* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. GOOD. OKAY. [00:00:01] GOOD EVENING EVERYONE. WELCOME TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026 MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING PURSUANT TO THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN GIVEN TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES, HAS BEEN PROMINENTLY POSTED ON THE BULLETIN BOARD IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, AND ON THE OFFICIAL WEBSITE OF MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND FILED WITH THE CLERK'S OFFICE ON FEBRUARY 12TH, 2026. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAVING BEEN PROVIDED. OKAY. CAN EVERYONE PLEASE THE FLAG AND PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE PUBLIC FOR WHICH HE STANDS? ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE LIBERTY. OKAY, ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. MARON? HERE. MR. KOS? HERE. MR. GEN TAYLOR? HERE. MR. PANEL? HERE. MR. HACKETT? HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN. RICK AND CHAIR. ONE MORE NUMBER HERE. THANK YOU. [5. Executive Session (Regarding Professional Board Appointments)] OKAY. UM, WE NEED A MOTION AT THIS TIME TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION REGARDING PROFESSIONAL BOARD APPOINTMENTS. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. FAVOR? BACK FROM EXECUTIVE. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT THE BOARD ATTORNEY PLEASE? MOTION TO APPOINT SECOND. YOU DO A PHONE CALL? SURE. MR. MORRISON? AYE. MRS. ? AYE. MRS. ? AYE. MR. KEN? AYE. MR. HACKETT AYE. AND CHAIR . AYE. THANK YOU. HEY, UH, MOVING [6. Memorialization of Resolutions] INTO MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION 2026 DASH SEVEN APPOINTING MALMAN AND ASSOCIATES, UH, AS BOARD ATTORNEY I HAVE A, UM, MOTION. MOTION. SECOND. MR. MARSON AYE. MR. AYE. MR. GENTILLY AYE. MR. AYE, MR. HACKETT AYE. AND CHAIRMAN MANO AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, WELCOME. THANK YOUR HONOR. APPRECIATE IT. OKAY. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH EIGHT RYAN LINGE 11 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 4. LOT SIX APPROVING BULK VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT YARD AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS, BUILDING COVERAGE AND LOT COVERAGE TO ENC. CLOSE THE CARPORT AT A SECOND STORY AND A PATIO TO THE RESIDENTIAL DWELLING MOTION. SO MOVE. SECOND. ROLL CALL MRS. OVERPOST. AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MR. OLL? YEAH. MR. ACK, MS. BE HACKETT. AYE. MADAM CHAIR ON BILL. AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH NINE LISA POST 20 FALL VIEW DRIVE BLOCK 27 0 1 0 1 LOT 45 APPROVING A BOTH VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT AN 11 AND A HALF BY 25 FOOT FRONT PORCH. MOTION PLEASE. MOTION. SECOND ROLL CALL. MRS. EZ. AYE. MR. A GENTILLY? AYE. MR. AYE, MR. HACKETT? AYE. MADAM CHAIR ON BOTH. AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH 10 ADAM AND ELIZABETH HILL THREE 50 FAIRVIEW DRIVE BLOCK 55 0 7 0 2 LOT TWO APPROVING A BOTH VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE DWELLING. WE HAVE A MOTION PLEASE. MOTION. SECOND ROLL CALL. MR. . AYE. MR. VENT? AYE. MR. PENS? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE THAT YOUR OWN MOTION? AYE NO MINUTES, NO REPORTS? WE HAVE CORRESPONDENCE? [9. Correspondence] YES, I GOT ANOTHER EMAIL REGARDING, UM, THE, I APOLOGIZE. THE EASTERN WIRELESS INFRASTRUCTURE, UM, APPLICATION BEING CARRIED TO THE MARCH MEETING WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE. WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE. OKAY. SO WAS THEIR REQUEST, UM, OKAY. DO WE HAVE TO, WELL, ASSUMING YOU HAVE, YOU'RE GONNA CARRY TO A SPECIFIC DATE WE ANNOUNCED TONIGHT PUBLICLY THAT IT'S GONNA BE HEARD ON THAT DATE, WHATEVER. IT'S OKAY. THEN THE APPLICANT WOULD NOT HAVE TO ISSUE REISSUE PUBLISHED NOTICE. OKAY. AND THEN WE NEED A MOTION TO CARRY IT. YES. OKAY. IT HAVE TO BE, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE TO AGREE TO CARRY. [00:05:01] OKAY. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO CARRY? THANK YOU. THAT PLEASE? SECOND. SECOND PLEASE. ROLL CALL MR. MORRISON. AYE. MRS. ? AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MS. OTEN? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. AND THEN CHAIR BOTH. AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO IF ANYONE'S HERE FOR THE, UM, EASTERN WIRELESS APPLICATION, THAT APPLICATION'S NOW GOING TO BE CARRIED TO THE NEXT MEETING, WHICH IS MARCH 18TH. OKAY. MOVING INTO APPLICATIONS [10. Applications] FOR THE NIGHT, JASON KLEINMAN THREE QUAIL RIDGE COURT BLOCK 53 0 1 0 1, LOT 32 0 5, SEEKING A BOTH VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT A 40 BY 40 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHERE THE MAXIMUM DECK PERMITTED IS 24 FEET. ALL GOOD EVENING. GOOD EVENING. UH, LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, UH, OF THE BOARD, MELANIE LEVI, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU CAN HEAR ME. I AM FROM ER COHEN, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR JASON KLEINMAN. UM, YOU'LL REMEMBER THIS APPLICATION FROM LAST MONTH. MR. KLEIMAN, YOU'RE STILL UNDER OATH. DOES THE BOARD WANT HIM TO BE RE SWORN OR JUST, UM, REMINDER THAT YOU'RE STILL UNDER OATH AND EVERYTHING YOU SAY WILL BE, UM, UH, SWORN TESTIMONY? YES, THAT'S FINE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. SO, UM, THE BOARD MIGHT REMEMBER FROM LAST MONTH, WE ARE HERE FOR AN APPLICATION TO BUILD A, UH, GARAGE ON THE PROPERTY. THERE ARE SEVERAL VARIANCES WE NEED. UM, WE WON'T REPEAT OURSELVES AND ALL OF THE TESTIMONY FROM LAST MONTH UNLESS THE BOARD, UM, YOU KNOW, HAS A SPECIFIC QUESTION ABOUT THAT. BUT YOU'LL RECALL AT THE END OF THE PRESENTATION, THE BOARD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE AND WE ASKED FOR AN ADJOURNMENT SO THAT WE COULD, UM, SUBMIT FURTHER OR, UM, MODIFIED PLANS THAT SHOWED A SMALLER GARAGE THAT PERHAPS WOULD BE, UM, MORE IN KEEPING WITH WHAT THE BOARD WANTED TO SEE. SO WE DID SUBMIT A, UM, PROPOSED GARAGE THAT WAS, AND UH, JASON HERE, I'M GONNA HAVE YOU COME AND GIVE SOME TESTIMONY. SURE. SO TELL THE BOARD, UM, THE, THE PROPOSED GARAGE. NEW SIZE PLEASE. SURE. SO PREVIOUSLY WHAT WE WERE ASKING FOR WAS A 40 BY 40 BY 12. UM, I'VE REDUCED THE SIZE, UM, TO A 32 BY 40. THE 32 FOOT WIDE, YOU KNOW IT WHAT'S FACING THE ROAD. UM, SO IT'S SMALLER, UH, YOU KNOW, FROM THE STREET VIEW. UM, SOMETHING ELSE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WAS THE SIZE OF THE DOORS. SO I'VE REDUCED THEM AS WELL, BOTH IN HEIGHT AS WELL AS WIDTH. UM, ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS FOR DOOR SIZE. UH, PREVIOUSLY IT WAS TWO 16 BY 10 DOORS. UM, I ACTUALLY HAVE TWO DIFFERENT PROPOSALS AND I'M OKAY WITH WHATEVER THE BOARD ULTIMATELY DECIDES. UM, ONE WAS TWO SAME SIZE DOORS AND THEY WERE, NOW I'M FORGETTING . WELL, WE HAVE IT DOWN. WE ALSO SUBMITTED, WELL THIS IS, UM, SHOWING IT AS 10 BY 19 AND 16 BY 19 DOORS. SO THESE ARE THE ONES THAT ARE SLIGHTLY OKAY. DIFFERENT IN SIZE. UM, AND THEN THIS IS, THIS IS NEW BY THE WAY. THIS IS NEW. THEY WERE SUBMITTED AFTER OUR LAST MEETING, UM, TO THE BOARD. SO IF WE WANNA PUT THEM IN AS AN EXHIBIT, WE CAN WELL, THEY'RE IN AS LONG AS THEY'RE WITH THE BOARD THAT'S, THEY'RE WITH THE BOARD ALREADY, IS MY UNDERSTANDING. THE BOARD. YOU HAVE IT? YEAH, WE CAN MARK IT, WE CAN MARK IT AS AN EXHIBIT TONIGHT IF WE WANT. WE WOULD JUST MAKE IT A, LET'S MAKE IT A ONE. THIS WILL BE A ONE FEBRUARY 18TH, 2026. WE CAN DO THAT. I'LL MARK IT RIGHT ON HERE. UM, THAT'S FINE. SO, OOPS, SORRY. SO WELL, AND I WANTED TO, UM, TO SAY TO THE BOARD AS WELL, SO YOU HAVE IT AT 32 BY 40, CORRECT? IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SO 32 IS THE WIDTH AND 40 IS THE DEPTH? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THE OTHER, UM, DOCUMENTS OR THE OTHER, UM, VISUALS WE GAVE THE BOARD WERE TO THE BOARD HAD EXPRESSED SOME CONCERN ABOUT WHAT THE GARAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM THE STREET AND SO YOU PROVIDED SOME, UM, MOCKUPS OF WHAT THAT WOULD LOOK LIKE FROM DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVES. IS THAT RIGHT? CORRECT. YEAH. I HAD THE PROPERTY IN THE GARAGE RENDERED 3D RENDERED. SO YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, FROM DIFFERENT VIEWS, UM, FROM THE STREET, FROM THE DRIVEWAY AND THEN FROM CLOSER TO THE HOUSE. AND SO WHAT WE HAVE HERE [00:10:01] IS THE GARAGE AT 60 FEET AND THIS IS AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY. SO THE WAY WE HAVE IT HERE IS YOU CAN SEE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE AND KIND OF THE VISUAL OF WHERE YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON THE SURVEY SO IT'S CLEAR. I'M JUST GONNA SET THIS. SO YEAH, SO THIS IS AT 60 FEET AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY LOOKING AT THE GARAGE, CORRECT? YES. CORRECT. SO QUESTION, SO I, SO AM I TO UNDERSTAND IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT AND LOOKING AT THIS, THAT YOU HAVE GRASS GOING UP TO THE RIGHT DOOR? IS THAT A LAWN? THERE IS, IF YOU CAN'T SEE 'CAUSE OF PERSPECTIVE, THERE'S AN APRON THERE THAT'S DESIGNATED ON THE ACTUAL SURVEY. THAT'S NOT WHAT I SEE HERE. I'M SORRY SIR. I'M NOT SURE WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT ON YOUR END. I'M LOOKING AT THE, UH, THE, THE GARAGE DOOR ON THE RIGHT. YEAH, THERE'S, IT'S, AND IT DOESN'T SHOW, UH, A PAVEMENT GOING UP TO THAT DOOR. IT, IT'S ARE ARE YOU TALKING THAT OVER HERE? YEAH. YES. IT, IT, IT'S THERE. IT'S HARD TO SEE 'CAUSE OF THE ANGLE AND IT IS DEPICTED ON THE PLAIN SURVEY. YOU CAN SEE THE APRON. SO SO THERE IS PAVEMENT GOING UP THE DOOR? YES. YEAH, THERE'S A, THERE'S AN APRON OUT FRONT OF THE, THE DOORS. MM-HMM . OKAY. AND UM, FRANKLY WHILE WE'RE ON THAT SUBJECT, HE HAS SOME OTHER, UM, SOME OTHER VIEWPOINTS YOU DO WANT SHOW THE BOARD, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO LANDSCAPING, MR. KLEINMAN, UM, YOU WOULD BE AMENABLE TO IMPROVING THIS WITH LANDSCAPING BETWEEN THE FENCE AND THE GARAGE, IS THAT RIGHT? ABSOLUTELY. UM, OR LANDSCAPING ON THE RIGHT SIDE IF THIS AS WELL? YEAH, I MEAN ULTIMATELY I'M, I AM WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THE, THE BOARD SUGGESTS. UM, I'M WILLING TO PLAN, YOU KNOW, NATIVE PLANTS OFF OF THE ACCEPTABLE, UH, THE LIST THAT WAS PROVIDED FROM ZONING OF, YOU KNOW, THE OBFUSCATED OR WHATEVER IS DEEMED NECESSARY. RIGHT. SO IN TERMS OF SOFTENING THIS, IN TERMS OF BLENDING IT INTO, YOU LIVE IN A WOODED LOT, CORRECT? LARGELY YOUR NEIGHBORHOOD IS, UM, YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR TO, UM, THE LEFT OVER HERE HAS A WOODED REAR, UH, LOT SIMILAR TO YOURS, CORRECT? YES. SO IN TERMS OF WHATEVER, UM, THE BOARD WOULD DEEM NECESSARY AS A CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THE, UM, INPUT AND APPROVAL OF YOUR PLANNER, WE WOULD BE OPEN, OF COURSE TO PUTTING IN A WHATEVER LANDSCAPING THE, THE BOARD AND THE BOARD PLANNER NEEDS APPROPRIATE. SO THE NEXT ONE, THERE WE GO. AND THIS IS, UM, WHAT THE BARRAGE WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE LOOKING AT IT ALL THE WAY FROM THE STREET, IS THAT CORRECT? YES. AT THE END OF YOUR DRIVEWAY? CORRECT. SO THIS WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY 200 FEET. UM, AND THIS WOULD BE, UM, LOOKING AT IT FROM THE STREET VIEW. SO THE GARAGE FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP OF IT IS APPROXIMATELY, UM, IS IT 16TH FEET FROM WHERE? FROM THE HEIGHT TO THE EVE? YEAH, IT WAS, I FORGET IT WAS RIGHT AROUND, IT WAS LIKE 17, IT WAS UNDER 18TH FEET. IT WAS 17. JUST UNDER 18TH FEET. YEAH, IT WAS LIKE 17 FEET AND CHANGE. AND YOUR HOUSE IS APPROXIMATELY, UH, IF YOU WERE TO GUESS WE WOULD PUT YOUR HOUSE AT 30 FEET TO 35 FEET HIGH? YEAH, ROUGHLY. ALRIGHT, SO THIS WOULD BE THE VISUAL FROM THE EDGE OF, OF THE STREET AND CAN YOU SEE THAT? UM, AND AGAIN, WHATEVER SOFTENING THE BOARD DES WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS AN IN OF APPROVAL WOULD CERTAINLY BE, UM, OB TO THAT. AND THEN THE LAST, THE LAST ONE, THE NEXT ONE IS THE VIEW FROM, UM, SAY AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. YEAH, THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, BUT NOT QUITE TO THE STREET LEVEL. SO THIS IS APPROXIMATELY 182 FEET. ALRIGHT, SO SIMILAR TO THE OTHER ONE. AGAIN, THIS IS WHAT IT WOULD LOOK LIKE IF YOU WERE ALMOST ON THE SIDEWALK. THERE WAS NO SIDEWALK. OH. BUT YEAH, IT THE SIDEWALK. OKAY. YEAH, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S IT. YEAH, THAT'S IT. SO THAT'S, UM, TO HELP THE BOARD, UM, MAYBE VISUALIZE WHAT THIS WOULD LOOK LIKE, UM, AS YOU ARE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, EITHER DRIVING BY, WALKING BY, OR IF YOU WERE COMING UP IN HERE SO THAT, UM, THERE COULD BE A LITTLE BIT BETTER PERSPECTIVE. AGAIN, THIS IS WITH THE GARAGE DOORS AT 10 BY NINE AND 16 BY NINE, WE ALSO HAVE, IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE SEAT, UM, BUT WITH THE GARAGE DOORS AT THE SAME WIDTH, THERE HAD BEEN SOME CONCERN AT THE PREVIOUS HEARING THAT THE GARAGE DOORS WERE, UM, SO CONCERNED ABOUT THE WAY, AND YOU CAN ALMOST LOOK THEM SIDE BY SIDE, WHICH MIGHT BE HELPFUL. SO THESE ARE DOORS THAT ARE THE SAME SIZE. THESE ARE DOORS WHERE ONE IS SLIGHTLY LARGER. IT'S A SMALL DIFFERENCE, BUT, UM, IF THE BOARD HAS ANY KIND OF PREFERENCE OVER ONE OR THE OTHER, UM, THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE A PARTICULAR PREFERENCE FOR EITHER OF THOSE. UM, IN ADDITION TO MAKING IT SMALLER AND, AND GIVING THE VISUAL, UM, AIDS AND THEN ALSO HAVING DIFFERENT DOORS, [00:15:01] THE BOARD MAY REMEMBER, AND HERE I'M GOING TO SLIP THAT UP. YEAH. THAT ONE OF THE ISSUES WAS HEIGHT OF THE PEAK TO THE BOTTOM. AND THE BOARD MIGHT REMEMBER OR RECALL THAT WE HAD PROPOSED A ROOF THAT WAS 18 FEET HIGH BECAUSE THAT MET, UM, THE ORDINANCES AND DIDN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE. THERE WAS SOME DISCUSSION FROM THE PLANNER AND FROM THE BOARD WHETHER OR NOT A MORE PEAKED ROOF WOULD BE MORE IN LINE WITH THE RESIDENTIAL, WHICH WE ARE OPEN TO, BUT WOULD JUST REQUIRE AN ADDITIONAL VARIANCE. SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING FOR THE BOARD TO DISCUSS OR ORDER AS THIS FINDING ABOUT. BUT THESE WERE THE DIFFERENT, UM, THE DIFFERENT HEIGHTS AND THE DIFFERENT, UM, THE DIFFERENT PEAK HEIGHTS AND ANGLES OF THE ROOF. THE PEAK IN THE OTHER PICTURES IS, IS WHICH ONE? HERE? THE ONE, UH, FOUR 12. IT'S, IT'S THE, IT'S THE SHORTEST. IT'S A, IT'S A FOUR DASH 12. OKAY. SO THE, THE ONE THAT WE PROPOSED HERE IS THE ONE THAT WE HAD ORIGINALLY PROPOSED, WHICH IS ABOUT ATT. OKAY. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE VARIANCE. RIGHT. BUT THAT IS, OKAY. UNDERSTOOD. YEAH. OKAY. , THANK YOU. YEAH. UM, AND THEN IN ADDITION TO, UM, AGAIN, CHANGING THE DESIGN, THE LAYOUT AND OFFERING WHATEVER LANDSCAPING THE BOARD, THE BOARD PLANNER, IT DEEMS APPROPRIATE. UM, THIS IS SHOWN AS A GRAY, JUST AS KIND OF A MOCKUP, BUT IN TERMS OF PAINT COLORS, UM, YOU TALKED TO THE BOARD ABOUT WHAT YOU WOULD PROPOSE IN TERMS OF COLOR? YEAH, BASICALLY I WANT IT TO FIT IN AS MUCH AS I POSSIBLY CAN. SO, UM, IT, BECAUSE OF MATERIALS, IT'S NOT GONNA BE, AND MY HOUSE IS ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD. IT'S NOT GONNA BE AN EXACT MATCH, I WOULDN'T IMAGINE. BUT I WANT, I'M GOING TO, MY PLAN IS TO PICK AS CLOSE AS A COLOR MATCH AS POSSIBLE. YOU KNOW, WARM. UH, MY HOUSE IS LIKE A, LIKE A TOE, LIKE A BEIGE TOE COLOR. SO THAT'S WHAT I'M, I'D LIKE TO GO WITH, YOU KNOW, I WANTED TO BASICALLY LOOK LIKE IT'S BEEN THERE AS LONG AS THE HOUSE. YEAH. AND YOU CAN SEE THERE'S SOME BRICK WORK HERE AND SOME KIND OF NEUTRAL TO THERE. CORRECT. YEAH. UM, SO WHEN IT COMES TO, UH, AGAIN, JUST FOLLOWING UP FROM WHERE WE WERE LAST MONTH, THE BOARD HAD ASKED FOR SOME RECONSIDERATIONS OF THE DESIGN. THIS IS WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING. EVERYTHING ELSE WOULD REMAIN THE SAME AS WE WOULD STILL HAVE A 15 FOOT SETBACK. IS THAT CORRECT? CORRECT. AND THAT'S FROM THE SIDE YARD TO THE NEIGHBOR? UM, THE SETBACK FROM THE, UM, PROPERTY LINE WOULD BE THE SAME. IT DOESN'T REQUIRE A VARIANCE. AND THE, UM, AND ALL OF THE OTHER, UM, VARIANCES REQUESTED WOULD BE THE SAME. AND I'M NOT SURE IF THE BOARD WANTS TO ASK FURTHER QUESTIONS, QUESTIONS OF THE APPLICANT. UM, WHY, REMIND ME WHY YOU NEED A GARAGE DOOR IS 16 FOOT WIDE? WELL, I'M ACTUALLY OFFERING TO DO TWO 12 FOOT WIDE DOORS. UM, TWO 12 FOOT BY NINE DOORS. AND WHAT YOUR ALTERNATIVE IS? YEAH, 10 AND ONE 16. CORRECT. WHY WOULD YOU REQUIRE 16? UH, JUST BE, IT'S, IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. I ORIGINALLY WANTED THE TWO, THE TWO 16 FOOT DOORS. YES. SO I COULD PHYSICALLY PUT TWO CARS IN NEXT TO EACH OTHER. UM, THAT WOULD STILL BE NICE. BUT I'M OPEN TO, LIKE I SAID, TO DO THE TWO SMALLER DOORS AS WELL. FRANKLY, I THINK IT LOOKS BETTER, UM, WITH THEM BEING SYMMETRICAL, BUT, BUT, UM, YOU KNOW, BUT AGAIN, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU IF THAT'S AN ISSUE. UH, THE 12 FOOT DOORS ARE COMPLETELY ACCEPTABLE. I DID GO AND MEASURE WHAT I WANTED TO KIND OF BE ABLE TO MOVE OUT AND IN AS WELL, WHICH IS WHY I REDUCED THE HEIGHT BY A FOOT AND ALSO REDUCED THE, THE WIDTH. UM, THE 12 FOOT DOORS IS BASICALLY AS SMALL AS I CAN GO WITHOUT, YOU KNOW, KEEPING IT FUNCTIONAL FOR WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO. SO THANK YOU. THE CAPACITY, THE AUTO CAPACITY FOR THIS GARAGE IS HOW MANY, HOW, HOW MANY AUTOS ON THE, ON THE PROPOSED 32 BY 40? YES. THIS, THIS ONE. YEAH. I, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY WILL PHYSICALLY FIT, BUT I'M PLANNING ON PUTTING THREE, I HAVE THREE VEHICLES I'D LIKE TO STORE THERE. SO THREE, I THINK YOU COULD PROBABLY DO FOUR IF YOU KEPT THEM LIKE TWO DEEP, BUT I'M NOT, BUT PROBABLY THREE. YEAH. AND I UNDERSTAND THAT THE EXISTING GARAGE YOU HAVE TO YOUR HOUSE, IT'S THREE. IT DOES, YEAH. SO ON THAT ONE PIECE OF PROPERTY, RESIDENTIAL, YOU, YOU COULD HAVE THE CAPACITY FOR SIX TO SEVEN VEHICLES? UH, YEAH. SIX TO SEVEN VEHICLES. CORRECT. DO YOU HAVE AN HOA? NO. OKAY. AND THE BOARD MIGHT RECALL THE TESTIMONY THAT THE PURPOSE OF THE GARAGE IS FOR RESTORING THE, UM, ANTIQUE AND COLLECTIBLE CARS, CORRECT? YEAH. AND JUST TO REITERATE YOUR TESTIMONY, NO COMMERCIAL, UM, ACTIVITIES WOULD TAKE PLACE IN THIS GARAGE? NO, NOT AT ALL. JUST CERTAINLY AS CONDITION OF APPROVAL, THAT WOULD BE, UM, SOMETHING THAT [00:20:01] IF THE BOARD HAS CONCERNS ABOUT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE IN CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL ACTIVITY. HAVE YOU, HAVE YOU REACHED OUT FOR SUPPORT FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT THIS? UH, YEAH, ACTUALLY, SO MY NEIGHBOR WHO'S, YOU KNOW HERE, RIGHT HERE IS ACTUALLY SITTING RIGHT THERE, SO. OKAY. UM, HE HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE PLANNING PROCESS, LIKE GOING BACK A YEAR AT THIS POINT. MM-HMM . UM, AND I ACTUALLY, YOU KNOW, WALKED MY YARD AND THIS IS WHAT I WANT TO DO AND THIS IS WHERE I WANNA PUT IT AND MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, AND SO YEAH, I'M, I'M HERE WITH HIS APPROVAL AND I'M SURE HE'LL COME UP AND, AND THE TOW HOMES IN YOUR COMMUNITY? UH, 13. OKAY. JUST, IT'S JUST ONE STREET. OKAY. IT'S A DEAD END. OKAY. I CAN'T REMEMBER, WAS THERE GOING TO BE PLUMBING? NO, NO PLUMBING. THANK YOU. UH, AN OUTDOOR PICKET MAYBE? YEAH, A LIKE A, A HOSE. A HOSE BIB, BUT NO, NO, THAT'S, REMEMBER, JUST LEMME CHECK. AND ON THE TOPIC OF, 'CAUSE YOU SAID PLUMBING, UM, THERE WILL BE, UH, YOU KNOW, UH, ELECTRIC, THERE'LL BE LIGHTS, THERE'LL BE, YOU KNOW, WARM TONES AND POINTED DOWN AND, UM, I FORGET ALL THE DIFFERENT REQUIREMENTS THAT WERE SET FORTH, BUT IT'LL, IT'LL BE WHATEVER, WHATEVER YOU GUYS, WE WOULD COMPLY WITH YOUR PLANNERS, UM, WITH YOUR PLANNER'S RECOMMENDATIONS AS TO LIGHTING. NOW ARE THE EXTERIOR LIGHTS ON THIS? THERE'LL, THERE'LL BE ONE OVER EACH DOOR POINTED DOWN. POINTED DOWN, YEAH. OKAY. MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? UM, I, I TRIED TO, IN MY LETTER, REITERATE THE TESTIMONY THAT WAS PROVIDED. IT DOESN'T SEEM AS THOUGH THE APPLICANT HAD ANY, UH, ISSUES WITH ANYTHING THAT I WROTE, UH, THAT I RELAY AS PART OF THE TESTIMONY. UM, YOU KNOW, IT, IT IS STILL AN OVERSIZED GARAGE. IT'S REALLY UP TO THE BOARD TO DETERMINE IF IT'S AN APPROPRIATE TREATMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, YOU KNOW, THE, THE MAXIMUM PERMITTED HEIGHT IS 20 FEET ACTUALLY FOR A DETACHED GARAGE, JUST TO CLARIFY THAT. BUT, UM, I DO THINK THAT THE SMALLER DOORS HELP. UM, BUT IT DOES APPEAR THAT VARIANCES ARE STILL REQUIRED FOR, UH, THE ADDITIONAL SPACES. AND TYPICALLY WHEN WE SAY VEHICLES, YOU KNOW, IT COULD BE FOUR CARS AND A MOTORCYCLE OR, YOU KNOW, AN A TV, RIGHT? SO IT DOESN'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO BE FOUR CARS, BUT WE CALCULATE THAT IT'S ABOUT 240 TO 250 SQUARE FEET PER VEHICLE INSIDE GARAGE. UM, SO ONE, ONE GARAGE EXISTS, ONE ADDITIONAL GARAGE IS PROPOSED. THAT'S ALSO THE VARIANCE, UM, THE CAPACITY. AND THEN, UM, THE EVE HEIGHT, UM, IS THE EVE HEIGHT CHANGING WITH THE GARAGE DOOR HEIGHT? I WASN'T CLEAR ON THAT. NO. STILL 12 FOR THE HEIGHT. SO IT'S A 12 FOOT PIPE. CORRECT. SO UNLESS THE BOARD HAS QUESTIONS ABOUT SOMETHING I WROTE, I HAVE NOTHING FURTHER. HE HAD PROVIDED, UH, SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT THE, THE COLORS. DID YOU HAVE ANY OPINIONS ON, I MEAN, I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE FOR IT TO MATCH THE HOUSE. I, YOU KNOW, I DON'T, IT'S TYPICALLY WHAT, WHAT YOU ALL DO. UM, A LOT OF TIMES WE GET A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL ON THE BUILDINGS THAN, THAN JUST A POLE BARN. UM, BUT, BUT AT LEAST THE COLOR WILL MATCH AS BEST YOU CAN. AND USUALLY, YOU KNOW, THERE MIGHT BE FADING ON THE SIDING. UM, BUT IF YOU HAVE A PIECE YOU CAN USUALLY GET A FAIRLY DECENT, UM, REPRODUCTION OF WHAT'S, WHAT'S ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE. AND THAT'S, AND THAT'S THE PLAN. LIKE, I ACTUALLY PULLED OFF A PIECE OF SIDING AND WE'LL MATCH IT TO THE BEST OF OUR ABILITY. AND SHE MENTIONED LANDSCAPING, DO YOU THINK? YEAH, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT, UH, IN OUR LETTER WE TALKED ABOUT, UM, ADDITIONAL SETBACK BECAUSE IT IS AN OVERSIZED BUILDING, UM, ON THE SIDE IT WOULD ALSO SORT OF TUCK IT, UH, AWAY, UM, FROM THE, THAT STRAIGHT LINE OF THE, THE DRIVEWAY, UM, OR ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING. YOU KNOW, THERE DOES APPEAR TO BE SOME SPACE BETWEEN THE EXISTING GARAGE AND THE HOUSE AND THE FRONT OF THAT GARAGE WHERE MR. HACKETT WAS TALKING ABOUT WHERE IT SORT OF APPEARED THAT THERE WAS LAWN THERE. SO THERE IS A POSSIBILITY TO, YOU KNOW, PLANT SOME UNDERSTORY PLANT MATERIAL TO, YOU KNOW, OBSCURE SOME OF THE, THE GARAGE ACTIVITY. YOU KNOW, THE LEFT SIDE IS, IS GONNA BE VERY VISIBLE, THE RIGHT SIDE YOU MAY BE ABLE TO TO BLOCK A LITTLE BIT MORE, UM, BECAUSE THAT DRIVEWAY IS PRETTY MUCH A STRAIGHT SHOT. MM-HMM . AND YOU MAY BE ABLE TO ASK FOR SOME UNDERSTORY VEGETATION, UH, BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU KNOW, AND THE GARAGE. DOES ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY, IF NOT, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AT THIS POINT OF VIEW. WE'LL LEAVE THIS UP IN CASE ANYONE? SURE. THANK YOU. YOU'RE, YOU'RE DONE. WELL, I'M GONNA JUST DO A SUMMARY AFTER IT'S OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND DO A QUICK REVIEW. BUT, UM, CASE YOU HAVE NO WORDS BEFORE WE OPEN TO THE PUBLIC, BUT YOU'RE GOOD. OKAY, [00:25:01] THANK YOU. CAN I HAVE A, UH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC A SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO. HI EVERYBODY. MR. JASON? I, I'M NEIGHBOR OF, UH, MR. JASON. HE INVOLVED ME FROM THE BEGINNING. OH, SORRY. CAN YOU HAVE, UH, PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? MY NAME IS ROD BAIN. I'M HIS NEIGHBOR FROM HOUSE NUMBER FOUR. HE'S NUMBER THREE. I'M NUMBER FOUR. SIR, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY GOOD TO THE LORD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YEAH. THANK YOU. GO RIGHT AHEAD. WHAT'S THAT? GO AHEAD. OKAY. THANK YOU. SO HE INVOLVED ME FROM THE BEGINNING. HE WAS TAKING ME TO THE PROPERTY. HE SHOWED ME EVERYTHING, WHAT IS GOING TO BE EVERYWHERE AND EXPLAINED ME, SENT ME PICTURES AND A SKETCH AND PLAN AND, UH, MAKE SURE THAT I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES AND I DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES. SO I'M OKAY WITH, UH, GIRLS. GREAT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU FOR COMING. HI, CHERYL QUIGLEY. UM, I WAS HERE BEFORE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU NEED TO SWEAR ME IN AGAIN. SURE. YOU, YOU ALREADY TESTIFIED. I DON'T RECALL. SO YEAH, LET'S JUST SWEAR YOU IN. YOU CAN. SURE. OKAY. NAME AND ADDRESS IF YOU DON'T MIND. MY NAME IS CHERYL QUIGLEY. I'M AT TWO QUAIL BRIDGE COURT. AND MA'AM, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE THE COURT TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING? YES, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. THANK YOU. YES, GO AHEAD. UM, I AM CONCERNED WITH THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING. AS I SAID LAST TIME, IT IS BASICALLY A COMMERCIAL BUILDING THAT'S BEING PUT INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD. UM, I DON'T SEE, BASED ON MR. CLEMENT'S TESTIMONY, UM, FROM, FROM LAST TIME HOW A BUILDING OF THIS SIZE WOULD BE NECESSARY FOR HIS PURPOSE. HE STATED THAT HE HAS FIVE CARS, THAT HE HAS THREE CLASSIC CARS THAT TWO OF THEM HAVE ALREADY BEEN RESTORED AND HE NEEDS TO RESTORE ONE OTHER CAR. I AM LOOKING AT A BUILDING OF 32 BY 40 AS RATHER EXCESSIVE FOR RESTORING ONE CAR AND STORING A SECOND CAR. HE SAYS THAT HE WANTS TO KEEP THREE CARS IN THERE, WHICH JUST MEANS THAT HE HAS AN EXTRA GARAGE SPACE AT THE HOUSE. UM, IT, IT JUST SEEMS VERY EXCESSIVE TO ME. I THINK IF, IF WHAT YOU NEED FOR YOUR HOBBY IS A COMMERCIAL BUILDING, THEN YOU SHOULD RENT A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. I DON'T REALLY FEEL COMFORTABLE HAVING THAT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD. I THINK IF MR. CLEMAN WAS SAYING I WANTED TO PUT UP A STANDARD TWO CAR GARAGE, YOU KNOW, TO STORE MY OTHER TWO CARS, I DON'T THINK I'D HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THAT. UM, BUT THE SIZE AND SCOPE OF, OF THE COMMERCIAL BUILDING IS A CONCERN FOR ME. UM, I KNOW HE HAS TALKED EXTENSIVELY ABOUT HOW FAR SET BACK THE BUILDING WILL BE AND YOU KNOW HOW HE COULD PUT BUSHES AROUND SO YOU CAN'T REALLY SEE IT. BUT TO ME THAT JUST BRINGS MORE CONCERN FOR WHETHER MR. KLEIMAN USES IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES OR IF THE NEXT PERSON WHO MOVES IN WANTS TO USE IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. I THINK TRYING TO, I TO INVESTIGATE A BUILDING THAT'S SET 200 FEET BACK FROM THE ROAD FOR WHAT ARE YOU USING IT FOR, IS GONNA GET VERY DIFFICULT FOR THE TOWNSHIP TO HANDLE AFTER THE FACT. SO I THINK THAT THESE REGULATIONS ARE IN PLACE FOR A REASON TO KEEP RESIDENTIAL RE RESIDENTIAL HOMES A RESIDENTIAL AREA. AND I THINK THAT THIS IS JUST EXCESSIVE AND I'M NOT COMFORTABLE WITH IT. SO THAT'S JUST WHAT I'D LIKE TO SHARE. THANK YOU. HI, MY NAME'S LEAH AXWORTHY. I LIVE AT 10 QUAIL RIDGE COURT. SIR, WERE YOU, YOU OFFERING TESTIMONY AS WELL? YES. COULD YOU IDENTIFY YOURSELF? MY NAME'S PAUL MARY. I'M HER HUSBAND BY THE BEVERAGE COURT. VERY GOOD. FOLKS. YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES, ABSOLUTELY. YES. VERY GOOD. GO AHEAD. OKAY. I HAVE TO SAY, WE HAVE BEEN ON THIS STREET ORIGINALLY, ORIGINALLY FOR 26 YEARS. NOW. WHEN WE BOUGHT THIS, WE BOUGHT WHERE WE DID BECAUSE IT WAS A NICE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD WITH A LOT OF TREES AND NOTHING ELSE. THIS BUILDING IS GIGANTIC. IT'S NOT A LITTLE GARAGE WE'RE PUTTING UP. IT'S A GIGANTIC BUILDING IF WE WANT TO TAKE THE CAR THING. MY HUSBAND HAS ANTIQUE CARS. WE HAVE LIVED HERE 26 YEARS, HAVE NEVER ASKED FOR A VARIANCE, HAVE NEVER ASKED TO BUILD A GARAGE. WE PUT ALL OUR CARS IN OUR GARAGE, WHAT DON'T FIT. THE [00:30:01] ONE SITS ON THE DRIVEWAY AND WE RENT PLACES AND WE RENT GARAGE SPACE. AND THAT'S WHAT HAPPENS WITH OUR CARS. AND OUR EVERYDAY DRIVING CAR SITS ON THE GARAGE AND WE PEEL THE SNOW OFF OF IT BECAUSE THE ANTIQUES ARE MORE IMPORTANT THAN THE EVERYDAY CAR , WHICH IS FINE. I'VE GOTTEN USED TO IT. UM, ALSO IF YOU WANNA RESTORE A CAR, THAT'S ALL WELL AND GOOD. I HAD A NEIGHBOR YEARS AGO, TWO NEIGHBORS AGO NOW ON THE ONE SIDE OF ME WHO DID ALL KINDS OF WORK ON HIS AN ON HIS OLD CARS. HE AND HIS SON REMOVED, TOOK TWO CARS APART ENTIRELY, SAW THEM IN HALF RESAW, REWELDED THEM TOGETHER WITH AN ARC WELDER, RERUN WIRING, RERUN ENGINE PARTS, RERUN EVERYTHING ALL OUT OF A GARAGE BAG. AND THE, AND THEIR AND THREE CAR, THEIR DRIVEWAY, THEIR THREE CAR GARAGE WHILE STILL USING THE PART OF THE GARAGE TO PARK HIS WIFE'S CAR IN. HAD NO NEED TO PUT UP A 32 BY 40 BUILDING TO RESTORE A CAR. IF YOU NEED THAT KIND OF SPACE, YOU, YOU'RE DOING MORE THAN JUST RESTORING A CAR. IT'S, IT'S TOTALLY, AND IT'S, IT IS A WOODED RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD AND THAT'S WHAT WE ALL BOUGHT. WE DIDN'T BUY SOMETHING TO LOOK AT A GIANT POLE BARN THAT CHANGE, CHANGE THE, IT'S, IT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE LIVING WITH. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE WANNA LOOK AT. QUESTION. ISN'T THERE A WALL THAT CERTAIN CALLED ARABLE LAND? YOU, YOU'RE ONLY ON BOAT SO MUCH ON YOUR LAND? I THINK WHILE BACK, I MEAN REALLY I HAD, WE HAD TO FIGHT FOR MONTHS TO PUT UP A POST IN REAL FENCE BECAUSE IT WAS A CRISIS IN THIS TOWN TO PUT UP THE POST IN RAIL BECAUSE IT ENCROACHED ON THE, THE BUFFER OF THE BUFFER OF THE WET ZONE. IT TOOK MONTHS TO GET THAT APPROVED . I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW SOMETHING THIS HUGE CAN GET APPROVED WHEN MY POST IN RAIL FINALLY GOT APPROVED BECAUSE YOU FINALLY DECIDED IT WASN'T A PERMANENT STRUCTURE BECAUSE THERE WAS NOTHING, IT WOULD'VE ROT AT SOME POINT, WHICH IT IS 26 YEARS LATER. BUT I JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU CAN GO FROM, YOU CAN'T PUT UP A POST IN RAIL FENCE TO, YOU CAN BUILD A 32 BY 40 BUILDING. YEAH, THE SHOCK. OKAY, THANK YOU. THANK YOU. MATT SAW 11 QUAIL RIDGE COURT. SIR, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. GO RIGHT AHEAD. UM, I'M JUST GONNA REITERATE ON MANY OF THE THINGS THAT YOU JUST HEARD. UM, WE MOVED INTO THE, IT'S A GREAT STREET. ALL OF OUR NEIGHBORS, UM, UH, INCLUDING OUR NEIGHBORHOOD HOUSE THREE. UM, THE HOBBY THAT HE'S DOING IS TERRIFIC, BUT THIS IS A STRUCTURE THAT, UM, WE FEEL IS JUST GOING TO CHANGE THE TENOR OF WHERE WE LIVE. WHY WE MOVED TO THIS PLACE, WHICH IS A QUIET WOODED AREA. UM, I KNOW WE'RE TALKING ABOUT PUTTING IN THINGS TO COVER IT, BUT WHEN YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT 40 BY 32, UM, THERE'S A REASON WHY 20 BY 20 IS WHAT THE ORDINANCE IS. AND SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT SOMETHING NEARLY DOUBLE THAT. UM, AND SO I'M JUST HERE TO VOICE OUR CONCERN AS WELL. THANK YOU. THANKS. HELLO, MY NAME IS STEPHANIE MEYER. I'M AT SEVEN QUAIL RIDGE COURT. MA'AM, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY, YOU'RE GOOD TO THE BOARD BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. RIGHT AHEAD. UM, I'M GONNA ECHO EVERYBODY'S CONCERNS. THIS IS A HUGE BUILDING. I HAVE A SLIGHTLY D DIFFERENT PERSPECTIVE. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU KNOW HOW OUR STREET IS, BUT IT'S CURVED. IT GOES UP A HILL AND THEN CONTINUES DOWN. I AM ON THE CURVE UP ON THE HILL. SO FROM MY DRIVEWAY AND FROM MY BACKYARD, I CAN ACTUALLY SEE THE BACK OF HIS HOUSE. I'M NOT EVEN SURE YOU KNEW THAT, BUT I COULD SEE HIS POOL. I CAN SEE HIS, UM, THE UMBRELLAS ON THE POOL. SO I ASSUME I'M GONNA BE ABLE TO SEE THIS HUGE STRUCTURE AS WELL. I, SO IT'S NOT SOMETHING I PARTICULARLY WANNA LOOK AT. UM, DRIVING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, HE'S AT THE BEGINNING OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, SO WE'RE GONNA PASS IT EVERY DAY. I'M GONNA SEE IT EVERY DAY. OUR GUESTS WILL SEE IT, PEOPLE WHO ARE VISITING US. UM, SO AGAIN, IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST TOO BIG. IF IT WAS MORE JUST LIKE ANOTHER ATTACHED GARAGE, FINE. BUT THIS IS LIKE ANOTHER BUILDING. SO THANK YOU. THAT'S ALL. THANKS. [00:35:16] HI, UH, TARA BARRETT, EIGHT QUE RIDGE COURT. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. YES. I, I MOVED HERE ABOUT FIVE YEARS AGO. REASON WHY WE DID, BECAUSE IT WAS JUST A NICE QUIET STREET. A LOT OF TREES, UH, A LOT OF NATURE ALWAYS SEE IS DEER AND SQUIRRELS AND STUFF LIKE THAT. AND BOTH MY HUSBAND AND I ARE AFRAID THAT, UH, WITH THIS BIG, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING BEING BUILT, THAT WE WON'T SEE THESE BEAUTIFUL DEER ANYMORE. UM, THIS PAST SEASON WE HAD, UH, FOUR OR FIVE DEER BORN ON OUR LAWN. SO THAT WAS ONE OF THE BEAUTIFUL THINGS THAT WE LOVE ABOUT LIVING IN THIS AREA. AND ALSO ABOUT WHAT OTHER PEOPLE SAID, JUST COMING INTO THE NEIGHBORHOOD, SEEING THE BIG PROPERTY THERE, UM, AND SUCH A BIG BUILDING WHICH YOU DON'T NEED IN SOMETHING IN A RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBORHOOD. THANK YOU. THAT'S IT. GOOD AFTERNOON. I'M FRA DENARI NUMBER FIVE QUAIL RICH COURT. MA'AM, IS YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. THANK YOU. I I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY HE NEEDS A SECOND GARAGE ON THAT PROPERTY BECAUSE I DON'T SEE IT AS SOMETHING THAT IS EVEN NECESSARY. 'CAUSE EVERYONE ELSE ON THE STREET HAS EXTRA CARS AND WE ALL PARK OUR CARS IN OUR DRIVEWAY. SO IF HE WANTS TO FIX CARS, I CAN SEE HIM USING THE GARAGE THAT'S ON HIS HOUSE AND PARK IN HIS ADDITIONAL CARS IN HIS DRIVEWAY LIKE EVERYONE ELSE. SO AT THIS POINT, I DON'T SEE WHY IT'S NECESSARY. THANK YOU. OKAY. SEEING NO OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO THE LAST APPLICATION, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE? MOTION TO CLOSE? SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. YOU CAN COME BACK UP. THANK YOU. SO, UM, JUST TO WRAP UP WHERE, UM, THE TESTIMONY AND ADDRESSING THE, YOU KNOW, THE LEGAL REQUIREMENTS FOR THESE VARIANCES, I WANTED TO REITERATE WHAT VARIANCES WE ARE SEEKING. SO, UH, AND, AND OF COURSE YOUR PLANNER'S LETTER, YOU KNOW, LAYS OUT THAT LIST OF VARIANCES, UM, QUITE WELL. SO THE FIRST VARIANCE WE'RE LOOKING FOR IS A VARIANCE FROM YOUR ORDINANCE 5 0 1 C, WHERE THE GARAGES, UM, CANNOT BE FOR MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES OR PERMITTED ON ANY LOTS. UM, YOU HAVE IN THERE, MS. TAYLOR, FIVE ADDITIONAL SPACES, BUT I BELIEVE 32 BY 44 OR FIVE ADDITIONAL SPACES. IT'S MORE THAN THREE OBVIOUSLY. SO WE WOULD NEED THE VARIANCE REGARDLESS. UM, THE SECOND VARIANCE WOULD BE FROM YOUR ORDINANCE 5 0 1 C ONE, WHICH, UM, PERMITS ONLY ONE GARAGE ON A LOT. UH, OBVIOUSLY WE ALREADY HAVE AN ATTACHED GARAGE, SO THIS WOULD BE A SECOND GARAGE. UH, WE WOULD NEED AN OR A VARIANCE FROM 5 0 1 C TWO, UM, WHERE A GARAGE MAY NOT HAVE CAPACITY IN EXCESS OF THREE VEHICLES. UM, AND THIS WOULD HAVE A, UH, CAPACITY OF MORE THAN THREE VEHICLES. AND THEN LAST, THE PRIVATE RESIDENT GARAGE IS, UM, ONLY PERMITTED TO BE A 10 FOOT EVE HEIGHT, AND WE HAVE A 12 FOOT EVE HEIGHT. UM, EVEN WITH THE, UM, THE SHORTER, AS IT WERE, UM, OR OR LESS WIDE, IT WOULD STILL BE A 12 FOOT EVE HEIGHT. WE ARE PROPOSING TO HAVE, UM, GARAGE DOORS THAT ARE NINE FEET BY 12 FEET. WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE FOR THAT. THAT IS, UM, ONLY ONE FOOT HIGHER THAN A TYPICAL MAX, UM, TYPICAL RESIDENTIAL GARAGE DOOR HEIGHT OF EIGHT FEET. AND, UM, WE ARE, UM, AGAIN ASKING FOR A 18 FOOT, UM, PITCH OR AN 18 FOOT, UM, PEAK TO FLOOR. BUT IF THE BOARD DECIDED THAT THEY PREFERRED TO HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF, UM, PITCH ON, I'M GETTING A LOT OF FEEDBACK HERE. YEAH. THINK IT'S, IS THAT US? OKAY, WE'LL GO OVER HERE. YEAH, THAT WAS, THAT WAS NOT GOOD. UM, IF THE BOARD PREFERRED A LESS SHALLOW ANGLE TO THE ROOF, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE PRESENTED OTHER OPTIONS AND, AND WE WOULD BE HAPPY TO DO ANY OF THOSE. UM, WE ARE LOOKING FOR A FLEXIBLE [00:40:01] C VARIANCE, WHICH IS A VARIANCE UNDER NJSA 44 55 B DASH 70 C TWO, WHICH REQUIRES THAT A VARIANCE CAN BE GRANTED IF THE PROPOSED RELIEF ADVANCES THE PURPOSES OF MUNICIPAL LAND LAW AND THE BENEFITS OF GRANTING THE VARIANCE SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT. UM, AT HERE WE, UM, HAVE AGAIN ATTEMPTED TO WORK WITH THE BOARD IN TERMS OF, UM, PROPOSING A GARAGE THAT MEETS AND ADDRESSES THEIR CONCERNS. WE UNDERSTAND AND HEAR THE CONCERNS OF THE NEIGHBORS. WE FEEL THAT, UM, SETTING IT BACK 200 FEET FROM THE ROAD AND THE VISUALS WE PROVIDED, THAT THE GARAGE WILL NOT BE AS, UM, PERHAPS AS NOTICEABLE AS FOLKS HAVE FEARED IT WOULD BE. AND WITH, UM, BLENDING IT IN WITH LANDSCAPING THAT'S NATIVE TO MEDFORD, AS WELL AS PAINTING IT AT THE SAME AS THE HOUSE, IT WILL, IT WILL BLEND IN WITH THE HOUSE AND NOT BE A DETRIMENT TO THE ZONING. UM, IT WOULD ADVANCE THE ZONING PURPOSE OF, UH, PROVIDING A, UM, PROMOTING UNDER ONE A THE PUBLIC HEALTH SAFETY, MORALS AND GENERAL WELFARE. UM, THIS WOULD ALLOW THE HOMEOWNER TO USE HIS PROPERTY, UM, IN A WAY THAT WILL, YOU KNOW, ALLOW HIM TO HAVE HIS HOBBY WITHOUT HAVING CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY. UM, HE, HE COULD PUT ALL OF THESE CARS IN THE DRIVEWAY, HE WOULDN'T NEED ANY PERMISSIONS TO DO THAT, AND IT'S PROBABLY MORE DESIRABLE TO HAVE IT IN THE GARAGE RATHER THAN EVERYTHING LAID OUT IN THE DRIVEWAY ALL THE TIME. AND THAT'S THE PURPOSE FOR THAT. SO, UM, WITH THAT YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER, HOW, HOW WOULD YOU RESPOND TO THE CONCERNS OF YOUR NEIGHBORS CONCERNING THE PROPOSED GARAGE? UH, I GUESS IT'S HARD TO, I'M TRYING TO THINK. I, I, UM, IT'S KIND OF AN OPEN-ENDED QUESTION. UM, I, I MEAN, I GUESS ULTIMATELY IT, IT IS, IT, IT IT'S A GARAGE, RIGHT? AND I'M GONNA STORE MY CARS IN THERE. UM, UH, LIKE MY ATTORNEY SAID, IT'S THE PURPOSE IS TO GET THEM INSIDE, TO GET MY DAILY DRIVERS IN MY CURRENT GARAGE AND GET THE, MY CLASSIC CARS OUT OF, OUT OF THAT AND KIND OF ON THEIR OWN IN THE BACKYARD, UM, AWAY FROM EVERYTHING. UM, SECURITY AS WELL. UM, THEY'RE GONNA BE BACK IN MY BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY LOCKED IN THE GARAGE BEHIND THE FENCE. UM, I WANNA BE ABLE TO GO OUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, AND, AND, AND WORK ON THEM, YOU KNOW, NOT IN MY DRIVEWAY. UM, UH, YOU KNOW, QUIETLY DO WHAT I NEED TO DO WITHOUT BOTHERING ANYBODY, ULTIMATELY IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO, WHICH IS WHY I HAVE IT SO FAR BACK ON MY PROPERTY. UM, IF I COULD, AND THE PROBLEM IS THE WHOLE BACK HALF OF MY PROPERTY IS WETLANDS. IF THAT WASN'T THERE, I'D PUT IT BACK AS FURTHER AS FAR AS I COULD. I'D PUT IT IN THE MIDDLE OF THE WOODS. UH, UNFORTUNATELY THROUGH THE PINELANDS REGULATIONS, I'M NOT ALLOWED TO DO THAT. UM, SO WHERE I'M PROPOSING DOING IT IS LITERALLY THE ONLY PLACE ON THE ENTIRE PROPERTY IT CAN GO JUST DUE TO, UH, YOU KNOW, THE LAYOUT AND ALL THE DIFFERENT INTANGIBLES THAT EXIST THAT, YOU KNOW, PREEXISTING ARE, ARE THERE. UM, SO THAT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S THE ONLY PLACE I CAN PUT IT, UM, YOU KNOW, BETWEEN SEPTIC AND PINELANDS AND WETLANDS AND ALL OF THAT STUFF. UM, SO, YOU KNOW, I, I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER I CAN TO MAKE IT, YOU KNOW, QUOTE UNQUOTE BLEND, YOU KNOW, COLORS, LANDSCAPING, UM, YOU KNOW, I'M PROPOSING AT THIS POINT WHITE DOORS. IF THAT'S NOT OKAY, I'LL MAKE THE DOORS THE SAME COLOR AS THE STRUCTURE. UM, I'M COMPLETELY OPEN TO ANY AESTHETICS, UM, THAT THE BOARD PROPOSES. UM, YOU KNOW, AND I'LL, YOU KNOW, I'LL AGREE TO ANY RESTRICTIONS, LIKE I SAID, REGARDING, YOU KNOW, COLOR AND LANDSCAPING AND UH, TREES AND ANYTHING THAT GOES ALONG WITH THAT. UM, AND JUST TO REITERATE, THERE WAS SOME CONCERNS FROM YOUR NEIGHBORS ABOUT USING IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. CAN YOU REMIND THE BOARD THE TESTIMONY FROM LAST MONTH THAT YOU ARE YOU, YOU HAVE A, A REGULAR JOB, CORRECT? YEAH. AND WHAT'S THAT? YEAH, I, I'M A SOFTWARE ENGINEER. ALRIGHT. I, I, I, I DO NOT WORK ON CARS FOR A LIVING, FRANKLY. NOBODY WOULD WANT ME TO WORK ON THEIR CAR. UM, SO THERE'S NO, UM, NO AT ALL PURPOSE OR THOUGHT THAT THIS WOULD BE FOR ANY KIND OF COMMERCIAL PURPOSE. NO. YOU DON'T SELL CARS COMMERCIALLY, YOU DON'T WORK ON CARS COMMERCIALLY, YOU DON'T BUY TRADE RENTS, DO ANY OF THAT COMMERCIALLY? NO. LIKE MY, MY VEHICLES I'VE HAD FOR AN AVERAGE OF 10 PLUS YEARS AT THIS POINT, MY COLLECTOR VEHICLES, UM, THEY, I, MY CARS ARE LIKE I I'VE SAID THEY'RE, THEY'RE LIFE CARS. MY KIDS CAN GET RID OF OPEN, BUT I'M DEAD. UM, THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT GOING ANYWHERE. OKAY. I APPRECIATE THE WILLINGNESS TO, UM, IMPROVE THE AESTHETICS OF THE PROPOSED GARAGE, UM, [00:45:01] TO MAKE IT MORE APPEALING. UM, JUST HAVING A HARD TIME, UM, IGNORING THE CONCERNS OF THE RESIDENTS. UM, YOU KNOW, AND COUNSEL HAD MENTIONED, YOU KNOW, THAT THIS WOULD BE MORE, THIS WOULD BE BETTER THAN HAVING THE CARS IN THE GARAGE, BUT I HAD, UM, SEVEN, SIX NEIGHBORS, SEVEN INDIVIDUALS COME UP AND SAY ALMOST AS IF THEY WOULD PREFER THE CARS TO BE IN THE DRIVEWAY INSTEAD OF IN THIS GARAGE. YOU KNOW, THERE WERE A COUPLE RESIDENTS THAT HAD MENTIONED WORKING ON CARS AS WELL IN THEIR DRIVEWAY. UM, SO IT SEEMED LIKE TO ME FROM THE TESTIMONY THAT THAT WOULD, THAT WAS PREFERABLE OVER, OVER HAVING NO, THE LARGER GARAGE, NO, THAT SAID, THE HOUSE THAT IT'S CLOSEST TO THAT IT BORDERS IS ALSO HERE TO, YOU KNOW, WAS INVOLVED IN THE ENTIRE PLANNING AND DESIGN PROCESS FROM THE GET-GO AND IS COMPLETELY OKAY WITH IT. UNDERSTOOD. JUST FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH. ABSOLUTELY. UM, UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE ALL THE RESIDENTS COMING OUT TO VOICE THEIR, FOR VOICE, THEIR OPINIONS. UM, THAT'S JUST WHERE I'M, UM, STUCK WITH HAVING TO CONSIDER WHAT, UH, YOU KNOW, SIX OTHER HOMES ON THE STREET, UH, ARE CONCERNED WITH. AND THE IMPACT THAT THEY FEEL THE PROPOSED GARAGE WILL HAVE ON THE STREET, UM, IS SOMETHING THAT WE AS A BOARD HAVE TO CONSIDER. UH, DOES ANYONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? IS THERE ANY POTENTIAL TO SHIFT THAT GARAGE FURTHER THAN 15 FEET? THE, THE ISSUE, THE ISSUE IS, UH, 'CAUSE OF THE WAY MY PROPERTY IS LAID OUT, THERE IS A WETLANDS BUFFER THAT GOES DIAGONAL. SO I WOULD LOVE TO, BUT AT THAT POINT IF THERE'S LIKE, IT'S, IT'S IN THE BUFFER ZONE, SO WHAT, UH, NO SIR. IT, IT WOULD HIT THE BUFFER. IT'S, IT'S PLACED STILL IN PRECISELY OUTSIDE THE BUFFER ZONE. YEAH. SO IF I, SO I DUNNO IF IT'S, YOU CAN SEE THIS, BUT, SO THIS IS THE PROPOSED GARAGE AND THE WETLANDS LINE IS HERE AND THEN THE BUFFER IS HERE. SO THIS, YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING, BY THE WAY, YOU CAN ONLY GO RIGHT HERE. UM, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT GOING BACK. SO, SO IF THE LINE GOES DIAGONAL, SO THAT RIGHT CORNER OF THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY RIGHT OUTSIDE THE BUFFER LINE. OKAY. SO YEAH, I MEAN, I COULD GO BACK, I MEAN, IT'S IN THE BUFFER AND IT COULD GO RIGHT, WHICH BE LIKE FACING ME BEHIND MY HOUSE, BUT THEN IT'S ALSO IN THE BUFFER. SO IT'S LITERALLY LIKE, IT'S THE ONLY PLACE IT CAN, AND FRANKLY, IF I HAVE THE BUFFER WOULDN'T BE MY FIRST CHOICE, BUT SORT OF STUFF WITH THE LAYOUT OF MY PROPERTY. MM-HMM . AND MADAM CHAIR, EXCEPT TO SAY THAT IF IT WASN'T 40 FEET DEEP, IT COULD BE SHIFTED. THE GARAGE WAS SMALLER IF THE DEPTH WAS, I MEAN, NONETHELESS, THERE'S, THERE'S A VARIANCE HERE FOR THE NUMBER OF THE CAPACITY, NO MATTER IF IT WAS A CONFORMING SIZE. SO IF IT WASN'T 40 FEET DEEP, YOU KNOW, WHEN YOU PULL INTO A PARKING SPACE, THE LARGEST PARKING SPACE YOU'RE GONNA PULL INTO IS 20 FEET. MOST OF THE TIME THEY'RE 18. SO 40 FEET IS VERY DEEP. IT'S TWICE THE SIZE, TWICE THE LENGTH OF A TYPICAL PARKING SPACE. SO THAT'S WHAT I, SO IT COULD BE SHIFTED, COULD BE SMALLER. I'M NOT SUGGESTING THAT THAT'S A, A SATISFACTORY SOLUTION, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE IF THAT'S, YOU KNOW, BUT I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, TO THE CHAIR'S POINT, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THE QUESTION OF, OF THE NUISANCE AND THE POSITIVE AND NEGATIVE CRITERIA. WHAT ARE THE POTENTIALS HERE? I THINK MY THOUGHT PROCESS WITH THAT WAS IF IT, IF IT WERE OVER TO THE RIGHT A LITTLE BIT MORE, IT WOULD BE HIDDEN MORE BY THE HOUSE, NOT JUST WITH VEGETATION. THAT COULD BE, THAT COULD BE PUT UP, BUT ALSO THE FACT THAT IF IT WAS SLIGHTLY TO THE RIGHT, THEN IT COULD HIDE A BIT, SOME OF IT FROM BEING IN THE SIGHT LINE. AND, AND THAT IS, WE DID SEE THAT WAS IN PART OF OUR, OUR LETTER. YES. OKAY. UNDERSTANDING THAT IT, IT CAN'T BE 40 FEET DEEP. DO WE HAVE A ROUGH ESTIMATE, THE DEPTH OF IT? WOULD IT BE IF YOU COULD THEORETICALLY FIT IT, FIT IT BEHIND THE HOUSE, SO THAT [00:50:01] LINE OF SIGHT? WELL, I MEAN, I I MEAN THE, THE APPLICANT HASN'T OFFERED THAT. IT'S, IT'S NOT YOUR JOB TO SOLVE HIS PROBLEM. YEP. I MEAN, WE UNDERSTAND THE BOARD'S QUESTION AND, AND, AND THE BOARD'S CONCERN AND, AND WE DO UNDERSTAND AND APPRECIATE THAT, BUT WE'RE ASKING FOR IT TO BE 40 FEET FOR THE PURPOSES THAT THE HOMEOWNER WANTS TO USE IT, WHICH IS, AND AGAIN, YOU MIGHT REMEMBER THE TESTIMONY FROM LAST MONTH IS THAT, UH, THE CAR PARTS SPREAD OUT QUITE A BIT. SO YES, ONE CAR TO, TO MS. TAYLOR'S POINT MIGHT BE PARKED IN THE, THE 20 FOOT BAY AND THEN THE OTHER 20 FOOT BAY IS SPREADING OUT. AND I DON'T RESTORE CARS, BUT I'M ASSUMING THERE'S MANY PARTS THAT ARE SMALL AND MANY THAT ARE BIG AND LAID OUT VERY, UM, NEATLY SO THAT THEY CAN BE ACCESSED WITHOUT HAVING TO STEP ON OVER AND PILE THEM. YEAH, I WAS JUST SAY, AND THE OTHER THING FOR WHAT IT'S WORTH IS IF IT'S JUST THE VISUAL, UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, THIS IS GETTING INTO DIFFERENT THINGS, BUT LIKE FENCING, YOU KNOW, I'VE GOT A SPLIT RAIL, YOU KNOW, THREE OR THREE POSTS SPLIT RAIL FENCE RIGHT NOW. UM, YOU KNOW, IF, IF IT'S THE VISUAL FROM DRIVING BY, I'M AMENABLE TO STEVE. SORRY, EXCUSE ME. WE, EVERYTHING'S PICKING UP ON THE MIC, SO WE JUST NEED EVERYONE TO NOT SPEAK. THANK YOU. GO AHEAD. THANK YOU. I WAS JUST SAYING, UM, I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT FENCING REQUIREMENTS. I KNOW SOMEBODY MET, BROUGHT UP FENCING EARLIER. UM, YOU KNOW, IF IT'S, IF IT'S THE VISUAL WHEN DRIVING BY, UM, I'M CERTAINLY AMENABLE TO REPLACING MY SPLIT RAIL FENCE THAT YOU SEE THROUGH WITH PRIVACY FENCE. YOU KNOW, I, LIKE I SAID, I'M WILLING TO DO WHATEVER THE BOARD DEEM NECESSARY, UM, VISUALLY TO MAKE IT LESS OF, YOU KNOW, AN ISSUE FOR WHOEVER MAY HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT. UM, AND I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S, THAT'S CERTAINLY NOT LIKE PART OF THE, THE GARAGE, BUT JUST, YOU KNOW, IN GENERAL I DON'T, YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT BASED ON THE RESIDENCE THAT CAME UP AND SPOKE, I'M NOT SURE IF THAT WAS, I MEAN, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOMEONE THAT CAME UP AND TALKED ABOUT THE VEGETATION AND WHAT THE BUILDING BEING THE SIZE OF IT THAT IT IS. I'M NOT SURE IF ADDING SOME PLANTS WOULD, WOULD HELP VERY MUCH. UM, AND EVEN, YOU KNOW, A FENCE, UM, AND AS I UNDERSTAND IT FROM ONE OF THE RESIDENTS AND SPOKE THE TOPOGRAPHY OF YOUR STREET LENDS SOME OF YOUR NEIGHBORS TO BE ABLE TO LOOK DOWN, EVEN IF THERE WAS VEGETATION AND STILL STILL SEE THE STRUCTURE BECAUSE OF ITS SIZE THAT I DON'T, I MEAN, IF SHE SAYS THAT I BELIEVE HER, BUT I DON'T KNOW THAT TO BE TRUE OR UNTRUE. UM, I, I DO KNOW THAT WHERE I'M PROPOSING THE GARAGE IS ACTUALLY A ROUGHLY TWO FEET DEEPER THAN THE STREET. SO IT'S ACTUALLY UNK, SO THE BOTTOM, IT'S LIKE A, I FORGET THE CALCULATION. ALMOST TWO FEET IS LIKE 20 SOME INCHES. UM, YOU KNOW, YOU ACTUALLY DON'T EVEN SEE FROM THE STREET BECAUSE IT'S KIND OF LIKE HOOKING AND, AND MR. HACKETT, I, I BELIEVE THE NEIGHBOR'S TESTIMONY IS THAT SHE CAN SEE INTO THE YARD NOW. SO WHETHER THERE'S A GARAGE THERE OR WHETHER THERE IS A, A, A SMALLER GARAGE, A SHED, I, I'M NOT SURE UNDERSTOOD IT WOULD, IT WOULD MATTER TOO MUCH IN WHAT'S VISIBLE. IT'S NOT NECESSARILY THE SIZE OF THE SHED THAT MAKES IT VISIBLE. IT'S THE, JUST THE TOPOGRAPHY. MM-HMM . WELL, IF NO ONE ELSE FROM THE BOARD HAS ANY, UH, COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION. MS, SORRY, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE MS. TAYLOR, YOU DIDN'T HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS? I DON'T, I DON'T THINK SO, UNLESS THE BOARD HAS A, HAS QUESTIONS. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE I MOVE THAT THE APPLICATION BE DENIED. I SECOND, UH, ROLL CALL PLEASE. DO YOU WANT TO CLARIFY THE VOTE WHETHER A YAY IS A VOTE TO DENY? YES. IS IT A VOTE IN FAVOR OF DENYING THE APPLICATION? YES. SO WE'RE ALL CLEAR, RIGHT? YES. SO IF YOU VOTE YES, THEN YOU ARE, THEN THAT'S A VOTE TO DENY MR. LOPEZ. AYE. MR. GENTIL? AYE. MR. TENAL? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE AND MADAM CHAIR ON BOTH. OH. OH, I'M SORRY. BRANDON, YOU CAN'T VOTE BECAUSE YOU WEREN'T HERE LAST, DID YOU I WATCHED THE RECORDING. PARDON ME? I WATCHED THE RECORDING. CAN I, IF [00:55:01] YOU WATCH THE RECORDING AND SAYS THAT YOU WATCHED THE RECORDING THEN IT, SORRY, MR. DRAWS, DO YOU, IS THAT OKAY? YEAH, YOU HAVE TO CERTIFY TO THAT. DO WE HAVE THAT? I DON'T, I DON'T, I DIDN'T BRING THE CERTIFICATION, BUT I CAN GET IT TO YOU. OKAY. I CAN VOTE. YEAH, I MEAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA, IF YOU'RE PREPARED TO CERTIFY THAT YOU DID AND YOU ACTUALLY DID. YES, SURE. MR. MORRISON. AYE. MADAM CHAIR . AYE. THANK YOU. THE NEXT APPLICATION OF THE NIGHT IS, UH, EMILY MCDONALD, FIVE EAST LAKE CIRCLE BLOCK 38 0 5 BLOCK TWO, SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES FOR SIDE YARD SETBACK, BUILDING COVERAGE IN LOT COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 560 SQUARE FOOT DECK. HI, EMILY MCDONALD, FIVE EAST LAKE CIRCLE, , HANG ON A SECOND. WE READY? UM, YES, WE'RE THERE TO GO. OKAY, SO YOU'RE THE AFRICAN? YES. COME ON UP EVENTUALLY YOU'LL, WE, WE CAN YOU IN NOW? YOU WANNA DO THAT NOW? SURE, YEAH, YOU'LL BE TESTIFYING AND THAT'S FINE. COULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING THAT PLEASE? MY NAME'S EMILY MCDONALD, FIVE EAST LAKE CIRCLE IN MEDFORD, NEW JERSEY. THANK YOU, MA'AM. YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'VE GIVE TO THE BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I DO. AND RIGHT AHEAD. I'M HERE TO RESPECTFULLY ASKED THE BOARD FOR A VARIANCE ON THE CONSTRUCTION OF MY DECK. MY HUSBAND AND I MOVED TO LAKE PINE IN 2016. MY HUSBAND WAS WHEELCHAIR BOUND AND BEING ABLE TO ENJOY THE PEACEFUL VIEW OF THE LAKE FROM OUR HOME WAS SOMETHING HE REALLY LOVED. THE ORIGINAL DECK THAT WAS ON THE HOME, HOWEVER, HAD BECOME UNSAFE. THE RAILING WAS UNSTABLE, THE DECK BOARDS AND SUPPORT STRUCTURES WERE ROTTING CREATING A DANGEROUS SITUATION, ESPECIALLY FOR MY GRANDKIDS. AFTER MY HUSBAND PASSED AWAY IN MARCH OF 2025, I DECIDED IN HIS HONOR TO JUST REDO THE DECK. MY INITIAL INTENTION WAS SIMPLY TO REPLACE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AS THE PROGRESS. AS THE PROJECT PROGRESSED, I CHOSE TO EXPAND THE DECK SO THE AVAILABLE SPACE COULD BE BETTER UTILIZED AND THE LAKE VIEW MORE FULLY ENJOYED. AT THAT TIME, I WAS NOT AWARE THAT VARIANCE WOULD BE REQUIRED FOR THIS EXPANSION. THE DECK REMAINS WITHIN THE FRAMEWORK OF THE BACK OF THE HOUSE. NO TREES WERE REMOVED DURING CONSTRUCTION AND THE NEW PORTION OF THE DECK IS APPROXIMATELY THREE FEET SHORTER THAN THE OVERALL LENGTH OF THE DWELLING. THIS IMPROVEMENT WAS MADE WITH SAFETY FAMILY AND THE CHARACTER OF THE PROPERTY IN MIND. I RESPECTFULLY ASK THE BOARD TO CONSIDER GRANTING THIS VARIANCE SO THAT I MAY CONTINUE TO ENJOY MY HOME AND THE VIEW THAT MEANT SO MUCH TO MY HUSBAND. THANK YOU FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. SO IS THE DECK COMPLETED NOW? YES. OKAY. IT WAS SO BAD WHEN WE STARTED THAT WE JUST, I JUST GOT CARRIED AWAY AND SAID, LET'S JUST MAKE IT BIGGER. NOT REALIZING THAT MY HUSBAND WAS A CABINET MAKER, HE WOULD'VE KNOWN ALL THIS. SO, SO, UM, PRIOR TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE, UH, OF THE DECK, WHICH WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, YOU HAD NO KNOWLEDGE THAT YOU HAD A PERMIT? NO, I, I THOUGHT I WAS JUST REPLACING WHAT WAS EXISTING. I DIDN'T EVEN KNOW I NEEDED A PERMIT. I DIDN'T KNOW, I JUST THOUGHT YOU COULD REPLACE WHAT WAS FALLING APART ON YOUR PROPERTY. SO HAVE YOU, DO YOU HAVE A PERMIT NOW OR A PERMIT? I HAVE TO GET A PERMIT, YES, BUT I COULDN'T UNTIL THE VARIANCE THE VARIANCE CAME THROUGH. I UNDERSTAND THAT SAID WHAT I WAS TOLD. I UNDERSTAND. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, DID YOU, UH, SEE MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER THAT SHE PREPARED? YES. OKAY, SO YOU HAVE THAT? YES. OKAY. UM, BUT I MEAN, I GUESS EVERYTHING'S ALREADY BUILT, SO YEAH. DO YOU HAVE ANY LIGHTING? NO, NOT JUST THE, UM, STRING LIGHTING AROUND. OKAY. THAT'S IT. THE LIGHTING THAT WAS THERE IS STILL THERE. NOTHING WAS CHANGED. OKAY. MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING? UM, UH, YES. UM, MADAM CHAIR, I'M HAPPY TO, TO, UM, DISCUSS THIS, UH, THE LOT AREA. I, I, I DID NOT NOTE THAT THE LOT AREA IS [01:00:01] LESS THAN AS IS REQUIRED. UM, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THIS LOT IS IN LAKE PINE AND IT IS UNDERSIZED. MM-HMM . UM, I'VE ACTUALLY BEEN ON THIS PROPERTY WHEN THE OLD DECK WAS THERE, SCOTT, THAT'S WHERE SCOTT GREW UP NEXT DOOR AT SEVEN EAST LEE CIRCLE. MM-HMM . SO, UM, UH, I, I DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH IT. I THINK GENERALLY SPEAKING, IT'S RELATIVELY MODEST. IT, IT IS SIMPLY IMPROVING A CONDITION THAT WAS THERE PREVIOUSLY AND MAYBE EXPANDING IT A LITTLE BIT. HOW DEEP IS THAT? UM, HOW, HOW DEEP IS IT APPROXIMATELY? DO YOU KNOW? LIKE, IS IT 14 EXISTING? PORCH WAS SEVEN. I'M SORRY. SWEAR. IT'S OKAY. I, I, I, SHE ANSWERED WELL ENOUGH. UM, IT'S 14. SO YOU KNOW, TYPICALLY TO HAVE A, A USEFUL PORCH REALLY, EIGHT FEET IS GREAT, 10 FEET IS TERRIFIC AND 14 FEET IS EVEN BETTER. RIGHT. AND THERE IS A SLOPE ON THIS LOT. MM-HMM . UM, YOU DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THAT. NO. UM, THERE'S A SLOW DOWN TO THE LEAK IN THIS POSITION. SO, UM, TO GET A FLAT SURFACE, UH, ACTUALLY REQUIRES EITHER STAIRS OR WALLS OR OTHER THINGS. SO THIS IS PROBABLY THE LEAST INTRUSIVE WAY TO MANAGE THE DECK ON THIS PARTICULAR LOT. THANK YOU. MM-HMM . UH, DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? NO. OKAY. CAN I JUST SAY ONE OTHER THING? YEAH, SURE. I WOULD LOVE TO THANK MS. BEL FOR HELPING ME THROUGH ALL THIS . I WAS VERY, VERY NERVOUS ABOUT IT AND SHE REALLY PUT ME AT EASE AND WORK REALLY WELL WITH ME AND I REALLY APPRECIATE IT. YOU'RE WELCOME. THAT'S NICE TO HEAR. UM, IF YOU JUST WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE, WE'RE GONNA OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. CAN I HAVE A MOTION PLEASE? MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW AND DO SO. SEEING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE? MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. WE CAN COME BACK UP. UM, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS OR ANYTHING. I THINK IT LOOKS GREAT. UM, SO ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. MARTHA? AYE. MR. ZUCK? AYE. MR. ? AYE. MS. ANO? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. AND MAD CHAIR, AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU SO MUCH. OKAY, NEXT APPLICATION NICHE HOLDINGS, LLC FIVE SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 8, BLOCK 50 0 1. SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT AND YOUR REAR YARD SETBACKS AND BUILDING COVERAGE FOR TWO ADDITIONS TO THE DWELLING. HI, I'M MIKE BOYD. CURRENTLY FOR THE APPLICANT, STEVEN MCCULLOCH NICHE HOLDINGS WHO HAS APPLIED FOR THE ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENTS OF MEDFORD TOWNSHIP FOR BOTH VARIANCE RELIEF FROM THE TERMS VERTICALS AND SECTIONS OF THE ZONING ORDINANCE, GD SUBSECTION 4 0 3 OF THE CODE, AND ANY OTHER VARIANCES THAT MAY BE REQUIRED OR IDENTIFIED. SO TO PERMIT RECONSTRUCTION OR REHAB OF A PROPERTY LOCATED ON FIVE SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST MEDFORD, NEW JERSEY, THE PROPERTY IS A LEGALLY EXISTING LOT WITHIN THE GROWTH DISTRICT. IT IS UNIQUELY SHALLOW, APPROXIMATELY 75 FEET DEEP WHERE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES 150 FEET IRREGULAR SHAPE AND PREEXISTING LOT CON CONDITION. THE EXISTING DWELLING WAS CONSTRUCTED ON OR ABOUT 1956 AND CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 1,076 SQUARE FEET WITH AN ATTACHED GARAGE. THE APPLICANT PROPOSES RECONFIGURATION OF THE GARAGE INTO LIVING SPACE MOD, MOD, MODEST REAR ADDITION. AND I HAVE TO POINT OUT ON THE REAR ADDITION, THERE'S NO HOMES BEHIND THIS HOUSE. A NEW TWO CAR GARAGE ATTACHED RELOCATION OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY. THE VARIANCES REQUESTED ARE BOTH VARIANCES UNDER NJSA 40 55 D SEVEN C ONE ARISING FROM EXCEPTIONAL DEATH DEPTHS DEFICIENCY OF THE PROPERTY AND IRREGULAR SHAPE. THE HARDSHIP IS NOT SELF-CREATED. IT RESULTS FROM THE LOT'S PREEXISTING SHALLOW CONDITION. THE HOME HAS NEVER BEEN RENOVATED SINCE. BLESS YEAR. THANK YOU. THE HOME HAS NEVER BEEN RENOVATED SINCE IT WAS BUILT. IT'S BEING BROUGHT UP TODAY'S STANDARDS OF LIVING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD OF BIRCHWOOD LAKES AND WILL MAINTAIN THE CHARACTER OF THE COMMUNITY. MY CLIENT DOES HAVE TWO PICTURES IF YOU WANT TO SEE, BECAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF THE COMMENTS IN MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER. THE HOME HAS ONLY ONE BATH, NO [01:05:01] LAUNDRY AREA. DO WE HAVE, ARE THESE PART OF THE APPLICATION ALREADY OR WE BRING THESE UP TONIGHT? I'M JUST BREAKING THOSE UP TODAY. OKAY. WELL WALK THESE, WE'LL MAKE THEM A ONE AND A TWO. OKAY. YEAH, BECAUSE, UM, HE DIDN'T HAVE THOSE IN THE APPLICATION, I FIGURED WOULD BE COLOR AND JUST MAKING IT CLEAR FOR THE RECORD. GREAT, THANK YOU. THE HOME ONLY HAS ONE BATH, NO LAUNDRY AREA. THERE ARE THREE SMALL BEDROOMS AND A GALLEY KITCHEN THAT WILL BE UPGRADED ACCORDING TO THE NEW PLANS THAT HAVE BEEN SUBMITTED TO THE TOWNSHIP. THE EXISTING GARAGE AND BREEZEWAY AREA WILL BE CONVERTED INTO A MASTER BEDROOM BATH AREA, WALK-IN CLOSET AND LAUNDRY ROOM. THERE WILL ALSO BE A TWO CAR ATTACHED GARAGE TO THE HOME FOR STORAGE AS THERE'S NO BASEMENT OR CRAWL SPACE. THE VARIANCE IS UNDER, UNDER SECTION FIVE 19. DO MEET THE SIDE YARD SETBACK REQUIREMENTS OF 15 FEET. WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE REQUIRED VARIANCES, WHICH ARE 50 FEET MINIMUM REQUIRED. FRONT YARD SETBACK, 26.2 FEET IS EXISTING AND 24.2 FEET IS PROPOSED. 50 FEET MINIMUM REQUIRED REAR YARD SETBACK. 28.8 FEET IS EXISTING AND 19.3 FEET IS PROPOSED. AGAIN, I LIKE TO POINT OUT THERE'S NO HOUSES BEHIND THE, THE WOODS ARE WETLANDS. 12% MAXIMUM PERMITTED BUILDING COVERAGE. NINE POINT 11 EXISTS AND 13.72 PROPOSED, WHICH IS REALLY ONLY 1.72% DIFFERENCE FROM THE MINIMUM FROM THE MAXIMUM TO THE PROPOSED. THE REASON WHY WE'RE ASKING FOR RELIEF FROM THE VARIANCE IS DUE TO THE IRREGULAR SHAPE OF THE LOT AND THE PREEXISTING CONDITION. THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE WILL CONSIST OF NEW WINDOWS, DOORS, ROOFING, SIDING WITH STONE ACCENTS, FRONT PORCH OVERHANG, AND A GARAGE WITH BORDERED GRAVEL DRIVEWAY. THERE WILL BE NO TREE REMOVAL ON THIS PROPERTY. JUST GENERAL CLEANUP, LANDSCAPING, TREES, SHRUBS, GRASS WILL BE ADDED ALL OUTSIDE PERIMETER LIGHTING WILL BE ON TIMERS AND DOWNWARD FACING NOT TO AFFECT THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES. THE OIL TANK IS STILL IN SERVICE AT THIS TIME, IS ABOVE GROUND AND WILL BE REMOVED AND DISPOSED OF WHEN PERMITS AND INSPECTIONS ARE COMPLETED. A NEW GAS SERVICE HAS ALREADY BEEN RUN TO THE PROPERTY. THE EXISTING ASPHALT DRIVEWAY WILL BE REMOVED AND DISPOSED OF. TOPSOIL WILL BE PUT DOWN AS REQUIRED IN ITS PLACE FOR GRASS AND SHRUBS. UNDER SUBSECTION FIVE 16. THE SITE CAN ACCOMMODATE THE PROPOSED UPDATED STRUCTURE KNOWING ENCROACHMENT TO ABUTTING PROPERTIES, EXISTING DRAINAGE. ALL SURFACES ARE PERMEABLE. I THINK IT'D BE BETTER BECAUSE THEY'RE TAKING OUT THE ASPHALT AND IT'S GONNA BE STONE DOWN. SPOUSE WILL BE REROUTED OUT TO LAWN AND POPUPS. THIS PRO PROJECT DOES NOT INCREASE RUNOFF TO THE CURRENT CONDITION. UH, THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW ALLOWS RELIEF WHERE STRICT COMPLIANCE WOULD CREATE A HARDSHIP DUE TO EXCEPTIONAL PROPERTY CONDITIONS. AS I HAD PROVIDED BEFORE, THE LOT IS 75 FOOT DEEP WHERE 150 IS REQUIRED. THE CONDITION IS UNIQUE, PRE-EXISTING AND NOT CREATED BY THE APPLICANT. THE REAR WETLANDS FURTHER RESTRICT BUILDABLE AREA. REQUESTED RELIEF IS MODEST. A SMALL REAR ENCROACHMENT MODEST INCREASE IN THE BUILDING COVERAGE, NO INCREASE IN DENSITY, NO CHANGE IN USE. THE PROPOSED PLAN MODERNIZES THE 1956 HOME WALL MAINTAINING NEIGHBORHOOD CHARACTER. AS YOU CAN SEE WITH THE PICTURES, THE BENEFITS SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH THE, THE DETRIMENT TO MY CLIENT. THE ZONE PLAN REMAINS INTACT. THE APPLICANT AGREES TO THE PLANTER'S CONDITIONS, UH, REGARDING TREES, LIGHTING, OIL, TANK REMOVER, AND DRIVEWAY RESTORATION. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. I WAS GOING THROUGH HIS, YOUR LETTER AND IT APPEARS THAT HE JUST PROVIDED TESTIMONY THAT COVERED EVERYTHING AND ADDED BONUS. UM, THERE WAS A BOAT IN THE BACKYARD FOR MANY YEARS THAT IS NO LONGER THERE. SO, SO BEFORE HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, AND I GREW UP IN MEDFORD AND I KNOW WHERE I GREW UP IN OAKWOOD LAKES BEFORE HE PURCHASED THE PROPERTY THERE, HE TOLD ME THERE WAS A 40 FOOT LOBSTER BOAT IN THE BACK WITH TREES GROWING THROUGH IT. THAT WAS THERE FOR PROBABLY [01:10:01] ABOUT 30 YEARS, SINCE 1986. WOW. I MOVED TO MEDFORD NAVY TOO. THEY ACTUALLY THINK OUT THE TREES IN ORDER TO GET THE BOAT INTO THE YARD. SO IT WAS JUST A DISASTER IN THE BACKYARD. THERE WAS SHEDS BUILT ON THE PROPERTY AS WELL. THAT WAS DILAPIDATED. THE FALL DOWN AND, UH, WE JUST PICTURE YOU GAVE US EARLIER, THAT'S WHAT'S THERE NOW. THAT'S, THAT'S PROPOSED. OKAY. THESE ARE JUST GONNA MM-HMM. THERE, THERE ARE PICTURES OF IT, WHAT IT USED TO LOOK LIKE. GOT IT. AS WELL. I MEAN THIS, THIS HOUSE IS IN DESPERATE NEED OF A FACELIFT AND MODERNIZATION AND CLEARLY BASED UPON THE SHAPE OF THE HOUSE OR THE SHAPE OF THE LOT AND THE PLACEMENT OF THE HOUSE ON THE LOT, WHICH YOU DIDN'T REALLY GET INTO. RIGHT. IN ORDER TO REFURBISH IT AND MAKE IT LIVABLE, YOU, YOU NEED TO PUT ADDITIONS ON IT AND TO MAKE IT MORE CONTEMPORARY AND USABLE. SO. RIGHT. SO TO POINT OUT THE, HE, MY CLIENT SAID THAT THE DISHWASHER, UH, OR THE WASHER AND DRYER ARE IN TWO SEPARATE ROOMS. LIKE ONE'S IN LIKE PART OF THE KITCHEN, IN THE LIVING IN THE KITCHEN. DID YOUR STEPS IN FOR YEAH. SO HE'S, DOES HE NEED TO SWEAR COMMISSION? DOES HE NEED TO SWEAR IN OR NO? WELL, REALLY OFFERING TESTIMONY. YOU KNOW, WHY NOT? IF YOU, IF YOU WOULDN'T MIND. YEAH. 88 SOUTHWEST SIDE DRIVE EAST JERSEY. SIR, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU HAVE GIVEN AND WILL GIVE TO THE BOARD IS, UH, TRUTH, WHOLE TRUTH AND THE BUT THE TRUTH. YES. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO LIVE IN A NEIGHBORHOOD LIVE ACTUALLY RIGHT DOWN THE STREET, SO. GREAT. UM, ARE YOU LEANING MORE TOWARDS ONE OR THE OTHER FOR THESE PICTURES? I'M LEANING MORE TOWARDS THE MARK MM-HMM . LOOKING, MAKE IT MORE LIKE, UH, YOU KNOW, GO TOWARDS MORE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD. MM-HMM . NEIGHBORHOOD. MY HOUSE IS SOMEWHAT THE SAME ON THE LAKE. RIGHT. THE STREET FROM THERE LOOKS LIKE A TRAIL, LAKE HOUSE. VERY NICE. THE HARDSHIP AT AT THIS, THIS IS A C ONE IN THE SHOP? YES. IT HAS TWO AND, AND IT WOULD THE C TWO AS AS WELL. IT, THE SHAPE OF THE LOT, THE PLACEMENT OF THE DWELLING ON THE LOT. OKAY. UM, AND, AND FRANKLY, YOU KNOW, THE IMPROVEMENT FROM IT, I MEAN LITERALLY I DON'T THINK ANYONE'S DONE ANYTHING TO IT SINCE 1956. IT DOES NOT APPEAR AS THOUGH THE GENTLEMAN HAD YEAH. PASSED AWAY IN THE HOUSE. HE ACTUALLY BROKE IN THAT HOUSE, SO IT WAS PASSED ON FROM FEDERATION. IT WAS NEVER RENOVATED. RIGHT. UM, MY NEIGHBORS IN THAT AREA, THEY REALLY WANTED TO GET RENOVATED. I, I'M SURE THAT'S WHY THEY'RE NOT HERE. , . AND THEY DID WHAT HE HAD TO DO BY SENDING OUT THE CERTIFIED LETTERS, PROVIDED PROOF, BUT ALSO THE NEIGHBOR ON THE FLOOR, THEY HAVE FIVE ACRES. THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY UP SALE THEN AND UM, THERE HAS IS SET WAY IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY MM-HMM . ONTO THE LEFT OF THE HOUSE. AND UM, LIKE MIKE SAID, THERE'S NOBODY BEHIND. THERE'S ACTUALLY A STREAM WAY IN THE BACK AND IT'S ALL WET MESS. MM-HMM . SO NOBODY CAN BUILD IN THE BACK AS WELL. OKAY. DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? OKAY THEN UM, I WILL TAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC. MOTION TO OPEN THE PUBLIC SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. THERE IS ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION. YOU MAY ON BOARD NOW TO DO SO. SEE NONE. MOTION TO CLOSE. MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY, OKAY. NO CLOSING COMMENTS. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. GREAT. OKAY. I'LL TAKE A ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND ROLL CALL. MR. MARSHALL. AYE. MR. ? AYE. MR. VENT? AYE. MR. PEN? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. AND, UH, CHAIR? AYE. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANKS. VERY GOOD. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. WELCOME. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT APPLICATION. COLLEEN CHECKS STEVENS 3 81 TAVISTOCK DRIVE BLOCK 27 0 1 0 9. LOT ONE SEEKING A BOLT VARIANCE FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR A ONE STORY FAMILY ROOM AND A SECOND STORY MASTER SUITE ADDITION TO THE DWELLING. HI. HI. GOOD EVENING. THANKS. RED. YES PLEASE. YOU ARE THE APPLICANT? YES. COLLEEN CHUCK STEVENS. VERY GOOD. AND, UH, WE'LL SWEAR YOU IN. THAT'S FINE MA'AM. YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD BE THE TRUTH AND WHOLE TRUTH ENOUGH, BUT THE TRUTH. YES. GO RIGHT AHEAD. HI, GOOD EVENING. I PREPARED A STATEMENT THAT WAY I DON'T MOVE MY TRAIN OF THOUGHT. UM, BASED ON, UM, WHAT MS. TAYLOR PROVIDED US AS WELL. GOOD EVENING BOARD. MY NAME IS COLLEEN CHUCK STEVENS. I'M HERE FOR MY VARIANCE APPLICATION FOR 3 81 TAB. STOCK DRIVE, APPOINT, UH, FIVE ACRE PROPERTY IN THE DEERBROOK NEIGHBORHOOD. OUR LOT [01:15:01] CONTAINS A SINGLE FAMILY, TWO STORY DWELLING CONSTRUCTED IN 1973. WE ARE PROPOSING TO CONSTRUCT AN ADDITION ON THE REAR EAST SIDE OF OUR HOME AND A MASTER BEDROOM ON THE SOUTH SIDE OVER THE EXISTING ONE STORY ATTACHED, UM, GARAGE. OUR APPLICATION FOR THE VARIANCE IS FOR THE 30 FEET REQUIRED SIDE FROM SETBACK ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE HOUSE WHERE THE MASTER BEDROOM WILL BE CONSTRUCTED OVER THE EXISTING GARAGE. 18.9 FEET EXISTS, UM, ON THE SOUTHEAST CORNER, THE BACK STRUCTURE AND 32.3 FEET EXISTS ON THE SOUTHWEST CORNER IN THE FRONT. IT'S LIKE A HIGH SHAPED LOT. UM, THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, UH, SITS BACK 16 INCHES, UM, FROM THE EXISTING, UM, WALL OF THE GARAGE CURRENTLY, WHICH WOULD MAKE IT 23 POINT, UM, 20.3 FEET. OUR REQUEST FOR APPROVAL RELEASED SPECIFICALLY TO THE MASTER BEDROOM OVER THE GARAGE ON THE SIDE, UM, OF THE HOUSE OVER THE PRE-EXISTING ATTACHED GARAGE AND THE FAMILY ROOM ADDITION IN THE REAR, UM, OF THE HOUSE ADJACENT TO THE SIDE YARD. UM, THIS ADDITION WAS CREATED TO ACCOMMODATE OUR FAMILY OF FIVE. I HAVE THREE DAUGHTERS, TWO DOGS. UM, WE'RE RUNNING OUTTA THE ROOM. . UM, BASICALLY, UM, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE A BASEMENT. UM, THESE UPDATES WILL ACCOMMODATE, UM, OUR LIFESTYLE. I HAVE A FRESHMAN AT SHAWNEE AS A SEVENTH GRADER, MEMORIAL FOURTH GRADER AT ALLEN. UM, THEY HAVE A LOT OF STUFF. UM, WE ARE VERY IMMERSED IN THE BEDFORD COMMUNITY. UM, I COACH ALL OF THEIR SPORTS, UH, FIELD HOCKEY, LACROSSE, GOLF, BASKETBALL, ALL THE THINGS. UM, WE JUST NEED MORE ROOM. UM, WE DON'T WANNA LEAVE THE COMMUNITY. WE LOVE DEERBROOK. WE LOVE MEDFORD, UM, AND ARE OBVIOUSLY LOOKING TO MAKE OUR HOME MORE COMFORTABLE IN ORDER TO STAY. UM, THE PROJECT WAS DESIGNED BY ARCHITECT CHRISTOPHER CALDER IN 2021. SO THIS HAS BEEN, UM, SOMETHING WE'VE BEEN HOPING, WAITING FOR FOR A WHILE. UM, KNOWING THE STRUCTURE OF LAWFULLY EXISTS ON THE PROPERTY SINCE 1973, OUR ADDITION, IF GRANTED VARIANCE APPROVAL WOULD BE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. WITH OUR PROPOSED CHANGES, OUR HOUSE WOULD COMPLIMENT THE BEAUTIFUL HOMES OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, THAT HAVE ALREADY COMPLETED SIMILAR CONSTRUCTION PROJECTS. THE BENEFITS OF THE REQUESTED DEVIATIONS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY POTENTIAL DETRIMENT. FURTHERMORE, GRANTED THE VARIANCE WOULD NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE ZONING PLAN OR ZONING ORDINANCE. THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE AND COLOR OF THE STRUCTURE WILL MATCH OUR HOME'S, EXISTING FOREST SCREEN SIDING AND OVERALL EXTERIOR AESTHETIC. ANY NEW LIGHTING WOULD COMPLIMENT THE EXTERIOR LIGHTING FACING, UM, THE GROUND WITH MOTION SENSORS. ALL OF THE, UM, ALL TREES OF SIX INCH OR GREATER WITHIN THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE, INCLUDING THE EXPANDED FIRST FLOOR GRADING MATERIAL STORAGE AND SITE CONSTRUCTION OPERATIONS WILL BE IDENTIFIED AND REPLACED IF DISTURBED. UM, WE HAVE WORKED CLOSELY WITH FANCY AND ASSOCIATES TO ENSURE COMPLIANCE WITH OUR PLAN. UM, WITH THAT SAID, THERE ARE NO PLANS TO REMOVE OR DISTURB ANY TREES AS PART OF THIS PROJECT. THE TREES ARE LOCATED ALONG THE PERIMETER OF THE PROPERTY AND ARE OUTSIDE THE DESIGNATED PROJECT AREA. UM, THIS PROJECT HAS BEEN A DREAM FIVE YEARS, , AND, UH, WE EELY ONLY, UH, PATENT CONSTRUCTION WITH THE BOARD'S APPROVAL CAN BEGIN, UM, CONSTRUCTION. THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME AND CONSIDERATION. THANK YOU. I THINK YOU'VE, UM, TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING EXCEPT FOR THE LAST PIECE, WHICH WAS AN EXISTING SHED THAT YOU HAVE ON YOUR PROPERTY. UM, YES. SO BASICALLY IT'S LOCATED IN AN AREA THAT'S, IT'S NOT PERMITTED TO BE LOCATED IN, SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO MOVING IT? YES, YES. LIKE I SAID, WE WORKED WITH FANCY ASSOCIATES TO KNOW WHERE THE WETLANDS ARE. OKAY. AND WHERE THAT CAN BE MOVED TO. OKAY. YES. UM, I THINK THAT, I THINK YOU TOUCHED ON EVERYTHING IN MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER. MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE TO, TO ADD OR COMMENT ON? I MEAN, SIMILAR TO THE LAST APPLICATION, YOU KNOW, TO PUT AN ADDITION ON AN EXISTING STRUCTURE, THERE'S NO OTHER PLACE TO PUT IT EXCEPT WHERE THE STRUCTURE IS. YEAH. UM, TO MAKE SENSE OF THE INTERIOR SPACE. SO THAT'S JUSTIFIED AS A C ONE. AND I, I THINK CERTAINLY THE, THE DRAWINGS LOOK GREAT AND I DON'T THINK THERE SHOULD BE ANY REAL CONCERN ABOUT IT. OKAY. ANY COMMENTS FROM THE BOARD? NO. OKAY. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION OPEN TO PUBLIC PLEASE? MOTION OPEN. SECOND. A ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW TO DO SO. NOW CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE. MOTION TO CLOSE. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. UM, OKAY, GREAT. I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING, ANY OTHER COMMENTS? SO [01:20:01] ENTERTAIN A MOTION PLEASE. MOTION TO APPROVE. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. MORRISON. AYE. MRS. ROSA? AYE. MR. GEN AYE. MR. AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR ENVELOPE. AYE. THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. YOU WELCOME. THANK YOU. UH, OKAY. WE HAVE ONE MORE BEFORE WE ADJOURN. ONE MORE ITEM THAT MS. TAYLOR WANTED US TO ADD TO THE AGENDA. THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. I'M LOOKING NOW. SO BY WAY OF EXPLANATION, UM, SOMETIMES THE ZONING OFFICER ASKS US TO DO RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE THAT WILL BE ANN. AND WE LOOK AT PLANS THAT THE BOARD HAS APPROVED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY DO WHAT THEY'RE SUPPOSED TO DO. UM, AND I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT AN APPLICATION THAT WAS DONE IN 2024. I'M GONNA TRY TO SAY WHO WAS HERE. SO UNFORTUNATELY , THERE AREN'T A LOT OF YOU. SO IT WAS, UM, MR. RICKERS, UH, IS, WAS NOT HERE. MR. UMBA, MS. UMBA AND MR. MORRISON. SO WHO WAS THIS? JUST THE TWO OF US. JUST THE TWO OF US. OH, COOL. SO, UM, THE REAGAN DESIGN GROUP PLANS WERE WHAT? THEY, THEY GAVE THE BOARD AT THE TIME. UNFORTUNATELY, I DON'T HAVE A LARGER COPY THAN THAT. ARE YOU PICKING ME UP? SO THIS IS BIGGER AND I HAVE A MICROPHONE. SO, SO THIS IS THE FRONT. SO THE WINDOWS ARE SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. I THINK THERE WERE MORE WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE, THE, THE PLANS THAT YOU HAVE. UM, THE SIDE IS NOT THAT MUCH DIFFERENT EXCEPT THERE'S A RAMP. THEY DID DISCUSS THAT AS PART OF THE HEARING. SO THAT WAS SO SOMETHING THAT CAME UP. YEAH. UM, BECAUSE THERE WAS STAIRS ON ONE OF THE DRAWINGS, WHICH IS WHAT YOU HAVE IN FRONT OF YOU. MM-HMM . UM, AND THEN THE REAR IS SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT. SO THE FOOTPRINT HASN'T CHANGED A WHOLE LOT. UM, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF, UH, THERE ARE LESS WINDOWS UP ABOVE ON THIS UPPER FLOOR, THIS LIKE HALF STORY SPACE. UM, AND THERE IS NOW A, UH, A SHED ROOF OVER THE PORCH. SO I LOOKED AT IT AND I FELT COMFORTABLE ADMINISTRATIVELY APPROVING IT, BUT IT WASN'T EXACTLY THE SAME. SO I AM PUTTING IT IN FRONT OF YOU. OKAY. SO I WAS COMFORTABLE WITH IT, BUT SOMETIMES I LIKE TO JUST DOUBLE CHECK AND MAKE SURE YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE RECORD. THERE WAS NOTHING IN MY NOTES. THERE WAS NOTHING IN THE RESOLUTION. BUT AGAIN, WHEN YOU'RE HANDED A SET OF PLANS AND YOU GO, OH, I LIKE THAT. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE A LOT OF CONVERSATION ABOUT IT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT. SO. OKAY. I THINK I'M OKAY WITH IT. OKAY. WE DON'T, THAT'S IT. WE DON'T NEED. THAT'S OKAY. PERFECT. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? MOTION TO ADJOURN. ALL IN FAVOR. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. 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