Jul 28, 2026 Township Council

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SORRY. THANK YOU. OKAY. THANK YOU. I'D LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING OF JULY 28TH,

[I. PUBLIC MEETINGS STATEMENT ]

THIS MEETING OF JULY 28TH, 2026 WAS POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AND THE BULLETIN BOARD OF THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING ON JUNE 16TH, 2026. ADDITIONALLY, A COPY OF THIS NOTICE IS AND HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND IS ON FILE IN THE OFFICE OF THE MUNICIPAL CLERK.

PLEASE RISE FOR THE FLAG SALUTE. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.

OKAY. ROLL CALL, PLEASE. HERE. HERE. MISS MILLS, HERE.

MAYOR VOORHEES, I'M HERE. MAYOR SUSAN HERE. ALL RIGHT.

THERE ARE NO SPECIAL PRESENTATIONS FOR COMMUNICATIONS.

[IV. Communications, Scheduling Matters, Council Agenda, Presentations and Any Amendments to the Agenda ]

SURE, MR. MAYOR. WITH THE PUBLIC'S CONCERN OVER THE STREAMING OF MEETINGS, WE'VE DISPLAYED THE LINK IN A LIVE STREAM ON THE TV BEHIND US.

WE BELIEVE THERE MAY BE AN ISSUE WITH MICROSOFT EDGE.

THAT BROWSER APPEARS TO NOT BE SUPPORTING OUR LIVE STREAM.

SO WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT IF YOU USE THAT BROWSER, YOU CONSIDER USING GOOGLE FIREFOX OR ONE OF THE OTHER BROWSERS TO, TO VIEW IT. ADDITIONALLY, IF YOU USE A BOOKMARK ON YOUR BROWSER, WE SUGGEST YOU REFRESH THE BOOKMARK.

WE'VE WORKED WITH OUR STREAMING COMPANY AND VERIFIED EVERYTHING IS WORKING ON OUR END.

SO THIS EVENING WE'RE EXPECTING STORMS. SO POWER OR INTERNET OUTAGES COULD ALSO COULD DUE TO THE WEATHER COULD OCCUR.

SO IF YOU LOSE STREAMING, IT COULD ALSO NOT BE RELATED TO ANYTHING OTHER THAN AN OUTAGE OR POWER OUTAGE OR SOMETHING ALONG THOSE LINES.

GREAT. AND WE THANK THE STAFF FOR ALL THE WORK THEY'VE DONE TO RESEARCH THIS.

AND, AND I KNOW WE CAN'T SEE IT ON THE CAMERA, BUT THE FOLKS THAT ARE HERE LIVE, THERE'S A MONITOR TO OUR LEFT THAT IS DISPLAYING THE LIVE STREAM. WE HOPE TO POTENTIALLY HAVE THAT SCREEN WITHIN VISUAL RANGE OF THE CAMERA FOR NEXT MEETING, JUST TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ALL LINED UP. MR. MAYOR, JUST THAT LIVE STREAM DID WORK FOR THOSE OTHER BROWSERS AT THE LAST MEETING.

IF IT DIDN'T WORK, WE WOULDN'T HAVE BEEN ABLE TO POST THE RECORDING FROM THAT MEETING.

SO THAT'S THE ONLY THING WE CAN POINT TO IS THAT MICROSOFT EDGE SEEMS TO BE THE ONLY ONE WHEN WE ARE GOING ON TO THE LIVE STREAM THAT IT'S, IT'S NOT LETTING, IT'S NOT SUPPORTING IT TO GO TO THE ACTUAL LIVE STREAM PORTION, RIGHT? THE BROWSER, THE PERSON VIEWING IT IS THE CHALLENGE.

CORRECT. OKAY. ANY COMMUNICATIONS FROM COUNCIL? I JUST WANT TO THANK EVERYONE INVOLVED WITH OUR FIRST PRIDE FEST THAT WE HAD HERE IN TOWN ON THE 15TH.

IT WAS DEFINITELY A GREAT NIGHT. WE HAD RESIDENTS, NON RESIDENTS.

I MEAN, THERE WERE PROBABLY, I THINK THE LAST ESTIMATE I HEARD WAS AROUND 800 OR SO PEOPLE THAT CAME THROUGH THAT NIGHT.

SO I THINK OVERALL IT WAS A REALLY BIG SUCCESS FOR THE COMMUNITY.

SO I WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY INVOLVED FOR THAT.

EXCEPT YOU FORGOT THE ICE CREAM. EXCEPT ICE CREAM.

NO ICE CREAM. THAT'S ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. NEXT YEAR.

YEAH. I JUST WANTED BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE LAST WEEK.

I JUST WANTED TO TAKE A MOMENT SINCE I WASN'T HERE TO PERSONALLY THANK CHIEF AND ALL OF OUR DEDICATED MEDFORD FIREFIGHTERS AND EMS AND ALL THE NEIGHBORING MUNICIPALITIES THAT CAME OUT TO THAT RESPONDED TO THE FELLOWSHIP ALLIANCE FIRE OVER THE JULY 4TH WEEKEND.

SO THANK GOD NO ONE WAS HURT. BUT PLEASE, THANK YOU SO MUCH.

YEAH. ANY ADDITIONAL COMMUNICATIONS? OKAY. I'D LIKE JUST TO MAKE MENTION THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY SEARCHING FOR A NEW MANAGER. WE PUT OUT THE AD.

GOSH, I DON'T KNOW THE EXACT DATE FOUR WEEKS AGO.

WE WE EXTENDED THE SEARCH FOR A 48 DAY PERIOD, WHICH WAS GOING FOR A SIX WEEK PERIOD.

SIX WEEKS. ON AUGUST 7TH. AUGUST 7TH WOULD BE THE FINAL DATE TO SUBMIT APPLICATIONS FOR THE MANAGER POSITION.

JUST FOR THE PUBLIC STANDPOINT HR IS COLLECTING ALL THE RESUMES THAT ARE BEING SENT IN.

COUNCIL. MEMBERS HAVE WHENEVER THE RESUME IS RECEIVED, IT GOES STRAIGHT ONTO THAT ONE DRIVE OR MICROSOFT DRIVE.

YOU WILL HAVE ACCESS TO SO YOU CAN SEE IT IN REAL TIME.

AND WE'LL GO BY THE PROCESS THAT WE ESTABLISHED AT THAT PARTY.

GREAT. SO THAT'S AN ACTIVE SEARCH THAT'S ONGOING.

NEXT WE HAVE SCHEDULING ITEMS. AUGUST 11TH, 2026 WILL BE A TOWN HALL STYLE MEETING RIGHT HERE IN THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING AT 630 AUGUST 11TH.

MEETING REPLACES A PREVIOUSLY SCHEDULED AUGUST 4TH MEETING.

WE'RE GOING TO MOVE TO APPROVAL OF MINUTES. WE HAVE SEVERAL. APRIL 28TH, 2026 COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES.

[V. APPROVAL OF MINUTES ]

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ANY QUESTIONS ON THE MINUTES? I JUST HAVE TO ABSTAIN FROM JULY 7TH.

ALL THREE COUNCIL SESSION AND COUNCIL MEETING MINUTES BECAUSE I WASN'T HERE.

NOTED. OKAY. ROLL CALL FOR MOTION. MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE.

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY, THE MINUTES ARE APPROVED.

ALL RIGHT, ON TO DISCUSSION ITEMS. I HAD ASKED THAT DURING THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING WE HAVE A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE OPEN

[VI. DISCUSSION ITEMS]

I'LL TURN IT OVER TO CHIEF JUST FOR A QUICK RUNDOWN.

OH. OH. I'M SORRY. NO. GO AHEAD. PLANNING BOARD, YOU HAVE ONE RESIGNATION.

ZONING BOARD, YOU HAVE ONE DUE TO OF A MEMBER.

AND DID WE GET CONFIRMATION FROM EC? I BELIEVE, YEAH, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE SAME EC.

EC IS ONE YEAH. YEAH. SO I THINK IT'S A SINGLE FOR EACH ONE.

EACH ONE. EACH BOARD HAS A SINGLE. I DON'T KNOW THE REASON FOR THE TWO VACANCIES ON THE EC AND THE EC.

EC WAS ON A MEMBER MOVED OUT OF TOWN. YEAH. SO WHENEVER THERE'S VACANCIES OR REALLY AT ANY TIME THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO APPLY FOR A BOARD.

THERE'S PHYSICAL PAPER APPLICATIONS. THERE'S SOME RIGHT HERE. THERE'S SOME IN THE PODIUM. THERE'S OBVIOUSLY A LINK ON THE WEBSITE THAT YOU CAN APPLY TO THOSE GET SENT TO THE CLERK.

CLERK AND MANAGER. AND THEN THERE ARE THERE CIRCULATED TO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL.

AND THAT'S HOW THAT PROCESS TRANSPIRES. SO WE ARE LOOKING FOR APPLICATIONS FOR PLANNING ZONING E A, C AND E, D, C. YEAH. I JUST WANT TO MAKE THAT I GUESS MORE GENERAL STATEMENT.

WE CAN MOVE ON TO THE MANAGER'S REPORT. YES. I'M SORRY.

YES. DO WE WANT TO ESTABLISH A DEADLINE FOR SUBMISSIONS OR KEEP IT OPEN FOR FOR NOW? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION STATED PRIOR THAT YOU WOULD HAVE A ROLLING PERIOD.

OKAY. HOLD UNTIL OPEN FOR A YEAR. SO I DON'T KNOW.

TYPICALLY IF YOU SET THE DEADLINE FOR THE. RIGHT, RIGHT.

IT'S UP TO YOU. YOU BASICALLY HAVE ESTABLISHED FROM THE LAST TIME THAT YOU DID IT AS A ROLLING PERIOD.

FROM WHAT I SAW BACK IN THE MINUTES, WE. IF WE JUST THINK THIS ONE OUT.

SO I'D LIKE TO SAY 30 DAYS SO THAT WE. ESPECIALLY FOR LIKE THE EDC.

THEY'VE BEEN HURTING FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE REALLY WILLING TO DO THE WORK, A MAXIMUM OF.

I WOULD LIKE IT TO BE A MAX 30. THAT WOULD GET YOU OUT.

I MEAN, THEN YOU COULD REVIEW AND POTENTIALLY APPOINT AT THE SEPTEMBER SEPTEMBER MEETING. YEAH. OKAY.

THAT'S PERFECT. YEAH. I MEAN, ANYTHING THAT COMES OUT AFTERWARDS WILL DEFINITELY HOLD ON TO AND WAIT FOR THE NEXT OPENING.

BUT I'D LOVE TO SEE THESE, THESE OPENINGS FILLED.

YEAH. SO DO YOU WANT TO YOU WANT TO PUSH AND WE NEED TIME TO REVIEW.

SO DO YOU WANT TO DO LIKE THE TUESDAY PRIOR TO THE SEPTEMBER MEETING? IS THAT A FAIR DATE TO SHOOT FOR AS A DEADLINE? OKAY. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU FOR THAT. COUNCILMAN COX ANY OTHER ANY OTHER POINTS FOR THE DISCUSSION? ITEM OF OPEN SEATS ON BOARDS AND COMMISSIONS.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. NOW WE'LL MOVE TO THE MANAGER'S REPORT.

[VII. MANAGER’S REPORT ]

SO I SPOKE WITH OUR DIRECTOR OF PUBLIC WORKS TODAY.

DPW STAFF ARE CONTINUING TO WORK THROUGH ZONE FOUR.

TRUCKS WERE IN TAUNTON LAKES TODAY SPECIFICALLY ON WENDOVER AND WILDER TRAILS.

THE SECOND TRUCK WAS OPERATING IN LAKE PINE ON FOREST AVENUE.

LAKE PINES SHOULD BE FINISHED UP BY THE END OF THE WEEK.

AND THEN THEY SHOULD BE MOVING INTO ZONE FIVE ALONG WITH CENTENNIAL LAKES.

RIGHT NOW. THEY MOVED THE CHIPPERS. CAN YOU HEAR ME? OKAY, THEY MOVED THE CHIPPERS INTO ZONE ONE NORTH OF ROUTE 70 TO PICK UP SOME OF THE SMALLER PILES THAT ARE IN ZONE ONE.

AGAIN, THIS CONTINUES TO REMAIN A PRIORITY. AGAIN, THE RECENT STORMS HAVE CAUSED ADDITIONAL VEGETATIVE DEBRIS ISSUES.

SO PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING VERY DILIGENTLY. WE HAD, WE HAD ONE PUBLIC WORKS EMPLOYEE WHO LITERALLY WAS STRUCK IN THE FACE WITH A LIGHT TOWER AND WAS LIKE TRYING TO BE BACK TO WORK THE NEXT DAY TO, TO GET ON BRUSH.

SO, I MEAN, THESE ARE DEDICATED MEN AND WOMEN WHO ARE, WHO ARE WORKING TO COLLECT A BRUSH.

I KNOW THAT WE'RE BEHIND. WE'RE WELL AWARE OF IT, AND WE'RE WORKING.

PUBLIC WORKS IS WORKING AS DILIGENTLY AS THEY CAN TO GET CAUGHT UP ON IT.

CHIEF, ONE QUESTION ON THAT. WHERE CAN PEOPLE FIND OUT WHAT ZONE THEY'RE IN? SO ON THE WEBSITE THERE IS A ZONE MAP UNDER PUBLIC WORKS.

YEAH. ZONE THREE IS OUR LARGEST ZONE, WHICH IS OUT TOWARD OUR EASTERN SIDE OF MEDFORD, TOWARD LAKE TABERNACLE AND CHEMUNG.

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BUT THIS THIS YEAR THERE WAS ALL THE ZONES HAD SIGNIFICANT BRUSH.

I MEAN, YOU KNOW, YOU'D, YOU'D GET ABOUT FOUR HOUSES AND THEY HAD TO GO DUMP AND THEN COME BACK OUT.

SO YEAH, BUT YES, ON THE ON THE WEBSITE, ON PUBLIC WORKS, IT'S BROKEN OUT.

IF ANYBODY'S NOT AWARE, ZONE ONES LIKE THE NORTH END OF TOWN, NORTH OF ROUTE 70, A LITTLE BIT OF MEDFORD VILLAGE AGAIN, ZONE THREE IS OUT TOWARD OUR EASTERN NEIGHBORS.

THEIR ZONE TWO IS THE MIDDLE LIKE DEERBROOK, BIRCHWOOD LAKES, OAKWOOD LAKES, ZONE FIVE IS HUDDLE, AND THEN ZONE FOUR IS TAUNTON LAKE CENTENNIAL LAKES, THAT DIRECTION OUT TOWARD EVESHAM AND WATERFORD.

AND WE ONLY HAVE FIVE ZONES. WE HAVE FIVE ZONES.

YES, FIVE VERY LARGE ZONES. YES. IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE, GO TO DEPARTMENTS, GO TO PUBLIC WORKS AND YOU SCROLL OVER, THE FIRST THING IS OKAY, PERFECT. YEP. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS ON BRUSH? I KNOW THAT'S A HOT TOPIC. ALL RIGHT. ANOTHER TOPIC WE WANTED TO TOUCH ON TONIGHT WAS THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT CONCERNS.

SO I WANTED TO TAKE A MINUTE AND ADDRESS THE CONCERNS THAT WERE VOICED REGARDING THE RECREATION FEE THAT WILL BE ASSESSED TO THE NEW HOMES AND ALL FOUR DEVELOPMENTS AND HOW IT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED. FIRST, I WANT TO POINT OUT THIS WAS A LAST MINUTE NEGOTIATING ITEM THAT WAS PUT TO THE TABLE BY THE DEVELOPER DUE TO THE TOWNSHIP REQUESTING THROUGHOUT THE NEGOTIATIONS THAT RECREATIONAL IMPROVEMENTS AT THESE DEVELOPMENT SITES WERE AT THE BARE MINIMUM.

SO PER THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN THEY CLEARLY WERE NOT ADDRESSING THE OVERALL RECREATIONAL NEEDS OF THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS OR THE TOWNSHIP AS A WHOLE.

SO TO ADDRESS THE CONCERN, THE DEVELOPER OFFERED THE RECREATION FEE TO SUPPORT THE EXISTING RECREATION WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP, WHICH IS HANDLED BY WIAA. DUE TO THE FACT THE REC DEPARTMENT WAS DISBANDED MORE THAN A DECADE AGO, SO THE FUNDS WILL BE DISTRIBUTED AS FOLLOWS. THERE WAS $50,000 TO MYA FOR SCHOLARSHIPS TO ASSIST THOSE WITH HARDSHIPS TO GET THEIR KIDS INVOLVED IN VARIOUS SPORTS. THE $1,374,500 TO MYA WAS BROKEN DOWN AS FOLLOWS 273,000 WENT TO SOFTBALL, AND THEN 212,000 WENT TO EACH OF THE FOLLOWING SPORTS BASEBALL, BASKETBALL, SOCCER, LACROSSE AND FOOTBALL. ADDITIONALLY, TO ADDRESS THE VARIOUS OTHER NON-PROFITS THAT SUPPORT MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND ITS RESIDENTS, 525,000 WILL BE DEDICATED TO MEDFORD TOWNSHIP TO BE DISTRIBUTED AS GRANTS TO NONPROFITS IN SUPPORT OF THEIR VARIOUS INITIATIVES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.

YOU KNOW, THERE'S A NUMBER OF EXAMPLES I COULD GIVE MEDFORD CELEBRATES. THERE'S A NUMBER OF NONPROFITS IN TOWN THAT COULD APPLY FOR THOSE GRANTS.

YOU KNOW, ONCE THE MONEY IS RECEIVED AND WE START, YOU KNOW, DELVING THAT OUT.

THERE WERE A FEW QUESTIONS FROM RESIDENTS ASKING WHY THESE FUNDS WERE NOT DIRECTED TO THE SCHOOLS.

DURING THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS, THERE WERE MULTIPLE CONVERSATIONS BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP AND THE SCHOOLS, ALONG WITH BOND COUNCILS AND THE DEVELOPERS. EVERYONE INVOLVED LOOKED AT MULTIPLE OPTIONS, INCLUDING PILOTS, AND THERE WERE NO VIABLE OPTIONS THAT COULD BE IMPLEMENTED TO PASS FUNDS DIRECTLY FROM THE NEW PROPERTIES TO THE SCHOOLS.

ON THE ADVICE OF OUR BOND COUNSEL AND LEGAL COUNSEL, DIRECT FUNDING TO THE SCHOOLS COULD NOT BE NEGOTIATED INTO THE RDA AND I KNOW THE MAYOR HAD SAID IT BEFORE. WE WERE LOOKING AT OUT OF THE BOX OPTIONS THAT JUST WERE NOT VIABLE.

SO THAT WAS THE UPDATE ON MYA. WERE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT FROM COUNCIL OR CONCERNS? ALL RIGHT. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I HAD, WHICH THE MAYOR ALREADY TOUCHED ON WAS THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER PROCESS.

IT'S FORMALLY POSTED ON, ON OUR WEBSITE. IT OPENS 629 2026.

THE CLOSING DATE IS SEVEN SEVEN. I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYBODY, ALL INTERESTED APPLICANTS, PLEASE APPLY.

IT'S A WONDERFUL ANY 887878. YES. EIGHT SEVEN 2026.

SORRY. YEP. I JUST SAID THAT WE SAID THE TUESDAY BEFORE THE TUESDAY MEETING IN SEPTEMBER.

SO THE FIRST MEETING IN SEPTEMBER, SEPTEMBER THE 1ST.

SO IF WE'RE ESTABLISHING FOR THE BOARDS THAT WILL MAKE IT AUGUST 25TH IS THE DEADLINE TO SUBMIT.

THANK YOU. YEP. CHIEF, IF I MAY, I THINK IT'S ALSO JUST IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT THOSE FUNDS FOR MYA, AS WELL AS NONPROFITS, ARE ALSO SUBJECT TO THE ISSUANCE OF CEOS THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS NOT RECEIVED ANY MONEY THUS FAR.

MYA HAS RECEIVED NO MONEY THUS FAR THAT NO MONEY IS BEING RECEIVED FOR THE CREATION OF THESE PROGRAMS ARE NOT GOING TO BEGIN UNTIL THERE'S A CEO ISSUED A 1750 PER CO. YES. CORRECT. YES. SPLIT BY. YES. YES.

DISTRIBUTED. YES. AND THEN THE ONLY OTHER THING I DID WANT TO SAY IS IN CASE ANYBODY WAS WONDERING, THE, THE REASON THE AUGUST MEETING WAS MOVED FROM THE FOURTH TO THE 11TH WAS BECAUSE THAT'S A NATIONAL NIGHT OUT AND WE WANT TO BE THERE TO SUPPORT OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT.

SO THAT WAS A DECISION TO MOVE THE MEETING JUST IN CASE THERE WERE ANY QUESTIONS ON THAT.

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MR. MAYOR, TO EXPAND A LITTLE BIT MORE ON THE PILOT ISSUE AND THE SCHOOL.

SO LET'S GIVE A COUPLE EXAMPLES SO THAT THE RESIDENTS UNDERSTAND A RESIDENTIAL PILOT, WHETHER YOU'RE DOING A 30 YEAR OR A FIVE YEAR TAX ABATEMENT PHASE IN, THE RESIDENT CAN OPT TO GO OUT AT ANY TIME OF THAT PILOT.

THERE'S NOTHING THAT HOLDS THAT THAT THE TOWNSHIP CAN HOLD THAT PERSON TO A PILOT.

THEY CAN ALWAYS GO TO REGULAR TAXATION. SO USING THE SENIOR DEVELOPMENTS THAT WE HAVE AS PROPOSED IN THIS PLAN.

ONE, THERE WAS A QUESTION WITH NOT A LOT OF CASE LAW, NOT A LOT OF UNDERSTANDING FROM OUR LEGAL SIDE.

SENIOR FREEZE. DOES IT APPLY TO A SENIOR DEVELOPMENT THAT HAS A PILOT? WE DON'T KNOW THAT THERE'S NO REAL CASE STUDY TO THAT.

DEDUCTING IT ON YOUR TAXES FOR YOUR FEDERAL TAXES.

A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF TAXES IS NOT A TAX. SO THE 4000 SALT DEDUCTION THAT YOU CAN DEDUCT ON YOUR ON YOUR TAXES FOR YOUR FEDERAL RETURN, THERE WAS A QUESTION OF CAN THAT HAPPEN? THE NJ STAY AND THEN ALSO THE NJ ANCHOR PROGRAM.

THESE TWO PROGRAMS THAT ARE OFFERED THROUGH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY ARE NOT SOMETHING THAT GETS EXTENDED INTO A PILOT AGREEMENT.

SO ONE OF THE REAL WAYS OR THE ONLY WAY THAT THE TOWNSHIP AND I KNOW THE COUNCIL SAID THAT THEY WERE AGAINST PILOTS.

BUT ONE OF THE THINGS WHEN TALKING TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AND, AND TALKING WITH OUR PROFESSIONALS IS IF WE DID A PILOT, YOU COULD ASSESS MORE MONEY TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT THAN SPLIT IT UP MORE.

THAT MIGHT GENERATE MORE MONEY INTO THE INTO THE SCHOOL.

BECAUSE OF THE LIABILITY OF THAT, A RESIDENT CAN COME, CAN REJECT THE PILOT AT ANY POINT DURING THE TERM PERIOD.

THAT THEY MIGHT EVEN DO THAT BECAUSE THEY CAN'T THEY CAN'T DEDUCT IT ON THEIR TAXES.

THEY MIGHT NOT HAVE THE AVAILABILITY TO THE ANCHOR PROGRAM, THE NJ STATE PROGRAM OR THE SENIOR FREEZE PROGRAM.

ALL OF THOSE THINGS WERE JUST SOMETHING THAT WAS TOO BIG OF A LIABILITY TO GO INTO AND THEN SEE THE POTENTIAL OF THAT PERSON COMING OUT, BECAUSE THEY DO HAVE THE RIGHT TO DISSOLVE THEIR PILOT AND GO TO REGULAR TAXATION AT ANY TIME.

RIGHT. THE RISK TO THE AND AGAIN, I THINK THE THE CONCEPT WAS THE PILOTS WOULD PAY A BOND PREMIUM AND DEFAULTING ON THE BOND DUE TO THE OPTION OF OF EACH INDIVIDUAL RESIDENT OPTING OUT WAS TOO LARGE OF A RISK, SO THAT RECENT LEGISLATION HAS ALLOWED FOR PILOTS TO GO TOWARDS A BOND. AND THEN IT'S THE THEORY IS, IS THAT THEN THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, IF IT'S FULLY FUNDED BY A PILOT, IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT HAS TO GO TO A REFERENDUM.

SO FOR ADDITIONAL FUNDING SOURCES TO BUILD A SCHOOL OR DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IF YOU'RE SAYING THAT THOSE PILOT PEOPLE ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE BENEFITING FROM THE PILOT, THAT MONEY IS GOING TO SUPPORT THAT, BUT THEN THEY HAVE THE CHANCE OF PULLING OUT.

THERE'S JUST TWO GREATER OF A RISK ON EITHER THE SCHOOL DISTRICT WHO IS FRONTING THE NOTE.

AND THEN ALSO THE MUNICIPALITY WHO WOULD THEN BACK UP THE SCHOOL DISTRICT IF THERE WAS A DEFAULT.

TOTALLY AGREE. ALL RIGHT. AND WE SHOULD HAVE MADE, I SHOULD HAVE MADE MENTIONED THIS PRIOR, BUT WE DID MOVE THE MANAGER'S REPORT PRIOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT, JUST IN AN EFFORT TO MAYBE ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS THAT MAY HAVE ARISEN PRIOR TO PUBLIC OR DURING PUBLIC COMMENT. AT THIS TIME, I'D LIKE TO OPEN THE FLOOR TO PUBLIC COMMENT.

WE'VE DISCUSSED THE NEED. I SAW TWO HANDS AT THE SAME TIME.

YOU WANTED TO BE NUMBER TWO. I AM A NUMBER TWO.

OKAY. SO NUMBER ONE. ALL RIGHT. LET ME JUST READ THE OPEN THE PUBLIC MEETING COMMENT.

I'M BEING ASKED THAT WE SPEAK CLEARLY INTO THE MICROPHONE.

YES. FROM MY FIVE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. I'VE ASKED TO MONITOR TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LIVE STREAM IS WORKING.

WE'LL DO OUR BEST TO SPEAK CLEARER AND SPEAK INTO THE MICROPHONE.

THAT WAS MY FAULT FOR NOT SPEAKING THERE. WE ARE GOING TO LIMIT PUBLIC COMMENT TO FIVE MINUTES WITH THE ADDITIONAL ONE MINUTE OF TIME.

[VIII. PUBLIC COMMENTS]

CHIEF, YOU ALL RIGHT WITH THE ONE MINUTE WARNING.

I'M GOING TO LET THIS GENTLEMAN GO FIRST. THANK YOU.

GOOD EVENING, MAYOR COUNCIL MEMBERS. MY NAME IS JOHN VENTI.

115 PARK COURT, EAST MEDFORD, NEW JERSEY. I FIRST APPEARED BEFORE YOU IN JANUARY OR FEBRUARY OF 2025, COMPLAINING ABOUT THE ROADWAYS IN LAKE PINES, SPECIFICALLY FOREST AVENUE AND THE ONE THAT GOES OVER TO DAM.

I CAN'T THINK OF THE NAME OF IT. SINCE THEN. SINCE THEN, I'VE HAD A NUMBER OF EMAILS WITH THE PREVIOUS BUSINESS MANAGER,

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I'M SORRY, HE'S THE DIRECTOR OF DPW. OKAY. CHIEF DOBY HAS TAKEN OVER IN AN ACTING ROLE FOR MR. HORNER. RECENTLY, I WROTE A COUPLE OF EMAILS TRYING TO GET SOME INPUT OF WHERE THE PROJECT IS AT.

I KNOW BEFORE MY INVOLVEMENT, A PREVIOUS NEIGHBOR GOT INVOLVED AND WE LOST LIKE FIVE YEARS BECAUSE THE PERSON THAT WAS HANDLING IT RETIRED.

AND THIS IS NOT UNCOMMON. I WORKED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR AND THE PRIVATE SECTOR, BUT I SAW WHERE THAT HAPPENED IN THE PUBLIC SECTOR.

ANYWAY, I'M JUST TRYING TO KEEP THIS GOING. I'M A CHAMPION FOR THE PROJECT, FOR OUR COMMUNITY.

ANYWAY, I SENT AN EMAIL ON I GUESS IT WAS JULY 15TH ASKING ABOUT AN ORDINANCE AND WHETHER IT WAS RELATED TO THE PROJECT IN LAKE PINE, WHICH WAS IT WAS ORDINANCE 2020 614, PROVIDING FOR VARIOUS WATER SEWER UTILITY IMPROVEMENT AND RELATED EXPENSES FOR THE TOWNSHIP.

SO MY QUESTION WAS, WOULD THAT INCLUDE LAKE PINE? AND THEN YESTERDAY I SENT ANOTHER ONE ASKING ABOUT, OH, THE OTHER THING WAS HAS THE FUNDING VIA A BOND INITIATIVE BEEN APPROVED? THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION.

AND THEN YESTERDAY I SENT ANOTHER RESOLUTION ASKING IF ANY OF THE RESOLUTIONS LISTED IN JULY 28TH COUNCIL MEETING SPECIFICALLY RELATED TO THE WORK NEEDED IN LAKE PINE, BECAUSE IT HAS REALLY DETERIORATED THE ROADWAYS AND THEIR HAZARD THAT WE HAVE NO PAVEMENTS AND WE HAVE KIDS OUT THERE WITH THEIR BICYCLES, PEOPLE GOING AROUND THE, YOU KNOW, THE DEPRESSIONS. SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, THAT'S REALLY WHY I'M HERE.

I'M TRYING TO KEEP THIS PROJECT GOING. I WANT TO FIND OUT WHERE IT'S AT.

HAS THE BOND INITIATIVE BEEN APPROVED. AND YOU KNOW, IS IT ON TRACK.

AND OKAY, I HAVE A COUPLE OF OTHER POINTS. YES, SIR.

I LIVE IN ZONE FOUR, AND I WAS LOOKING AT THE TRUCK WHEN HE WAS PICKING UP THE THE DEBRIS.

HE PUTS OUT THE OUTRIGGERS. MY QUESTION IS, DO THEY REALLY NEED TO PUT OUT THE OUTRIGGERS EVERY TIME THEY MOVE 50FT? YOU KNOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT THE DEBRIS IS THAT HEAVY WHERE THEY HAVE TO PUT OUT THE OUTRIGGERS.

BUT I'M NOT YOU KNOW, I'M NOT THE SPECIALIST THERE.

ONE OTHER THING I WOULD MAKE ON YOUR RESOLUTIONS IF YOU COULD PUT A DESCRIPTION OF WHAT THE RESOLUTION SPECIFICALLY APPLIES TO.

IT WOULD HELP. OKAY. YOU HAVE A TITLE ON ALL THE RESOLUTIONS, BUT IF YOU WOULD PUT A 2 OR 3 SENTENCE DESCRIPTION, THAT WOULD HELP TALKING ABOUT THAT.

YEAH, THAT'S THE LOOK ON MY FACE. PARDON? I JUST SPREAD IT OUT TO THE MANAGER A FEW MINUTES AGO.

IT'S REALLY AGREEABLE. SO TARA SAYS THAT THE PACKET BACK THERE NOW DOES HAVE A SUMMARY ON THE RESOLUTIONS.

YEAH. AND THE ACTUAL RESOLUTION. YEAH. IT HAS THE RESOLUTIONS, THE SUMMARY AND THE AGENDA.

OKAY. ALL RIGHT. STARTED TODAY. OKAY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH.

ALL RIGHT. THERE'S ONLY ONE COPY. OH. I'M SORRY.

OKAY. YEAH, IT'S ONE COPY. OKAY. WE WILL ADD THE SUMMARY.

ARE WE COMFORTABLE ADDING THE SUMMARY AS WELL? WE CAN DISCUSS THAT.

YEAH. OKAY. WE'LL GO BACK THROUGH YOUR QUESTIONS JUST TO MAKE SURE WE ANSWER THEM.

THANK YOU. SO MR. NOEL. YES, I CAN ANSWER THAT, MR. MAYOR. HE MENTIONED I HAVEN'T SEEN THE EMAILS THAT THAT YOU SENT, SO I SENT IT TO MR. PIKE. NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I PERSONALLY HAVEN'T SEEN IT.

BUT ANYWAY, IN ANY EVENT, FOREST AVENUE, WOODLAND AVENUE ARE GETTING WATER MAIN REPLACED, WATER MAINS REPLACED BECAUSE THEIR ASBESTOS CEMENT AND WE'VE HAD ISSUES WITH THEM.

SO WE'RE REPLACING THEM WITH DUCTILE IRON. AND THE REASON THOSE ROADS HAVEN'T BEEN PAVED BECAUSE WE WERE GETTING WATER MAIN BREAKS AND IT WAS DETERIORATING THE ROADWAYS.

ONCE THAT THAT WORK WILL BE DONE THIS FALL, THE WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT.

AND THEN WE HAVE TO DECIDE WHAT WE'RE GOING TO DO FOR FOR ROADS.

BUT THE PLAN WAS TO PAVE THOSE TWO ROADS NEXT YEAR AFTER THE TRENCHES SETTLE AND PAVE WOODLAND AND FOREST.

SO THE FUNDING HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR THE WATER MAIN.

IT HAS BEEN APPROVED FOR FOR ROAD OVERLAY, BUT WE HAVEN'T SELECTED THE ROADS YET.

BUT THOSE TWO ROADS ARE IN THE TOP PRIORITY AND THERE'S A THERE'S A GRACE PERIOD FOR SETTLING AS WE'RE EXPERIENCING.

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OKAY. FUNDING. YOU MENTIONED THE OUTRIGGERS FOR THE FOR DPW ON THE BRUSH TRUCK.

WE WILL GET TO THAT IN LATER RESOLUTIONS. BUT IF YOU CAN SPEAK TO THE STYLE OR THE FORMAT.

MEDFORD TOWNSHIP'S PHILOSOPHY ON COLLECTING BRUSH HAS BEEN USING CLAW TRUCKS AND TAKING THE RAW MATERIAL, PUTTING IT IN THE BACK OF THE TRUCK AND THEN BRINGING IT BACK TO THE YARD. OTHER TOWNS, LIKE THE TOWN WHERE I WORK IN SOUTHAMPTON, WE CHIP THE THE BRUSH. THAT'S WHY THE TOWNSHIP IS BORROWING THE CHIPPER FROM SOUTHAMPTON TO TRY AND GET THE SMALLER PILES.

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE TIME, WHETHER THE PILE IS A LITTLE BIT OF BRUSH OR A LARGE AMOUNT OF BRUSH, THEY HAVE TO STOP, PUT THE OUTRIGGERS OUT AND AND IT SLOWS DOWN THE PROCESS.

SO TO TRY AND GET US CAUGHT UP DUE TO THE MECHANICAL ISSUES, I THINK WE HAVE THREE CLAW TRUCKS.

ONE IS COMPLETELY DOWN, TWO ARE IN OPERATION.

THEY THEN BORROWED A BRUSH TRUCK FROM SOUTHAMPTON WHICH WOULD ALLOW THEM TO CHIP IT.

YOU WILL SEE LATER IN THE AGENDA. SOUTHAMPTON APPROVED THE SHARED SERVICE AGREEMENT FOR SHARING EQUIPMENT AT OUR LAST MEETING.

AND THEN THIS BODY IS IS PASSING IT AND IT SETS A SCHEDULE OF HOW MUCH THE CHARGE BETWEEN EACH TOWN.

SOUTHAMPTON'S JUST BEEN DOING IT RIGHT NOW ON A HANDSHAKE AGREEMENT ALLOWING THE TOWN BECAUSE WHAT WE DO EVERY SECOND WEEK OF THE MONTH IS A BRUSH WEEK.

SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO CALL IN. IT'S THAT'S WE PICK UP EVERY ONCE A MONTH, THE ENTIRE TOWN.

YOU'RE SAYING SOUTHAMPTON IN SOUTHAMPTON. YES.

HERE YOU DO ZONES. SO YOU'RE IT'S A LARGER TOWN OBVIOUSLY.

SO WE DON'T NEED THE CHIPPER FIRST WEEK, THIRD WEEK OR FOURTH WEEK OF THE MONTH.

SO WE'VE BEEN ALLOWING MEDFORD TO USE IT TO TRY AND CATCH UP.

SO THAT'S LIKE YOU SAID PUTTING OUT THE OUTRIGGERS.

IT HAS TO HAPPEN, BUT IT SLOWS DOWN THE PROCESS.

THAT'S WHY WE'RE USING A CHIPPER. OKAY. AND THEN FOR THE FUNDING SOURCE, THE ORDINANCES WERE ADOPTED.

THE TOWNSHIP HAS NOT GONE OUT TO ACQUIRE THE MONEY.

THEY CAN EITHER DO IT THROUGH A BAN OR A BOND.

AS WE STATED AT PREVIOUS MEETINGS, WE'RE GIVING A PRESENTATION AT THE AUGUST 11TH MEETING AFTER THE AUDIT PRESENTATION SHOWING THE CURRENT DEBT SERVICE AND HOW FUTURE DEBT SERVICES IS GOING TO AFFECT THE THE OVERALL DEBT TO THE TOWN.

THANK YOU. AND YOUR LAST POINT, THE RESOLUTIONS AND HOPEFULLY BY NEXT MEETING, THE SUMMARIES AS WELL COULD BE INCLUDED IN THAT PACKET.

SO IT'S ALL THERE FOR YOU TO HAVE. NEXT. THANK YOU MAYOR.

BRIAN CARNES 216 CHURCH ROAD. I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE.

IT'S A MESS, GUYS, BUT I HAVE A FEW LETTERS. OKAY.

AND I WANT TO SHARE IT WITH COUNCIL. AND THERE IS A REASON.

SO CAN I APPROACH? BRING IT. ON THE SECRETARY.

I GOT YOU, EVERYBODY. SO THIS IS A COPY OF AN EMAIL THAT I'M CONCERNED ABOUT.

AND THEN OF COURSE, 501 500. THANK YOU. THIS WAS BY NOW WHY YOU GUYS ARE SHARING THAT.

IS THERE A REASON, MAYOR, THAT YOU SUGGESTED THAT I'M GOING TO PUT DRUGS IN YOUR CAR TO REMOVE YOU OUT OF OFFICE? DO YOU NEED ME TO REPEAT THAT? NO, I WROTE IT DOWN.

OKAY. BUT WHY WOULD YOU SUGGEST THAT AMBER IS GOING TO STASH DRUGS IN YOUR CAR TO GET YOU OFF OF COUNCIL? AS I MENTIONED, I'LL ANSWER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS AT THE END. ALL RIGHT.

SO AS YOU GUYS SEE, I'M PASSING OUT A FEW THINGS HERE AND I WANT TO START OUT IT'S 2016, GUYS.

OKAY. AND DAVE AND I DO SPEAK OUT AGAINST THE CEMETERY.

EARL STAHL'S GOT A DEAL WITH YOU GUYS. IT'S FUNNY.

IT'S TEN YEARS LATER. AND SO WE KNOW THE COUNCIL HERE IS PISSED OFF AT US.

THE TOWNSHIP, AT THE SAME TIME, WE'RE NOT SELLING FIREWOOD.

WE'RE DELIVERING WHAT WE BRING IN ALL THE WOOD, AND WE DROP IT OFF AT OUR NEIGHBORS ACROSS THE STREET FROM THE FARM.

AT SOME POINT, DAVE AND I ARE LIKE, WELL, WHY DON'T WE START SELLING WOOD? WE'RE ALWAYS SPLITTING WOOD AND SHARING WITH OUR FRIENDS AND STUFF LIKE THAT.

AND FROM THERE, RIGHT OFF THE BAT, THAT'S YOUR FIRST COMPLAINT.

IF ANYBODY WANTS TO TALK ABOUT THE COMPLAINT, OKAY, IT'S A COMPETITOR ACROSS THE STREET, EVEN THOUGH I CAN'T BELIEVE WE'RE FIGHTING OVER FIREWOOD. I MEAN, IT'S LIKE FIGHTING OVER SCRAPS, GUYS, THERE'S NO MONEY IN IT. WHATEVER THE CASE IS. SO WE ARE DRAGGED INTO THIS WHOLE MESS, OKAY, WITH THIS NEW ADMINISTRATION THAT'S COMING IN WITH TAYLOR DESIGN, TIM PRIME, AND OF COURSE,

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AFTER MICHELLE TAYLOR HAS TOLD US STRAIGHT UP, SHE LOOKED AT THIS WHOLE DEAL AND SHE THINKS WE NEED TO GET A VARIANCE.

AND OF COURSE, THAT'S ONLY GOING TO BENEFIT THE PLANNER.

RIGHT, GUYS? SO IT'S HER DECISION. THERE'S NO FACT CHECKING OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.

SO FROM THERE OF COURSE WE DO. WE FIRE. WHO'S THE GUY MCANDREW ON MAIN STREET.

ANYBODY KNOW THAT GUY? GOOD LAWYER. COOL. BACK IN THE DAY, HE WAS FAIR WITH US.

AND WE HIRE SOME GUYS OUT OF THE AREA BECAUSE WE KNOW IT REALLY STINKS HERE.

AND FROM THERE, THE FIGHTING JUST KEEPS GOING ON.

WHY? I SHOWED YOU THAT EMAIL BETWEEN YOUR ZONING DEPARTMENT.

OKAY. IT ACTUALLY STATES IN THERE THAT. THE MEETING WAS CANCELED.

OKAY. IT WAS MEDFORD TOWNSHIP CANCELED THE MEETING.

WE HAVE TO GET NEW LAWYERS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.

THERE'S AN EMAIL FROM THE ZONING DEPARTMENT GOING OUT SAYING, HEY, MAN, DONNA SIMMONS IS PISSED, AND SO IS THE BOARD OF PROFESSIONALS WHO WOULD BE THE BOARD OF PROFESSIONALS FOR THE ZONING DEPARTMENT.

THEN. JUST TO CLARIFY, I BELIEVE IT WOULD BE THE PLANNER, MICHELLE TAYLOR, THE SAME PEOPLE WERE PAYING. YOU HAVE YOU HAVE A PLANNER, AN ENGINEER, AND AN ATTORNEY THAT IS ASSIGNED TO THE BOARD.

THEY DEAL WITH APPLICATIONS TO INDIVIDUAL BOARDS.

AND THEN YOU HAVE. SO THERE'S A ZONING PLANNER, A PLANNING PLANNER, AND THE TOWNSHIP'S OFFICIAL PLANNER.

YEAH. SO THAT THERE ARE THREE VARIOUS POSITIONS, BUT WELL, WHO WAS IT THAT, THAT THEY MENTIONED IN THERE? I DON'T HAVE THE LETTER. SORRY, BUT YOU'RE FLOATING AROUND BACK THEN, MAN.

NO. WHAT'S GOING ON? ALL RIGHT, FAIR ENOUGH. ANYWAY, YOU CAN SEE IT'S A CONSPIRACY, GUYS.

SO THE ZONING DEPARTMENT, OKAY, IS OBVIOUSLY TAINTED.

WHY ELSE WOULD THEY SAY YOU GUYS NEED TO COME INTO THIS MEETING? ONE MINUTE, MR. CARNES. I'M NOT GOING TO LISTEN TO THAT.

I WANT TO TELL YOU WHY THEY DID THAT. OKAY? BECAUSE BETH PORTCULLIS AND OUR NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET, LORRAINE GALLAGHER. OKAY, ARE SETTING UP THIS AMBUSH WHERE THEY WANT US TO WALK IN.

THIS IS AFTER I'M PAYING YOUR PLANNER A BUNCH OF MONEY.

OKAY? OUR NEIGHBOR, LORRAINE GALLAGHER, SHOWS UP UNANNOUNCED TO THIS MEETING AND ROAST OUR FAMILY.

THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED WITH THE ZONING BOARD. I DON'T RECOGNIZE ANYTHING THAT HAPPENED WITH THAT VARIANCE OR ANYTHING ELSE, GUYS. AND FROM THERE, THAT REPORT BY MICHELLE AND SCOTT TAYLOR.

GUYS IS USED EXCUSE ME AGAINST US TO CONVICT MY MOTHER.

WE WE COULDN'T GET AROUND THAT IN COURT. ANYBODY HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? WHO, WHO WHO SENT THIS EMAIL? WHO WHO'S THIS FROM? I THINK THAT'S THE LAWYER FOR THE ZONING DEPARTMENT SENDING THAT OUT.

AND IF YOU SEE IT, MAN, THE DEVIL'S IN. IT'S IN THE DETAILS, MAN.

THEY'RE THEY'RE PISSED OFF. THERE'S NOTHING BEING HELD.

NOTHING'S BEING HEARD. BUT THEY WANT US TO COME IN THERE NOW.

THAT MEETING'S CANCELED. HOW DOES OUR NEIGHBOR KNOW TO COME UP THERE AND ROAST US? AND BY THE WAY, DAVE AND I CAN TAKE A ROAST. BUT I BROUGHT UP MY MOM, MY BROTHER DALE, OUR WHOLE FAMILY.

I WAS TRYING TO SAY, HEY, MAN, WE'RE THE WALTONS.

OR ITS LITTLE HOUSE ON THE PRAIRIE OVER HERE, GUYS.

AND THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT, GUYS. IT'S A CONSPIRACY WITH YOUR ZONING DEPARTMENT OR EXPLAIN THAT EMAIL, WHAT IS GOING ON THERE. AND FROM THERE LOOK AT TAILORED DESIGNS REPORT.

DOES COUNCIL HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE PLANNER AND THE REPORT THAT WAS DONE AGAINST OUR FARM? WHAT DATE IS THIS 2017 EARLY ISH EARLIEST. THE ACTUAL EMAIL OR JUST THIS PIECE YOU GUYS.

WELL, I AM ASKING SO OVER THE YEARS GUYS, I MEAN, THERE'S BEEN A BUNCH OF EMAIL REQUESTS AND OPRAH REQUESTS.

WE WERE ALWAYS SCARED SO WE WOULD HIDE BEHIND DIFFERENT NAMES.

TARA WILL TELL YOU THAT SHE SHE TOLD SOMEBODY LIKE WHAT A YEAR AGO THAT WE NEED $750 IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT.

MR. KEARNS, I'D ASK YOU TO DIRECT YOUR COMMENTS TO TO ME, IF YOU COULD.

WELL, I'M TALKING ABOUT DEALING WITH MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND TRYING TO GET INFORMATION.

AND YOUR CLERK OVER HERE IS SAYING YOU NEED $750 TO PUT IN AN ESCROW ACCOUNT.

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I DON'T HAVE THAT OFF THE TOP OF MY HEAD. ISN'T THAT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION, THOUGH? WHAT IF THE GOVERNMENT IS SO DIRTY? SO, I MEAN, IN THE END, MR. CARNES, WHAT HAPPENS IS IF YOU ARE GOING BEFORE THE BOARD, YOU, THE TAXPAYERS HERE DON'T PAY FOR YOUR REVIEW.

YOU HAVE TO PAY FOR YOUR OWN REVIEW. AND THAT'S WHY YOU HAVE AN ESCROW.

IT'S A SLIPPERY SLOPE, MAN. IT'S I REALLY DO.

AND I DON'T THINK I THINK SHE HAD MORE TIME IN ANSWERING OUR QUESTIONS THAN THE $750 WOULD HAVE, WOULD HAVE EVEN COVERED. BUT ANYWAY. FAIR ENOUGH GUYS.

WHAT I REALLY CAME UP HERE FOR IS 500. SEE THE ORDINANCE IN CONJUNCTION.

WHAT DOES THAT MEAN? AND THIS ONE. YOU CAN READ IT, MIKE.

I MEAN, WHAT DO YOU THINK THAT MEANS? WE DON'T NEED A PROFESSIONAL THAT OBVIOUSLY HATES OUR GUTS.

WE JUST NEED SOME PEOPLE WITH COMMON SENSE UP HERE TO SAY, OKAY, WHY WAS THAT ORDINANCE WRITTEN? MICHELLE VOORHEES, THAT WAS WRITTEN IN 94. WE STILL CAN'T FIND OUT WHY, BUT AS A COUNCIL MEMBER, I THINK YOU GUYS KNOW YOU GUYS JUST DON'T WRITE ORDINANCES FOR NO REASON.

THERE HAD TO HAVE BEEN. AND MIKE, IN YOUR DEFENSE, YOU ACTUALLY LAST SUMMER TRIED TO LOOK INTO IT.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS MISTER PRIME TOLD YOU TO PISS OFF.

MISTER PRIME HAS NEVER TOLD ME TO PISS OFF. HE DID TELL YOU TO MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND DO NOT SHARE ANY OF THIS INFORMATION.

DID THAT PHONE CALL NEVER HAPPEN? I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, I KNOW.

YOU NEVER TALKED TO MR. PRIME LAST SUMMER? ABOUT 500.

SEE, I'VE HAD MANY QUESTIONS. ABOUT 500. SEE, THAT WERE BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION BY YOU.

THANK YOU. WHAT WAS THE RESULTS? HAS THERE BEEN ANY ACTION AGAINST YOUR FAMILY OR FARM OR BUSINESS? YOU THINK THAT'S ENOUGH? ARE YOU KIDDING ME? DO YOU GUYS REALLY THINK THIS IS ABOUT TREE TRUCKS? I WOULD STATE IN READING THE ORDINANCE, THIS IS A STANDARD ORDINANCE FOR MOST OF THE TOWNS IN IN THE AREA.

WE HAVE THE SAME ONE IN SOUTHAMPTON WHERE WE ALLOW ONE COMMERCIAL VEHICLE IN CERTAIN DISTRICTS.

LUMBERTON DEFINITELY HAS IT. BUT THAT'S THAT, THAT, THAT'S AN ADOPTION TO AN ORDINANCE.

WE ALL CAN PARK A COMMERCIAL TRUCK IN OUR YARD.

YOU CAN'T STOP ANYBODY FROM DOING THAT. RIGHT? WHY ONE, WHY WOULD THEY ADD THAT? IT SAYS IN CONJUNCTION, YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO FALL ON SWORDS, MAN. IT DOESN'T MATTER. DO IT. WHY WAS THAT ORDINANCE ADDED IN 94? YES, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THAT'S BEFORE, YOU KNOW, ALL THESE TURDS CAME IN AND TRIED TO DESTROY FARMS LIKE MOST OF THE MUNICIPALITIES THAT HAVE AGRICULTURE, STATE THAT AGRICULTURE VEHICLES ARE EXEMPT BECAUSE UNDER THE RIGHT TO FARM ACT, THEY WOULD BE EXEMPT. BUT IF THE AGRICULTURAL VEHICLE IS IS ENGAGED IN A COMMERCIAL BUSINESS OUTSIDE OF THE FARMING OPERATION, THAT THAT'S KIND OF WHY THE TOWN'S CLARIFIED THOSE ITEMS WITHIN WITHIN ITS.

I MEAN, IT IS A STANDARD ONE THAT I'VE I'VE SEEN THAT'S NOT STANDARD.

YOU YOUR PLANNER DIDN'T TURN IT OVER TO US. YOU UNDERSTAND THAT UNTIL AFTER MY MOM WAS CONVICTED IN A COURT? I'M KIND OF JUST TRYING TO CATCH UP WITH YOU.

I GET IT, MAN. YOU'RE ASKING ABOUT ASKING ABOUT THE ORDINANCE.

THE ORDINANCE IS FAIRLY SIMILAR TO VARIOUS TOWNS.

MEDFORD TOWNSHIP IN 94 WANTED TO PROTECT FARMS LIKE US.

THEY KNEW THE MONSTERS WERE COMING IN. THEY KNEW IT.

SO WHO WAS IT WRITTEN FOR? CAN YOU GUYS GO BACK IN 1994 AND LOOK AT, LIKE, WHAT THE PROBLEM WAS? DO YOU GUYS JUST WRITE ORDINANCES LIKE GET UP IN THE MORNING AND SAY, HEY MAN, WE JUST WANT TO DO SOMETHING? OR IS THERE A PROBLEM IN THE COMMUNITY THAT YOU'RE TRYING TO SOLVE. THAT'S WHAT IT USUALLY IS. OR SOMEBODY COMPLAINING.

SO WHAT WAS IT WRITTEN FOR? IF IT DOESN'T APPLY TO THE KHAN'S FAMILY FARM, THEN WHO DOES IT APPLY TO? WE NEED TO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE MINUTES AND PLEASE DO GUYS.

I MEAN, LISTEN, I'M NOT EVEN ASKING FOR ANY SPECIAL FAVORS.

I'M JUST ASKING FOR COMMON SENSE AND AND AND MAYBE.

OKAY, WE CAN GET DOWN TO WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

THAT EMAIL IS DAMAGING. SO I HAVE THE ZONING BOARD THAT'S AFTER US.

OKAY. CLEARLY, WHY WAS BETH PORTCULLIS REMOVED FROM OFFICE? WHEN WAS THE EMAIL? 2017. EARLY 2017. ALL RIGHT.

SO ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AFTER THE ORDINANCE THOUGH ROUGHLY THAT EMAIL SENT OUT ABOUT US.

AND HEY, WE WANT TO DRAG YOU GUYS IN. IT'S YOUR PLANNER.

IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT THEY'RE RAPING US FOR OUR MONEY.

THEY WANT TO EMBARRASS US. I'M TRYING TO GET TIMING DOWN.

WELL, I'M SORRY, RIGHT. THAT'S COOL. IN THE END.

MR. CARNES, IF MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT YOU GOT DENIED OR YOU HAD AN INFRACTION IN ORDER TO THEN ABATE THE INFRACTION,

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OKAY, FINE. YOU. I WASN'T HERE. I WAS LIKE THE CHIEF OF THE POLICE ARRESTED ME FOR SOMETHING.

OKAY. AND THEN DURING THE TRIAL, HE'S REMOVED, AND I CAN'T FIND OUT WHY.

TYPICALLY, DEPENDING ON THE ORDINANCES THAT RUN YOU, THAT TYPICALLY UNDER THE ORDINANCES IN VARIOUS TOWNS, YOU WOULD HAVE A ONE YEAR TERM FOR A ZONING OFFICER.

IT'S TYPICAL. OR YOU COULD SEE IT AS THREE. THERE'S NO STATUTE THAT STATES.

OR YOU COULD HAVE A ZONING OFFICER. THAT'S THAT'S A PERMANENT ZONING.

SO WHY WAS BETH PORTER REMOVED FROM THE ZONING DEPARTMENT? THERE'S NOTHING. HOW DID HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? IF I'M GOING TO TRANSFER SOMEBODY OUT OF ONE DEPARTMENT TO ANOTHER.

GO AHEAD, GOOGLE IT. LOOK IT UP. YOU GUYS HAVE ALL THE RECORDS? NOTHING. DO I JUST WALK UP AND SAY I'M THE MAYOR? BETH, YOU'RE OUT OF HERE, AND YOU GOT TO GO TO THIS DEPARTMENT. I THINK THE MANAGER HAS THAT POWER, BUT KATHY BURGER, CAN WE GET HER UP HERE? I MEAN, WE DON'T HAVE SUBPOENA POWER TO PULL SOMEBODY IN HERE.

BUT THE MANAGER IS IN CHARGE OF ALL UNDER THE CODE IS IN CHARGE OF ALL EMPLOYEES.

HEY, BRIAN. YES? I HEAR YOUR PASSION. I CAN'T IMAGINE WHAT YOU GUYS WENT THROUGH.

THANK YOU. WHAT YOUR MOM WENT THROUGH. BUT I GUESS PART OF ME WANTS TO ASK YOU, WHAT IS IT YOU WANT NOW? AND IF YOU CAN'T QUITE GIVE THAT ANSWER, CAN YOU GIVE US 1 TO 3 THINGS YOU WOULD LIKE US TO FOCUS ON FINDING? THANK YOU. BECAUSE OTHERWISE THIS IS GOING TO BE SO BROAD AND WE'RE ALL GOING TO BE DIGGING IN. YES. THANK YOU.

SO I WANT TO KNOW, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED.

WITH WHAT? THE VARIANCE. YOUR PLANNER AND THE ZONING DEPARTMENT GO BACK AND LOOK.

WE TRIED TO DO EVERYTHING THE RIGHT WAY. THE IDEA THAT PEOPLE THINK WE WITHDREW.

SO YOU YOU REQUESTED A VARIANCE. WE DIDN'T REQUEST ONE.

WE WERE TOLD WE GOT TO GET ONE. I'LL COME TO YOUR YARD TONIGHT AND I'LL SAY YOU CAN'T PARK IN YOUR DRIVEWAY ANYMORE UNLESS YOU GET A VARIANCE.

NO, NO, NO, IT'S OPEN TO INTERPRETATION. YOU GUYS REALLY WANT TO STEP BEHIND BETH? PROTOCOLS. LET'S DO IT. LET'S DO IT, MAN. WHEN DID IT START? 2017. 1616. OKAY, LET'S PAUSE THERE BECAUSE BRANDON DOES CRAZY RESEARCH.

THANK YOU. SORRY, CHIEF. HAVE IT. LET THEM START LOOKING.

YOU'VE SAID IT PUBLICLY, I HEAR YOU. YOU'VE GOT US.

IF ANYBODY THINKS THIS IS ABOUT TREE TRUCKS AND FIREWOOD, WE HAVE LOST THE WHOLE CONVERSATION, MAN. IT'S NOT ABOUT MONEY. IT IS ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED.

AND I HAVE THIS CRAPPY REPORT. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU GUYS CAN LOOK AT YOUR PLANNER AND SAY, WHY? WHY WOULD YOU WRITE SUCH A NEGATIVE REPORT? YOU KNOW, I'M PAYING HER AND HIM LIKE, WHAT? WHAT IS THIS, MAN? HEY, MAN, YOU GOTTA PAY ME TO. WAS THAT PART OF THE VARIANCE PROCESS? YES. LOOK AT THAT REPORT, DUDE. YEAH. OKAY. THERE'S A WE.

WHEN YOU HAVE A VARIANCE BEFORE THE BOARD, THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS OPINE ON A REPORT THAT THE APPLICANT PAYS FOR TO ADVISE THE BOARD BASED OFF OF OUR ZONING RULES AND THINGS OF THAT SORT, SO THEY CAN MAKE AN ACCURATE DECISION.

SO THAT'S THAT'S OUR STANDARD PRACTICE MOST OF THE TIME.

THERE POTENTIALLY IF THERE'S AN ENGINEERING COMPONENT, THE ENGINEER WOULD ALSO HAVE A REPORT.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART, THE PLANNER IS THE MAIN PERSON THAT PROVIDES THE REPORT BASED OFF OF THE APPLICATION GIVEN.

AND, YOU KNOW, HISTORY OF THE TOWN, THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO SELECTION OF PROFESSIONALS HAPPENS. AS WE ALL KNOW, AT THE BEGINNING OF THE YEAR YOU PUT OUT AN RFP.

THE RFP IS RESPONDED TO THE ZONING BOARD PICKS THEIR PROFESSIONALS.

YOU DO NOT YOU DO NOT HAVE ANY SAY. COUNCIL HAS NO SAY OVER ZONING MATTERS.

YOU HAVE TWO MEMBERS THAT ARE ON THE PLANNING BOARD. SO YOU HAVE SOME SOMEWHAT SAY ON THE PLANNING BOARD. BUT YOU HAVE A LOT OF SAY OVER REDEVELOPMENT ZONES BECAUSE YOU'RE THE REDEVELOPMENT. AND IN THIS INSTANCE, THE PROFESSIONALS SELECTED FOR THE ZONING BOARD ARE, ARE THE ONES WHO THROUGH OUR REVIEW OF VARIANTS THAT ARE GOING BEFORE THE ZONING.

SO WE WENT THROUGH THIS, MAN, I GOTTA TELL YOU, THE LAST FIVE YEARS WITH YOUR OLD SOLICITOR AND WE'RE GOING TO START DISCUSSING LIKE LITERALLY, MAN, IT GOES OUT TO BID. COME ON MAN, THINK ABOUT IT.

SO EVEN TONIGHT YOU OPENED UP SAYING, HEY MAN, THERE'S OPENINGS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD ZONING.

YOU'RE ENCOURAGING THE COMMUNITY TO APPLY. AND YOU ALREADY KNOW, MAN 0.0 CHANCE OF IT HAPPENING OF WHAT HAPPENING.

ANYBODY GETTING ON THE PLANNING BOARD. THERE'S APPLICATIONS RIGHT HERE.

THERE'S SOME IN THE DESK THAT THE PODIUM THAT YOU'RE AT AND THEY'RE ONLINE. I THINK WE APPOINTED.

ARE YOU GOING TO APPOINT CHUCK WATSON OR DONNA SIMMONS? AGAIN, DONNA SIMMONS NAME IS IN THERE.

YOU GUYS NOT EVEN SEE THAT 2016 GUYS. IT'S THE BOARD 2016.

SHE WAS THE CHAIRWOMAN OF THE BOARD. WELL 2022 ALBERTO WOLF'S HUSBAND IS THE CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD.

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WE'RE GOING TO REALLY TRY TO SAY THAT NOTHING FUNNY WENT ON HERE.

I MEAN, I CAN'T SPEAK. LET'S LOOK. YOU KNOW, MAN.

ALL RIGHT. WHATEVER. IT DOESN'T MATTER. LOOKING TO MOVE FORWARD IN A DID DID MIKE AND I HAVE DINNER OR NOT HAVE DINNER? YES. THAT'S THE FIRST BLOW OUT. I CAN'T ARGUE WITH YOUR HAPPENINGS.

I WAS NOT THERE. GREAT. CRABCAKES. YOU GUYS WERE FIGHTING WITH SEAN EARL AT THE COUNTY AND MIKE IS GOING OFF THAT HE DIDN'T HAVE DINNER WITH US.

WAS IT MEGAN'S ASPARAGUS? WAS IT NOT COOKED? RIGHT.

THAT GETS YOU TO TELL AMBER'S THAT WE DIDN'T HAVE DINNER.

DO I HAVE LEPROSY OR SOMETHING? I DON'T EVEN UNDERSTAND. WE COULD HAVE POSTED ON SOCIAL MEDIA. I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS A SECRET. MIKE, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? LET'S COME BACK TO THIS. YEAH. IS THIS MAKING YOU UNCOMFORTABLE, GUYS? MAN, THIS IS WHY I HATE MEDFORD. YOU'RE ALL FULL OF SHIT.

IT'S ALL A BUNCH OF CRAP. LET'S TRY COMING BACK TO THE REPORT FOR A SECOND.

DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF THAT REPORT THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE? YOU GUYS CAN DIG INTO THAT ALL THE TIME.

I TOLD YOU, TARA SAYS I GOT TO HAVE $750 FOR ASKING ABOUT INFORMATION ABOUT MYSELF.

THAT WAS MY OTHER QUESTION WAS THAT, I MEAN, I WOULD I THINK THE RECORD SHOULD REFLECT, TARA, YOU'VE ONLY BEEN EMPLOYED FOR THE TOWNSHIP FOR TWO YEARS NOW, SO I THINK IT WAS PROBABLY A DIFFERENT CLERK. BRIAN, IF THIS WAS 16, NO WAY, MAN, ARE YOU ARE YOU ARE YOU SAYING THE LAST TWO YEARS YOU APPLIED FOR A VARIANCE? YEAH. NO, NO NOT VARIANCE. OPRAH, OPRAH REQUEST REQUESTS.

THERE WAS A LARGE REQUEST THAT WAS THAT WAS SUBMITTED A LARGE ONE.

SO THE TOWNSHIP IS CAN ASSESS A FEE FOR AN OPA REQUEST, DEPENDING ON IF I THINK YOU'RE GETTING INTO LIKE A REALLY WEIRD AREA.

OKAY. AND I, IT DIDN'T EVEN MATTER, GUYS. IT'S JUST A POINT.

AND HONESTLY, I DIDN'T THINK IT WAS YOU. I THOUGHT IT WAS DAN, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU SUPPORT THIS KIND OF STUFF. I MEAN, I DON'T REALLY I'M TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. I WOULD HAVE TO RESEARCH IT.

SO BACK TO VOORHEES. WHAT DO WE WANT? WE WANT SOME PEACE.

WE WANT TO UNDERSTAND WHY DID DO YOU WANT TO UNDERSTAND THE PAST? YES. THAT'S ONE. YES. WHERE DOES IT STAND FOR THE FUTURE? WELL, RIGHT NOW WE HAVE A REPORT THAT SAYS. LOOK, MAN, YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ANY KIND OF TRUCKS.

LET ME ASK THE COUNCIL REALLY QUICK. IF YOU PARK THREE TRUCKS IN A FIELD, IS THAT CONSIDERED LIKE A COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL ENTERPRISE? I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW THE LAND IS ZONED, BUT I DON'T KNOW ENOUGH.

DO YOU GUYS WANT TO COME TO THE FARM AND SEE IT RIGHT NOW? AS LONG AS YOU KEEP THOSE CATS AWAY FROM ME. LISTEN, THAT'S THE OTHER THING THAT PISSES ME OFF. NO MONEY FOR CATS.

$500,000. WHO GOT ALL THAT MONEY, MAN? TIME TO APPLY.

ALL RIGHT, LOOK, I WANT YOU GUYS TO LOOK INTO WHAT HAPPENED TO US IN 2007.

YEAH, AND I WOULDN'T EVEN BE HERE IF YOU GUYS AREN'T SAYING.

YO, THE PLANNER IS THE BEST PLANNER EVER. I THINK WE'VE SAID THEY DID A GREAT JOB FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WE WERE REALLY CLEAR THAT THEY DID DO A GREAT JOB BRINGING SOME HISTORY IN ALLOWING BRICK SIDING.

THOSE ARE THINGS THAT IT'S FUNNY BECAUSE I HAVE A FARM NEXT DOOR TO WHERE YOU GUYS ARE BUILDING, AND THEY KNOW IT'S NOT THAT. YOUR PLANNER SLAMMED US.

DOES NOT EVERYBODY UNDERSTAND WHAT'S GOING ON HERE? SO LET'S PAUSE BECAUSE WE ARE SO OVER ON TIME, WHICH THEY'RE LETTING YOU, WHICH I LOVE.

BUT BRANDON HAS SAID HE'LL LOOK INTO IT. CHIEF HAS SAID HE'LL LOOK INTO IT.

WE'VE SAID WE'LL LOOK INTO IT. THIS IS ALL NEW TO ME.

I WASN'T HERE IN 2016. I WAS DEALING WITH BABIES.

BUT LET US LOOK. GIVE US 30 DAYS BECAUSE I GOT TO TELL YOU, I'M A LITTLE SWAMPED WITH FAMILY CRAP RIGHT NOW.

GIVE US 30 DAYS BECAUSE WE HAVE ALL THE TIME, RIGHT? THIS IS GOING TO BE RIGHT UP TO THE NEXT ELECTIONS.

AND IT DEPENDS ON WHAT HAPPENS THEN. LET'S DO 30 DAYS TO GIVE YOU SOME TYPE OF WHAT WE'RE EVEN IF IT'S JUST A SUMMARY OF WHAT WE'RE LOOKING INTO, NOT THAT WE'RE GOING TO HAVE ANSWERS THAT FAST. THAT'S A LOT OF CRAP TO GO DIGGING THROUGH. AND I BET YOU SOME OF IT'S IN BOXES.

YEAH. GUYS, PLEASE GO THROUGH ALL THE RECORDS.

YOU'LL SEE THERE'S A LOT OF CORRESPONDENCE AND THE FACT THAT ANYBODY WANTS TO STICK UP FOR BETH PORTER HERE, NO ONE'S DOING THAT. WHO'S DOING THAT? WHO'S DOING THAT? WE'RE JUST TRYING TO ASK YOU WHAT. WELL, ISN'T ISN'T SHE THE SOLDIER THAT PUT ALL THIS TOGETHER? NONE OF US WERE HERE, BRIAN. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

LET'S PAUSE, UNPACK SOMETHING THAT WE WEREN'T EVEN A PART OF.

LET'S PAUSE. LET'S GIVE US 30 DAYS. WE WILL GET BACK TO YOU WITH AN ANSWER.

WE COULD DO IT PUBLICLY IF THAT WOULD MAKE YOU HAPPY, OR WE CAN SEND IT TO YOU IN AN EMAIL.

DOES ANYBODY EVEN UNDERSTAND? ON COUNCIL LIKE WHY I'M HERE, THOUGH.

BECAUSE YOU GUYS IN 2017, YOU FEEL YOU GOT SCREWED OVER AND YOUR MOM GOT HURT.

YEAH. I MEAN, THAT'S PRETTY THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE.

I MEAN, THAT'S CLOSER THAN I'VE EVER HEARD FROM ANY COUNCIL MEMBERS. BUT I GOTTA TELL YOU, THERE'S A LOT MORE. IT'S STILL GOING ON. OKAY.

CURRENTLY CURRENTLY CURRENTLY YOUR PLANNER. WHERE'S JASON?

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NOBODY CARES. BUT I'M NOT HERE SPEAKING UP FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.

I GOTTA SAY, OUR PROBLEMS, IT TURNS OUT, ARE EVERYBODY'S PROBLEMS IN THIS COMMUNITY.

SAME PEOPLE INVOLVED WITH THE SAME CRAP. AND I WOULD JUST LIKE SOME ANSWERS.

I DON'T REALLY CARE. I'M WINDING DOWN IN MY CAREER WITH CORNERSTONE TREE SERVICE.

I CAN'T WAIT TO GET OUT OF IT. SO IT'S NOT ABOUT TRUCKS AT A FARM OR MONEY.

IT'S ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. FAIR ENOUGH TO A COMMUNITY THAT I LOVE.

HOW DOES THIS KEEP GOING ON? THAT'S ALL. CHRIS KNOLL.

YOU WERE AT THE FARM. DO YOU KNOW WHY? SCOTT.

OKAY, DUDE, I GOT THREE HOURS HERE. BACK AND FORTH, I JUST YEAH, WE WE'VE WE'VE GONE, WE'VE GONE FAR OVER.

GIVE ME THE 30 DAYS BECAUSE I'M TELLING YOU, I'M NOT GOING TO LOOK AT ANYTHING THIS WEEK BECAUSE MY MOM IS IN THE HOSPITAL.

SO SORRY TO HEAR THAT. ALL RIGHT. I'M HERE. MY MOM'S GOT A CRIMINAL RECORD.

THERE YOU GO. BECAUSE THESE FUCKS THEY DO GIVE US.

WHO CARES? I CARE. THESE GUYS SAID THEY'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO IT.

LET'S START WITH THAT. GIVE US 30 DAYS TO DO A LITTLE RESEARCH.

AND IF I DON'T DO IT, YOU CAN ROAST MY REAR END IN FRONT OF.

I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM. IT'S NOT THAT, MAN. YOU GUYS, IT KEEPS JUST KEEPS GOING ON.

NEW PEOPLE COME IN AND WE HATE YOU BECAUSE YOU'RE YOU'RE ACTUALLY COVERING UP ME YET PEOPLE.

IT'S NEVER ENDING. IT JUST IS. MAN, I SIT UP HERE AND I CAN'T EVEN.

THE APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD. YOU YOU YOU ASKED THE CHIEF TO REMOVE MY BROTHER IN JANUARY.

I CAME UP HERE. I ASKED, I SAID, ARE YOU DOING APPOINTMENTS TO THE PLANNING BOARD TONIGHT? YOU SAID NO, I LEFT. DAVE SITS HERE AND THE NEXT THING YOU KNOW, YOU SAY DONNA SIMMONS, CHUCK WATSON, JACK, DO YOU KNOW WHO JACK IS? YOU APPOINTED HIM.

YES, I KNOW, HAVE YOU WATCHED HIS VIDEOS SITTING HERE TALKING ABOUT THE STRICTEST ZONING LAWS AGAINST FARMS, WHAT HE SAID ABOUT OUR FAMILY. THESE GUYS ARE ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF MEDFORD, AND THEY'RE GOING TO OVERSEE ALL THIS DEVELOPMENT GOING IN MY FRONT YARD.

BRIAN, TAKE THE APPLICATION. I DIDN'T SHOW UP, MAN.

SERIOUSLY. I WOULD NEVER SHOW UP. IT DOESN'T EVEN MATTER.

I'M NOT PART OF THIS GOVERNMENT. THE REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE YOU GUYS ARE NUTS, RIGHT? BUT THERE'S A BUNCH OF OTHER PEOPLE THAT I DO WANT TO HEAR FROM.

I'M PROMISING YOU 30 DAYS. I SAW THEIR HANDS, AND MAYBE NOBODY.

BUT LET'S DO IT. GIVE ME THE 30 DAYS. 500 C 500.

WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT HAPPENED. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW ABOUT 500 C? WHAT HAPPENED IN LATE 2016 TO GO INTO 2017? I'VE GOT YOU.

I WANT AN APOLOGY FOR MY MOTHER. AND I WANT SOME CAKE ON TOP OF THAT.

ALL RIGHT. CAKE AND FLOWERS. CAKE AND FLOWERS.

YOU GUYS ARE DRIVING ME NUTS, SO YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

AND I HOPE WE STILL UNDERSTAND. THIS ISN'T ABOUT MONEY.

IT'S NOT EVEN ABOUT MY EGO. I GOT TO LIVE HERE.

IT'S MY MOM WHO'S SICK. IT'S YOUR MOM. I GET IT.

THANK YOU. 30 DAYS. THANK YOU. I WAS NOT A MEMBER OF THE.

THAT WAS. I JUST LOOKED IT UP. I WASN'T A MEMBER OF THE ZONING BOARD IN 2016.

APPLAUSE FOR THAT MARATHON. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. BRIAN. DRUGS IN CAR.

I DO WANT TO ADDRESS THIS. THANKS FOR BRINGING IT UP. OKAY, SO MY WIFE SAID THAT NOT ME.

BUT MY WIFE SAID THAT MY WIFE GREW UP IN A COMMUNIST COUNTRY WHERE THE THINGS THEY DO TO POLITICIANS ARE BEYOND REPREHENSIBLE.

IT HAD NOTHING TO DO PERSONALLY WITH MR. UMBA.

IT HAD TO DO WITH THE CHALLENGES OF BEING PART OF AN ELECTION.

AND I APOLOGIZE THAT MY WIFE MAY HAVE SAID SOMETHING THAT MADE TO TO MANY AMERICANS ABOUT YOUR CAR.

YOUR CAR? WHAT'S THAT YOU SAY IN RUSSIA THAT HAPPENS? THINK OF IT AS A METAPHOR, BRIAN. I THINK I GOT PISSED OFF AT OMAR AND START REALLY POPPING OFF ON SOCIAL MEDIA.

AND NOW I GOT A NEW BEAST. BUT ELMO, IF YOU GOT DRUGS.

216 CHURCH ROAD. I'M GOING TO CALL ANYBODY. BRIAN.

PERFECT, PERFECT. WHO ELSE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? THANK YOU. BRIAN. I WILL STATE FOR THE RECORD, I'VE NEVER DONE DRUGS IN MY ENTIRE LIFE. YEAH, YEAH, PROBABLY THE MOST BOY SCOUT PERSON.

BUT AGAIN, AND I'M SORRY, BRIAN, BUT JUST ALLOW ME TO CLARIFY.

SOMEBODY MADE HIM CRY. SOMEBODY MADE HIM CRY LAST TIME.

NOW HE'S LAUGHING. BRIAN. YEAH. YEAH. BRIAN. I'M SUPPORTING YOU AND TRYING TO HELP YOU OUT.

AND YOU GUYS ARE TELLING ME I'M GOING TO PUT DRUGS IN YOUR CAR TO GET YOU OFF THE SEAT.

YOU'RE NOT. YOU'RE YOU'RE JUST KIND OF THROWING THIS OUT THE WINDOW. I'M NOT THROWING IT OUT THE WINDOW. NEXT THING YOU KNOW, I'M ON SOCIAL MEDIA ROASTING NUMBER BECAUSE YOUR

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IF SOMEBODY CALLED THE CHIEF AND SAID THERE'S DRUGS IN THE MAYOR'S CAR, THERE'S ZERO CHANCE OF HIM TOSSING IT.

COME ON, MAN. I'M SORRY. SAY IT AGAIN. I WOULD HAVE TO DISAGREE WITH THAT.

I THINK IF IF SOMEBODY CALLED THE MAYOR OF MEDFORD, I COULD CALL THE CHIEF AND SAY, HEY, MAN, GO TOSS THE MAYOR'S CAR. YOU GUYS ARE. YES, BECAUSE OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT HASN'T HAD OUR ATTORNEY GOT PULLED OVER IN THE PARKING LOT AT THE LAST MEETING, AND I WILL NOT. NO OFFENSE. I KNOW I GOTTA STOP FOR A SECOND TIME.

I CANNOT LET YOU DISPARAGE THE POLICE DEPARTMENT BECAUSE THEY 100%.

WHEN DID I DISPARAGE THE POLICE? JUST NOW, SAYING THAT THEY WOULDN'T DO ANYTHING BECAUSE IT WAS A MAYOR'S CAR.

I'M NOT TRYING TO GET IN A PISSING MATCH, BUT THAT IS.

HOW MUCH DO YOU MAKE IN A YEAR HERE? YEAH, MAN, A LOT OF PEOPLE REACHED OUT ABOUT YOU, MAN.

YEAH. LET'S GO. BRIAN. YOU CAN'T. WHO WANTS SOME MORE OF THIS? THIS IS HOW IT GOES, GUYS. WE JUST KEEP FIGHTING, FIGHTING, FIGHTING UNDER DECORUM RULES.

I WOULD ASK THAT THE POLICE CHIEF REMOVE MR. CARNES FROM THE MEETING UNTIL HE CALMS DOWN.

YOU CAN KEEP HIM IN THE LOBBY. CHIEF, PLEASE.

WE'RE HERE TO HELP YOU. AND YOU'RE TELLING ME HE'S PUTTING DRUGS IN YOUR CAR AND YOU'RE HERE TO HELP ME? YOU HAVE TO CALM DOWN, BRIAN. IT'S A METAPHOR.

IF YOU'VE EVER SPOKEN TO SOMEONE THAT WASN'T BORN IN THIS COUNTRY, THAT LIVED THROUGH THE FALL OF COMMUNISM, THEY'VE EXPERIENCED THE THINGS THAT WE HAVEN'T EXPERIENCED. THOSE THINGS HAPPEN IN OTHER COUNTRIES WHERE SHE'S FROM.

IT'S IT'S A LANGUAGE BARRIER THAT YOU'RE NOT UNDERSTANDING IT.

IT'S I'M I'M BEEN MARRIED TO HER FOR 20 YEARS.

WELL, SHE'S NOT HERE. YEAH. WHAT A JOKE. WE WERE TRYING TO HELP YOU.

WE REALLY ARE. YOU GUYS HAVE FUCKED ME SO BAD.

YOU HAVE NO IDEA. WE HAVE. YES. YOU'RE ASKING.

YOU TELL. YOU THINK I'M DISRESPECTING THE MEDFORD POLICE? THAT'S THE ONLY DEPARTMENT THAT EVER PROTECTED US.

MR. CARNES. MR. CARNES, YOU HAVE TO CALM DOWN.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. OKAY. THANK YOU. THAT'S WHAT I'M STANDING UP FOR.

THE STATEMENT THAT WAS MADE INCORRECTLY. SO. I GREATLY APPRECIATE THE PASSION FOR MR. CARNES. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? ARE YOU SURE? OKAY. JACKIE FOUST, FOUR PILTON DRIVE.

I'M SO SORRY. JACKIE FOUST. FOUR PILTON DRIVE, MEDFORD, I WORK AT THE ELECTION.

I'M A POLL WORKER AND I USUALLY WORK AT FELLOWSHIP ALLIANCE CHAPEL.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA WHAT WE'RE DOING ABOUT AN ELECTION POLL LOCATION FOR OUR CLERK? BUT I THINK YOU'RE PROBABLY GOING IN THE OLD BUILDING.

RIGHT? I CAN SPEAK TO THAT. THERE IS TALK OF MOVING BACK INTO THE ATRIUM.

NOT HERE. I'LL REPEAT WHAT SHE SAYS WHEN SHE'S DONE SPEAKING.

THANK YOU. THERE IS TALK OF MOVING BACK INTO THE ATRIUM BUILDING FROM THE BUILDING AT FELLOWSHIP.

I'M WORKING WITH THE COUNTY ELECTIONS AND PEOPLE AT FELLOWSHIP, AND WE'RE TRYING TO FIGURE OUT IF THAT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN OR NOT.

OKAY. SO JUST TO CLARIFY, THE CLERK HAD MEANT, EXCUSE ME AND MENTIONED THAT DUE TO THE FIRE, THEY'RE GOING TO MOVE BACK TO THE ATRIUM, BUT SHE'S WORKING WITH THE COUNTY BOARD OF ELECTIONS TO CLARIFY THAT MATTER NOW.

AND THEY WILL PUT THE MACHINES IN THE ROOM AND NOT IN THE STORAGE ROOM.

WE HOPE, BECAUSE I CAN'T MOVE THEM AT 5:00 IN THE MORNING BY MYSELF NEXT TIME.

YEAH, IT WAS CORRECTED THE LAST TIME AND WE'LL HAVE TO SEE HOW THIS WORKS IN THE NEW AREA.

IT'S NOT 100% DECIDED YET. YEAH, APPARENTLY IT WAS BECAUSE MONDAY NIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION, THERE WERE CHILDREN IN THAT ROOM AND THEY COULDN'T PUT THE MACHINES IN THE ROOM.

SO THEY HAVE PLANS FOR THEIR KIDS PROGRAM. THAT WAS THE LAST TIME THIS WAS CORRECTED LAST THIS LAST ELECTION.

THAT WAS CORRECTED. WELL, WE MOVED BACK TO THE NEW BUILDING, BUT WE'RE GOING BACK TO THE OLD ONE.

AND THAT'S WHERE THE CHILDREN HAVE A MONDAY NIGHT THING GOING.

IT'S IN THE WORKS. THEY STILL HAVE PROGRAMS. WE'RE TRYING TO GET IT WORKED OUT.

THANK YOU. SO FOR ANYONE WHO COULD NOT HEAR HER, SHE SAID IT'S IN THE WORKS AND THEY'RE STILL TRYING TO WORK IT OUT.

OKAY. WOULD SOMEONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? MISS HOLLOWAY.

MARY ANN. MARY ANN HOLLOWAY. CAN PEOPLE HEAR? THANK YOU. I'M GOING TO GO OVER A COUPLE OF THINGS, AND I HOPE YOU GIVE ME GRACE ON TIME LIKE YOU DID WITH BRIAN.

SO ABOUT HALF THE GRACE. THAT WAS A LOT OF GRACE.

THAT WAS A LOT OF GRACE. YES. RIGHT. AND IT WAS DESERVED.

BY THE WAY. SO I ATTENDED THE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING LAST WEEK.

AND TO SAY THAT I WAS DUMBFOUNDED AS AN UNDERSTATEMENT.

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EVIDENTLY, THE COUNCIL HAS BEEN HAVING SOME MEETINGS WITH THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, AND THEY DON'T FEEL LIKE THEY'RE BEING TOLD THE TRUTH. AND EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THE BOARD STATED THE SAME THING. THEY'RE NOT BEING TOLD THE TRUTH.

SO THERE WERE SOME THINGS THAT WERE STATED. AND THEN I'M GOING TO ADDRESS THE MEDIA.

THERE'S BEEN A HABIT OF THIS BOARD THAT WHENEVER I BRING SOMETHING UP, ALL OF A SUDDEN THE BACKING GETS CHANGED OR CORRECTED OR SOMETHING GETS FINESSED. SO WHATEVER I SAY GETS A LITTLE BIT UNDONE.

SO I'M GOING TO MAKE THIS PERFECTLY CLEAR. I'VE ASKED TWICE AND I'VE ASKED COUNCIL.

I'VE ASKED THE SOLICITOR IS THE LITIGATION WITH MR. SAMOS, MEDFORD VILLAGE EAST OVER TWICE IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS CONCLUDED.

IT'S ON RECORD. GO BACK. IT'S IN THE COUNCIL MINUTES.

YOU STATED THAT IT'S NOT. WELL, I CAN'T REMEMBER THE GENTLEMAN'S NAME.

THE SOLICITOR? TWICE. IT'S ON RECORD. IT'S IN THE MINUTES.

IF YOU WANT TO SEE THE MINUTES THAT ARE JUST POSTED, GO RIGHT AHEAD AND LOOK BECAUSE IT'S IN THE MINUTES.

WHICH WHICH WHICH WHICH 17125 SUPERIOR COURT ACTION.

17125. WHICH MINUTES? I'M SORRY, THE MINUTES I, I JUST WENT THROUGH THEM TODAY BECAUSE THEY ALL GOT POSTED AT ONCE.

SO I WENT THROUGH THEM TODAY AND IT WAS STATED THAT I DID ASK IT WAS STATED THAT IT WAS CONCLUDED.

I ASKED TWICE, NOT ONCE, TWICE. AND I'M NOT LOSING MY MIND.

ALL RIGHT. SO I GO TO THE THAT THE LITIGATION IS STILL ONGOING.

OH WELL YOU BETTER SOMEBODY COULD SOMEBODY PLEASE UPDATE YOUR SOLICITOR? BECAUSE HE LOOKED ME STRAIGHT IN THE EYE AND SAID IT WAS CONCLUDED.

LOOK IT UP NOW, I. WELL I GOT TO GO BACK AND TAKE A LOOK.

I DIDN'T WRITE DOWN THE EXACT DATE, BUT IT'S THERE.

WAS IT MR. VARGA, WAS IT MR. MCGUCKIN? WAS IT.

IT WASN'T. WHO WHO IS THE GENTLEMAN THAT FILLED IN FOR MR. MCGUCKIN THAT IS HERE EVERY WEEK? MR.. MR. VARGA, THAT'S WHO IT WAS.

NOT ONCE. TWICE. THIS WAS DURING THE JULY 7TH COUNCIL MEETING.

IS WHAT YOU'RE STATING? AND IT WAS ONE MEETING BEFORE THAT ALSO.

I ASKED TWICE, SO WHEN I GET TO THE THE THE BOARD OF EDUCATION MEETING, THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT A MEETING THAT THEY HAD WITH COUNCIL WHERE IT APPEARS THAT THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS GOING ON IN THE BACKGROUND FOR AN ADDITIONAL 535 TO 565 SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, POSSIBLY 4 TO 5 BEDROOMS ON MEDFORD VILLAGE EAST PROPERTY, IN ADDITION TO THE 1072 THAT'S GOING ON NOW, NOBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT. THE LITIGATION IS STILL OPEN.

HE HAS 532, FIVE, 34, 35, 39, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE 539 SEWER PERMITS.

I BELIEVE THAT MRS. FARGO IS OR MRS. HOLLOWAY IS REFERRING TO THE.

PAT VARGAS SAID HE WAS REFERRING TO THE MOTION THAT SAMUELS HAD AGAINST THE FOURTH ROUND HOUSING PLAN, AND THAT IS OVER. SO THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. YES.

HE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THE OTHER LITIGATION. THERE WAS MR. SAMOS WANTED TO BE INVOLVED IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

FOURTH ROUND. HE DID NOT GET TO BE INVOLVED BECAUSE OF THE FACT THAT WE HAD A VIABLE PLAN.

BUT HE STILL HE STILL HAS AN ACTIVE LITIGATION AGAINST THE TOWN ON THE SECOND ROUND.

AND HE HAS 539 ROUGHLY SEWER PERMITS, NOT WATER PERMITS, SEWER PERMITS FOR THAT DEVELOPMENT.

HE'S STILL SUING FOR THE FACTS. I MEAN, I DON'T THINK HE'S GOING TO THE FULL EXTENT OF WHAT HE ASKED FOR BACK THEN.

BUT IT IS STILL AN ACTIVE LITIGATION. SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS FROM THE SCHOOL BOARD THAT THEY'RE ANTICIPATING AN ADDITIONAL 535 TO 565, WHICH WOULD BRING THE TOTAL TO 16 TO 1700 HOMES THAT WOULD BE BUILT.

THEIR ESTIMATE, NOT MINE, IS IF THAT NUMBER IS TRUE.

THE TOWN COULD BE FACING A POSSIBLE $160 MILLION IN BONDING THAT WOULD BE NECESSARY TO ACCOMMODATE THE SCHOOL NEEDS, AND THAT DOES NOT INCLUDE THE INFRASTRUCTURE.

THE YEARLY COST. THE ADDITIONAL STAFF THERE, STARTING WITH $160 MILLION.

AND THIS IS COMING FROM A TOWN THAT SAID THEY COULDN'T AFFORD 1.3 MILLION TO EXTEND 60 DEED RESTRICTIONS SO FAR.

SINCE THAT STATEMENT THAT YOU CAN'T AFFORD 1.3, YOU HAVE PASSED A CLOSE TO A $5 MILLION BOND, A $3 MILLION BOND, 400 AND SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS FOR SIDEWALK STUDIES.

THERE HAS BEEN MORE MONEY COMING INTO THE TAXPAYERS POCKETS THAN I HAVE EVER SEEN.

IF THIS IS TRUE, AND THERE IS ONGOING LITIGATION AND THERE IS BEHIND THE SCENES NEGOTIATIONS,

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OKAY. SO LET'S YOU KNOW, I COULD TAKE UP AS MUCH TIME.

I COULD GO BACK AND FORTH ON THE LITIGATION AND HOW, YOU KNOW, MEDFORD VILLAGE EAST WAS SUING THE TOWN FOR $40 MILLION, AND IT COST THE TOWN $3 MILLION TO DEFEND IT.

I COULD GO INTO THE DOCUMENTATION ON WHAT HAPPENED WITH THAT CASE.

I COULD GO ON WITH WHY WASN'T THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING CITED ON MR. SAMUELS'S PROPERTY? I CAN GO ON TO MR. TIM PRIME'S RESPONSE ABOUT HOW THE PROPERTY WASN'T SUITABLE, HOW IT HAD ENVIRONMENTAL SITUATIONS, AND THE DOCUMENT THAT WAS FILED WITH THE COURT.

I CAN GO INTO THAT BECAUSE I READ IT. ALL RIGHT.

ENVIRONMENTAL. LET'S GO BACK TO THIS ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY ON THE THREE.

THE THREE SITES YOU'VE STATED ON SOCIAL MEDIA WAS THAT WAS DONE BY YOU OR I WAS REJECTED BY THE COURT SYSTEM.

THAT'S WHY WE HAVE TO. I'D HAVE TO SEE THAT IN WRITING BECAUSE FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THAT'S NOT TRUE.

SO UNLESS SOMEBODY PROVES THAT TO ME AND I CAN'T FIND THE DOCUMENT AND IT'S STATED, I DON'T BELIEVE IT UNLESS IT'S IN WRITING, IT DOESN'T EXIST. MR. NORMAN CAN PROBABLY ANSWER THAT QUESTION, TOO, BECAUSE HE WAS THE SOLICITOR AT THE TIME.

MAY I STATE THIS AGAIN? UNLESS I SEE IT IN WRITING, I'M NOT SURE.

IT DOESN'T EXIST UNLESS I SEE IT FROM THE STATE.

IT DOESN'T EXIST. THAT'S OKAY. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TRACK.

I DON'T WANT TO GET OFF TRACK. LET ME STAY. LET ME STAY ON TRACK.

SO WHEN THE SCHOOL BOARD STARTED TALKING ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, AND THEN IN COMES MY WAY THROUGH THIS COUNCIL, MY AYE IS A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.

IT IS NOT PUBLIC. THERE IS A LEGAL OBLIGATION FOR A DEVELOPER TO PROVIDE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

THERE IS NOWHERE THAT I COULD FIND IN THAT LITIGATION THAT ALLOWS A TOWN TO HAND MONEY TO A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION TO FULFILL A DEVELOPER'S RESPONSIBILITY TO PROVIDE RECREATIONAL ON THE PROPERTY AS PART OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING.

WHAT ARE YOU GUYS DOING? WHAT IS HAPPENING? $3.3 MILLION.

AND THEN I'M LISTENING IN THE BEGINNING. OH, WE CAN'T DO IT.

THERE'S NO THERE'S NO WAY TO GET THE TOWN TO GET THE SCHOOLS MONEY.

THERE'S NO I HAVE NEVER HEARD ANYTHING MORE RIDICULOUS IN MY LIFE.

IT'S RIDICULOUS FOR YOU TO BELIEVE THAT THE PEOPLE WOULD BELIEVE THAT STATEMENT IS RIDICULOUS, BECAUSE WHERE THERE'S A WILL, THERE'S A WAY, AND IT'S ALLOWED IN THE IN IN THE LAWS, YOU'RE ALLOWED TO DO THIS.

YOU'RE NOT FUNDING THE SCHOOLS. YOU'RE PUTTING IT ON THE BACK OF THE TAXPAYERS.

PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE MOVING. THIRD GENERATIONS ARE MOVING OUT OF HERE.

THEY'RE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT. BUT I ALSO WANTED TO GO THROUGH THE MAYA.

SO YOU'VE GOT WE START WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S NOT 3.3 MILLION.

I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT NUMBER CAME. WELL, THAT WAS IN I BELIEVE AND I BELIEVE THAT NUMBER WAS PART OF WHAT YOU MIGHT HAVE PUT IN THE SUBSTACK, BUT IT WAS 1.7 PLUS FIVE, 25 PLUS SOME OTHER NUMBERS, $3 MILLION, $1 MILLION FOR EACH OF THE THREE DEVELOPMENT SITES GOING TO THE TOWNSHIP.

THAT'S A PAYMENT TO THE TOWN, $3 MILLION, ONE AS A TOTAL ONE BUCKET.

NY AYE IS 1.7 AND 525 WITH 5000 AS A AS A SCHOLARSHIP FOR FOR PEOPLE. RIGHT. TO FULFILL. SO $50,000 IS WHAT YOU'RE ALLOWING THEM TO FULFILL THE RECREATIONAL.

WHEN I SAT HERE AND MR. TAYLOR SAID, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO PUT IN A 14 BY 18 GAZEBO SO THE KIDS COULD HAVE BIRTHDAY PARTIES.

AND MY STATEMENT TO ALL OF YOU WAS, WE'RE GOING TO DO THAT WITH THE KIDS IN FEBRUARY.

REALLY, THAT'S WHAT THE RECREATION IS GOING TO BE.

AND EVERYBODY WITH A BLANK STARE. RIGHT? THE ISSUE WHY YOU CAN'T PUT MORE RECREATION ON THERE IS THAT THE TOWN'S PLAN COULD BE VIEWED AS NOT SUSTAINING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEED. THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

I DIDN'T INTERRUPT, MISS HOLLOWAY, SO I DON'T REALLY UNDERSTAND WHY SHE INTERRUPTS ME. BUT IN THE END, IF YOU WERE TO SAY, I WANT TO PUT FIVE ACRES OF RECREATION ON ON RICK'S AUTO BODY, AND THEN THAT STOPS THE DEVELOPER AND THAT'S PUT INTO THE PLAN, AND THAT STOPS THE DEVELOPER FROM PUTTING IN THE PERCENTAGES THAT THE STATE REQUIRES, WHICH IS 8020, TO FULFILL THE NEED OF THAT SPECIFIC LOCATION.

THEN YOUR ITEM MAKES YOUR PLAN OUT OF COMPLIANCE BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT MEETING THE NEED THAT WAS PROVIDED AS PART OF THE PROSPECTIVE AND PRESENT NEED.

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SO THAT'S WHY THE PAYMENT CAME IN. I BELIEVE IT WHEN I TOOK MONDAY WHEN WE FOUND OUT ABOUT IT IT WAS OFFERED.

AND WE DON'T HAVE A RECREATION DEPARTMENT AND THAT FACILITATES RECREATION IN THE TOWN BECAUSE THAT WAS DISBANDED MORE THAN A DECADE AGO DUE TO THE REFERENDUM.

SO THAT'S WHERE THE MONEY CAME IN AT TO SUPPORT THE RECREATIONAL FACILITIES THAT THESE YOUTH ORGANIZATIONS ARE GOING ON. AND THEN, AND THEN AND THEN WE LOOKED AT RIGHT IN THE REDEVELOPMENT, 500 SOMETHING OUT OF IT FOR THE NONPROFITS, BECAUSE CERTAIN KIDS DON'T PARTICIPATE IN EM, WHICH THEY MIGHT NOT BE ATHLETIC TO, TO WANT TO DO THAT, BUT THEY MIGHT GO TO CEDAR RUN AND, AND THEY TAKE CARE OF REHABILITATING THE ARTS THERE.

THEY MIGHT WORK DOWNTOWN AND BE ART STUDENTS.

SO I BELIEVE COUNCILMAN COX AND THE DEPUTY MAYOR, YOU CAME UP WITH A PLAN FOR CERTAIN ORGANIZATIONS.

I RECOMMEND IT TO YOU, MAKE IT A GRANT PROGRAM FOR ALL ORGANIZATIONS TO APPLY TO, SO THAT THEY HAVE THE ABILITY ABILITY TO GO IN AND SAY, ALL RIGHT, LET'S, YOU KNOW, LET'S PUT IN BECAUSE IF YOU GIVE, I'LL USE MEDFORD CELEBRATES FOR.

FOR EXAMPLE, IF YOU GIVE $100,000 TO MEDFORD CELEBRATES, THEY'RE GOING TO SAY, WELL, I DON'T NEED TO, TO DO DONATIONS FOR THREE YEARS FOR THE FIREWORKS.

SO THEN WHAT DO YOU DO FOUR YEARS FROM NOW WHEN YOU GO TO THE SHOP AND SAY, HEY, I NEED THAT DONATION BACK FROM YOU? WELL, I ALREADY REASSIGNED IT TO A DIFFERENT ORGANIZATION. SO THE, THE CONCEPT THAT CAME UP BETWEEN THE DEPUTY MAYOR AND THE COUNCILWOMAN WAS PULL THAT AWAY BECAUSE NOT ALL RECREATION ACTIVITIES ARE BEING HANDLED BY MOI.

THERE'S OTHER RECREATION THAT'S BEING HANDLED BY NONPROFITS.

YMCA IS ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT THEY MIGHT POTENTIALLY BE ABLE TO PUT IN TO, TO RUN A SPECIFIC PROGRAM FOR, AND THAT THEY CAN APPLY FOR THIS GRANT. MAY I GET BACK ON TRACK? BUT THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS STILL CALL FOR THE RECREATION FACILITIES. THEY STILL CALL FOR THEM. YES.

AND THAT'S WHY THE 14 BY 18, THE 14 BY 18 GAZEBO.

SO THE KIDS COULD HAVE A BIRTHDAY PARTY IN FEBRUARY AND A PLAYGROUND AND THE LITTLE TOT LOT.

ALL RIGHT, LET ME GET BACK TO TO SOMETHING THAT'S NOT CORRECT.

I'VE STATED THIS A THOUSAND TIMES A THOUSAND.

YOUR PRESENT NEED IS 69 UNITS. YOUR TOTAL NEED IS.

IT'S BEEN MOVING ALL OVER THE PLACE. IT'S 133.

WHAT THE PROBLEM IS, IS NOT THAT THEY CAN'T PUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE IS THAT D.R.

HORTON IS GOING TO LOSE LAND FOR MARKET RATE DOESN'T HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE AFFORDABLE.

SO WHEN YOU START DEFENDING A DEVELOPER AND HURTING THE TOWN, THEN START.

IT WAS A PRESENT NEED. COULD I PLEASE FINISH THE PRESENT? COULD I PLEASE FINISH? YOU WANT TO DEBATE ME, MR. BRENDA? BRANDON, YOU WANT TO DEBATE ME? YOU DON'T WANT TO LISTEN.

YOU WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU PROVE ME WRONG.

YOU. YOUR INFORMATION THAT YOU PUT OUT TO THE PUBLIC IS WRONG.

THIS IS WRONG. SO THE FACTUAL INFORMATION THAT I HAD TO HAND TO YOU FROM THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT WHEN YOU SAID THAT THE 69 UNITS WERE THIRD ROUND, AND I HAD TO BRING IN A MEDIATION AGREEMENT TO SHOW YOU IT WAS FOURTH, THAT WAS INCORRECT.

WAS IT INCORRECT? YOUR WAS THE NUMBERS A PRESENT NEED AND PROSPECTIVE NEED IS WRONG.

I HEY, I'VE ALREADY RUN THIS BY MULTIPLE TOWNSHIPS.

I'M NOT WRONG. SO IF AND YOU KNOW WHAT I THINK EVERYBODY ON THIS COUNCIL KNOWS WHAT I'M WRONG.

I SAY I'M WRONG AND THEN I APOLOGIZE. SO THE TOTAL AMOUNT IS 133 TIMES FOUR.

IS THAT A 1072. IS IT 1072? YOU'RE COMBINING THIRD ROUND AND NOT LETTING IT STAND ON ITS OWN.

YOU'RE COMBINING IT WITH FOURTH ROUND TO INCREASE THE NUMBERS.

AND THAT DOESN'T BENEFIT A DEVELOPER. WHO'S THAT BENEFIT.

DOES THAT BENEFIT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? THE THIRD ROUND YIELD WENT LOWER THAN WHAT THE PLAN CALLED FOR.

THAT MADE THE THIRD ROUND SLIGHT OF FLYING W AN UNREALISTIC SITE FOR THE DEVELOPER COULD THEN THE TOWNSHIP COULD THEN HAVE LOST THAT SITE, AND THEN. THAT WOULD MEAN THAT WE WOULD HAVE TO FIND ANOTHER AREA TO MAKE THAT WORK.

WHEN YOUR PLAN DOESN'T SUCCEED, THAT'S WHEN THE STATE STEPS IN AND YOU HAVE A BUILDER'S REMEDY SUIT.

I'M GOING TO SAY IT AGAIN. THE FLYING W CAN HANDLE 90 UNITS.

THAT'S NOT WHAT. SO I DON'T WANT TO GET INTO THE BACK AND FORTH BECAUSE WHAT THE ACTUAL INFORMATION IS, IS THAT IT MAY NOT BE THE YIELD THAT THE DEVELOPER WANTS TO GET IN ORDER TO BUILD IT.

IF YOU HAVE A 100% AFFORDABLE DEVELOPER THAT WANTS TO THEN NEGOTIATE WITH THAT LANDOWNER, AND THAT LANDOWNER WOULD LIKE TO THEN GO AND GIVE THEM AN AGREEMENT, THEN, OKAY, MAYBE THAT HAPPENS. WE ARE NOT PARTY TO THE DEVELOPER AND THE LANDOWNERS NEGOTIATION.

WE'RE NOT. SO LET'S GET ON. WHO OWNS FLYING? W HAS THE RIGHT TO GO TO D.R.

HORTON TO GO TO PULTE HOMES TO GO TO MICHAELS GROUP, WHICH IS DOING MY 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT IN SOUTH HAMPTON.

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CORRECT. WELL, THAT'S INTERESTING BECAUSE THERE'S NO LAW IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY THAT REQUIRED MEFFERD TO NAME A DEVELOPER, AND THERE WAS NO DATE. I WENT THROUGH A JUDGE.

70. 70 TO WAIT. I'VE READ EVERY DOCUMENT AND I SAT IN SOME OF THE STUFF.

MARIAN HOLLOWAY, SIR, I WANT YOU TO REPEAT WHAT YOU JUST SAID, AND THEN WE'RE GOING TO.

MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT MR. PRIME PUT THAT IN PRIOR TO DECEMBER, BECAUSE I SENT IT TO YOU, MIKE, PRIOR TO THE DECEMBER VOTE THAT WAS INSERTED BY MR. PRIME. THAT WASN'T INSERTED BY A JUDGE. WE DIDN'T FILE THE REPORT.

WE DIDN'T FILE OUR PLAN UNTIL JANUARY END OF THIS.

WE VOTED ON IT AT THE END OF DECEMBER. IT WAS FILED IN JANUARY OF 2026 THAT WAS INSERTED BY MISTER PRIME.

THE VOTE THAT FAILED. YOU'RE REFERRING TO THE VOTE EVENTUALLY PASSED.

THE VOTE FAILED THE FIRST TIME. THEN IT PASSED.

THEN IT WAS FILED WITH THE COURT, AND MISTER PRIME HAD INSERTED THOSE WORDS.

AND YOU AND I EVEN HAD DISCUSSIONS ABOUT IT BECAUSE THERE WAS TIME TO AMEND IT.

AND THAT DIDN'T HAPPEN. IT WASN'T A JUDGE. AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT BECAUSE IT WASN'T A JUDGE.

THE JUDGE MIGHT HAVE UPHELD IT BECAUSE THERE WAS AN INTERVENOR.

AND THEN LEGAL ACTION FROM, I DON'T KNOW, LEGAL, BUT THEN FAIR SHARE JUMPED IN.

WHAT METHOD HAS DONE DIDN'T HAVE TO BE DONE. AND IT STILL DOESN'T.

AND I'M SITTING HERE LISTENING TO ALL OF THIS, AND YOU COULD DISAGREE ALL YOU WANT BECAUSE WE'RE ON THE OPPOSITE ENDS OF THIS.

BUT I DON'T HAVE THIS WRONG, ESPECIALLY WITH THE UNITS.

WHEN I FIRST CAME HERE, NAIVELY, IT WAS 2024.

AND IN 2024 IS WHEN I FOUND THE DISCREPANCIES WITH THE AMOUNT OF INVENTORY THAT WAS TAKEN AND THE NUMBER OF UNITS YOU ACTUALLY HAD.

AND WITHOUT ME, YOU WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE KNOWN.

AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ADDED WHAT WAS CORRECT, BUT THEN YOU TOOK OUT A SECTION AND ACTUALLY RAISED THE UNITS BY FIVE.

SO THE NUMBERS WERE MANIPULATED AND WE ALL ADMITTED IT.

SO NOW I'M STANDING HERE SAYING, WE'VE GOT MIA IN HERE.

THAT SHOULDN'T BE. WE'VE GOT A PRIVATE ENTITY FULFILLING A, A, A REQUIREMENT OF THE LAW, WHERE IT SHOULD BE, WHERE THE KIDS CAN PLAY, RIGHT, $50,000 AND YOU'RE GIVING THEM MILLIONS, MILLIONS.

AND WHERE IS THE MONEY FOR THE SCHOOLS? ARE YOU GOING TO STAY HERE AND TELL ME THAT THERE'S NO MECHANISM, THAT ANYBODY CAN FIND A FUNDING SCHOOLS THROUGH THE DEVELOPER OR THROUGH FEES? BECAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE THAT'S TRUE, BECAUSE I'VE READ THE LAW, SO IT CAN BE DEBATED ALL YOU WANT.

YOU CAN TELL ME I'M WRONG, ALL I WANT, BUT ALL I HEAR FROM THIS COUNSEL FOR MR. UMBA FROM THE SOLICITORS IS HOW YOU CAN'T. I HAVEN'T EVER HEARD ONCE HOW YOU CAN AND YOU CAN.

AND I GO TO A SCHOOL BOARD AND FIND OUT. THEY FEEL THEY'VE BEEN LIED TO.

FIND OUT WE'RE GETTING AN ADDITIONAL 535. FIND OUT THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS IN A BACK ROOM.

DON'T WANT TO SAY BACK ROOM. THERE'S NEGOTIATIONS OUTSIDE OF THE THE PUBLIC'S EARS THAT WE'VE GOT $160 MILLION POSSIBLE BONDING PROBLEM LOOKING AT US. AND THAT DOESN'T INCLUDE OPERATIONS OR ANYTHING ELSE.

AND WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT THE RECREATIONAL COMPONENT THAT THE BUILDER HAS TO FULFILL.

AND YOU'RE FUNDING IT LIKE THIS THROUGH A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.

EXPLAIN THAT I WAS NOT PART OF THE NEGOTIATIONS FOR THE RECREATIONAL FEE, BUT I MEAN, I CAN LEAVE THAT UP TO. I'M GOING TO LEAVE YOU WITH THIS. ANYBODY ON COUNCIL, ON PLANNING ON ZONING THAT IS PART OF NY AYE SHOULD RECUSE THEMSELVES NOW, NOT VOTE. AND THE VOTE THAT HAPPENED SHOULD BE UNDONE.

BECAUSE IF ANYBODY HERE IS INVOLVED WITH MIA AND YOU'RE GETTING THAT KIND OF MONEY, YOU SHOULD NOT BE VOTING ON THIS.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE PARTICIPATING IN IT. AND THERE SHOULD BE SOMETHING DONE THAT IS A SEVERE CONFLICT OF INTEREST.

WHAT VOTE? WELL, THERE THERE WAS A VOTE FOR THE RESOLUTION THAT INCLUDED THE MONEY FOR THE INCLUDED FOR THE MONEY FOR THE MYAMYA. I'M SORRY. NONE OF US ARE ON MYAA MIKE.

WERE YOU EVER, PAST OR PRESENT INVOLVED WITH THAT WAS THIS.

I WAS THE SOFTBALL COMMISSIONER. MY KIDS WERE ON MY AYE MY CHILDREN PLAYED SOFTBALL.

SO YOU WERE SO YOU WERE PART OF A COMMISSIONER FOR MY AYE.

YEAH. AND I COACH AS WELL. AND SO. AND YOU COACH.

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EXACTLY. EXACTLY. PAST MEMBERS. SO YOU'RE NOT PRESENT.

MY DAUGHTER PLAYS SOFTBALL. NO, NO. YOU GOT THE HEAD OF THE PLANNING BOARD THAT'S INVOLVED.

CHILDREN ARE PART OF THE ORGANIZATION. THAT DOES NOT COUNT.

I'M NOT TALKING CONTROLLING OFFICER OF THE ORGANIZATION.

YOU DON'T? SO ARE YOU SUGGESTING THAT NO MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL SHOULD VOLUNTEER FOR MIA? NOW YOU'RE TWISTING. NO, I'M ASKING YOU IF YOU ARE A COMMISSIONER.

OKAY. AND YOU'RE BENEFITING FROM THAT MONEY, AND YOUR PROGRAM IS GETTING THAT MONEY.

I'M NOT THE PRESIDENT. COMMISSIONER. WHEN DID YOU RESIGN? BEING A COMMISSIONER? TWO YEARS AGO. OKAY. AND TWO YEARS AGO.

WAS THERE ANY DONATIONS FROM THIS DEVELOPER TO MYA WHILE YOU WERE THERE AND THERE WERE DONATIONS FROM MY COMPANY TO MYA.

ALL RIGHT. SO. BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING. WE'VE GOT AN ACTIVE PERSON THAT'S GOING TO BE BRINGING IN AND MAKING A TON OF MONEY THAT'S IMPACTING EVERYTHING.

BUT MIKE, THAT'S RUNNING THROUGH YOU. I'M SAYING IT.

I'M SAYING IT OUT LOUD AND I'M GOING TO STOP TALKING.

YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF. FROM WHAT? FROM VOTING ON ANYTHING THAT HAS TO DO WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT.

I'LL TURN TO MY LEGAL COUNSEL FOR THAT ADVICE.

I AM YOU MIGHT PRESS THE BUTTON. I'M SORRY. IS IT WORKING? YES. OKAY. IT IS MY INTERPRETATION THAT HAVING CHILDREN INVOLVED IN THE YOUTH ORGANIZATION, NOT BEING ON THE BOARD OR COMMISSION. I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW IT'S ORGANIZED.

THAT IS NOT A CONFLICT. THE SMALL TOWN WOULD NEVER BE ABLE TO OPERATE IF THAT WAS A CONFLICT.

SO IT'S JUST MY OPINION THAT NOBODY HERE HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF COUNCIL VOLUNTEER TO COACH ONE OF THEIR CHILDREN ON A YOUTH ATHLETIC TEAM.

OKAY, SO THERE'S NO THERE'S NO MONETARY OR THERE'S NO GAIN TO YOU.

AND ACTUALLY, I'D SAY VOLUNTEERING AS A COACH, I WOULD ENCOURAGE ANYONE TO VOLUNTEER.

IT'S NOT, YOU KNOW, IT'S NOT ALL IT'S CRACKED UP. I STAND BY, I STAND BY WHAT I SAID, AND I APPRECIATE YOUR ADVICE, BUT I'LL TAKE ADVICE. I'M NOT IT'S NOT ADVICE.

IT'S NOT ADVICE. WELL, THEN WHAT WAS IT? COMMENTARY.

IF IF YOU WERE PART OF AN ORGANIZATION THAT RECEIVED ANY DONATIONS FROM A PERSON, FROM A CORPORATION THAT'S COMING INTO THIS TOWN AND RECEIVING MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN PROFITS, AND ALL OF THIS IS GOING ON, YOU SHOULD RECUSE YOURSELF.

NO MEMBER OF COUNCIL THAT HAD BEEN ON A BOARD OR HELPED A BOARD FROM A NONPROFIT THAT WOULD BE GETTING MONEY FROM THIS DONATION, THAT WE SHOULD ALL RECUSE OURSELVES. SO IF YOU'RE GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THAT MONEY, YOU SHOULD NOT.

THAT'S GOING TO BENEFIT FROM THAT. SO SO WE. SO IF IF I SERVE ON THE MAIN STREET MERCHANTS OR MEDFORD CELEBRATES CATS OR CATS, GOD FORBID I VOLUNTEER FOR BRIAN'S CAT ORGANIZATION, I PROBABLY SHOULD.

THEN THEN THOSE ORGANIZATIONS, BECAUSE THEY RECEIVED THE GRANT SHOULDN'T BE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE WHITEWASHING, YOU'RE WHITEWASHING WHAT'S BEING SAID.

MARION. I THINK MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. LET ME LET ME RAGGED HERE.

I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA LET ME PAUSE THE I'M NOT THE ONLY ONE THAT THINKS THIS WAY.

THAT'S FINE. SO I'M GOING TO STOP BECAUSE I WILL COME BACK WITH MORE FACTS.

BUT THIS IS NOT CORRECT. YOU GUYS ARE FIGHTING FOR MYAAA PRIVATE ORGANIZATION.

MARY ANN, WE THIS MYA WE WERE WE DID NOT GO TO THE DEVELOPER TO SEEK FUNDS FOR MYAMYA APPROACHED COUNCIL WITH THIS OFFER FOR FUNDS AT THAT TIME THE DEAR HORTON. I'M SORRY, I'M SORRY. I'M LIKE, WHY SHOULD WE FLY ACROSS THE WATER AND CAME TO THE COUNCIL WITH THE SUGGESTED FUNDS FOR DONATION. I GUESS THEY DID. SO IT WAS DEPUTY MAYOR MYSELF WHO SAID, WE APPRECIATE THAT.

HOWEVER, THERE ARE A NUMBER OF OTHER ORGANIZATIONS IN THE COMMUNITY. ALSO, HOW ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? HOW ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? HOW ABOUT IF THEY CAME TO YOU? WE DID SPEAK TO THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. WE IDENTIFIED A MEANS TO GET AND SECURE FUNDING FOR A BOND FOR THE SCHOOL SYSTEM.

HOWEVER, AS WAS MENTIONED, THE SITUATION THAT THAT MAY RESULT IN THE RESIDENTS AND THE POSSIBILITY OF DEFAULT WAS TOO GREAT OF A RISK TO VENTURE DOWN THAT PATH.

BUT THERE IS THERE WAS A METHOD. THERE WAS A PATH.

NOBODY ON THIS COUNCIL SAID THERE WAS NOT A PATH FORWARD.

THERE IS AN IDENTIFIED PATH. HOWEVER, THAT PATH WAS TOO RISKY FOR THE ENTIRE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE AND WAS TOO GREAT OF A RISK ON THE CURRENT TAXPAYERS.

IF THERE WAS INDEED A DEFAULT ON BEHALF OF THE BOND, I MEAN, YOU LOOK AT FLYING W IT'S A 100% SENIOR DEVELOPMENT OTHER THAN THE AFFORDABLE.

THAT'S WHY I MENTIONED AT THE BEGINNING OF THE MEETING, THERE IS A MORE OF A OF A LIKELIHOOD THAT A SENIOR WHO MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM THE STATE PROGRAMS THAT HAVE BEEN PUT IN PLACE OR BEING ABLE TO DEDUCT IT ON THEIR TAXES, THAT THEY WOULD SAY, YEAH, THIS PILOT WORKED FOR ME FOR A YEAR, BUT NOW I DON'T WANT THE PILOT ANYMORE AND THEY CAN VOLUNTARILY COME OFF OF IT.

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I'LL SPEAK FOR MYSELF. EVERYONE KNOWS THAT I WAS OPPOSED TO THE PILOTS BECAUSE HISTORICALLY THE PILOT FUNDS HAVE NOT GONE TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

SO FOR ME, THE ONLY WAY THAT WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE TO UTILIZE THE PILOT IS TO CHARGE THE FULL TAXATION AMOUNT, BUT DOING SO UNDER A PILOT. NOW, TYPICALLY A PILOT IS A MUCH LOWER COST THAN WHAT A HOMEOWNER MAY BE PAYING IN PROPERTY TAXES.

HOWEVER, FOR IT TO BE VIABLE FOR ME PERSONALLY WOULD BE TO CHARGE THE ENTIRE FULL RATE OF WHAT THE TAXATION WOULD BE.

AND THAT'S THE REASON WHY THE. AND I ALWAYS GET IT WRONG, THE THE BONDING THAT IS HAPPENING FOR THE IMPROVEMENTS.

KELSEY, CAN YOU HELP ME WITH THE ACTUAL WORDING? THAT'S WHY THAT'S BEING ASSESSED TO THE INDIVIDUAL PROPERTY OWNERS, BECAUSE THERE IS NO MECHANISM FOR THEM TO COME OUT.

IT'S A SPECIAL ASSESSMENT. SPECIAL ASSESSMENT BOND THAT IS TO THE INDIVIDUAL LOTS THAT WILL BE PART OF THE DEVELOPMENT.

AND THAT IS SOMETHING UNDER THE LAW THEY CANNOT COME OFF OF.

THEY WILL BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE $5 MILLION WATER TOWER, THE INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENTS THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE PLANNING AND ZONING BOARD, THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD AND THINGS LIKE THAT.

SO IT'S NOT THERE'S NO OPT OUT. THERE'S NOTHING THAT WOULD THEN GO TO THE TOWNSHIP AS A WHOLE.

IT'S JUST GOING TO THE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO STATE THIS AGAIN.

YOU GUYS CONCENTRATING ON 133 UNITS. AND IT'S 1072 MARKET RATE.

SO I'M SORRY. 1072 MARKET RATE MINUS THE ONE.

33. YET YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT 133 UNITS AND A PILOT PROGRAM.

AND YOU FOUND A WAY PILOT ON THE MARKET RATE WILL BE THE PILOT ON THE MARKET RATES.

THE PILOT THERE'S ALREADY A PILOT IN PLACE FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. THIS WILL BE A PILOT ON THE MARKET RATE ON THE MARKET RATE PROPERTIES.

THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING HERE. I'M SORRY, THIS IS I DIDN'T REALIZE BECAUSE I HAD HEARD YOU STATE THAT THERE WOULD BE NO ABATEMENTS FOR THE MARKET RATES. CORRECT. IS THERE AN ABATEMENT NOW? BUT THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING.

THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING HERE. ALL RIGHT. SO THERE'S NO ABATEMENT FOR THE MARKET RATE. BUT YOU FOUND A WAY TO GET A A A A FEE FOR MIA. WE DID NOT FIND THAT WAY. DOCTOR HORTON CAME TO.

I'M SURE THEY DID. I'M SURE THEY DID. WITH A REQUEST FOR THAT FEE.

I'M. I'M GOING TO STOP BECAUSE YOU GUYS KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING.

YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING. I HEAR, BUT THAT'S. BUT AND AND WE'RE GETTING TO MINUTIA NOW.

SO WHAT I'M SAYING BECOMES CLOUDY AND NOT CLEAR, BUT THAT'S WHY IT'S VERY CLEAR.

I'M TRYING TO EXPLAIN TO YOU THAT THERE WAS A MECHANISM IDENTIFIED TO FUND THE SCHOOLS, AND THAT WOULD BE THROUGH A PILOT ON THE MARKET RATE HOUSING.

FOR ME, THE ONLY WAY TO MAKE THAT VIABLE WAS TO CHARGE THE ENTIRE TAXATION AMOUNT AND VIA A PILOT.

HOWEVER, IN THE EVENT, THERE WILL BE OPPORTUNITIES FOR DEFAULT ON THOSE PILOTS, AND THAT'S WHERE THE CONCERN WOULD COME IN THAT THAT BOND THEN WOULD FALL ON THE RESIDENTS THAT ARE CURRENTLY HERE IN THE COMMUNITY. CORRECT.

LET ME ASK YOU THIS. I'VE TALKED TO OTHER COMMUNITIES.

I'M I'M ENTRENCHED IN AND SPEAKING TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE DONE THIS, THAT HAVE GOTTEN THE MONEY FROM THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE PROPERTIES TO FUND THE SCHOOLS. ARE WE THE ONLY ONE THAT CAN'T? WHICH ONES CAN YOU GIVE US? EXAMPLES YOU KEEP GIVING. I ABSOLUTELY CAN, AND I'LL COME BACK AND I'LL GIVE YOU THOSE EXACT EXAMPLES, BECAUSE IF I DO, AND IF THERE IS A WAY, WHAT HAPPENS.

I WOULD JUST STATE THAT THIS IS THE REASON WHY I CONTINUE.

I'M LOOKING FOR THE PIECE OF PAPER THAT MARIANNE GAVE US AT THE LAST MEETING. THAT THE MISINFORMATION THAT GETS PUT OUT THERE.

I'VE TALKED TO COMMUNITIES, BUT WE'RE NOT GETTING SPECIFICS.

BRANDON, DID I NOT GIVE YOU THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT WITH THE 69 UNITS THAT YOU SAID WAS THIRD TIME AT.

BRIAN KHAN'S TIME AT THIS POINT? I'M GOING TO STOP.

OKAY. YEAH, RIGHT. I'M GOING TO STAND BY WHAT I SAID.

WE APPRECIATE YOUR VIGOR. I JUST I JUST WANT TO MAKE AND WE THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR TIME.

I'M NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH ON THIS ONE.

WE MET RAY AND I MET WITH MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD TO DISCUSS THE OPPORTUNITIES TO HELP FUND THEIR BONDS.

WE CAME UP. WE CAME BACK WITH THE OPTION OF A FULL PILOT, A FULL PILOT PAYMENT, PLEASE.

WE'RE NOT GOING TO GO BACK AND FORTH. I UNDERSTAND.

I CAN'T HEAR YOU. PLEASE. I CAN'T THROW TWO PEOPLE OUT OF THE SAME MEETING. I'M JUST GOING TO MAKE A STATEMENT HERE. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REPLY TO THIS.

I'M GOING TO ASK YOU TO SIT DOWN. PLEASE. OKAY.

OKAY. OKAY. AS COUNCILMAN COX SAID, WE. WE VIGOROUSLY LOOKED AT EVERY OPTION POSSIBLE TO SUPPORT THE SCHOOLS THROUGH A BOND PAYMENT FROM PILOTS.

THERE WAS AN ENTIRE MATH EQUATION DEVELOPED AND AT A 5% DEFAULT RATE, WHICH, AS MR.

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THE BOND PREMIUM WOULD FAIL, THE BOND WOULD FAIL, AND THE SCHOOL WOULD BE LIABLE, AND THEN THE MUNICIPALITY WOULD BE LIABLE.

IT WOULD COMPLETELY DEVASTATE THE ENTIRE FINANCIAL STANDINGS OF THE SCHOOL AND THE MUNICIPALITY.

IT WAS TOO RISKY TO EVEN GO DOWN THAT PATH. THAT IS WHAT HAPPENED.

AND THAT'S WHY THEY FEEL THEY'RE LIED TO. I DON'T KNOW WHY THEY FEEL THAT THEY WERE LIED TO.

WE HAD OPEN WE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEM. WE HAD CONVERSATIONS IN EXECUTIVE THAT THE 500 SOMETHING UNITS ON THE SAME PROPERTY HAS BEEN OPEN SINCE.

AGAIN, MR. NORMAN LITIGATION STARTED IN 2008 2008.

THIS HAS BEEN A DISCUSSION THAT THIS TOWNSHIP HAS BEEN DEALING WITH.

MR.. CAN BUILD THOSE UNITS TODAY IF HE WANTS TO.

THAT MR. SAMUELS HAS NO LOCAL APPROVALS, NO DEP.

HE'D HAVE TO COME. YOU KNOW, HE HAS. HE HAS NO APPROVALS WHATSOEVER.

SEWER PERMITS. THE ONLY THING HE HAS IS SEWER PERMITS. BUT THERE'S STILL THAT OPEN LIABILITY OF 24 UNITS IN THE SECOND ROUND.

HOWEVER, IN THIS FOURTH ROUND, WE DID ADDRESS THOSE SO THAT WE COULD ADEQUATELY DEAL WITH THE LITIGATION.

SO THE LITIGATION IS STILL OUT THERE. IT'S BEEN OUT THERE SINCE 2008.

HELL OF A LOT MORE THAN 539 UNITS WAS BEING PROPOSED BACK IN 2008.

I WAS STILL IN COLLEGE, SO LIKE, BUT THAT IS STILL SOMETHING THAT'S OPEN.

THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THIS COMMUNITY HAS BEEN DEALING WITH AND WE'VE BEEN DEALING WITH THIS LITIGATION FOR SINCE THAT TIME.

SO THAT'S NOT A SURPRISE. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT WE WENT OVER WITH THE SCHOOL DISTRICT.

I BELIEVE WE'VE DISCUSSED ALL THE MATTERS AT HAND WHEN IT COMES TO THE ITEMS THAT MARIAN HOLLOWAY HAS ADDRESSED.

I JUST WANT TO BECAUSE SHE BROUGHT IT UP. YEAH.

SO SHE GAVE US THE COURT DOCUMENT THAT SAYS A PRESENT NEED OF 69 AND A PROSPECTIVE NEED OF 171, AS I PROVIDED TO ALL COUNCIL MEMBERS AT THE END OF THE LAST MEETING, THE COURT SYSTEM DEFINES PRESENT NEED AS ADDRESSING THE SHORTFALL OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ALREADY EXISTS, GENERALLY FOCUSING ON EXISTING DEFICIENT HOUSING, REHABILITATION AND UNMET OBLIGATIONS FROM PRIOR ROUNDS REPRESENTING A CURRENT PRESENT OBLIGATION.

MANY INCLUDE REHABILITATION AT SUBSTANDARD OCCUPIED HOUSING UNITS.

SO THAT IS WHAT OUR 69 THE PRESENT AS OF TODAY.

THEN THE PROSPECTIVE NEED. THE PROSPECTIVE NEED.

AS THIS COURT DOCUMENT STATES. 171 THE COURT SYSTEM HAS DEFINED PROSPECTIVE NEED AS ADDRESSING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING EXPECTED TO BE NEEDED DURING THE FOURTH ROUND HOUSING PLANNING PERIOD 2025 TO 2035 BASED ON PROJECTED POPULATION GROWTH, HEALTH, HOUSEHOLD GROWTH AND EMPLOYMENT GROWTH OVER THE PLANNING PERIOD OF THAT TEN YEARS, REPRESENTING A FUTURE PLANNING OBLIGATION WITHIN THAT TEN YEARS.

TYPICALLY SATISFIED THROUGH INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENTS.

A 100% AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT ACCESSORY, APARTMENTS, ADAPTIVE REUSE, USABLE UNITS OR OTHER APPROVED COMPLIANCE MECHANISMS. SO THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE. ALL THESE HOUSES CAN'T BE BUILT TODAY, BUT THE PLAN PUT IN PLACE BY THE TOWN IS TO ADDRESS PRESENT AND FUTURE OBLIGATIONS THAT ARE REQUIRED AS PER THE FOURTH ROUND.

AND AS LONG AS WE HAVE AN ACTIVE APPROVED PLAN WITHIN THE COURT SYSTEM, WE ARE SHIELDED FROM A BUILDER'S REMEDY SUIT.

SO SO THAT THE RECORD REFLECTS THAT. THAT'S THE DIFFERENCE.

THAT WAS WHAT? RECOLLECTION OF THE FACTS. THANK YOU.

ANYONE ELSE? ARE YOU SURE? OH. OH, OKAY. ALL RIGHT.

GOOD EVENING. HOW YOU DOING, PATRICK DUFF? YOU KNOW, THAT'S.

I HOPE I GET THE SAME TIME AS THE OTHER TWO SPEAKERS.

WOULD YOU LET HER GO FIRST, THEN. NO. YEAH, ACTUALLY.

OKAY. YEAH. SO, SUE. SUE STATON. I LIVE IN HERITAGE.

I'M KIND OF A NEW RESIDENT. I'VE ONLY BEEN IN MEDFORD RESIDENT FOR A FEW YEARS, BUT I'M.

I HAVE TWO QUESTIONS. OKAY. THERE'S NO RECREATION DEPARTMENT IN THE TOWN.

WHY IS THAT? SO THERE WAS A REFERENDUM. THAT HAPPENED, I THINK 2011, 2012.

I THINK IT WAS 11. THE TOWNSHIP WAS AT A POINT THAT IT WAS OVER RELYING ON ONE TIME REVENUE SOURCES.

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THE TOWNSHIP DIDN'T BECAUSE THEY WERE OVER RELYING ON ONE TIME REVENUE SOURCES.

THE TOWNSHIP COULDN'T RAISE ENOUGH MONEY TO SUPPORT ITS CURRENT BUDGET.

SO THE TOWN STOPPED COLLECTING TRASH AND PRIVATIZED IT.

THE POLICE DEPARTMENT WAS BASICALLY ALMOST CUT IN HALF.

AND THE RECREATION DEPARTMENT WAS DISBANDED. AND THERE WAS TWO OTHER ITEMS THAT I'M FORGETTING, BUT THAT WAS WHAT THE TOWNSHIP HAD TO DO IN ORDER TO RIGHT SIZE BECAUSE THEY WENT TO THE TAXPAYERS, THEY ASKED THEM TO PASS THE REFERENDUM AND THE REFERENDUM FAILED. OKAY. AND UNDER THE LAW, YOU HAVE TO DO THE BUDGET CUTS.

BUDGET CUTS. OKAY. MY SECOND QUESTION, I DON'T KNOW ANYBODY HERE.

I WOULD RECOMMEND MAYBE THESE AGENDA THAT YOU LEAVE AT THE FRONT DOOR, MAYBE HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE THE MAYOR, LIKE PUT PEOPLE'S NAMES SO THAT NEWBIES LIKE ME GET TO BE FAMILIAR.

MR.. UMBRA YOU'RE OBVIOUSLY AN ATTORNEY. I'M NOT AN ATTORNEY.

OKAY, SO WHAT IS YOUR POSITION THAT ALL THE TIME? WHAT'S YOUR POSITION? I WAS HIRED THROUGH A SHARED SERVICE AGREEMENT BECAUSE YOU HAVE AN INTERIM MANAGER WHO SERVES AS THE FIRE CHIEF, AND I'M PROVIDING SUPPORT TO THE MANAGER.

OKAY. BECAUSE I AM A NEIGHBORING TOWNS ADMINISTRATOR.

I'M ALSO A MEDFORD RESIDENT. YOU'RE A MEDFORD RESIDENT? YES. I LIVE DOWN THE STREET FROM YOU, THEN? NOT A QUESTION, BUT I WOULD.

I WOULD SUGGEST, OUT OF RESPECT TO THE MEDFORD RESIDENTS, THE OTHER MEDFORD RESIDENTS THAT COME UP HERE TO THE COUNCIL AND EXPRESS THEIR CONCERNS, THAT YOU NOT SIT THERE WITH A SMIRK ON YOUR FACE.

THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR GIVING ME MY TIME. THANK YOU.

YOU'RE UP. OKAY. THANK YOU MA'AM. GOOD EVENING, PATRICK DUFF AGAIN.

SO, YOU KNOW, THE THE, THE ONE THING I WANT TO TOUCH ON REALLY IS THE BUILDER IS GIVING $1.3 MILLION TO THE MYA, RIGHT? SO AN EXAMPLE OF, OF A RECREATION DEPARTMENT COMPARED TO THE MYA IS THE MYA CANNOT BE OPENED. I CAN'T GET ANY DOCUMENTS FROM THE NY AYE.

IF REQUESTED, THEY CAN SHOW ME. TELL ME TO GO SHOVE IT UP MY BUTT.

BUT THE TOWNSHIP CAN'T. AND I CAN DO AN OPRAH AND FIND OUT HOW MUCH IS BEING SPENT ON FIELDS.

THERE'S PUBLIC BIDDING THAT GOES INTO THESE DEPARTMENTS THAT THE NY AYE IS NOT SUBJECT TO.

SO MY QUESTION IS, WHO HERE HAS MADE SURE THAT THE NY AYE AYE THEMSELVES IS A FINANCIALLY SOLVENT ORGANIZATION THAT IS GOING TO BE A GOOD PROVIDER OF THE SERVICES WITH THAT MONEY.

HAS SOMEBODY HERE IN THE TOWNSHIP PERFORMED AN AUDIT ON THE NY AYE TO FIND OUT WHAT THEIR NONPROFIT STATUS IS? I BELIEVE THE REDEVELOPMENT. LET'S ALLOW HIM FINISH.

YOU SEE, THE ISSUE IS THAT IN 2019, BETWEEN 19 AND 20, THE NIA WAS WAS OPERATING WITH NINE VOTING MEMBERS. THEY HAD A REVENUE OF 821,000, EXACTLY ZERO IN UNEXPLAINED ADMINISTRATIVE OUTFLOWS.

THE ISSUE IS HERE I HAVE FOR THE TOWNSHIP, AND YOU REMEMBER AT THIS POINT IS THAT NO 990 FORMS WERE FILED WITH THE IRS FOR 2021, 2022 AND 2023, TRIGGERING THIS LETTER TO THE MYA FROM THE IRS STATING THAT YOU ARE NOT OR THEY WERE NOT A NONPROFIT AND THAT THEY HAD TO REFILE BECAUSE THEY WERE CONSIDERED A PRIVATE ORGANIZATION AT THAT POINT AND NOT A NONPROFIT.

THIS LETTER IS FROM LAST YEAR. THE FINANCIALS THAT WERE REINSTATED OR SUBMITTED TO REINSTATE THE NIAA ARE EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE, EXTREMELY QUESTIONABLE.

AND BY THE WAY, I CAN. CAN I SUBMIT THIS LETTER FOR THE RECORD? DATED APRIL 3RD, 2025. AND IT PROVES THAT THE MYA WAS NOT FISCALLY RESPONSIBLE.

AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT ARE GOING TO RECEIVE $1.3 MILLION IN TAXPAYER FUNDS.

DOES ANYBODY HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT? I CAN'T DO AN OPRAH TO FIND OUT WHAT HAPPENED.

MAYBE THE MYA CAN EXPLAIN WHY THEY LOST THEIR TAX EXEMPT STATUS, BUT I THINK IT MIGHT BE DIFFICULT TO EXPLAIN SOME THINGS.

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THERE'S NO WAY TO AUDIT THE NIAA AS A COMMUNITY, BUT AS THE BODY UP THERE, YOU CAN.

YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO. THIS ORGANIZATION IS CLAIMING THAT THEY'RE GOING TO TAKE THIS MONEY AND ACT RESPONSIBLY WITH IT.

AND FROM EVERYTHING I SEE, THIS MONEY MIGHT BE USED WHAT THEY REFER TO AS AN ERASER TO ERASE THE DEBT THAT WAS ACCRUED OVER THE YEARS THAT YOU NEVER FILED WITH THE IRS.

IT WENT FROM 821,000 IN OPERATING EXPENSES IN 2020 TO 2.6 MILLION IN 2025. THEY WENT FROM NINE VOTING MEMBERS TO 28 VOTING MEMBERS.

THE NIA'S OWN WEBSITE SAYS THAT THEY VOTE ON THE.

FINANCIALS AS A BOARD AND THEY. THEY. AS I APOLOGIZE AS THE BOARD.

THERE'S LIKE A EXECUTIVE BOARD, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE 990 FORM SHOWS.

990 FORM SHOWS ONLY ONE PERSON GETS TO SEE THAT 990.

SO, MR. DUFF, WOULD YOU YIELD FOR ME TO GIVE YOU AN ANSWER? SURE. CAUSE YOUR TIME. SURE. SO SPECIFICALLY IN EACH ONE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS UNDER ITEM 19 B TWO, IT STATES SAID RESOLUTION SHALL REQUIRE THE AREA TO PROVIDE THE TOWNSHIP WITH AN ANNUAL ACCOUNTING OF ALL EXPENDITURES OF THE FUNDS RECEIVED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE ALLOCATION SCHEDULE ESTABLISHED BY THE SEPARATE TOWNSHIP.

RESOLUTION SAID. ALLOCATION SHALL BE LEFT TO THE DISCRETION OF THE TOWNSHIP AND CAN BE AMENDED FROM TIME TO TIME BY THE TOWNSHIP'S RESOLUTION WITHOUT REQUIRING AN AMENDMENT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. SO WHAT YOU'RE ASKING THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL TO DO TO AUDIT THE MONEY BEING GIVEN TO THEM HAS ALREADY BEEN INSERTED INTO THE FOR REDEVELOPMENT.

NO, I'M ASKING YOU TO LOOK AT THE ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'RE HANDING THE MONEY TO THE.

THE. IMAGINE THIS. YOUR MUNICIPAL BUDGET WAS PASSED APRIL 20TH OF THIS YEAR.

THE 24 AND 25 TAX RETURNS WERE SUBMITTED VIA E FILE THE NEXT DAY FOR THE.

FOR THE YEARS PRIOR. SOMETHING IS VERY WRONG WITH THE FINANCIALS OF THE M, Y, A, AND I UNDERSTAND CERTAIN PEOPLE'S FAMILY MEMBERS MIGHT BE ON THERE OR HOWEVER IT MAY BE, BUT IT SHOULD BE.

THERE'S NO WAY THAT THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD ALLOW A PASS THROUGH TO AN ORGANIZATION THAT, NUMBER ONE, COULDN'T EVEN KEEP ITS TAX EXEMPT STATUS, ESPECIALLY DURING THE YEARS THAT THEY WERE GETTING MONEY TO BUILD, PUT LIGHTS IN YOUR, YOUR YOUR WEBSITE SAYS YOU GOT $125,000 GRANT FROM THE TOWNSHIP TO, TO FIX LIGHTS, BUT THAT'S NOT ON YOUR, IT'S NOT ON THE 990 FORMS YOU'RE HIDING GRANTS OR MAYA IS I DON'T KNOW WHO DOES THAT SPECIFICALLY, BUT THE ACCOUNTANTS FOR THE MAYA ARE DOING THAT.

IT'S, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST TAKE A LOOK AT THE THE RETURNS GO TO GO TO PROPUBLICA.

TAKE A LOOK. HERE IS THE SECOND LETTER I WANT TO SUBMIT TO THE RECORD.

THIS IS DATED TEN THREE, 2025. AND THIS IT SAYS IN YOUR LATEST LETTER DATED SEPTEMBER 2ND, 2025, YOU REQUESTED A RECLASSIFICATION OF FOUNDATION STATUS AS A PUBLIC CHARITY.

SO THIS MEANS THAT FROM 2021 TO 2025, THEY HAVE BEEN OPERATING AND TAKING DONATIONS FOR AN ENTITY THAT HAD NO NONPROFIT STATUS. BUT YOU'RE GOING TO GIVE THEM 1.3 THIS GUY GO WILLY NILLY.

I KNOW YOU MIGHT HAVE CREATED SOME CONTROLS, WHAT LOOKS LIKE CONTROLS, BUT THERE'S NO CONTROLS FOR A PREVIOUS AUDIT OF THE ORGANIZATION, WHICH THERE SHOULD BE. SO WHAT I WANT TO REQUEST TONIGHT, AND YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN DOING A LOT OF COURT STUFF LATELY.

FIRST OF ALL, YOUR YOUR ADMINISTRATOR, THE MANAGER, WHEN YOU FIRED HIM AND YOU REMOVED HIM, YOU REMOVED THE CONTROLS THAT COULD HAVE FOUND SOMETHING LIKE THIS.

LAST NIGHT. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE AWARE, BUT HE FILED TO AMEND HIS COMPLAINT.

DANIEL NICHOLS CAN AMEND THE COMPLAINT SEEKING MORE DAMAGES AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP.

AND ON TOP OF THAT, HE'S MOVING FOR SUMMARY JUDGMENT BECAUSE YOUR TOWNSHIP ADMITTED TO CREATING THE RESOLUTION THAT YOU WENT TO EXECUTIVE SESSION AND ACTED LIKE YOU WERE GOING TO CREATE AN EXECUTIVE SESSION. IT WAS CREATED PRIOR TO THAT.

IT WAS ALREADY SET UP TO BE FIRED AND RELEASED FROM HIS POSITION.

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SO THE PAUSE BUTTON SHOULD BE HIT TONIGHT. A VOLUNTEER BOOSTER CLUB WITH A HISTORY OF IRS TAX REVOCATION CANNOT SAFELY ACT AS AN UNAUDITED MULTI-MILLION DOLLAR CAPITAL DEVELOPER FOR PUBLIC TOWNSHIP LAND.

THEREFORE, I AM FORMALLY REQUESTING TONIGHT THAT AT LEAST ONE MEMBER OF THIS GOVERNING BODY INTRODUCE AN IMMEDIATE MOTION TO FREEZE ALL DEVELOPER PASS THROUGH ALLOCATIONS UNTIL AN INDEPENDENT, THIRD PARTY CERTIFIED ACCOUNTANT COMPLETELY AUDITS THE MYA GENERAL LEDGERS FROM 2020 TO PRESENT.

AND I ASK FOR THE COUNCIL. I ASK FOR A COUNCIL PERSON TO SECOND THAT MOTION AND ASK FOR AN IMMEDIATE ROLL CALL VOTE SO THE RESIDENTS CAN SEE EXACTLY ON THE DAIS WHO STANDS WHERE THEY DO. THANK YOU. THE LETTERS SUBMITTED.

DO YOU HAVE A SECOND LETTER? OKAY. CAN WE KEEP THESE? WE CAN HOLD ON TO THEM. YEAH. AND I'M SORRY. CAN YOU JUST HAND THEM TO OUR ATTORNEY? THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? NO. IS THERE A MOTION? NOT WITHOUT ADVICE FROM COUNSEL. WE'RE. I MEAN, WE'RE NOT AT THAT POINT YET.

WE'RE STILL AT LEAST 2 TO 3 YEARS AWAY FROM ANY MONEY ENTERTAINING ANY TYPE OF THIS.

BUT IN LOOKING AT AT THE MYAS990, THEY DO LIST TEN OFFICERS.

I DON'T SEE THE 20. MR. DUFF, I DON'T KNOW WHERE THAT CAME FROM, BUT THEIR FISCAL YEAR ENDING DECEMBER 25TH AT 990 SHOWS TEN OFFICERS ON THE BOARD AT 28. OKAY. THERE WAS 28. YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE OTHER SCHEDULES THEY HAD.

AND ALSO, NOT TO MENTION IT'S CLEAR TO SEE THAT THEIR THEIR EXEMPT STATUS WAS REVOKED.

RIGHT. YEAH. AND NOBODY ON THE COUNCIL HAS ANY COMMENT, HAS ANY CONCERN.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP TO JUDGMENT. WHAT YOU BRING IS IMPORTANT AND IT'S CONCERNING.

BUT I CAN'T TAKE JUST YOUR WORD ON IT. WE'RE GOING TO NEED TO LOOK INTO IT.

THERE'S A DOCUMENT SHOWING THAT THEY WERE REVOKED.

THE QUESTION IS IF YOU DON'T IF YOU DON'T SHOW CONCERN WITH THAT, MAYBE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW NONPROFITS OPERATE, BUT SOMEBODY THAT'S BRINGING IN MILLIONS OF DOLLARS CAN AFFORD THE 10 TO 15 GRAND THEY PAY FOR, FOR AN ACCOUNTANT TO DO THAT SIMPLE AUDIT. BUT I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP BECAUSE THE RESIDENT BROUGHT A SERIOUS AND POSSIBLY VALID CONCERN.

I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP AND SAY, WELL, WE'RE GOING TO DO THIS.

I'M GOING TO GIVE IT TO YOU. I'M ASKING YOU TO PUT A PAUSE, TO PUT A PAUSE ON THE REALLOCATION OF FUNDS THAT FOR YEARS.

SO, NO, I'M NOT GOING TO JUMP UNTIL MY LAWYER LOOKS OVER EVERYTHING, BECAUSE WHAT IF WE'RE MISSING SOMETHING? I'M GOING TO GIVE THAT SAME THOROUGHNESS TO EVERYONE, YOU KNOW, JUST JUST SO YOU'RE CLEAR, RIGHT? SO I'M CLEAR. I WANT TO SAY THIS ON THE RECORD BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF INTERESTING. MR. CARBONE HERE, I'M INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT RIGHT NOW WHERE I'M SUING SOMEBODY, THE PERSON THAT TRASHED THE MIA FIELDS, NICOLE STAUFFER.

I'M SUING HER. I TRIED TO HAVE THE OFFICER SERVED WITH A SUBPOENA, AND MR. CARBONE IS CHECKING WITH THE COUNTY PROSECUTOR AND YOUR LOCAL PROSECUTOR TO SEE IF THE OFFICER CAN SHOW UP.

WELL, YOU KNOW, THE PROBLEM IS YOUR LOCAL PROSECUTOR.

MR. CASTRO'S IS THE ONE THAT DROPPED ALL THE CHARGES AGAINST MRS. STAUFFER. WHEN THERE'S VIDEO OF HER TRASHING THE MAYA FIELDS AND LET THE RECORD REFLECT.

MIKE, YOU DEFRIENDED ME ON FACEBOOK AND BLOCKED ME.

I DON'T LIKE THAT. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE VIDEO.

NICOLE STOFFER IT'S ALL OVER THE WEB. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT GAVE ME THE VIDEO OF NICOLE STOFFER.

I SENT YOU A VIDEO. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT CONTACTED ME AND LET ME KNOW.

THE MAYA HAD IT, AND THEN SOMEBODY SENT ME AN EMAIL.

YEP. THE MAYA SENT YOU? YEP. AND YOU'RE ALSO YOU'RE ALSO I HAVE TO INTERJECT HERE.

I AM NOT FAMILIAR WITH THIS LITIGATION, BUT I DO FEAR SOME SORT OF WITNESS STATEMENTS THAT COULD BE REQUIRED OF YOU IN THE FUTURE.

I JUST I'M JUST ASKING FOR CLARITY, SIR. I DON'T KNOW THE I DON'T KNOW THE LOGISTICS OF THE LITIGATION.

I JUST HAVE TO ADVISE MY CLIENT TO NOT TO NOT MAKE STATEMENTS THAT COULD BE USED IN A COURT PROCEEDING IN THE FUTURE.

THAT'S ALL. YEAH. SO SO SO WHAT IT IS, IS THAT THE LAST TIME I WAS HERE MAKING COMMENTS, YOUR SOLICITOR CALLED ME A JERK OFF AND SO DID HIS SON. AND THEN THEY HAD THE POLICE AROUND ME TO REMOVE ME FROM THE MEETING.

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HE NEVER CUT HER OFF. THERE IS AN ISSUE HERE IN YOUR TOWNSHIP WITH TRANSPARENCY.

PEOPLE HAVE ASKED FOR A LOT OF QUESTIONS. DO YOU KNOW WHAT BRIAN KARNS REALLY WANTS? I BELIEVE I DO, AND I SAID THAT TO HIM, AND HE AGREED THAT I WAS KIND OF ON THE MONEY.

WHAT HE REALLY WANTS IS FOR AN INVESTIGATION INTO WHAT HAPPENED TO HIS FAMILY.

WHY IS IT THAT CHRIS KOUSOURIS, WHO DROPPED THE CHARGES AGAINST NICOLE STOFFER, IMPOSED A $10,000 FINE AGAINST HIS MOTHER AND TREATED HER LIKE A CRIMINAL? IF YOU CAN'T INVESTIGATE THAT AND CAN'T UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT IS WHAT THE PROBLEM IS.

DIDN'T WE SAY WE WERE GOING TO. WE'D GET BACK TO.

ARE YOU GOING TO. DID I NOT SAY I WOULD, SIR? NO, I DON'T THINK THAT WAS MENTIONED. I DON'T THINK A SOURCE WAS MENTIONED. I DON'T THINK CHRIS WAS MENTIONED. MR..

PLEASE ASK THAT HE NO LONGER BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO US.

THAT IS UNACCEPTABLE. YOU DON'T. I WILL SPEAK TO YOU LIKE I WANT TO.

I DON'T THINK YOU UNDERSTAND WHO I AM AND WHAT I DO.

WHO YOU ARE, SIR. YOU SHOULD CARE WHO THE HELL I AM.

YOU SHOULD. AND I'LL TELL YOU WHY, MICHELLE. BECAUSE WHAT I BROUGHT TO YOUR ATTENTION IS IMPORTANT.

YES, AND I WAS THE FIRST PERSON TO SAY IF IT'S VALID, WE'LL LOOK AT IT.

OUR LAWYER NEEDS TO LOOK AT IT FIRST, YOU KNOW.

SO DO YOU. DID YOU HEAR WHAT I JUST SAID? YOU'RE OLD.

YOUR OLD LAWYER'S REFERRED TO ME AS JERKOFFS AND HAD ME SURROUNDED BY THE POLICE.

I WAS NOT HERE. AND THEY'RE NOT GONE. THEY'RE NOT HERE ANYMORE.

CORRECT. TRYING TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU KNOW HOW YOU MOVE FORWARD WITH TRANSPARENCY.

SO THE TRANSPARENCY THAT YOU CAN CREATE IS BY SAYING, YOU KNOW WHAT? WE WILL ACTUALLY INVESTIGATE WHAT HAPPENED IN THE CRIMINAL TRIAL OF CAROLYN CARNES HERE IN MEDFORD, NOT WE'RE GOING TO LOOK INTO 501 C THREE OR WHATEVER IT IS.

NO, THERE WAS THERE WAS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST A FAMILY IN THIS TOWNSHIP BECAUSE THEY STOOD UP FOR THEMSELVES AND YOU ARE IN POWER.

YOU HAVE THE AUTHORITY TO LOOK INTO IT, AND THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE ACTUALLY WANT.

BUT THE ISSUE IS, ONCE YOU LOOK INTO THAT, WHAT WILL BE DONE? AND THAT'S REALLY THE QUESTION HE HAS. WHAT'S GOING TO BE DONE? IS THERE GOING TO BE AN APOLOGY? HE THOUGHT AN APOLOGY IS GOING TO BE TWO YEARS AGO FROM FROM YOU GUYS AT THE BEGINNING OF THIS YEAR, IT NEVER CAME. BUT BUT JUST TRUST ME WHEN I SAY THIS.

YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH FINANCIALS, WITH AN ORGANIZATION THAT YOU'VE JUST SIGNED AN AGREEMENT TO DO A PASS THROUGH, AND YOU HAVE THE ABILITY TO AUDIT THAT ORGANIZATION, REQUEST AN AUDIT AND JUST ASK THAT YOU DO THAT.

THANK YOU. PAT. MAYOR, IF I MAY, I'VE JUST SEEN THESE LETTERS FOR THE FIRST TIME.

I DO NEED TO MAKE A CLARIFICATION, THOUGH. NEITHER OF THESE LETTERS STATE THAT ANY SORT OF STATUS WAS REVOKED.

THE THE OCTOBER 3RD LETTER STATES THAT THE NIA WAS PREVIOUSLY CLASSIFIED AS A PRIVATE FOUNDATION, AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN CLASSIFIED AS A PUBLIC CHARITY.

AND THE IRS AGREED WITH THEM AND SAID, YES, YOU WERE ERRONEOUSLY CLASSIFIED AS A PRIVATE FOUNDATION AND YOU SHOULD BE A PUBLIC.

THEY DIDN'T FILE FOR THREE YEARS. SIR, YOUR TIME IS UP.

MY JOB TO REVIEW THESE LETTERS. I UNDERSTAND THEY DIDN'T FILE FOR THREE YEARS. GO TO THE IRS. YOU CAN'T FIND 20, 21 OR 20. MR. DUFF, YOU'VE MADE THAT STATEMENT SEVERAL TIMES.

WE THANK YOU. OUR ATTORNEY IS SPEAKING TO US NOW.

YOU CAN GO SIT BACK DOWN. THANK YOU. THAT'S GREAT.

THANK YOU, THANK YOU. AND FURTHER, THE LETTER DATED APRIL 3RD, 2025 STATES.

AND I'LL JUST READ THE FIRST LINE. WE'RE PLEASED TO TELL YOU WE DETERMINED YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL INCOME TAX UNDER INTERNATIONAL REVENUE CODE, SECTION 501 C THREE. SO COULD YOU JUST IN LAYMAN'S TERMS, WHAT WOULD THAT MEAN? THAT MEANS THAT THEY. ON APRIL 3RD, 2025, THIS WAS A VALID CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION.

THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION, MR. DUFF. THAT HELPS CLARIFY THINGS. WOULD ANYONE ELSE.

MR. DUFF, MR. DUFF, MR. DUFF, MR. DUFF, MR.. DUFF, MR. DUFF. READ THE SECOND LETTER. SIT DOWN. THAT'S NOT MIKE.

LET'S BE HONEST. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT ASKED ME TO HELP YOU GET RID OF TIM PRIME.

YOU ASKED ME TO GET RID OF TIM PRIME. ALL RIGHT.

MR. MAYOR. MR. MAYOR, YOU ASKED ME TO GET RID OF TIM PRIME.

AM I RIGHT, CHIEF? AM I CORRECT? DID YOU ASK ME TO GET RID OF TIM PRIME? THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I HAVE IT IN. THANK YOU.

HIS WIFE? NOT YET. SHE'S FROM A DIFFERENT COUNTRY.

OH, YEAH. DON'T ARGUE WITH THAT. ALL RIGHT. GO AHEAD.

THERE'S ONE MORE LINE THAT I THINK IS EXTREMELY IMPORTANT. AND I WOULD HAVE READ IT SOONER. I'M JUST KIND OF READING THIS ALL AND LISTENING. THE FOURTH PARAGRAPH OF THE LETTER STATES BECAUSE YOUR TAX EXEMPT STATUS WAS WASN'T UNDER CONSIDERATION, YOU CONTINUE TO BE CLASSIFIED AS AN ORGANIZATION EXEMPT FROM FEDERAL INCOME TAX.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GENTLEMAN IS REFERRING TO, BUT THESE TWO LETTERS DO NOT STATE, I BELIEVE.

DO NOT STATE WHAT HE'S INDICATED THAT THEY STATE, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE THE RECORD CLEAR, AND I DO BELIEVE THE LETTERS THEMSELVES SHOULD BE MADE A PART OF THE RECORD.

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HOW WOULD WE MAKE THEM PART OF THE RECORD? I'M JUST I'M JUST I MEAN, HERE'S HERE'S THE ISSUE.

AND THAT'S WHY I WAS CONSULTING WITH THE TOWNSHIP CFO. THE TOWNSHIP REIMBURSES THE THE ONLY MONETARY.

PRIOR TO THIS AGREEMENT, THE ONLY MONETARY ITEMS THAT GO TO THE AREA FROM THIS MUNICIPALITY IS REIMBURSEMENT FOR SERVICES OF WHICH THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH RECEIPTS. SO STAR SPRINKLER. THESE ARE TOWNSHIP PROPERTIES, TOWNSHIP OPEN SPACE LANDS.

BUT THE SPRINKLER COMPANY IS BEING PAID BY MYA CORRECT.

LINDSAY. SO THIS THE SERVICE ON A MUNICIPAL PROPERTY TO KEEP THE GRASS GREEN SO THAT THE KIDS CAN PLAY SOCCER OR SOFTBALL OR WHATEVER IS IS THEN REIMBURSED BY THE TOWN, BUT IT'S BEING PAID BY THE WIAA.

SO THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE US WITH RECEIPTS. SO WE DON'T GIVE LIKE A NONPROFIT.

LIKE WE CAN'T USE MEDFORD AS AN EXAMPLE. I'LL USE SOUTHAMPTON AS AN EXAMPLE.

I HAVE TWO NONPROFIT FIRE DEPARTMENTS AND A NONPROFIT VOLUNTEER EMS ORGANIZATION.

THE TOWNSHIP GIVES THEM AN ALLOTMENT. THEY THEN NEED TO PROVIDE US WITH FINANCIALS OF THEIR FACILITY.

THE RELATIONSHIP THAT THE WIAA HAS WITH THE TOWN IS A REIMBURSEMENT SYSTEM FOR SERVICES ON LANDS THAT WE MOST LIKELY WOULD THEN BE THE ONES PAYING FOR THAT SERVICE.

JUST LOOKING AT THE PAST THREE YEARS 2026 SO FAR, $10,400, 2025, 32,640 OR 6, 54 AND $0.50 2024 $19,988.58. THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY GET THAT MONEY IS THEY PROVIDE US THE RECEIPTS THAT THEY PAID FOR THE SERVICES THAT GO ONTO OUR PROPERTY. SO THERE ISN'T A FINANCIAL RELATIONSHIP THAT THE TOWNSHIP HAS.

THE MAYA RUNS THE RECREATIONAL ORGANIZATIONS FOR THE TOWN, BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T HAVE THE ABILITY UNDER ITS BUDGET TO, TO DO SUCH, SUCH ITEMS. SO YOU'VE ALREADY PUT A MECHANISM INTO THIS REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT TO PROVIDE FOR AUDITS.

I THINK THIS LONG, CONVOLUTED CONVERSATION THAT WE JUST WENT THROUGH PROVES THAT YOU'VE ALREADY DONE WHAT MR. DUFF IS ASKING YOU TO DO. YOU PUT SAFEGUARDS ON THESE FOUR RESOLUTIONS THAT STATE THAT THERE NEEDS TO BE AUDITING DONE TO PROVIDE WHAT THIS MONEY IS BEING GIVEN TO THEM, PER THIS REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND YOU ALREADY HAVE IN PLACE FOR MONETARY ITEMS THAT YOU REIMBURSE THEM FOR, THAT THEY HAVE TO PROVIDE YOU WITH RECEIPTS IN ORDER TO THEN GET THE REIMBURSEMENT. SO THAT I THINK THAT'S A LONG, CONVOLUTED WAY OF SAYING THE SAFEGUARDS ARE THERE.

AND DISPARAGING AGAIN, CHIEF STOOD UP FOR OUR POLICE DEPARTMENT DISPARAGING AN ORGANIZATION THAT IS TAKING CARE OF THE YOUTH OF OUR OF OUR COMMUNITY.

WHEN WE DO NOT HAVE THE LEGAL ABILITY TO MAINTAIN OUR RECREATION DEPARTMENT IS IS SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE HAVE TO CONTINUE TO SAY THAT OUR KIDS ARE INVOLVED AND THEY. THERE'S. THE SAFEGUARDS ARE IN PLACE. THANK YOU, MR. MAYOR. I'M SORRY TO BELABOR THE POINT. THERE IS A STATEMENT IN HERE THAT DOES SAY THAT THIS WAS A REQUEST FOR REIMBURSEMENT.

IT LOOKS LIKE THE REQUEST WAS MADE ABOUT A YEAR BEFORE THIS LETTER.

BUT ANYONE WHO KNOWS THE IRS IT PROBABLY TOOK THEM A WHILE TO WORK THROUGH PAPERWORK, BUT THEY WERE REINSTATED BACK TO THAT DATE A YEAR EARLIER.

SO THE GENTLEMAN'S NOT WRONG THAT THEY HAD TO REAPPLY.

BUT THEY WERE GRANTED THAT STATUS IN 2025. 2020 EFFECTIVE 2024.

GREAT. AND MR. MAYOR, THAT HISTORICALLY THE AREA HAS HAS FILED THEIR NINE 90S, EXCEPT WITH THE EXCEPTION OF 2021 2022.

SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT OCCURRED THOSE TWO THOSE TWO YEARS, BUT AT LEAST GOING BACK TO 2010.

THEY HAVE FILED THEIR NINE 90S AS REQUIRED. THANK YOU.

OKAY. WOULD ANYONE ELSE LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? SIR, WOULD YOU LIKE TO SPEAK DURING PUBLIC COMMENT? NO, SIR. I WAS GETTING THE EYES LIKE MAYBE SOMEBODY WANTED TO COME UP.

ALL RIGHT. SEEING NONE. MOTION TO CLOSE. MOTION.

SECOND. ALL RIGHT. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT.

WE WILL NOW GO TO THE CLERK'S REPORT. OKAY. SO WE HAVE TWO GRAPPLES FOR SAINT MARY'S AND LINKS TO

[IX. CLERK’S REPORT ]

ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. THANK YOU TARA.

WE NOW HAVE THREE BILL LISTS FOR APPROVAL. JULY 22ND, 2026.

[X. BILL LIST ]

SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. BILLS ARE BILL LISTS ARE APPROVED.

NOW WE WILL MOVE TO CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTIONS.

[XI. CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTIONS ]

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CORNERSTONE URBAN RENEWAL, LLC. PBC1359PF RESOLUTION 143, 2026.

AUTHORIZING THE AWARD OF A CONTRACT TO COASTLINE EXCAVATING LLC ON THE ON CALL.

ON THE ON CALL CONTRACTOR FOR MISCELLANEOUS UTILITY RECONSTRUCTION OF THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP WATER AND WASTEWATER UTILITIES.

RESOLUTION 144, 2026. AUTHORIZING SOLICITATION OF ROADWAY PERMITS AUTHORIZING RESOLUTION 145, 2026. AUTHORIZING A SHARED SERVICE AGREEMENT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD AND SOUTHAMPTON FOR THE SHARED USE OF PUBLIC WORKS VEHICLES, MACHINERY, EQUIPMENT AND OPERATORS. RESOLUTION 146, 2026.

AWARDING A CONTRACT TO I H. I LOST MY ENGINEERS, I'M SORRY.

AWARDING A CONTRACT FOR ENGINEERS PC IN THE AMOUNT OF $322,640.55 FOR THE PRELIMINARY ENGINEERING SERVICES FOR THE MEDFORD VILLAGE SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOL PROJECT THROUGH THE NJDOT LOCAL AID DESIGN ASSISTANCE PROGRAM.

CAN I JUST SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT? BRIAN. BRIAN.

BRANDON, DO YOU WANT TO EXPLAIN THAT TO GRANT? SO YEAH. SO SO THAT THE TOWNSHIP UNDERSTANDS.

I KNOW NO. MISS HOLLOWAY BROUGHT IT UP. SAYING, WE'RE SPENDING ANOTHER 300 SOME THOUSAND DOLLARS STUDYING SAFE ROUTES.

THIS IS A GRANT THAT IS GIVEN TO US. THERE'S FIVE ENGINEERING FIRMS THAT ARE APPROVED TO BE THE CONSULTANTS.

SO BASICALLY YOU'RE DOING YOU'RE USING FEDERAL MONEY THAT PASS THROUGH THE STATE DOT TO STUDY THE POTENTIAL OF DOING IMPROVEMENTS FOR SAFE ROUTES TO SCHOOLS. THEY WILL GIVE YOU A REPORT BACK. AND THEN THAT ALLOWS YOU TO THEN GO APPLY TO GET THE GRANT ITEMS TO DO THE PROJECTS THAT THEY END UP THEY END UP FINDING OUT OR, OR DISCOVER THAT YOU NEED OR CLARIFY IF I COULD CLARIFY THAT A LITTLE BIT.

THIS, THIS ONE IS ACTUALLY FOR A PROJECT SPECIFIC PROJECT FOR FRIENDS GIL THROUGH THE PARK INTO MILL STREET FOR SIDEWALKS AND CROSSWALKS AND SO ON. SO THIS IS ACTUALLY A DESIGN PROJECT THAT IS FUNDED BY THE STATE.

AND IN THE PROJECT ITSELF IS FUNDED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.

OKAY. SO THIS WAS ALREADY DONE. SO THE STUDY WAS ALREADY DONE. NOW THEY'RE THEY'RE DOING THE ACTUAL THEY WENT RIGHT TO THIS. OKAY. AND, AND JUST TO CLARIFY THE ROADS THAT THIS THAT THIS WOULD BENEFIT FRIENDS.

ALAN GILL AND THROUGH THE PARK, THE BRIDGE OVER THE PARK AND MILL STREET.

BEAUTIFUL. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO IT'S ALL GRANT MONEY.

IT'S NOT THAT'S NOT OUR MONEY. RIGHT? IT IS OUR MONEY.

RIGHT. I WOULD JUST SAY ON THIS TOO, THERE THERE HAVE BEEN COMPLAINTS FROM RESIDENTS ON MILL STREET SPECIFIC TO SPEEDING TRAFFIC, PEDESTRIAN CROSSWALKS, ALL OF THAT. SO SO THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT GRANT FOR US AS A COMMUNITY TO IDENTIFY THOSE ISSUES AND THE SAFETY ISSUES IN THAT IN THAT CORRIDOR. IT'S PRETTY OBVIOUS, RIGHT. AND TOUCHING ON 145 2026 THAT WAS MENTIONED PREVIOUS BY MR. UMBA, THAT WE ARE SHARING A COMBINATION OF CHIPPERS AND EQUIPMENT.

I MEAN, WE'VE, WE'VE BEEN SHARING THE CHIPPER. WE'RE A NEIGHBORING TOWN.

WE WANTED TO TO HELP GET CAUGHT UP. THERE IS SOME NEED FOR SOME OF YOUR EQUIPMENT IN MY TOWN THAT WE CURRENTLY USE THE SERVICES FROM THE COUNTY FOR THE SAME EQUIPMENT.

SO WE ESTABLISHED THE. I WOULD LIKE TO THANK OUR PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR HERE IN MEDFORD AND THE PUBLIC WORKS DIRECTOR IN SOUTHAMPTON.

THEY'VE STUDIED EVERYTHING. WE'RE USING THE FEMA REIMBURSEMENT SCHEDULE.

SO THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WAS ESTABLISHED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT WHEN WE HAVE MAJOR STORMS TO GET FEDERAL REIMBURSEMENT.

AND SO WE'RE JUST GOING TO UTILIZE THOSE FIGURES AND WE'VE SET UP A A SHEET.

SO BASICALLY IF YOU'RE TAKING THE CHIPPER TO, TO CHIP IN AN OFF WEEK, LIKE THE THIRD WEEK, BECAUSE I'M DOING IT ON THE SECOND WEEK, IT'S NOT WHEN IT'S IDLE THAT YOU'RE PAYING FOR IT.

IT'S ONLY WHEN IT'S PUT IN SERVICE. SO IT'S AN HONOR SYSTEM BETWEEN THE TWO TOWNS.

WE PUT IT IN THE SERVICE BETWEEN 9 A.M. AND 3 P.M.

TODAY. AND AND THAT'S HOW LOW CHARGING ARE. BOTH OF OUR DIRECTORS WORK VERY WELL TOGETHER.

I THINK, YOU KNOW, THIS WAY IT JUST COVERS BOTH TOWNS BASED OFF OF WHAT EQUIPMENT THAT WE'RE USING AND GETS OUR EMPLOYEES CROSS TRAINED ON CERTAIN EQUIPMENT.

WE NEVER HAD A CHIPPER HERE. NOW WE'RE CROSS TRAINING.

WE CAN USE A CHIPPER WHEN WE NEED TO GET CAUGHT UP.

RIGHTFULLY SO FROM THAT ONE RESIDENT SAYING, WE GOT TO PUT OUT RIGGERS OUT EVERY SINGLE TIME YOU GOT A SMALL PILE, CHIP IT UP AND MOVE ON TO THE NEXT. OR NOT. IT'S MOVING A LOT FASTER.

SO I THINK IT'S I THINK IT WORKS. MANY TOWNS ARE DOING THIS.

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GREAT. ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? AND COUNCIL MEMBERS, I APPRECIATE YOUR CLARIFICATION ON THAT AS WELL.

ON 146 ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS ON RESOLUTIONS? SEEING NONE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SO MOVED. YEAH.

I'M SORRY. I NEED A SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL.

YES. MR. POTTS. AYE. AYE. AYE. AYE. ALL RIGHT, NOW ON TO EXECUTIVE SESSION RESOLUTION S

[ XII. EXECUTIVE SESSION ]

I'M ASSUMING WILL NOT BE TAKEN. NO. WILL NOT BE TAKEN.

NO ACTION WILL BE TAKEN. BUT I DO BELIEVE WE WOULD MOST LIKELY BE OUR HOUR AND A HALF.

YEAH. WELL, SOME SIGNIFICANT TIME. YOU'RE WELCOME TO STAY.

IF NOT YOU KNOW, BUT WE WILL ADJOURN THE PUBLIC PORTION WHEN WE'RE COMPLETED WITH EXECUTIVE.

WE NEED A MOTION. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. ALL RIGHT. EXECUTIVE. OKAY. I'M RECONVENING THE OPEN PORTION OF THE PUBLIC MEETING. WE DISCUSSED ALL THE ITEMS ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA AND NO ACTIONS WERE TAKEN.

MOTION TO ADJOURN. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? MEETING ADJOURNED. THANK YOU. YOU NEED ANYTHING? OKAY.

ALL RIGHT. WELL.

* This transcript was compiled from uncorrected Closed Captioning.