[Call to Order]
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OKAY, I'M GONNA CALL THE PLAN BOARD MEETING TO ORDER.
THE DATE OF JUNE IS THE 22ND, 24TH, OF COURSE.
UM, SO THAT WAS STAND FOR THE FRIDAY STUDENT.
ALLEGIANCE TO THE FIVE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO REPUBLIC
NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.
POSTED A COPY OF THE AGENDA ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, FILING A COPY OF THE AGENDA IN THE OFFICE OF THE TOWNSHIP CLERK AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, FORWARDING A COPY OF THE AGENDA TO THE CENTRAL RECORD AND THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES FORWARDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO EACH PERSON WHO HAS REQUESTED COPIES OF THEIR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULES.
AS ALWAYS, REMIND EVERYONE THIS MEETING IS BEING STREAMED LIVE.
AND SO BOTH OUR STATEMENTS AND ACTIONS ARE BEING RECORDED.
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THE MINUTES.HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES? AND IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? UM, IS THERE A MOTION TO APPROVE? IT'S A VOICE VOTE ONLY.
UM, SO NOW I GUESS ON THE, THERE'S NO CORRESPONDENCE.
SO THE INSUFFICIENT ESCROW BALANCE IS OVER SIX MONTHS.
IT SEEMS LIKE MOST OF THESE HAVE BEEN ON HERE FOR A WHILE.
[7. Referral from Township Council a. Consideration of Resolution 14-2026 – consideration of Ordinance 2026-15, seeking to add Data Centers as a Nonpermitted Use in all Zoning District.]
A REFERRAL FROM THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL OF RESOLUTION 14 DASH 2026.CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCES 2026 DASH 15, SEEKING TO ADD DATA CENTERS AS A NON PERMITTED USE IN ALL ZONING DISTRICTS.
UM, I BELIEVE THE WAY THAT I'LL FIRST STATE, UH, TO EVERYONE, I'M NOT A PRO DATA CENTER GUY.
UH, I KNOW WHAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ELIMINATE BY THIS ORDINANCE HERE, BUT I THINK IT IS WRITTEN INCORRECTLY AND ELIMINATES A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HELP THE TOWNSHIP IN THE VERY NEAR FUTURE, WITHIN THE NEXT TWO TO THREE YEARS.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE THE WAY THAT IT'S WRITTEN RIGHT NOW.
SPECIFICALLY, WHAT OUTLINES AS A DATA CENTER WOULD ELIMINATE.
UM, ANY IT COMPANY THAT'S LOOKING TO OPEN HERE IN MEDFORD OR TECHNICALLY IS OPEN HERE IN MEDFORD, WOULD QUALIFY UNDER THIS.
ADDITIONALLY, ANY CELLULAR SITE THAT WE'RE LOOKING TO ADD OR EXISTING CELLULAR MATCHES ALL THE DESCRIPTION HERE.
UM, MY HOME MATCHES THIS DESCRIPTION AS WELL.
SO I WOULD ENCOURAGE AND I WILL OFFER MY SERVICES, UM, TO HELP COUNSEL AND, AND THE, UH, THE LEGAL TEAMS REWRITE THIS IN A MANNER THAT I THINK WOULD BE MORE, UH, BENEFICIAL TO THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD.
STILL TAKING INTO ACCOUNT WHAT I THINK WE'RE LOOKING TO ACCOMPLISH, WHICH IS NOT HAVE THE 250,000 SQUARE FOOT, UH, FACILITIES THAT ARE CAUSING ISSUES THROUGHOUT THE STATE AND THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY.
AND I'M HAPPY TO ANSWER QUESTIONS 'CAUSE THIS IS WHAT I DO FOR A LIVING.
WAS THERE SPECIFIC? YEAH, IT'S REAL WORDING THAT, THAT YOU CAN POINT TO THAT SAYS THAT YOUR HOUSE IS A DATA CENTER.
THE, THE OUTLINE OF IT OVERALL.
UM, STORING DATA, GENERATOR BACKUP, UM, INTERNET CONNECTIVITY, ALL EVERYTHING THAT'S OUTLINED IN THERE.
OUTLINES SPECIFICALLY, UM, AS YOU SCROLL DOWN, WHAT IS, WHAT IS DESCRIBED AS A DATA CENTER? UM, OUTLINES HOW A CELLULAR TOWER WORKS.
UM, ALL CELL SITES QUALIFY AS A DATA CENTER BASED ON THIS DESCRIPTION.
UM, ANY, I, LIKE I SAID, ANY, ANY SMALL BUSINESS THAT'S AN IT COMPANY IS GONNA HAVE DATA STORAGE.
MY HOUSE SPECIFICALLY HAS COMPUTERS THAT STORE DATA.
I HAVE, UM, A GENERATOR FOR BACKUP POWER.
UM, I HAVE EVERYTHING ON THERE.
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YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING THAT'S OUTLINED ON THERE, CONNECTIVITY TO THE GRID, ET CETERA, IS ALL, UM, SOMETHING THAT I THINK WE CAN DO A BETTER JOB OF OUTLINING THIS AND ACCOMPLISHING, I FEEL, WHAT THE, WHAT THE COUNCIL IS MOVING TOWARDS.AND I AGREE WITH, UM, ON THE OVER OVERARCHING OUTLINE OF THIS, DID THAT SAY IT WOULD BE A FACILITY PRIMARILY? PRIMARILY? I WAS, I JUST SAW THAT YEAH.
BUT, SO LET'S TAKE, LET'S TAKE THAT OUT.
IT WAS AN EXTREME EXAMPLE, BUT IF WE TAKE THAT OUT AND, AND I'M NOT LOOKING TO CAUSE A BIG DEBATE.
I JUST WANNA OFFER HELPING TO, TO BETTER, I THINK WORD THIS, UM, AND GET MORE TO THE HEART OF IT.
SO THE CELL TOWER OVER OFF OF HARRIS TOWN ROAD, OR THE CELL TOWERS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF TOWN OR OFF OF THE WATER TOWER HERE, QUALIFY FOR ALL OF THIS HAS, IT IS SPECIFICALLY PROCESSING DATA.
IT HAS DATA STORAGE, IT HAS, UH, CONNECTED TO THE GRID BACKUP GENERATION, ALL OF THE THINGS AGAIN THAT ARE OUTLINED HERE.
SERVERS, NETWORK EQUIPMENT APPLIANCES, TELECOMMUNICATIONS, STORAGE SYSTEMS, ALL OF THAT.
SO I THINK, AGAIN, I KNOW WE'RE SPLITTING HAIRS FOR LACK OF A BETTER TERM, BUT I THINK SPLITTING HAIRS.
I THOUGHT EVERY TIME THERE WAS A CELL TOWER, IT'S KIND OF LIKE THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S NEEDED.
AND WE DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SAY WHEN WE DID THAT ONE ON TOTTEN.
IT WAS LIKE, YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF SAY WHEN THE GOVERNMENT SAYS IT'S NEEDED.
SO, AND THE OTHER THING WITH THE CELL TOWER IS, AGAIN, GETTING BACK TO THE WORD PRIMARILY A CELL TOWER IS PRIMARILY TO TRANSMIT DATA, NOT TO STORE DATA.
AND, AND AGAIN, I I WASN'T LOOKING TO TURN THIS INTO A BIG DEBATE.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING UP THE POINT.
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT THERE ARE, THERE ARE THINGS IN HERE THAT COULD BE IN THE FUTURE IF WE'RE CREATING AN ORDINANCE THAT WE'RE POINTING OUT.
UM, AND MAYBE JUST FOR THE PURPOSE OF TONIGHT, 'CAUSE THE BOARD RIGHT NOW IS ONLY MASTER PLAN CONSISTENCY.
OUR MASTER PLAN OBVIOUSLY IS SILENT WITH RESPECT TO DATA CENTERS.
NOW UNDER SECTION 1 0 5, 'CAUSE CHAPTER 1 0 5 SAYS, ANY FACILITY THAT IS NOT EXPRESSLY PERMITTED IS PROHIBITED.
THIS CREATES A BLANKET PROHIBITION.
SO I DON'T THINK THAT ANY PART OF THIS IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
THERE MAY BE A RECOMMENDATION BACK TO THE GOVERNING BODY THAT PROVIDES SOME DISTINCTIONS.
THERE ARE SMALL SCALE DATA CENTERS.
WE'RE ACTUALLY WORKING ON SOME OF THESE.
THERE ARE SMALL SCALE DATA CENTERS AND THERE ARE LARGE SCALE AI.
THE ONES THAT WE HEAR THE HORROR STORIES ABOUT, THE WATER USAGE AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
ALL THE NEXT GEN DATA DATA CENTERS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED ARE ALL CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS OR AIR COOLED PRIMARILY, OR AIR COOLED.
SO THE WATER ISSUE THAT HAS BEEN A PROBLEM, AND IT IS A PROBLEM TODAY IN A LOT OF COMMUNITIES, IS BEING ADDRESSED IN THIS NEXT ROUND.
SO IT MAY BE SOMETHING THAT THE RECOMMENDATION IS THE COUNCIL CONSIDER EITHER WITH THIS ORDINANCE OR SHORTLY THEREAFTER CREATING, LOOKING AT VARIOUS TYPES THAT MAY OR MAY NOT BE APPROPRIATE IN THE COMMUNITY TO REFINE THE ORDINANCE.
AND, AND THAT WAY THAT CAN SORT OF TAKE ON ITS OWN LIFE THERE IN SMALL SIDE EDGE COMPUTING.
AND, AND THAT'S, THAT'S ALL I WAS LOOKING TO BRING TO THE TABLE, WAS NOT AN OVER OVERLY CRITICAL.
I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A BIG PUBLIC OUTCRY AGAINST THESE RIGHT NOW, AND I UNDERSTAND ALL OF THAT.
TE TECHNOLOGY IS CHANGING DRAMATICALLY IN A VERY SHORT PERIOD OF TIME.
AND WE CAN HAVE A MEDICAL OFFICE IN TOWN NOW THAT IS A FIVE OR 7,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING THAT IS JUST MEDICAL RECORDS STORAGE AND, AND TECHNICALLY RIGHT.
THAT THAT COULD BE INCLUDED AS, AS BEING PROHIBITED.
AND, AND WE'RE NOT EVEN SURE THAT WHETHER OR NOT THEY EXIST BECAUSE SOME ON SMALL SCALE, THEY REALLY DO NOT BECOME A HUGE PROBLEM.
BUT, SO MAYBE THIS IS SOMETHING THE COUNCIL, UM, AT SOME POINT COULD LOOK
BUT THE WAY, THE WAY THAT I SAW THIS, AGAIN, NOT NOT PUSHING BACK, UM, I UNDERSTAND THE PREMISE BEHIND IT, BUT I THINK IT CAN BE, I THINK IT CAN BE ADJUSTED AS STATED TO HELP.
IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A CONDITIONAL USE OF LESS THAN X NUMBER OF SQUARE ONE MEGAWATT.
SQUARE FOOT RESTRICTION, POWER RESTRICTION, MEGAWATT COOLING RESTRICTIONS AND DISTANCE WATER IS WATER RESTRICTIONS AND DISTANCE FROM RESIDENTIAL.
THE WA THE WATER ASPECT OF THINGS IS, IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, CAN BE ELIMINATED COMPLETELY IN TODAY'S DATA CENTERS.
WHEN YOU SAY ELIMINATED, THEY DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT WHERE YOU READ ALL THE NIGHTMARES ABOUT IT.
THE NEW TECHNOLOGY DOESN'T USE THE WATER LIKE THAT.
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MOST OF THEM ARE AIR COOLED.UM, SO IT DOESN'T REQUIRE ANY WATER WHATSOEVER.
SO YOU'VE GOTTEN BETTER, THERE'S A ZERO.
THERE'S A ZERO WATER NEED FOR IT.
LIQUID COOLING OR CLOSED LOOP SYSTEMS. NOW, UM, FOR THAT, SPECIFICALLY FOR CHIP SETS IN AI, UM, WORKS JUST LIKE YOUR CAR DOES WITH COOLING NON, SO THEY DON'T HARM THE ENVIRONMENT.
WHAT'S THE OBJECTION? WHY, WHY HAVE THIS ORDINANCE? WHY, WHY ARE WE DOING THIS? WELL, I THINK IT'S TO ELIMINATE SIZE AND SCOPE.
SO AGAIN, AND THEY DON'T MENTION EXACT SIZE AND SCOPE.
I THINK THAT'S WHAT YOU, YEAH.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE IS JUST NARROWING IT DOWN TO WHAT COULD POTENTIALLY BE BENEFICIAL OR ALLOWED HERE FOR A PRACTICAL USE.
IF IT, IF IT'S THE SIZE OF A SHIPPING CONTAINER AND THERE'S NO ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT AND NO TOUCHING THE ELECTRICAL GRID TO DRIVE ELECTRIC UP, IF IT'S SELF-POWERED, ALL THAT TYPE OF THING, THEN, YOU KNOW, UM, THOSE ARE THE ASPECTS THAT I JUST WANTED TO BRING TO THE TABLE.
JUST CURIOUS, WHAT WAS YOU, YOU HAD SAID TECHNICALLY IT'S NOT ALLOWED ANYWAY BECAUSE THE WAY THE MASTER PLAN READS, IF IT'S NOT, WHAT WAS THE REASON? THIS IS JUST 'CAUSE IT'S A HOT BUTTON.
IS THAT WHY IT'S A HOP ON TOPIC AND BECAUSE MOST ORDINANCES AND MASTER PLANS ARE COMPLETELY SILENT TOWNS WANT TO PROVIDE CLARITY TO THEIR BOARDS AND TO THEIR STAFF THAT THESE ARE IN FACT PROHIBITED BECAUSE THE, THE MASSIVE AI DATA CENTERS HAVE THE WATER ISSUE.
THEY HAVE A TREMENDOUS NOISE ISSUE.
THE ONE, THE ONE THAT I KEEP READING ABOUT IN VINELAND AND MILL.
THERE, THERE CAN BE A CONSTANT HUM WITH THAT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT THERE ARE WAYS, AND, AND I I THINK WE ALL AGREE THAT HAVING A RIGHT, AN 800,000 SQUARE FOOT OR A MILLION SQUARE FEET OF AI DATA CENTER IS REALLY NOT SOMETHING THAT'S INTERESTING.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU HAVE TO CHANGE THE ORDINANCE AS THE TECHNOLOGY CHANGES.
EVERY FEW YEARS THIS IS A, A DEAD, YOU KNOW, RESTRICTION BECAUSE NOW YOU MIGHT HAVE DATA CENTERS THAT DON'T PUMP, THAT DON'T USE WATER.
I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S, NOBODY WANTS A MILLION SQUARE FOOT THING AT THE SAME TIME.
IF THERE'S A, YOU KNOW, IF THERE'S A VACANT BUSINESS BUILDING THAT CURRENTLY EXISTS THAT COULD HOLD DATA WITHOUT USING WATER WITH ITS OWN SOLAR PANELS ON THE ROOF, YOU KNOW, WITHOUT MAKING ANY NOISE, WHY WOULD WE NOT WANT THAT PARTICULAR BUSINESS? AND HOW MANY LARGE AND PARCELS ARE THERE TO HAVE A DATA CENTER? WHERE DO THEY EXIST IN MEDFORD? YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM IN.
I GUESS SAMOS COULD BE ONE OR ONE OF THOSE.
WELL, YOU CAN'T PUT 'EM IN THE PINE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GOING LIKE, YOU PUT MO SQUARE FOOT.
WELL, IF THE WATER ISSUE WAS ADDRESSED, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WOULD NECESSARILY BE AN ISSUE IN PINE.
BUT, UM, BUT THAT'S WHY CREATING CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS THAT RELATE TO NOISE, WATER CONSUMPTION, THE MASS OR THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE ALREADY HAVE BUILDING SIZE LIMITATIONS IN THE TOWN ANYWAY.
UM, AND, AND IF SOMETHING DID COME IN THAT WAS SLIGHTLY LARGER, REZONING, REDEVELOPMENT OR USE VARIANCE IS ALWAYS AN OPTION FOR AN APPLICANT THAT IF THEY'RE DOING THE RIGHT THING AND THAT SITE IS PARTICULARLY WELL SUITED, THAT'S WHY USE VARIANCES CAN AND ARE GRANTED OCCASIONALLY IN, IN PARTICULAR CIRCUMSTANCES.
SO YOU'RE SAYING THAT EVEN IF WE DID ADOPT THIS, IF SOMEBODY CAME IN AND SAID, HEY, I WANT TO TAKE THIS VACANT BUSINESS, TURN IT INTO A DATA CENTER, IT'S GONNA RUN ON SOLAR POWERS, ONE BIG TICK CONNECTED GRID WON'T MAKE ANY NOISE, WON'T USE ANY WATER, WE COULD GRANT A VARIANCE TO IT WOULD BE A USE ZONING BOARD.
AND THAT DID COME UP LAST NIGHT, AND WE DID TALK ABOUT GOING THROUGH ZONING FIRST AND THEN POSSIBLY AS TECHNOLOGY CHANGES AMENDING THE ORDINANCE, YOU REVISITING THE ORDINANCE TO, WHICH IS WHAT WE HAVE TO DO WITH A LOT OF THINGS.
WE CHANGE OUR STORM ORDER ORDINANCES EVERY FEW YEARS.
TELECOMMUNICATIONS ORDINANCES HAVE CHANGED OVER THE YEARS AND TRYING TO STAY SOMEWHAT CURRENT IS, IT'S NOT EASY.
IT'S TRYING TO EXCLUDE THE WORST.
UM, TO PROTECT THE PUBLIC AND THE RESIDENTS AND THE ENVIRONMENT AND THE CHARACTER.
UM, BUT THERE ARE AVENUES THAT PEOPLE HAVE THAT IF THE RIGHT USE AND THE RIGHT USER IN THE RIGHT LOCATION, IT COULD BE APPROPRIATE.
SO WHERE'S WAS THAT LEAFLESS? BUT SCOTT, YOU DID SAY THAT THERE ARE IS A DATA CENTER EXISTING TODAY, RIGHT? NO, I'M SAYING THAT THERE COULD BE, THERE, THERE COULD BE
OH, YOU WOULDN'T, YOU WOULDN'T KNOW.
SO FOR EXAMPLE, AND IT'S NOT THE CASE, BUT I'M SAYING THERE, THERE COULD BE A, A MEDICAL OFFICE.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANYTHING THAT'S PRE, IT'S JUST STORING DATA NOW IN A 3000 SQUARE FOOT SPACE.
AND, AND WE DON'T, WE DON'T KNOW ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S, SO WE DON'T KNOW IF WE HAVE ANY PREEXISTING.
SO WE, IF WE, IF WE APPROVE THIS, WE STILL HAVE TO REVISIT IT AND AMEND IT ANYWAY FOR, FOR ANYTHING THAT'S PREEXISTING.
AND, AND THEY COULD HAVE A, THEY COULD GO FOR A USE VARIANCE AS WELL, BUT WE WOULD WANT TO ADDRESS SOMETHING THAT IS,
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I, THE, THE ONE THING THAT, THAT, THE THING THAT I DON'T LIKE ABOUT IT, AND I I'M FOR IT, BUT I DON'T LIKE THAT IT, IT'S BASICALLY TELLING AN ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, STORY THAT LIKE, THIS IS, THIS IS NOT WHAT WE WANT IN MEDFORD.AND IT KIND OF, I I GO BACK THE OTHER WAY.
LIKE, YOU KNOW, JOBS ARE JOBS, YOU KNOW, OR, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, BUSINESS IS BUSINESS.
AND SO IT WOULD BE HELPFUL TO NOT TAKE A WHOLE GENRE OF BUSINESS AND SAY, HEY, WE DON'T WANT YOU.
SO I, I THINK THERE'D BE SOME TYPE OF, UH, AMENDMENT TO THIS, UH, ORDINANCE THAT, THAT WOULD ALLOW FOR SOME TYPE OF USE.
I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY COUNCIL WANTED TO GO THAT DIRECTION TO ALLOW SOME SMALLER AND GREAT LOCATION.
I I THINK MOST JOBS AT THE DATA CENTER WOULD BE TEMPORARY BECAUSE IT SEEMS LIKE DATA IS SOMETHING THAT YOU DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE IN THE BUILDING TO, YOU KNOW, SO BE PRODUCTIVE WITH.
FROM THE CONSTRUCTION ASPECT OF IT, BUT MOST OF THE DATA CENTERS HAVE ANYWHERE FROM 30 TO 50 PEOPLE EVERY DAY THAT SHOW UP TO WORK THERE.
SO WHAT THEY DO IS THEY GO AROUND TO MAKE SURE THAT SERVERS ARE RUNNING, THEY INSTALL NEW EQUIPMENT, THEY TEST, UM, ELECTRICAL.
THIS IS LARGE SCALE DATA CENTERS.
BUT ON A SMALL SCALE, IF AGAIN, IF WE WERE TO HAVE, UM, YOU KNOW, A CONTAIN A SHIPPING CONTAINER SIZE ONE THAT WAS HERE, YOU'D HAVE SOMEBODY IN AND OUT AT LEAST, LEAST, BUT WE'RE LEANING, LEANING TOWARDS BANNING LARGE SCALE.
IT DOESN'T REALLY SAY LARGE SCALE.
AND THAT'S WHAT I'VE, THAT'S THE BIG QUESTION.
AI DATA CENTERS AND DOESN'T SAY AI.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S A PROPER TERM TO USE FOR A DATA CENTER, BUT, YOU KNOW, LIKE A MEDICAL DATA CENTER.
YOU KNOW, THAT'S NOT A BIG PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S A, IT'S A, IT'S A TYPICAL BUILDING.
YOU CAN PROBABLY HAVE THAT DATA STORED.
ONCE YOU, ONCE YOU GET INTO THE DATA SETS, IT'S HARD TO RESTRICT WHAT THOSE DATA SETS ARE INSIDE OF THOSE, THOSE SERVERS SITTING IN RACKS.
SO, YOU KNOW, YEAH, I COULD SAY THAT.
IT'S ALL MEDICAL STUFF UNTIL YOU LOG INTO THAT SERVER AND SEE IT.
IS IT REALLY MEDICAL OR IS IT SOMETHING ELSE THAT'S IN THERE BECAUSE THEY, THEY'RE INDEPENDENTLY OWNED AND YOUR READ SPACE IN YOUR RENTING SPACE OUT TO A GENERAL USER.
THE BASIS FOR PROHIBITION IN THIS USE IS THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACTS FROM UNDERSTOOD.
SO IF THEY, IF AN EXISTING DATA DOESN'T HAVE THESE PROBLEMS, THAT ARGUABLY EASIER USE S TO PERMIT IT.
BECAUSE AGAIN, THE FOCUS OF IT HERE, WHEREAS, UH, CHALLENGES RELATED TO ELECTRIC CONSUMPTION, NOISE, AIR QUALITY, WATER USE, USE NOISE POLLUTION.
SO IF THAT'S NOT, BUT I'M TALKING ABOUT THIS ORDINANCE, UH, AND, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC, UH, USAGE AS WELL.
I MEAN, IF, IF THAT'S THE TYPE OF COUNCIL'S CONCERNED ABOUT, IS THIS EXPRESSION THEN, THEN THAT, THEN THAT WOULD COVER, UM, THE, THE ISSUE FOR THE, FOR THE BOARD TONIGHT IS YOU CONSISTENCIES WITH THIS ORDINANCE AND YOU COULD, AND, AND YOU'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH A FORM OF RESOLUTION FROM THE TOWNSHIP AS WELL THAT SAYS, WE HAVEN'T FOUND INCONSISTENCIES BETWEEN THIS ORDINANCE.
SO YOU COULD APPROVE THIS OR MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO COUNSEL TO SAY, THIS ORDINANCE IN PARTICULAR IS NOT INCONSISTENT.
SO THIS JUST MAKES, YOU KNOW, CERTAIN CIRCUMSTANCES REALLY NOT PERMITTED, ELIMINATING ANY DOUBT.
IF COUNCIL WANTS TO GO FORWARD WITH ANOTHER WITNESS TO TRY TO SAY, MAKE IT EASIER FOR CERTAIN TYPES OF DATA CENTERS, CLEAR THAT THIS DOESN'T OF DATA CENTER, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SCOTT OR OTHERS THAT DON'T HAVE THE WATER IMPACTS.
THIS, THIS WARNING IS VERY CONCERNED ABOUT USAGE AND THEN OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW, ELECTRIC DRAW AND, AND, UH, NOISE.
THEN YOU WOULD THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, COUNCIL, THEY CAN DO THAT SEPARATELY.
AND WHEN THEY DO THAT, THAT'LL COME.
JUST SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF COUNSELS, I BELIEVE THAT WAS THE UNDERSTANDING THAT SURE, IT WAS BETTER TO PUT A BLANKET COVER ON IT AND THEN CHIP AWAY AT WHAT FELT APPROPRIATE.
BUT IF THERE'S EXISTING USES THAT YOU FEEL COULD BE JEOPARDIZED WELL, YEAH, IT'S, IT'S JUST NOT, IT'S NOT ME.
I JUST WANTED TO BRING THE POINT UP ACROSS THE BOARD.
THIS IS, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT HAS, IS A HOT BUTTON ISSUE.
AND, AND I AGREE WITH COUNSEL, UM, AND, AND YOURSELVES.
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THE IDEA BEHIND IT AND WHAT WAS GOING ON AND WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH ALREADY IN THE STATE WAS NOT MY AGENDA TO TRY AND UPROOT THAT OR DE DENY OR DELAY THIS.IT WAS JUST, HEY, THERE ARE OTHER THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING IN THIS SPACE THAT IF WE DO A BLANKET STATEMENT, LET'S FIGURE OUT A WAY TO, YOU KNOW, POTENTIALLY ALLOW SOME OF THIS FOR FUTURE BUSINESS SPECIFICALLY IN, IN THE TOWNSHIP.
SO, SO WHAT COMPELS COUNCIL TO BASICALLY SHARPEN THIS UP, IF WE APPROVE THIS, I MEAN, OUR CONCERNS ABOUT IT BEING BLANKET FOR ALL DATA CENTERS OUTSIDE THE FACT OF PETE, SOMEBODY CAN ASK FOR VARIANCE.
I MEAN, WHY WOULD COUNCIL DO THAT? I MEAN, 'CAUSE WE GIVE THEM A RECOMMENDATION AS, AS PART OF OUR APPROVAL OF THIS CENTERS HAVE THE IMPACTS THAT THIS ORDINANCE IS CONCERNED THAT YOU'RE REALLY CONCERNED ABOUT HUGE DRAWS ON.
WELL, SO, SO WHAT'S THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION THAT THEY FILED FOR VARIANCE OR THAT TOWNSHIP? WELL, IT ALSO COULD COME BACK LATER AND SAY, IF YOUR DATA CENTER, THIS DOESN'T HAVE WELL, THAT'S WHAT I'M ASKING.
WHAT, WHAT WOULD COMPEL YOU GUYS TO DO THAT? I MEAN, YOU GUYS DON'T COUNSEL.
WILL YOU PROVE THIS? WOULD YOU COME BACK AFTER THIS IS APPROVED AND SAY, OH, WE WANT TO CREATE AN ADDENDUM OR ANOTHER ORDINANCES SAYING IF YOU ARE UNDER 50,000 SQUARE FEET OR 15,000 SQUARE FEET AND YOU REPRESENTED AS A DATA CENTER, UH, YEAH, THAT'S ALLOWED.
I I IT WAS EVEN, AND THIS CAME UP LAST NIGHT.
OUR, OUR, OUR INTENTION WAS TO PUT A BLANKET LIMIT ON ALL DATA CENTERS AND THEN WORK THROUGH TECHNOLOGY AND TIME TO, TO SEE WHAT'S APPROPRIATE AT, YOU KNOW, AS WE ADVANCE.
SO THEN WHAT COUNTS WOULD'VE TO PASS RESOLUTION AFTER RESOLUTION? AMEND THE ORDINANCE? IT WOULD BE AMENDED.
DEPENDING ON WHAT'S GOING ON AT THE TIME.
AND WHO PRESENT, BUT IT STILL WOULD ALWAYS NEED TO GO THROUGH ZONING ANYWAY.
I, AND I DON'T WANNA SPEAK FOR ALL OF COUNCIL, BUT I'M VERY OPEN TO A COMMITTEE OF, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS AND NOT ONLY OF THIS BOARD, BUT OF THE COMMUNITY THAT HAVE KNOWLEDGE OF, YOU KNOW, ADVANCING TECHNOLOGIES.
THEN IT CAN KIND OF GIVE US THAT HEADS UP, HEY, THERE, THERE ARE AIR COOL DATA CENTERS.
THERE ARE ONES THAT DON'T HAVE THE SAME NOISE ISSUES THAT WE'RE HEARING.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, AS TECHNOLOGY EVOLVES, YOU KNOW, AMENDING THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW FOR THOSE MORE HUMANE USES OF, OF DATA CENTERS, I THINK IS GOING TO, COULD BE GREAT FOR OUR TOWN.
SO WE'RE NOT, WE'RE GONNA TABLE IT.
NO, I THINK TO TONY'S POINT, I THINK, AS I SAID BEFORE, YEAH, I, I DON'T FIND THAT THERE'S, AFTER WE'RE REVIEWING THE 2017 REEXAMINATION REPORT AND THE OTHER DOCUMENTS, THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS ORDINANCE THAT IS INCONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
SO I THINK THE BOARD CAN MAKE THAT FINDING.
AND UNDER THE LAND USE LAW AND REFERRAL, THE PLANNING BOARD CAN MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS BACK TO THE GOVERNING BODY.
AND THAT, THAT RECOMMENDATION COULD BE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, YOU MAY WANT TO CONSIDER CREATING DIFFERENT DISTINCTIONS OF DIFFERENT TYPES OF DATA CENTERS THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE AT SOME POINT IN THE FUTURE, IF ETHICS COUNSEL HAS GIVEN US A FORM RESOLUTION THAT SAYS STOP.
THERE'S NO FOR RECOMMENDATIONS BEFORE TONIGHT IS SOLUTION.
YOU HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED INCONSISTENCIES.
SO THAT IS THE MATTER RIGHT NOW.
IMP SO YOU WANT US TO MAKE A MOTION? I GUESS IT'S UP TO US TO WHETHER, WHETHER WE WANT THAT'S, THAT'S THE ISSUE FOR THE COURT TONIGHT.
DOES ANYBODY HAVE ANY THOUGHTS?
SO, YOU KNOW, THERE'S, THERE'S NO INCONSISTENCIES AS STATED BY BOTH SCOTT AND TONY.
SO THERE'S NO REASON TO NOT PASS IT AS LONG AS, YOU KNOW, WE CAN, WE CAN HAVE A FOLLOW UP LETTER OR WHATEVER THAT LOOKS LIKE.
IF COUNSEL COMES BACK WITH SOMETHING DIFFERENT IN THE FUTURE, WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK HERE.
IT COMES, WOULD BE INCUMBENT UPON US TO GIVE COUNSEL A REPORT SURE.
IF, IF, IF, IF THAT'S WHAT THE BOARD, THE PLANNING BOARD'S SAYING IS, IS THAT YOU WANT TO, YOU WANT TO FORM A, A SUBCOMMITTEE AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IT'S SUPPORTED BY, BY COUNCIL, WE COULD, WE COULD DEVELOP A REPORT AND, AND DELIVER THAT REPORT TO COUNCIL AS A RECOMMENDATION TO AMEND TO THE ORDINANCE.
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OKAY.I LIKE THAT IDEA IN A WAY BECAUSE I, I UNDERSTAND THAT THIS IS NOT IN CONFLICT WITH THE MASTER PLAN AND I LIKE THE MASTER PLAN AND, YOU KNOW, I WISH WE COULD STICK TO A LOT MORE, BUT AT THE SAME TIME, SAY YOU CAN ALWAYS APPLY FOR A VARIANCE.
WELL, FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THAT'S A PAIN IN THE PIE.
YOU KNOW, WHY, WHY ALWAYS ASK FOR A VARIANCE? I MEAN, ZONING'S PRETTY STRICT.
SO IF, IF YOU CAN HAVE A COMMITTEE THAT CAN REALLY DEFINE, YOU KNOW, WHAT, WHAT WE OBJECT TO AS FAR AS A DATA CENTER.
I, I THINK IT BENEFITS THE PUBLIC MORE.
UM, I MEAN, GOD KNOWS YOU GOTTA PUT A LOT OF, A LOT OF MONEY INTO GETTING VARIANTS.
AND ESPECIALLY FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, AND THESE SMALLER DATA CENTERS THAT YOU MIGHT BE TALKING ABOUT THAT MIGHT POSSIBLY EXIST OR MIGHT BE COMPATIBLE WITH THE COMMUNITY, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE IF YOU, THEY GOTTA PUT TOO MUCH MONEY INTO JUST GAINING PERMISSION, YOU KNOW, TO CREATE THAT SPACE WITHIN AN EXISTING BUILDING.
YOU KNOW WHAT I'M SAYING? UM, I, I THINK IT'S SOMETHING TO CONSIDER IF, IF WE CAN MAKE A RECOMMENDATION TO COUNCIL I, I'D, I'D BE MORE INCLINED TO DO THAT.
BUT I THINK THAT WOULD PROBABLY BE A COMMITTEE.
SO, I MEAN, THAT'S A DIFFERENT, THAT'S A DIFFERENT VISION THOUGH.
THIS, JUST LOOK AT THIS RESOLUTION.
SO BASICALLY AT THIS POINT I HAVE, IT'S DO I WANT TO, DOES SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE OBJECT AND MAKE RECOMMENDATIONS IN THE FUTURE? THAT'S SOMETHING, RIGHT.
SO NOW I HAVE TO ASK IF SOMEONE MAKES, WANTS TO MAKE A MOTION ON THIS APPLICATION.
AM I NOBODY, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO DECLINE? I JUST SAID A MOTION.
CAN WE, CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO DECLINE IT? IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S UP IN THE AIR.
YOU, YOU CAN AND I I THAT RIGHT.
SOMEONE CAN MAKE A MOTION TO DECLINE IT.
A MOTION AGAIN, TO DECLINE THIS APPLICATION.
I THINK THAT THE MOTION BEFORE US IS EITHER TO APPROVE OR NOT APPROVE ORDINANCES.
WE'RE NOT APPROVING AN ORDINANCE.
WE'RE MAKING FINDINGS THAT IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN.
WELL THAT WOULD BE THE MOTION.
AND IT IS IN, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING IN IT THAT IS INCONSISTENT.
SO THEN THAT WOULD BE, THAT'S ALL IT SAYS BY NOW.
THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED, YOU SAID RIGHT NOW RIGHT.
YOU'RE BEING ASKED TO APPROVE A RESOLUTION SAYS NOT ALLOWED ANYWAY, BECAUSE IT'S NOT IN THE MASTER PLAN.
AND OUR MASTER PLAN SAYS, RIGHT.
SO, SO THERE WOULD BE A MOTION TO FIND THAT IT'S NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN, RIGHT.
THAT IT'S APPROVED OR NOT THAT IT'S OKAY.
THE RESOLUTION SAYS, YEAH, I SEE.
IF YOU APPROVE IT, THE BOARD FINDS THE ORDINANCE IS NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONFORMANCE, WITH THE TOWNSHIP MASTER PLAN.
AND THE BOARD AUTHORIZES DIRECTS THE CHAIRMAN BOARD SECRETARY TO SIGN ANYTHING THAT NEEDS TO BE SIGNED IN ORDER TO MOVE THIS OVER.
SO WE CAN MAKE THAT MOTION AND THEN HOPEFULLY THE COUNCIL WILL TRY TO IMPROVE UPON THE RESOLUTION.
SO DO I HAVE A, UM, MOTION TO YEAH, YOU GOOD WITH THAT? DOWN.
APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION THAT IT'S ABSOLUTELY NOT INCONSISTENT WITH THE CONFORMANCE, WITH THE I MADE THAT MOTION.
UM, SO AS FAR AS THE, THE PART B OF ALL THIS, THE RECOMMENDATION FROM THE PLANNING BOARD THROUGH SOME FORM OF SUBCOMMITTEE, HOW DOES THAT RECOMMENDATION, HOW DOES THAT PROCESS START? I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT THE ORDINANCE.
I, WE PROBABLY HAVE THE ABILITY TO DO THAT ON OUR OWN.
I'M SURE WE HAVE THAT ABILITY UNDER THE MLUL.
I'D HAVE TO LOOK AT EXACTLY WHAT THE MECHANISM IS.
BUT IT STARTS WITH DEVELOPING FACTS AND RECOMMENDATION.
YOU'LL GET ADVICE FROM SCOTT, MAYBE A, A REPORT FROM SCOTT IS PROBABLY A GOOD IDEA.
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AND YOU COULD, AND YOU COULD ENDORSE THAT AND THEN SEND IT OFF TO COUNCIL.AND I KNOW THAT WHEN THERE WAS A SIGNED SUBCOMMITTEE SET UP SEVERAL YEARS AGO, AND IT WAS TWO MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, TWO MEMBERS OF THE PLANNING BOARD, THAT'S BEEN DONE WITH SOME REDEVELOPMENT PROJECTS AND SOME OTHER THINGS.
SO THERE'S A LITTLE BIT OF REPRESENTATION, SOME FACT FINDING.
SO WHATEVER THAT MECHANISM IS, MAYBE THAT THAT CAN BE DONE.
UM, AND THAT WAY BOTH GROUPS ARE SORT OF GROWING THE SAME DIRECTION, UM, AND GET ON THE SAME PAGE THAT WAY.
AND IF THAT ISSUE IS ECNO DEVELOPMENT TO ALLOW SMALL DATA CENTERS AND WHATEVER THOSE COSTS AND THRESHOLDS ARE, WE'RE ALL ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN SOMETHING DOES FINALLY, UH, MOVE FORWARD INTO ORDER FORM.
YEAH, THAT SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY TO JUST KEEP REFINING THIS.
NOT IN, I DON'T KNOW THE NEXT ITERATION, BUT MANY MORE.
SO MAYBE AN EMAIL OR A LETTER FROM THE BOARD RECOMMENDING TO COUNCIL THAT A SMALL SUBCOMMITTEE BE SET UP TO, TO FURTHER ADDRESS THIS ISSUE AND THEN THE MANAGER WILL, COUNCIL ATTORNEY CAN FIGURE OUT WHAT THAT MECHANISM IS.
WOULD THAT BE MR. JULIANO? DO THAT TO COUNCIL OR I CAN DO IT.
I KNEW, I KNEW YOU WERE COMING THROUGH
[8. Applications a. Medford Cemetery Association, Inc., 17 Fostertown Road, 302/39.01 & 39.06, SPR-5787 – seeking Preliminary and Final Site Plan approval, Conditional Use approval and Bulk Variances for the expansion of the cemetery. ]
IS APPLICATION MEDFORD CEMETERY ASSOCIATES, UH, 17 FOSTER TOWN ROADS SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL AND BULK BEARINGS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SIM.DO WE NEED, UH, BEFORE YOU GO, DO WE NEED TO SHARE AND ANYONE, UH, SWEAR IN ANYONE WHO'S GONNA TESTIFY? DO YOU WANNA DO THAT? TOM CAN INTRODUCE HIMSELF, YEAH.
AND GIVE US A LITTLE INTRO AND THEN WE CAN SWEAR PEOPLE IN.
I'M A ATTORNEY REPRESENTING MEDFORD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION, WHICH IS THE APPLICANT BEFORE YOU.
THIS IS FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF, UH, A PROPERTY, UH, TAX MAP BLOCK 3 0 2, LOT 3 9 0 6.
UH, THAT LOT WILL BE, UH, UH, EXP UH, PART OF AN EXPANSION OF, OF THE EXISTING CEMETERY, WHICH IS ON THE ADJACENT LOT 39.01, UH, PARKVIEW CEMETERY.
SO PART OF THE APPLICATION IS TO CONSOLIDATE THE TWO LOTS, ASSUMING THIS IS APPROVED.
UH, SO TO MAKE IT PART OF PARKVIEW CEMETERY, THE APPLICATION WILL BE PRESENTED BY WAY OF TESTIMONY OF JOHN CORNICK, PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER REGARDING THE SITE PLAN AND THE DESIGN.
AND MR. EARL STAHL, WHO IS THE PRESIDENT TRUST AND A TRUSTEE OF MEDFORD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION WILL TESTIFY REGARDING THE NEED FOR THE, THIS TYPE OF, UH, FACILITY AND HOW IT IS OPERATED.
IT'S A CONDITIONAL USE APPLICATION SINCE CEMETERIES ARE PERMIT A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
AND WE'RE SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL, BULK VARIANCES REGARDING BUFFERING, OUTDOOR SOIL, SOIL STORAGE, AND ROOF, ROOF PITCH IN CERTAIN DESIGN WAIVERS.
UM, WITH THAT, I, I CAN CALL FOR THE TWO WITNESSES TO BE SWORN IN AND THEN WE'LL ASK FOR THE TESTIMONY OF, UH, MR. CORNICK.
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD GET TO THE MIC.
K-O-R-N-I-C-K EARL STAHL, S-T-A-H-L.
AND EACH OF YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
WE'RE GONNA HAND OUT SOME EXHIBITS.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE QUALIFIED.
I MEAN, I JUST MENTIONED CLASSES.
ARE THEY PART OF THE APPLICATION? THEY'RE NOT.
HOW MANY DO YOU HAVE? HONOR, UH, RENDER RATE ENGINEERING RIGHT THERE.
JUST START, YEAH, START WITH A ONE, TWO, WORK YOU DOWN.
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NEVERMIND.NOW I NEED MY OTHER, UH, MR. CHAIRMAN.
UH, IS IT, UH, I GUESS I SHOULD QUALIFY MR. CORNICK, UH, EVEN THOUGH HE'S APPEARED BEFORE THIS BOARD MANY TIMES, BUT YOU WANT TO STATE YOUR QUALIFICATIONS AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER? UH, SURE.
AGAIN, MY NAME'S JOHN CORNICK.
WE HAVE OFFICES IN HATFIELD, NEW JERSEY.
I AM THE PRINCIPAL AND OWNER OF K TWO CONSULTING ENGINEERS.
I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, UH, BOTH LICENSES AND GOOD STANDING.
I'VE BEEN BEFORE THIS BOARD A A FEW TIMES, UH, BOARDS FROM CAPE MAY COUNTY ALL THE WAY UP TO HUDSON COUNTY, ATLANTIC COUNTY OVER TO STER COUNTY.
ALL THE WHOLE STATE, ROUGHLY 122 BOARDS I'VE BEEN BEFORE IN MY CAREER SO FAR.
UM, I GO THROUGH MY ENGINEERING EDUCATION AND ALL.
THAT'S PROBABLY ANY QUESTIONS? ANY QUESTIONS WE SHOULD BE? UM, AND JUST JOHN, CONFIRMING YOU'LL BE AN ENGINEER THIS EVENING OR A PLANNER OR BOTH? BOTH.
SO QUALIFIED TO TESTIFY AS PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER AND AS A PLANNER.
ANY WITH NO OBJECTIONS FROM ANYONE YOU ARE QUALIFIED.
UH, AGAIN, AS, AS THA HAS INDICATED, WE'RE HERE FOR AN APPLICATION FOR THE EXPANSION OF AN EXISTING CEMETERY, WHICH IS A CONDITIONAL USE IN THE PLANNED INDUSTRIAL ZONE.
UH, THE EXISTING CEMETERY IS KNOWN AS, UH, 25.
FOSTER TOWN ROAD IS BLOCK 3 0 2 LOT 39.01.
THAT CEMETERY IN MAUSOLEUM AND INFRASTRUCTURE WAS APPROVED BY THIS BOARD IN, IN CIRCA 2007, 2008.
UH, BUILT ROUGHLY IN 2009 AND 10.
UH, AND IT'S BEEN ESTABLISHED CEMETERY AND COMMUNITY FOR, FOR SOME TIME.
FOSTER TOWN ROAD IS A VACANT PIECE OF LAND, UH, THAT IS SUBJECT OF OUR EXPANSION.
UH, THE PURPOSE OF THE MERGER IS SO THAT WE MEET THE INTENT OF THE CONDITIONAL USE.
SO IN THE PI ZONE, CEMETERIES ARE PERMITTED, BUT ON EIGHT ACRES OR MORE.
UH, SO THEREFORE THAT'S WHY WE'RE PROPOSING A LOT CONSOLIDATION OF 39.06 AND 39.01 AS PART OF THE APPLICATION IN A ONE.
THIS IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN.
UH, IT'S A COLORED RENDERING OF THE SITE PLAN OF RECORD.
UH, IT SHOWS BOTH 39.06 AND 39.01.
UM, I CAN GIVE YOU GENERAL ORIENTATION, BUT THAT'S PART OF YOUR PACKET.
AND WE'RE IDENTIFYING THIS AS EXHIBIT A ONE.
UH, NORTH IS TO THE RIGHT OF THE PAGE, THAT IS TO THE LEFT.
EAST IS TO THE BOTTOM OF THE, BOTH PROPERTIES ARE FUNDED BY FOSTER TOWN ROAD.
MUST ED, ARE YOU HERE, JOHN? YEAH, I'M LISTENING.
IF YOU'RE WITHIN FIVE FEET SHOULD BE GOOD.
UM, AND, AND THE ZONING BOARD HAD PREVIOUSLY APPROVED AN EXPANSION OF THE MEDFORD CEMETERY ASSOCIATION ONTO, UH, LOT 28.01, BUT THAT STILL REMAINS AS A PIECE OF FARMLAND AND IT'S FARMED IN, IN THE CURRENT CONDITION WITH NO FUTURE PLANS AND IMMEDIATE OF AN EXPANSION.
AND INTO THE SOUTH AND WEST, YOU, UH, ARE PART OF THE KIRBY'S MILL, UH, REDEVELOPMENT ZONE.
SO THAT'S PART OF YOUR FAIR HOUSING PROJECT AND PROGRAM.
UH, WITH THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, TO THAT LOCATION, TO THE SOUTH, AN EXISTING INDUSTRIAL BUILDING HAS HAD LIFE OF DIFFERENT USES THROUGH TIME AND IS CURRENTLY UTILIZED AS THE INDUSTRIAL, UH, BUILDING.
UH, TO THE EAST, YOU HAVE THE EXISTING SOLAR FIELD THAT'S A GROUND MOUNTAIN SOLAR FIELD THAT IS SUPPLYING ALTERNATIVE ENERGY TO THE WASTEWATER TREATMENT PLANT.
AND THEN AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO, UH, ESSENTIALLY TO DIRECTLY TO THE EAST IS YOUR, UH, COMMUNITY WASTE VERSION.
SO, UH, DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO THE NORTH OF, UH, THE EXISTING CEMETERY MAUSOLEUM STRUCTURE AND BUILDING, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY.
UH, AND DIRECTLY TO, UH, THE EAST OF THAT, WE HAVE TWO RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES SITTING ON INDIVIDUAL BOX.
UM, SO THAT GIVES YOU KIND OF THE OVERALL, UH, LOCATION AND, AND WHAT WE HAVE AROUND US, BOTH IN THE PI ZONE DISTRICT AND THEN IN THE, UM, AR ZONING DISTRICT, WHICH IS THE ZONING DISTRICT ADJACENT TO US AND TO THE, TO THE WEST.
AND THE EXISTING CONDITION ON THE EXISTING CEMETERY, WE HAVE ONE, UH, 24 FOOT WIDE ACCESS POINT THAT IS A FULL SERVICE ACCESS POINT FOR THE OVERALL CEMETERY THAT IS TYPICALLY DATED.
AND THAT'S G FROM SUNRISE TO SUNSET.
THAT IS THE TYPICAL OPERATING HOURS OF, OF THE CEMETERY.
AND THEN THERE'S A SERVICE ENTRANCE ON THE NORTHERN SIDE OF THAT PROPERTY.
THAT SERVICE ENTRANCE IS FOR, UH, DELIVERIES, UH, FOR DELIVERIES OF, UM, BODIES AND,
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AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE ASSOCIATED WITH PREMATURE.AND, AND WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING IS, IS THE EXPANSION OF THE SANITARY PLOTS, UH, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ACROSS ACCESS AND PARKING.
UH, THAT WILL HOST A, UH, ULA, UH, CARETAKERS, UH, RESIDENTIAL WELDING UNIT.
AND THEN GENERAL OPEN, UH, GARAGE SPACE FOR STORAGE OF INFRASTRUCTURE AND MATERIALS, UH, GENERAL, UM, YARD MAINTENANCE, MACHINERY, STUFF OF THAT NATURE.
UH, AND THEN TO THE WEST OF THAT BUILDING, WE'RE GONNA HAVE AN AREA FOR ACCESS TO THAT BUILDING.
AND THEN PART OF THE APPLICATION BARRING IS AN OUTDOOR CONTROLLED STORAGE OF, UM, THE, THE OVERBURDENED OF THE MATERIAL FROM THEN GRAVE OR, UH, BELLY AL EXTRA SOIL THAT'S THERE.
UM, ALSO PART OF OUR APPLICATION IS A, UH, INDEPENDENT STAND OF CRIPS.
THE CRIPS ARE, UH, ESSENTIALLY BUILDINGS THEMSELVES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CLOSE OF, UM, UH, BODIES AND, AND OTHER SUCH, BUT THEY'RE EXTERIOR TO THE OVERALL BUILDING.
UH, AND THEN OUR MAJOR, UH, COMPONENT IS OUR STORM BOARD MANAGEMENT ON THE WEST SIDE.
AND WE'RE UTILIZING THE EXISTING SHARED DRIVEWAY ACCESS.
UH, SO AGAIN, THE APPLICATION HERE BEFORE THE BOARD IS FOR A CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
AND THEN THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING CEMETERY ON THE LOT 39.06.
WITH THE BUILDINGS, UH, THE CRIPS AND THE INFRASTRUCTURE AS AS DEFINED, UH, WE DO SEEK BULK VARIANCE RELIEF ASSOCIATED WITH BUFFERING.
SO IN YOUR ORDINANCE, UH, OUTSIDE OF THE CONDITIONAL USE, WE'RE REQUIRED TO PROVIDE A 25 FOOT, UH, BUFFER TO RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
AR IS CONSIDERED RESIDENTIAL AND OBVIOUSLY WITH YOUR FUTURE PLAN OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA, WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES COMING IN THE SOUTHWEST CORRIDOR OF, OF THAT PROPOSAL.
UH, WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR VARIANCE RELIEF FOR OUTDOOR, OUTDOOR SOIL STORAGE.
AND WE WANT TO KIND OF ADD TO THAT APPLICATION 'CAUSE THE ORDINANCE WITHIN THE COMMUNITY DOESN'T PERMIT US TO TAKE THE SOIL OFF THE SITE, BELIEVE IT OR NOT.
UH, SO WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF TO ALLOW THAT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE ONCE THE SOIL'S REMOVED FROM, UH, THE GRAVE, THERE'S NOWHERE ELSE TO PUT IT.
SO, UH, THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING, UH, A REQUEST A RELIEF TO REMOVE THAT SOIL.
AND THEN WE'RE ALSO ASKING FROM AN ARCHITECTURAL STANDPOINT, RELIEF FROM YOUR ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENTS IN THE ARCHITECTURAL REVIEW WHERE WE'RE ASKING FOR A FOUR TO 12 PITCH WHERE FIVE TO 12 IS REQUIRED.
AND THAT'S MERELY A FUNCTION OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING.
UH, I THINK THAT MR. STALL WILL COME UP AND DESCRIBE THE ARCHITECTURAL, BUT WITH THE CUPOLA IN IMPROVEMENTS AND THE EXTERIOR IMPROVEMENTS THAT HE'S PROPOSING, I THINK THAT WE'LL BE ABLE TO, UH, CONVINCE THE BOARD THAT THAT FORD 12 PITCH IS AN APPROPRIATE FOR THAT TYPE OF, UH, DESIGN AND STRUCTURE.
WE'RE ALSO ASKING FOR DESIGN WAIVERS AND RELIEF ASSOCIATED WITH LANDSCAPING AND SOME OTHER, UH, SITE IMPROVEMENTS.
UM, SO AGAIN, WITH REGARDS TO THE CONDITIONAL USE IN THE PI ZONE, THE CRITICAL SIDE OF, OF THE CONDITIONAL USE IS, IS THE ACREAGE.
SO WHEN WE MERGE THE TWO LOTS, WE ARE PROPOSING A LOT CONSOLIDATION TO 11.95 ACRES.
SO THEREFORE, UH, WE EXCEED THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT AND THE APPLICATION FULLY SATISFIES THAT STANDARD.
UH, THE OPERATIONS OF THE FACILITY ARE GONNA BE SAME AS HAS BEEN REPRESENTED IN PRIOR APPLICATIONS FOR THE OVERALL CEMETERY.
SO AGAIN, SUNRISE TO SUNSET GATES ARE CLOSED.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO SOME OF THE, THE DISCUSSIONS IN THE ENGINEERING AND PLANNING REVIEWS, UH, IF WE HAVE INCLEMENT WEATHER, WEATHER AND WE ARE CONNECTED TO, UH, THE MUNICIPALITY'S SANITARY SEWER SYSTEMS, UM, MR. NOEL'S CONCERN WAS WHETHER OR NOT OUR PUMP STATION WOULD BE SET SATISFIED WITH A A GENERATOR.
WE'RE NOT PROPOSING THAT, BUT WE'LL WORK WITH HIS OFFICE AND DISCUSS WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE ENOUGH STORAGE IN OUR WET WELL FOR A DAY'S WORTH OF SEWAGE FLOW GENERATED.
UH, BUT GENERALLY, IF WE HAVE THOSE CONDITIONS, THE CEMETERY'S GONNA BE CLOSED, THE FACILITIES ARE CLOSED, NOBODY'S GONNA BE THERE, UM, DISCUSSION WITH HARMONY OR, OR, OR HOW WE MERGE OR, OR MARRY WITHIN THE COMMUNITY AND WITHIN THE ZONE.
UH, THE CEMETERY OPERATIONS IN THE PI ZONE ARE PROBABLY ONE OF THE MOST BENIGN AND LESS INTENSE USES THAT YOU COULD HAVE.
UH, SO WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT WE HAVE TRAFFIC IMPACTS OR, UH, NOISE IMPACTS, OPERATIONS, UH, IMPACTS AFTER HOURS, UH, I BELIEVE THAT WE ARE PROPOSING SOMETHING THAT A, THE MASTER PLAN, UH, CONTEMPLATES, AND B, THAT WE ARE CONDITIONAL USE AND WE'RE MEETING ALL THOSE STANDARDS.
UM, SO TRAFFIC GENERATION, THERE WAS A, UH, RAHI REPORT PREPARED BY NATHAN MOSLEY THAT WAS SUBMITTED AS PART OF OUR APPLICATION.
UH, AND, AND QUICK SUMMARY, IF, IF YOU DON'T
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MIND ME ENTERING THAT IN AS, AS A DISCUSSION.THAT'S PART OF THE APPLICATION'S, PART OF THE APPLICATION.
IT'S A LETTER DATED MARCH 30TH, 2026.
IT'S ESSENTIALLY A TRAFFIC ANALYSIS LETTER WITH REGARDS TO THE CEMETERY EXPANSION.
IT RUNS THROUGH HIS, UH, ANALYSIS OF THE EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UH, THEN HE RUNS THROUGH THE EXPANSION OF THAT.
AND ESSENTIALLY THE CONCLUSION IS THAT, UH, THE OPINION IS THAT ANY POTENTIAL TRAFFIC TO BE GENERATED BY THE PROPOSED 10,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, AND AGAIN, I SAY 9,500 SQUARE FEET, THAT'S WALL TO WALL.
THERE'S A 500 SQUARE FOOT FRONT PORCH FOR ENTRY COVERED TO GET IT TO 10,000 FEET.
UH, HE SAYS THAT MINIMAL DURING, UM, ANCILLARY BUILDING WILL BE MINIMAL DURING PEAK HOUR CONDITIONS AND ANCILLARY TO THE EXISTING CEMETERY OPERATIONS.
UH, AND HIS OPINION IS THAT THE EXISTING DRIVEWAYS PROPOSED INTERNAL ROADS CAN OPERATE SAFELY AND EFFICIENTLY FOR FUTURE PROPOSED BUILDINGS EXPANSION.
SO, UM, ESSENTIALLY NO IMPACT AS A RESULT FROM A TRAFFIC PERSPECTIVE.
AGAIN, MASTER PLAN CONSISTENCY.
THE PROPOSED WILL ADVANCES SEVERAL MASTER PLAN OBJECTIVES, UM, PRESERVATION OF OPEN SPACE AND CHARACTER.
UH, WE'RE NOT TAKING THE INDUSTRIAL ZONE AND, AND SMACKING IN, UH, UH, A BUILDING.
SO WE DO HAVE, UH, SIGNIFICANT OPEN SPACE AS A PROPOSAL, ALBEIT GREAT PLOTS, BUT IT IS GRASS.
AND IF EVERYBODY'S FAMILIAR WITH MR. STALLS CURRENT OPERATIONS, HE KEEPS THAT AND MAINTAINS IT IN A VERY, UH, NICE CONDITION.
UH, IT'S A PROVISION FOR COMMUNITY SERVICES, UH, IN ORDERLY DEVELOPMENT, UM, AND EXPANSION OF EXISTING FACILITIES.
UH, AND AGAIN, I I I FIND THAT IT'S A LIMITATION OF INTENSIVE INDUSTRIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S CONTEMPLATED IN THE PI ZONE AND COMMITTED IN THE PI ZONE.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, STORM WATER.
SO WE ARE MEETING THE MINIMUM STANDARDS CURRENT TO THE NEW JERSEY STATE'S, UH, DEP REGULATIONS.
UH, SO WHAT YOU DO SEE ON THE WESTERLY SIDE OF THE PROPERTY IS A, UH, SAND BASE AND BOTTOM, UH, THAT IS PART OF THE REQUIREMENTS, UH, WHERE WE HAVE TO NOT ONLY TREAT FOR WATER QUALITY, WHICH OBVIOUSLY ME'S CONCERN ABOUT, UH, QUALITY OF WATER.
UH, WE DO WATER QUALITY, WATER QUANTITY, GROUNDWATER RECHARGE, UH, AND ALL THOSE REQUIREMENTS, UH, ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH REGULATION.
AND I THINK MR. KNOW'S, UH, LETTER AGREES WITH THAT AS WELL.
ARE YOU SATISFIED, CHRIS, ON THE SUBMISSION WAIVER AS WELL? OH, I'M SORRY.
IT WAS ITEM 43 TALKED ABOUT THIS.
I THINK NOW MIGHT BE A GOOD TIME TO TALK ABOUT THAT.
THERE'S ABOUT, THERE'S, THERE WAS A FEW, BUT THERE'S ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT REQUIRES, THERE'S ONE REQUIRES SOME TESTIMONY.
AND THAT WAS, UH, FROM THE PROJECTED FLOW FROM THIS WA FOR, FOR THIS WAIVER TO BE RE RECOMMENDED.
THAT WAS A WAIVER FROM A, UH, MUNICIPAL SERVICES UTILITIES IMPACT STATEMENT.
AND I BELIEVE, UH, MR. CORNICK HAS ADDRESSED THAT.
BUT, UM, WITH REGARDS TO INTERNAL CIRCULATION AND THAT GIVES THAT RELIEF WITH REGARDS TO THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY AND ACCESS POINTS, UH, WE ARE PROPOSING INTERNAL CONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO PROPERTIES, WHICH WILL BE MERGED INTO ONE LOCATED IN THE, UH, WESTERLY CORRIDOR, AN EXTENSION OF THE EXISTING ROADWAY NETWORK.
SO, UH, THOSE ARE BEING INTERCONNECTED AS A RESULT.
UM, AGAIN, HOURS OF OPERATIONS, SUN RISE TO SUNSET.
UH, TRASH SERVICES ARE TYPICALLY MANAGED BY THE OPERATOR.
UH, THOSE ARE PULLED OUT TO THE CURB STANDARD, UH, COMMERCIAL OPERATIONS AND HAVE BEEN THE OPERATIONS, UH, SINCE THE START OF THE CURRENT METFORD CEMETERY.
SO TYPICAL DELIVERIES WILL BE, UH, FROM A SINGLE UNIT, UH, BASICALLY A FLATBED TRUCK DELIVERING, UH, CASTS OR VAULTS, UH, THAT CURRENTLY IS OPERATED IN THE, UM, NORTHERLY ACCESS POINT ON THE NORTH EAST SIDE OF THE EXISTING, UH,
UH, AGAIN, WITH REGARDS TO THE BUILDING AND THE USE, UH, WE HAVE PROPOSED, UH, SEGREGATED AREAS.
SO THE MUAH IS PREDOMINANTLY A FUNCTION OF, UH, THE BURIAL PRACTICE OF, UH, THE MUSLIM RELIGION.
IT'S NOT A, UH, A MOSQUE, IT'S NOT A A A POINT OF, UH, CONTINUOUS, UH, SERVICE OR, UM, USE LIKE A CHURCH WOULD BE.
IT'S THERE FOR, FOR THE BURIAL PROCESS.
UH, SO THAT'S WHY WE HAVE PROPOSED IT.
IT'S SPECIFICALLY, UH, UH, SEPARATED FROM EVERYTHING AS, AS PART OF THE ION PROCESS.
UH, THE REST OF THE BUILDING AS INDICATED, WE'RE DOING A ONE BEDROOM CARETAKER'S RESIDENCE.
UH, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE EQUIPMENT STORAGE, UH, AND SUPPORTIVE TASKS FOR, FOR THE OVERALL PROPERTY.
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UM, WHEN WE START TALKING ABOUT THE VARIANCE RELIEF THAT IS IDENTIFIED IN, IN MR. TAYLOR'S REVIEW IN, IN OUR APPLICATION, UH, ON THE WESTERLY CORRIDOR OF WESLEY BOUND READ, 'CAUSE THAT'S THE DI DELINEATION BETWEEN THE AR ZONING DISTRICT AND THE PI ZONING DISTRICT, UH, WE ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE A 25 FOOT, UH, LANDSCAPE UP AND IN THE EXISTING CONDITION.NOW, THERE ARE 33 EVERGREEN TREES.
THEY WERE PLANTED POST, UH, SUBMISSION OF OUR APPLICATION.
UH, BUT THERE ARE 3,300 GREEN TREES PLANTED RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE ON AN EXISTING FIRM.
UH, AND WE'RE PROPOSING THAT RELIEF AS A RESULT OF THE LAYOUT, UH, AND THE CONTINUATION OF THE ACTUAL CEMETERY AS IT'S SHOWN ON 39.06.
UM, IN 39 0 6, WE, WE WERE GRANTED THAT SAME RELIEF.
UM, AND, UH, WE WERE REQUESTING IT AS SUCH.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE CRIS, AND YOU CAN SEE THIS ON, ON THE, UM, ARCHITECTURAL RENDERING, 39, OH FIRST, THE INITIAL ON 39 39, HE SAID 39, SORRY.
UM, BUT YOU CAN SEE HERE, I'LL CALL IT A THREE.
IT'S, UH, IT'S A, A RENDERING OF THE MUZZLE DAM, UH, THE FACILITIES AND AS IT WAS LOOKED IN THE PROPOSED CONDITION, THE BACK SIDE OF THE CRIPS, UH, ARE JUST A, A BRICK WALL OR ABOVE CONCRETE WALL.
UH, AND WE CAN PAINT THOSE TO MATCH COLORS THAT WHICH YOU'RE SEEING HERE.
UH, AND THEN WITH THAT EVERGREEN COPPER, I THINK IF THAT'S APPROPRIATE AND ADEQUATELY TO GENERATE THAT SCREENING THAT'S INTENDED BY, UH, OUTDOOR SOIL STORAGE.
IT'S NOT A CONDITIONAL USE ASPECT OF, OF THE ZONE, BUT IT'S A, IT'S A GENERAL VARIANCE OF INSIDE OF THE ORDINANCE.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT A ONE, AGAIN, YOU'RE PROPOSING, UH, CONCRETE BLOCK WALLS NEXT TO THE TRASH CLOSURE, UH, THAT YOU SEE TRADITIONAL IN THE LANDSCAPING GUARD.
UH, ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN MR. TAYLOR'S REVIEW IS, WHAT ARE WE GONNA DO WITH AN EXTERIOR FINISH ON THAT? UH, AND SPEAKING WITH THE APPLICANT, HE WOULD PAINT THAT TO MATCH THE COLOR OF THE PROPOSED BUILDING, BUT THE INTENT IS THAT IT'S TO BE ABLE TO HAVE A, A CONTROLLED AREA TO STORE THE OVER SOILS SO THAT IT CAN BE TAKEN OFF SITE AT SOME POINT IN TIME ONCE THAT THAT AREA IS UH, FILLED.
UM, AND THEN THE ROOF PITCH, UH, REQUIRED PITCH IS FIVE 12 PARTY ORDINANCE, WHERE WE'RE PROPOSING A FOUR 12 PITCH.
UM, IN ADDITION TO THE VARIANCE RELIEF, WE'RE ASKING FOR SOME DESIGN WAIVERS, UH, STREET TREES AGAIN, UM, INSTALL PLANTED TREES.
AFTER WE SUBMITTED OUR APPLICATION, WE DID SHOW FOUR STREET TREES ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
HE HAS SEVEN PLANTED CURRENTLY AND, AND THE EXISTING CONDITION OUT THERE, UH, WE'LL WORK WITH MR. TAYLOR TO FIGURE OUT WHETHER OR NOT THOSE STREET TREES FIT WITHIN THE DESIGN AND STORM MANAGEMENT.
UH, AND IF THEY CAN STAY WE'LL, WE'LL BRING THEM ONTO THE PLAN.
UH, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF ON STREET SECTION OF THE LANDSCAPING.
UH, YOUR BUFFER PLANTINGS ARE ALSO A REQUEST.
AND THEN IN GENERAL, YOUR REQUIREMENT FOR, FOR PARKING LOT LANDSCAPING AND BASIN LANDSCAPING, WE'RE ASKING OF THE SAME RELIEF AND THE EXISTING CONDITION.
IF YOU'RE AGAIN FAMILIAR WITH THE SITE, UH, WE LIKE TO HAVE IT OPEN AND GREEN, AND THAT'S ONE OF THE, THE COMPLIMENTS THAT EVERYBODY HAS OF THE FACILITY.
YOU START TO, TO, UH, JAM IT UP WITH, WITH LANDSCAPING, UM, IT BECOMES A, A MAINTENANCE CONCERN AND IT, IT INTERACTS OR IT INTERFERES WITH THE GRAIN PLOTS THAT ARE, ARE OUT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR THAT.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I THINK WE CAN GO THROUGH THE REVIEWS AND THEN GO THROUGH SOME FAIR TESTIMONY IF, IF NEED OR IF YOU WANT TO HEAR MR. STAHL AND THEN DO IT THAT WAY, I THINK WE'RE FINE.
BUT, UH, THAT'S UP TO YOU GUYS.
EARL STAHL, UH, 25 FOSTER TOWN ROAD.
UH, JUST FOR ONE CLARIFICATION, THE CEMETERY EXPANSION WAS APPROVED BY THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, IT TOOK ME ABOUT 25 YEARS TO GET THIS PIECE OF PROPERTY, SO THAT EXPANSION'S GOING TO GO THROUGH IN THE BACK SOONER THAN WHAT WAS ALLUDED TO IN THIS APPLICATION.
UM, SO THAT'S BASICALLY 39 ACRES IN A FEW MORE YEARS.
BUT, UM, MR. NOEL AND I HAVE KNOWN EACH OTHER 39 YEARS.
WE MET WHEN MR. RISI CAME IN WITH, UH, THE BUILDING ON 39 0 5.
AND, UH, IF WE GO INTO THIS PACKAGE RIGHT HERE, UM, SO THE REASON WHY THIS BUILDING IS KIND OF DESIGNED THIS WAY IS, IS WHEN YOU GO INTO,
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WHEN YOU GO INTO THIS ONE, WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AT OUR CURRENT MAUSOLEUM, I SEE A BATTLESHIP OF A BUILDING HERE.OKAY? SO THE REASON THIS BUILDING IS DESIGNED THE WAY IT IS, IS THAT IT'S GONNA BE BUILT WITH PHASES.
SO THE FIRST BUILDING THAT GETS BUILT IS THIS POLE BARN, WHICH IS THE MAINTENANCE STORAGE.
WHY THIS IS REALLY IMPORTANT, THIS IS JUST IN, UH, JANUARY OF THIS YEAR.
SOMEBODY COMES ONTO THE PROPERTY AT EIGHT O'CLOCK AT NIGHT WITH A MASK AND A HAT PARKS A U-HAUL TRUCK ACROSS THE STREET AT THE TOWNSHIP MUNICIPAL OFFICES SEWER PLANT COMES IN AND ROBS A KUBOTA MACHINE, STEALS IT, DRIVES IT OUT THROUGH THE CEMETERY, DRIVES IT IN THE BACK OF THE U-HAUL AND TAKES IT.
WE CAN'T FIND A GUY, WE DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON.
SO I NEED A BUILDING TO HOUSE THE EQUIPMENT.
UM, SO THIS IS THE RIGHT SIDE ELEVATION, WHICH IS THE SIDE OVER HERE.
SO WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT FROM OUR MUZZLE LAMB, YOU'RE GONNA SEE THIS BUILDING FIRST.
WAIT, IS THAT, IS THAT THE SITE THAT FACES THE OLD BALL? UM, BIG LEAGUE DREAMS. YEAH.
SO THIS IS THE BIG LEAGUE DREAMS IS ACTUALLY BEHIND THIS.
SO WHEN YOU'RE STANDING AT THE MOLA, AND IT'S THE FIRST FIRST FACILITY YOU'LL SEE IS THIS WALL.
THIS WALL WILL BE BUILT, THIS BUILDING WILL BE BUILT FIRST AS WE SELL THE OUTDOOR CRIS IN THE INITIAL MAUSOLEUM, WHICH IS NOW ALREADY 35% SOLD.
I HAVE NO MORE OUTDOOR TRIPS AVAILABLE FOR PEOPLE.
THESE CRIS WILL BE BUILT IN THIS FACILITY.
THIS IS THE SIDE FACING BIG LEAGUE DREAMS. GOT IT.
THERE'S A COMMON DRIVE, THIS RENDERING, WE COULDN'T GET THIS GRASS REMOVED.
SO THIS IS ACTUALLY THE DRIVEWAY BETWEEN BIG LEAGUE DREAMS AND THIS WILL BE THE MAINTENANCE SIDE OF THE BUILDING.
UM, WHEN ULTIMATELY IT'S FINISHED, THE CRIP WILL ACTUALLY BE HIDING THE BUILDING, BUT THE INITIAL PHASE OF CONSTRUCTION WILL BE THE BUILDING AND THEN THE CRIPS, AND OF COURSE THE GRADES AND THE DRAINAGE ALL IN ONE SHOT.
AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO CRIPS ON THE SIDE, OTHER SIDE, RIGHT? IT'S JUST THIS SIDE? NO, IT'S JUST, UH, BY ALL BY DCA WE GOTTA HAVE, UH, 15 FOOT OF SEPARATION OR 10 FOOT OF SEPARATION BETWEEN THE FACILITIES.
UM, IT BECAME AN ADMINISTRATIVE NIGHTMARE TO TRY TO INTEGRATE THE CRIPS INTO THE BUILDING AND IT WOULD BE, COST OF CONSTRUCTION WOULD BE JUST ASTRONOMICAL AND IT WOULD DELAY.
I'D HAVE THE POTENTIAL FOR MORE EQUIPMENT TO BE STOLEN.
SO I GOTTA GET THE BUILDING UP SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, THE MUSA, UH, JUST TO CORRECT MR. CORNICK A LITTLE BIT, IT ACTUALLY, THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY, THEY DO PRAY TWO OR THREE TIMES A DAY.
AND WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT A LOVED ONE, WE HAVE AN ISLAMIC SECTION RIGHT HERE.
WHEN THEY COME TO VISIT, THEY WOULD GO INTO THE SALA AND PRAY.
BUT IT'S ALSO USED DURING THE BURIAL PROCESS AS TRADITION.
UM, IT'S NOT A, UH, CHURCH, IT'S NOTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S JUST A PLACE FOR THEM TO PRAY.
AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS IN THE ISLAMIC COMMUNITY, WHEN THEY DO A BURIAL, THEY ACTUALLY OPEN UP THE CASKET AND THEN THEY WORK WITH THE BODY OUTSIDE IN PLAIN DAYLIGHT AND THEIR SECTIONS RIGHT IN THE FRONT HERE.
THEY'RE NOT, IT'S NOT A FUNERAL HOME, BUT IT PROVIDES THEM A SPOT WHERE THEY CAN DO THAT PRIVATELY FOR THE FAMILY.
UM, AND THIS BUILDING WOULD ONLY HOUSE WHAT PEOPLE CAN NORMALLY GET IN THERE.
AND THEN, UM, THE OTHER PEOPLE WOULD WAIT OR STACK AND WAIT OUTSIDE IN OUR ROADS FOR THE PEAK TIME OF THE SERVICE.
AND THEN THIS GATE, THE SERVICE GATE RIGHT HERE IS OPENED UP, UH, TO ALLOW THE HEARST PULL OUT.
AND IT'S ONE TIME A MONTH OF SERVICE FOR ISLAMIC BURIAL.
UM, THE EXPANSION IN THE BACK WILL OCCUR SOONER THAN LATER.
UM, IT'S UNFORTUNATE THAT, UH, IT'S A ZONING BOARD APPLICATION, SO THEY TAKE JURISDICTION OF THE APPLICATION.
AND NOT TO GO BACK INTO WHAT WE JUST TALKED ABOUT PRIOR TO OUR APPLICATION, I REALLY WOULD SUGGEST WITH WHAT
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COUNCIL OR COUNCIL AND PLANNING BOARD IS THINKING AND MR. TAYLOR AND MR. NOLL AND TONY IS THINKING MAYBE HAVING A DATA CENTER OR AN ORDINANCE THAT MAKES IT A CONDITIONAL USE TO BE IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD IS SOMETHING VERY SPECIAL INSTEAD OF A VARIANCE LATER ON, UH, WHATEVER YOU DECIDE TO DO.BUT BEING IN FRONT OF THE PLANNING BOARD, I THINK YOU GUYS ARE LOOK AT THINGS A LITTLE BIT DEEPER THAN, THAN, UH, THE ZONING BOARD.
UM, I'M GONNA TELL THE ZONING BOARD THAT YOU SAID THAT
UM, I MEAN THEY DO LOOK AT IT DEEP, BUT IT'S JUST, UH, I THINK IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT, UM, APPLICATION WISE.
UM, WITH REGARDS TO THE BUFFER IN THE BACK HERE ON, ON THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY, THAT'S THE SUBJECT OF THE REDEVELOPMENT FOR THE FOURTH ROUND.
AND AS MR. TAYLOR HAS IDENTIFIED, AND I THINK MR. CORNICK HAS IDENTIFIED THERE'S SOME HUGE BUFFERS, UM, RIGHT BEHIND THE UH, UH, 39 0 6 THAT'S GONNA BE REQUIRED OF THAT DEVELOPMENT, WHICH WILL HELP SCREEN WHAT WE'RE DOING THERE.
I'M NOT ASKING FOR ANYTHING OTHER THAN JUST, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO THERE IS ALSO GONNA BENEFIT 39 0 6, BUT SOFTEN THE VIEW.
OTHER THAN THAT, I REALLY DON'T HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS.
YOU HAVE TO GET APPROVAL OF THE CEMETERY STATE.
YES, I, UH, AFTER THE MUNICIPAL APPROVAL, I HAVE TO GET THE STATE SECRETARY BOARD APPROVAL, OR I HAVE TO GET COUNCIL'S APPROVAL, UM, BECAUSE THEY HAVE TO AUTHORIZE THE ENLARGEMENT OF THE CEMETERY.
AND THIS IS AN ENLARGEMENT OF THE CEMETERY.
I WONDER HOW YOU KEEP YOUR GRASS SO GREEN.
WHAT'S THAT? HOW KEEP YOUR GRASS SOAP GREEN.
IT'S BIG SPRINKLER HEADS OVER THERE.
90 PSI 60, 60 GALLONS A MINUTE.
WHY CAN MINE ALL LOOK LIKE THAT?
SO, AND, AND WE PLAN TO DO THE SAME WITH WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO HERE AND MAYBE THERE'S AN OPPORTUNITY TO, TO FILL THE POND AND THEN IRRIGATE OUT OF THE POND AND CREATE SOMETHING REALLY SPECIAL HERE, WHICH IS, IS ALREADY SPECIAL.
BUT, UM, I REALLY DO NEED THE SPACE TO BE HONEST WITH YOU.
I'M, I'M, UH, THE ORIGINAL CEMETERY WAS 4,455 PLOTS.
UM, I'M ALREADY THROUGH A THOUSAND OF 'EM.
UM, THE MAUSOLEUM, THE FIRST MAUSOLEUM WAS 1,588 CRIPS.
UM, I JUST HAD TO BUILD THE SECOND PHASE OF IT.
I'M ALREADY THROUGH 35% OF THAT.
BUT THE KEY WITH THAT IS THERE'S ONLY ABOUT FOUR OR 500 CRIPS THAT ARE OUTDOOR CRIPS.
AND THIS EXPANSION ALLOWS US TO PROVIDE OUTDOOR CRIPS, UH, WHICH ARE CALLED GUARDING CRIPS.
AND WHAT'S MORE IMPORTANT ABOUT THAT LOT AND HOW IT'S VERY SPECIAL TO US AND WHAT WE DO IS ALL THE INFRASTRUCTURE CONNECTION TO SEWER, WATER, GAS, UM, ELECTRIC IS RIGHT ALONG FOSTER TOWN ROAD, I I, TO, TO CONTINUE TO BUILD MUSS LIMB.
CRIPS ON THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK BECOMES COST.
AND THAT ONE PLAN, YOU, YOU HAVE A PLAN WHERE YOU GO FURTHER, I GUESS THAT'S WEST? YES.
I, I PURCHASED THE LEFT 28, UH, IT BECAME 28.01, UM, WHICH IS A 40 ACRE, 39 ACRE EXPANSION, UM, WHICH HAS 29,000 PLOTS.
AND, UH, REASON WHY THAT'S KIND OF IMPORTANT IS BECAUSE, UH, LIFE IS A LONG, LONG TIME.
I MEAN, IT COULD BE LIFE'S FOREVER.
SO THERE'S 450,000 PEOPLE IN BURLINGTON COUNTY ALONE.
AND, UH, AT EIGHT TENTHS OF 1%, YOU KNOW, THERE'S 800 PEOPLE DYING EVERY YEAR.
NOT SURE HOW MANY ARE GONNA COME OVER HERE, BUT, UH, OVER A LONG PERIOD OF TIME, THE, THE ONE THING THAT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE A NEED FOR CEMETERY GROUND FOREVER.
AND, UH, THIS IS NOT LIKE A NORMAL WAREHOUSE BUILDING WHERE YOU CAN JUST KEEP BUILDING UP.
UM, SO MY, MY WHOLE THOUGHT WAS TO ACQUIRE AS MUCH PROPERTY AS I CAN AROUND THE CEMETERY.
I PRESENTED A PLAN PRIOR TO THE TOWNSHIP OR TO THE STAFF WHERE WE WERE GONNA EXPAND THE CEMETERY BY 77 MORE ACRES.
BUT THAT WASN'T WELL RECEIVED IN A STAFF MEETING, UM, FOR SOME UNKNOWN REASON.
ANY QUESTIONS OF THIS? EITHER WITNESS, I GUESS? ANY QUESTIONS? NO.
I GUESS WE'LL GO TO THE PROFESSIONAL REPORTS.
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DO YOU HAVE A PREFERENCE? WHICH ONE? BLADDER ALWAYS GOES FIRST.SORRY, IS EVERYBODY LOOKING AT ME? I THOUGHT I THOUGHT HE WAS GONNA SNAR.
UM, YEAH, WE WERE WAITING ON YOU.
UH, REFERRING TO OUR REPORT DATED MAY 20, 20, 26, UH, PAGES ONE, ONE AND TWO ARE INFORMATIONAL.
UM, AS MR. CORNICK, MR. FRE INDICATED IS THE CONDITIONAL USE.
UH, THERE ARE STANDARDS SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED.
UM, ALMOST ALL OF THOSE, UH, THE LAST CONDITIONAL USE STANDARD, UM, DOES REQUIRE THAT FENCING OR OTHER SCREENING BE PROVIDED AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE SITE USED AS A CEMETERY, UM, IN A PRIOR PHASE.
UM, THE, THE FENCING WAS REQUESTED TO NOT BE INSTALLED AND THAT THE STREET TREES AND PLANTINGS, UM, SERVE AS THE OTHER SCREENING AROUND THE PERIMETER.
UM, SO THAT'S SOMETHING I THINK THE BOARD SHOULD SPECIFICALLY ADDRESS BECAUSE IF FOR SOME REASON THEY DON'T MEET THE CONDITIONAL USE STANDARDS, THEY WOULD ACTUALLY HAVE TO GO TO THE ZONING BOARD FOR A CONDITIONAL USE VARIANCE.
UM, SO THAT, THAT IS SORT OF A THRESHOLD, UM, ISSUE THAT WE SHOULD ADDRESS IN THE BOARD.
THAT'S FOR WHAT, WHAT, SAY THAT AGAIN? I'M SORRY.
THE, SO WHEN, WHEN A USE IS CONDITIONALLY PERMITTED, AND THERE ARE CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE ORDINANCE LIKE WE HAVE HERE AT THE TOP OF PAGE TWO OR THE BOTTOM OF PAGE TWO AND THE TOP OF PAGE THREE, IF THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH THOSE STANDARDS, THEY CAN GET A CONDITIONAL USE PERMIT PERMIT RIGHT FROM THE PLANNING BOARD.
IF THEY DON'T COMPLY WITH ONE, THEY NEED A CONDITIONAL USE VARIANCE.
THEY CAN ONLY BE GRANTED BY THE BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THEY WERE SORT OF FIRST IN OUR REPORT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE SORT OF A THRESHOLD, UM, ELEMENT.
THEY DO COMPLY WITH THE OTHER STANDARDS.
SOME OF THOSE ARE SUBJECTIVE THAT THE BOARD WILL HAVE TO FIND, UH, SPECIFICALLY THAT THEY CAN COMPLY.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LANDSCAPE GOES, I I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE WAIVER FOR STREET TREES AND BUFFERS, UM, BE STRONGLY CONSIDERED BY THE BOARD.
THIS IS NOT THE OPEN PORTION OF THE CEMETERY WHERE IT IS LARGELY PLOTS.
WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A PARKING LOT, WE HAVE A DETENTION BASIN, WE HAVE A POLE BARN BUILDING.
WE HAVE A SORT OF INDUSTRIAL UTILITARIAN TYPE SPACE.
AND I THINK PROVIDING STREET TREES, BUFFERS, AND PARKING LOT PLANTINGS CONSISTENT WITH THE ORDINANCE IS IMPORTANT DOWN IN THAT DEVELOPED PORTION OF THE SITE.
I DON'T THINK IT'LL HAVE ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS ON THAT OPEN PARK LIKE VISTA THAT WE HAVE IN THE CENTER OF THE SITE.
UM, BUT FOR THE FUTURE RESIDENTS TO THE REAR AND FOR THE TRAVELING PUBLIC, I THINK COMPLIANCE STREET TREES AND OTHER TREES SHOULD BE PROVIDED IN THIS DEVELOPED, UH, PORTION OF THE SITE.
UM, WE TALKED ABOUT THE USE AND OPERATIONS, UM, AND THE FOUR DIFFERENT SEGMENTS.
ONE WILL BE THE MASALA, ONE WILL BE A CARETAKER'S RESIDENCE, AND THEN THERE ARE TWO OTHER PART PARTITIONED OFF.
BOTH OF THOSE WILL SOLELY BE USED BY THE CEMETERY OPERATIONS.
ARE THEY OFFICE OR ARE THEY, UH, ALL WAREHOUSE? UH, SCOTT.
SOME, SOME OF IT'S THE STORE, UH, CARDBOARD GOODS FOR OUR CREMATORY, UM, HEADSTONES THAT GET DELIVERED BY OTHER MONUMENT COMPANIES THAT WE HAVE TO SET.
AND ALL OF THE EQUIPMENT THAT'S CURRENTLY STORED OUTSIDE AND MORE EQUIPMENT AS WE CONTINUE TO GROW.
AND THOSE ARE ON EITHER SIDE OF THE, THE CARETAKER I ASSUME IS THE SMALLER SPACE IN THE MIDDLE? IT, IT IS, BUT I DID MOVE THAT BECAUSE I THINK IT'S SMARTER TO BUILD IT NEXT TO THE MASALA BECAUSE I ONLY HAVE TO BUILD ONE FIREWALL VERSUS TWO FIREWALLS.
SO I'LL HAVE THE MASALA, THE CARETAKER UNIT, AND THEN THE REST OF IT WOULD BE, UH, WAREHOUSE NOT FOR RIGHT.
THOSE WILL BE, THAT'S WHY I ASKED, BECAUSE YES, SIR.
UM, RECOMMENDING, KNOWING WE HAVE RESIDENTIAL USES COMING IN, UH, THAT ANY DELIVERIES AND TRASH PICKUP BE LIMITED TO 7:00 AM TO 7:00 PM NO PROBLEM.
UM, I THINK WE TALKED ABOUT THE OUTDOOR STORAGE AND AS WELL THE, THE ONE CLARIFICATION ON THE OUTDOOR STORAGE.
I THINK THE ORDINANCE IS VERY SPECIFIC TO THE POINT WHERE IT SAYS THAT YOU CAN'T REMOVE THE SOIL OUT OF MEDFORD.
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OPPORTUNITY HERE THAT THERE'S GREEN MAR ABOUT ONE FOOT DOWN, AND THAT COULD BE USED AS A CAP IN CERTAIN SITUATIONS.SO I WOULD JUST LIKE THE CLARIFICATION THAT WE'RE OKAY IF WE TAKE THE SOIL THAT COMES OUT OF A GRAVE, WE CAN TAKE IT OUT OF THE TOWNSHIP.
WE'RE NOT TRYING TO MAKE MONEY.
IT COULD BE WE'RE NOT-FOR-PROFIT, BUT IT'S NOT THE EASIEST THING TO GET RID OF SOMETIMES
I THOUGHT THE ORDINANCE WAS REVISED TO, UM, ALLOW, SAW TO BE REMOVED OUTSIDE THE TOWNSHIP SUBJECT TO THE APPROVAL OF THE MANAGER AND ATTACHMENT ENGINEER.
IN ANY EVENT, I DON'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH IT AS LONG AS YOU TELL ME HOW MUCH IT'S GOING, WHEN IT'S GOING AND WHERE IT'S GOING.
UH, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES SIDEWALKS.
UM, I KNOW THAT THERE'S SOME SIDEWALKS GOING IN WITH THE NUMBER OF THE PROJECTS IN THE AREA.
SO SIDEWALKS, UM, ARE REQUIRED ALONG THE FRONTAGES, UM, OR IS REQUIRED.
SO SCOTT, I, I'D LIKE TO TALK ABOUT THAT JUST BECAUSE IN PRIOR APPLICATIONS, I GUESS TO THE NORTH ON 35 FOSTER TOWN ROAD AND THE EXISTING CEMETERY, UM, WE, WE WERE ABLE TO GET THOSE WAIVED.
AND I BELIEVE THAT, UM, ON, ON THE FOSTER TOWN ROAD PROJECTS, IF THEY DO COME, UH, WE'RE THERE TO SUPPORT IT FROM A FINANCIAL STANDPOINT BASED UPON WHAT IT COSTS TO PUT THE SIDEWALK IN.
BUT BECAUSE THERE'S GONNA BE ROAD WIDENING AND ROAD CHANGES, WE JUST DIDN'T WANNA PUT THAT IN AT THIS TIME.
SO THAT WOULD BE UP FOR THE BOARD TO CONSIDER WHETHER OR NOT A WAIVER IS APPROPRIATE.
UM, I RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT ONLY BECAUSE IT'S NUMBER ONE, IT DOESN'T EXIST ON THE PROPERTY NOW.
CORRECT? NOT, NOT TO EITHER SIDE.
THERE'S, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON, THERE'S NO SIDEWALK ON FOSTER TOWN, PERIOD.
SO MR. MR. TAYLOR, WILL THERE BE, WITH THE OTHER DEVELOPMENT THAT'S GOING IN AROUND THIS AREA, WILL THERE BE SIDEWALKS THAT, I MEAN RIGHT NOW, UH, CRAIG, VERMONT, IF YOU PUT A SIDEWALK IN, IT WOULDN'T CONNECT TO ANYWHERE, BUT IT WOULD NOT, WILL IT IN THE FUTURE CONNECT TO ANYWHERE? I MEAN, WELL, THE FIRST PIECE OF SIDEWALK IS ALWAYS A SIDEWALK TO NOWHERE.
AND THE ONLY WAY TO GET A CONNECTION IS FOR THEM TO BE INSTALLED.
UM, SO THAT IS A DIFFICULT QUESTION.
WHEN THIS WAS ALL INITIATED, UM, WE WEREN'T ABOUT TO HAVE 858 NEW HOUSING UNITS IN THE AREA.
ALL THOSE, THOSE PROJECTS HAVE SIDEWALKS IN AREAS WHERE THERE WERE NOT SIDEWALKS.
GOVERNING BODY WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO EVEN HAVE ADDITIONAL SIDEWALKS AND OTHER PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS.
WHETHER OR NOT IS APP IT IS APPROPRIATE IN THIS EXACT LOCATION IS, IS REALLY FOR THE BOARD TO DETERMINE.
BUT, YOU KNOW, WE DO HAVE SOME PARK FACILITY RIGHT ACROSS THE STREET AND WE'RE GONNA HAVE RESIDENTS IMMEDIATELY BEHIND.
WHETHER IT'S CRITICAL HERE OR WHETHER A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF OR SOME OTHER MECHANISM COULD BE DONE, UM, IS SOMETHING ELSE THAT COULD HAPPEN.
PAYMENTS IN LIEU OF, WHERE DOES THAT MONEY GO? DOES THAT GO TO SIDEWALKS SOMEWHERE? OR DOES IT JUST GO BACK INTO THE GENERAL FUND? IT GOES TO THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND, WHICH IS THEN UTILIZED TO, UH, INSTALL SIDEWALKS IN PLACES THAT ARE NEEDED.
DOES THAT HAPPEN REGULARLY? IT HAPPENED A LOT MORE IN THE PAST THAN IT HAS IN THE FUTURE BECAUSE WE REALLY HAVEN'T HAD MANY APPLICATIONS THAT REQUIRED THE SIDEWALK.
BUT BACK IN THE NINETIES AND EARLY TWO THOUSANDS, WE WOULD COLLECT A LOT OF MONEY AND WE WOULD PUT SIDEWALKS ON DOWN, UH, GRAVITY HOLLOW ROAD, NEAR HIGH BRIDGE, CONNECTED ALL THOSE.
WE STARTED OFF WITH A SIDEWALK WENT TO NOWHERE.
AND THROUGH THE SIDEWALK TRUST FUND, WE WERE ABLE TO DO THE CONNECTIONS.
AND CAN THE TRUST FUND BE USED? DOES IT HAVE TO BE A TRADITIONAL SIDEWALK OR COULD IT BE AN ASPHALT PATH THAT, THAT IT COULD GIVE, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE CONCRETE SIDEWALK.
AND IT'S UNLIKELY THAT YOU'LL GET SIDEWALK DOWN FOSTER TOWN ROAD BECAUSE OF THE ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS THERE.
IF I MAY ADD, UH, OUR DESIRE IS IN SCOTT, AND I'VE WORKED ON THIS FOR MANY, MANY YEARS, TALKING WITH MR. TRIALER A NUMBER OF YEARS AGO, IS, IS THAT WE LOOK AT THE CEMETERY AS A PARK LIFE SETTING.
WE WANT PEOPLE TO COME INTO THE CEMETERY, MAYBE GO THROUGH THE CEMETERY, THROUGH THE, ULTIMATELY THE FINAL ROADS, AND THEN CONNECT TO THE RAILROAD RIGHT.
AND THEN YOU COULD EITHER GO BACK OUT TO CHURCH ROAD OR GO TO THE VILLAGE OR GO TOWARDS THE FLYING W AND WHATEVER ELSE MAY HAPPEN.
YOU TAKE YOUR LIFE IN YOUR HANDS AND THEY'LL BE IN THE CEMETERY IF YOU TAKE THAT BEND IN THAT LOWER
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PORTION WHERE GOD FORBID IF YOU'RE WALKING, I JUST SEE TOO MANY PEOPLE EITHER GETTING KILLED OR HURT THERE ON FOSTER TOWN ROAD AND, AND ENVIRONMENTALLY, I DON'T THINK WITH THE WETLANDS RESTRICTIONS THAT WE COULD EVEN WIDEN THE ROAD WIDE ENOUGH TO PUT A SIDEWALK IN DOWN THERE AT THE NORTH END OF THE CEMETERY, WHICH IS RIGHT DOWN HERE.SO, SO IF I UNDERSTAND YOU CORRECTLY, IT'S SAFER TO NOT HAVE A SIDEWALK ALONG THE ROAD,
I, I DON'T BELIEVE I, I WANNA GO ON RECORD AND SAY I DON'T BELIEVE THAT.
BUT
SO THE STATISTICS DON'T BEAR THAT COMMENT OUT THEN FROM PROVIDING SIDEWALKS, MEANING AT THE END HE'S, HE'S TALKING ABOUT THE TERMINAL AND THAT AT THE CULVER CROSSING.
BUT IF SOMEBODY CAN WALK OFF ROAD FOR A THOUSAND FEET OH DEFINITELY.
EVENTUALLY HAVE TO WALK BACK ON ROAD.
THEY'VE AT LEAST BEEN, I TOTALLY AGREE FOR A THOUSAND.
BUT THE VISION IS, IS TO USE THE CEMETERY AS A PARK LAKE SETTING.
SO I, I GUESS OUR APPLICATION WOULD REQUEST A WAIVER FROM A PAYMENT LIE OF, IN THIS, THIS PARTICULAR, I THINK A PAYMENT IN LIEU THEREOF WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE WHERE WE COULD PUT SOMETHING SIDEWALK AND A MORE DESIRABLE LOCATION THAN HERE.
DOES THE PAYMENT LIKE GO FOOT FOR FOOT? LIKE SO HOWEVER MANY F YES IT DOES.
WE WOULD COME UP WITH THE BO OR THE SQUARE FOOTAGE OR SQUARE YARDAGE AND THEN MR. I'LL DO A CALCULATION OF THAT FOR WHAT IT COST THE TOWN TO PUT THE SIDEWALK MM-HMM
AND WE WOULD TAKE THAT MONEY AND PUT IN THE FUND.
WE DON'T THINK WITH THE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT THAT'S COMING, THAT WE WOULD WANT SIDEWALK CONNECTIONS HERE IN THE FUTURE.
'CAUSE I THINK NOW WOULD BE THE OPPORTUNITY IF WE WERE GONNA DO IT.
I THINK PART OF THOSE, BETWEEN THOSE AND, AND WHAT MR. TAYLOR'S BEEN TALKING ABOUT IS THAT INTERCONNECTION UTILIZING THE RAILROAD BED.
IT'S IT'S ONE OF THOSE, IT ITS, BUT I'M GOING OFF OF WHAT MR. MR. UH, PARKS IS SAYING.
PARKS IS SAYING, I MEAN, IT, IT, IT'S PROBABLY BETTER TO HAVE A SIDEWALK ON BOSS TOWN ROAD.
I MEAN, I DON'T, IF IT IS, IT IS WHAT IT IS.
WE CONTRIBUTE, WE CONTRIBUTE, I WANT IT TO BE SAFE.
I DON'T WANNA BE BURYING ANYONE THAT GOT CODES IN FRONT OF OUR CEMETERY.
THAT'S FOR SURE'S A SHORT TRIP.
I'M NOT SURE WHERE, IF YOU PUT THE SAW OFF ON THE FRONTAGE, WHERE THAT WOULD SERVE THE PROPOSED AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT, IS THERE CONNECTION TO THE RAILROAD RIGHT OF WAY? YES, I HAVE THAT.
WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT EXIST? RIGHT HERE.
WELL, I MEAN I RIGHT, BUT, AND, AND THE PROPOSED NEW RESIDENCE OF THE REDEVELOPMENT AREA IS EVERYTHING FROM HERE OVER RIGHT.
THEY HAVE A CONNECTION UP AND THEN BACK DOWN THROUGH YEAH.
SO THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONNECTED RIGHT NOW.
IT'S GOING THROUGH THIS LOCK, WHICH IS NOT THE RIGHT SPOT.
THE CONNECTION SHOULD BE RIGHT HERE, ADJACENT LINE, UH, THE BIFURCATING LINE OF THE CEMETERY AND THE FUTURE HOUSING.
AND THAT WOULDN'T INTERFERE WITH THE BI NO.
THAT, THAT EXIST ON THAT NEW PARCEL.
SO THEY, SO IF, IF ANYONE WAS TO LIVE IN THAT NEW PROPERTY, THEY WOULD BE ABLE TO GO UP TO THE RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY AND THEN BACK DOWN THROUGH THE CEMETERY IF, IF THEY CHOSE TO YES, SIR.
AND GO ALL THE WAY OUT TO EAST STATION ROAD, THEN COME DOWN EAST STATION ROAD AND GO THROUGH PROJECT AND ORDER TO GO OUT TO CHURCH AND FIVE POINTS INTERSECTION WHERE THAT RELEASE IS, IS RIGHT HERE SECTION MR. CORN, FLYING W HAS SIDEWALKS, I BELIEVE, ALONG THEIR SITE FRONT.
INTER CONNECTION WITH INTER CONNECTION TO THAT RAILROAD RIGHT AWAY BEHIND THE TRIANGLE PIECE TO THE CHRIS, ENGINEERING WISE, THE THOUGHT IS THE SOFTEN THIS FIRM, THIS TERM HERE IN FUTURE PLANS OR WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T.
PROBABLY GOT THE CULVERT THERE.
YOU GOT THE BRIDGE, YOU GOT ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES.
IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO DO ANYTHING THERE.
I MEAN, I DEDICATED SOME RIGHT OF WAY ON BOTH SIDES.
SO I'M HELPING OUT AS MUCH AS I CAN.
WHATEVER WE COULD DO TO, TO MAKE THIS STATEMENT ON ALL FOUR.
WELL, THAT WAS THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT WAS REQUIRED BY ORDINANCE.
IT WASN'T NECESSARILY, UH, DIRECTLY RELATED TO SOFTENING THAT CURVE.
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BUT I GUESS THE PREP, THE REQUEST WOULD BE PAYMENT IN LIEU OF, AND IF THE BOARD CHOOSES THEY WANNA SEE THE SIDEWALK, THEN WE'LL PUT THE SIDEWALK IN, RIGHT? OR YES, ONE, UH, I THINK ITEMS 10, 11, AND 12 ARE RELATIVELY MINOR.I DON'T KNOW WHERE A BICYCLE RACK WOULD BENEFIT THE CEMETERY.
I, I DON'T THINK WE WOULD WANNA PUT THAT IN.
DO, UH, I DON'T KNOW IF PEOPLE EMPLOYEE BIKE BIKES CURRENTLY 75 AND, AND ME, WE SEE A LOT OF LABORS, BIKES, WAREHOUSES.
BUT THAT'S, BUT THAT'S, MY EMPLOYEES ARE IN THE HOUSES ACROSS THE STREET THAT THEY TRANSFER TO THE, UM, YEAH.
AND WE DON'T TAKE ANY EXCEPTION TO COLORS IN WORKING WITH YOU, MAKING SURE THEY'RE CONSISTENT.
UM, SO THE FLOOR PLANS WILL BE REVISED TO SHOW THE CARETAKER UNIT.
UM, AND THE APPLICANT HAS PROVIDED TESTIMONY, UM, REGARDING THE ARCHITECTURE.
UM, AND ANY BUILDING MECHANICALS WILL BE SCREEN FROM ADJACENT RESIDENCE.
AND THAT COULD BE A GOOD SPOT BETWEEN THE GRIPS AND THE BUILDING AND FOOT MECHANICALS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THE ARCHITECTURE THERE? THERE'S TWO RENDERINGS.
THERE'S, THERE'S THIS ONE GRAY AND HAS SOME SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT ARCHITECTURAL THINGS.
AND THEN THIS ONE, WHICH IS TAN? NO, NOT THE CRIPS.
IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE THE SAME BUILDING.
THEY'RE THE SAME BUILDING, BUT THEY'RE, THEY LOOK DIFFERENT.
ONE'S BROWN, ONE'S TAN THE CRIPS IN FRONT OF NO, NO, NO, NO.
THAT LOOK AT THAT JUST THE COLOR.
WELL, WHICH ONE IS IT THOUGH? IT'S RIVER ONE.
THE ROOF TO BE BROWN OR ROOM TO ROOF AND BE BROWN STUFF.
WELL, REASON I ASKED THAT IS TO ME, AND AGAIN, ARCHITECTURE AND COLORS IS VERY SUBJECTIVE, BUT TO ME, THIS RENDERING OF THIS BUILDING LOOKS BETTER THAN THIS RENDERING TWO DIFFERENT S YEAH, THE PUPILS A DIFFERENT, RIGHT.
AND WINDOWS AND, AND IN MY, AGAIN, IN MY OPINION, THEY'RE BETTER ON THE FIRST ONE.
THE OTHER THING THAT I LIKE ABOUT THIS RENDERING IS THESE ADDITIONAL WINDOWS AT THE TOP BREAKING UP THE, YOU KNOW, THE FACE.
SO I MEAN, ULTIMATELY IF WE'RE ASKED TO CHOOSE BETWEEN ONE AND THE OTHER, I WOULD CHOOSE THE ONE ON THE COVER.
IS THERE, DOES THE TOWNSHIP HAVE A, I MEAN, DOES THE, DOES OUR, DOES OUR GUIDELINES OR ORDINANCES HAVE A WATER ON IT? THERE ARE SPECIFIC DESIGN STANDARDS IN THE ORDINANCE ABOUT FITTING WITHIN THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY.
THEY'RE ALSO ASKING FOR SOME RELIEF, UM, FOR THE ROOF PITCH REQUIREMENT TO HAVE MORE TRADITIONAL ROOF PITCH.
IT WOULD ONLY MAKE THE ROOF HIGHER.
BUT I THINK 'CAUSE OF THAT RELIEF REQUEST, IF THE BOARD HAS SOME OTHER SPECIFIC SUGGESTIONS, LIKE USE THIS, I HAVE THOSE SORT OF RAISED CLEAR STORY WINDOWS ABOVE.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS, HAS AGREED TO THAT.
AND I THINK THE BOARD CAN, CAN REQUEST THAT IT SEEMS AGREEABLE.
I MEAN I, YOU KNOW, I, IT'S JUST MY OPINION.
SO I'D BE CURIOUS TO HEAR WHAT THE OTHER BOARD MEMBERS THINK ABOUT THAT.
AND WITH ALL THOSE, IF, IF THE BOARD IS FINE WITH SOMETHING IN THE SORT OF WARM TALK BARK COLOR FOR THE BUILDING DESIGN SCHEME, UM, WE CAN WORK AND GET AN ACTUAL SAMPLE THAT'LL LIKELY LOOK SIMILAR TO BOTH, BUT NOT IDENTICAL TO EITHER JUST DIFFERENCES IN RENDERING PROGRAMS AND PRINTERS.
IT'S, IT'S NEARLY IMPOSSIBLE TO GET A TRUE ACCURATE.
SO IF THE BOARD IS GENERALLY FINE WITH A WARMER TAN TOTE COLOR SCHEME, WE CAN DO THAT AS CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
CLARK, I, PAUL, THE, THE AMISH COMPANY THAT IS OUR EXPERTS TO RENDERING THE ELEVATION, DOES HAVE THE WINDOWS AND WE WANT THE WINDOWS ON THE TOP BECAUSE IT PROVIDES LIGHT INTO THE MAINTENANCE AREAS.
SO DEFINITELY THE THE THE CUPOLAS ARE, ARE ALSO VASTLY DIFFERENT ON THAT.
YOU KNOW, THE, THE, THE ONES IN THE, THE AMISH PEOPLE'S RENDERING, IT'S REALLY LIKE VERY SORT OF, THEY, THEY HAVE DIFFICULT TIME WITH COMPUTERS IN AMISH WORLD.
THAT'S WHY, THAT'S WHY IT HAS THE GRAPH.
I MEAN, IT, IT IS A LARGE, THE AMISH, I INSTALL THE DATA.
SO ANYTHING YOU CAN DO TO IMPROVE THE LOOKS OF A POLE BARN, I'M, I'M ALL FOR IT.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M RIGHT NEXT TO A 35,000 SQUARE FOOT PRE ENGINEER STEEL BUILDING THAT WAS BUILT 40 YEARS AGO.
WELL, YOU KNOW, LET'S TEAR THAT ONE DOWN THEN.
I MEAN, YEAH, YOU GOT ONE UGLY BUILDING, BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN YOU HAVE TO BUILD WELL, I ONLY CONSIDER IT TEMPORARY.
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YEAH.BECAUSE ONCE I GET THIS BUILDING UP, THEN I START CONSTRUCTION ON THE CRI, ON THE CRIPS GOING HIDE IT.
MR. DO WE GO THROUGH ONE ANOTHER ROUND OF THIS WHERE WE'LL SEE LIKE THE FINAL, THIS IS WHEN, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA BE, THESE ARE THE SAMPLES OF THE COLORS, YADA, YADA, YADA.
IT, UH, WELL THAT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD.
IF, IF, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE AN UPDATED RENDERING AND A FINAL, YOU CAN, IF, IF YOU'RE FINE SAYING WE WANT THE LARGER CUPOLA, WE WANT THE BUILDING THAT HAS THESE AND THEN DEFER IT AND WE CAN WORK IT OUT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, WE CAN DO THAT.
IT'S REALLY, THAT'S COMPLETELY THE BOARD'S PREFERENCE OF, OF HOW THAT GETS HANDLED.
WE'VE DONE THAT ON OTHER PROJECTS ON FOSTER TOWN ROAD WITH THE TAYLORS, UM, AT THE ZONING BOARD LEVEL.
SO AS LONG AS THE BOARD IS, IS CONFIDENT IN THAT, THEY'LL, THEY'LL DO WHAT IS RIGHT FOR THE TOWN.
I THINK WE CAN DO THAT THAT WAY INSTEAD OF COMING BACK TO THE BOARD.
THAT WOULD BE A PREFERENCE WHILE WE'RE ON COLORS.
IS DO THE BUILDINGS, YOUR, YOUR EXISTING BUILDING NOW ON THE NORTH SIDE AND THIS, DO THEY MATCH IN YEAH, THAT'S THE BLUE, THE STONE FACADE AND YEP.
THE COLORS THAT WELL BLUE PEARL AND IT'S IN PAL BLACK STRIP FOR THE, FOR THE CRIPS.
BUT SO WHEN YOU PULL IN, YOU'RE, YOU'RE SEEING ALMOST SYMMETRICAL COLOR SCHEMES.
UM, AND THIS BUILDING, I THINK YOUR ACTUAL, UH, CEMETERY BUILDING IS A BRIGHTER, LIGHTER COLOR.
THE DRIVE IS ALL A MUCH SORT OF AN OFF WHITE.
UM, WITH THIS BEING A SORT OF A MAINTENANCE BUILDING, HAVING THIS BEING A, A WARMER, MORE MUTED TONE, IT WILL TEND TO RECEDE AND NOT DRAW ATTENTION TO ITSELF.
BUT ONCE THE, EXCUSE ME, THE CRIP, SORRY, CRIPS ARE BUILT, THERE'LL BE SOME SYMMETRY THERE.
THE IDENTICAL TO THE GRANITE THAT'S ON THE BUILDING THAT'S FACING FOSTER TOWN ROAD IN THIS WHOLE AREA HERE.
THE GRANITE'S HERE, THE GRANITE'S HERE, THE GRANITE'S HERE, AND THE GRANITE'S HERE.
THIS IS THE CLOSEST PART OF THE MUZZLE.
UH, IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, IT IS ALL 3000 DEGREE KELVIN LIGHTS.
UH, THEY ARE ALL, UM, DOWN LIGHTS AS WELL.
UM, AND THE HOURS OF OPERATION FOR THE LIGHTS.
SO AGAIN, UH, EARL'S CONCERN, OR MR. STAHL'S CONCERN WITH SOME THEFT IS TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY'RE AT LEAST ON MOTION.
UH, BUT IF WE PREFER THAT ON THE BACKSIDE THAT THEY'D BE ON AND DIMED DOWN.
AND THEN ON MOTION, THEY WOULD PREFER MAYBE A HOUSE LOCATING TO THE CARETAKER RESIDENCE.
SO THE CARETAKER RESIDENCE, OBVIOUSLY THEY'RE GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN SWITCH OPERATION AND THEY CAN CONTROL THAT SEPARATELY.
UM, BUT KNOWING THAT WE HAVE OTHER RESIDENTS ACROSS THE STREET, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE FIND IS PUTTING MOTION SENSORS AT THE CORNERS AND OVER THE DOOR, ESPECIALLY ON THAT BACKSIDE, TURNING THE LIGHTS OFF OVERNIGHT.
AND YOU'LL SEE MOST OF THE BANKS IN THE AREA DO THE SAME THING.
ANYBODY WALKS UP NEAR IT, ALL THE LIGHTS COME ALONG.
THAT LETS ME, THAT LETS POLICE, THAT LETS EVERYBODY KNOW SOMEBODY'S NEAR THAT BUILDING.
UM, IN TERMS OF LANDSCAPING, I THINK WE TALKED A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS.
WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE STREET TREES, THE BUFFERS AND THE, THE PARKING LOT PLAN CANS BE MODIFIED, UH, TO COMPLY WITH THE ORDINANCE.
WE CAN ENHANCE THOSE ABOVE WHAT WE HAVE.
UM, WE ALSO NOTED THAT, UH, THE SITE WAS CLEARED IN, IN LATE FALL OF 2025, UH, WITHOUT ANY TREE CLEARING PERMITS ISSUED.
AND, UM, ASKING FOR SOME TESTIMONY REGARDING ANY REFORESTATION TREES, UH, TO BE CONSIDERED CONSISTENT WITH ORDINANCE.
I THINK SCOTT AND MR. CORNICK ARE GONNA WORK ON THE NUMBER OF TREES AND WHATEVER.
IT'S, IT'S SCOTT, DO WE KNOW, DO WE KNOW HOW MANY TREES WERE CUT DOWN? LOOKS LIKE A LOT.
MR. CORNICK AND I WERE LOOKING AT THAT TODAY, AND WHEN WE NOTED IT IN THE PLANS, YOU CAN ESTIMATE THE HEIGHT BY THE SHADOW.
CONSISTENT WITH THE ADJACENT BUILDINGS.
UM, WE ALSO HAVE A COUPLE YEARS OF STREET VIEW WHERE BASED ON A KNOWN DIMENSION OF A UTILITY POLE IN THE FOREGROUND, YOU CAN ESTIMATE TRIGGER A METRICALLY, UH, WHAT THE DIAMETER OF THOSE TREES ARE AND WHICH, WHICH OF THOSE I FRANKLY CAN
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LOOK AT MOST AND TELL WHETHER OR NOT IT'S A SIX INCH CALIBER TREE OR NOT.UM, MR. CORNICK HAS DONE THAT.
I'VE NOT HAD A CHANCE TO CALCULATE THAT, BUT, UM, HE ESTIMATED TODAY THAT THERE WERE 30 TREES, UH, THAT MET THE, UH, I BELIEVE IT WAS 30 TREES.
THERE WERE MORE COER NARROW TREES ALONG THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE.
SO WE HAVE ABOUT 20 TREES RANGING FROM, UM, THE SIX INCH UP TO THE 23 INCH RANGE THAT WE'RE ESTIMATING ON THE SITE.
SO IT'S JUST THE NUMBER THAT WE HAVE TO COME UP TOGETHER BETWEEN MR. TAYLOR AND MYSELF AS TO THE COMPENSATION.
SO YOUR ORDINANCE REQUIRES A COMPENSATION, UM, OF ON LOT TREES FROM SIX INCHES TO WHAT, 23.99 OR 13.99? 12.99 OR WHAT? YEAH, THAT'S THE NUMBER.
12.99 WHERE WE'D HAVE TO COMPENSATE WITH ONE TREE.
SO IF I TEAR DOWN A TREE BETWEEN SIX AND 12.99 INCHES, I HAVE TO PUT ONE TREE BACK.
AND IF IT'S FROM 13 INCHES UP TO 23.9 9, 22, 9 9, I'M OFF BY ONE EVERY TIME.
UM, WE ARE REQUIRED TO COMPENSATE TWO.
AND SO, UH, ONCE WE COME UP WITH THAT NUMBER, WE'LL WORK WITH MR. STALL AND, AND FIND LOCATIONS INSIDE OF BOTH LOTS TO, TO PLANT THOSE, UM, OUTSIDE, OUTSIDE OF YOUR STREET TREE.
AND BUFFERING REQUIREMENTS, ARE THOSE REPLANTING OF TREES REQUIRED ON SITE? YES, THEY ARE.
I MEAN, I, I GUESS WITH THE, YOU KNOW, SINCE WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THOSE WERE MY BIGGEST CONCERNS WITH THIS PROPOSAL, BUT MR. TAYLOR MENTIONED THE MINIMAL LEVEL OF LANDSCAPING, YOU KNOW, THE WAIVERS FOR TREES, THE, THE CLEAR CUTTING OF THE LARGE AREAS WITHOUT APPROVAL, UM, THAT SOMEONE MENTIONED DURING TESTIMONY THAT YOU DIDN'T WANT TO JAM IT UP WITH TREES, WHICH, YOU KNOW,
UM, YOU KNOW, ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU COMPARE IT TO CEMETERIES LIKE, UM, UH, UH, LAUREL HILL AND PHILADELPHIA THAT ARE KNOWN FOR BEING TREE CENTERS.
SO, UM, I GUESS THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS MAKING SURE THAT YOU KNOW, THAT WE'RE PLANTING THE TREES REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE AND REPLACING THE TREES THAT WERE CUT DOWN WITHOUT THE ORDINANCE.
SO IF I MAY, AND I AGREE WITH YOU CLARK.
UM, MR. NOLL AND I, 39 YEARS AGO, THERE WAS THIS 35,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING HAD A MIRROR BUILDING APPROVED HERE.
SO THIS IS A COMMON DRIVE WHICH IS STILL THERE, AND THEN THERE'S GONNA NEED TRACTOR TRAILERS BACKING UP INTO THIS BUILDING.
SO WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS HE STRIPS THE TOP SOIL OFF OF THIS LOT TO PUT IT OVER HERE SO HE CAN BUILD THIS BUILDING AND WHAT WAS VACANT FIELD.
AND 31 YEARS BECOMES WEEDS THAT TURN INTO TREES.
DON'T GET ME WRONG, IT WAS A FULL BLOWN FOREST LIKE LAUREL HILL AND THIS AND THAT, AND I WENT IN AND TOOK DOWN TREES NO PROBLEM.
BUT THIS IS BASICALLY A WEED PATCH THAT TURNED INTO A TREE.
AND I UNDERSTAND WHY WE HAVE A TOWN SUBORDINATES FOR REMOVING TREES.
BUT THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO PLANT IN THE CEMETERY TREES IN THIS DAY AND AGE BACK LAUREL HILL, YOUR FOR-PROFIT COMPANIES FOR NOT-FOR-PROFIT, AS THEY'RE SAYING, WE DON'T MAKE MONEY, BUT IT IS A FARMING COMMUNITY.
AND THAT PROPERTY HAD TO TAKE THE TREES.
NOW WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER LOCATION? THERE'S A FARM? NO, NO.
THE ONE, THE, THERE ARE TWO LOCATIONS WHERE TREES WERE CLEAR CUT, THE ONE THAT YOU JUST TALKED ABOUT, AND THEN THE OTHER ONE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FARM, UH, THAT'S, THAT'S ON A LOT.
AND THAT'S CURRENTLY FARMED SO THAT, THAT CAN BE DONE ON THE RIGHT FARM.
WELL ANYWAY, AGAIN, THAT'S MY, YOU KNOW, MR. TAYLOR, I'LL DEFER TO YOU, BUT, UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SEE AS MANY TREES PLANTED IN AS PART OF THIS.
I, I, I GET THAT PART, BUT ANY OTHER PLACE ON THE PROPERTY WHERE THEY CAN BE PLANTED, WHERE THAT PROPOSED BUILDING IS BEFORE THE TOP SOIL WAS DUMPED THERE.
WHAT WAS THE USE OF THE LAND AT THAT TIME? LAND INDUSTRIAL, VACANT LAND.
IT'S JUST INDU VACANT INDUSTRIAL LAND.
I MEAN, IT WASN'T FARM IT WAS LEGALLY DREAMED.
THEY, WELL, IT WAS FARM, IT WAS FARMED BEFORE THAT IT WAS FARMS. YEAH, IT WAS ABRAS ABRAMS FAMILY FARMED.
SO, BUT IT WAS ZONED INDUSTRIAL, YOU SAID? YEAH, IT'S BEEN ZONED INDUSTRIAL SINCE APRIL 1ST, SO, ALRIGHT.
ALRIGHT, SO LIKE WHERE THE SIDEWALKS AREN'T GOING TO GO, YOU DON'T WANT TO PLANT TREES THERE? UH, I DON'T HAVE ANY PROBLEM WITH PLANTING TREES WHERE SIDEWALKS ARE BUILT NO PROBLEM.
BUT THERE'S STREET TREES I THOUGHT.
BUT THEN WE HAVE A BASIN IN THE FRONT.
SO WE HAVE A NUMBER OF TREES RIGHT HERE, BUT THERE'S AN OUTFLOW STRUCTURE THAT REQUIRES US TO GET INTO THIS STORMWATER MANAGEMENT
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EASEMENT.BUT THEN WE TAKES IT DOWN TO THE SOUTHWEST RANCH OF COCUS.
SO WE'RE SORT OF CAUGHT BETWEEN A ROCK AND A OUR PLACE IN CERTAIN AREAS.
REGARDS WHAT, WHAT'S THE ISSUE WITH THE PLANTING, UH, TREES AT A CEMETERY TODAY IN A MODERN CEMETERY? WELL, FIRST THIS IS PROBABLY THE ONLY MODERN CEMETERY.
IF YOU GO TO THE CATHOLIC ONE, JESUS BREAD AND LIGHT.
THERE'S IN ONE TRIO IN THE WHOLE CEMETERY, AT LEAST I PUT IN 35 TREES.
WELL, NO, I'M, I'M SAYING WHAT, WHAT IS DIFFICULT? I MEAN, WHEN YOU GO DIG A GRAVE, YOU DIG THE ROOTS UP IN THE TREETOPS.
I MEAN, MAKE THE ARGUMENT OTHERWISE YOU'RE GONNA PLANT TREES.
YOU KNOW, I THINK THE TAKEAWAY HERE COULD BE THAT WE WORK WITH MR. TAYLOR ON BOTH LANDSCAPING AND TREE COMPENSATION AND IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT, WE GOTTA COME BACK BEFORE THE BOARD AND DISCUSS AND, AND WORK OUR WAY THROUGH THAT.
MR. TAYLOR, DOES THAT MAKE SENSE TO YOU? UH, IF THE BOARD'S COMFORTABLE WITH THAT, WE CAN HANDLE THAT.
WHAT'S THE PROPOSAL AGAIN? UH, THAT WE WORK WITH MR. TAYLOR ON BOTH THE LANDSCAPING ENHANCEMENTS AND THEN THE TREE COMPENSATION.
AND IF WE CAN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT INTERNALLY, THEN WE COME BACK BEFORE TO BOARD AND, AND BRING THAT TO THE BOARD.
UM, AND JUST MY HISTORY WITH MR. TAYLOR AND LANDSCAPING, HE ALWAYS WINS.
YOU KNOW, WE, WE WILL KNOW, WE WILL WORK WITH HIM AND, AND COME UP WITH SOME SOLUTIONS, UM, IF THAT'S OKAY.
AND THEN THIS, AND THEN THE SECONDARY IS SORT OF THE NORTHERN PART OF THE SITE.
SO THAT LOCATION IS BEHIND THE EXISTING CEMETERY ON WHAT, 39.01 WHERE YOU'RE POINTING 28 9 0 1 28? NO, IT'S BEHIND, BEHIND 39 0 1.
SO THE LOCATION IS NOT SUBJECT OF THE APPLICATION.
SO THE BOUNDARY IS HERE AND WHAT'S IDENTIFIED IS THE, THIS CORNER, I THINK SOME, I THINK SOME OF IT EXTENDS ONTO THIS, ONTO THIS SITE.
THE TREE, BECAUSE THERE WAS PAVING THAT WASN'T ON YOUR APPROVED SITE PLAN IN THAT AREA.
THAT WAS NOT ON THE APPROVED PLAN.
SO THERE WAS CLEARING DONE ON THIS SITE AND THEN CLEARING DONE AND IT, IT WAS DONE, IT WAS ALL FOR, IT WAS ALL FOR FARM EQUIPMENT PARK FACTORY.
AND THEN THERE WEREN'T STOCKPILES FROM, OF EXCAVATED THAT WAS ALL FARM OPERATIONS AND NOT RELATED TO THE CEMETERY.
WELL, THAT'S WHERE DUKE DUMP, BUT THE SOIL THAT I'M TALKING ABOUT THAT WHERE WE PUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE WE PARK THE FARM PUT.
AND, AND YOUR EXCAVATORS FOR THE CEMETERY ARE PARKED BACK THERE, CORRECT? YES.
WELL, THEY'RE ACTUALLY RIGHT ON THE EDGE OF THE PROPERTY.
AND THE SHED THAT'S BACK THERE IS USED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE CEMETERY ALSO? NO, THE FARM.
SO THERE'S SOME FARM, THERE'S SOME CEMETERY ACTIVITY YEAH.
I IT OFF SOME, I I'M, I JUST WANT TO GET IT CLEAR BECAUSE YOU, YOU, YOU DIDN'T HAVE APPROVALS FOR THAT.
SOME OF IT MAY HAVE BEEN WITHIN THE WETLANDS AREA.
I'M NOT, I KNOW WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE BECAUSE
UM, SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ANY OF THAT THAT'S ASSOCIATED WITH THE CEMETERY USE WILL BE ELIMINATED FROM THOSE AREAS THAT WERE NOT PREVIOUSLY APPROVED ON YOUR SITE PLAN.
AND THEY WILL BE RELOCATED AND ONLY FARMING ACTIVITIES YEP.
WILL OCCUR ON THAT LOSS PURPOSE OF THE, UM, AND I THINK THE REMAINING COMMENTS EIGHT THROUGH 12 ARE RELATIVELY SELF-EXPLANATORY.
I DON'T KNOW IF THE BOARD OR THE PPLICANT IS ANY NO, WE, WE DON'T TAKE ANY EXCEPTION TO THOSE.
SO THE ONLY DISCUSSION POINTS ARE THE BIKE RACK, UH, THE SIDEWALK, AND THEN OBVIOUSLY ARE DISCUSSION WITH REGARDS TO LANDSCAPING AND TREE COPIES, TREE COMPENSATION AND THE ARCHITECTURE.
YOU READY FOR ME? I'M YOU'RE UP.
MY LETTER IS DATED, UH, MAY 15TH.
THE FIRST ITEM WE TALKED SOMEWHAT ABOUT WAS THE SUBMISSION WAIVERS.
THERE'S FIVE SUBMISSION WAIVERS AS PART OF THE PRELIMINARY MAJOR SITE CLAIM CHECKLIST.
MUNICIPAL SERVICES AND UTILITIES IMPACT STATEMENT, UH, COMPOSITE ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS MAP, ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, CULTURAL RESOURCE INVENTORY AND HISTORICAL IMPACT STATEMENT.
SOME OF THESE ARE NOT REQUIRED SINCE THEY'RE NOT IN THE PINE LANDS.
AND, UH, THE CULTURAL RESOURCE INVENTORY IS NOT REQUIRED SINCE IT'S NOT IN THE PINELANDS.
WE DID RECEIVE A, UM, PESTICIDE SAMPLING REPORT, WHICH SHOWED THAT THE ARSENIC HAD LEAD AND PRIOR POLLUTANT PESTICIDES WERE BELOW THE, UH, THE STATE LEVEL.
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AND THERE'S ONE RELATIVE RELATED TO THE MAJOR FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN CHECKLIST, WHICH WAS LETTERS FROM UTILITY COMPANIES, ET CETERA.UH, SHOWING THAT SERVICES CAN BE PROVIDED THROUGH THE TRACK.
AND THIS WAIVER IS RECOMMENDED SUBJECT TO THE APPLICANT PROVIDING NEWSLETTERS WHEN THEY'RE AVAILABLE.
WE HAD RECOMMENDED A NIGHTLIGHT FUNCTION TEST, UH, PRIOR TO ISSUANCE OF A CO MAKE SURE THAT THE UH, SITE MEETS THE ORDINANCE REQUIREMENTS AND THE SITE PLAN REQUIREMENTS TALKS ABOUT THE PUMP STATION AND THE GENERATOR SEAL ATTEMPT TO INCREASE THE, UH, CAPACITY OF THE, UH, PUMP STATION.
WE WILL, WE WILL INCREASE THE STORAGE CAPACITY.
OKAY, SO YOU WON'T NEED A GENERATOR THEN? NO.
AND WE'LL DO DUAL PUMP ON THAT AS WELL, CHRIS, AS AS YOU RECORD.
AND YOU NEED PERMISSION FROM UH, LOT 39.05 ADJACENT, USED TO BE THE ICE RINK TO USE TO HOOK INTO THEIR SYSTEM.
CORRECT MR. AND YOU NEED STALL SEWER PERMIT.
MR. STALL, ALL FRED TALKED ABOUT.
I THINK HE CAME WITH THE LOT FURNACE TOO.
I'M SORRY, I THOUGHT THE LOT CAME WITH INTO SEWER PERMITS.
NOBODY ELSE COULD, BUT HE DID.
UM, DO YOU, CAN YOU TALK ABOUT THE 20 FOOT WIDE EMERGENCY ACCESS EASEMENT BENEFITING LAP BENEFITING LAP 20.02? YEAH, THAT WAS A SUBJECT OF A MEETING THAT I HAD HAD WITH CHIEF DOVEY.
UM, HE ASKED, UH, IF IN THE FUTURE RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT, UH, FOR THE FOURTH ROUND HOUSING, UH, PROJECT, WHICH
SO WE CAME UP WITH THE IDEA OF JUST USING THE COMMON ACCESS DRIVE THROUGH HERE AND THEN JUST ALLOW HIM TO COME THROUGH AND CONNECT THE DEVELOPMENT IN THE BACK.
THAT WAS CHIEF
DON'T, AND I SAID I COULD ACCOMMODATE THAT IF, DID HE REQUEST THAT OR DID YOU GO TO HIM? NO, BECAUSE WEREN'T YOU ORIGINALLY GONNA TRY TO ACCESS YOUR SITE ALONG THE BACK HERE IN THAT BUFFER AREA ON THE, ON THE REDEVELOPMENT SIDE? NO.
CHIEF DOBY SCOTT'S REFERRING TO CROSSING THE WETLANDS TO GET TO THE TRIAL ATER SITE.
AT THE REAR OF THIS SITE, JUST ON THE KIRBY SITE, YOU HAD REQUESTED ELIMINATION OF THE 50 FOOT WIDE BUFFER SO YOU COULD CIRCULATE FROM YOUR CEMETERY ALONG THE BACKSIDE OF YOUR PROPERTY THERE.
I'M NOT FAMILIAR WITH THAT, BUT I'M, MAYBE I'M JUST DRAWING A BLANK 'CAUSE I'M CONFUSED.
WE HAD A CONVERSATION AND YOU HAD SAID YOU WANTED TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS AND DRIVE, NOT YOUR INTERNAL ROADS, BUT DRIVE THROUGH THE KIRBY'S NO ESTATES BUFFER.
YOU HAD ASKED FOR NUMBER
AND THEN I THINK THAT'S WHEN YOU WENT TO CHIEF DOUG AND SAID, DO YOU WANT, I WANT COME THROUGH HERE.
DO YOU WANT ALSO ME BE ABLE TO DO NO, I MEAN, UH, THAT WAS MY UNDERSTANDING.
IT, IT WAS CORRECT THAT I WANTED TO GET ACCESS.
SO THIS PROPERTY LINE HERE THROUGH HERE, I HAD NOT PLANNED THE MUZZLE IN BECAUSE THIS ONE GRADE HERE IS REALLY CLOSE.
SO I GOT RID OF THIS IDEA AND THEN I WENT TO CHIEF DOBY AND ASKED HIM HIS OPINION ON THE PROJECTS.
HE SAYS, COULD YOU GET ME AN ACCESS WAY THROUGH HERE? I DID TALK TO CHIEF DOBY ABOUT THAT BEFORE.
I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S BEFORE THAT DISCUSSION ON THE OTHER ONE, BUT WHEN WE WERE LOOKING AT THE ORIGINAL PLAN FOR LANDINGS AND, UH, CHIEF DOBY WAS CONCERNED ABOUT JUST THE ONE ACCESS.
SO THAT'S WHAT WE TALKED ABOUT, SCOTT.
I WAS ORIGINALLY PROPOSING TO,
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SO I WOULDN'T HAVE TO TAKE THE DUMP TRUCKS OUT ONTO THE FOSTER TOWN ROAD RIGHT HERE ON THIS EXPANSION.I DIDN'T HAVE A ROAD BLADE RIGHT HERE ON THIS.
SO I WAS REALLY GONNA TELL T HORTON THAT I NEEDED ACCESS FROM HERE.
SO ORIGINALLY WE, ON THE PLAN, WE CREATED AN EASEMENT, UM, BUT THEN YOU WANTED A CERTAIN AMOUNT OF BUFFERING.
SO I REMOVED THAT ACCESS POINT.
BUT THEN WHEN I MET WITH CHIEF DOVEY, HE ASKED FOR A SECOND ACCESS POINT IN CASE OF AN EMERGENCY.
SO THAT'LL CUT THROUGH THE BUFFER.
SO THERE'LL BE A GAP IN THAT BUFFER THAT COULD BE FENCED GATE.
OR IF, IF WE GO OUT THE BACK THROUGH INGER, THEN WE, THAT'S NOT NEEDED.
AND THEN WE CAN FILL IN THE BUFFER IF YOU'D LIKE.
CONTINUING ON
STORM WATER RE UH, COMMENTS ARE THE, UH, THE MEET THE TOWNSHIP ORDINANCE AND THE STATE REGULATIONS REGARDING RATE AND VOLUME RUNOFF AND GROUNDWATER RECHARGE.
THERE WILL BE A MECHANISM FOR ENSURING LONG-TERM MAINTENANCE OF THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT SYSTEM.
THEY HAVE PRO PROVIDED A, UH, STORMWATER FACILITY OPERATIONS AND MAINTENANCE MANUAL AND THEY'LL PROVIDE AN AS-BUILT OF THE STORMWATER SYSTEM ONCE IT'S CONSTRUCTED.
AND LEMME SEE IF I, ON THE LOCK CONSOLIDATION, YOU'LL NEED TO PROVIDE A DEED AND DESCRIPTION FOR REVIEW FOR ME AND THE, UH, BOARD ATTORNEY.
UM, DOES ANYBODY ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I HAVE SOME QUESTIONS.
UM, THE GATED ENTRANCES THAT EXIST ENTERING, I'M, I'M GONNA CALL IT THE PARKING LOT ON THE, IS THAT THE, THE SERVICE WEST SIDE OF, OF YOUR, OF YOUR NEW ACCESS AREA? YES, THE SOUTH SIDE.
WHERE DOES THE CARETAKER IS? THEIR SPOTS ARE WITHIN THAT GATED AREA.
UM, PARKED YOU MEAN PARKED? YEAH.
THEY, WHERE WOULD THEY PARK? THEY'D PARK IN THE GARAGE.
SO, UM, I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE HOW LARGE OF A STORAGE FACILITY YOU'RE DISCUSSING, BUT WHAT'S YOUR CURRENT THROUGHPUT ON, ON SOIL STORAGE AND HOW DOES IT, HOW DOES IT WORK NOW? WE DO ABOUT A HUNDRED BURIALS A YEAR.
SO YOU'RE TAKING ABOUT A YARD OF SOIL OUT OF THE GROUND.
SO IT'S A HUNDRED YARDS A YEAR.
AND RIGHT NOW WHERE SCOTT HAS IDENTIFIED, THAT'S WHERE WE DUMP IT.
SO WE WOULD FILL UP THE BIN AND THEN BRING A DRY AXLE IN OR SOMETHING THAT WE WOULD LOAD AND MOVE THE SOIL OUT SO WE CAN REUSE THE SPACE IN THE SOIL.
AND BASED OFF THE BIN SIZE AND, AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR THROUGHPUT, HOW OFTEN DOES THAT PROCESS TAKE PLACE OF, OF REMOVAL? IT'D BE 10 TRUCKS A YEAR.
I DIDN'T HEAR THE RESPONSE ON WHERE THE RESIDENT PARKS INSIDE, INSIDE THE BUILDING IN THE GARAGE.
SO YOU'RE GONNA OCCUPY THE CARETAKER? I'M THE CARETAKER.
THERE'S, THERE IS A CARETAKER UNIT ALREADY IN THE EXISTING CEMETERY.
SO THAT WILL BE OCCUPIED BY ANOTHER THAT, THAT'S HER CREMATORY OPERATOR.
I'VE BEEN THERE, BUT THERE'S NOT, SO THERE'S NOT ACTUALLY A, THE GARAGE, YOU'RE JUST GONNA USE ONE OF THE WAREHOUSE YOU'RE GONNA PARK IN THE WAREHOUSE SPACE.
BUT JOHN ACCURATELY IDENTIFIED THAT THERE'S A GATE IN THE FRONT OF THE CEMETERY, BUT SOMETIMES THE GATE DOESN'T GET SHUT BECAUSE PEOPLE COME TO VISIT THEIR LOVED ONES IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT AND THEY OPEN THE GATE.
SO THIS, THIS DESIGN IS, IS THAT YOU CAN ACTUALLY PULL IT HERE AND JUST DRIVE TO THE PARKING LOT IF I HAVE A GUEST AND THEN THEY CAN JUST WALK THROUGH THE ROOM PARK RIGHT HERE.
SO WHAT'S THE PURPOSE OF THAT GATE?
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KEEPS THE HONEST PEOPLE OUT.I MEAN, 'CAUSE THEY WOULD STILL HAVE ACCESS THROUGH THE COMMON DRIVE TO THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING.
THAT, THAT'S UN UN UNPROTECTED RIGHT NOW.
THE, UH, GENTLEMAN WHO OWNS THE BUILDING, WHO I'M VERY CLOSE WITH, UH, HAS A GATE THERE.
BUT HE KNOWS THAT, THAT THAT GATE HAS TO GO AWAY.
SO WE COULD JUST PARK ON THE BACKSIDE OF THE BUILDING RIGHT HERE.
YOU GOT A WALL 60 FEET IN THE FRONT.
SO I WOULD JUST HIT THE GARAGE DOOR OPEN.
SOME I AM A DIFFERENT TYPE GUY.
IS THERE ANY, UM, POINT IN WHICH, AND I'LL JUST USE THE FRONT PAGE HERE, THAT THESE, ONCE THESE SQUARES WOULD BE REMOVED AND THEN ENGRAVED AND THE BACK, IS THAT THE, THE CONCEPT? YEAH.
AND, AND YOU TAKE THE EXISTING SQUARE, GET IT ENGRAVED AND, AND PUT IT BACK WHERE THERE'S SOME SORT OF EXCHANGE.
BUT, BUT THIS WILL BE THE CONSISTENT FACADE.
IF THERE'S NOT, I DON'T, IF I WAS TO BUY A CRYPTO, I CAN'T BRING MY OWN OR CHOOSE A COLOR.
BECAUSE THAT'S CUT OUT OF A MOUNTAIN IN ITALY AND, AND I ONLY GET ONE OF 'EM.
SO I DON'T EVEN ALLOW THAT MARBLE OR THAT GRANITE TO BE TAKEN OFF SITE.
WHICH WILL BE PART OF THAT IN THAT OPERATION OF THE BUILDING.
WALK US THROUGH, AND I'M GONNA CALL THEM PLOTS.
THE PLOT SIZE VARIANCE BETWEEN THE NEW PLOTS PROPOSED IN FRONT OF THE EXTERNAL MAUSOLEUM AND WHAT EXISTS NOW AND IS PROPOSED IN FUTURE SITES TO THE NORTH.
I GUESS I'M NOT GOOD AT, UH, WELL, WEST.
SO WHAT, WHAT'S THE FUNCTION OF THE SMALLER PLOT, THEREFORE CREMATED HUMAN REMAINS.
AND DOES THAT EXIST ANYWHERE ELSE ON YOUR, ON YOUR PROPERTY? YES.
WHERE I HAVE CERTAIN IRRIGATION LINES TO FACILITATE THE GREEN LAWN.
I CAN'T GET A FULL 10 FOOT WIDE GRAVE OR LONG GRAVE.
AND THEY'RE ALL 39 INCHES WIDE.
AND, AND AND DO THEY HAVE A FORM OF HEADSTONE OR WE ALLOW, WE ALLOW THE GRAVE ACT PLOT.
THESE ARE GREAT QUESTIONS, MIKE.
THE THE GRAVE PLOT, ACTUALLY THE VAULT TAKES UP ABOUT SEVEN FEET, THREE INCHES OF THE 10 FEET.
BUT YOU NEED A LITTLE BIT OF EXTRA TO GET THE VAULT INTO THE GROUND.
SO WE THEN WANT THE VIRGIN GROUND UNDERNEATH THE HEADSTONE SO THE HEADSTONE DOESN'T SETTLE AND MOVE BACK AND FORTH.
SO WE NEED, WE, WE ALLOT 10 FEET AND WE'RE ACTUALLY THINKING ABOUT ALLOWING EVEN 12 FEET SO I CAN GET THE MACHINES IN EASIER.
IT'S NOT ABOUT HOW MUCH, HOW MANY GRAVES YOU GET.
IT'S ABOUT OPERATIONS NOW AND IN AND IN THESE SMALLER CRYPT OR CREM, CREMATED HUMAN REMAINS.
WHAT'S THE, WHAT'S THE, WHAT ARE ALL THOSE DELTAS? SO IF IT'S A 10 WITH A SEVEN, SIX, WHAT HAPPENS HERE? UH, IN A CREMATION GRAVE, IT MAY ONLY BE EIGHT FOOT WIDE.
WE STILL ALLOW THEM FOR A HEADSTONE.
BUT WE ALLOW FOUR CREMATED RIG REMAINS IN ONE GRAVE.
WE DON'T HAVE TO OPEN UP A FULL GRAVE AND GO DOWN 80 INCHES TO BURY SOMEBODY.
AND AND EACH PLOT HAS, ITS A SINGLE HEADSTONE.
AND THEN WE PUT A LARGER HEADSTONE IF THEY WOULD LIKE OVER THE CENTER OF THE TWO PLOTS, AND THEN WE COULD PROVIDE, UH, FOUR BURIALS TOTAL.
TWO FULL OR ONE FULL AND ONE CREMATION.
OR THEY BUY AN EXTRA CREMATION.
AS MANY CREMATIONS AS THEY WANT.
AND I'M GOING TO TRY DIRECTIONS AGAIN, THE EXTERNAL MAUSOLEUM THAT THAT YOU HAD MENTIONED THAT YOU ADDED THAT TOP L PIECE, THE REAR OF THAT WOOD FACE, THE NEW RESIDENCE YES.
WHAT'S THE REAR SIDE OF THE, OF OF IT LOOK LIKE IT'S CONCRETE.
WE WOULD PAINT IT, BUT WE'VE ALREADY ADDED 36 ARBOR IE.
ON THE, AND THAT'S ON THE KIRBY? WELL, NO, THAT, THAT'S JUST ON OUR SIDE.
THEN THE KIRBY'S MILL LANDINGS AT KIRBY'S MILLS IS GONNA HAVE THEIR OWN 50 FOOT BUFFER.
SO WE ACTUALLY, WE AGREED TO SUPPLEMENT THAT RESIDENTIAL BUFFER AS WELL.
WE DISCUSSED PEDESTRIAN CONNECTIONS THROUGH THE PROPERTY.
IN LIEU OF A TRADITIONAL SIDEWALK.
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I KNOW YOU, YOU HAD MENTIONED IT BRIEFLY, BUT IF, IF CHIEF TOBY'S REQUEST IS GRANTED TO HAVE ACCESS ON THAT COMMON DRIVE INTO THE NEW RESIDENTIAL ZONE TO ALLOW, UM, EMERGENCY VEHICLES TO COME THROUGH, WHAT, WHAT PREVENTS A RESIDENT FROM USING THAT AS A DRIVE OUT? SO I THINK, I THINK WHAT WE WOULD PROBABLY DO ON THAT FUTURE APPLICATION, 'CAUSE THERE IS A REQUIREMENT FOR A CONTINUOUS BURN AND BUFFER WHERE THERE IS A 12 OR 15 FOOT GAP THERE, A SIX OR EIGHT FOOT HIGH FENCE WITH A KNOTS BOX COULD, SO THERE'S STILL SOME BUFFERING IN THAT LOCATION, BUT FIRE FOLKS, EMERGENCY FOLKS COULD GET THERE EITHER BOLT CUT, USE THEIR KEY AND BE ABLE TO GET EMERGENCY ACCESS THROUGH THERE.BUT I, I SUSPECT, AND I, I THINK I MENTIONED THAT TO THE PROSPECTIVE LEAD DEVELOPER, BECAUSE WHAT THEY'RE NOT GONNA WANT IS TO HAVE INDUSTRIAL TRUCK TRAFFIC AND OTHER TRAFFIC COMING THROUGH HERE AND HEADLIGHTS SORT OF SHINING THROUGH THERE.
SO DOING SOMETHING THAT'LL FACILITATE THE EMERGENCY ACCESS BUT STILL HAVE SOME BUFFERING, LIKE A SOLID FENCE.
I WOULD SUSPECT THAT IT WON'T BE PAID.
IF ANYTHING, IT MAY BE LIKE GEO GEO MAT OR SOMETHING.
LIKE A A, A REINFORCED TURF PAVEMENT THAT'LL SUPPORT FIRE TRUCK LOADING, BUT STILL BE GREED AND NOT HAVE RESIDENTS TRYING TO SNEAK OUT THAT WAY.
AND YOU KNOW, WE WOULDN'T WANT AS, ESPECIALLY IF THAT GATE DOES REMAIN OPEN AT CERTAIN HOURS, WE WOULDN'T WANT PEOPLE DRIVING THROUGH YOUR CEMETERY.
NO, DEFINITELY THE INTERFACE OF COMMER OF INDUSTRIAL WITH COMMERCIAL IS JUST NOT A GREAT MIX WITH TRUCK MOVEMENTS AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO HAVING THAT SEPARATE IS GONNA BE IMPORTANT.
SEEING THAT THERE'S, UH, NO QUESTION, I WILL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
SO DO WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE IT? WELL, WE DIDN'T MOVE TO OPEN IT, SO I SHOULD, YOU KNOW, I SHOULDN'T, THERE'S NO ONE HERE.
THAT BEING SAID, DOES ANYBODY ELSE HAVE ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? UH, MOTION.
SO MOVED TO APPROVE, WELL, TO APPROVE WITH THE, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTIONS.
WITH THE EXCEPTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN OUTLINED BY THE PROFESSIONALS.
WORK WITH THEM ON THE IS THE COLOR THAT YOU WANTED? WELL, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IS IS THE BOARD DOES THE BOARD, I MEAN, I KNOW I LIKE THE ONE ON THE COVER BETTER, BUT THEN I'M JUST ONE PERSON, YOU KNOW, IF ANYBODY LIKES THE OTHER, I AGREE WITH YOU.
SO WITH THAT, SO I'M COLORBLIND, SO I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU GUYS.
WELL, THAT, THAT IS ONE QUESTION ABOUT THE COLOR.
I MEAN, THE POLE BAR COMES IN LIMITED COLORS AND YOU, YOU, YOU'RE GONNA TRY TO BALANCE THE COLORS OF THE POLE BARN WITH THE, UH, YOU KNOW, WALL HERE CAN TELL IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT.
BUT I, I I GUESS WHAT I'M SAYING IS WHAT CAN YOU PROMISE IS AS FAR AS A COLOR MATCH BETWEEN THAT AND THE UH, WELL, THAT MR. TAYLOR, YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT ALMOST ALL OF THESE MANUFACTURERS OFFER SOME SORT OF TONE COLORS IN THE TANS AND BROWNS RANGE.
THERE IS SORT OF AN INHERENT DICHOTOMY, UM, BETWEEN THE EXISTING BUILDING AND THEN THE CRIPS THEMSELVES ARE BLUE AND BLACK.
AND WE HAVE A SIMILAR CONDITION HERE.
SO I THINK HAVING SOME TANS AND BROWNS FOR THIS BUILDING AGAIN, TO LET IT SORT OF RECEDE AND ALMOST LOOK LIKE A FARM OR AG BUILDING, BUT THAT RECEDE BEHIND THE LANDSCAPE.
LET THE CRIPS AND THE MAIN SE CEMETERY BUILDING BE THE PROMINENT PIECES OF ARCHITECTURE.
I MEAN, YOU, YOU BRING THAT STONE ALL THE WAY FROM ITALY AND IT'S A VERY PRECIOUS STONE.
YOU HAVE A POLE MARK BEHIND IT, WHICH, WELL, YOU KNOW WHAT, YOU GET WHAT YOU GET, I GUESS.
UH, I WON'T DRIVE, BUT, UH, I JUST KNOW THAT THERE'S LIMITED COLORS YOU CAN GET WITH THE POLE BARN, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, IT LOOKS GOOD ON PAPER, BUT I GUESS THAT'S, THAT'S THE CHANCE THE APPLICANT'S GOING TO TAKE.
SO, SO THE MOTION WOULD BE TO, TO APPROVE IT WITH THE TREES THAT MR. TAYLOR WOULD AGREE UPON WITH THE, WITH THE APPLICANT.
THEY'D, THEY'D HAVE TO WORK WITH THE PRO PROFESSIONALS ON THE ITEMS WE'VE DISCUSSED.
TREES, I GUESS THE COLOR, THE LANDSCAPING, THE LOCATION EXTENT.
YOU HAVE A RANGE OF COLORS FOR THE POLE BARN THAT'LL, I THINK SCOTT IS CLEAR ON.
WE'LL TRY TO ARRIVE AT SOMETHING
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THAT'S APPROPRIATE.WE HAD A QUESTION ABOUT A BIKE RACK BEFORE.
ARE WE DOING PAYMENT IN LIEU OF THE SIDEWALK INFLATION? OH, OH YEAH.
I THINK THERE ARE BETTER PLACES IN SIDEWALK.
I CAN THINK OF QUITE A FEW TOO.
SO WOULD THAT JUST RATHER, WELL, I THINK IT'S ONE OTHER QUESTION THOUGH.
DO, AM I RIGHT ABOUT THE BIKE RACK? YOU DON'T WANNA DO ONE? WE DON'T WANNA PUT A BIKE RACK IN.
THEIR TESTIMONY IS THEY DON'T HAVE EMPLOYEES THAT RIDE THEIR BIKE WORK.
WE SEE A LOT OF INDUSTRIAL USES WHERE OBVIOUSLY CUSTOMERS AND YOUR CUSTOMERS AREN'T RIDING BOATS
BUT WE DO SEE ON A LOT OF, UH, OTHER INDUSTRIAL BUILDINGS WHERE A HANDFUL OF FOLKS THAT WORK THERE DON'T, DON'T HAVE CARS.
IF, IF THAT'S PART OF THE MOTION.
NO BIKE RACK AND I THINK THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
SO HOW WOULD MR HOW WOULD I, HOW DO YOU WANT ME TO, WELL, AS, AS WE JUST DISCUSSED AND, AND THE RESOLUTION OF THOSE ITEMS THAT WE JUST MENTIONED, WHICH WERE CALLED THAT IN THE BOARD PLANNER'S LETTER, THE APPLICANT'S ALSO AGREED TO COMPLETE WITH ALL THE OTHER, COMPLY WITH ALL THE OTHER CONDITIONS AND THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF BOTH BOARD PROFESSIONALS IN THEIR REVIEW LETTERS.
SO WITH THAT, IT WOULD BE A MOTION APPROVED SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL BASED ON THAT.
DO I HAVE A MOTION? SO I OFFER A MOTION BASED ON THOSE? I'LL SECOND IT.
I HOPE I'M NOT A CUSTOMER ANYTIME SOON.
PEOPLE ARE DYING TO SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
YOU'RE THE ONE GUY, I'M LIKE, YEAH.
I DON'T WANNA BE A CUSTOMER TO THAT GUY.
AND I HAD THIS BEAUTIFUL SUMMATION ALL READY TO GO
UM, I GUESS AT THIS POINT, THIS POINT, THERE'S NO GENERAL PUBLIC.
SO DID YOU DO THAT? UH, DO I HAVE A MOTION? AJOUR TO ADJOURN? SECONDED.