN THE POOL FROM THE PARK.
AND WE'RE NOT ADDING ANY EXTERIOR LIGHTING.
THE ONLY NEW LIGHTING WILL BE UNDERWATER POOL LIGHTS.
MS. TAYLOR, I'M JUST GONNA PASS IT OVER TO YOU.
I, I THINK, UM, IF THE BOARD WOULD LOOK AT THE, THE POOL BRANDING PLAN AS SOMEWHAT INFORMATIVE.
UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE LOCATION OF THE POOL, THE REAR YARD, UM, BEHIND A POOL IS AN OPEN SPACE IN DEVELOPMENT.
UM, IN ORDER TO PUT THE POOL IN A MORE CONFORMING LOCATION, THEY HAVE TO SORT OF GO BEYOND THE SEPARATE FIELD.
AND I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT MAKES A, A LOT OF SENSE FROM A PROBABILITY STANDPOINT.
UM, AND, AND BECAUSE THE ARE REGULARLY SHAPED, I'M CERTAIN THAT, UM, YOU CERTAINLY CAN PUT IT THE HOUSE IN THE EITHER, SO, UM, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF, UM, OPPORTUNITY FOR THIS PARTICULAR GOAL.
AND UNLESS SOMEBODY IN THE PUBLIC HAS A REAL CONCERN AND THEY'RE NOT CONCERNED ABOUT SPACE, I, THERE'S A, OKAY.
DID YOU SAY ANY, DID YOU MENTION ANYTHING ABOUT TREES? NO.
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A BUNCH OF NEW TREES IN, SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO PUT A TON OF TREES IN PUT.AND YOU DID COMMENT ON THE LIGHTING.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I'M COVERING EVERYTHING.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, CONCERNS? NO.
IF YOU JUST WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE, WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC PLEASE.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, SEEING NONE.
IF ANYONE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE TO SAY, WELL, BEFORE I, BEFORE WE MAKE THAT MOTION, JUST LET THE RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. RICKARDS JUST JOINED US AT 7 0 9.
1 48 OLD MARLTON PIKE BLOCK 9 0 6 0 2 LOT 21.
SEEKING AN APPROVAL FOR A USE VARIANCE MINOR SUBDIVISION, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN WITH BULK VARIANCES TO CONSTRUCT A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING TO BE USED AS A DROP OFF LOCATION AND STORAGE FACILITY.
HI, UH, MY NAME IS CHRIS NORMAN.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE LAW FIRM OF, UH, THE PLAT LAW GROUP.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, GOODWILL THIS EVENING ON THIS APPLICATION WHERE WE'RE SEEKING, UH, MINOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMING USE APPROVAL, UH, UH, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
UM, AND FIRST I WANT TO SAY MR. RICKARD'S, TIMING IS PERFECT 'CAUSE I KNOW IT'S, UH, SEVEN MEMBERS, AND THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT FOR, FOR A D VARIANCE.
UM, THIS SITE IS AT, UH, 1 48 HARTFORD ROAD FOR OLD OLD MARTON PIKE.
IT'S AT THE INTERSECTION, IT'S THE EXISTING GOODWILL DONATION DROP-OFF CENTER.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF SHAPED LIKE A TRIANGLE, WHICH IS A, MAKES IT VERY DIFFICULT TO PLAN FOR THE SITE.
NOW BY WAY OF HISTORY, UH, THIS APPLICATION WAS BEFORE THIS BOARD IN 2022.
UM, AND THE OWNER AT THE TIME, UH, UH, UH, MADE AN APPLICATION FOR THE USE VARIANCE AND THE MONITOR SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
AND THE BOARD GRANTED THE USE VARIANCE APPROVAL, BUT SUBJECT TO A LATER APPLICATION FOR THE SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
IT HAD MUCH TO DO WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THE LOOK AND DESIGN AND AESTHETICS, AND THAT'S WHY THE SITE PLAN WAS PUT OFF.
BUT, BUT THE USE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED FOR VERY, ALMOST NEARLY IDENTICAL USE VARIANTS WE'RE SEEKING TODAY.
THE ONLY DISTINCTION BETWEEN THE 2022 AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION WAS THERE WAS GONNA BE A, AN ADDITION BUILT ON TO THE EXISTING GAS STATION THAT WAS GONNA GO FROM APPROXIMATELY 1200 SQUARE FEET.
AND THE ADDITION WAS 1800 SQUARE FEET.
SO IT WAS GONNA BE ABOUT 30, ROUGHLY 31, 3200 SQUARE FEET.
AND, UH, WITH THE NEW PROPOSAL, UH, BY GOODWILL, WHO'S NOW THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER AT THIS TIME, THE PROPOSAL IS TO DEMOLISH THE OLD GAS STATION AND BUILD A NICE, NICER BUILDING THAT'S GONNA FIT BETTER WITH THE SITE.
UM, HERE, HERE ARE THE BENEFITS OF THIS APPLICATION.
WHEN THIS SITE WAS APPROVED, THERE'S, BELIEVE IT OR NOT, THERE'S ONLY ABOUT 800 SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE IN THE BUILDING AS, AS IT EXISTS TODAY.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING IT'LL HAVE 2,800 OF STOR SQUARE FEET OF STORAGE.
UH, A LOT OF THE STORAGE YOU SEE TODAY IS UNSIGHTLY BECAUSE IT'S OUTSIDE.
AND THE REASON THAT HAPPENED IS THIS IS WHEN THIS USE VARIANCE WAS GRANTED IN 2009, NO ONE KNEW AT THAT TIME THAT THIS GOODWILL DONATION DROPOFF WOULD BE THE MOST SUCCESSFUL DONATION DROPOFF CENTER IN NEW JERSEY.
IT'S, IT'S, IT'S REALLY THE UNICORN OF NEW JERSEY.
UH, AND IT'S A, IT'S AN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S,
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UH, I THINK THE RESIDENTS OF MEDFORD AND THE AREAS SHOULD BE CONGRATULATED BECAUSE THEY'RE, THEY'RE DONATING STUFF AND, AND, AND THAT THAT'S SOMETHING WE SHOULD ENCOURAGE.UM, SO THE, THE ONE BENEFIT IS, IS THE, THE, THE OUTDOOR STORAGE WILL GO AWAY.
UM, AND IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, THIS GOODWILL HAS OPENED A SECOND SITE ON TOMLINSON MILL ROAD ON THE OTHER SIDE OF MEDFORD.
AND HOPEFULLY THAT'S GONNA BE A SPIGOT AND THAT WILL ALSO RELIEVE SOME OF THE DONATION DROP-OFFS AT THIS, THIS LOCATION.
IT WOULD ALSO BE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE DURING THE PROCESS OF CONSTRUCTION WHERE YOU, YOU WOULD DEMOLISH THIS BUILDING, GOODWILL NEEDS A, A SITE IN MEDFORD TO OPERATE, AND THERE'LL BE THE SITE AT TOMLINSON MILL ROAD.
AND THAT, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT MAKES SENSE FROM A STAGING PERSPECTIVE.
SO, SO MORE INDOOR STORAGE, WHICH I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT GOODWILL WANTS.
AND IT'S VERY COMMON FOR GOODWILLS TO HAVE 3000 SQUARE FEET BUILDINGS.
I BELIEVE THERE'S, UH, I BELIEVE IT'S IN, UH, UH, CINNAMONS AND, AND ANOTHER LOCATION.
THERE'S, THEY'VE, THEY'VE, UH, UH, DEVELOPED 3000 SQUARE FOOT DONATION DROP OFFS.
UH, SECOND, IT'S GOING TO IMPROVE, UH, TRAFFIC ACCESS TO THE SITE.
UH, THE SITE IS ON HARTFORD ROAD, THE, IT RIGHT NOW IT'S GOT DUAL INGRESS EGRESS FULL MOVEMENT ON BOTH SIDES.
AND OLD MORTON PIKE, THE, THE NEW DESIGN WOULD HAVE INGRESS ONLY FROM HARTFORD ROAD AND EGRESS FROM OLD MORTON PIKE.
SO IT'S GONNA RESULT IN A BETTER TRAFFIC FLOW AND BETTER DESIGN.
IN ADDITION, MY CLIENT HAS ACQUIRED AN ADDITIONAL STRIP OF PROPERTY FROM THE ADJOINING PROPERTY OWNER TO, TO ALLOW FOR, TO MOVE THE DRIVEWAY INGRESS FURTHER AWAY FROM THE TRAFFIC LIGHT, BUT ALSO TO, UH, UH, UH, PROVIDE ADDITIONAL SPACE FOR SOME, SOME LANDSCAPING AND PLANNINGS TO IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS.
UM, THE THIRD BENEFIT OF THIS SITE IS, IS IT'S GONNA MOVE ALL THE PARKING FROM THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO THE BACK OF THE BUILDING.
SO IT'S, IT'S, AGAIN, SOME OF THE STUFF OF A, A COMMERCIAL OPERATION WHERE YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANNA SEE IT FROM THE ROAD.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE RELOCATED TO THE BACK OF THE SITE.
UM, FOURTH, IT'S, THERE'S GONNA BE ADDITION OF LANDSCAPING, STREET TREES AND LIGHTING TO APPROVE THE AESTHETICS.
THE BUILDING'S GONNA BE MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE THAN, UH, AN OLD GAS STATION FROM THE 1950S, WHICH IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY IS TODAY.
UM, AND THAT'S, THAT'S, AND THE OVERALL OF THIS IS, IS THIS, IS, THIS IS RECYCLING AND THAT'S ONE OF THE PURPOSES OF THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAWS IS ENCOURAGING RECYCLING ACTIVITIES.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S ESSENTIALLY THE APPLICATION IN A NUTSHELL.
I'D LIKE TO SWEAR IN, UH, MY PROFESSIONALS.
SO WE COULD DO THAT AND WE WILL MAKE OUR PRESENTATION AND KEEP IT GOING, I THINK.
IS THERE ONLY TWO MEMBERS FROM 2022 OR ONE THREE? YEAH, SO WE, WE WILL, WE'LL TRY IT.
WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA CUT ANYTHING SHORT.
WE'LL MAKE SURE WE COVER EVERYTHING AS WE DID THEN.
SO, SO WITH US TONIGHT, I HAVE JOE MANCINI.
DO, DO YOU WANNA SWEAR IN EVERYONE THAT WANTS? SURE, SURE.
AND VICTOR AND
HE'S, HE'S ALSO WITH THE, OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
ANYONE ELSE? AND MARK WHAT BUR HE'S, UH, THE OPERATOR OF.
GENTLEMEN, DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? WE NEED TO HEAR YOU.
WELL, I GUESS WE'LL START WITH MR. BOYD IF YOU COME UP.
MARK, DO YOU RUN THE, UH, GOODWILL OPERATION IN BEDFORD? YES, I DO.
AND HOW LONG HAVE YOU BEEN DOING THAT? UH, 21 YEARS.
WHAT'S YOUR ROLE AT, UH, GOODWILL? I'M THE PRESIDENT AND CEO.
AND AND WHAT DID THE SITE OPEN IN 2009? YEAH, I BELIEVE IT WAS LIKE DECEMBER OF 2009.
AND THE, THE, THE ORIGINAL ORLANDO APPLICATION IN 2022 IS, IS, IS THIS A BETTER PLAN THAN WHAT WAS PROPOSED BACK THEN? YEAH, THE ORIGINAL PLAN THAT JOE ORLANDO PUT FORWARD IN 2022 WAS TO PUT A, I FORGET WHAT THEY CALL IT, A, A METAL BUILDING ATTACHED TO THE SIDE OF THE EXISTING MASONRY BUILDING FROM THE 1950S, IT LOOKS LIKE.
AND WE'RE PROPOSING A BRAND NEW BUILDING.
AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR OPERATION IN MEDFORD IS, IS IT NOT CONSIDERED THE UNICORN OF DONATION DROP OFFS IN NEW JERSEY? UH, WE HAVE
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ABOUT 50 LOCATIONS FOR COLLECTING DONATIONS AND THIS IS THE NUMBER ONE SITE IN OUR TERRITORY BY A WIDE MARGIN.AND IS, HAS THE SUCCESS OF YOUR BUSINESS CAUSED THE NEED FOR A LARGER BUILDING AMONG OTHER THINGS? YES.
IT, UM, IT, IT'S TROUBLESOME THAT SO MANY THINGS HAVE TO BE DONE OUTSIDE OF THE BUILDING 'CAUSE THE BUILDING ITSELF IS TOO SMALL.
UM, AND WE DON'T THINK IT'S A GOOD LOOK UNTIL WE KNOW, I DON'T THINK IT'S GOOD FOR OUR BRAND.
SO WE REALLY WANNA IMPROVE THAT.
AND, AND CLIMATE AMONG OTHER THINGS, THAT'S ANOTHER ISSUE.
AND WILL THE LAYOUT AND DESIGN OF THE BUILDING IMPROVE THE EFFICIENCIES AT GOODWILL? A HUNDRED PERCENT.
UH, WILL THERE BE MORE DONATION DROP-OFFS FOR THE LARGER BUILDING? UH, NO, I DON'T THINK THE NUMBER OF DONATIONS WILL, UM, BE IMPACTED.
I THINK IT'LL BE THE SAME NUMBER OF DONATIONS, BUT IT'LL JUST HAVE MORE SPACE, UH, TO, UM, MOVE THEM INSIDE AND THEN TRANSPORT THEM OUT.
I ALSO ANTICIPATE THAT THE NUMBER OF DONATIONS AT THE SITE TO BE SLOWLY GO DOWN A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE OF THE TOMLIN MILL ROAD FACILITY.
I THINK THAT'S, I THINK THAT FACILITY'S ARGUING ABOUT 25 DONATIONS A DAY.
SO I EXPECT THAT TO RAMP UP AND AS PEOPLE DISCOVER IT, I THINK IT'LL BALANCE OUT AND MAKE THE HARTFORD ROAD SITE WORK BETTER.
AND HOW, JUST TYPICAL ON A TYPICAL DONATION DROP OFF, HOW, HOW DOES THAT OCCUR AT, UNDER THE EXISTING BUSINESS? A DONOR PULLS UP, THEY USUALLY HAVE THE STUFF EITHER IN THEIR TRUNK OR IN THEIR BACK SEAT, AND THE DONATION ATTENDANT COMES OUT USUALLY WITH A LITTLE POLY CART AND LOADS IT UP, TAKES IT INSIDE.
UH, THE DONOR HAS THE OPTION TO GO INSIDE THE BUILDING AND GET A RECEIPT IF THEY WANT ONE.
UH, THE NUMBER OF RECEIPTS PEOPLE GET NOW WITH THE CHANGE IN THE TAX LAWS IS A LOT LESS.
UM, SORT, SORT OF CHANGES HOW WE COUNT DONATIONS.
UM, WE'RE WORKING ON SOME TECHNOLOGY, UH, TO MAKE IT EASIER SO THEY DON'T EVEN HAVE TO GET OUTTA THEIR CAR IN ORDER TO GET A, A DONATION RECEIPT.
UM, SO WE'RE PRETTY EXCITED ABOUT THAT.
WE'RE GONNA ROLL THAT OUT PRETTY SOON.
IT'S GONNA BE A QR CODE THAT YOU CAN USE YOUR PHONE, SCAN A CODE, AND THAT POPS YOUR RECEIPT THAT YOU CAN POPULATE AND THEN IT GOES INTO OUR DATABASE.
AND I THINK IT'LL BE A LOT FASTER AND A LOT MORE EFFICIENT.
WHEN, WHEN THERE IS A DONATION DROP OFF, YOU DON'T REJECT ANY DONATED ITEMS, DO YOU? UH, WE HAVE A SMALL LIST OF THINGS.
WE DON'T TAKE, WE DON'T TAKE TIRES, WE DON'T TAKE, UH, UM, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS.
BUT OTHERWISE, WE REALLY TRY TO TAKE EVERYTHING.
UM, THERE'S FEW THINGS THAT UPSET A DONOR MORE THAN PULLING UP THE DONATION, NOT HAVING ACCEPTED.
SO THAT, SO WHEN THAT HAPPENS, IF THERE IS A PRODUCT THAT YOU, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE AS HAVING A RECYCLABLE USE, YOU TAKE CARE OF THAT? YEAH, WE STILL TAKE IT, YEAH.
AND DO YOU HAVE IT TRANSPORTED OFF SITE? YEAH, WE HAVE NO, UM, TRASH FACILITIES AT ANY OF OUR DONATION SITES.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT IS THERE'S FEW THINGS THAT UPSET A DONOR MORE THAN A DONATION ATTENDANT WHO DECIDES THAT THEY DON'T THINK THERE'S WORTHWHILE DONATION.
THEY THROW IN THE TRASH RIGHT IN FRONT OF THE DONOR.
THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO LOSE A DONOR.
SO EVERYTHING GETS PUT INSIDE OF OUR BUILDING AND THEN TRANSPORTED OUT TO A CENTRAL LOCATION, AND THAT'S WHERE WE DECIDE WHAT, YOU KNOW, HOW TO, HOW TO HANDLE THAT SPECIFIC ITEM.
AND WHAT, WHAT ARE YOUR CURRENT DAYS OF, UH, DAYS AND HOURS OF OPERATION? WE ARE OPEN, UM, SEVEN DAYS A WEEK.
UH, WE HAVE JUST RECENTLY CHANGED OUR HOURS TO 9:00 AM TO 6:00 PM UH, MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY AND ON SUNDAY WE'RE OPEN, I BELIEVE 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM OKAY.
ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY CHANGE TO THAT, THOSE HOURS OF OPERATION? NO.
AND HOW MANY EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT? I'D SAY WE USUALLY HAVE A THREE.
ON A BUSY DAY, WE PROBABLY HAVE FOUR.
UH, AND WHERE WILL THEY PARK ON THE SITE? I WOULD ASSUME THERE'S, I THINK THERE'S EIGHT PARKING SPOTS.
WE REALLY DON'T WANT OUR DONORS PARKING.
I MEAN, THEY HAVE THE, THE ABILITY TO PARK IF THEY WANT TO GO IN AND GET A RECEIPT.
THEY REALLY PULL IN THE STUFF'S PULLED OUT WITHIN LESS THAN 60 SECONDS AND THEY'RE ON THEIR WAY.
UM, WILL YOU HAVE, UH, EQUIPMENT LIKE FORKLIFTS AND AND WHATNOT THAT WE DON'T HAVE FORKLIFTS, BUT WE DO HAVE SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LIKE A FORKLIFT.
IT'S A, UM, UM, I CAN'T, THE NAME JUST JUMPED OUTTA IN MY HEAD, SMALLER THAN A FORKLIFT, BUT IT ACTS LIKE A FORKLIFT.
DO YOU OCCASIONALLY HAVE, DO, DO YOU HAVE TRACTOR TRAILER DELIVERIES? UH, NO.
UM, WE HAVE, WE, WE, WE SOMETIMES USE TRACTOR TRAILERS TO DO A PICKUP BECAUSE THERE'S JUST, THE VOLUME IS SO MUCH.
UM, I TALKED TO MY TRANSPORTATION COMPANY, UH, TODAY AND THEY SAID, UH, THEY'VE BEEN PUTTING ONE TRACTOR TRAILER LOAD
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TO PICK UP, UH, FOR A WHILE NOW.AND THAT'S, THAT'S UNDER THE CURRENT OPERATION? YES.
AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO CONTINUE THAT? YES.
'CAUSE THE VOLUME, EVEN WITH THE NEW BUILDING'S GONNA BE PRETTY HIGH.
AND THAT NOW WITHSTANDING THAT WOULD, WOULD, WOULD GOODWILL BE WILLING TO AGREE TO REASONABLE HOURS FOR TRACTOR TRAILER OR DELIVERY SO THAT THEY'RE NOT DURING THE A MP BETWEEN EIGHT AND NINE 30 AND NOT DURING THE SCHOOL TIME AND THE, THE PM PEAK FROM THREE TO FIVE.
SO MAYBE FROM LIKE 10:00 AM TO 2:00 PM YES.
UM, WHAT, WHAT DO YOU EVER HAVE AFTER HOURS DELIVERIES BY, BY THE CASES DELIVERIES OR DONATIONS.
AND HOW DO YOU TYPICALLY HANDLE IF SOMEONE SHOWED UP AT NINE 30 AT NIGHT AND LEFT SOMETHING IN THE, IN, IN THE PARKING LOT? WELL, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT HAPPENING AT ALL.
UM, BUT WE'RE OPEN SEVEN DAYS A WEEK AND THE DONATION ATTENDANT, WHEN THEY COME IN FIRST THING IN THE MORNING, IF SOMEBODY MADE AN ILLEGAL DONATION AT NIGHT WHEN NOBODY WAS THERE, THE VERY FIRST THING THEY DO IS CLEAN IT UP.
SO WE OPERATE, I BELIEVE, 17 OF THESE DONATION CENTERS AND ANOTHER 27 STORES.
UM, WE HAVE NEVER HAD A, A, A SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM.
AND HOW DO YOU DEAL WITH SOLID WASTE? UH, SOLID WASTE GOES TO OUR DISTRIBUTION CENTER AND THEN IT'S EITHER RECYCLED OR, UH, PUT IN THE LANDFILL.
YOUR BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. MOORE? SORRY.
SO YOUR TRASH GETS PICKED UP BY WHO? OUR TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENT.
SO YOU HAVE TRANSPORTATION FOR YOUR OWN TR TRASH? YEAH, WE TRANSPORT ALL THE TRASH OUT OF THE FACILITY.
THERE WON'T BE A, THERE WON'T BE A DUMPSTER OR A GARBAGE CAN OR ANYTHING.
AND THERE'S NO LIKE OUTDOOR DONATION BOX FOR LIKE AFTER HOUR TYPE OF? NO.
ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS? AND THIS IS JUST DONATIONS? JUST DONATIONS? NO SALES.
YEAH, THERE'S, THERE'S NO RETAIL SALES? NO RETAIL SALES.
AND THERE'S NO SORTING OF THE MATERIAL.
IT GOES INTO, INTO BOXES AND GAYLORDS AND SHIPPED OUT.
HOW MANY EMPLOYEES AT THE TIME ARE TYPICALLY MANUALLY, UH, SELLING TYPICALLY THREE WHEN THINGS ARE BUSY? MIGHT BE FOUR.
HOW OFTEN IS THE, THE PICKUP OF THE DONATIONS? WE USUALLY BY TRACTOR TRAILER.
IS IT LIKE ONCE A WEEK OR WE HAVE, ACCORDING TO MY TRANSPORTATION DEPARTMENTS, ONE TRACTOR TRAILER A DAY AND ONE TO TWO OR THREE STRAIGHT TRUCKS A DAY.
IS THERE, SO DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE BUILDING IS GOING TO BE LARGER AND CAN HANDLE STORAGE OF MORE DONATIONS, THAT IS STILL GONNA BE THE CASE FOR THIS FACILITY? YES.
THE PICKUP WILL STILL BE THAT OFTEN? YEAH.
THE, THE BIGGEST ADVANTAGE WILL BE THAT IT, EVERYTHING WILL BE INSIDE, NOTHING WILL BE OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
I THINK THAT WILL BE A SIGNIFICANT ADVANTAGE, BUT THE VOLUME OF DONATIONS IS NOT GONNA CHANGE.
I THINK THE POINT IS CAN YOU STORE IT FOR AN OVERNIGHT UNTIL THE NEXT NEXT DAY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT? 'CAUSE YOU HAVE A LARGER FOOTPRINT INSIDE NOW, OR IS IT ONLY FOR SORTING AND THEN JUST GETTING RIGHT OUT? UM, I THINK THAT'S A FAIR QUESTION.
I I DEFINITELY COULD SEE STUFF BEING STORED OVERNIGHT.
YOU KNOW, IT DEPENDS UPON A LOT OF DIFFERENT FACTORS.
IMPACT TRANSPORTATION AND HAVING THE EXTRA SQUARE FOOTAGE WILL ALLOW THAT TO OCCUR, BUT MIGHT, MIGHT MAKE THE 10 TO TWO SOLUTION MAKE SENSE DONATION.
I THINK THAT WAS THE POINT OF HOW MANY TRACTOR TRAILERS ARE YOU BRINGING IN? YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO HANDLE ONE A DAY.
BUT THE, THE BUSINESS IS, I CAN'T, I CAN'T KEEP IT IN A DONATION SET.
I GOTTA GET IT OUT TO THE STORE.
YOU GOTTA, SO THAT, THAT'S WHY WE HAVE A BIG INCENTIVE TO KEEP IT MOVING.
WHAT IS CHANGING EXACTLY FROM THE RESOLUTION FROM 2022? AS FAR AS THIS TESTIMONY? I, I DON'T BELIEVE ANYTHING EXCEPT FOR PROBABLY THE TRACK AND TRAILERS.
I MEAN THE OPERATION'S GONNA BE THE SAME AS, AS EXISTED IN 2022 AS EXISTS TODAY.
NOW JUST HAVING
AND JUST FOR, FOR CLARITY ON THE PARKING WITH, UH, THREE OR FOUR SITE TWO PARKING SPACES FOR EMPLOYEES AT ANY GIVEN TIME, UM, AS FAR AS THE VOLUME OF PARKING IN THE, IN THE CURRENT SPACE VERSUS THE, THE PROPOSED SPACE WAS THE CHANGE IN, IN PARKING CAPACITY? I, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY PARKING SPACES ARE IN THE EXISTING SITE.
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ONLY LIKE FOUR.ISN'T THERE? MAY, MAYBE SOME OF OUR OTHER PROFESSIONALS WILL PROVIDE THAT TESTIMONY.
UM, ONE, ONE THING IS IS, AND WE NOTICED THAT IT WAS IN, UH, UH, MS. TAYLOR'S REPORT SUGGESTION THAT IF THERE IS BECOMES A PARKING PROBLEM IN THE FUTURE, WE HAVE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR MITIGATION MEASURE MEASURES AND WE WOULD AGREE TO DO THAT.
IS IT OFTEN THAT YOU'RE DIRECTING OR THE EMPLOYEES DIRECT THE CAR TO PARK? LIKE I HAVE DONATED BEFORE AND I'VE FEEL LIKE I'VE RAN IN, YOU KNOW, MY CAR STAYS IN THE SPOT THAT I DROPPED MY DONATION OFF, RUN IN REALLY QUICK, GRAB THE RECEIPT AND KIND OF LEAVE.
NOT SO MUCH AM I TOLD TO PARK AND THEN GO IN.
IS THAT, I, I THINK IT, I THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE FROM THE STANDPOINT UN PART, THE VEHICLE'S GONNA COME AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING AS OPPOSED TO THE FRONT.
YEAH, IT WAS DEFINITELY COMING AROUND THE BACK.
THE ABILITY'S BEING MOVED FORWARD CLOSER TO THE ROAD.
UM, I I DON'T REALLY ANTICIPATE EMPLOYEES TELLING PEOPLE TO PARK TO COME IN.
I THINK PEOPLE SORT OF MAKE UP THEIR OWN MIND ON WHAT THEY'RE GONNA DO.
IT IT DOES, IT'S JUST A FAST TRANSACTION.
IF YOU DONATED, YOU KNOW, I DONATE THERE A LOT, IT'S PRETTY QUICK TRANSACTION.
DO YOU HAVE A QUESTION, MICHELLE? SO I THINK THE QUESTION ABOUT THE, THE FORKLIFT WAS RELATED TO BACKUP BEEPERS AND UH, ARE YOU TALKING LIKE A, A A HAND TRUCK THAT'S LIKE A FORKLIFT, LIKE SOMETHING THAT'S SORT OF OPERATED BY HAND? YEAH, I THINK IT'S CALLED LET'S, I THINK THAT'S CALLED A PALLET JACK.
THIS IS BIGGER THAN A PALLET JACK, BUT IT'S O THE, THE OPERATOR'S NOT DRIVING THE VEHICLE.
THE WA THE OPERATOR'S WALKING BEHIND THE VEHICLE.
SO THEY'RE THEY'RE THEY'RE DIRECTING.
AND AND IT'S NOT NECESSARILY GONNA BE MAKING A LOT OF NOISE.
NO, IT'S NOT LIKE A FORKLIFT OR SOMEBODY SITTING ON IT AND OPERATING IT LIKE A, LIKE A VEHICLE.
IT'S, THEY'RE MOVING, MANIPULATING IT ON WHILE STANDING RIGHT.
WITH LIKE CONTROLS AS THEY THEY WALK.
SO A POWERED PALLET JACK, ESSENTIALLY.
WAS THE CONCERN THERE? THE, THE NOISE? YEAH.
JUST HOW, HOW ARE THINGS GETTING MOVED AROUND MM-HMM
INTO THE TRUCK OUT OF WHATEVER.
WELL ONE THING I WOULD, I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS ENTER INTO THE RECORD.
I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF THIS WAS PART OF THE EXISTING RECORD, MAYBE ANN YOU CAN, THE RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 16, THE USE, THE AMENDED USE VARIANCE APPROVAL THAT WAS GRANTED IN 2022.
IF YOU GAVE IT AS PART OF THE APPLICATION, THEN THE BOARD HAS IT.
SO I CAN'T, WELL, HOW ABOUT JUST TO BE CERTAIN, WE'LL HAVE IT MARKED IN AS A ONE JUST IN CASE.
MANCINI, CAN YOU GIVE US THE BENEFIT OF YOUR CREDENTIALS? ABSOLUTELY.
GOOD EVENING BOARD, UH, JOSEPH MANCINI, UH, WITH TRI-STATE ENGINEERING AND SERVING, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PROFESSIONAL PLANNER IN NEW JERSEY.
UM, BEEN QUALIFIED AS AN EXPERT IN THOSE AREAS, UH, THROUGHOUT NEW JERSEY MANY TIMES.
UH, GRADUATED FROM NGIT WITH A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING AND BEEN WORKING IN THE FIELD OF LAND DEVELOPMENT FOR ABOUT 25 YEARS.
AND I'VE HAD THE PLEASURE TO TESTIFY BEFORE THIS BOARD MANY TIMES.
AND YOUR LICENSE IS STILL IN GOOD STANDING? THEY ARE.
AND DID YOU WORK ON THE PROJECT WHEN IT WAS THE ORLANDO ITERATION 2022? I DID.
I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN, I'VE BEEN SITTING WITH THIS SITE SINCE 2018
AND, AND YOU PREPARED THE SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN THAT'S BEFORE THE BOARD OUT? YES, IT WAS PREPARED BY OUR OFFICE UNDER MY SUPERVISION, YES.
UH, CAN, CAN YOU, UH, I'LL HAND THE, I'LL HAND THE BATON TO YOU.
I'LL JUST, I'LL, I'LL WALK YOU THROUGH THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS REAL QUICK.
I KNOW YOU KNOW WHAT THE SITE LOOKS LIKE, BUT I'LL GIVE YOU THE, THE QUICK VERSION.
SO, UH, THE SUBJECT SITE IS LOCKED, 9 0 6 0.02, LAST 21 AND 22.
UM, SO ON THIS PLAN, OLD TON PLATE IS AT THE TOP.
HARFORD ROAD IS ON, ON THE LEFT SIDE HERE.
SO YOU, YOU CAN SEE THE EXISTING DONATION CENTER AND PROPERTY AS PART OF THE APPLICATION IS LOT 21, 1 44 THAT HAS, YOU KNOW WHAT, CHRIS, DID YOU HEAR MAYBE YOU SHOULD BRING YOUR EASEL UP TO THE MIC, SO THAT'S FINE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE EVERYBODY HAD, EVERYBODY COULD SEE IT.
BUT YEAH, WE ALSO NEED TO HEAR YOUR VOICE.
DO WE KNOW IF IT'S PICKING UP? WELL, THERE'S SUCH A DELAY, SO I CAN'T TELL IF HE'S STANDING OVER THERE VERSUS
YEAH, PROBABLY JUST BUS AND GET CLOSER.
UM, SO YOU CAN SEE A LOT 21, WHICH HAS THE EXISTING DWELLING AND, UH, A DETACHED GARAGE.
UM, THE DWELLING WAS SERVED BY A SEPTIC, BUT SINCE HAS BEEN CONNECTED TO, UH, PUBLIC SEWER, UH,
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SURROUNDING USES, UH, INCLUDE SOME RESIDENTIAL, UH, PROPERTIES AS WELL AS TO THE NORTH AND WEST.THERE'S COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES INCLUDING PETER LUMBER.
YOU CAN SEE YOU'VE RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET ON HARTFORD ROAD.
UM, THE EXISTING GOODWILL SITE HAS, AS YOU HEARD, EXTENSIVE CURB CUTS AND I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN YOURSELF ALONG BOTH FRONTAGES.
UM, AND ROUGHLY 85% OF THAT EXISTING GOODWILL, UH, SITE ON LOT 22 IS PAVED OR CONCRETE AND IT'S, UH, DOMINATED BY OUTDOOR STORAGE, WHICH IS LARGELY THE REASON WHY WE'RE HERE.
UM, MARK THIS AERIAL EXHIBIT A TWO.
THIS IS THE AERIAL, UH, MAP FROM JUNE, 2026.
SO YOU CAN SEE THIS IS PRETTY, PRETTY RECENT, UH, EXISTING CONDITIONS THERE.
SO BRIEFLY, THE SUBDIVISION, THE SUBDIVISION'S, NOT EXACTLY THE START OF THE SHOW, BUT IT'S, IT'S IMPORTANT TO, TO THE FUNCTION OF THIS, UH, CHANGE IN FUNCTION ON THE SITE.
SO AGAIN, YOU CAN SEE HERE LOT, UH, 22, WHICH IS A GOODWILL SITE, LOT 21, WHICH IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY WHERE WE'RE BORROWING, UH, SOME LAND, NOT BORROWING.
WE'RE, WE'RE SUBDIVIDING SOME OF THE LAND FROM LOT 21 AND GIVING IT TO, TO LOT 22 TO GOODWILL STORE.
THAT, THAT ENABLES US TO, UH, DO THAT EXPANDED, UH, DRIVEWAY AROUND THE BACK OF THE BUILDING, UM, AND HAVE ALL THE GOODWILL USE CONTAINED WITHIN, UH, LOT 22.
SO THAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THE, OF THE MINOR SUBDIVISION.
UM, DID JUST SAY ANYTHING ELSE RELEVANT THERE? UH, THERE WERE SOME COMMENTS.
JUST GONNA TOUCH ON THIS REAL QUICKLY REGARDING THE SUBDIVISION.
THERE'S SOME COMMENTS IN MR. NOEL'S LETTER REGARDING THE, UH, ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAT'S NECESSARY AT THE CORNER.
SO AT THE CORNER HERE, UM, THE PROPERTY JUTS OUT INTO THE INTERSECTION AS WELL AS
THE DISTANCE FROM THE CENTER LINE IS NOT CONSISTENT WITH WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE TAX MAP.
SO WE CAN RECONCILE THAT, UH, WITH THE UPDATES ON THE MINOR SUBDIVISION PLAN, MAKE SURE WE GIVE THAT NECESSARY RIGHT OF WAY, UM, UH, TO THE TOWNSHIP AND HAVE THAT DEDICATED AS PART OF THE, UH, SUBDIVISION RECORDING.
UM, THAT WILL REDUCE THE AREAS SLIGHTLY FROM WHAT'S SHOWN ON THE SUBDIVISION PLAN, BUT I'M CONFIDENT THAT BOTH RESULTING LOTS WILL STILL EXCEED THE 14,000 SQUARE FOOT MINIMUM LOT AREA FOR THE GMS ZONE THAT WE'RE LOCATED IN.
UH, AND ADDITIONALLY THERE, THERE'S A NUMBER OF OTHER SMALL DEFICIENCIES THAT ARE IDENTIFIED AND, AND, UM, AND CHRIS'S AUGUST 27TH LETTER, UH, WHICH WE ALL, UH, WE CAN, WE CAN ADDRESS ALL THOSE THINGS AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IF THE BOARD ACTS FAVORABLY.
SO ONTO THE PROPOSED CONDITION.
SO ON ON LOT 22, THE GOODWILL SITE, THE APPLICANT'S PROPOSING, AS YOU HEARD, APPROXIMATELY 3000 SQUARE FOOT WAREHOUSE AND DONATION BUILDING, UH, CLOSING, UM, ALL OF THE EXISTING CURB CUTS ALONG, UH, THE FRONTAGES ON OLD MARLIN PIKE AND HARTFORD ROAD AND PROPOSING A NEW ONE-WAY CIRCULATION.
SO WE'RE GONNA HAVE ONE WAY CIRCULATION FROM HARTON ROAD INTO THE SITE DROP OFF AREA IN THE BACK, YOU CAN SEE IN THIS HATCHED AREA, AND THEN EXITING OUT TON PIPE.
UM, SO WE'LL, WE'LL HAVE SIGNAGE AND STRIPING CONSISTENT WITH THAT.
UM, WE ALSO TALK WITH, UM, MR. NOEL'S, OFFICER BARNEY, UM, SOME ADDITIONAL SIGNS AND STRIPING AT THIS CUT IN, IN THE CORE AREA.
SO HARTFORD ROAD, THIS LEFT TURN LANE TENDS TO BACK UP SOMETIMES.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT SOME DO NOT BLOCK THE BOX, UH, SIGNAGE AND STRIPING THERE TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS SITE ENTRANCE REMAINS OPEN.
UM, IN, IN THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, UM, WE DO HAVE EIGHT, UH, ANGLED, UH, UH, AND, UH, AND A COUPLE OF 90 DEGREE PARKING SPACES.
SO MOST OF THE PARKING SPACES ARE ON HARTFORD ROAD ASSIGNED.
YOU CAN SEE THESE ANGLED SPACES HERE.
AND THERE'S TWO ADDITIONAL SPACES HERE, INCLUDING THE A DA, UH, ACCESSIBLE SPACE.
BUT THERE'S STILL IN ONLY ONE WAY CIRCULATION GOING FROM HARTFORD THROUGH, UH, THROUGH TO OLD MALTON PIKE.
UM, THE EXISTING SITE PROBABLY HAS SOMEWHERE AROUND NINE OR 10 SPACES.
AS WITH MOST OF THE SITE, IT'S SORT OF HAPHAZARD, YOU KNOW, THERE, THERE'S SOME, SOME, UH, STRIPED PARKING SPACES.
BUT ALSO I THINK FOLKS TEND TO GO WHEREVER THEY, WHEREVER THEY CAN, UH, BASED ON WHERE THE OUTDOOR STORAGE IS.
SO I THINK HAVING THESE DESIGNATED SPACES IS GONNA BE AN IMPROVEMENT THERE.
AND BASED ON THE OPERATIONS THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH, UM, MR. BOYD, WE THINK THAT THESE EIGHT SPACES WILL BE SUFFICIENT TO SERVE WHAT THEIR NEEDS ARE, ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF HOW THEY'RE IMPROVING, UH, TURNOVER TIME.
AND THE FACT THAT OUR, OUR PRIMARY GOAL IS FOR FOLKS TO PULL UP TO THIS DROP OFF AREA, AS YOU HEARD, GET THEIR DONATION, TAKE IT, AND THEN BE ABLE TO MOVE ON.
SO, UH, CERTAINLY THEY CAN PARK AND GO INSIDE IF THEY NEED TO.
UM, BUT THE, THE PREFERENCE IS, IS THAT THAT'S NOT THE NORM.
UM, SO THE REAR LOADING AREA, AGAIN, IT'S, SO THE DROP OFF AND, AND THE PICKUP ACTIVITY ALL HAPPENS BEHIND THE BUILDING.
UM, AS YOU HEARD, THERE'LL BE NO MORE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UM, WE'RE ALSO PROPOSING LANDSCAPING STREET TREES, AS YOU CAN SEE, AND
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LIGHTING IMPROVEMENTS, UH, THAT ARE CONSISTENT WITH, UM, THE REQUESTS IN THE REVIEW LETTERS.THERE'S SIX FOOT TALL EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE PROPOSED ALONG THE BOUNDARY WITH THE, THE REMAINING, UH, RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, STREET TREES, UM, AND OTHER LANDSCAPING AROUND THE BUILDING.
UH, UH, WE'RE GONNA MAKE SOME SUBSTITUTIONS WITH THE LANDSCAPING AS RECOMMENDED, UM, IN THE TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP LETTER.
SO WE DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE DETAILS OF THAT, BUT WE WOULD CERTAINLY AGREE TO MAKING THE SUBSTITUTIONS THAT THEY ASK FOR.
UM, WE WOULD AGREE TO PROVIDING ANY IRRIGATION SYSTEM TO MAKE SURE THAT THIS PLANT MATERIAL, UM, SURVIVES AND, UH, AND ADDRESS, UH, ANY ISSUES WITH CON CONFLICTS WITH UTILITIES AND SO FORTH.
UM, AND ALSO I THINK THERE WAS SOME RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING REDUCTION OF SITE LIGHTING, UM, AFTER THE CLOSE OF BUSINESS, UH, MOTION ACTIVATION.
ALL THOSE RECOMMENDATIONS THAT WE THINK ARE APPROPRIATE.
AS YOU HEARD THAT THE SITE OPERATES FROM, UH, FROM NINE OR 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM UM, SO WE THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO LOWER THOSE LIGHT LEVELS TO SECURITY LEVELS, UM, AFTER HOURS.
UM, I TALKED ABOUT THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUES.
SO ON THE LOT 21, THE PROPOSED CONDITIONS ARE, ARE, UM, YOU KNOW, SUBSTANTIALLY UN UNCHANGED.
UM, I THINK THERE'S, THERE'S NO NEW CONSTRUCTION PROPOSED ON LOT 21.
UM, THERE'S AN EXISTING FRONT YARD DEFICIENCY, UM, ASSOCIATED WITH THE DWELLING THAT'S NOT PROPOSED TO CHANGE.
SO THAT'S AN EXISTING NONCONFORMING CONDITION THERE.
UM, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, THE, THE POLE BARN THAT'S ON THE RESIDENTIAL LOT THAT, NO, IT'S NOT TO BE USED BY GOOD GOODWILL.
IT'S NOT PART OF THE COMMERCIAL OPERATION.
IT'S NOT, YEAH, ABSOLUTELY NOT.
UM, AND NOTABLY, THERE'S NO INCREASE IN IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON EITHER OF THESE SITES.
SO, AS I SAID, THE EXISTING GOODWILL SITE IS, IS SUBSTANTIALLY, UH, COVERED WITH PAVING AND CONCRETE.
UM, THOSE WILL BE REMOVED AS NECESSARY.
UM, AND THAT THERE, THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION IN THE OVERALL IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE ON, ON OUR LOT ON THE, ON THE SITE AS A WHOLE.
SO I'LL PAUSE THERE BEFORE WE HAVE A NUMBER OF, UH, ITEMS OF RELIEF.
SO I'LL KIND OF WALK THE BOARD THROUGH THOSE.
BUT I JUST WANNA SEE IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE LAYOUT AND USE OF THE SITE FIRST.
DO WE HAVE, UH, COLORED PICTURES OF WHAT THE FRONT WOULD LOOK LIKE IN THE SIDE? ABSOLUTELY.
THAT'S, SIR, I DO HAVE A QUESTION REAL QUICK 'CAUSE I'M LOOKING AT THE PLAN.
SO, AS I SEE IT, ARE THE TRACTOR TRAILERS ONLY GONNA BE ABLE TO COME AS THEY'RE COMING DOWN? IT LOOKS LIKE THE WAY THAT THE DRIVEWAY COMES IN LOOKS LIKE THEY AT THE, AT THE BOTTOM RIGHT THERE, YOU'D HAVE TO, WELL, EITHER WAY YOU'D HAVE TO COME IN HARTFORD 'CAUSE IT'S A ONE WAY, BUT YOU'D HAVE TO BE COMING SOUTH SOUTHBOUND TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN.
YOU NEVER GONNA MAKE A RIGHT TURN IF YOU MADE A, IF YOU MADE A RIGHT, THE CORNER'S PRETTY TIGHT.
YOU KNOW, YOU FOLLOW IF THE TRACTOR TRAILER'S TRYING TO COME THROUGH AND THEY'RE, THEY'RE COMING FROM, SORRY, CAN PRESS OFF IN TERMS OF THE, THE TRACTOR TRAILER GETTING INTO THE SITE.
I DON'T KNOW IF THEY CAN MAKE THE TURN OR NOT.
THAT'S SOMETHING WE'LL HAVE TO EXPLORE WITH, WITH THE TURNING TEMPLATE.
UH, I'LL, I'LL CONFESS AND EMBARRASS TO SAY THAT THAT'S SORT OF NEW INFORMATION FOR US BASED ON, ON MARK TALKING TO HIS TRANSPORTATION FOLKS.
I, I WOULD SAY THAT, THAT THE USE OF TRACTOR TRAIL ON THE SITE IS GONNA BE LIMITED BASED ON US DEMONSTRATING TO MR. NO'S OFFICE THAT IT CAN FUNCTION ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN MAYBE WE CAN GET SOME MORE CLARITY ON WHERE THEY COME FROM AND HOW THEY WOULD CIRCULATE TO, TO THE SITE.
THEN WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE ALTERNATIVE? THE ALTERNATIVE IS, IS THEY HAVE TO GO WITH SMALLER TRUCKS MORE FREQUENTLY.
LIKE, IS IS THERE A REASON WHY IT COMES THAT WAY OR COULD THAT BE WIDENED A LITTLE BIT? NO, CERTAINLY THIS, LIKE, IF, IF FOLKS WERE, IF THEY'RE COMING NORTH ON HARTFORD, YEAH, WE CAN LOOK AT WIDENING THIS RADIUS.
IF THERE'S A REASONABLE WAY TO DO THAT AND, AND, AND OUR OFFICE AND MR. NOAH'S OFFICE THINK THAT'S, THAT'S A REASONABLE CHANGE TO THE PLAN, THEN CERTAINLY WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
AND IS THERE IS A DESIGNATED PLACE FOR, SO OBVIOUSLY WHEN A TRACTOR TRAILER COMES IN, IS IT PLANNING TO BE AGAINST THE, WHERE THE TREES ARE TO THE RIGHT, SO THEREFORE TRAFFIC CAN STILL COME IN AND OUT WHILE THE TRUCK IS LOADING? YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S A, THERE'S A 23 FOOT AREA HERE WHERE THEY COULD PULL OFF AND THERE'S STILL BE AT LEAST ROOM FOR EMERGENCY CIRCULATION AROUND.
SO AGAIN, WE, WE'D HAVE TO SORT OF WORK OUT THE OPERATIONS OF HOW THAT HAPPENS.
IT'S ANOTHER REASON WHY WE WANNA SORT OF LIMIT, UH, LIMIT THAT, THAT PICKUP TO, TO OFF PEAK HOURS.
UM, SO WE CONTROL, UH, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT DISTURBING THE DROP OFFS AND AGAIN, THAT THAT'S AN EXISTING CONDITION AND THAT THEY, THAT THEY NAVIGATE TODAY WITH MUCH LESS FAVORABLE LAYOUT, UM, AND, AND UNCONTROLLED ACCESS THROUGH THE
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EXISTING SITE.SO THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT AN, NOT AN EXCUSE NOT TO, UH, HAVE IT WELL THOUGHT OUT, BUT, UM, BUT I THINK THIS SITE ACCOMMODATES IT MORE FAVORABLY THAN, THAN THE EXISTING CONDITION.
LET ME JUST ASK ONE MORE QUESTION WITH THAT.
SAME THING IS THE BACKUP IS THE PICKUP LOCATION FOR THE BUILDING ELEVATED.
SO AN 18 WHEELER BACKS UP TO IT, YOU JUST FILL NO, IT'S DONE.
SO, SO THE, THE, THERE'S AN OVERHEAD DOOR ON THE BACK OF THE, UH, DONATION BUILDING.
SO THEY'LL BE BRINGING EVERYTHING OUT IN THE PALLET JACK.
IT'LL BE GOING UP ON THE, WITH A LIFT, WITH A LIFT GATE.
THEY'LL BE LOADING IT AND CORRECT.
CAN PICTURE THIS, THE TRACTOR TRAILERS THAT ARE BEING UTILIZED FOR, UH, PICKUPS.
WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE STANDARD 53 FOOT CONTAINERS, AT LEAST THE 20 FOOT CUBES.
DO YOU KNOW THAT ANSWER? PROBABLY A SMALLER TRAILER WITHIN THREE FEET.
SO I'M GONNA GUESS, UH, LIKE A WB 40, NOT, NOT THE LARGEST SIZE TRACTOR TRAILER, BUT THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT WE'LL GET CONFIRMATION ON FROM THE TRANSPORTATION FOLKS AND SHOW HOW THAT NAVIGATES THE SITE.
AND AGAIN, IF WE CAN'T SATISFY THAT ON THIS SITE, UH, YOU KNOW, IT'S MORE IMPORTANT THAT WE GET THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND THE SITE FUNCTIONS WELL.
SO I THINK WE CAN ACCOMMODATE THAT.
YEAH, I, I, I WOULD THINK THE TRUCKING COMPANY IS NOT GONNA BE, WANT, WANT TO COME FROM HARTFORD, FROM THE, FROM 70.
THEY'RE GONNA WANT TO COME FROM THE OTHER DIRECTION.
IT'S JUST AN EASIER, IT'S AN EASIER TURN, ISN'T IT? TAKE IT WORD FOR IT.
THE EXIT IS PROPOSED THAT THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO GO EITHER WAY.
THEY'LL BE ABLE TO MAKE A RIGHT OR A LEFT, RIGHT? CORRECT.
SO SNO, IS THERE AN ISSUE WITH THAT? THE, THE WAY IT'S LEFT, UH, LAID OUT NOW THAT'S ACTUALLY EASIER TO COME IN FROM NORTH, FROM SOUTHBOUND TO TURN, MAKE A LEFT IN THERE, BUT THEY'LL JUST SMOOTH THAT OUT, THAT, UH, RADIUS COMING IN.
SO YOU CAN GET IN FROM THE SOUTHBOUND, BUT THEY'LL PROVIDE US THE TRUCK SIZE AND WE'LL LOOK AT THE TURNING MOVEMENTS AND MAKE SURE IT WORKS AND IT DOESN'T WORK.
THEY HAVE TO REDUCE THE TRUCK SIZE.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ROOM TO INCREASE THAT RADIUS.
SO THAT CAN COME, I MEAN, YOU CAN MODIFY THE PLAN IS WHAT I'M SAYING, VERSUS LIMITING A TRUCK SIZE WORKS.
THERE'S ROOM, THERE'S ROOM TO DO THAT.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WE PREFER TO DO, BECAUSE YOU COULD TRY TO SAY, I'M LIMITING THE TRUCK SIZE AND SOME TRUCK COMES IN, IT'S BIGGER THAN THAT, THEY'RE GONNA COME IN ANYWAY.
SO YOU TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THE BEST YOU CAN.
YEAH, THEY'RE JUST GONNA TOP THE CURB, RIGHT? SO I'LL, I'LL, UH, AS, UM, AS CHRIS SAID, UM, IN ADDITION TO THE SITE PLAN OF SUBDIVISION APPROVAL, WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR, UM, WHAT'S KNOWN AS A D TWO, UH, USE VARIANCE.
SO THAT'S AN EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE.
SO THIS USE WAS RECOGNIZED, UM, BY USE VARIANCE, UM, AND THEN EXPANDED IN 2022, UM, BASED ON THE PLAN THAT WAS PRESENTED AT THAT TIME, THIS PLAN SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT IN TERMS OF THE SIZE OF THE LOT, AND AS YOU HEARD, THE, THE PARTICULARS AROUND THE BUILDING SIZE AND LOCATION.
UM, SO EFFECTIVELY WE'RE LOOKING FOR THAT SAME SORT OF, UH, D TWO USE, UH, VARIANCE RELIEF.
UM, TONIGHT, IN ADDITION, WE'RE LOOKING FOR SOME, SOME BULK, UH, VARIANCES.
A LOT OF THOSE BULK VARIANCES RELATE TO THE SIZE AND SHAPE OF THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE UNIQUE CONDITION WITH REGARDS TO THE TWO FRONTAGES.
AND, UH, A PRETTY SUBSTANTIAL, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS IN THE GMS ZONE.
SO THE ZONE REQUIRES 50 FOOT FRONT YARD SETBACKS.
A LITTLE DIFFICULT TO SEE HERE, BUT THERE'S A, THERE'S A LITTLE TRIANGLE INSIDE THE BIG TRIANGLE.
THAT'S THE AREA THAT WE WOULD BE ALLOWED TO BUILD, RIGHT? AND SO WE, SO WE CAN SEE, YOU KNOW, THE CONSTRAINT THAT'S ON THE SITE, APPLYING THOSE SETBACKS BECAUSE OF THE, THE FRONT YARDS.
UM, SO I'LL JUST LIST THOSE, UH, AND I CAN THINK YOU'LL GET THE SENSE OF IT, BUT I'LL, BUT I'LL ALSO GO THROUGH THEM INDIVIDUALLY IN, IN OUR PROOFS.
SO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FROM OLD MARTON PIKE IS, UM, EXISTING IS IS 46.3.
THAT'S A SMALL DEVIATION FROM WHAT'S ON THE PLAN.
THAT'S AS A RESULT OF THE ADDITIONAL RIGHT OF WAY THAT WE DISCUSSED BEFORE.
UM, ON HARTFORD ROAD, UH, THE EXISTING CONDITION IS 31.6.
THE PLAN SHOWS 15 AND A HALF, BUT THERE'S A LITTLE BUMP OUT ON THE ARCHITECTURAL, UH, THAT CHANGED RECENTLY.
SO THE SMALLEST SETBACK THERE TO HARTFORD ROAD IS GONNA BE 13.5.
UH, AGAIN, VERSUS 50 FEET REQUIRED FOR BOTH.
UM, THERE IS SOME, UH, DISCRETION FOR THE BOARD HERE REGARDING THE THIRD, UH, LEG OF THIS TRIANGLE, WHETHER WE TREAT THAT AS A SIDE YARD OR A REAR YARD, I THINK, UM, UH, I'M, I'M, I'M NEUTRAL ON THAT.
I THINK, YOU KNOW, MOST, UH, MOST COMMONLY WE WOULD SEE THAT TREATED AS, AS A SIDE YARD, BUT IT FUNCTIONALLY IT'S, IT'S A REAR YARD FOR THIS BUILDING.
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UM, SO IT'S EITHER 30 OR 50 FEET REQUIRED.AND THEN 37.6, UM, IS PROPOSED.
UM, THE BUILDING COVERAGE IS, UH, 12% MAX IS ALLOWED.
UM, AGAIN, YOU'VE HEARD THE, THE, UH, EXPLANATION FOR, FOR WHY WE NEED SOME ADDITIONAL BUILDING COVERAGE HERE, AND THAT RELATES TO THE, TO THE LOT SIZE AS WELL.
THE EXISTING, AS I SAID, IS 80, ABOUT 85%, AND WE'RE GETTING THAT DOWN TO JUST UNDER 57%.
SO THERE'S A SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT THERE, BUT IT'S 30% MAX IS WHICH PERMITTED.
UM, AND THERE'S ALSO, UM, UH, VARIANCE RELIEF REQUESTED FOR THE TWO PROPOSED WALL SIGNS.
YOU'LL SEE THOSE IN THE ARCHITECTURAL PLANS.
THERE'S TWO SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED.
UM, ONE ON THE, UH, HARFORD ROAD SIDE AND THEN ONE ON THE SHORT, ONE OF THESE SHORT SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
WE'LL HAVE DAN CONFIRM WHICH SHORT SIDE, BUT ON TWO OF THE, TWO OF THE FACADES THERE IS.
UM, AND I'M SORRY, THEY'RE ON, THEY'RE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE LONG SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
WE HAVE ONE ON THE BACK SIDE OF THE BUILDING AS WELL.
UM, THOSE ARE EACH, UH, 33.6 SQUARE FEET, UM, WHICH IS NON-CONFORMING FOR THIS ZONE, BUT I'LL KIND OF WALK YOU THROUGH HOW THAT COMPORTS BETTER WITH, WITH, UH, THIS TYPE OF USE.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S A HANDFUL OF DESIGN WAIVERS.
AGAIN, THESE RELATE TO, TO THE LAYOUT OF THE SITE.
UM, WE NEED A DESIGN WAIVER FOR PARKING WITHIN THE BUFFER.
AGAIN, THE BUFFER AREA SURROUNDING THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE BECAUSE OF THE SITE CONSTRAINTS AND SOME OF THE PARKING GETS CLOSE TO HARBOR ROAD OR CLOSE TO OLD PIKE.
AND TECH LEOS WITHIN A REQUIRED BUFFER, UM, DRIVEWAY LOCATION TO THE ADJOINING LOT LINE.
AGAIN, THAT'S THE DRIVEWAY THAT CIRCULATES THROUGH.
THERE'S A 10 FOOT REQUIREMENT THERE.
WE MAY HAVE, UH, LESS THAN 10 FEET ON, ON THE, ON THE PLAN.
UM, LOADING AREA, UH, IS NOT PERMITTED IN THE FRONT YARD.
IT'S BEHIND THE BUILDING, BUT TECHNICALLY PART OF IT IS IN THE FRONT YARD AREA BECAUSE OF THOSE TWO FRONT YARDS, AS I MENTIONED.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF ON SOME OF THE, UH, SHRUB HEIGHTS.
UM, SO THAT, SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES, UM, AND, AND THE WIDTH OF, OF THE BUFFER.
SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 20 FOOT BUFFERS.
WE'RE PROVIDING, UH, SLIGHTLY LESS THAN THAT IN, IN, IN SOME LOCATIONS.
AND ALSO WE WANNA REDUCE THE SIZE OF THE SHRUBS.
UH, BUT AGAIN, THEY'LL GROW IN OVER TIME.
WE'RE ASKING FOR A WAIVER ON THE, UH, LIGHTING RATIO.
SO THERE'S MINS AND MAX ON LIGHTING, AND THEN THERE'S A LIGHTING RATIO.
THE ORDINANCE PRESCRIBES 10 TO ONE AS A MAXIMUM RATIO.
UM, WE CAN MAKE SOME REDUCTIONS TO THE LIGHTS AROUND THE PERIMETER THAT WAS REQUESTED BY TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP, BUT I THINK I'M STILL CONFIDENT WE'RE GONNA EXCEED THAT RATIO.
THAT'S BECAUSE IT'S HARD TO MEET THE RATIO BECAUSE YOU HAVE NEAR THE LIGHTS, YOU HAVE SOME, UH, BRIGHTER SPOTS NECESSARILY.
AND THEN YOU HAVE SOME OTHER SPOTS THAT ARE, THAT ARE MUCH LOWER LIGHTING, BECAUSE WE WANT IT TO BE AT OR NEAR ZERO LIGHT LEVELS AT THE PROPERTY LINES.
SO WE CAN WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, HOW WE DEFINE THAT RATIO.
BUT I THINK ULTIMATELY THE END CONDITION'S GONNA EXCEED THE 10 TO ONE MAX.
THE MAIN GOAL THERE IS TO HAVE THE, UH, SAFE SITE LIGHTING, BUT ALSO BE SENSITIVE TO THE NEIGHBORS, WHICH I THINK WE CAN EASILY ACCOMPLISH.
SO THOSE, THOSE ARE THE
UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE NUMBER OF PARKING SPACES, UH, WE DEFINE THE PARKING REQUIREMENTS BASED ON THE OFFICE AREA.
UM, ROUGHLY 500 SQUARE FOOT OF OFFICE MAX AND ROUGHLY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT OF STORAGE SPACE.
UM, BASED ON THAT, EIGHT SPACES ARE REQUIRED.
EIGHT SPACES ARE PROPOSED, UM, SO THAT WE DON'T BELIEVE THAT THERE'S ANY RELIEF REQUIRED FOR, UH, FOR THE PARKING, BUT AS YOU HEARD, UH, IN THE EVENT THAT ADDITIONAL PARK IS NECESSARY, UM, YOU KNOW, WE COULD CERTAINLY, WE WE'D, UH, AGREE TO, UH, TRY TO ACCOMMODATE THAT ON SITE AS BEST WE CAN.
UM, BUT WE'RE HOPEFUL THAT THESE NEW USE AND OPERATIONS WILL ALLOW FOLKS TO MOVE THROUGH AND, AND NOT EVEN NEED THE EIGHT SPACES.
SO I'M GONNA FOCUS ON THE, THE USE VARIANCE FIRST.
AND THEN I'LL SORT OF JUMP INTO TO THE, UH, THE BULK RELEASE RELIEF THAT'S REQUIRED.
SO AGAIN, WE'RE LOOKING FOR RELIEF, UH, PURSUANT TO 40 55 D 70 D TWO, UH, WHICH THE BOARD HAS THE POWER TO GRANT.
MR. FANCY, COULD I JUST INTERRUPT YOU? YOU MAY.
UH, SO MR NO MADE THE POINT THAT BECAUSE OF THE STREET, UH, DEDICATION, THE BUILDING COVERAGE IN THE LOT COVERAGE WILL GO UP A LITTLE HIGHER.
UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE THOSE NUMBERS TONIGHT, BUT I THINK IF, IF THE, THE RESOLUTION COULD REFLECT THAT THERE'S A SLIGHT CHANGE THERE BASED ON THAT RIGHT OF WAY DEDICATION AND GIVE US THAT LATITUDE, UM, WE'LL MAKE SURE THE PLAN REFLECTS WHAT THAT IS.
UM, SO THE GOOD BILL DONATION CENTER ON LOT 22,
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UM, WAS FOUND TO WARRANT THIS KIND OF RELIEF, UH, BY RESOLUTION 2022 DASH 16.UM, AND THE CURRENT APPLICATION REQUIRES, UH, FURTHER D TWO VARIANCE BECAUSE OF THE RECONFIGURED LOT, UM, AND THE CHANGE PHASE OF THE MINOR SUBDIVISION AND THE, AND THE CHANGE IN THE FOOTPRINT.
SO, A D TWO VARIANCE, UNLIKE A D ONE VARIANCE, UM, ONLY NEEDS TO SHOW THAT THE, THE FOCUS IS ON THE, THE QUALITY, THE CHARACTER AND INTENSITY OF THE USE AND ITS OVERALL EFFECT ON THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND ZONE PLAN.
SO THE PROPOSED EXPANSION, IN OUR VIEW, PROMOTES THE GENERAL WELFARE BECAUSE THE SITE REMAINS PARTICULARLY SUITED TO THE CONTINUED USE, LOCATED AS SIGNAL LINES INTERSECTION SURROUNDED BY OTHER COMMERCIAL PROPERTIES TO THE NORTH AND WEST IS SUCCESSFULLY OPERATED AS DONATION CENTER AT THIS LOCATION FOR OVER A DECADE.
UM, THE SPECIAL REASONS, UH, FOR THE REQUESTED RELIEF ARE ALSO FOUND IN THE FACT THAT THE EXPANSION AS DESIGNED TENDS TO MINIMIZE AND IMPROVE THIS SITE'S COMPATIBILITY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT NON-CONFORMITY RATHER THAN INTENSIFY IT.
UM, SO CLOSING OF THE CURB CUTS TO, AND MOVING THEM FURTHER AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION IMPROVES THE SITE SAFETY.
UM, RELOCATING THE DROP OFF, UH, AND STORAGE FROM THE FRONT YARD TO THE BACK AND INSIDE THE BUILDING, UH, IMPROVES THE VISUAL CLUTTER THAT'S CHARACTERIZED THE SITE AND THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING SCREENING AND THE REDUCTION IN OVERALL SITE COVERAGE IMPROVE, UH, THE APPEARANCE OF THE GATEWAY INTO MEDFORD.
UM, UH, WE ALSO BELIEVE IT CARRIES OUT SOME PURPOSES OF ZONING.
I MENTIONED PURPOSE A, UH, WHICH IS TO, UH, ENCOURAGE MUNICIPAL ACTION, UH, TO GUIDE THE USER DEVELOPMENT OF LANDS IN A WAY THAT PROMOTES GENERAL WELFARE.
AGAIN, I THINK THAT'S ADVANCED BY THE IMPROVED SITE CIRCULATION, THE ELIMINATION OF THE INTERSECTION AREA, CURB CUTS, AND THE RELOCATION OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
UH, PURPOSE G TALKS ABOUT PROVIDING SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR APPROPRIATE, UH, INAPPROPRIATE LOCATIONS FOR A VARIETY OF USES.
I THINK THAT'S ADVANCED BECAUSE, UH, THIS LOCATION CONTINUES TO MEET AN ESTABLISHED NEED, UH, FOR DONATION DROP OFF SERVICES AND PURPOSE EYE TALKS ABOUT A DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT.
I THINK, UH, THAT'S ADVANCED BY, UH, THE PROPOSED BUILDING DESIGN ITSELF, UH, THE LANDSCAPING, UH, AND THE OTHER IMPROVEMENTS OF THE SITE THAT, UH, REORGANIZED THE SITE, UH, ACTIVITY AWAY FROM THE STREET FRONTAGES.
UM, AND ALSO CONSISTENT WITH THE 2022 TESTIMONY WE PUT ON, I THINK IT ADVANCES PURPOSE H WHICH TALKS ABOUT THE FREE FLOW OF TRAFFIC THROUGH, AGAIN, CLOSURE OF THOSE CURB CUTS AND CONTROLLED ONE-WAY CIRCULATION AND PURPOSE M WHICH TALKS ABOUT EFFICIENT USE OF LAND, WHICH AGAIN, I THINK IS, UH, MORE EFFICIENT TO CONTINUE TO USE THIS AND EXPAND THIS SITE, OR NOT EXPAND THIS SITE, BUT, UH, CLEAN UP THIS SITE VERSUS DEVELOPING ON OUR NEW PROPERTY.
UH, AS WITH ANY, UH, USE VARIANCE, THE NEGATIVE CRITERIA HAS TO BE SATISFIED THAT THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD AND NO SUBSTANTIAL IMPAIRMENT IN THE INTENT OR PURPOSE SUPER ZONE PLAN.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T THINK THE THERE'S ANY SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD HERE.
I THINK THE PLAN AS PROPOSED CORRECTS A LOT OF DEFICIENCIES ON THE SITE.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T WANNA BEAT A DEAD HORSE THERE, BUT CURB CUTS OUTDOOR STORAGE, UNDERSIZED BUILDING LANDSCAPING ISSUES, UM, AND IT RESULTS IN A SITE THAT OPERATES AND APPEARS BETTER THAN THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UM, THE OPERATIONAL ACTIVITIES ARE CONSISTENT WITH WHAT WE TESTIFIED TO IN 2022.
I WENT THROUGH THAT RESOLUTION AND I LISTENED TO MARK'S TESTIMONY, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE ONE TRACTOR TRAILER PER DAY.
UH, I THINK THE, THE OPERATIONAL, UM, PARTICULARS ARE, ARE CONSISTENT IN TERMS OF HOURS, UM, UH, THE USE AND OPERATIONS AND SECURITY ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THE, THE DIMENSIONAL RELIEF THAT WE'RE REQUESTING, UM, THAT WE'LL DISCUSS IN THE C TWO CONTEXT.
UH, FOR THE BULK VARIANCES, UH, DOESN'T OBSCURE SITE LINES.
UM, IT'S, UH, IT'S WHERE IT RUNS PARALLEL TO THE TWO LOTS, 21 AND 22.
IT'S, UH, SORT OF A TECHNICAL DEVIATION THAT DOESN'T REALLY IMPACT, IMPACT ANY OF THE OTHER NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES OTHER THAN THE ONE THAT'S PARTY TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I THINK THE BOARD COULD REASONABLY FIND THAT, UM, THE, UH, THE BENEFITS OF THIS, UH, EXPANSION OF THE NOT PERFORMING USE, UH, WOULD, UM, UH, SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT.
AND THERE'S REALLY NO IMPAIRMENT OF THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF YOUR ZONE PLAN, UH, OR ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, THE BULK VARIANCES, UH, I MEAN CERTAINLY THE, THE, THE BOARD COULD FIND THAT THE BULK VARIANCES BY NATURE OF THIS NON-CONFORMING USE ARE SOMEWHAT SUBSUMED WITHIN THIS USE VARIANCE.
BUT I ALSO THINK THAT, UH, THERE'S PLENTY OF JUSTIFICATION UNDER THE C TWO CRITERIA FOR, FOR THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, AND, AND, AND SOME C ONE, UH, UH, ASPECTS AS WELL, GIVEN THE, THE, UH, PARTICULARS OF, OF THE, UH, THE SITE LAYOUT.
SO THE, THE FRONT YARD SETBACKS I MENTIONED TO BOTH PROPERTIES, UH, THAT'S A DEFICIENCY, UM,
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THAT EXISTS BECAUSE OF THE CONSTRAINED TRIANGULAR CONFIGURATION OF THE, OF, OF THE LOT.UM, AND ALSO IS EXACERBATED A LITTLE BIT BY US PROVIDING THE PROPER RIGHT OF WAY TO, TO THE TOWNSHIP, UM, AS ADDITIONAL DEDICATION, UM, THE, UH, THE, THE HARTFORD ROAD SETBACK AT, AT 13 AND A HALF FEET.
UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, APPROACHES MORE CLOSELY WITH THE, THE RHC STANDARDS THAT ARE REFERENCED IN, IN THE TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP LETTER, UH, WHERE THAT LETTER COMPARES THE, UH, EXISTING BULK REGULATIONS, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND THE BULK REGULATIONS FOR THE GMS ZONE TO THIS RHC ZONE, WHICH WAS CONTEMPLATED FOR THIS AREA TO MEMORIALIZE WHAT WAS RECOGNIZED AS THE EXISTING CONDITION, THE 25 FEET THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED.
THERE IS A LITTLE CLOSER, UM, BUT STILL REQUIRES SOME RELIEF.
UM, BUILDING COVERAGE, AGAIN, WE'RE SLIGHTLY OVER ON BUILDING COVERAGE, 15% PER PROVIDED VERSUS 12% PER MINUTE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE, UH, AGAIN, CONSISTENT WITH THE, UH, 20% FAR, UH, THAT WOULD BE CONTEMPLATED ON THE RHC DISTRICT.
UM, LOT COVERAGE, AGAIN, WE'RE OVER ON THE LOT COVERAGE, BUT A SIGNIFICANT REDUCTION, UM, FROM WHAT THE EXISTING CONDITION IS AND FAIRLY CLOSE TO THE 50% MAXIMUM THAT WOULD BE PERMITTED UNDER THE RHC STANDARDS.
SO WE'RE AT 50 56 0.9 VERSUS WHAT WOULD BE PERMITTED IS 50% UNDER, UNDER THAT, UH, ZONING STANDARD.
AND THEN, AS I SAID, THE SIDE OR REAR LOT LINE, UM, MAKES IT DIFFICULT TO, TO STRICTLY CLASSIFY THAT AS THE SIDE ARREAR.
BUT, UH, UNDER EITHER CLASSIFICATION, UM, YOU KNOW, THAT AND THE DRY AISLE SEPARATION ARE, ARE INTERNAL TO THE SITE.
UM, AND, UH, AND I THINK IT'S, UH, SUBSTANTIAL IMPROVEMENT OF, OF WHAT EXISTS TODAY.
SO FOR EACH OF THOSE DEVIATIONS, UM, I THINK THE BENEFITS, THE IMPROVED SITE ORGANIZATION, THE REDUCED IMPERVIOUS, UH, THE ELIMINATION OF THE OUTDOOR STORAGE, THE SAFER SITE CIRCULATION, THOSE IMPROVEMENTS, ALTHOUGH NOT PERFECT, CERTAINLY, UH, I THINK, UH, ARE, UH, REPRESENT BENEFITS THAT OUTWEIGH, UM, ANY PERCEIVED DETRIMENTS.
AND I THINK IT'D BE APPROPRIATE AS WITH THE D TWO, UH, USE VARIANCE TO, UM, TO ALLOW THOSE, UH, THOSE BULK VARIANCES AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION AS WELL.
UM, IS THERE AN ELEMENT OF UNDUE HARDSHIP TO THIS OPPOSED TO CD AREAS JUST BASED ON THE SHAPE OF THIS PROPERTY, THE VERY DIFFERENT SITE WORK, IS IT NOT? ABSOLUTELY.
YEAH, AND I, AND I THINK THAT, UH, YOU KNOW, OTHER O OTHER USES MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE.
UH, OTHER PERMITING USES MIGHT NOT BE COMPATIBLE BECAUSE OF, OF THE, OF THE MULTIPLE SITE FRONTAGES BECAUSE OF THE COMMERCIAL ACTIVITIES THAT SURROUND IT.
UH, AND CERTAINLY WE THINK IT'S MORE EFFICIENT TO CONTINUE THIS USE.
FOLKS KNOW THAT IT'S HERE, IT'S VERY SUCCESSFUL.
UM, WE THINK THIS, THE, THE, WE RECOGNIZE THESE ARE NECESSARY AND LONG OVERDUE IMPROVEMENTS, BUT WE THINK, UM, YOU KNOW, IT'D BE, UH, UN UNBEARABLE HARDSHIP TO, TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, FOR EXAMPLE, THE, THE REQUIRED 50 YARD, 50 FOOT FRONT YARD, UH, SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
IT WOULD RESULT IN A BUILDING THAT'S NOT USABLE.
SO I THINK THERE'S CERTAINLY SOME, SOME HARDSHIP ASPECT THERE AS WELL.
AND ARE YOU AWARE OF THAT THERE WAS A COURT DECISION IN BURLINGTON COUNTY THAT FOUND THAT A WILL DONATION DROP OFF IS INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE? I'M, I'M AWARE OF THAT.
UM, AS THE BOARD MAY KNOW THAT THE, THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW ENUMERATES, UH, SEVERAL, UH, USES THAT IT DEEMS TO BE INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL IN AS MUCH AS THEY ARE GENERALLY SEEN TO AUTOMATICALLY, UH, BEN BENEFIT THE, UH, GENERAL WELFARE, SO CHURCHES, SCHOOLS AND THAT SORT OF THING.
UM, BUT THE STATUTE DOESN'T LIMIT, UM, LIMIT THE BOARD TO FINDING INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USES TO ONLY THOSE THAT ENUMERATES.
AND IN THIS CASE, THERE WAS, THERE WAS A RECENT COURT DECISION, UM, THAT SPECIFICALLY FOUND THAT THE GOODWILL DROP OFF CENTER, UH, BECAUSE OF THE COMMUNITY NEED, BECAUSE OF THE OVERALL BENEFIT THAT IT PROVIDES TO THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF THE ADDITIONAL TRAINING SERVICES THAT IT THEN, UH, PAYS FOR, UH, THEY, THEY FOUND THAT TO BE AN INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE, UH, A DROP OFF CENTER JUST LIKE THIS.
AND WE'LL, WE'LL JUST SEND HER INTO THE RECORD AS EXHIBIT MS B THREE OR EXHIBIT, UM, I MARKED ONE OF THESE.
WELL, LET'S, LET'S, LET'S FOLLOW THE SITE.
PLAN A THREE AND YOU'LL BE UP TO FOUR.
THAT'S, THIS IS JUST THE BOARD HAS ANY QUESTIONS FOR MR. NANCY?
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DID YOU EVALUATE ANY OTHER CONFIGURATIONS? WE, WE PLAYED WITH THIS A BIT, YES.UH, AND WE HAD SOME WORKSHOP MEETINGS OVER THE YEARS, UH, WITH, WITH THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS.
I THINK THAT'S, UM, HOW WE ARRIVE AT, AT, AT THE PLAN THAT WE HAVE HERE.
UM, YOU KNOW, CERTAINLY THE ONE WAY CIRCULATION, UH, WE, WE HAD, UH, YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE 2022 PLAN HAD PARKING, SO IT HAD, THE BUILDING SORT OF SHIFTED CLOSER TO HARTFORD AND HAD PARKING OUT IN FRONT HERE.
BUT THERE'S, THERE'S BEEN SOME ITERATIONS, UM, AND, AND WE FELT THAT THIS, UH, THIS LAYOUT DID THE BEST BALANCING ACT OF SATISFYING THE SITE NEEDS, UM, USING THE LAND THAT'S AVAILABLE TO US, UH, TO EXECUTE THAT.
UM, AND, AND ALSO INCORPORATING FEEDBACK THAT WE GOT THROUGH THE YEARS FROM THE PROFESSIONALS FROM THE PUBLIC ON HOW WE WANT THIS SITE TO LOOK.
I CAN SEE THAT THEY HAVE THE SILT FENCING UP FOR WHEN THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING THE SITE WORK.
THE PROPOSED FENCE IS GONNA BE POST ON RAIL.
IS THAT ONLY ON THE ONE SIDE SEPARATING THE, THE TWO LOTS? CORRECT.
AND THEN IT LOOKS LIKE YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE A BUFFER SET UP IN BETWEEN THERE, CORRECT? YEAH.
SO THERE'S SIX FOOT HIGH EVERGREEN TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLANTED ALL, ALL ALONG THAT COMMON LOT.
LINE OUTTA CURIOSITY IS A REASON WHY IT'S A POST AND RAIL AND NOT A SOLID PRIVACY.
UM, NOT TO PUT TOO FINE A POINT ON IT, BUT I THINK THAT'S WHAT MICHELLE AND I ASKED, TALKED, TALKED ABOUT
UM, I, I THINK THE, THE PUTTING A SIX FOOT, THIS IS MY PERSONAL OPINION, AND, UM, SHE CERTAINLY OPINE AND, AND OFFER HERS.
UH, I THINK PUTTING A A SIX FOOT HIGH SOLID FENCE THERE WOULD IMPAIR THE FUNCTION AND GROWTH OF THOSE.
AND I THINK FUNCTIONALLY THE, THE, THE, UH, THE EVERGREENS ARE, ARE MORE USEFUL THERE.
UM, I THINK IT ALSO ALLOWS YOU TO MAINTAIN THEM BETTER, NOT HAVING THEM GROW RIGHT UP AGAINST A SIX FOOT HIGH FENCE.
UH, I'M, I'M AGNOSTIC ON THAT.
UH, CERTAINLY WE WOULD ALSO NEED TO REDUCE THE SIZE OF IT BECAUSE WE HAVE A LOT OF THE FENCE AREA IS, IS WITHIN THE FRONT YARD.
SO EVERYTHING FROM HERE DOWN AND HERE UP TECHNICALLY THE FRONT YARD.
SO WE WOULD ONLY BE ABLE TO HAVE THREE OR FOUR FOOT FENCE, WHATEVER THE ORDINANCE PERMITS WITHIN THAT AREA ANYWAY.
I THINK A AESTHETICALLY FUNCTIONALLY, UH, UH, A POST RAIL FENCE THERE WORKS A LITTLE BETTER IN CONCERT WITH, WITH THE PLANTINGS.
YOU AGREE, MICHELLE? I, I DO, I I THINK, YOU KNOW, BECAU TO, TO MR. MANE'S POINT THE DRIVEWAY AT BOTH ENDS OF THE BUILDING, HAVING THAT SIX FOOT FENCE, I THINK WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS, IS FRAME THE BUILDING WITH LANDSCAPE MATERIAL AND WE'RE TRYING TO THEN BUFFER THE REAR LOADING AREA WITH LANDSCAPE MATERIAL.
AND I THINK LIKE, TO PUT A WHITE FENCE THERE, LIKE MAKES ME SHUTTER A BIT.
BUT YOU KNOW, I, I, I GUESS YOU COULD PUT IT A SIX FOOT FENCE IF YOU REALLY WANTED TO, BUT IT WOULDN'T REALLY BE ALONG THE WHOLE WAY NECESSARILY, WHERE IT'D HAVE TO GIVE VARIANCES TO DO THAT.
AND I DON'T KNOW IF YOU HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THERE BEING A SIX FOOT FENCE, PARTICULARLY ON THE OLD HARTON PIKE SIDE.
LIKE IT WOULD HAVE TO TAPER DOWN ANYWAY.
UM, IS THAT TRIANGLE POSSIBLE? YEAH, IT WOULD HAVE TO TAPER DOWN IN, UP AT OLD MARLTON PIKE.
IT'LL GO IN WITH THE, UH, ONE COLORED BUILDING.
MY ONLY THOUGHT WAS SINCE IT'S GONNA BE SUBDIVIDED AND YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TRACTOR TRAILERS, IF THE, IF THE HOUSE WAS SOLD AT SOME POINT, IT WOULD PROVIDE THAT LITTLE BIT OF BUFFER FROM THE, JUST FROM NOISE.
THAT, THAT WAS THE ONLY, THE THOUGHT, NOT NECESSARILY THAT IT HAD TO BE DIFFERENT.
WE'RE, WE'RE HOPING THAT THE LANDSCAPE MATERIAL DOES THAT JOB.
ANY OTHER PLANNING QUESTIONS FOR MR? YES.
UM, HAVE WE TALKED ABOUT THE, UH, SANITATION FACILITIES? UH, THOSE NEED BE CHARACTERIZED, AND THEN ANY, UH, GROUND MOUNTED OR ROOF IT TRANSFORMERS? SO THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE A BATHROOM IN THE BUILDING.
UM, THAT'S, UH, FOR, FOR EMPLOYEES TECHNICALLY OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT AGAIN, GENERALLY FOLKS ARE NOT GOING IN THERE.
UM, BUT IT, THEY'LL BE HOOKED UP TO PUBLIC SEWER AS, AS IS, UM, THE EXISTING RESIDENCE ON NOT 21.
UM, I'LL LET DAN SPEAK TO EQUIPMENT, BUT CERTAINLY OUR INTENTION IS TO COMPLY WITH ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS IN TERMS OF SCREENING AND SO FORTH.
DID I COVER THAT SUFFICIENTLY? FOR NOW? FOR NOW? OKAY.
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UH, I, I, I WANNA CIRCLE BACK TO THE SIGNAGE.I, I PROMISE THAT I WOULD TOUCH ON THE SIGNAGE.
AND I, AND I FORGOT TO CIRCLE BACK TO THAT.
SO PROPOSING TWO WALL SIGNS, THEY'RE EACH 33.6 SQUARE FEET AS PROPOSED ONE'S FACING HARFORD ROAD, THAT'S THE SOUTHWEST ELEVATION.
AND ONE'S, I THINK ON THE, ON THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF THE CYCLE, WE'LL HAVE DAN CONFIRM THAT, UM, THE SIGNS AREN'T CONSISTENT WITH, WITH ANY OF THE RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY SIGN STANDARDS.
UM, AND SO THEREFORE WE NEED A, A, A VARIANCE TO, TO PERMIT THOSE TWO SIGNS.
WHATEVER TYPE OF COMMERCIAL SIGN YOU PUT IN IS GONNA NEED A VARIANCE.
SO THERE, THERE ARE SOME STANDARDS, UM, WITHIN, AGAIN, GOING BACK TO THIS RHC DISTRICT ZONING AS A POINT OF COMPARISON, WHERE IT ALLOWS, UH, A WALL SIGNS UP TO 12% OF, UH, THE WALL SURFACE AREA ON WHICH IT'S ATTACHED.
SO BASED ON MY CALCULATIONS, THE, OUR FACADE, WHICH IS 75 FEET ALONG THE LONG SIDE OF THE BUILDING AND 12 FOOT EIGHT INCHES, UH, UP TO UP TO THE ROOF LINE, UH, WE'D BE SOMEWHERE AROUND THREE POINT A HALF PERCENT OF, UH, OF THE WALL AREA ON THE LONG SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
SO THAT'S LESS THAN A THIRD OF WHAT THAT OTHER ORDINANCE SECTION, UH, I THINK 5 26 S WOULD ALLOW IF THIS WAS, UH, A, A CONFORMING RHC USE.
SO I THINK GENERALLY THE, THE SIGNS THAT ARE PROPOSED ARE APPROPRIATE TO SORT OF IDENTIFY THE SITE IN A CONTINUOUS WAY.
HOPEFULLY THERE'S NEW FOLKS THAT ARE COMING HERE TO DONATE.
WE WANNA LET 'EM KNOW WHAT IT IS, ESPECIALLY BECAUSE WE'RE, THE AESTHETICS OF THE SITE AREN'T GONNA LOOK LIKE GOODWILL LOOKS LIKE TODAY.
UM, YOU KNOW, WE HOPE THE BUILDING SORT OF FITS IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IT DOESN'T, UM, LOOK LIKE AN INDUSTRIAL BUILDING, BUT WE, THE SIGN IS THERE IS APPROPRIATE TO JUST CONTINUE TO IDENTIFY THE SITE.
AND WE THINK IT'S, UM, PRETTY MODEST IN COMPARISON WITH THE BUILDING SIZE.
THE LIGHTING ON THE SIGNAGE WILL BE, UH, EXTERNALLY ILLUMINATED.
SO WE'LL MAKE SURE THAT THE REVISED PLAN CLARIFIES THAT AND SHOWS WHAT THAT, UH, EXTERNAL ILLUMINATION ON THE, UM, THE SIGN LOOKS LIKE.
I THINK THAT PART IS, WOULD BE COMPLIANT WITH, UM, UH, WHAT THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES.
UH, THERE IS NO OTHER MONUMENT SIGN THAT'S PROPOSED FOR THE SITE.
ALRIGHT, NOW I THINK I'M DONE PENDING ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD HAS.
SO EXTERIOR LIGHT WISE, THERE'S JUST TWO WALL PACKS AND TWO, TWO POST LAMPS.
I'M NOT LOOKING AT THE SITE PLAN RIGHT NOW, BUT THAT SOUND THAT SOUNDS ABOUT RIGHT.
YEAH, I MEAN, AND, AND, AND THAT'S BECAUSE WE'RE LIMITING THE LIGHTING TO THIS PARKING AREA.
SO WE HAVE A, A SORT OF A, A DEFINED PARKING AND, AND, UH, AND DRIVE AISLE AREA.
WE DON'T NEED TO LIGHT UP THE FRONT OF THE SITE, UM, YOU KNOW, OTHER THAN, OTHER THAN THE, THE BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTING FOR, UM, TO ELIMINATE THE SIGN.
BUT I THINK YEAH, THAT, THAT'S ADEQUATE TO SERVE THE SITE.
AND THEY GENERALLY CLOSE BY SIX O'CLOCK.
SO A LOT OF THE YEAR, A LOT OF THE YEAR PROBABLY DON'T NEED TO NEED LIGHTING, LIKE JUST LONG AFTER CLOSE.
AND, AND AS, AS I SAID EARLIER, WE, WE, WE WOULD AGREE TO WHATEVER APPROPRIATE CONDITIONS THE BOARD WANTS TO IMPOSE IN TERMS OF REDUCING THE LIGHTING AFTER, AFTER OUR HOURS.
MR. ANNA SOKE, STATE YOUR NAME, THE RECORD.
AND GIVE US YOUR CREDENTIALS, PLEASE.
YEAH, I'M, UH, I'M WITH BEAUMONT CONSULTING.
I HAVE OVER 35 YEARS EXPERIENCE IN TRAFFIC AND TRANSPORTATION ENGINEERING.
UM, LICENSED IN THREE STATES, NEW JERSEY, NEW YORK, AND DELAWARE.
I'VE TESTIFIED BEFORE SEVERAL BOARDS, UM, IN NEW JERSEY.
I'M ALSO A TRAFFIC PROFESSIONAL FOR SOME BOATS AT PRINCETON IN NEW JERSEY.
UH, I BELIEVE I'VE BEEN SOME HEARINGS WITH, UH, THE TRAFFIC PROFESSIONAL HERE, UH, MR. NORTH.
AND YOUR LICENSE? MY LICENSES ARE STILL IN GOOD STANDARD.
AND HAVE YOU EVALUATED THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ON PARKER ROAD? MULTIPLE TON PI? YES, WE DID.
AND YOU DID A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR IT? YES.
AND WHAT WERE YOUR FINDINGS? SO, UM, TYPICALLY IF A SITE, IT'S, UM, IT'S PROPOSED.
IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT EXISTING, IT'S A LITTLE BIT MORE COMPLEX BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO ESTIMATE TRAFFIC AND OPERATIONS.
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UM, THE BEAUTY OF THIS SITE IS THAT IT'S EXISTING, SO WE KNOW HOW IT'S OPERATING, UM, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS THAT, UM, WE HAVE NOW, UH, YOU HAVE UNCONTROLLED UNREGULATED, UH, ACCESS ON BOTH SIDES ON, UH, HARD FOR ROAD ROAD.THE DRIVEWAY OPENING IS, UH, BARELY 35 FEET FROM THE NORTH NORTHBOUND STOP LINE.
SOON PEOPLE CAN START ENTERING INTO THE SITE ON MOUNTAIN OLD MOUNTAIN ROAD.
UH, YOU HAVE ABOUT 95 FEET OF, UH, UH, FRONTAGE THAT IS UNCONTROLLED.
UH, I SAT THERE SEVERAL TIMES.
THEY, IT IS NO DEFINED PATH THAT, UH, ENTRY AND EXIT.
UM, SO, UM, IT IS, UM, I WON'T CALL IT A NIGHTMARE, BUT IT, IT'S NOT IDEAL.
UH, IT'S UNCONTROLLED OR UNREGULATED.
WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING NOW IS THE MORE CONTROLLED INGRESS FROM HARTFORD AND THEN EGRESS FROM OLD MOUNTAIN.
UM, WE HAD TWO REVIEW COMMENTS FROM YOUR PROFESSIONAL.
THE FIRST ONE, UH, REQUIRED US TO ANALYZE THE INTERSECTION OF OLD MARTIN AND HARFORD.
THE INITIAL EVALUATION WE DID, WE DIDN'T ANALYZE IT BECAUSE WE THOUGHT, UM, THE EXISTING TRAFFIC WILL REMAIN, WHICH IT WILL REMAIN.
BUT THEN BECAUSE OF THE REROUTING OR REASSIGNMENT OF THE TRAFFIC, 'CAUSE OF THE NEW EGRESS AND, UH, EGRESS, WE'LL HAVE TO ANALYZE THE INTERSECTION, UH, FOR THE AM AND THE PM P PERIODS.
AND, UH, WE FOUND VERY LITTLE CHANGES IN DELAYS, UH, IN SOME MOVEMENTS, MAYBE TWO SECONDS INCREASE IN SOME MOVEMENTS, UH, COUPLE OF SECONDS, UH, LESS.
UM, BUT THE OVERALL LEVEL OF SERVICE, UH, REMAINS UNCHANGED.
AND, UM, AT, AT THAT INTERSECTION, BOTH FOR THE A AM PM AGAIN, THE ASSUMPTION FOR THE AM WAS THAT THE SITE WILL BE OPEN AS IT WAS BEFORE FROM 8:00 AM WELL, AS YOU HEARD FROM THE TESTIMONY, NOW, UM, THE NEW HOURS WILL BE FROM 9:00 AM SO THE AM PEAK HOUR WILL NOT AFFECT THE SITE AS MUCH BECAUSE THE SITE WON'T BE OPEN.
SO, UH, THE, THE ANALYSIS WERE ACTUALLY DID, YOU CAN CONSIDER THAT TO BE CONSERVATIVE, BUT EVEN THEN, THE LEVEL OF SERVICE WILL REMAIN UNCHANGED.
AND I BELIEVE DID MR. KNOWLES ANALYSIS REPORT TALK ABOUT ALMOST, I DO NOT BLOCK A BOX IN FRONT OF THE HARFORD ROAD ENTRANCE? WELL, HE, HE HAD A CONCERN ABOUT LEFT ARMS GOING INTO HARTFORD.
AND, AND HIS CONCERN, HE'S AN OPEN QUEUE, ESSENTIALLY.
BECAUSE OF THE EXISTING QUEUE ON THE NORTHBOUND BLOCKING THE ACCESS INTO THE SIDE.
AND THAT'S A LEGITIMATE CONCERN.
UH, UH, WE, WE WENT BACK AND LOOKED AT IT AND, UM, LEFT ON, I MEAN, HE HAD SUGGESTED THAT, UH, WE WILL USE THE CHANNELIZING ISLAND, THE, THE CRUSH HATCH AREA, USE THAT AS A, A STORAGE FOR LEFT ARMS. BUT JUST LOOKING AT IT, IT, IT WASN'T ENOUGH, UH, TO UH, PROVIDE ENOUGH, UH, STORAGE.
IT'S PROBABLY GOING TO BE ONE VEHICLE AT ALL TO MAKE THAT LEFT TURN.
AND THEN THE CONFLICT OF BACK TO BACK, UH, STORAGE, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT USING THE CHANNELIZING, UH, CAR FROM THE NORTHBOUND LEFT ONTO MOUNTAIN, THAT'S THAT, UH, CROSS AREA THAT IS BEING SUGGESTED.
SO WE LOOKED AT IT AND WOULDN'T THINK, UM, UH, IT WILL INTRODUCE A LITTLE BIT MORE CONFLICT THAN IT EXISTS NOW.
AND BASED ON THE NUMBER OF, UH, VEHICLES THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE TURNING IN, WE, WE TALKED, WE SUGGESTED THAT PERHAPS PUTTING A, UM, UH, DO
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NOT BLOCK INTERSECTION, UH, UH, SIGN OR PAVEMENT, UH, MARKING MIGHT BE, UH, WILL BE, UH, THE BEST APPROPRIATE, UH, TREATMENT AT THIS LOCATION.AND, UH, MR. NOLL SEEMS TO AGREE WITH THAT.
AND, AND YOU'VE HEARD THAT THE, THE COMMENTS TESTIMONY REGARDING TRACTOR TRAILER TRAFFIC.
DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS CONCERNING THAT? UM, I'M GONNA ALIGN WITH WHAT MR. NOR SAYS TOO.
UH, I THINK WE CAN, UH, THE CURVATURE THERE, WE CAN, UH, EITHER PULL IT BACK A LITTLE BIT MORE.
UH, THE LEFT LEFTHAND FROM THE SOUTHBOUND HARTFORD WILL BE A LOT BETTER FOR THE TRACTOR TRAILERS TO GET INTO THE SIDE.
AND IF THAT DOESN'T WORK, THEN THEN SMALLER SIZE TRUCKS.
YEAH, WE CAN USE SMALLER SIZE.
SO WE'RE WILLING TO WORK WITH THE MR. NO'S OFFICE.
AND, AND, AND WE, WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE, ONE TRUCK A DAY PER DAY.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A WAREHOUSE KIND OF.
AND, AND IS, UH, LIMITING ANY TRACTOR TRAILER DELIVERIES BETWEEN THE HOURS OF 10:00 AM AND 2:00 PM A BETTER TIME FOR, FOR ALLOWING YOU IT'S, THAT'S NOT, YEAH, THAT, THAT WOULD BE MORE HELPFUL TOO.
IF A CAR'S COMING DOWN HARTFORD ROAD SOUTHBOUND MAKING A LEFT INTO THE SITE, STOP THERE, MEET, WAITING FOR AN OPENING, IS THERE ROOM FOR ANOTHER CAR TO GO AROUND IT? UM, I BELIEVE THERE IS PRETTY WIDE THERE.
SO IT'S GOT THE HASHES ALREADY.
THEY'RE TAKING SOME OF THAT, RIGHT? YEAH.
BUT HAVE MAYBE WHEN THE 18 WHEELER COMES IN THERE TO MAKE A LEFT? UH, PROBABLY NOT.
THE, UH, EGRESS ON OLD ARLINGTON, WILL THAT ALLOW FOR RIGHT HAND TURNS AND LEFT HAND TURNS? OR DOES THAT LIKE, THAT'S THAT'S THE, THAT'S THE PLAN.
CAN I ASK YOUR OPINION AGAIN MR. NOEL? IF YOU'RE MAKING A LEFT HAND TURN ON ALL MODEL PIKE OUT OF THIS EGRESS, HOW OFTEN DO YOU FEEL THE BACKED UP TRAFFIC FROM THE TRAFFIC LIGHT WILL ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN? IT DEPENDS ON THE TIME OF DAY.
UM, AS UH, WAS STATED THAT THE PEAK HOURS FOR THE GOODWILL ARE NOT THE SAME AS THE PEAK HOURS FOR THE INTERSECTIONS.
HOWEVER, YOU DON'T NEED A PEAK HOUR FOR THAT TO BACK UP.
IT COULD, YOU ONLY NEED TWO OR THREE, FOUR CARS.
SO IS IT YOUR, THEY'LL HAVE TO WAIT ON SITE BEFORE THEY CAN GET OUT TO MAKE THAT LEFT? IN MY MIND, I'M JUST THINKING IS IT WORTH SAYING, YOU KNOW, WHATEVER THOSE PEAK HOURS ARE NO LEFT HAND TURN DURING THOSE TWO HOURS OR WHATEVER.
IS IT WORTH CONSIDERING SOMETHING LIKE THAT? OR IS THAT THERE'S NOT REALLY A PEAK FOR DONATIONS THAT NORMALLY DOES NOT WORK? YEAH.
LIKE PEOPLE DON'T ABIDE BY THAT.
THEY, TIME OF THEIR RESTRICTIONS, THEY, PEOPLE DON'T, I DON'T ABIDE, THEY DON'T LOOK AT THIS
MY CONCERN ISN'T REALLY AS MUCH FOR THE EGRESS.
'CAUSE ONCE THEY'RE IN THERE, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO WAIT TO TURN.
MY MY, MY MORE, MY CONCERN IS, IS FOR THE INGRESS IS, I KNOW I THINK BOTH OF YOU SPOKE ABOUT IT'S GONNA BE EASIER FOR PEOPLE TO COME AROUND BASICALLY, ESPECIALLY WHETHER IT'S A STRAIGHT JOB OR WHETHER IT'S A TRACTOR TRAILER FOR THEM TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THE RIGHT IN.
BECAUSE THEN WE'RE NOT GONNA BE, THERE'S NO EFFECT ON THE TRAFFIC AT THAT POINT.
BECAUSE IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET OFF, IF THEY'RE TRYING TO GET IN THERE AND REGARDLESS OF THE SIZE OF THE TRACTOR TRAILER, IF THEY'RE ALWAYS MAKING A RIGHT IN, IT'S NEVER GONNA IMPEDE TRAFFIC.
BECAUSE THEY'RE JUST WAITING TO GET OFF.
UM, AND WE'RE ALSO GONNA NOT HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT ANY ISSUES WITH PEOPLE STOP TRYING TO MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN IN.
IS I, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT THIS SUGGESTION EVEN MAKES ANY SENSE OR, OR OR WHAT THE, WHAT THE THOUGHTS ARE.
BUT IS IT ALMOST WORTH FOR THE, FOR ANY TRUCKS COMING IN TO HAVE TO BE ABLE TO MAKE THAT RIGHT HAND TURN IN AND THEN BE, 'CAUSE IF IT'S A CAR COMING IN, IT'S NOT THAT BIG OF A DEAL, SOMEBODY WOULD BE ABLE TO GET AROUND IT.
I'D LIKE TO SEE THE UH, TRUCK TURNING THE TEMPLATES AND SEE WHAT THEY COME UP WITH TO DETERMINE IF THAT'S A PROBLEM OR NOT.
UM, AND IF IT IS, I THINK THEY COULD PROBABLY, IT'S ONLY ONE TRUCK A DAY.
I'M SURE THEY CAN INSTRUCT THEIR TRUCK TO COME IN FROM UH, NORTHBOUND AND GO AND MAKE THAT.
BUT WE CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND WE'LL HAVE TO MEASURE, MEASURE THE WIDTH OF PARK ROAD IN THAT AREA.
I'M NOT SURE ABOUT A TRUCK THOUGH.
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WE CAN LOOK AT THAT.I MEAN THAT'S WHAT ONE THING WE WILL LOOK AT.
SO WAS YOUR RECOMMENDATION TO LIMIT THAT ENTRANCE FOR A SPECIFIC FOOTAGE OR SOMETHING? LIKE WHY IS IT NOT FLARED COMPLETELY STRAIGHT ALMOST TO HARTFORD ROAD? WE WERE TRYING TO MAKE IT SO THAT IT WAS A TURN YOU'RE COMING NORTHBOUND ON HARTFORD, THAT YOU'D HAVE TO SLOW DOWN TO MAKE THAT TURN RATHER THAN ZIP.
THAT WAS, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S AN ISSUE.
THAT'S AN ISSUE ON THAT CORNER.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF SIGNS THAT, THAT DISCOURAGE PEOPLE FROM USING THAT LOT AS A CUT THROUGH.
AND THIS WILL, THIS WILL MITIGATE A LOT OF THAT.
I WAS JUST GONNA BRING THAT UP.
'CAUSE RIGHT NOW DON'T, DOESN'T GOODWILL PUT SOME SORT OF BARRIER THERE YEAH.
FOR PEOPLE THE CONES UP EVERY EVENING DRIVE BY THE SITE TWICE A DAY.
WHEN THAT WAS A GAS STATION AND BEFORE WE UH, INCREASED THE RADIUS THERE AT MAKING RIGHT HAND TURN FROM HARTFORD TO MARTIN PIKE BECAUSE THE SCHOOL BUSES WOULD GO RIGHT THROUGH THE GAS STATION.
'CAUSE HE COULDN'T MAKE THAT RIGHT TURN.
BUT THEN WE DON'T WANT PEOPLE GOING THROUGH THIS SITE.
BUT IF IT'S, I DON'T KNOW, THINK ANYBODY'S GONNA GO THROUGH THAT THIS SITE BECAUSE I THINK IT'S A PRETTY BUSY SITE.
I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GAIN ANY TIME OF GOING THROUGH THERE.
YOU MIGHT GET STUCK GOING THROUGH THERE.
YOU MIGHT GET STUCK GOING THROUGH THERE.
SO CAN I ASK A BROADER QUESTION? AND I REALIZE THERE'S A LOT OF MATERIAL IN THIS FILE AND I DON'T HAVE THE HISTORY BACK TO 2018 OR 2022, BUT THIS IS AN OLD GAS STATION.
WHY ARE WE NOT TALKING ABOUT ANY ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES? HAVE THOSE ALL BEEN DEALT WITH PREVIOUSLY? YES.
THERE WAS A LEAK THERE, IT WAS RESOLVED AND THEY HAD A DEP NO CO-OP LETTER.
SO ALL, ALL OF THE TANKS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF IS GONE OR YES, REMEDIATED.
WHEN THEY WOULD, WHEN THEY SUBMITTED BEFORE THEY SUBMITTED ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
THAT'S WHY IF YOU LOOK IN MY LETTER, I HAD RECOMMEND THAT SUBMISSION WAIVER.
'CAUSE WE HAVE IT FROM BEFORE.
AND THERE WAS A GAS STATION ACROSS THE STREET TOO WHERE THE, THE, UH,
THAT USED TO BE GAS STATION THAT LEAK TO ALL GAS STATIONS.
THEY ALL AT SOME POINT, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS ANY MORE QUESTIONS FROM MR. ANKI? ONE MORE WITNESS.
IS THIS DESSERT? THIS IS THE DESSERT.
SO LET JUST GO THROUGH THE, UH, GO THROUGH THE PLAN HERE.
WELL, WHY DON'T WE START FIRST WITH YOUR CREDENTIALS.
UM, MY NAME IS DAN JOST FROM DJ ARCHITECTURE.
UM, I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE FROM CLEMSON UNIVERSITY.
I HAVE A BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE FROM DREXEL UNIVERSITY.
I'M LICENSED IN NEW JERSEY, PA DELAWARE, MARYLAND AMONG OTHERS.
UM, I'VE TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF MANY BOARDS ACROSS THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND OTHER STATES.
AND MY LICENSE IN, IN NEW JERSEY IS STILL IN GOOD STANDING.
AND HAVE YOU DESIGNED ARCHITECTURAL PLANS FOR OTHER GOODWILL SITES IN NEW JERSEY? I HAVE.
AND YOU PREPARE, DID YOU PREPARE THE PLANS THAT YOU'RE ABOUT TO SHOW US THIS EVENING? I DIDN'T.
AND DO YOU BELIEVE THE ARCHITECTURAL PLAN, WELL, I'LL LET YOU JUST GO AHEAD AND GIVE AN EXPLANATION.
DO YOU BELIEVE IT MEETS THE ORDINANCE, SIR? I BELIEVE IT DOES.
UM, I THINK I'LL START, I'LL START HERE WITH THE FLOOR PLAN.
SO, AND SEE WHAT A, YOU KNOW, SIMPLE BUILDING.
THIS IS, UM, ESSENTIALLY WE HAVE A DOUBLE DOOR LEADING INTO AN OFFICE.
UM, THIS IS WHERE ALL OF THE NATIONS COME IN AND THEN EVERYTHING'S STORED IN THE WAREHOUSE AND THEN THERE'S A TOILET ROOM.
I MEAN, IT'S AS SIMPLE AS YOU GET.
SO IT'S A 3000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING AND MOST OF IT IS, IS STORAGE.
SO I'M SURE YOU ALL HAVE THESE PLANS, BUT, UH, SO WE'LL MARK THAT AS WE HAVE 85 OR WE HAVE THAT YOU HAVE THIS, WE HAVE THAT.
AND DO YOU HAVE THESE AS WELL? NOT, NOT COLOR.
YOU DON'T HAVE ANY COLOR? SO THIS, THIS FIVE.
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OKAY.SO WE'VE TRIED, THIS IS NOTHING LIKE THE, UM, PROTOTYPE, UM, GOODWILL DESIGN THAT WE DID IN
UM, SO WE TRIED TO, WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS THING REALLY BLEND IN WITH THE REST OF THE TOWN AND WE TRIED TO GIVE IT THE COLORS AND THE COLOR SCHEME THAT WOULD WORK WITH, YOU KNOW, LUMBER YARD ACROSS THE STREET OR JOHNSON'S FARM OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, TRIED TO BRING IN, YOU KNOW, THE EARTH TONES WITH THE ROOF AND THE STONE.
AND I THINK, UM, YOU LOOK, THIS IS THE HARTFORD ROAD ELEVATION HERE.
UM, THIS IS BASICALLY THE BACK OF THE BUILDING OR THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING WHEN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING IS WHERE YOU BRING IN THE DONATIONS.
UH, SO BASICALLY I HAVE TWO, TWO FRONTS TO IT.
SO WE TRIED TO MAKE THE, THE HARTFORD ROAD ELEVATION ADDING INFORMERS AND TRY TO GIVE IT SOME CHARACTER.
UM, AND I DID WORK WITH MS. SCALER ON, ON THIS BACK AND FORTH THROUGH EMAIL AND WE, UH, I THINK WE CAME TO A CONCLUSION THAT THIS END UP BEING A PRETTY GOOD LOOK AND IF SHE DISAGREES, SHE DIDN'T TELL ME.
NOW WE CAN CERTAINLY MAKE, MADE SOME ADJUSTMENTS, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, I THINK, I THINK THIS FITS IN WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY AND UM, IS THE MARKET IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
SO REALLY DON'T HAVE ANYTHING MORE TO SAY ABOUT IT OTHER THAN IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER THEM.
IS THERE A RENDERING OF WHAT'S GONNA LOOK LIKE FROM THE CORNER OF OLD MARLE PIKE AND HARTFORD? LIKE THE SHORT SIDE OF THE BUILDING? LIKE I, I HAVE, I HAVE THE OTHER ELEVATIONS, UM, THAT I BELIEVE YOU HAVE IN, UH, BLACK AND WHITE.
UM, SO THIS, THESE ARE THE SHORT SIDES OF THE BUILDING.
UM, ON ONE SIDE THERE'S AN EGRESS DOOR AND I THINK THE OTHER IS THAT GONNA BE TOWARDS OMAR ON PIKE OR AWAY FROM OMAR ON PIKE? THE DOOR DOOR LAY AWAY FROM IT.
IT'S AWAY FROM IT TOWARDS THE INTERIOR, SO IT'S GONNA BE TOWARDS THE ENTRANCE.
SO REALLY BRINGING IN THE, THE RESIDENTIAL CHARACTER, YOU KNOW, OF THE SURROUNDINGS.
WE TRIED TO MAKE THIS BUILDING, YOU KNOW, FIT IN AND IT'S, YOU KNOW, DEFINITELY A BIG DIFFERENCE FROM WHAT GOODWILL'S USED TO DOING.
UM, BUT I THINK IT FITS IN WELL WITH THE COMMUNITY AND THE, THE SURROUNDINGS ARE THOSE REAL WINDOWS? THEY ARE REAL WINDOWS, BUT THEY'LL BE UM, THERE'LL BE OPA.
SO YOU DON'T SEE, SO YOU DON'T SEE ALL THE STUFF INSIDE THE, YOU DON'T SEE STORAGE.
YOU DON'T WANT TO LOOK IN THERE AND SEE THE STORAGE.
THEY'LL BE OPA WINDOWS AND UM, WINDOW FILM ON HIM.
THAT STANDING SEAM IN THE, IN THE FRONT, IN THE MIDDLE, RIGHT? THE MIDDLE SECTION STANDING SEAM? YES.
THAT'S JUST THE STANDING SEAM.
YEAH, THE REST OF IT'S ALL SHINGLES.
WHERE'S THE HVAC IN THE CAPTAIN STUFF? THAT'S ALL GONNA BE IN THE ATTIC, SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE ANYTHING ON THE ROOF THUMB.
OKAY, SO THERE IS A SECOND FLOOR BASICALLY? NO, THERE'S NO SECOND FLOOR.
IT'S JUST THE ATTIC, IT'S THIS WAREHOUSE.
SO THEY'LL HAVE AN ATTIC TRU AND THEN THEY CAN, YOU KNOW, PUT THE, I MEAN THEN THERE'S NOT MUCH IN MECHANICALS IN THIS BUILDING.
HAVE, WHAT'S THE ELECTRIC FOR THE BUILDING BE? I, I'M NOT SURE EXACTLY HOW THE ELECTRIC COMES IN.
THAT'S, UH, MAYBE MORE OF A SLIGHT QUESTION.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S GONNA BE A PAD MOUNTED TRANSFORMER OR GONNA BE OH YEAH, I MEAN HE'S LIKE 400 AMP, 600 AMP, 800 AMP.
OH, THAT'S WAY MORE RIGHT RANGE.
I WOULD, I WOULD SAY NOT 200 AMP SURFACE PROBABLY DO FOR THIS BUILDING.
YEAH, BECAUSE YOU GUYS, THERE'S NOT MUCH THERE.
IT'S PRETTY MUCH JUST THE WAREHOUSE.
THERE'S WAREHOUSE, IT'S GONNA HAVE SOME HEAT AND SOME LIGHTS.
YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S GONNA BE A SPLIT SYSTEM IN THE, UM, MAIN OFFICE AREA OR AIR CONDITIONING, BUT THE REST OF IT'S JUST HEATED.
SO WHY DOES IT LOOK LIKE THERE'S, IS THAT LIKE A HANDICAP SPOT ON THE FRONT OF THAT? THE ROAD? IT'S NOT ACTUALLY THERE THOUGH.
THE HANDICAP SPOT'S GONNA GO TO THE RIGHT DISREGARD.
IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S PARKING SPACES, BUT THAT'S JUST THE LOADING AREA, RIGHT? LOADING AREA, YES.
YOU WON'T JUST WALK INTO THE, IT'S UM, BUBBLE SLIDING DOORS, UH, STANDARD ON ALL BLUE.
SO MY PREVIOUS POINT, CAN YOU, UM, ADDRESS ANY TRANSFORMERS OR ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? THERE WILL BE NO ROOF MOUNTED EQUIPMENT.
UM, THE, I'M ASSUMING THAT THE SERVICE
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IS JUST GONNA UP, THERE'S GONNA BE A SMALL BOX AND IT'S JUST GONNA COME IN THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.UM, AND ANY, ANY ROOF UP? I MEAN, ANY HV C'S GONNA BE IN THE ATTIC COVERED.
SO YOU'LL HAVE, YOU'LL HAVE A PLUMBING VENT COMING OUT.
AND THESE ARE THE ONLY TWO SIGNS? THEY'RE THE ONLY TWO SIGNS.
SO THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A SIGN ON OLD MORAL POINT, A SIGN ON OLD MORAL? NO, NO.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE THING IS EVERYONE KNOWS WHERE THE GOOD RULE DONATION DROP OFF AND PATRONS TEND TO LIVE AND, AND MANFORD AND UH, UNLESS THEY FIND IT, WE, WE DON'T NEED A HUGE SIGN.
IT'S GOTTA BE POINTED OUT TO THEM IN THE BEGINNING.
SO NO SIGN, NO LIGHT ALSO ON THAT SIDE.
CORRECT? THERE WAS LIGHTING RIGHT THERE.
'CAUSE THERE'S NO SIGN ON THAT SIDE OF OLD MAR BIKE RIGHT ON THE SHORT SIDE THERE.
SO THERE'D BE NO LIGHTING FACING OLD MAR PIKE CAR CORNER.
DAN, CAN YOU JUST CONFIRM THE SIGNS ARE ON THE LONG SIDES? THEY'RE ON BOTH SIDES.
THEY'RE ON THE LONG SIDES ONLY, RIGHT? YEAH.
THESE TWO ELEVATIONS ARE THE ONLY TWO SIGNS.
ARE THEY LIT SIGNS OR NO? THEY WILL, I THINK, I THINK WE WERE GONNA LOOK AT DOING, UM, GOOSENECKS SO THAT THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT INTERNALLY LIT.
ANY QUESTIONS THIS WAY? ALRIGHT, I GUESS WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT TRAFFIC LIKE SIGNS FOR, I'M ASSUMING THERE'S GONNA BE ONE WAY SIGNS DO NOT ENTER SIGNS ALL OF YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
BUT ALL THE APPROPRIATE, UH, DIRECTIONAL, I DIRECTIONAL SIGN THE RIGHT WORD FOR THAT, MR. YOU FINDING SIGNS, INSTRUCTIONAL SIGNS, INSTRUCTIONAL SIGNS, TRAFFIC THAT'S IN, THAT'S IN CONTROL SIGN.
STOP SIGNS ALL THOSE SORT OF THINGS.
UH, WILL, WILL BE ON SITE AS NECESSARY.
IS THAT OUR PROFESSIONAL'S TURN? MS. TAYLOR.
UM, I KNOW THIS LETTER WAS LONG AND I APPRECIATE YOU ALL, UH, ASKING POINTED QUESTIONS WHEN REQUIRED.
UM, WE DID SORT OF TOGGLE BACK AND FORTH BETWEEN THE GMS STANDARDS AND THE RHC STANDARDS AS A COMPARATIVE THING.
UM, WE DO APPRECIATE, UM, THE APPLICANT'S WILLINGNESS TO WORK WITH US.
UM, THE ORIGINAL BUILDING THAT WE HAD, UH, YEARS AGO WAS A BLUE, UH, METAL BUILDING, NOT, UH, DISSIMILAR TO THE BUILDING THAT'S ON THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
UM, AND THEN THEY CAME TO US WITH SOME SPLIT FACE BLOCK THAT PROBABLY WOULD'VE LOOKED BETTER, YOU KNOW, ON ROUTE 73 SOMEWHERE.
UM, AND THEY WERE WILLING TO WORK WITH US AND WE APPRECIATE THAT.
UM, I THINK THERE ARE SOME THINGS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT THAT THEY'VE MANAGED TO ANSWER MOST OF THE QUESTIONS.
UM, I THINK WE'RE PRETTY CLEAR ON THE, THE COLORS OF THE BUILDING AND THE AWNING SIGNS.
UM, THE ONLY, THE ONLY ISSUE THAT THAT REALLY HASN'T BEEN ADDRESSED, AND I DON'T REALLY KNOW COMPLETELY HOW TO DO THAT, UM, IS THE ADJACENT LOT.
THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF WORK OUT THERE.
THERE'S A LOT OF DEBRIS AND STONE.
AND I KNOW THAT'S NOT NECESSARILY THEIR ISSUE.
UM, BUT IT WOULD BE NICE TO SORT OF, UM, GET THAT SITE TO BE, UM, RESTORED IN SOME KIND OF WAY.
THERE WERE A LOT OF TREES THAT WERE REMOVED.
UM, AND I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'VE BEEN ABLE TO TALK TO THE OWNER ABOUT THAT.
WE, WE CAN TALK TO 'EM, BUT I MEAN, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S SORT OF LIKE YOU CAN'T REQUIRE A, A DEVELOP A DEVELOPER TO ACQUIRE AN OFFSITE EASEMENT 'CAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THE OTHER SIDE'S GONNA SAY.
THE, THE ACTUAL PROPERTY OWNER, THEY MAY, THEY MAY SAY NO, SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONTROL OVER THAT.
WE CAN MAKE A A, YOU KNOW, WE CAN MAKE AN EFFORT TO DO THAT.
SO I GUESS IT COULD BECOME AN ENFORCEMENT ISSUE AT SOME POINT.
UM, BUT O OTHER THAN THAT, I, I MEAN, UNLESS SOMEONE HAS SPECIFIC QUESTIONS FOR ME, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS.
THEY NEED AN EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE VARIANCE.
UM, IT'S A LITTLE LIGHTER LIFT THAN A STRAIGHT D ONE THAT, THAT HAS ALREADY OCCURRED.
I THINK, UM, WE APPRECIATE THEM ACQUIRING THE ADDITIONAL PROPERTY SO THAT THE BUFFERS ARE ON THEIR SITE AND THEY CAN CONTROL AND MAINTAIN THEM.
UM, SO I, I THINK THERE'S BEEN A LOT DONE OVER THIS OVER THE COURSE OF YEARS.
UM, THAT HAS HOPEFULLY WILL IMPROVE THE SITE AND HIDE MOST OF THE, UM, THE UTILITY AREAS FROM THE ROAD, WHICH IS, WHICH IS REALLY A BIG CONCERN.
YOU KNOW, WE ALL DRIVE BY THERE, SOME OF US TWICE A DAY.
UM, SO YEAH, I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER.
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NOLL? THANK YOU.OUR LETTER IS DATED AUGUST 27TH, 2026.
WE HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, SUBMISSION WAIVERS AND WE HAVE RECOMMENDED THEM FOR A NUMBER OF REASONS, MAINLY BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN SUBMITTED PRIOR, UH, AS PART OF PRIOR APPLICATIONS AND THEY'RE STILL RELEVANT OR THERE ARE A COUPLE OF MINOR, UH, SUBMISSIONS OR CORRECTIONS OR REVISIONS THAT THEY NEED TO MAKE, THAT THEY'VE AGREED TO.
UM, THE ONE QUESTION I DO HAVE IS WHETHER YOU'RE GONNA FILE THE SUBDIVISION BY PLAT OR BY DEED.
UH, I THINK THE PREFERENCE WILL BE FILED BY DEED UNLESS YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION.
DE'S EASIER ACTUALLY, UM, JUST FOR THE BOARD'S INFORMATION, THEY'LL, WE'LL CONDUCT A NIGHTLIGHT TEST, UH, PRIOR ISSUANCE OF ISSUANCE OF OUR CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPATION TO MAKE SURE EVERYTHING IS, UH, IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE PLAN.
THE SEWER SERVICE FOR BLOCK 1002 LOT 4.1 GIORDANO ACROSS THE STREET.
YOU HAVE TO SHOW THAT ON YOUR PLAN AND ON YOUR SUBDIVISION AS AN EASEMENT, OR IS THAT UP IN THE AIR? UH, YES, IT'S UP IN THE AIR.
UM, IT, IT, IT'S DOESN'T CONFLICT WITH ANY PROPOSED IN PERMITS FOR THE BOARD OF BENEFIT.
THERE'S, THERE'S AN OFFSITE PROPERTY ON THE OTHER SIDE OF HARTFORD ROAD THAT'S CONTEMPLATING A, A SEWER CONNECTION THROUGH LOT 21.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S APPLICATION'S GONNA HAPPEN OR NOT YET.
THAT'S PROBABLY HAS SOMETHING TO DO WITH IT SAID THAT IT DOES, IT DOESN'T IMPACT ANYTHING HERE.
BUT THERE'LL BE AN EASEMENT ON, ON LOT 21.
SO I THINK IT'D BE MORE APPROPRIATE IF AND WHEN THAT COMES TO THE BOARD BECAUSE IT COME BOARDS A SITE PLAN, UH, SHOW WE CAN TAKE CARE OF IT THEN.
UH, JUST QUICKLY THAT WILL NOT, WILL THAT IMPACT THE LANDSCAPE MATERIAL? WE'LL HAVE TO MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, MAKE SURE IT DOESN'T, YEAH.
THE, WE CAN HAVE AND THAT'S ONLY GONNA BE LIKE A INCH AND A QUARTER FORCE MAIN, SO WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT'S AWAY FROM THAT PLANT MATERIAL ON OUR PROPERTY LINE.
SO I'D RATHER LET THIS DRIVE THINGS THAN LET THE STAIRS DRIVE THINGS WITHOUT KNOWING IT'S GONNA MATTER.
AND AS, AS FAR AS THE TRAFFIC GOES AND THE SITE LAYOUT AND THE EFFICIENCY OF THE OPERATION, UM, THIS IS A MUCH, MUCH BETTER IMPROVE, UH, UH, SIGNIFICANT IMPROVEMENT OVER WHAT'S THERE ANALYSIS.
WE ALL KNOW THE ACCESSES, AS WAS STATED, ARE ARE OPEN, COME IN ANYWHERE.
THEY'RE CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTIONS, TO THE INTERSECTION.
THIS CONTROLS IT THROUGH THE REAR OF THE SITE AND THE, UH, ACCESS AND THE INGRESS AND EGRESS ARE, UH, AS FAR AWAY FROM THE INTERSECTION AS YOU CAN GET.
SO I THINK YOU'LL SEE A, A BIG IMPROVEMENT.
IT'S A TOUGH SITE, IT'S A TOUGH INTERSECTION, BUT I THINK THIS IS THE BEST THAT WE CAN GET.
MR. NO, I ADD SOMETHING WHILE YOU SAW.
UM, GENERALLY WE AGREE UNEQUIVOCALLY WITH EVERYTHING IN YOUR LETTER, BUT THAT'S GOOD.
UH, THERE, THERE WAS A COMBINE UH, WITH REGARDS TO NARROWING THE EGRESS DRIVEWAY, WHICH I THINK MADE PERFECT SENSE IN THE CONTEXT OF PLAN AS WE CONTEMPLATE, BUT YEAH, ONLY THAT WE'RE LOOKING AT CONTEMPLATING THOSE TRACTOR
WELL, WE'LL, WE'LL ADDRESS THAT WHEN WE SEE SUBJECT TO THAT, SUBJECT TO THAT.
WE DIDN'T CASE, WE DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE PEOPLE CONFUSED COMING IN OR MARTIN PIPE 'CAUSE IT'S SO WIDE THAT SOMEBODY MIGHT WANT TO COME IN THAT WAY WHEN IT'S IN AN EGRESS.
SO WE ASKED THEM TO NARROW IT, BUT WE'LL SEE WHAT THE TRAFFIC TRAILER, UM, TEMPLATES LOOK LIKE AND GO FROM THERE.
IS 21 ALREADY ON SEWER OR ARE THEY STILL SEPTIC? YES, THEY'RE ON PUBLIC SEWER.
I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IF WE DID THIS, IT WOULDN'T IMPEDE IF THEY HAD A, IF THEY HAD A YARD AND THEY HAD TO WORRY ABOUT THE, UH, THE SEPTIC.
HE CONNECTED ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO, I THINK.
THEY MADE MENTION TO PUTTING CONES UP AND BLOCKING THIS INTERSECTION.
IS THAT A VIOLATION? PUTTING WHAT UP? THE CONES TO LIKE STOP TRAFFIC AFTER HOURS.
IS THAT LIKE THEY DO OUT IN THE FRONT? THEY'RE NOT GONNA DO THAT, RIGHT? THEY'RE, I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO DO IT.
I THINK IT HAPPENS NOW 'CAUSE IT'S A MUCH MORE ATTRACTIVE CUT THROUGH.
I THINK WITHIN THE PROPOSED CONDITION IT'S MUCH, MUCH LESS ATTRACTIVE NUMBER NECESSARY.
IF WE FIND THAT THERE'S AN ISSUE, WE CAN ALWAYS ASK THEM TO DO THAT.
MAYBE NOT CONES, BUT SOMETHING ELSE.
I'M NOT SURE WHAT IT WOULD BE.
BUT WE'VE DONE, WE CAN ASK THEM TO CHAIN RIGHT.
YOU KNOW, ACROSS THE OR SOMETHING.
DO YOU HAVE, DO YOU WANT TO WAIT AND OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN FINISH OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC? OKAY.
MOTION OPEN THE PUBLIC A SECOND.
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A AYE, IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO.FRANK BECKER, 1 0 7 OLD MARLTON PIKE.
MR. BECKER, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
FIRST OF ALL, LEMME SAY I HAVE NO OBJECTION TO GOODWILL'S MISSION AND I COMMEND WHAT THEY DO AS SOMEBODY WHO DRIVES PAST IT JUST ABOUT EVERY DAY.
IT'S A REAL TESTIMONY TO OUR CONSUMER SOCIETY.
IT'S AMAZING THE AMOUNT OF STUFF THAT GETS DROPPED OFF THERE.
UH, AND I, I COMMEND WHAT THEY DO.
MY UNDERSTANDING, MY LIMITED UNDERSTANDING IS, IS THAT TO GRANT THIS VARIANCE, THE APPLICANT MUST DEMONSTRATE THAT THERE'S NO SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD AND THAT THE GENERAL BENEFITS OUTWEIGH ANY DRAWBACKS.
WHAT I'M GONNA SPEAK SPECIFICALLY TO IS TRAFFIC.
I THOUGHT YOU HAD SAID SOMETHING, SORRY.
UH, I'M GONNA SPEAK TO TRAFFIC.
MR. MANCINI MADE A COMMENT THAT I HAD THE CHUCKLE AT BECAUSE HE SAID SOMETIMES THE LEFT TURN LANE BACKS UP.
SO FIRST OF ALL, THERE IS NO LEFT TURN LANE, AS YOU ALL KNOW, AND LIVING ON OLD MARTIN PIKE, I'M ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO EXPERIENCES, I'VE BEEN THERE SINCE 1984, EXPERIENCES THOSE BACKUPS AND THEY OCCUR WITH GREAT REGULARITY.
THEY OCCUR WHEN SCHOOL GETS OUT.
THEY OCCUR SOMETIMES IN THE MORNING, THEY SCHOOL, THEY OCCUR WHEN THERE ARE EVENTS IN FREEDOM PARK.
THEY OCCUR WHEN THERE'S CONSTRUCTION AND OTHER STREETS IN THE TOWN.
AND IT VERY REGULARLY BACKS UP.
I LIVE RIGHT HERE, MEDICAL BUILDING, I'M THE NEXT HOUSE OVER.
SO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BACKING UP A MILE TO JONES ROAD.
THIS SITE, WHILE I APPRECIATE WHAT THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID, THE REALITY IS IS NOW YOU'RE FORCING EVERYONE OUT OF THAT ON THE OLD MARTIN PIKE.
AND THEN YOU'RE ALLOWING THEM TO MAKE A LEFT, WHICH WILL BE DISASTROUS IN AN INTERSECTION WHERE SOMETIMES WITH A LIGHT CHANGE, TWO CARS GET THROUGH BECAUSE ONE CAR WILL BE SITTING THERE, MAKE A LEFT, HE'S NOT QUITE OVER FAR ENOUGH AND A CAR CAN'T GET AROUND THEM ON THE RIGHT.
SO HAVING EVEN A FEW CARS COMING OUT OF THERE IS PROBLEMATIC AND IT'S JUST GOING TO MAKE THE PROBLEM CONSIDERABLY WORSE.
THE INTERSECTION IS DYSFUNCTIONAL, IT DOESN'T WORK.
UM, I WOULD ALSO SAY THAT OLD MARTIN PIKE SEES A SIGNIFICANT AMOUNT OF PEDESTRIAN TRAFFIC WITH NO SIDEWALKS.
AND AGAIN, HAVING THAT TRAFFIC BACK UP IS DETRIMENTAL TO THAT AS WELL.
LI CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU WOULD CONSIDER, AND I'M QUITE SURPRISED THAT THE TOWNSHIP ENGINEER WOULD ALLOW TRAFFIC COMING OUTTA THERE TO MAKE A LEFT WHEN WE'RE FORCING ALL OF THE TRAFFIC.
SO YOU COME IN OFF OF HARTFORD, WHERE DO YOU WANT TO GO? YOU PROBABLY WANT TO GO BACK TO HARTFORD AND THERE'S A PRETTY GOOD CHANCE YOU'RE GONNA WANNA MAKE A LEFT ON THE HARTFORD.
AND ANYBODY WHO'S DRIVEN THROUGH THAT INTERSECTION KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
SIMPLY NOT POSSIBLE UNDER NORMAL CIRCUMSTANCES FOR A CAR TO MAKE A LEFT WAIT TO MAKE A LEFT AND FOR THE STRAIGHT THROUGH TRAFFIC TO CONTINUE MOVING, THAT PROBLEM IS ONLY GONNA GET WORSE WHEN YOU HAVE CARS.
ALL OF THE CARS COMING OUT OF THE SITE, POTENTIALLY MAKING LEFTS ON THE OLD MARTIN PIKE JOCKEYING TO GET INTO THAT LINE OF TRAFFIC AND FURTHER DELAYING, AGAIN, AN INTERSECTION WHERE SOMETIMES ONLY ONE, TWO OR THREE CARS GET THROUGH THE INTERSECTION BEFORE IT CHANGES.
SO I WOULD SAY I WOULD SUGGEST IT'S A QUALITY OF LIFE ISSUE.
I WOULD QUESTION HOW THE CHANGE CANNOT, I THINK THE TRAFFIC ENGINEER SAID IT WOULD REMAIN UNCHANGED.
UH, I I DON'T SEE HOW THAT'S POSSIBLE BECAUSE RIGHT NOW THE TRAFFIC CAN EXIT THE SITE AND GO BACK ON THE HARTFORD ROAD.
IT WILL NOT BE ABLE TO DO THAT UNDER THIS PLAN.
I WOULD PROPOSE NUMBER ONE THAT IT SHOULDN'T, IF THEY'RE GOING TO EXIT OUT OF THERE, THAT THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO EXIT.
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THEY SHOULDN'T BE ALLOWED TO MAKE A LEFT.AND I WOULD FURTHER SUGGEST, AND I I MADE THE SUGGESTION ALREADY, UH, THAT IF GOODWILL WAS DETERMINED TO DEVELOP THIS SITE, AND I THINK THAT'S A GREAT THING.
AGAIN, I SUPPORT THEIR MISSION.
GIVE, GIVE, GIVE GOODWILL, GIVE THE TOWNSHIP ENOUGH ROOM TO WIDEN THAT INTERSECTION SO WE CAN HAVE A BONAFIDE LEFT HAND TURN LANE.
BECAUSE I UNDERSTAND, I'VE BEEN HERE THROUGH THE WHOLE THING.
I REMEMBER WHEN THEY DEVELOPED IT THE LAST TIME, THEY SAID THEY COULDN'T MAKE IT ANY WIDER AND IT'S ONLY OBVIOUSLY GOTTEN WORSE TO SINCE THEN.
SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.
UM, MICHELLE, GREGORY, I LIVE IN THE HOUSE RIGHT NEXT DOOR.
THE LOT THAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT, MA'AM.
UH, YOU DON'T NEED TO BE SWORN.
YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
I ACTUALLY JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS IF THAT'S PERMITTED.
THE SIDE OF THE BUILDING THAT, UM, NEIGHBORS MY HOUSE.
IS THAT PROPOSED TO GET A SIGN? IT'S RIGHT THERE.
THAT'S WHAT I, I HAVEN'T SEEN THE BOTTOM PICTURE LOWER BOTTOM RIGHT.
THIS IS THE FACADE THAT TAKEN MY HOME.
IF I COULD ASK THAT, MAYBE WE CONSIDER NOT PUTTING A SIGN ON THAT SIDE, THAT WOULD BE GREAT.
AND UM, I THINK THAT YOU MENTIONED JOE, SOMETHING ABOUT REDUCING THE SIZE OF LANDSCAPING, PARTICULARLY ALONG THE LINE.
THAT IS WHERE MY HOME IS NOT THAT PART.
I'D LIKE TO MAKE SURE THOSE ARE ALL SUBSTANTIAL.
UM, I ALSO WANNA MAKE IT CLEAR I'M VERY MUCH IN SUPPORT OF THIS PROJECT.
WE TRIED TO DO THIS 10 YEARS AGO WHEN WE WERE ASKED TO DO IT.
THIS PROCESS HAS BEEN ENTIRELY TOO LONG.
LET THEM CLEAN UP THE SITE, THAT'S ALL.
THIS, UH, AGAIN, THIS IS AN APPLICATION.
IT'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO IMPROVE AN EXISTING SITE THAT'S VERY DIFFICULT, VERY CONSTRAINED FOR A VERY SUCCESSFUL DONATION DROP OFF CENTER.
WE'RE PROPOSING IMPROVEMENT WITH THE AESTHETICS, WITH THE NEW BUILDING.
UH, WE'RE PUTTING THE PARKING LOT PARKING BEHIND THE SITE.
WE'RE PROVIDING LANDSCAPING TO SCREEN THE RESIDENTIAL AREAS THAT ARE BEHIND IT.
UH, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT THE EXISTING TRAFFIC CONDITIONS ON OLD BARTON PIKE AND HARTFORD ROAD.
I MEAN THE, THE EXISTING CONDITIONS ARE WHAT THEY ARE, BUT WE'RE NOT, AS OUR TRAFFIC ENGINEER TESTIFIED, WE'RE NOT EXACERBATING THE TRAFFIC CONDITIONS.
THE, THE ADDITIONAL AND BUILDING SIZE DOESN'T INCREASE THE AMOUNT OF DONATIONS AT THE SITE.
IT'S JUST GOING TO BRING THE STORAGE OF THE, UH, MATERIALS IN, IN INSIDE THE BUILDING INSTEAD OF OUTSIDE THE BUILDING.
WHICH IS, IF THAT ISN'T A GOOD THING FOR MEDFORD, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IS.
AND UH, ESSENTIALLY, UH, THE, THE BUSINESS ALREADY EXISTS THERE, SO IT'S NOT GONNA HAVE ANY DETRIMENT TO, TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE ZONE PLAN.
IT'S GONNA IMPROVE THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
IT'S GONNA IMPROVE TRAFFIC CIRCULATION ON THE SITE.
I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT UH, HOPEFULLY THE BOARD WILL WELCOME.
JEAN, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD? SO I, I, I, YOU KNOW, THE, THE NEXT DOOR NEIGHBOR TALKED ABOUT THE SIGNS AND WE DO HAVE A COMMENT IN A REPORT THAT THE SIGN MAY BE MORE APPROPRIATE FACING THE INTERSECTION ON THE SHORT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WITH MAYBE A PLACARD OR SOMETHING, YOU KNOW, SMALLER, YOU KNOW, HUMAN SIZED UNDERNEATH THE, ON THE WALL THAT SAID LIKE A ONE BY ONE OR TWO BY TWO THAT SAYS GOODWILL DROP OFF OR SOMETHING.
UM, SO THAT, THAT WAS WHAT WE HAD SUGGESTED.
THE APPLICANT REALLY DIDN'T SEEM INTERESTED, SO WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT IT.
UM, BUT BECAUSE IT WAS BROUGHT UP BY THE PUBLIC, I'M TALKING ABOUT IT NOW.
SO FOR YOU TO CONSIDER FOR THEM TO CONSIDER.
IS THERE ANY WILLINGNESS TO DISCUSS POTENTIALLY? ABSOLUTELY.
I I THINK WE'RE, WE'RE, WE'RE RECEPTIVE TO THAT.
I THINK, UM, A SIGN ON THAT SIDE OF THE BUILDING WHEN FOLKS ARE ALREADY INTERIOR TO THE SITE DOESN'T SERVE A LOT OF PURPOSE.
UM, I I THINK WE COULD EVEN HAVE THE SIGN ON THE WALTON SIDE, AS YOU SAID, BE, UM, SMALLER, MAYBE NOT EVEN LIT NECESSARILY.
WELL, NO, I'M SUGGESTING THAT SIGN.
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I, I DON'T, ON THE SHORT SIDE, 50 ARCHITECT HAS, UM, HAS AN OPINION ON THE SIZE ON THE SHORT PART OF THE BUILDING AND THEN MAYBE AN ADDITIONAL SMALL SIGN THAT JUST SORT OF SAYS GOODWILL DROP OFF OR GOODWILL, SOMETHING MORE DIRECTIONAL AT, YOU KNOW, SEVEN TO EIGHT FOOT HIGH ON THE WALL.ON THE INTERIOR SIDE LANDSCAPE.
I THINK THE SIGN THAT'S THE SIDE THAT'S ON THERE HAS THE DOOR.
SO IT'S THAT SMALL SECTION AT THE TOP IS WHERE THE SIGN, YEAH.
THERE THAT DOOR IS ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE.
THE DOOR IS ON THE PARKING LOT SIDE, BUT THE OTHER SIDE THAT'S NOT SHOWN ON ANY OF YOUR RENDERINGS.
IT SHOULD HAVE ON THIS ALLEGATION.
WOULD IT BE PERFECT TO SORT OF LIMITED TO THE, THE 12% THRESHOLD FOR THAT PART OF THE FACADE PRO? PROBABLY JUST AS, AS, AS A PLACE ORDER CERTAIN WE, WE COULD LOOK MAKE IT SMALLER, BUT CERTAINLY NO BIG, NO BIGGER THAN THAT.
MY CONCERN WITH THE DROP OFF SIDE F AS OF THE NEIGHBORS SPOKE IS THE LIGHTING I'M ASSUMING IS MORE THAN ANYTHING.
IF THERE'S NO LIGHTING THERE AND A SMALL SIGN, LIKE A DROP OFF OR SOMETHING, I COULD SEE, I THINK THAT'S, I THINK I SAID THAT THE NEXT ONE.
UM, I JUST WANNA CLOSE THE LOOP ON THE, THE TRAFFIC CONCERN.
WASN'T GONNA SAY IT UNLESS YOU ASKED ME.
SO, UM, I GUESS IN A PERFECT WORLD WE WOULD NOT ALLOW LEFT TURNS ANYWHERE.
SO, BUT IT'S, IT'S CLOSE TO THE INTERSECTION.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF LEFT TURNS INTERSECTIONS EVERYWHERE.
THERE'S MORE TRAFFIC THAN THERE USED TO BE.
BUT IF YOU PROHIBIT LEFT TURNS, HOW ARE YOU GONNA GET BACK DOWN HARFORD ROAD? YOU GO THROUGH WOODRIDGE, MAKE A RIGHT, GO THROUGH WOODRIDGE.
THAT'S NOT GONNA WORK OUT TOO WELL.
YOU GO UP TO CHESTER, MAKE A LEFT, AND THEN TRY TO MAKE A LEFT ON ROUTE 70.
YOU GO TO JONES ROAD, YOU GO UP TO THE LIGHT THAT WE HAVE ISSUES WITH.
AND, AND I THINK WHEN I ALSO ADD TO THAT, THAT THE EXIT OF THIS BUILDING HAS TWO SEPARATE LANES BASICALLY.
SO IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE GONNA BLOCK SOMEBODY THAT'S TRYING TO EXIT AND MAKE A RIGHT.
THEY'RE GONNA BE WAITING FOR SOMEBODY TO LET 'EM IN.
THE THE QUEUING IS GONNA BE ON SITE.
AND I THINK, I THINK IT WAS SOMEONE'S TESTIMONY THAT THE PEAK HOURS FOR GOODWILL ARE NOT THE PEAK HOURS FOR THE TRAFFIC.
I ALSO SAID, STATED THAT THERE IS A QUEUE THERE ON NON-PEAK HOURS TOO.
SO I, I THINK IF I'M LOOKING AT THE SITE PLANS AS WELL, SO RIGHT NOW THE EXIT IS WHERE THE TRAFFIC IS.
ONCE THAT GOES, THAT'S ACTUALLY RIGHT NOW IT'S ALMOST LIKE A LITTLE DIRT PATH.
SO IT'S GONNA BE SUBSTANTIALLY FURTHER AWAY.
SO IT'S ALMOST GONNA FORCE SOMEBODY IF SOMEBODY SEES TRAFFIC, IF IT WERE ME, I'D MAKE A RIGHT AND FIGURE OUT WHERE I'M GOING ANYWAY.
WE DON'T WANNA FORCE TRAFFIC IN AREAS THAT'S GONNA CAUSE A PROBLEM SOMEWHERE ELSE.
IF IF SOMEBODY'S HEADING LIKE YOU DON'T KNOW WHERE SOMEBODY'S GOING OR OR COMING FROM, YOU CAN'T REALLY DETERMINE THAT OR FORCE THEM.
BUT THIS IS AS, AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED, MY OPINION IS THIS IS THE BEST SITUATION THAT WE CAN DO WITH THIS SITE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THE PLACEMENT OF THE DRIVEWAY AS WELL IS ALREADY GONNA PUT IT INTO A BETTER CONDITION THAN IT IS NOW.
IT'S GONNA IMPROVE THAT CON CONDITION THAT SUBSTANTIALLY.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? I HAVE NOTHING.
MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE, UM, AND OBVIOUSLY MAKE SURE THAT OUR, THE TRUCK SITUATION IS, IS DEALT WITH DIRECTLY WITH MR. KNOWLES.
THIS WAY WE MAKE SURE THAT IT'S GONNA BE A POSITIVE, IT'S GONNA WORK OUT BETTER.
DID WAS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEEDED TO INCORPORATE INTO THIS MOTION MOVEMENT OF THE SIGNAGE YOU HAVE FROM A WALL? YEAH.
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I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM TO ALLOW THEM, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF THEY WANT IT, BUT WOULD IT BE A PROBLEM TO ALLOW THEM TO HAVE THE SIGNS ON THE, ON THE THREE SIDES, LIKE TWO SHORTS AND THE ONE LONG, THIS WAY PEOPLE CAN SEE IT WHEREVER THEY'RE COMING FROM.
I MEAN, ONCE PEOPLE KNOW, THEY KNOW, I MEAN THAT'S, THAT'S UP TO THE BOARD MORE.
I MEAN THE APPLICANT DIDN'T NECESSARILY, UM, REQUEST THOSE SIGNS.
UM, WHAT'S THE LIMIT ON THE SIZE? IT'S SQUARE FOOTAGE, RIGHT? OR IS IT NOT MEAN? SO THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S NOT ZONED.
SO IT'S REALLY STILL A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
SO WE'RE TALKING A LOT ABOUT THE RHC, BUT ANY DEVIATION IS A DEVIATION FROM THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE REQUIREMENTS.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, ARGUABLY SURE YOU COULD, I MEAN THE WHOLE POINT OF SIGN IS TO TELL PEOPLE WHERE TO GO.
SO IF THEY'RE COMING NORTHBOUND ON HARTFORD ROAD AND YOU WANT THEM TO TURN RIGHT BEHIND THE BUILDING, THEY WOULD NEED TO IDENTIFY THE BUILDING.
ONCE THEY DO THAT, IT WILL BE A PATTERN THAT THEY'RE GONNA ACCOMMODATE.
I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE NOT LIMITING IT SO THAT THEY HAVE TO COME BACK AGAIN JUST FOR THE SIGNS.
AS LONG AS IT WORKS WITH, AS LONG AS IT WORKS WITH WITH THE PLANNER.
AS LONG AS YOU GUYS ARE OKAY WITH IT, I KIND OF WANT TO LEAVE THAT OPEN TO BUT IT'S NOT MY APPLICATION.
I DIDN'T MAKE THE APPLICATION.
I JUST RESPOND TO WHAT THEY TELL ME THEY'RE GONNA DO.
I THINK WE, WE WOULD GO FOR THE THREE FIVE SIGNS.
I JUST TALKING WITH OUR ARCHITECT SO WE HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO NOW YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR SIGNS.
SO WE'RE TALKING THREE LIT SIGNS.
ONE THREE LIT SIGNS AND ONE AND ONE SMALLER.
SO THIS WAY ONE IN AN INTERFERE WITH THE NEIGHBOR, RIGHT? LIKE SO YOU KNOW WHERE THE FRONT DOOR.
I DON'T THINK, I DON'T, I THINK WE'RE GETTING A LITTLE ACCESSIBLE.
I DON'T AGREE THAT ONE BECAUSE THERE'S LIVE SIGNS AND DROP OFFS.
IT'S NOT A NECESSARILY NEED LIT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
'CAUSE NO ONE'S DROPPING 'EM OFF AT NIGHTTIME.
RIGHT? THEY DON'T, THEY DON'T STAND OPEN ON ALL NIGHT LONG ON THE SIGNS.
LIKE WHAT TIME DID THAT, DOES THAT LIGHT GO? THESE'S GONNA BE GOOSENECK.
SO YOU SAID GOOSENECK, IS IT BY SWITCH OR TIMER? 10 O'CLOCK, NINE O'CLOCK.
CAN WE ASK APPROXIMATE TIME OF WHAT TIME THEY WOULD SHOWED UP? I'M JUST ASKING FOR A GENERAL, IS IT HALF HOUR AFTER CLOSING? YOU CAN SHUT UP.
AND THEN YOU'RE NOT DEALING WITH THE NEIGHBORS.
YEAH, I THINK AT CLOSINGS A QUICK EXTRA LIGHTS.
SO IS THAT I ALREADY MADE THE MOTION.
AGENDA, BUT I THINK WE'RE DONE, RIGHT? YES.