* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. ALL RIGHT. [00:00:02] GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. WE'RE [1.Convening of Meeting] GONNA START THE, UH, MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING. UH, CAN WE HAVE THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETING ACT MEETING STATEMENT PURSUANT TO THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BROLIN COUNTY TIMES, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY POSTED IN THE BILL AND BOARD IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, AND ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF BEDFORD TOWNSHIP, AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE AS OF FEBRUARY 12TH, 2026. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETINGS HAVE BEEN PROVIDED. SO CAN WE STAND FOR THE FLAG SLATE, PLEASE JUDGE. ALLEGIANCE FLAG. IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, WE DO THE REPUBLIC BEFORE WE STAND ONE NATION UNDER BEHALF, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY JUSTICE, WE DO ROLL CALL. YES, MADAM CHAIR . VICE CHAIRMAN? RICKS AYE. MR. MORRISON? MR. SOFO? HERE. MR. GENTILE? HERE. MR. HACKETT. MR. BRIAN? YES. MR. PORTO PATELLA? YEAH. THANK YOU. OKAY, WE'LL MOVE ON TO CORRESPONDENCE. [5.Correspondence – NJPO May/June 2026 ] UM, I'M GLAD YOU HAVE . YEP. DO WE HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? YES. UM, GO AHEAD. OKAY. SO WE DID RECEIVE CORRESPONDENCE FROM, UH, THE LEGAL REPRESENTATIVE FROM, UM, THE MR. NORMAN WHO REPRESENTS GOODWILL INDUSTRIES. HE'S REQUESTING THAT THE APPLICATION BE CARRIED OVER TO SEPTEMBER 16TH MEETING. OKAY. SO IF THERE'S ANYBODY HERE FOR THAT APPLICATION, IT IS GONNA BE CARRIED OVER, UH, TILL THE SEPTEMBER 16TH, UH, MEETING AT THIS POINT FOR THE GOODWILL STORE. WITHOUT NOTICE, I BELIEVE. CORRECT? YES. WITHOUT NOTICE, WE NEED TO VOTE ON THAT. WE TO VOTE. YES. WE SHOULD VOTE TO. SO, UM, DO WE HAVE A ALL IN FAVOR? IN FAVOR? MOTION. MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. ANY OPPOSED? AYE. SECOND. IT. SO WITH THAT, THE APPLICANT WILL NOT NEED TO RE-NOTICE CORRECT. FROM SEPTEMBER 16TH, JUST TO PUT THAT ON? THAT'S CORRECT. SO IF YOU'RE HERE FOR THAT APPLICATION, YOU'RE NOT GONNA GET ANOTHER NOTICE, BUT IT'S GONNA HAPPEN ON SEPTEMBER 16TH FROM WHERE WE'RE, OKAY. AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE INTO THE, WE HAVE, WE HAVE ANOTHER CORRESPONDENCE. IS THERE MORE? WOW. YES. SO THE NEW JERSEY PLANNING OFFICIALS DIGITAL PLANNER HAS BEEN RELEASED AND THEY, UM, RELEASED IN MAY AND JUNE, 2026 EDITION. THE PLANNING BOARD SECRETARY ENCOURAGES MEMBERS TO VIEW THE MAY AND JUNE, 2026 EDITION. UM, IF ANYONE ARE INTERESTED TO REGISTER FOR EDUCATIONAL SEMINARS OR WEBINARS TO PLEASE REACH OUT TO AM BILL AND SHE CAN ASSIST YOU GUYS WITH THAT. OKAY. VERY GOOD. ANY OTHER CORRESPONDENCE? THAT'S IT. ALL RIGHT, GREAT. SO WE'LL GET INTO THE MINUTES. UM, [6.Minutes ] HAVE YOU GUYS HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE FEBRUARY, UH, 18TH 2026 MEETING? THANK YOU. I WAS NOT HERE FOR THE MAY MEETING. OKAY. SO KIM, WE WILL DO A ROLL CALL FOR THE VOTE, BUT DO WE HAVE AN APPROVED, WE NEED SOMEBODY TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. I'M SORRY, FOR WHICH MEETING? FEBRUARY 18TH. I DON'T THINK MR. BRIAN WAS THERE. I WAS NOT. SO YOU CAN'T MAKE A MOTION ON THAT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. OKAY. SECOND. ALL RIGHT. WE'LL DO A ROLL OFF BOOK. OKAY. HOLD ON. OKAY. SO THAT'LL BE MR. Z. ALRIGHT, MR. GENTILLY? YES. AND MR. HACKEY? UH, UH, YES. AND THEN THANK YOU DON. I NEED A VOTE, YOUR HONOR. PARDON ME, DON'T I? OH, I WAS NOT HERE. YOU WEREN'T THERE? YES. ALRIGHT. UH, THE MAY 20TH MEETING MINUTES. DID YOU GUYS HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THAT ONE AS WELL? CAN WE GET A MOTION TO MOTION TO APPROVE FOR THAT SECOND, SECOND, UH, ROLL CALL. VOTE PLEASE. OKAY. MR. OKAY. VICE CHAIRMAN, RICK. AYE. MR. Z? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. MR. BRIAN? YES. MR. PATELLA? AYE. THANK YOU ALL. WE'LL MOVE ON TO [7.Memorialization of Resolutions ] MEMORIALIZATION, UH, 2026 DASH 21 EASTERN WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE, LLC 1 45 HEMI LINE ROAD, APPROVAL FOR [00:05:01] USE, VARIANCE AND PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN TO INSTALL A NEW COMMUNICATIONS FACILITY IN THE GMS ZONING DISTRICT. GET A MOTION. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. DO WE NEED A ROLL CALL FOR THIS? YOU JUST, YOU JUST GET THAT A ROLL CALL. UH OH. MR. SOFOS AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RICKS AYE. MR. BRIAN? YES, MR. BROWN? AYE. ALL RIGHT. WE ARE MOVING ON TO THE [8.Applications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his transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.