* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [00:00:01] OKAY. GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO [Zoning Board on August 19, 2026.] THE AUGUST 19TH, 2026 MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING. PURSUANT TO THE OPEN POLL MEETINGS ACT. NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY POSTED ON BULLETS AND BOARD IN VILLE BUILDING AND ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF MEDFORD TOWNSHIP, AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON JANUARY 22ND, 2026. ADEQUATE NOTICE THAT THIS MEETING HAVING BEEN PROVIDED. EVERYONE PLEASE STAND FOR THE FLAG. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG. UNITED STATES AMERICA JUSTICE CALL PLEASE MR. MORRISON. MR. ? MR. DIPA? MR. HACKETT? I HERE. MR. BRIAN? HERE. MR. ELLA, VICE CHAIR WORKERS HERE. MADAM CHAIR HERE. OKAY. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? WE DON'T HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE. AND DO WE HAVE THE MINUTES FROM THE JULY 15TH MEETING? MM-HMM . IS ANY EVERYBODY ON A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? ANY QUESTIONS? MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. YOU DO A ROLL CALL. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THE MINUTES? YES. I MEAN, I WASN'T HEARING UP TO YOU. YOU CAN DO IT BY AFFIRMATION. OKAY. AYE. OKAY. MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS, RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 22. CHRISTOPHER AND LEAH QUINN. 39 R GROWTH BLOCK 2 0 2 BLOCK 4 0 1 APPROVING A BOTH VARIANCE FOR AN ADDITION TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING MOTION APPROVE. SECOND. MR. HACKEY. AYE. MR. BRYAN? AYE. VICE CHAIR RECORD? AYE. OKAY. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 23 SCOTT THOMPSON 21 POCAHONTAS TRAIL BLOCK 56 0 2 BLOCK THREE APPROVING A BOTH VARIANCE FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SPA AND FEVER PATIO. ROLL CALL. MOTION TO APPROVE. OH, SORRY. SKIPPED BACK. OH. SECOND. ROLL CALL MR. HACKETT. AYE. MR. BRIAN AYE. VICE CHAIR? AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 24 ANDREW AND KELLY BOSI. 5 66 MCKENNAN ROAD BLOCK 51 0 1 0 1 LOT 4 0 4. DENYING WHOLE VARIANCE FOR A SECOND OVERSIZED DETACHED GARAGE. MOTION FOR THE DENIAL. I DIDN'T KNOW HOW TO SAY THAT, SO I'M ASSUMING THAT THAT'S CORRECT. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE THE DENIAL, THE RESOLUTION, WHICH DENIES. SO YOU NEED, YOU NEED TO MOTION TO APPROVE WHICH THE RESOLUTION. THAT'S ALL WE'RE APPROVING. GOT IT. OKAY. SECOND. FULL CALL. MR. HACKETT. AYE. MR. BRIAN AYE. VICE CHAIR WORKERS? AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. FIRST APPLICATION JESSE VO VOS THREE 14 TUCKERTON ROAD BLOCK 64 0 6 0 1 LOT 2 0 9 SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 326 SQUARE FOOT POOL, HOUSE AND PATIO. YEP. MY NAME IS JESSE VOS AND I'M HERE WITH MY WIFE ASHLEY, TO REQUEST FOR THE BULK VARIANCE FOR A POOL CABON AT THREE 14 TUCKERTON ROAD EIGHT YEARS AGO. ASHLEY AND I PER MR. VAS, YOU COULD JUST HOLD ON FOR A SECOND. AGAIN, UH, PRONOUNCE YOUR LAST NAME. VOG. IT'S REALLY PRONOUNCED. VAES. VOG. THERE YOU GO. YES. OKAY. YOU'LL NEED TO BE SWORN, SIR, YOU ARE TESTIMONY. ANYBODY ELSE CAN BE TESTIFYING IN COURT. NO, JUST YOU, UH, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE COURT BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND, BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. ALRIGHT. ARE WE GOOD ENOUGH? YEP. ALL RIGHT. EIGHT YEARS AGO, US AND I PURCHASED THE PROPERTY TO BUILD OUR FOREVER HOME WHERE WE HAVE LIVED THERE EVER SINCE. FROM THE BEGINNING, PART OF OUR LONG TERM PLAN WAS TO EVENTUALLY INSTALL A POOL WHEN WE WERE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO DO SO. ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE APPLIED FOR THE ZONING AND CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENTS FOR, TO INSTALL THE POOL. BOTH DEPARTMENTS APPROVED OUR PLANS AND WE'VE BEGUN THE CONSTRUCTION PROCESS. WHEN THE PLANS WERE SUBMITTED, OUR SURVEYOR LAID THE POOL OUT IN ITS CURRENT LOCATION. AT THAT TIME, HOWEVER, WE HAD NOT FINALIZED OUR LANDSCAPING PLANS, SO THE DRAWING SHOWED A ONLY A STANDARD FOUR FOOT CONCRETE PAD AROUND THE POOL. WE WERE UNAWARE THAT EXPANDING THE PATIO WOULD LATER [00:05:01] IMPACT ANY APPROVALS. AFTER RECEIVING THE APPROVAL, WE BEGAN CLEARING THE LAND FOR THE POOL CONSTRUCTION, REMOVING TREES THAT WE BELIEVE WOULD CREATE ISSUES WITH LEAVES SHADE AND ONGOING MAINTENANCE. AFTER THE POOL SHELL WAS INSTALLED, WE WORKED WITH A LANDSCAPE CONTRACTOR TO FINALIZE OUR DESIGN. OUR GOAL IS TO CREATE A PATIO THAT WOULD COMFORTABLY ACCOMMODATE LOUNGE CHAIRS, TABLES, AND OTHER OUTDOOR AMENITIES. THE PROJECT ALSO INCLUDED A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF LANDSCAPING WITH TREES PLANTED ALONG A, A LANDSCAPE BUFFER THROUGHOUT MY PROPERTY AND PROPERTY TO PROVIDE PROPHECY FOR BOTH OUR FAMILY AND OUR NEIGHBORS. MY WIFE PERSONALLY PLANTED APPROXIMATELY 40 OF THOSE TREES TO ENSURE THAT WE HAD ADEQUATE, ADEQUATE COVERAGE. AT THE TIME WE WERE UNAWARE OF THE SPECIES THAT WE SELECTED WERE NOT NATIVE PLANTS. WE ONLY LEARNED AFTER MRS. TAYLOR'S LETTER THAT THEY WEREN'T, THERE WAS NO INTENT TO AVOID NATIVE SPECIES. WE SIMPLY CHOSE PLANTS THAT WOULD PROVIDE YEAR-ROUND PRIVACY AND WERE RESISTANT TO DEER DAMAGE. THAT SAID, WE WERE OPEN TO PLANTING MORE TREES THAT ARE NATIVE TO MEDFORD. ONCE THE PROJECT WAS COMPLETED, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT INSPECTED THE POOL. LANDSCAPING AND FENCING BE PASSED ALL INSPECTIONS, AND WE WERE ISSUED A CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCY, WHICH I HAVE TODAY. THIS BRINGS US TO THE POOL CABANA AND IS THE SUBJECT OF OUR REQUEST. AFTER ENJOYING THE POOL FOR A YEAR, WE DETERMINED THAT THE CABANA WOULD BE A GREAT VA VALUABLE ADDITION FOR SEVERAL REASONS, INCLUDING PROVIDING SHADE FOR OUR CHILDREN, ELIMINATING THE NEED TO REPEATEDLY ENTER THE HOUSE WHILE WET TO USE THE BATHROOM FACILITIES. DURING MY RESEARCH, I LEARNED TO POOL CABANA FALLS UNDER THE SHED CATEGORY OF THE ZONING PURPOSES. FOR MEDFORD, IT ONLY REQUIRE A FIVE FOOT SETBACK FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. WHAT I DIDN'T REALIZE IS THAT THE STRUCTURE EXCEEDING 200 SQUARE FEET WOULD REQUIRE 50 FOOT SETBACK. OUR CABANA IS 272 SQUARE FEET, EXCEEDING THE THRESHOLD BY 72 SQUARE FEET, WHICH IS WHY I'M HERE BEFORE YOU TODAY REQUESTING THE VARIANCE. I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO NOTE, SINCE THE INITIAL LAND CLEARING MORE THAN A YEAR AND A HALF AGO, WE HAVE NOT REMOVED A SINGLE ADDITIONAL TREE FROM OUR PROPERTY. INSTEAD, WE HAVE CONTINUED TO ADD VEGETATION. WE ALL KNOW THAT. UH, NOT WE ALL, WE ARE ALSO WELL BELOW THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE PERMITTED UNDER THE ZONING REGULATIONS OF MEDFORD FOR A PROPERTY OF OUR SIZE. BECAUSE OF WETLANDS, WETLANDS AND OTHER RESTRICTIONS ON OUR LOT, THERE IS NO PRACTICAL LOCATION FOR THE CABANA WITHOUT REMOVING UNLESS WE WANTED TO REMOVE ADDITIONAL TREES, WHICH IS WHY WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID. ASHLEY AND I HAD MADE EVERY EFFORT TO BE RESPONSIBLE STEWARDS OF OUR PROPERTY BY PLANTING MORE THAN 80 TREES AND MAINTAINING PRIVACY FOR BOTH OUR FAMILY AND OUR NEIGHBORS. FOR THESE REASONS, WE RESPECTFULLY RE REQUEST OUR, YOUR APPROVAL SO WE CAN COMPLETE THE VISION THAT WE HAVE WORKED TOWARD FOR OUR FOREVER HOME. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. BEFORE WE GO ON, DID, IS THERE A PROBLEM WITH THE VIDEO? THE SOUND? YEAH, I WAS JUST CHECKING THE SOUND. UM, YEAH, I WAS NOTIFIED THAT IT WAS THE SOUND. I DON'T, I JUST, OKAY. OKAY. WE'LL SEE. WE'RE GOOD. OKAY. SO I GUESS I, I JUST NEED, AND MS. TAYLOR, I GUESS YOU COULD HELP WITH THIS. I JUST NEED MORE OF A CONTEXT OF THE INITIAL PART OF THE, THE TESTIMONY ABOUT THE EXPANSION OF THE PATIO AND I GUESS THE POOL NOT BEING PLACED IN THE ORIGINAL AREA THAT IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE. IS THAT, UM, WHAT I, SO WHEN YOU COMPARE THE TWO PLANS, I, I ACTUALLY HAVE THE PERMIT PLAN, I HAVE TO RETURN IT TO ANNE FOR HER FILE. UM, IT'S THE PIECE THAT YOU HAVE IN YOUR, UM, APPLICATION IN, IN THE C TWO. SO THERE'S A SMALL IMAGE OF THE POOL WITH THE SURROUND. YES. UM, AND THAT'S WHERE THE POOL WAS LOCATED. HOWEVER, UM, AND THERE WAS A, UH, A 50.2 FEET SETBACK SHOWN TO THE POOL DECK. SO CLEARLY, UM, SOMEONE KNEW THAT THERE WAS REQUIRED TO BE A 50 FOOT SETBACK. AND, UM, WHAT ENDED UP HAPPENING IS THAT OVER THE COURSE OF THE CONSTRUCTION, UM, THE POOL DECK WAS EXPANDED AND A POOL CABANA WAS ADDED AT THE REAR YARD. SO IT'S, UM, A VARIANCE REQUIRED IN THIS PARTICULAR DISTRICT, BECAUSE THE PROPERTIES ARE SO LARGE, TYPICALLY, UM, THERE'S PLENTY OF ROOM FOR THIS SORT OF THING. MM-HMM . THERE ARE SOME WETLANDS AND WETLANDS BUFFERS. HOWEVER, I THINK IT'S PRETTY CLEAR FROM THE PROPOSED PLAN THAT, UM, IN THE AREA, BASICALLY [00:10:04] NORTH OF THE, WELL WITHIN THE BUILDING ENVELOPE, THERE'S SUFFICIENT SPACE TO ADD A POOL, CABANA AND DECKING. SO, UM, AND WITH RESPECT TO THE PLANTS, YOU KNOW, IF THERE ARE TREES REMOVED, PEOPLE ARE SUPPOSED TO GET PERMITS TO DO SO. UM, AND THEN REPLANT ACCORDING TO THE CODE. MM-HMM . BUT IS THE TESTIMONY THAT WITH THE, THE POOL CABANA, THERE WASN'T ANY REMOVAL OF TREES FOR THE CABANA? NO. JUST FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE PATIO, CORRECT? NO, NO. ACTUALLY WE, WHEN WE DID OUR POOL CONSTRUCTION, WE REMOVED, THAT'S WHEN WE REMOVED EVERY TREE. THERE HAS BEEN NO TREES REMOVED EVER SINCE WE PUT THE POOL IN AND WE DID THE POOL CONSTRUCTION. SO MOVING FORWARD, WE DID NOT REMOVE ANY OTHER TREE. IT WAS JUST REPLANTING AND WE'VE REPLANTED IT OVER 80 TREES. UM, AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, THEY WEREN'T, THE POOL IS IN THE LOCATION THAT IS ON THE PLAN. SO THAT DIDN'T, AND LIKE I SAID, I HADN'T NO IDEA THAT EXPANDING A PATIO INTO THE FI THE SETBACK AT THE TIME, BUT IT WOULD IMPACT THAT. I I DID, I DID NOT KNOW THAT. SO WITH ALL DUE RESPECT, MR. VARES, IF I COULD, UH, MADAME CHAIR, THERE ARE TREES SHOWN ON THE ORIGINAL PERMIT. UM, THEY'RE NOT IDENTIFIED, BUT THERE ARE TREES SHOWN ON THAT PERMIT PLAN. THEY'RE BASICALLY UNDER THE, THE GREEN AREA ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE. OKAY. AND THE CABANA IS JUST GOING ON TOP OF THE EXISTING PAPER PAD THAT YOU HAVE. IT GOES RIGHT BEHIND IT. OKAY. WHY AM I THE, I'M LOOKING AT EXHIBIT A IN OUR PACKET AND UH, I ACTUALLY HAVE IT IN MY, IT'S A, IT'S RIGHT, BUT THIS WAS EXPANDED BACK. I THINK YOU WANT ME TO COME UP AND HERE TO HERE? IT LOOKS LIKE IT WAS EXPANDED BACK. I JUST LOST IT. OKAY. FOR SOME REASON IT LOOKS LIKE, SO THERE'S ALREADY A SOMETHING THERE, CABANA. ALRIGHT. SHOW YOU. SO BASICALLY THIS PART OF THE PAD PATIO WAS THEN WHEN WE DID OUR INITIAL, THIS WAS WHAT WE'RE ADDING FOR THE CABANA, WHICH IS 29 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE INSTEAD OF 50. MM-HMM . I CAN'T REALLY GO OVER HERE BECAUSE WE HAVE TREES PLANTED HERE. AND HONESTLY FOR MY WELL, OR NOT MY, IT'S NOT A, WELL THAT WAS MARKED WRONG ON THE PLAN. THAT'S ACTUALLY THE HOLDING THE PUMP STATION FOR THIS TO GO TO MY, FOR MY SEPTIC TO GO OVER. SO, AND THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE BRO COUNTY BOARD OF HEALTH, WHICH THEY CAME OUT AND INSPECTED AND THEY APPROVED IT. AND I WAS ABLE TO AT LEAST GET THAT INSTALLED. SO WHERE THAT FIRE PIT IS, IS WHERE THAT IS? IT'S RIGHT HERE. THE WELL, BUT, OKAY. OR NOT THE WELL THAT'S A PUMP HOUSE. IT'S A PUMP HOUSE, YEAH. AND IT'S BELOW GROUND AND WAS APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF HEALTH AND INSPECT. I ALREADY GOT, I GOT THAT PAPERWORK AS WELL. CAN I SEE THAT AGAIN? YEAH. IT'S EXHIBIT B. IT'S IN ONE EXHIBIT A. YEAH, WE HAVE THAT IN OUR PACKET. SO THERE'S NOTHING NEW. YEAH, IT'S RIGHT HERE. OKAY. THE, THE, THE PROBLEM IS, IS THE SETBACK FROM THIS CORNER TO THAT ORANGE LINE IS 29 FEET. OKAY. NOT 50. NOT 50 50. AND THE WHOLE THING IS, IS IF THIS POOL, THIS CABANA WAS 200 SQUARE FOOT MM-HMM . WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE BECAUSE IT SAID ADDITIONAL. IT SAID SAID 72 SQUARE FEET. YEAH. GOTCHA. BUT YOU'D STILL BE WITHIN THAT SETBACK. YEAH, I WOULD LIKE, IF I WAS, IF IT WAS 200, I COULD BE UP FIVE FEET UP PROPERTY. OH, THAT'S RIGHT. MM-HMM . SO IT'S 72 FEET. IT'S HOLDING THIS UP. OKAY. AND YOU'RE SAYING YOU ALREADY STARTED CONSTRUCTING THE DATA, SO THERE'S NO WAY THAT YOU COULD YEAH, I, BECAUSE I DIDN'T THINK I, LIKE, AGAIN, I THOUGHT LIKE, BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER A SHED, YOU DON'T EVEN NEED FOOTINGS FOR A SHED. YOU USUALLY COULD JUST PUT STONE DOWN AND BE DONE WITH IT. BUT SINCE IT'S MY POOL, I WANT TO ENJOY IT AND DO IT THE RIGHT WAY. AND SIDE NOTE IS THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT ALREADY APPROVED THE, THE DRAWINGS AND THEY'RE GOOD WITH EVERYTHING I'VE DONE TO DATE. UM, AND THEY SAID THAT THEY'LL RELEASE THE PERMIT AS LONG AS I GET THIS VARIANCE . WHICH, THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE SETBACK, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THERE WAS NO CHANGE TO THE ZONING PERMIT. OKAY. SO THE, THE BUILDING DEPARTMENT WOULD NOT CHECK FOR THAT? NO, THEY WON'T. YEAH. I GOTCHA. NECESSARILY AND PRESUMABLY NO OPPOSITION [00:15:01] FROM NEIGHBORS OFF THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY? I MEAN, YES, THERE ARE. WE'LL GET THE, WE'LL GET. OKAY. OKAY. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GONNA GO LOOK AT AND SEE WHO, AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER YES. RIGHT. THAT WE'RE REFERENCING? YES. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE GOING THROUGH THAT. UM, SO WE TALKED ABOUT THE DEVIATIONS. WE TALKED ABOUT, UH, ACTUALLY I DON'T THINK WE TALKED TOO MUCH ABOUT THE, THE PROPOSED USE OF THE CABANA. I MEAN, YOU MENTIONED OBVIOUSLY LIKE PRETTY MUCH THE COMMON SENSE OF IT ALL, BUT SO IS THERE GONNA BE A, DID YOU SAY THERE'S A BATHROOM? YEAH. OKAY. AND THAT'S THE INTENT TO, SO THE CHILDREN AREN'T RUNNING THROUGH THE HOUSE SOAKING WET, YOU KNOW, GOING TO THE BATHROOM AND STUFF LIKE THAT. YOU KNOW, JUST LIKE ANY, NOT JUST CHILDREN, ANYBODY IN GENERAL, YOU KNOW, I DIDN'T WANT TO HAVE TO HAVE PEOPLE RUNNING THROUGH OUR HOUSE WET AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. IS THERE GONNA, IS THERE GONNA BE USE FOR ANY OTHER PURPOSE? LIKE IS THERE A KITCHEN? NO, I MEAN, THERE'S A SINK. JUST BE, YOU KNOW, WE'LL HAVE A SINK AND STUFF LIKE THAT OBVIOUSLY, BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO KITCHEN OR BEDROOM OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IF YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THERE'S NO CLOSETS OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT. IT'S JUST A OPEN SPACE TO GET OUTTA THE SUN. MICHELLE, DID I UNDERSTAND THAT CORRECTLY? IF IT WAS LESS SQUARE FOOTAGE, HE COULD GO DOWN TO A FIVE FOOT SETBACK, IF THAT'S CORRECT. UH, LEMME LOOK. I DON'T HAVE THAT SECTION OF THE CODE WITH ME AT THE MOMENT. AND BELL TOLD ME THAT THAT WAS TRUE AS WELL. WHAT WAS THE SQUARE FOOTAGE THAT YOU'D HAVE TO REDUCE IT DOWN TO? DO YOU REMEMBER? I'D HAVE TO REDUCE IT. 72 FEET. THANKS MS. TAYLOR, DID YOU SAY EARLIER THAT YOU FELT THAT THERE WAS AN ALTERNATIVE LOCATION FOR, FOR THIS? YES. UM, ON THE PLAN THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT, WHERE IT SAYS, WELL, THAT WE'VE ESTABLISHED AS A PUMP FOR THE POOL MM-HMM . NOT FOR THE SEPTIC FIELD. MM-HMM . UM, TO THE RIGHT OF THAT, THERE'S A DASH LINE UNDER THE WELL BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE POOL AND THE WELL, AND IT, THERE'S A, A LABELED LANDSCAPE TIES. YES, I SEE THAT. AND THERE IS ANOTHER DASH LINE THAT IS A, UM, A WETLANDS BUFFER. BUT THIS WOULD'VE FIT WITHIN THAT SPACE? IT WOULD FIT IN THAT SPACE, YES. AND IF IT WAS THERE, NO VARIANCES WOULD BE REQUIRED. 'CAUSE THE SETBACK WOULD BE CORRECT. OKAY. AND I CAN CONFIRM THAT, UM, THE SHED WOULD BE PERMITTED THERE A SHED. IS THAT IN ADDITION TO WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT? NO. SO A SHED LESS THAN 200 SQUARE FEET IS ALLOWED TO BE NEAR, NEAR TO THE PROPERTY LINE THAN LARGER STRUCTURES. MM-HMM . OKAY. I MEAN, THAT'S ALL I WAS TRYING TO CONVEY IS LIKE, IF I WANTED, IF I WAS TRYING TO BE IGNORANT, I COULD HAVE PUT A, YOU KNOW, YOU COULD PUT SOMETHING RIGHT UP AGAINST A PROPERTY LINE. THAT'S OBVIOUSLY NOT WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO. YOU KNOW, WE'RE, WE PUT A MASSIVE LANDSCAPE BUFFER IN TO TRY TO REMEDIATE ALL THAT STUFF AS WELL. I MEAN, THE TREES THAT WE PUT IN, WE PUT 'EM IN THERE. WERE SIX TO SEVEN FOOT CURRENTLY AFTER A YEAR, THEY'RE ALREADY 11 FOOT AND THEY'RE RA ON A, ON A THREE FOOT RAISED BERM AS WELL. AND AGAIN, LIKE I SAID, I'M OPEN TO PLANTING NATIVE TREES, YOU KNOW. OKAY. OKAY. JUST WANT TO NOTE ONE OTHER PIECE THAT, UM, THE LETTER TOUCHES ON IS A FENCE. SO DO YOU HAVE A METAL FENCE? YEAH, WE, WE PUT THE FENCE IN, IN THE AREAS WHERE WE CLEARED AND WE JUST MAINTAINED IT AS LANDSCAPING. I DIDN'T KNOW THAT IF YOU DRY SET A FENCE THAT IT COULDN'T BE IN THE BUFFER. THERE'S BEEN, WE'VE BEEN MAINTAINING THE PROPERTY. IT HAS REALLY NO BEARING ON THE, ON THE WETLANDS. IT'S AN OPEN FENCE. AND THEN MY RESEARCH DOING IT, THE REASON THAT THEY DON'T LIKE FENCES IN THERE IS WHEN THEY GET A CLOSED FENCE IT CAN HURT WILDLIFE, WHICH IS THE SPOTTED TURTLE AND THE TREE FROG. THE PINELANDS PINE, BARREN TREE FROG. AND I CAN TELL YOU THAT MY KIDS CATCH TURTLES AND FROGS IN THE POOL ALL THE TIME. SO I MEAN, THERE'S NO IMPACT WITH THAT OR SHOULDN'T [00:20:01] BE AN ISSUE. MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE COMMENTS TO REGARDING THE FENCE? UM, WHAT IS THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FENCES? IT'S CHAIN LENGTH. SO THAT MEANS THERE'S A, A CONCRETE FOOTING TYPICALLY. UM, I I, NOT TO CUT YOU OFF, I DRY SET IT WITH STONE. SO THERE ISN'T, SO TYPICALLY MR. NOLL, UM, WOULD NOT PERMIT A FENCE TO BE PLACED IN THAT AREA WITH A CONCRETE FOOTING. THAT THAT IS GENERALLY THE, HAS BEEN THE APPROACH THAT IT HAS TO BE A TEMPORARY, NON-PERMANENT CONCRETED STRUCTURE. AND WHAT WOULD NEED TO HAPPEN TO REMEDY THAT ISSUE? IF, IF THE SOUNDS LIKE IT IS THE APPLICANT DOES NOT WANNA, SOUNDS LIKE, IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S NOT CONCRETE NOW IT'S STONED. IT SOUNDS LIKE IT'S STONED. IT'S STONED, IT'S DRY SET AND STONE POINT. SO, SO THERE'S NO PROBLEM THERE. NO, I MEAN THE WILDLIFE GETS IN AND OUT. I MEAN OKAY. DO ANY BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? OPEN . MS. TAYLOR, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ELSE TO ADD BEFORE WE OPEN IT? I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK THEY TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING WE TALKED ABOUT. OKAY. IF YOU JUST WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE SURE. SIT TO THIS SIDE AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP. MY NEEDLE OFF? NO, WE CAN, UH, OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? OPEN THIS WITH PUBLIC MOTION OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? A. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I'LL JUST NEED YOUR, YOUR, UH, NAME AND MY NAME IS SCOTT TREADWELL. T-R-E-D-W-E-L-L. AS MUCH AS YOUR ADDRESS IS, YOU'RE WILLING TO PROVIDE 1 0 5 COWPATH HERE IN MEDFORD. AND MR. T, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT TRUTH. I DO. MADAM CHAIR, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, I'M REALLY HERE ON BEHALF OF THREE HOMEOWNERS. THE HOMEOWNER WHO IS MOST AFFECTED BY THIS, I BELIEVE WAS, HAS ALREADY SENT A LETTER TO THE BOARD. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE BOARD HAS HAD A CHANCE TO READ THAT LETTER OR IS AWARE OF THE LETTER. WE CAN'T TAKE LETTERS. THEY'RE HEARSAY. OKAY. YOU WANNA OFFER COMMENT, YOU HAVE TO DO WHAT YOU'RE DOING, WHICH IS TO COME HERE AND TESTIFY. OKAY? I CAN'T ACT AS AN AGENT OR A REPRESENTATIVE ON BEHALF OF THESE HOMEOWNERS. NOT REALLY. I MEAN, WE, THAT IS WHAT THE STATUTE SAYS. COOPERATIVE. BUT YOU KNOW, I MEAN THE, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE LETTER. OKAY. BUT THE LETTER IS ON BEHALF OF A HOMEOWNER AND I'M, I'M HERE TO TRY TO EXPLAIN, I'M NOT GONNA ARGUE. WE DON'T TAKE LETTERS FROM PEOPLE WHO WANT TO COMMENT. IF YOU WANT TO COMMENT, YOU HAVE TO COME HERE AND TESTIFY AND BE SUBJECT TO CROSS-EXAMINATION. CAN'T CROSS-EXAMINE THE LETTER. PEOPLE HAVE QUESTIONS. THAT'S THE REASON WHY THAT DOESN'T WORK. SO IF YOU WANNA OFFER TESTIMONY, GO RIGHT AHEAD. OKAY. I WOULD LIKE TO OFFER ARGUMENTS. CAN I DO THAT? SURE. OKAY, GREAT. ON BEHALF OF THE THREE PARTIES THAT I'VE JUST MENTIONED, FIRST, MEGAN MANOR AND ADAM MANOR, WHOSE PROPERTY IS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THE APPLICANT'S. THEY HAVE WRITTEN TO THE BOARD. AND ALTHOUGH I'M NOT ALLOWED TO PRESENT EXACTLY WHAT SHE HAS SAID, SHE EXPLAINS THAT THEY HAVE HAD INCONVENIENCE AND NOISE ISSUES ALREADY BECAUSE OF WHAT HAS ALREADY BEEN BUILT. THEY'RE AFRAID THAT WITH A VARIANCE AND A POOL CABANA, THERE WILL BE EVEN MORE NOISE AND INCONVENIENCE. MY PROPERTY IS NOT IMMEDIATELY BEHIND THEIRS. I DO NOT HEAR THAT. UM, BUT WE HAVE FAIRLY LARGE PROPERTIES AND OURS IS SEPARATED BY TREES. SO ON BEHALF OF THE MANNERS, UM, I'M GIVING THE BEST TESTIMONY THAT I CAN ILLIT HEARSAY IN THAT THERE'S ALREADY A CONCERN. THEY DID NOT, APPARENTLY THE APPLICANT DID NOT APPROACH ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS BEFORE THIS CONSTRUCTION BEGAN AND THEREFORE DID NOT HAVE THE PERMISSION OR EVEN THE NOTICE THAT IS NECESSARY. AND THE REAL REASON FOR THE ZONING LAWS TO BEGIN WITH. UM, I UNDERSTAND THAT WE FIRST LEARNED ABOUT THIS, AT LEAST I FIRST LEARNED ABOUT THIS POSSIBILITY FROM A CERTIFIED LETTER, UH, I THINK LESS THAN A MONTH AGO. THE MANNERS MAY HAVE LEARNED ABOUT IT BEFORE THAT, UH, THEY HAD APPARENTLY EXPRESSED CONCERN AND THE APPLICANTS HAVE SAID THEY CAN'T DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. THEY'VE ALREADY STARTED THE CONSTRUCTION. IN ADDITION, THE PROPERTY THAT IS IMMEDIATELY NEXT TO THE MANNERS, WHICH IS OWNED BY DR. KEVIN BERRY AND DR. CA, CAROL HART HAS SIMILAR PROBLEMS, THE SAME SORTS OF ISSUES. THEY HEAR THE MUSIC BEING PLAYED DURING PARTIES AND THEY HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT [00:25:01] WHETHER A CABANA THAT IS DESIGNED TO FACILITATE PARTIES WILL DO NOTHING BUT ENCOURAGE GREATER, UM, INCONVENIENCE AND NUISANCE. UM, THE POINT OF A, OF A ZONING LAW LIKE THIS IS TO PREVENT THIS VERY THING FROM HAPPENING. SO IF YOU HAVE SOMEONE TOO CLOSE TO THE PROPERTY, THEN THAT'S NOISE INCONVENIENCE. THESE ARE THE VERY THINGS THAT WILL, AMONG OTHER THINGS, DISTURB THE, THE HABITABILITY OF THESE HOMES. NOW IN ADDITION, ANY VARIANCE LIKE THIS DOES AFFECT THE PROPERTY VALUES OF ALL THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. IF THERE ARE BUILDINGS THAT ARE ALREADY ALLOWED IN THAT, THAT VIOLATE THE, THE ZONING BOARD, UH, THE ZONING LAWS AS THEY ARE, ONE VARIANCE LEADS TO ANOTHER, WHICH LEADS TO ANOTHER AND SO ON. SO FROM OUR PERSPECTIVE AS WELL, WE JUST DON'T WANT TO SEE THAT HAPPEN TO THE PROPERTY. BOTH OF THE OTHER SETS OF HOMEOWNERS COULD NOT BE HERE TODAY. SO THEY COULD NOT PROVIDE THE TESTIMONY DIRECTLY. EACH OF THEM HAS GREATER UNDERSTANDING OF THE, OF THE INFORMATION AT ISSUE THAN I DO. BECAUSE AS I SAY, OUR PROPERTY IS THE ONE LEAST AFFECTED BY THIS. I'M JUST THE LUCKY ONE WHO WAS HERE TODAY AND ABLE TO COME. IF THE BOARD COULD, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THEIR TESTIMONY AT A LATER DATE IF THAT IS DEEMED IMPORTANT BY THE BOARD. AND IF WE'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, TO EXPLAIN WHAT IS IN THE LETTER, THE RE THE REMAINDER OF THAT LETTER, WE'D BE HAPPY TO PRESENT THEM HERE LIVE AND YOU CAN CROSS EXAMINEE THEM AT WILL. ANY QUESTIONS THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ASK, ASK US. I ASSUME HE'S NOT GOOD TO READ THE LETTER. CORRECT. OKAY. JUST WANNA CLARIFY THAT. OKAY. SO YOU, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU HAVE SAID WHAT YOU WANTED TO SAY. 'CAUSE I KNOW YOU SPOKE ON BEHALF OF YOUR NEIGHBORS. I DON'T BELIEVE I HEARD ANYTHING FROM YOU OTHER THAN YOU'RE NOT AS, I'M NOT PARTICULARLY OFFENDED BY ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED ON THE PROPERTY. 'CAUSE I DON'T HEAR IT. OKAY. I DON'T SEE IT. OKAY. OKAY. THEIR, THEIR PROPERTY IS BLOCKED BY A LINE OF TREES IN EACH DIRECTION. MM-HMM . WE HAVE VERY LITTLE CONTACT. THE ONLY THING THAT AFFECTS US, I THINK, DIRECTLY PERHAPS, IS WHAT IT MAY DO TO THE PROPERTY VALUES IN GENERAL. SURE. UH, WE UNDERSTAND, YOU KNOW, FROM THE, FROM WHAT WE'VE LEARNED, THAT THIS IS A FIVE ACRE PROPERTY AND THAT SURELY THERE IS SOME OTHER ALTERNATIVE WITHIN THAT THAT WOULD NOT BE WITHIN 29 FEET OF THE NEXT CLOSEST NEIGHBOR, WHICH IN THIS AREA AT LEAST IS A REMARKABLE EXCEPTION. THANK YOU. DO YOU BORDER A CORNER OF OUR PROPERTY? I THINK TOUCHES THE CORNER OF THEIRS IF WE WERE IN A SQUARE MM-HMM . THERE'S A PROPERTY RIGHT BEHIND US MM-HMM . THEIR PROPERTY. MM-HMM . THE MANOR'S PROPERTY MM-HMM . AND OUR PROPERTY. DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? YES. SO THE DISTANCE BETWEEN YOU AND THEIR PROPERTY IS, OH, UH, WE, WE BORDER RIGHT THERE ON THE CORNER IS RIGHT THERE, BUT THERE'S A LINE OF TREES. AND I WOULD BE ASKING TO BE UNREASONABLE IF I WERE SUGGESTING THAT THOSE TREES SOMEHOW DON'T PROVIDE ENOUGH PRIVACY. THEY DO FOR US. EXACTLY. THEY JUST DON'T FOR THE PROPERTIES NEXT TO US. THANK YOU. WHICH IS HEARSAY. BUT IF, IF THAT'S, IF WHAT YOU'RE UPSET ABOUT IS THAT THERE'S HEARSAY AND THEN I CAN'T GET INTO THE SPEAKING, GIVING ANY TESTIMONY AS TO THE MATTER ASSERTED WITHOUT THEM BEING HERE, THEN WE WOULD ASK THE BOARD FOR CONTINUANCE, ALLOW US TO COME BACK WITH THE TESTIMONY OF THESE INDIVIDUALS WILL BE ACTUALLY HARMED BY THIS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MR. DOS, CAN YOU PROVIDE ANY GUIDANCE ON WHETHER THE BOARD CAN CONSIDER PROPERTY VALUE, UH, CHANGES? THAT'S A PRETTY ROUTINE CONSIDERATION. PEOPLE RAISE IT ALL THE TIME. YEAH. THE ARGUMENT COULD BE MADE TO SAY THAT THIS COULD ADVERSELY AFFECT PROPERTY VALUES. IT MIGHT IMPROVE, WHO KNOWS? SO IT'S SPECULATIVE IN SOME RESPECT. AND IT'S UP TO YOU TO DECIDE IF YOU THINK IT'S CREDIBLE. OKAY. THE ARGUMENT THAT IT'LL ADVERSELY AND WHAT I'M ASSUMING WHAT YOU'RE HEARING IS IT'S GONNA ADVERSELY AFFECT THE VALUES OF SURRENDER PROPERTY. MM-HMM . THAT'S DECIDE. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FROM PUBLIC? EXCUSE ME. JUST NEED YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. UH, WILL CARNEY THREE 12 TARKENTON ROAD UNDERSTAND CARNEY, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT TRUTH. I DO. RIGHT AHEAD. ALRIGHT. MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING ME THE OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK IN SUPPORT OF MY NEIGHBOR AND THEIR REQUEST FOR RELIEF ON THE SETBACK REQUIREMENT APPLICABLE TO THE PROPOSED 272 SQUARE FOOT FULL HOUSE. I WANNA BEGIN BY SAYING THAT, UH, I, SPEAKING AS AN ADJACENT NEIGHBOR WITH LINE OF SIGHT, THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE [00:30:01] AND IS ONE WHO HAS PERSONALLY EXPERIENCED WHAT KIND NEIGHBORS THEY ARE. UH, THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN CONSIDERATE, GENEROUS, RESPECTFUL, AND RESPECTFUL TO THOSE AROUND THEM. THEY HAVE EVEN KIND ENOUGH TO ALLOW MY CHILDREN TO ENJOY THEIR POOL. HOWEVER, I'M NOT ASKING THE COUNSEL TO GRANT THIS REQUEST SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY'RE GOOD NEIGHBORS. I BELIEVE THE CIRCUMSTANCES OF THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY SUPPORT THE REQUESTED RELIEF ON THEIR OWN MERITS. FIRST, I UNDERSTAND THE ISSUE BEFORE THE COUNCIL IS NOT SIMPLY THE SIZE OF THE POOL HOUSE. THE 272 SQUARE FOOT STRUCTURE IS SUBJECT TO A GREATER SETBACK REQUIREMENT, UH, THEN THAT OF A 200 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FOOT STRUCTURE. AND THE PROPOSED LOCATION DOES NOT MEET THAT LARGER SETBACK. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNCIL TO CONSIDER WHETHER THE STRICT APPLICATION OF THAT ADDITIONAL SETBACK IS NECESSARY TO PROTECT THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCES. THE POOL HOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY 50 YARDS FROM THE TWO HOMES DIRECTLY BEHIND THE PROPERTY. THAT IS A SUBSTANTIAL DISTANCE. AND THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE IS NOT BEING PLACED IMMEDIATELY ADJACENT TO THOSE HOMES. MORE IMPORTANTLY, THE HOMEOWNER HAS MADE SIGNIFICANT EFFORT TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PRIVACY AND SCREENING. HE'S PLANTED APPROXIMATELY 80 TREES AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH WILL CONTINUE TO MATURE, CREATE AN EVEN GREATER NATURAL BUFFER BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES. WHATEVER CONCERNS MAY EXIST ABOUT THE VISIBILITY FROM THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES, THE HOMEOWNER IS TAKING MEANINGFUL STEPS TO ADDRESS THEM. AND FROM MY OWN VANTAGE POINT, WHICH IS ALSO ABOUT 50 YARDS AWAY, 80 SQUARE FEET IS INCONSEQUENTIAL TO MY VIEW. SECOND, THE PROPOSED POOL HOUSE DOES NOT INTRODUCE A NEW OR INCOMPATIBLE USE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD. IT IS A PRIVATE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SERVING AS AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL, SERVING AN EXISTING RESIDENTIAL POOL. IT IS NOT A SEPARATE RESIDENCE COMMERCIAL OPERATION OR USE THAT WOULD CREATE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC OR MATERIAL CHANGE OR MATERIALLY CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY. THE ADDITIONAL 72 SQUARE FEET DOES NOT FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE HOW THE PROPERTY IS BEING USED. THE PROPOSED IMPROVEMENT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL APPLICABLE BUILDING REQUIREMENTS. THOSE IMPROVEMENTS WILL BE REFLECTED APPROPRIATELY IN THE PROPERTY'S ASSESSMENT AND IT'LL SUPPORT TOWNSHIP REVENUE. AGAIN, I KNOW WE TALKED ABOUT THAT POTENTIALLY BEING SUBJECTIVE, BUT AGAIN, LOOKING AT POTENTIAL IMPROVEMENT, INSTEAD OF LEAVING THE TOWNSHIP WITH AN UNCOMMITTED IMPROVEMENT, IT WILL ENHANCE THE PROPERTY AND THE NEIGHBORHOOD WITHOUT CREATING ADDITIONAL DEMANDS ON TOWNSHIP SERVICES. I RECOGNIZE THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS ESTABLISHED REGULATIONS GOVERNING, GOVERNING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND I RESPECT THE IMPORTANCE OF THOSE REGULATIONS. THE QUESTION BEFORE THE COUNCIL, HOWEVER, AS WHETHER GRANTING THIS LIMITED RELIEF FOR THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY WOULD CREATE A SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORHOOD OR UNDERMINE THE PURPOSE OF THOSE REGULATIONS, I RESPECTFULLY BELIEVE THAT THE ANSWER IS NO. IN THIS CASE, I BELIEVE THE UNDERLYING PURPOSE OF THE SETBACK REGULATION IS BEING MEANINGFULLY ADDRESSED BY THE DISTANCE FROM THE NEIGHBORING HOMES AND THE SIGNIFICANT PRIVACY LANDSCAPING. FOR THOSE REASONS, I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE COUNSEL TO APPROVE THE REQUESTED RELIEF SUBJECT TO WHATEVER REASONABLE CONDITIONS OF TOWNSHIP BELIEFS ARE APPROPRIATE. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. I NEED TO MAKE TWO CLARIFICATIONS, MADAM CHAIR. MM-HMM . UM, BEFORE WE CLOSE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, THE ONE LINE THAT I REFER TO ON THE NORTH, UH, WEST PART OF THE PLAN, UM, IS A SEPTIC SYSTEM BUFFER. UM, AND, UM, THE PERMIT PLAN INDICATES THAT THE FENCE HAS TO BE RELOCATED. SO I WOULDN'T WANT TO, I THINK THAT THAT SHOULD BE RESPECTED BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THE PERMIT PLAN SAYS TO DO. UM, AND THAT WAS WHAT WAS APPROVED ON THE PERMIT PLAN. AND I, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN GIVE A DEVIATION FROM THAT. SO I THINK THE FENCE NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED. IT'S A TEMPORARY, IT DOESN'T HAVE A CONCRETE. DOES THAT NOT, SO IT, IT IS CLEARLY ON THE PERMIT PLAN THAT IT NEEDS TO BE RELOCATED AND IT HAS A LABEL TO THAT EFFECT. OKAY. THERE'S TWO ISSUES. THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE FENCE TYPE OF THE FENCE TO ALLOW HABITAT TO LEAVE. CORRECT. THEN THERE'S ALSO THE INSTALLATION OF THE FENCE. AND IT'S, SO WHAT MICHELLE, UH, COMMENTED ON EARLIER, WHICH WOULD'VE BEEN COMMON FROM THE BOARD ENGINEER, IS THAT THE INSTALLATION, THE, THE TYPE OF INSTALLATION HAS TO BE MORE TEMPORARY IN NATURE AS OPPOSED TO SOMETHING THAT SET IN CONCRETE OR STUFF. IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH THING? WHICH IT IS. AND, AND TYPICALLY THAT IS A WOOD SPLIT RAIL TYPE FENCE, NOT A CHAIN LINK FENCE FOR A POOL. SO JUST GONNA CLARIFY THAT. AND YOU HAVEN'T CLOSED THE PUBLIC YET, SO, RIGHT. SO THE FENCE IS NOT IN COMPLIANCE WITH THE PERMIT. THE PERMIT SAID IT NEEDED TO BE CORRECT. RELOCATED YES. AND IT NEVER WAS? CORRECT. OKAY. AND THERE'S NO RELIEF THAT THE BOARD COULD PROVIDE YOU ASKING? I DON'T BELIEVE [00:35:01] SO. . OKAY. CAN YOU SHOW ME WHERE IT SAYS, UH, ON THE, I THOUGHT IT JUST SAID TO MAINTAIN THE BARRIER PER THE CODE. CODE, THE FENCE IS SHOWN OVER HERE AND IT SAYS RELOCATE CHAIN LINK FENCE TO MAINTAIN POOL BARRIER PER CODE. THAT'S WHAT I DID. IT PULLS THE INTENT OF THE FENCE IS TO MAKE SURE YOU DON'T HAVE PEOPLE CLIMBING OVER THE FENCE AND YOU HAVE TO HAVE A CERTAIN OR A CERTAIN SIZE. MICHELLE, WHAT ARE YOU REFERRING TO? TO, I DON'T WANT TO INVOLVED IN A CONVERSATION RIGHT. WITH THE APPLICANT REGARDING A PERMIT. CORRECT. IT WILL BE UP TO THE ZONING OFFICER TO DETERMINE THE APPROPRIATE LOCATION FOR THAT FENCE. OKAY. OKAY. LET'S GET THROUGH PUBLIC COMMENT. YEP. AND WE'LL REVISIT THE FENCE. DOES ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC WANTS TO SPEAK? I'M REPRESENTING, MY NAME'S ANDREW TEKO. I'M REPRESENTING DAVE AND SANDY, NO, AT 3 0 2 TUCKERTON. I HAVE A LETTER FROM THEM, BUT I CAN'T READ IT, SO THAT'S CORRECT. UM, CAN YOU SPELL YOUR LAST NAME PLEASE? T-E-R-E-F-E-N-K-O. OKAY. YOUR HONOR. YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? THE ADDRESS FOR ME OR FOR, UH, 37 SLEEPY HOLLOW DRIVE, TABERNACLE, NEW JERSEY. TARA, THANK YOU. SWEAR. THE TESTIMONY TO GIVE TO THE BOARD BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, BUT THE TRUTH. YES, AHEAD. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, I'LL KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. UM, I SPOKE WITH MY AUNT AND UNCLE. THEY, THEY COULDN'T BE HERE. THEY HAVE A LETTER. THEIR ONLY CONCERN IS THAT THE PROPERTY, ACTUALLY, THE PROPERTY VALUES GO UP, SO THEY'RE FOR IT. THEY ARE HAPPY TO, YOU KNOW, APPROVE IT, YOU KNOW, FROM, FROM THEIR STANDPOINT. SO, AND WHERE THEY LIVE AT? 3 0 2 TUCKERTON. 3 0 2 TUCKER 3 0 2. OKAY. AND THEY'VE NEVER HEARD ANY MUSIC OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT OKAY. DOWN THERE. OKAY. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. MR. CARNEY, WHAT, WHAT WAS YOUR ADDRESS? YOU WERE TALKING HIM THREE 12. THREE 12? YEAH. OKAY, GOTCHA. 3 12 2. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? DO I, DO I RESPOND TO ANY OF THAT OR YOU, YOU CAN ONCE WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. MR. CARNEY. MR. CARNEY, DID YOU SAY THAT? HAVE, HAVE YOU HEARD THIS NOISE OR THERE A NOISE PROBLEM FOR YOU? NOISE PROBLEMS. MM-HMM . I WOULD SAY KIDS OUT PLAYING. I, I MEAN, I, I HEARD SOMEBODY THE CONCERNED BEFORE. UM, I DON'T HAVE THOSE SAME CONCERNS. MM-HMM . UM, IF SOMEBODY'S OUT IN THE BACKYARD AND THEY'RE DOING CONSTRUCTION, I MEAN, THAT'S A TEMPORARY THING THAT'S GONNA BE THERE. UM, BUT IN TERMS OF BIG PARTIES, I THINK THAT MAY HAVE, I, NO, NOT FROM WHAT I'VE SEEN. I MEAN, NOTHING I WOULD SAY THAT'S OUTSIDE WHAT IS TYPICAL AND NORMAL THAT YOU WOULD EXPECT IN A MEDFORD TOWN. THANK YOU. YEP. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? SEEING NONE HERE. A MOTION TO CLOSE? MOTION. MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. YOU CAN COME BACK UP. OKAY. UM, IN RESPONSE TO THE NEIGHBORS SAYING THAT THEY WERE NEVER TOLD, THAT'S COMPLETELY FALSE. WE HAVE, I HAVE HERE, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU GUYS WANT IT, I HAVE TEXT MESSAGES FROM THREE MONTHS PRIOR TO US EVEN PUTTING THE PERMIT IN. AND THAT NEIGHBOR THAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT, THE MANNERS, SAY IN THE TEXT MESSAGE, TAKE DOWN AS MANY TREES AS YOU CAN BECAUSE WE LOVE THE SUN ON OUR POOL. IT HELPS THEM WITH THE HEAT. SO IF YOU GUYS WANT, AND NO, I MEAN, I DON'T, GETTING INTO THE HEARSAY. YEAH. AND I DON'T THINK IT'S RELEVANT. I MEAN, YOU'RE REQUIRED TO , I'M JUST, I'M JUST, JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT IT'S JUST THAT'S COMPLETELY FALSE. THAT STATEMENT. AS A NEIGHBOR, WE LET THEM KNOW THAT WE WERE, DO WHAT WE WERE DOING. WE TOLD 'EM THAT, THAT WE WOULD SEE CONSTRUCTION VEHICLES BACK THERE. UM, SO I, I JUST, I I JUST WANTED TO GET THAT ON THE RECORD SAYING THAT, THAT'S JUST COMPLETELY FALSE. OKAY. YOU, YEP. OKAY. I DON'T WANT TO GO BACK TO TALKING ABOUT THE FENCE, BUT I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THIS. WHATEVER WE DO HERE INVOLVING THE FENCE, WE'RE JUST GONNA LET ZONING HANDLE IT. CORRECT. OKAY. WHATEVER'S REQUIRED FROM THE DEPARTMENT DEPARTMENT, CORRECT. [00:40:02] YOU CAN COME BACK UP. OH, OKAY. I THINK, UM, IN MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER, SHE, SHE LAYS OUT THE, UM, THE TESTIMONY THAT NEEDS TO BE LAID OUT. OKAY. FOR THIS VARIANCE. THE ONE OF THE NEIGHBORS DID A GREAT JOB, UH, GOING THROUGH THOSE REASONS, BUT I HAVEN'T REALLY HEARD YOU GO THROUGH THOSE REASONS. SO IF YOU HAVE THAT LETTER AND YOU NEED THOSE SPECIFIC AREAS OF THE LAW, THAT MIGHT BE HELPFUL FOR YOU TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY. BUT I THINK I WOULD LIKE TO HEAR THOSE SPECIAL REASONS THAT ARE, ARE YOU SAYING WHY, WHY I HAVE TO KEEP THE POOL CABANA WHERE IT IS FOR THE VARIANCE RELIEF? YES. OKAY. THE, YEAH, BECAUSE I CAN'T GO TO THE LEFT OF THE POOL WHERE IT IS NOW BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE INTO THE, THE BUFFER, THE WETLANDS BUFFER. IF I GO IN FRONT OF THE POOL, IT'D BE RIGHT UP AGAINST MY HOUSE. THE ONLY PLACE I COULD GO WOULD BE TO THE RIGHT HAND SIDE. BUT AGAIN, THAT'S WHERE THE SEPTIC GOT APPROVED FOR OUR BATHROOM, FOR OUR POOL CABANA. SO THAT'S ALREADY BEEN APPROVED BY THE BOARD OF HEALTH AND THE PIPES ALREADY RAN TO MY SEPTIC SYSTEM. AND THEN BEHIND THAT IS MY FIRE PIT THAT'S ALREADY INSTALLED RIGHT THERE. AND THEN YOU GET, YOU KEEP I IMPORTING CLOSER TO, IT'S JUST REALLY NOT A PRACTICAL PLACE ANY, ANY OTHER PLACE TO DO IT. YOU HAVE YOUR, MY SEPTIC SYSTEM ALL THE WAY OVER TO THE RIGHT. THAT'S WHERE MY SEPTIC FIELD IS. SO, AND WE'RE REALLY NOT TRYING TO PULL IT SO CLOSE TO THE HOUSE WHERE IT BLOCKS THE VIEW OF OUR POOL. WHEN YOU COME OUTSIDE OF OUR BACKYARD. I DON'T, YOU KNOW, THE WHOLE POINT IS TO, YOU KNOW, ENJOY IT. UM, I DO HAVE, SO WE HAD, I HAD SOME PEOPLE WORK ON THIS WITH ME AND IT'S THE, ARE WE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 29 FOOT, THE LANDSCAPE BUFFER. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT GOING OVER THE, THE HEIGHT OF IT. WE'RE TRYING TO MAKE A DESIRABLE VISUAL ENVIRONMENT THROUGH CREATIVE DEVELOPMENT TECHNIQUES FOR A GOOD CIVIC DESIGN AND ARRANGEMENT. UM, AND LIKE I SAID, LIKE THERE'S JUST SO MANY OTHER CHALLENGES TO TRY TO PUT IT ANYWHERE ELSE WITHOUT HAVING TO TAKE OUT TREES AND STUFF OF THAT NATURE AND ALREADY STRUCTURED, THAT'S ALREADY IN THE GROUND. AND, YOU KNOW, IN MY YARD. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK IT'S PRACTICAL TO PUT IT BETWEEN MY, IF I PUT IT BETWEEN MY HOUSE AND THE FRONT OF THE POOL, I WOULD HAVE LIKE THREE FEET OF CLEARANCE ON EITHER SIDE. SO LIKE, AND THEN I'M ALSO BE RIPPING UP ALREADY DONE PA YOU KNOW, PAVERS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. I'M JUST TRYING TO BE REALISTIC HERE. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT IS A, IT, IT'S 72 FEET. LIKE IF I PUT THE PLAN IN AT 200 FEET, WE WOULDN'T EVEN BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION. THAT'S RIGHT. YEAH. RIGHT. SECOND. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR NO COMMENTS? OKAY. UM, THE CABANA, THERE WAS A COMMENT CONCERN REGARDING THE NOISE FROM THE CABANA AND THE PURPOSE OF THE CABANA. SO DO YOU HAVE ANY TESTIMONY, FURTHER TESTIMONY REGARDING THE USE OF THE CABANA? AND I I CAN, I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT WE ARE NEVER OUT THERE PAST NINE O'CLOCK, 8 30, 9 O'CLOCK. WE NEVER HAVE ALLOWED MUSIC ON. I WOULD EVEN MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT WITH ALL THE BUFFER TREES THAT WE DID PLANT, THEY'RE ONLY GONNA GET BIGGER AND THICKER. YOU COULD SEE IN EXHIBIT A THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND THAT HOUSE, THAT'S DIRECTLY BEHIND US ON HOW MANY TREES WE PUT IN BETWEEN THE SKIP LAURELS, THE ARBOR ES THAT GROW BIG AND WIDE, THEY'RE GONNA BE ABOUT 15, 20 FEET HERE IN A LITTLE BIT. THE POOL CABANA EVEN WILL BE MORE OF A BUFFER OF ANY NOISE BECAUSE IT, THE BACK FACES THEM. IT'S NOT LIKE WE'RE OPENING THE FRONT OF THE CABANA AND IT'S IN THEIR BACKYARD. THEY WOULD SEE, THEY WOULDN'T EVEN, THEY WON'T EVEN SEE IT TO BEGIN WITH BECAUSE IT'S ONLY 10 FOOT HIGH. BUT IT WOULD CREATE MORE OF A BUFFER FOR NOISE IF THERE WAS A CONCERN THERE. BUT AGAIN, WE'RE RESPECTFUL PEOPLE. WE DON'T THROW RAGING PARTIES. [00:45:01] WE HAVE A 11-YEAR-OLD AND A 8-YEAR-OLD. YOU KNOW, I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT UP ALL HOURS OF THE NIGHT THROWING HUGE PARTIES. THE KEG PARTY DAYS ARE BEHIND US. . OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? ANY ELSE? . OKAY, MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? NO, I DON'T. BOARD HAS QUESTIONS. I DON'T THINK I HAVE ANY, ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS THIS TIME. I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION IF THE BOARD'S READY ASK QUESTION. MM-HMM. NO. OKAY. THE CONCERN I'M HEARING IS ABOUT NORRIS, CORRECT? CORRECT. ? YEAH. YES. OKAY. SO IF THE CABANA IS NOT, WOULDN'T BE BUILT AND IT'S THE SAME SITUATION, WOULDN'T YOU HEAR THE SAME NOISE? WHY? WHY IS THERE A CONCERN ACROSS THE CABANA AND THE NOISE? THE CABANA WOULD BLOCK THE NOISE. THEY'D BLOCK IT. YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. I, I JUST CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. I ALSO ADDRESS, WE, WE, WE CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT, WE CLOSE. YEAH. WE CAN'T, I, SO I THINK MR HA, YOU EXPRESS YOUR CONCERN. WOULD YOU THINK THAT'S FURTHER REASON? I, I AGREE. I MEAN THE, THE COMMAND'S NOT THERE RIGHT NOW, RIGHT? IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S NOT THERE. NO. SO ANY NOISE? THERE'S NO NOISE RIGHT NOW RELATED TO THE NEVADA, THIS IS, DOESN'T EXIST. PERHAPS THERE'S CONSTRUCTION NOISE OR NOISE FROM THE POOL, WHICH IS NORMAL AND EXPECTED FOR THE POOL. SO I DON'T, I I WASN'T FOLLOWING THE, THE COMMENT ON THE NOISE. UM, YEAH, I COULD SEE LIKE YOU SAID, TEMPORARY NOISE UNDER CONSTRUCTION OR WHATEVER, THAT TYPE OF THING. BUT ONCE THE CABANA IS BUILT AT THAT POINT, IT'S GONNA BE THE SAME ACTIVITIES OUT THERE IN A POOL VERSUS A POOL THAT HAS A CABANA. EXCEPT NOW I HAVE A CHANGE IN PLACE. EXACTLY. AND MAYBE A BATHROOM LIKE YOU SAID, IN MY OPINION. OKAY. AND I JUST DON'T SEE THE, THE VALUE IN MOVEMENT. UNDERSTAND. YEAH. HERE, NOTHING, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THIS THE WAY IT IS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, IDEA THAT THE FENCE HAS TO BE ADDRESSED THROUGH THE ZONING, THE PROPER CHANNELS. YEAH. IF IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED, IT NEEDS TO BE MOVED. IF, WHATEVER IT HAS TO HAVE HAPPENED, WE'RE NOT MAKING ANY JUDGMENT ON THAT RIGHT NOW. OKAY. SO I WILL APPROVE THIS AS IS, UM, BASED ON THAT BEING RECTIFIED MM-HMM . IS THERE ANY OTHER REQUIREMENTS THAT WE NEEDED TO ADD THERE JUST TO SETBACK FOR 29 FEET? CONCERN ABOUT THE TREE PLANTING AND COMPLIANCE FROM THE TREE PLANTING? THAT WAS, SO THE, THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY WAS THEY, THEY PLANTED ARB, RAVIE, ARB, RAVIE GROW VERY QUICKLY, BUT THEY'RE NOT VERY LONG LIVED. THEY TEND TO BREAK. UM, AND THEY'RE REALLY NOT A NATIVE TREE. SO TREE FROGS DON'T REALLY LIKE THEM. MM-HMM . UM, ANY NATIVES DON'T REALLY LIKE THEM. SO, UM, YES, WE WOULD PREFER TO SEE SOMETHING CONSISTENT WITH THE, THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE LANDSCAPE ORDINANCE. OKAY. I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THAT THE TESTIMONY WAS THAT YOU HAD ALREADY WORKED WITH THE APPLICANT ON NO MA'AM. IN THE TREES. OKAY. OKAY. THEN LET'S GO BACK AND TALK ABOUT THE TREES. SO IS THAT THE NEXT STEP WHERE YOU WERE WORKING? WELL, THEY HAD ALREADY MADE TESTIMONY THAT THEY'RE WILLING TO DO WHATEVER WAS NECESSARY. WE JUST NEED TO LAID OUT, WELL, I, MAYBE I CAN CLARIFY THAT YOUR TESTIMONY, THERE'S CONCERNS IN MICHELLE'S LETTER ABOUT NUMBER OF TREES, WHICH IS AN ORDINANCE ISSUE, HAVING TREES REMOVED. AND THEN WE HEARD TESTIMONY FROM THE APPLICANT THAT THEY PLANTED A NUMBER OF TREES AND DIDN'T REMOVE ANY SINCE THE POOL PRE PRESUMABLY TO COMPENSATE FOR THE LOSS IN NUMBER. AND I THINK THEY TESTIFIED IF THEY EVEN PLANTED MORE THAN THE NUMBER THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. HEARING, HEARING FROM MICHELLE IS THAT IT'S NOT JUST THE NUMBER, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SPECIES. CORRECT? CORRECT. IT HAS TO BE PLANTED AS WELL. HAS ANYBODY DONE A SURVEY OF HOW OUT THE BLINDS IT'S WITH THE ORDINANCE AND WHAT WOULD NEED TO DO? SO JUST LOOKING AT THE IMAGERY, UM, IT'S PRIMARILY, I GUESS, ARE THEY EMERALD GREEN OR WHAT KIND OF A VARIETY ARE THEY? THEY'RE THE, THEY'RE THE, I DON'T REALLY KNOW THE EXACT NAME, BUT THEY'RE THE ONES THAT THE DEERS DON'T EAT. 'CAUSE WE LEARNED A HARD WAY. WE PUT A REGULAR ARBOR VARIETY IN AND THE LOOKED LIKE A Q-TIP. SO THESE ONES, YEAH. SO THESE, THESE ONES THAT DEER [00:50:01] DON'T EAT. AND AGAIN, I'LL PUT I, I UNDERSTAND ANY, ANY MORE TREES YOU GUYS WANT? I LIKE, I'M NOT, I'M NOT WORRIED ABOUT THAT. I I WILL, I'LL TOTALLY DO THAT. UM, LIKE I SAID, THE WHOLE REASON I DIDN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THIS NATIVE THING. LIKE I, I DIDN'T KNOW THAT THE WHOLE REASON WAS, WAS TO HELP THE PRIVACY BETWEEN US AND THE NEIGHBORS. AND THESE WERE THE BEST TREES IN OUR OPINION TO GET THAT PRIVACY. THAT ONE. YEAH. SO YOU, YOU TELL ME WHAT KIND OF TREES YOU WANT, MAN, I'LL GET, I'LL GET YOU A TREE. IT SOUNDS LIKE THE BEST THING TO DO IF THE BOARD'S INCLINED TO APPROVE IT WOULD BE A CONDITION THAT THE APPLICANT WORKED WITH THE BOARD. WELL IS IT SPECIFIC TO GIVE A, A TYPE AND AN AMOUNT THAT WE'RE EXPECTING THERE'S A, TO PUT IT IN THIS OR DO YOU WANNA TAKE SEPARATE SO THERE'S A WHOLE LIST OF TREES IN THE CODE? UM, SURE IT'S LAW. YEAH, I GOT IT. YOU KNOW, I BELIEVE IT'S PRIMARILY OAK PINE BACK HERE. THAT WOULD MAKE SENSE. UM, THE LIST HAS WOW. MORE THAN ONE ITEM ON THERE, CORRECT? SURE. YOU GUYS WANT OAK PINES? I'LL THROW SOME OAK PINES UP. YOU JUST DON ME KNOW HOW MANY YOU, I I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THE IDEA YEAH. IS TO ADDRESS WHAT'S APPROPRIATE. BUT IS THERE AN AMOUNT THAT WE NEED TO PUT IN OUR APPROVAL RIGHT NOW? UM, THE, THE THOUGHT THAT THAT WE HAD WAS IN LOOKING AT THESE IMAGE IMAGES, IT APPEARS THAT WE MAY BE ABLE TO, TO PUT SOME TREES IN BETWEEN THOSE ARBOR, YOU KNOW MM-HMM . NOT NECESSARILY PULL THEM OUT. UM, AND THEY MAY BE VERY SMALL AND LET THEM GROW. AND THEN WHEN THOSE ARBORVITAES, UM, DIE PETER OUT, WHICH THEY WILL DO, UM, THE OTHER TREES WILL HOPEFULLY HAVE GROWN ENOUGH TO PROVIDE THE INTENDED BUFFERING AND THE HABITAT. SO IS IT FAIR TO CONDITION THE APPROVAL ON THE APPLICANT WORKING WITH THE PLANNER TO RIGHT. SO WE'RE NOT SUGGESTING THAT THEY PULL EVERYTHING OUT. WE'RE SIMPLY SUGGESTING THAT THEY INFILL WITH SOME NATIVES TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. OKAY. SO I SURE, LET'S NOT GO BACKWARDS. LET'S GO FORWARD THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL. YOU'D BE ACCEPTED. YEAH. CORRECT. THAT'S NOT A PROBLEM. MM-HMM . I'LL SEND, BUT WE DON'T NEED TO PUT A NUMBER AND A SPECIFIC SPECIES. WE'RE JUST THE, I DON'T BELIEVE SO. I THINK, YOU KNOW, WHAT WE WOULD TYPICALLY DO IS I'D SEND ONE OF THE LANDSCAPE ARCHITECTS OUT. MM-HMM . THEY'LL GO OUT AND MEET WITH THE APPLICANT ON SITE, YOU KNOW, WITH SOME DIRECTION FROM ME. AND THEN THEY'LL SUGGEST, YOU KNOW, X AMOUNT OF TREES AND IF THE APPLICANT HAS AN ISSUE WITH THAT, WE'LL COME BACK TO YOU AND ASK YOU IF WHAT, WHAT YOU THINK. OBJECTION. NO. CONFUSING. SO, YOU KNOW, WE, WE'LL TRY TO BE, WE TRY TO BE REASONABLE. WE, WE DON'T WANT ANYONE TO FEEL LIKE WE'RE BEING ONEROUS. UM, BUT YOU BUILD UP THAT BUFFER. THE, THE LONG TERM BUFFERING IS REALLY WHAT WE'RE CONCERNED ABOUT. YEP. I UNDERSTAND. MM-HMM . DO YOU WANT TO COORDINATE THAT LIKE THROUGH AN EMAIL? LIKE, I THINK I HAVE YOUR EMAIL. YEAH, I CAN EMAIL YOU AND SET THAT UP. THAT'S FINE WITH ME. YEAH, I COULD DO THAT TOMORROW. I'LL EMAIL YOU TOMORROW. SO I'LL JUST ADD TO THAT APPROVAL IS THAT THEY'RE GONNA WORK WITH THE PLANNER AND ADDITIONALLY ADD TO YOUR BUFFER PERFECT. NATIVE SPECIES SUPPLEMENTS. YOU COMPLY, SUPPLEMENT. THE WORD IS SUPPLEMENT. SUPPLEMENT WHAT YOU HAVE. YEAH. AND I'LL, I'LL AGAIN, I'LL PLACE SOME BETWEEN THE PROPERTY. LET THAT YOU, YOU AND THE PROFESSIONALS WILL FIGURE IT OUT. OKAY. YEAHS FINE. THAT'S MY, THERE WAS AN ADDITIONAL COMMENT IN MICHELLE'S LETTER ABOUT EXTERIOR LIGHTING. DID WE TALK ABOUT THAT? WE, WE DIDN'T, BUT I, I WILL COMPLY WITH MICHELLE'S, UM, COMMENT AND WILL BE SOFT FOR PROVID PROPOSED IT SHOULD BE WARM COLOR, TEMPERATURE, FULL COLOR FEATURES. YEAH. AND, AND, UM, THAT'S ACCEPTABLE. YEAH. WE'RE, AND WE'RE BASICALLY JUST DOING, YOU KNOW, UH, RECESS, SOFT LIGHTING, RECESS LIGHTING, JUST FOR PATH OF TRAVEL TO THE BATHROOM. SO TO BE SAFE. THAT'S IT. AND WE'RE NOT GONNA PUT A FLOODLIGHT ON THE BACK OF THE NO, NO, NO, NO. RIGHT NOW, WE ACTUALLY HAVE IN OUR LANDSCAPE PACKAGE, NOW, WE HAVE VERY WARM LIGHTING AROUND THE WHOLE POOL RIGHT NOW. SO YOU CAN KIND OF KNOW WHERE THE PATIO IS AND YOU DON'T STEP INTO THE ROCKS. SO WE HAVE THAT WARM LIGHTING RIGHT NOW. WE, WE, THE INTENT IS TO KEEP THAT SAME, SAME THING. GREAT. THAT'S MY MOTION. OKAY. SECONDED. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. HACKETT. AYE. MR. BRIAN? AYE. VICE CHAIR? AYE MADAM CHAIR. AYE, CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR JOB. THANK YOU. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.