* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. [1. Convening of Meeting ] [00:00:03] ALL RIGHT. GOOD EVENING EVERYBODY. I WOULD LIKE TO CALL THE JANUARY 21ST, 2026, UM, REORGANIZATION, MEETING THE ORDER. UM, THIS MEETING'S BEING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING WAS PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD, UM, SETTING FORTH THE CLIENT PLACE AND MATTERS TO BE ADDRESSED. [3. Swear in new and reappointed board members ] WE DO HAVE A COUPLE NEW BOARD MEMBERS AND RETURNING BOARD MEMBERS TO BE SWORN IN. SO IF THOSE JOINING US AND DO WE NEED TO BE SWORN? PLEASE STAND AND RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YES. SO WE HAVE, UH, HACKETT. I BELIEVE THAT'S IT. MSBA, MR. AND MR. 10, 10 OFF AS WELL. YEAH. NOT MR. HACKETT, MR. TOWN. OH, OKAY. SORRY. ALL RIGHTY. EVERY, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. I STATE YOUR NAME. I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM DO SOLEMN SWEAR. SWEAR OR AFFIRM THAT I WILL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THE CONSTITUTION, CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THAT I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME, AND THAT I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME AND TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED FROM THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE AND IN THIS STATE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM, I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR OR AFFIRM BY FIXING MY SIGNATURE AND SEAL BY FIXING MY SIGNATURE AND SEAL THAT I WILL FAITHFULLY, IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY THAT I ALLOW FAITHFULLY, PARTIALLY PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES AS A MEMBER OF, PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES AS MEMBER, AS A MEMBER OF THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD, ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. SO HELP ME, GOD. BOARD BEST OF MY HELP GUYS. CONGRATULATIONS. NICE JOB. WOULD YOU PLEASE DO THE ROLL CALL MS. AMBA. HERE. MR. RICKERS? HERE. MR. MORRISON. MR. KOFO? HERE. MR. GENTIL? HERE. MR. TURNOFF. HERE. AND MR. HACKETT HERE. THANK YOU. AT [6. Executive Session (Regarding Professional Board Appointments) ] THIS TIME I'LL NEED A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PROFESSIONAL APPOINTMENTS. CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU. ANN, ARE WE? YES. ARE THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR WE DIDN'T, I'M SORRY. PARDON? CAN WE HAVE A POINT OF ORDER? WE DIDN'T DO THE FRIDAY FLAG SALUTE OR ANYTHING? OH, I'M SORRY. DID WE START THE MEETING? WE SKIPPED THAT. WE CAN DO THE FLAG SALUTE. WHO STARTED THE MEETING? IS THIS, THIS IS WHY I DON'T, THAT'S WHY WE DON'T HAVE, WHY WE NEED A CHAIR PERSON. I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS. ONE NATION UNDER GOD INVISIBLE WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR OUR OVERALL NICE JOB. THANK YOU. ONE JOB, . GOOD CATCH. OKAY. I WAS LIKE FOUR SECOND. NOW WE'RE READY. NOW WE'RE, WOULD SOMEONE [7. Nomination and Election of Chairman ] LIKE TO NOMINATE SOMEONE FOR CHAIRMAN? I'LL MAKE A MOTION FOR DANA AS CHAIRWOMAN. SECOND MADAM CHAIR. ARE THERE ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? SEEING NONE. I WOULD LIKE TO DO A VOTE. MR. MS. BEL? AYE. MR. RICKARDS? AYE. MR. ZPO? AYE. MR. GENCHI? AYE. MR. TENOL AYE. AND MR. HACKETT? YEAH. AYE. ARE [8. Nomination and Election of ViceChairman ] THERE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIRMAN? I'D LIKE TO ATE MR. RICKARDS. SECOND. ARE THERE ANY OTHER SEEING NONE. DO ROLL CALL MR. RICKARDS? AYE. MR. ZORO? AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MR. TENOL? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. AND CHAIRWOMAN AYE. THANK YOU. AND I'LL TURN THE MEETING OVER TO MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. OKAY. [9. Memorialization of Resolutions] UH, NEXT WE'RE GONNA GO INTO MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS. UM, IS IT OKAY IF I DO A THROUGH D JUST BY CONSENT? CONSENT OR DO WE JUST NEED TO YOU CAN DO IT BY CONSENT. UM, JUST CALL OUT WHO THE INDIVIDUALS ARE THAT ARE GONNA BE APPOINTED AND THEN ASK FOR A MOTION APPROVING BY CONSENT AGENDA. OKAY. SORRY. YOU STILL HAVE TO PUT THE NAME AT THE END OF IT AFTER YOU READ IT, PUT THE NAME OF THE PERSON. OKAY. UM, IS THAT CORRECT? OKAY. SO [00:05:01] RESOLUTION 2026 DASH OH ONE. APPOINTMENT OF ZONING BOARD SECRETARY. IS THAT YOU ANN? YES. ANN BELL. UH, RESOLUTION 20 26 0 2. APPOINTMENT OF ZONING BOARD REPORTING SECRETARY SUNSHINE DELLE DELLE. THANK YOU. UH, RESOLUTION 20 26 0 3, ESTABLISHED 2026 MEETING DATES RESOLUTION 20 26 0 4 DESIGNATION OF THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER. I HAVE A MOTION. UH OH. ALL IN FAVOR? SORRY. WE JUST NEED A MOTION. AND SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? OKAY. WAS THAT THE MOTION OR A MOTION TO APPROVE? SECOND, BECAUSE IT'S BY CONSENT AGENDA, RIGHT. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR, CORRECT? AYE. OKAY. ANY OPPOSED? WONDERFUL. UH, OKAY. RESOLUTION 2026 DASH OH FIVE. APPOINTMENT OF TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP AS ZONING BOARD PLANNER. I HAVE A MOTION. MAKE A MOTION. SECOND. SECOND. ROLL CALL. MR. MAR. OH, SORRY. MR. RIS. AYE. MR. GENIX? AYE. MR. TENOL? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RECORDS? AYE. CHAIRMAN, NU AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. AND RESOLUTION 2026 DASH OH SIX. APPOINTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL RESOLUTIONS INC. AS ZONING BOARD ENGINEER MAKE A MOTION OF APPROVE. SECOND ROLL CALL. MRS. . AYE. MR. GENCHI? AYE. MR. OOFF? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RICK AYE. CHAIRWOMAN AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. UM, OKAY, DID EVERYONE [10. Minutes – December 17, 2025 Regular Meeting Minutes ] HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE DECEMBER 17TH, 2025 REGULAR MEETING MINUTES. AND DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS, EDITS? I HAD ONE EDIT ON THERE. I'VE ALREADY ADDRESSED IT. IT WAS JUST CHAIR CHAIRWOMAN ON BY WAS OUT AND JUST NEEDED TO BE CORRECTED AT THE TOP OF THE PAGE AND THAT WAS IT. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE? OKAY. SO CAN I HAVE A, A MOTION TO APPROVE THE SO WHO MEETING MINUTES SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. GENCHI? AYE. MR. TENOL? AYE. MR. ? AYE. AND VICE CHAIRMAN RICK AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY. UM, SEEING NO REPORTS AND WE HAVE, UM, CORRESPONDENCE. [12. Correspondence ] YEAH. SO IN YOUR PACKET YOU HAVE, UM, IT'S A, I DON'T WANNA SAY MONTHLY, BUT BIMONTHLY, UM, LETTER THAT THEY'RE NOW DOING ELECTRONICALLY THE NJPO, THE PLANNING FOR OUR 2025, UM, NOVEMBER AND DECEMBER. UH, THERE'S SOME GOOD INFORMATION IN THERE IF YOU CAN, UH, GET A CHANCE TO READ IT. UM, AND THEN ALSO THERE WAS A CORRESPONDENCE FROM THE ATTORNEY FOR EAST WIRELESS TO HAVE REQUESTS TO BE CARRIED TO THE FEBRUARY 18TH MEETING. I THINK IT IS, THAT'S CORRECT. WITHOUT EITHER FOR, FOR FURTHER NOTICE. OKAY. IF YOU JUST ESTABLISH THE DATES IT DATE FOR SHORT. 18TH IS THE PLANNER NOT BEING PRINTED ANYMORE? IT'S JUST ELECTRONIC NOW. EXCUSE ME. IS THE PLANNER NOT BEING PRINTED ANYMORE? IT'S JUST ELECTRONIC. CORRECT. OKAY. DID YOU SEE IT IN YOUR PACKET? HMM? DID YOU SEE IT IN YOUR PACKET? YES. YOU, YOU HAVE IT. OKAY. OKAY. I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE A COPY FOR YOU. YEP. SAID PAT, UH, MR. , DO WE NEED A MOTION AND A VOTE FOR THE CARRY? WE DO NEED A MOTION TO CARRY THE EASTERN WIRELESS APPLICATION TO THE FEBRUARY 17TH MEETING. 2026 WITHOUT FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY. I SHOULD KNOW THAT THAT'S NOT 18 FEBRUARY 18TH. 20 FEBRUARY 18TH. OKAY. 2026 WITHOUT THE NEED FOR FURTHER NOTICE. I'LL MAKE A MOTION OR DID YOU JUST SECOND? I'LL SECOND THAT. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR ZOGA. FOSS AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MR. TENOL? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RECORDS AYE. AND CHAIRWOMAN NUMBER? AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, NEXT [13. Memorialization of Resolutions ] IS MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 53 ROBERT MASUCCI 11 SAWMILL ROAD BLOCK 66 0 1 LOT 22 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE TO EXCEED THE LOT COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN IN GROUND SWIMMING POOL. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION? MOTION ACTUALLY MAKE A CHANGE FOR THE ACTUAL APPLICATION PIECE AND PUT UH, VICE CHAIRPERSON AT THE BOTTOM. DANA WAS NOT IN ATTENDANCE. OKAY. WE'LL MAKE A CHANGE. APOLOGIZE. THEY'LL MAKE THE CHANGES. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH THE EXCHANGE. SECOND ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. GENTIL. AYE. MR. ZOGA? AYE. MR. TENOL? AYE. AND VICE CHAIRMAN RICKS AYE. THANK YOU. RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 54 MATTHEW BECK, ONE AMESBURY PARK BLOCK 65 0 1 0 2 LOT 79 APPROVING BOTH VARIANCES FOR TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES EXCEEDING THE GROSS AREA FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND ONE OF THE ACCESSORY ACCESSORY [00:10:01] STRUCTURES TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD ON A QUARTER LOT AND A 54 FOOT ALUMINUM FENCE IN THE FRONT YARD. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH THE SAME CHANGE. BOTTOM SECOND. OKAY, ROLL CALL MR. GENTILLY. AYE. MR. ? AYE. MR. OTEN? AYE. AND VICE CHAIRMAN RICKS AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, NOW MOVING [14. Applications] INTO APPLICATIONS. OUR FIRST APPLICATION OF THE NIGHT, RYAN EDY, 11 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST BLOCK 34 0 4 31 0 4, LOT SIX SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT YARD AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS, BUILDING COVERAGE AND LOT COVERAGE TO ENCLOSE THE CARPORT AT A SECOND STORY AND A PATIO TO THE RESIDENTIAL DWELL DWELLING. ALRIGHT SIR, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD. RYAN LINTY. L-I-N-G-U-I-T-I. AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES, SIR. BACK TO YOU MADAM CHAIR. THANK YOU. HI. HI. CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION PLEASE? YEAH, I'M, I'M JUST GONNA RUN THROUGH THE TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP ITEMS AND SURE. I'LL TRY TO KEEP IT SHORT AND SWEET. UH, THE 0.3 ACRE PROPERTY IS LOCATED AT 11 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST THE REAR YARD ABUTS BIRCHWOOD LAKE. THE LOT CONTAINS APPROXIMATELY 2,500 SQUARE FOOT ONE STORY SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING, INCLUDING INCLUDING AN ATTACHED CARPORT AND FRONT ENTRY STOOP THAT WAS CONSTRUCTED IN 1965. AN EXISTING REAR PATIO AND WALKWAY ARE LOCATED ALONG THE PORTION OF THE REAR OF THE DWELLING. THE PROPERTY IS WITHIN THE GROVE DISTRICT. WE ARE REQUESTING TO ADD A SECOND FLOOR OVER A PORTION OF THE DWELLING, ENCLOS THE CARPORT, AND ADD A SMALL FRONT PORCH LANDING OR STOOP AND ADD A SMALL ROOF OVER THE REAR PATIO. THE SPECS ON NOTABLE VARIANCES ARE EXISTING BUILDING COVERAGE IS 27.5% AND PROPOSED IS 27.8%. EXISTING LOT COVERAGE IS 32.6% AND PROPOSED IS 35.7%. THE DENIAL OF THE VARIANCE WOULD RESULT IN EXCEPTIONAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES BY WAY OF RED REDESIGN OF PLANS BACK OF SPACE TO GROWTH, FAMILY AND IMPACT SIGNIFICANT FINANCIAL INVESTMENT. AND FOR FAR OFF FUTURE SALE OF THE HOUSE, THE VARIANCE CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. SINCE IT IS ONLY AFFECTING THE UPWARDS BUILDING OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND DI MINIMIS OUTWARD, THE BENEFITS OF THE DEVIATION WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT BY WAY OF INVESTING IN THE PROPERTY AND BRINGING UP THE APPEAL OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD, THE VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE. SINCE WE ARE ONLY BUILDING ABOVE THE EXISTING STRUCTURE AND REMAINING A PRIMARY RESIDENCE. THE BOARD, THIS WAS IN THE TAYLOR GROUP, I'M JUST, IT WAS, IT SAYS HERE, THE BOARD SHOULD BE ADVISED THAT SUBSECTION FIVE 19 PERMITS EXISTING STRUCTURES CONSTRUCTED TO PRIOR 1979 TO BE LOCATED 15 FEET FROM THE SIDE LOT LINE. HOWEVER, EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES IS NOT PERMITTED PER MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW AND RELEVANT CASE LAW. UH, THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE IS IN FOLLOWING WITH THE CURRENT CALIFORNIA RANCH STYLE AND GRAY BEIGE SIDING WITH BLACK SHUTTERS, WHICH IS COMPLIMENTARY TO THE EXISTING BUILDING OR PROPOSED FINISHES AND MATERIALS. NO TREES OF SIX INCHES OF CALIBER OR GREATER ARE WITHIN THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE. AND FINALLY, REGARDING SITE AND BUILDING LIGHTING, UH, EXISTING EXTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE CUT OFF DIRECTED DOWNWARDS ON TIMERS OR MOTION SENSORS, LOW WATTAGE AND OF A WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. AND THANKS TO ANN AND AMANDA IN THE OFFICE. THEY WERE A BIG HELP. THAT WAS GREAT. . MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY VERBATIM ADDITIONAL YEAH, NO, I, I MEAN I THINK HIS, HIS TESTIMONY WAS SPOT ON. YOU KNOW, THE HOUSE IS THERE AND HE'S PUTTING AN ADDITION ON IT AND SO WHERE ELSE COULD HE PUT THE ADDITION PUT ON TOP OF IT BUT UP THE EXISTING STRUCTURE. CORRECT. , THAT IS AN EXCEPTIONAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTY. OKAY. I GOT UM, DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO, I JUST LOVE THAT HOUSE. I'VE BEEN IN THAT HOUSE WHEN I WAS A KID FOR SOME FRIENDS THAT USED TO LIVE THERE. OH, NJA. YEAH. THAT'S COOL. LONG TIME AGO. THANKS. UM, OKAY, IF YOU JUST WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC. UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO MOTION TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO COME SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD NOW AND DO SO. SEEING NONE CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE? SO MOVE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK I KNOW YOU, YOU'RE NOT DONE YET. COME BACK UP. [00:15:01] SPOTLIGHT. UM, NO, BUT WE JUST HAVE TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION NOW TO YEAH. OKAY. UM, BUT THANK YOU FOR YOUR TESTIMONY AND FOR GOING THROUGH MS. TAYLOR'S LETTER VERY, YOU KNOW, SUCCINCT. THAT WAS GREAT. UM, I DON'T HAVE ANY QUESTIONS. I THINK THIS IS, UH, LOOKS GREAT. SO CAN, IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO CRAFT A MOTION THAT WOULD BE GREAT AS WELL. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE A SECOND THAT. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. THANK YOU MR. ZO. AYE. MR. GENCHI? AYE. MR. 10? AYE. MR. ETT? AYE. VICE-CHAIRMAN RICKARDS AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU PROJECT. GOOD LUCK. OKAY, NEXT APPLICATION. JASON KLEINMAN, THREE QUAIL RIDGE COURT BLOCK 53 0 1 0 1 LOT 32 0 5, SEEKING A BOTH VARIANCE TO CONSTRUCT A 40 BY 40 ACCESSORY STRUCTURE WHERE THE MAXIMUM DEPTH PERMIT DEPTH PERMITTED IS 24. YOU WANNA START WITH SOME SWEARING IN COUNSEL? COUNSEL, CORRECT. SORRY. YEAH, UH, YOU CAN SEE GONNA BE ON THE STRUGGLE. INTRODUCE YOURSELF . UM, WE'LL START OVER HERE. MELANIE LAVAN, I'M THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT WITH A LAW FIRM OF IRV COHEN. I HAVE WITH ME THE APPLICANT, JASON KLEINMAN. UM, YOU CAN PERHAPS SWEAR IN AND PERFECT. SIR, DO YOU RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. CAN YOU PLEASE JUST STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD? JASON KLEINMAN. K-L-E-I-N-M-A-N. AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I AM. ALRIGHTY. WE'LL LET YOUR COUNSEL GET SET UP AND MADAM CHAIR THEN WE CAN TAKE IT AWAY. THANK YOU. YEP, GO. JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'LL MARK THAT PHOTO BOARD AS EXHIBIT A ONE. YES. I KNOW I'M ON STRUGGLE BUS WITH THESE THINGS AND YOU WOULD THINK I WOULD'VE GOTTEN IT BY NOW, BUT FOR NOW, YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL PUT IT HERE AND WE'LL HOLD IT UP IN A MOMENT. I'LL GET STARTED WITH THE APPLICATION. MAY I, MAY I JUST INTERJECT, I THINK THESE APP, THESE PHOTOS ARE THE SAME PHOTOS THAT WERE OVER THE SIX BOARD ALREADY HAS ALL OF THE OH, WE DON'T HAVE THE MARKET. THE ONLY THING THAT I HAVE THAT BOARD DOESN'T HAVE, IT'S GOING BE ADDRESSING UM, MS. TAYLOR'S REQUEST FOR ROOF PITCH. SO THE BOARD DOES NOT HAVE THIS. I BROUGHT COPIES FOR THE BOARD TO SEE UP CLOSE. PLUS WE HAVE IT BLOWN UP AS WELL. BUT THIS WAS JUST IN CASE YOU WANTED TO SEE COLOR OR YOU KNOW, YOU DIDN'T HAVE IT OR AVAILABLE. SO, ALRIGHT. WHEN WE GET TO THAT, WE'LL MARK THAT AS A ONE, CORRECT? YEP. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. SO, UH, WE ARE HERE BECAUSE, UH, FOR THREE QUAIL RIDGE COURT IN MEDFORD, IT'S BLOCK 53 0 1 0.01 LOT 32.05 AND WE ARE LOOKING, UM, FOR A FEW VARIANCES FOR THE APPLICANT TO CONSTRUCT A GARAGE ON SITE. THERE IS ALREADY A, UM, TWO CAR GARAGE ADJOINING THE HOME AND THE APPLICANT IS LOOKING FOR A GARAGE TO ALLOW HIM TO, UM, HOUSE HIS THREE ANTIQUE CARS THAT HE LIKES TO RESTORE AS A HOBBY. SO WE'LL NEED A FEW VARIANCES FOR THIS 40 BY 40 GARAGE. UM, ONE TO ALLOW, UH, GARAGE SPACE FOR EIGHT VEHICLES WHERE THE ORDINANCE ALLOWS FOR A MAXIMUM OF THREE VEHICLES ON ONE LOT. AND, UH, VARIANCE TO PERMIT TWO GARAGES ON A SINGLE LOT OF LESS THAN FIVE ACRES WHERE, UM, ONE GARAGE EXISTS NOW. AND OBVIOUSLY WE ARE PROPOSING TWO, A VARIANCE TO PERMIT A PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL GARAGE TO HAVE A CAPACITY FOR SIX VEHICLES WHERE THE ORDINANCE PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF THREE VEHICLES. AND THEN LASTLY, A VARIANCE TO PERMITTED PRIVATE RESIDENTIAL GARAGE WITH AN E HEIGHT OF 12 FEET TO THE LOWER EDGE OF THE MAIN ROOF WHERE THE ORDINANCE PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 10 FEET E HEIGHT. UM, WE DO NOT NEED ANY IMPERVIOUS COVERAGES OR SETBACK VARIANCES. ALL OF THE VARIANCES RELATE TO THE, UM, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE AND THE E-BIKE AND THE CAPACITY I SHOULD SAY. UM, SO JASON, JUST IF YOU COULD, UM, HELP THE BOARD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THIS APPLICATION. YOU'VE OWNED THIS PROPERTY OR LIVED IN THIS PROPERTY SINCE 2014, CORRECT. ALRIGHT. AND YOU LIVE THERE WITH YOUR WIFE AND, AND TWO CHILDREN, RIGHT? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO TELL THE BOARD A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'RE GOING TO BE DOING IN THIS GARAGE FOR THE ANTIQUE CAR RESTORATION. UH, YEAH, SO AS STATED, I'VE GOT THREE CLASSIC VEHICLES CURRENTLY. UM, TWO ARE ALREADY RESTORED. ONE, I HAVE NO SPACE, TWO RESTORE. UM, SO I'M LOOKING FOR A PLACE WHERE I CAN HOUSE THEM SEPARATELY FROM [00:20:01] MY, YOU KNOW, MY NORMAL VEHICLE, MY WIFE'S NORMAL VEHICLE THAT SHE'S NOT ABLE TO CURRENTLY PARK IN THE GARAGE . UM, SO YEAH, BASICALLY I JUST AM LOOKING FOR A, A SPACE TO, YOU KNOW, BE ABLE TO DO MY HOBBY I GUESS IS WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO ULTIMATELY. ALRIGHT. AND YOUR, YOUR ANTIQUE CARS THAT YOU RESTORE ARE NOT YOUR EVERYDAY CARS WHERE YOU'RE CARTING THE KIDS TO NO SOFTBALL PRACTICE. THOSE ARE YOUR EVERYDAY CARS ARE JUST REGULAR CARS, RIGHT? YEAH, MY WIFE HAS AN SUV AND I HAVE A PICKUP TRUCK. ALL RIGHT. THEY DRIVE EVERY DAY AND THEY ARE CURRENTLY PARKED OUTSIDE ON YOUR DRIVEWAY. 'CAUSE YOUR CURRENT GARAGE HAS THE THREE NT CARS IN IT, CORRECT? CORRECT. CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SO WHAT YOU'RE REALLY LOOKING TO DO IS HAVE SPACE TO PARK YOUR, WE'LL CALL THEM EVERYDAY CARS IN THE ATTACHED GARAGE SO YOU CAN USE IT, YOU KNOW, IN THE INCLEMENT WEATHER, YOU CAN BE PARKING THEM INSIDE, GET INTO THE HOUSE WHEN IT'S RAINING, SNOWING, ET CETERA, CORRECT? YEAH. CORRECT. AND THEN ALSO HAVE SPACE TO SAFELY HOUSE YOUR ANTIQUE CARS. YES, CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UM, THE ANTIQUE CARS, THEY RUN, RIGHT? YEAH. THEY, THEY ARE. AND, AND YOU DO OCCASIONALLY DRIVE THEM, RIGHT? YEAH, IN THE SPRING AND THE SUMMER. ALRIGHT. AND HOW LONG HAS THIS BEEN A HOBBY OF YOURS? UH, SINCE BEFORE I WAS ABLE TO ACTUALLY DRIVE . OKAY. ALL RIGHTY. AND ONE OF THE, AND WE'LL GO THROUGH THE UM, REVIEW LETTER. I WON'T BELABOR THE POINTS, BUT ONE OF THE, UM, THINGS THAT I THINK THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO UNDERSTAND IS WHY THE GARAGE NEEDS TO BE 40 BY 40. THERE'S A VARIANCE REQUEST FOR THAT. YES. UM, IT'S GOT A CAPACITY FOR I BELIEVE SIX CARS, BUT YOU'RE ONLY GONNA BE PUTTING THREE IN THERE. SO CAN YOU EXPLAIN WHY, WHY YOU NEED THE EXTRA SPACE FOR THAT? YEAH. WHEN YOU TAKE A SINGLE CAR APART, IT TAKES UP A LOT OF SPACE. SO LIKE, UH, ONE CAR WOULD, COULD TAKE UP THE SPACE OF THREE BY THE TIME YOU PULL THE ENGINE OUT, THE TRANSMISSION OUT, THE, THE WHEELS, THE INTERIOR, ALL THAT SORT OF STUFF. IT JUST, IT, IT'S, IT, IT GROWS EXPONENTIALLY. SO. ALRIGHT. I REALLY JUST TRYING TO HAVE ROOM TO WORK ON THINGS WITHOUT TRIPPING ON THEM LIKE I CURRENTLY DO IN MY ATTACHED GARAGE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE EXTRA SPACE ISN'T NECESSARILY TO HOLD MORE CARS, IT'S REALLY TO TAKE THE CARS APART, LAY OUT THE PIECES AND MAKE SURE THAT YOU CAN HAVE EVERYTHING ORGANIZED FOR WHEN YOU'RE RESTORING THEM? CORRECT. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THIS IS A HOBBY, NOT A BUSINESS, CORRECT? NO, NOT A BUSINESS. WHAT'S YOUR, YOUR DAY JOB? YOUR REGULAR JOB? I'M A SOFTWARE ENGINEER. ALRIGHT. AND SO THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A COMMERCIAL ENTERPRISE, THIS IS SOMETHING YOU DO AS A HOBBY, BUT YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF MAKING THIS INTO AN ACTUAL JOB. YOU DON'T SELL THE CARS FOR PROFIT? NO, NO. NOBODY. YOU DON'T BUY AND SELL CARS REGULARLY? NO, NOBODY WOULD EVER PAY ME TO WORK ON THAT CAR. . OKAY. AND THE CARS THAT YOU HAVE, YOU'VE OWNED THEM FOR HOW LONG? UH, MY 68 CAMARO I'VE HAD FOR 15 ISH YEARS. UH, MY FIREBIRD I'VE HAD FOR FIVE OR SIX AND THEN MY OTHER CAMARO ACTUALLY WAS MY CAR FROM I HAD IN COLLEGE THAT I RECENTLY PURCHASED BACK. I FOUND IT IN TENNESSEE. UM, AND THAT'S WHAT I'M GONNA BE RESTORING NEXT. OKAY. ASSUMING I, THIS GOES THROUGH AND I'M ABLE TO HAVE SOME SPACE. ALRIGHT. AND YOU'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY PLUMBING? NO. KITCHEN, UH, OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT IN THE GARAGE? NO, I WANT TO, I WANT TO HAVE A, A HOSE BIB JUST SO I CAN HOSE STUFF OFF, BUT NO, YOU KNOW, SINK? NO BACK, SINK, SINK? NO, NO, NOTHING LIKE THAT. ALRIGHT. UM, BUT THERE WILL BE ELECTRICITY THERE WILL. YEAH, SURE. OKAY. UM, ALRIGHT, SO WE WILL GO THROUGH A, UM, THE, THE REVIEW LETTER AND SOME OF THE PICTURES, SO JUST SO THE BOARD CAN SEE THEM. AND I, SINCE I AM NOT ABLE TO PUT THIS ON HERE, WE'LL JUST SEE IF YOU COULD JUST, DO YOU WANT ME TO HOLD THAT? NO, I GOT IT. I'LL BE DONNA WHITE. SO THESE ARE THE PICTURES THAT WERE INCLUDED WITH THE PACKET. JUST SO THE BOARD CAN UNDERSTAND WHERE THIS IS GOING TO GO. IT'S GOING TO BE GOING, IF YOU WANNA WALK AROUND JASON ON THE OTHER SIDE AND POINTING OUT WHERE IT'S GONNA GO AT THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY, BACK BEHIND THE HOUSE, CORRECT. HUNDRED FEET BACK FROM THE END OF WHERE MY DRIVEWAY OCCUR AT THE END. RIGHT. SO IT'S A HUNDRED FEET FROM THE END OF THE DRIVEWAY. IT'LL BE ALMOST 200 FEET FROM THE STREET. RIGHT? SOMETHING LIKE THAT. YEAH. OKAY. AND THEN THESE OTHER PHOTOS, THIS IS A PHOTO HERE, UM, OF WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE INTO YOUR, UM, FROM YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD INTO YOUR YARD. IS THAT CORRECT? WHICH THE LAST YES. UH, I BELIEVE SO, YEAH. ALL RIGHTY. AND THEN WHAT IS IT THAT YOU'RE SHOWING HERE? THE ONE THAT HAS, THIS IS THE END OF MY DRIVEWAY HERE. OKAY, SO THAT'S LOOKING INTO YOUR BACKYARD? CORRECT. ALRIGHT, SORRY, REALLY QUICK. THE PI, THE ONE, THE FAR LEFT ONE THAT YOU SAID IS THAT YOUR IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD? THIS IS, I'M TRYING TO SEE THIS ACTUALLY. THIS IS MY VISIT IN MY BACKYARD LOOKING FROM, LET ME SEE THAT ONE. YEAH, LOOKING FROM HERE THIS WAY. OKAY. TOWARDS PAL FOUR. RIGHT. AND THIS ONE WOULD BE IN YOUR NEIGHBOR'S YARD LOOKING INTO YOUR PROPERTY? THIS IS LIKE THE CORNER OF THE PROPERTY. IT'S LIKE THE END OF MY PROPERTY NEXT TO MY NEIGHBOR'S LOOKING INTO WHERE THIS, THIS CLEARING IS WHERE OUR GARAGE IS. OKAY. PROPOSED TO BE CALLED. THAT'S RIGHT. AND THEN IT'S A LITTLE BIT HARD TO SEE HERE. AND AGAIN THIS IS INCLUDED IN THE PACKET, BUT, SO YOU CAN SEE YOUR PROPERTY IS 1.69 ACRES? I BELIEVE SO. AND UM, A FAIR AMOUNT OF [00:25:01] THAT IS WOOD. YES. SO, UM, THIS IS AN AREA IN MEDFORD, OF COURSE YOU CAN SEE THIS IS HIS PROPERTY AND, AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S A FAIR AMOUNT OF DENSE WOODS IN THE BACK AS WELL. SO THE GARAGE WOULD BE, UM, IF YOU WANT TO KIND OF POINT IT OUT ON HERE, YOUR GARAGE GONNA BE SET, THEREISH, SOMETHING LIKE THAT BACK IN THERE. AND, AND IT, JUST TO MAKE A POINT, IF YOU LOOK HERE, HOW THERE'S NOT REALLY ANY TREES BESIDES BEING THE ONLY PLACE I COULD PUT THIS THROUGH THE SEPTIC AND STUFF. IT ALSO HAPPENS TO BE A PLACEMENT, THE LEAST AMOUNT OF TREES. SO IT DOES HAVE, IT'S THE LEAST IMPACT OF, YOU KNOW, THE MOVING TREES. THERE'S ALSO SOME WETLANDS ON YOUR PROPERTY THAT, UM, WE WOULD, YOU KNOW, NEED TO BE WORKED AROUND AS WELL. SO THE, UH, THE REAR OF YOUR PROPERTY HAS SOME SIGNIFICANT WETLANDS. AND SO THIS IS MOVED OBVIOUSLY TO AVOID IMPACTING ANY WETLANDS, CORRECT? CORRECT. IT'S OUTSIDE OF THE, ALRIGHT, I'M GONNA PUT THIS DOWN FOR A MOMENT. SO GOING THROUGH MS. TAYLOR'S, UM, REVIEW LETTER, WE UM, WANTED TO GET SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT WHAT KIND OF REPAIRS WILL BE DONE IN THERE AND INCLUDING ANY KIND OF LISTS AND WHAT KIND OF NOISE THEY MIGHT MAKE. SO CAN WE TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT WHAT YOU'LL BE PLANNING ON DOING IN THERE WITH REGARD TO THAT? YEAH, SO I ACTUALLY, I CURRENTLY HAVE A LIFT IN MY, THE GARAGE THAT'S ATTACHED TO MY HOUSE. UM, MOSTLY USED FOR, FOR STORAGE. UM, IT'S NOT AIR, IT IS, IT'S HYDRAULIC. IT'S AN ELECTRIC, SO IT DOES MAKE SOME NOISE. UM, THAT SAID IT, SINCE I USE IT FOR STORAGE, IT'S UM, YOU KNOW, I'M ONLY BASICALLY MOVING IT UP AND DOWN WHEN I HAVE TO GET CARS OUT. UM, WITH THE SPACE THAT I'LL HOPEFULLY HAVE WITH THIS, UM, I'M NOT GONNA ACTUALLY HAVE TO MOVE IT UP AND DOWN VERY OFTEN BECAUSE I'LL HAVE ENOUGH SPACE TO HAVE THINGS SPREAD OUT. UM, AS TO THE TYPE OF WORK, LIKE I SAID EARLIER, UM, MY, MY PLAN THAT, YOU KNOW, I, I GONNA TAKE THE CAR APART SO THE ENGINE'S GONNA COME OUT, THE TRANSMISSION'S GONNA COME OUT, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, CLEANED AND DETAILED AND PAINTED AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS WERE BUILT AND KIND OF PUT BACK TOGETHER AGAIN. UM, ALRIGHT. AND YOU WON'T BE USING AN AIR COMPRESSOR EXCEPT FOR EVERYDAY KIND OF HOUSEHOLD USES. INFLATING POOL TOYS, MAYBE INFLATING SOME TIRES. NOT EVEN TIRES. I DON'T HAVE MY, I DON'T, I DON'T HAVE A LARGE AIR COMPRESSOR. THE ONLY ONE I HAVE IS ACTUALLY NOT EVEN USED FOR VEHICLES. IT'S USED TO BLOW UP, PULL TOYS AND MY KIDS BIKE TIRES AND STUFF LIKE THAT. OKAY. UH, SO YEAH. WILL YOU DO BODY WORK? NO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, THE GARAGE DOORS THAT ARE FACING THE STREET ARE GOING TO BE, UM, AND, AND THIS IS A FAIR DEPICTION OF, OF UM, WHAT THE FRONT OF IT IS GONNA LOOK LIKE. SO THERE'LL BE TWO GARAGE BAY DOORS. THERE'S A MAN DOOR OVER ON THIS RIGHT SIDE, CORRECT? YES. ALRIGHT. SO THE GARAGE DOORS ARE 10 FEET HIGH BY 16 FEET WIDE, CORRECT? YES. UM, SO IF YOU WANNA TALK A LITTLE BIT ABOUT, UM, THE DOORS WILL BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. I THINK WE DID DISCUSS THEY WILL BE ABOUT 200 FEET FROM THE ROAD, SO THEY WILL NOT NECESSARILY BE VERY CLOSE TO THE ROAD. UM, IS THAT CORRECT? YEAH, IT'S, IT'S, YEAH, I FORGOT WHAT THE EXACT MEASUREMENT WAS, BUT IT WAS AROUND 200 FEET. ALRIGHT. AND THE REASON WHY THE DOORS ARE SO HIGH, UM, CAN WE TALK ABOUT THAT? IS THAT TO ACCOMMODATE THE, UM, HYDRAULIC LIFT? YEAH, CORRECT. SO I, I HAVE A, A FOUR POST STORAGE LIFT. UM, IT ACTUALLY, IT'S ON, IT DOESN'T LIKE BOLT DOWN. IT'S ON CASTERS SO IT CAN ACTUALLY BE MOVED AND I'D LIKE THE DOOR TO BE ABLE TO BE HIGH ENOUGH WHERE I CAN, IF I WANTED TO MOVE IT FROM ONE BAY TO THE OTHER, I CAN ACTUALLY PUT THOSE WHEELS ON AND GET IT OUT WITHOUT HAVING TO COMPLETELY TAKE IT APART, WHICH IS WHAT I'M GONNA HAVE TO DO WHEN I MOVE IT FROM MY CURRENT GARAGE INTO THIS. UM, THE OTHER THING IS WE, UH, WE REGULARLY TAKE PRETTY LONG ROAD TRIPS. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE, WE GO UP TO MAINE EVERY SUMMER AND I'VE GOT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED, I GOT ONE OF THOSE POD THINGS THAT YOU PUT ON LIKE THE ROOF OF YOUR, YOUR YOUR SUV TO FILL UP. IT WOULD BE REALLY COOL. UM, 'CAUSE NORMALLY WHEN WE GET BACK, I DON'T KNOW WHY WE HAVE TERRIBLE LUCK. IT'S ALWAYS RAINING. IF I COULD PULL IT IN THERE WITH THAT STILL ON TO BE ABLE TO LOAD AND UNLOAD THAT, UM, YOU KNOW, KIND OF AN ASIDE. BUT IT'S JUST, I'D RATHER HAVE IT BE BIGGER THAN, THAN SMALLER JUST FOR UTILITY'S SAKE. ALRIGHT. I HAVE A QUICK QUESTION. NO, IS THE, THE PICTURE THAT WE HAVE IN THE PACKET IS DIFFERENT THAN THOSE. SO THE PICTURE YOU HAVE SHOWS THE MAN DOOR ON THE FRONT, CORRECT? CORRECT. YES, YES. AND I HAD CLARIFIED THAT WITH MY CLIENT BECAUSE WHEN HE SENT ME THESE, I SAID THE VERY SAME THING. I SAID, OH, THIS ONE HAS THE MAN DOOR ON THE FRONT. HE SAID, UM, THE FINAL ONE WOULD HAVE THE MAN DOOR ON THE RIGHT ELEVATION OF IT. OKAY. AND THIS WOULD JUST BE THE BAYS ON THE FRONT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE ONLY DIFFERENCE. AND THEN THE ROOF PITCH ACTUALLY IS THE NEXT ONE WE WANTED TO TALK ABOUT. UM, THE LETTER, UM, MADE A COMMENT THAT THE ROOF PITCH WAS, UM, NOT MATCHING NECESSARILY THE PITCH OF THE HOME AND WANTED SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT THAT. UM, AND JASON, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU HAVE BASICALLY NO OPINION [00:30:01] ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH IN TERMS OF, IT'S NOT THAT HE WANTS ONE OVER THE OTHER, BUT THAT THIS ROOF PITCH IS, WHICH IS WHAT WE ARE PROPOSING, IS A FOUR OVER 12 PITCH. THE PEAK IS 18 FEET, EIGHT INCHES AND WOULD NOT REQUIRE A VARIANCE. SO THAT'S WHY WE SUBMITTED IT THIS WAY. IT'S COMPLIANT WITH YOUR CODE. UM, IF THE BOARD PREFERS TO HAVE A DIFFERENT ROOF PITCH, THIS ONE IS 20, UH, FEET, FOUR INCHES WITH A FIVE OVER 12 PITCH, THAT'S FINE. BUT IT WOULD REQUIRE ANOTHER VARIANCE BECAUSE IT IS OVER THE 20. UH, IT IS OVER THE, THE HEIGHT REQUIREMENT, SAME THING. THIS ONE IS A SIX OVER 12 WITH A 22 PEAK HEIGHT. UM, YOU KNOW, AND WE PUT THEM KIND OF SIDE BY SIDE SO THE BOARD COULD SEE, I PRINTED OUT ONES IF THE BOARD WOULD LIKE AN INDIVIDUAL COPY TO LOOK AT IF THIS ISN'T SUFFICIENT. UM, AGAIN, MR. KLEIMAN, IT'S, IT'S REALLY YOU, YOU DON'T HAVE A PREFERENCE OR AN OPINION. IT'S MORE ABOUT WE WERE TRYING TO BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE. CORRECT. IT'S WHATEVER YOU GUYS THINK IS MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING OR IT'S, I I DON'T, I DON'T REALLY CARRY EITHER WAY. WHATEVER YOU GUYS FEEL IS BEST. UM, THE, I WENT WITH THE, I WENT WITH THE LOWER PITCH, SO IT WOULD BE BELOW THE 20 FOOT THRESHOLD. SO, SO MY QUESTION IS AESTHETICALLY, IF I'M LOOKING AT IT, IT LOOKS VERY COMMERCIAL FOR, FOR ONE THING. HOW DOES IT COMPARE WITH THE ACTUAL HOME THAT'S ON THE PROPERTY? IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL STRUCTURE TO ME IF I'M LOOKING AT THAT. SO THE HOME ON THE PROPERTY THERE, THERE'S PHOTOS OF IT IN YOUR PACKET, I BELIEVE WHEN WE'RE LOOKING AT THE DRIVEWAY. SO YOU CAN SEE THE HOME ON THE PROPERTY AND THIS ONE OVER HERE. MM-HMM . I MEAN THOSE ANGLES ARE, ARE MORE STEEPLY PITCHED. THE DRIVEWAY, THE GARAGE HERE IS ALONG THE SIDE, SO IT'S NOT, YOU DON'T REALLY SEE THE, THE GARAGE, THE ATTACHED GARAGE WHEN YOU'RE LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE. BUT THIS IS WHAT THE, THE FACADE OF THE HOUSE LOOKS LIKE. DO WE KNOW WHAT THE HEIGHT IS OF THE HOUSE? THE HOUSE ITSELF? THE HOUSE PEAK? I'M NOT SURE THAT WE KNOW THAT MEASUREMENT. MR. KLE DOING? UH, NO. I MEAN IF I, I KNOW IT'S GOT, THERE'S 12 FOOT CEILINGS, SO I WOULD, IF I HAD TO EXTRAPOLATE IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S MORE THAN 25 FEET. UM, I, IT'S, YOU KNOW, YOU MEAN THE FIRST FLOOR IS 12 FOOT CEILINGS? YEAH. AND THE SECOND, SECOND AS WELL. SO 12, 24 FEET, 44 AND THEN THE ATTIC. YES. I MEAN I WOULD SAY IT HAS TO BE AT LEAST 30. IT'S PROBABLY CLOSER TO 35 FEET, FEET TO THE PEAK I WOULD SAY. AND THEY'RE PROPOSING A SHED OF 22? NO, WE'RE PROPOSING, UH, NO, WE'RE PROPOSING 18. RIGHT. THAT'S THIS ONE HERE. AND THE WORST CASE SCENARIO WAS 22. I THINK YOU SAID THIS WOULD BE 22. IF, IF THAT'S WHICH IS WELL BELOW 30. OH, IT'S GOING TO BE WELL BELOW THE, THE HEIGHT OF THE HOUSE FOR SURE. AGAIN, BUT THIS WOULD REQUIRE, UH, ANOTHER VARIANCE BECAUSE IT WOULD BE TALLER THAN WHAT'S PERMITTED UNDER YOUR HOUSE. MICHELLE, WHAT'S PERMITTED FOR THE BUILDING HEIGHT FOR THAT 20? UM, 'CAUSE I WAS READING YOUR LETTER IS 35, NEVERMIND. I WAS READING IT WRONG. OKAY. I BELIEVE 35 FOR THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, THAT'S, THAT'S A PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE HEIGHT PER GARAGE. THE OVERALL HEIGHT IS 20. THANK YOU. UM, THE REASON THERE'S AN EVE HEIGHT RESTRICTION IS TO KEEP THE BUILDINGS SO THAT THEY HAVE LESS, THEY'RE RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE. MM-HMM . YEAH. HUNDRED PERCENT. UM, SO AGAIN, I HAVE COPIES OF THESE AND THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, YOU KNOW, AND COMPARE FOR THEMSELVES, WHICH, WHICH HEIGHT THEY WANT. IT'S REALLY, IT'S REALLY, UM, NOT A PREFERENCE OF THE APPLICANT. I, I PERSONALLY PREFER THE LOWER, I'M SORRY, PERSONALLY PREFER THE LOWER ON THE ONE TO THE LEFT. THE ONE THAT, WELL THAT'S THE ONE THAT WE SUBMITTED. YEAH. AGAIN, TO BE BARELY, IT'S GONNA BE A HUNDRED FEET BACK FROM YEAH, I AGREE. ON THE SIDE, YEAH. MM-HMM . ALRIGHT. AND THEN, UM, OH, WE DID TALK ABOUT THAT THE, UM, THE GARAGE, THE GARAGE DOORS WILL BE 10 FEET BY 16 FEET, CORRECT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN LOOKING AT THE REVIEW LETTER, UM, THERE WILL BE SOME TREES THAT NEED TO BE REMOVED AS INDICATED ON THE, UM, THE PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED, THE GREEN DOTS OR THE TREES THAT WILL NEED TO BE REMOVED IN ORDER TO PUT THIS ON THERE, YOU HAVE AGAIN ABOUT 1.5 ACRES OF WOODS BEHIND YOU, WHICH HAVE CONSERVATIVELY HUNDREDS, IF NOT MORE THAN A THOUSAND TREES BACK THERE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. AND YOU'RE PROPOSING TO REMOVE ABOUT, I FORGET WHAT, WHATEVER THE NUMBER WAS. I THINK IT WAS, IT WAS LIKE 11. THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN 12. YEAH. BUT WHATEVER WAS ON THE APPLICATION, 'CAUSE I, I MARKED THEM AND COUNTED THOUGH. ALRIGHT. UM, AND THEN REGARDING LIGHTING, IS THERE GONNA BE ANY LIGHTING ON THIS PROPOSED GARAGE? THERE'S, I'M GONNA HAVE DOWN LIGHTING. I HAVEN'T DECIDED IF I WANT IT ABOVE THE GARAGE DOORS OR LIKE BESIDE THEM, BUT IT'LL BE, IT'LL FOLLOW. I READ THE ORDINANCE, YOU KNOW, THE WARM COLORS AND AIMED [00:35:01] DOWN AND ON A TIMER. AND WITH MOTION CENTERS? YEAH. MOTION SENSORS. EXCUSE ME. AT A LOW WATTAGE. YEAH. ALRIGHT. SO WHATEVER LIGHTING IS ON THERE WILL BE COMPLIANT WITH THE ORDINANCE AND YOU'LL COMPLY WITH THE, UM, THE, UH, ADVICE OF THE, OF THE PLANTER REGARDING THE LIGHTING? YEAH. CORRECT. OKAY. THIS MAY BE A SILLY QUESTION, BUT, UH, SINCE YOUR PROPERTY IS SO HEAVILY WOODED, BUT DO YOU PLAN TO REPLACE THE TREES THAT YOU HAVE TO REMOVE AS REQUIRED? UM, IF, IF IT'S REQUIRED, I HAVE NO PROBLEMS REPLACING THEM WITH, YOU KNOW, BASED ON A TREE ORDINANCE. I DON'T, I, I, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE IT UP TO MICHELLE AND WHOEVER MAKES THAT DECISION IF THAT'S REQUIRED. SURE. IS THERE A SHED ON THAT SIDE? RIGHT NOW? THERE'S A SMALL SHED. I THINK IT'S NOT ON THAT, IT'S ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, BUT I THINK IT'S LIKE EIGHT BY EIGHT OR SIX BY EIGHT. I, I DON'T HAVE THE MEASUREMENTS HANDY. SO THERE'S NO SHED ON THAT SIDE. I, I THINK THAT'S HIS NAME. UH, LIKE WHEN I'M LOOKING UP YOUR DRIVEWAY YEAH. THERE'S A SHED IN HAND. IS THAT YOUR NEIGHBOR'S SHED? THERE USED TO BE, IT WAS MOVED. I MOVED IT. YOU MOVED THAT SHED YES. TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY. THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY, YES. SO IT'S NOT THERE ANYMORE. YES. YEAH. I THINK THE SURVEY INDICATES THAT IT'S ON THE OTHER YEAH. THAT NOT THE PICTURES OR YEAH, THE, YEAH. WELL THIS, THIS, THIS, THIS APPLICATION HAS TAKEN SO LONG THAT , THE SHED'S GONE. IT'S MOVED. OKAY. CORRECT. CORRECT. UH, I THINK WE COVERED EVERYTHING IN THE REVIEW LETTER AND I'M SURE MS. MS. TAYLOR WILL, UM, LET US KNOW IF THERE'S SOMETHING THAT WE'RE MISSING HERE. WE DID SAY THIS IS SEPTIC. UM, IT'S A, IT'S A, UM, PUBLIC WATER AND, UM, AND SEPTIC. AND SEPTIC, CORRECT. YEAH. UM, I THINK THAT'S ALL THE TESTIMONY WE HAVE. I'M, UH, HAPPY AGAIN TO HAND OUT THAT WE WOULD'VE LIKE TO SEE KIND OF THE, THE ROOF ELEVATIONS FOR, UM, A CLOSER INSPECTION. BUT, UM, THAT'S ALL THE TESTIMONY WE HAVE WITH REGARD TO, UM, THIS APPLICATION. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANY WATER IN THIS BUILDING? NO. WELL, I BELIEVE THE TESTIMONY YOU'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A SPIGOT OUTSIDE FOR A HOSE BIB, CORRECT? CORRECT. I WANNA PUT, I WANNA PUT A HOSE OUT THERE, BUT NO, YOU KNOW, SINKS OR TOILETS OR ANYTHING OF THAT NATURE. AND YOU MENTIONED THAT YOU HAVE TO, YOU FEEL LIKE YOU HAVE TO PUT IT IN THIS LOCATION? YEAH, DUE TO THE WAY THE WETLANDS ARE IN MY BACKYARD MM-HMM . UM, IT'S WHETHER WE, THE ONLY PLACE IT WOULD FIT. OKAY. WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR THE, FOR THE DRIVEWAY? ARE YOU JUST GONNA PUT, WHAT, WHAT'S YOUR PLAN FOR YOU TO GET FROM? I'M GONNA EXTEND THE ASPHALT. OKAY. AND THAT'S SHOWN ON THE SURVEY IN YOUR PACKET AS WELL? ON THE PLANS THAT ARE IN THE PACKET. AND I HAVE EXTRA COPIES OF THOSE IF ANYONE WOULD NEED IT. THAT DOESN'T TRIGGER ANYTHING FOR THE IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE? NO. OKAY. YEAH, NO VARIANCES ARE NEEDED FOR THE, WE WERE CAREFUL TO KEEP EVERYTHING UNDER THAT ONE IF THAT'S AN IMPORTANT CONSIDERATION. DOES ANYBODY NEED EXTRA COPIES OF THE SURVEY? MS. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY OTHER COMMENTS OTHER THAN WHAT'S IN YOUR LETTER? SO I, UM, THE ONLY QUESTIONS I HAVE ARE, THANK YOU MADAM CHAIR. UH, THE LAST SET OF PLANS I HAVE SHOW AN EVE HEIGHT OF 12. SO THAT'S GOING AWAY. NO, IT'S STILL EVE HEIGHT OF 12. SO THE PLANS THAT I HAVE THAT SHOW AN E FIVE OF 12 HAVE A ROOF A PEAK OF 19 SEVEN. YES. SO I HAD THE BUILDING PEOPLE CLARIFY WHAT THE ACTUAL HEIGHT WOULD BE, WHICH IS WHAT WAS THE, WHICH IS WHAT IS DEPICTED. WHEN I, WHEN YOU CAME BACK WITH YOUR LETTER AND, AND, AND THE CONCERN WAS BROUGHT UP ABOUT THE ROOF PITCH, I WENT TO THEM AND SAID, HEY, THIS MIGHT BE AN ISSUE. CAN YOU ALSO GIVE ME OPTIONS FOR THE OTHER AVAILABLE ROOF PITCHES? OKAY. AND THAT'S WHEN THEY CAME AND SAID THE FOUR 12 WOULD ACTUALLY BE 18 FEET, EIGHT INCHES, THE FIVE 12, WHATEVER IT IS, THE 20 FEET FOUR INCHES AND THE SIX 12 WOULD BE 22 FEET EVEN NOW HE ALSO WAS CAREFUL TO TELL ME THAT THERE'S ALSO A LITTLE VARIATION THERE, YOU KNOW, IN THE INCHES JUST BASED OFF OF LIKE THE GROUND AND, YOU KNOW, WHEN THEY LEVEL THINGS OUT AND BUILD THE PAD AND ALL THAT STUFF. BUT THEY, IT, IT'S AS ACCURATE AS THEY COULD GET UNTIL THEY ACTUALLY START PHYSICALLY BUILDING THINGS. OKAY. UM, WITH RESPECT TO THE TREES, IT, IT APPEARS TO ME THAT MOST OF THE TREES, UM, ARE IN THE AREA OF DISTURBANCE. UH, THERE ARE TWO TREES THAT ARE SOMEWHAT OFF THE EDGE, THE TWO 12 INCHES CLOSEST TO THE EASTERN PROPERTY LINE. UM, WHERE EXACTLY IS YOUR SEPTIC FIELD? IN THE FRONT YARD? IN THE FRONT YARD. SO YOU REALLY DON'T HAVE SPACE NECESSARILY TO PLANT TREES POTENTIALLY. [00:40:01] YEAH. WHICH WAS AGAIN, LIKE THE TREE THING I WAS GONNA LEAVE UP TO, TO YOU GUYS. 'CAUSE LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S NOT A LOT OF PLACE TO ACTUALLY REPLANT. I'M WILLING TO DO IT. I'M WILLING TO, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN, FIGURE OUT ON THE PROPERTY, YOU KNOW, WHERE POTENTIALLY THINGS COULD BE REPLANTED TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE. BUT YOU KNOW, THAT'S, LIKE I SAID, I'LL, I'LL LEAVE THAT UP TO YOU AND WHOEVER ELSE TO DECIDE WHAT'S NEEDED WHEN IT COMES TO THAT. WELL, GIVEN THE SEPTIC AND THE WETLANDS, UM, YEAH, THE FRONT AND THE, AND THE HEAVILY WOODED AREA IN THE BACK, I MEAN, WE WOULD SUBMIT THAT THE HEAVILY WOODED AREA IN THE BACK WOULD MAKE UP FOR THE, UM, THE TREES THAT ARE COMING DOWN. BUT AGAIN, IF THE BOARD FEELS DIFFERENTLY OR AT THE PLANNER'S RECOMMENDATION, IF THERE WANTED TO BE A CONDITION THAT THE TREES WOULD BE REPLANTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH WHERE WE CAN FIND THE SPACE FOR THEM, THAT WOULD CERTAINLY BE FINE. UM, THANK YOU. UH, SO JUST GENERALLY SPEAKING, I, WE OFTEN OFFER CONCERN TO THE BOARD ABOUT STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, UM, BECAUSE OF THE HEIGHT OF THE GARAGE DOORS, YOU KNOW, MR. KLEIMAN HAS A, A VIEW OF WHAT HE WANTS TO DO HERE, BUT SOMEDAY MR. KLEIMAN WON'T LIVE HERE. SO IF WE BUILD BUILDINGS THAT CAN BE UTILIZED FOR PURPOSES THAT ARE NOT NECESSARILY RESIDENTIAL, THEN THAT CREATES ISSUES FOR THE DOWN THE LINE. NOW I'VE BEEN TOLD BY MANY ATTORNEYS THAT I SHOULDN'T WORRY ABOUT THIS, BUT FORM FOLLOWS FUNCTION. RIGHT. SO I, UM, YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, THAT'S WHY THERE ARE RULES IN THE CODE ABOUT HEIGHTS OF DOORS AND THINGS LIKE THAT BECAUSE YOU'RE TRYING TO KEEP BUILDINGS RESIDENTIAL IN NATURE AND NOT, UM, YOU KNOW, TEMP PEOPLE TO DO THINGS THEY SHOULDN'T BE DOING IN RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES. UM, BUT BEYOND THAT, I MEAN, IT IS A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE, UM, BECAUSE IT'S THE, THE LARGE SIZE, YOU KNOW, IT IS SHOWN BASICALLY IN THE ONLY PLACE THAT IT CAN BE. UM, BUT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FOOTPRINT, UM, IT'S AS ABOUT THE SIZE OF THE HOUSE. AND SO, UM, I THINK THE BOARD PROBABLY SHOULD WANT TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC IF THE NEIGHBOR'S HERE TO THE EAST, THAT STRUCTURE 15 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE, WHEN IN FACT IT COULD BE A RESIDENTIAL DWELLING, IT WOULD BE 30 FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE. SO, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, I'M NOT, NOT PROPOSING THAT IT BE LOCATED IN THE REAR YARD. IT'S JUST A VERY LARGE STRUCTURE TO BE LOCATED 15 FEET FROM THE SIDE LOT LINE. SO THOSE ARE THE THINGS THAT WE OFFER TO THE BOARD. AND IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, YOU KNOW, WE'RE HAPPY TO HELP. UM, AND YOU KNOW, WE'VE HAD THIS CONVERSATION BEFORE. I MUST ADMIT I DO HAVE A PROBLEM WITH THE SIZE OF IT. MM-HMM . FOR THREE CARS. UM, SIX, SEVEN, CLOSE THE SIZE. WELL, NO, HE SAYS HE HAS THREE CARS THAT HE'S WORKING ON. OH YES. ALL RIGHT. AND THAT HE WANTS THE SPACE SO THAT HE CAN SPREAD OUT. NOW, I CAN'T BELIEVE THAT YOU HAVE THREE CARS TAKEN APART AT ONCE. TWO. TWO CURRENTLY YOU HAVE TWO TAKEN APART AT ONCE. YEAH, I STILL THINK IT'S AWFULLY BIG BUILDING FOR A HOBBY. WHERE ARE THE CARS CURRENTLY KEPT? IN MY ATTACHED GARAGE. UH, TWO ON TOP OF EACH OTHER ON MY LIFT AND THE OTHER ONE NEXT TO IT. SO THE, SO WHERE ARE THE PIECES THEN IN THE EVERYWHERE ? WELL, I STILL THINK IT'S TOO MUCH. I AGREED THAT THAT WAS MY CONCERN WHEN I BROUGHT THAT UP. THE SIZE OF IT, THE, JUST LOOKING AT IT AESTHETICALLY, UH, AND, AND LOOKING DOWN THE ROAD IN THE FUTURE, AS WAS JUST SAID, UH, IT LOOKS LIKE A COMMERCIAL TYPE OF, UH, CAR REPAIR OPERATION THAT'S BEEN PUT UP INSIDE OF A BACKYARD. IT, IT, WELL IT'S, IT, IT'S A PULL BARN. UM, IT'S GOING TO MATCH MY CURRENT HOUSE, UH, TO THE FULLEST EXTENT POSSIBLE. AND THE DOORS THAT I'M PROPOSING ARE ACTUALLY THE SAME EXACT DESIGN, UH, COLOR SHAPED AND EVERYTHING AS THE CURRENT DOORS ON MY CURRENT GARAGE AS WELL. IT'S ALSO 200 AND SOME FEET OFF THE STREET, UM, THROUGH, YOU KNOW, TREES BEHIND THE FENCE. UM, SO IT'S NOT GONNA BE VISIBLE FROM THE STREET. AND WHILE THEY'RE NOT HERE, UM, THE NEIGHBORS WHO'S CLOSE TO IT, AND I KNOW THAT IT CAN'T BE SUBMITTED AS TESTIMONY, UM, THEY'RE FULLY ON BOARD AND THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN THIS ENTIRE DESIGN PROCESS FROM THE GET GO. IF THE BOARD HAS CONCERNS ABOUT THE USE OF THE PROPERTY, WE WOULD BE OF COURSE OPEN TO HAVING A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT IT CANNOT BE USED FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. I KNOW THE ORDINANCE WOULDN'T ALLOW THAT TO BEGIN WITH, BUT IF YOU NEED TO HAVE SOMETHING IN THE APPROVAL AS WELL, WE'D CERTAINLY BE OPEN TO THAT. YOU HAVE NO INTENTION OF USING IT FOR COMMERCIAL PURPOSES? NO. UM, SO THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THAT, IF THAT WOULD HELP ALLEVIATE THE BOARD'S CONCERNS ABOUT THAT. WHEN IT COMES TO THE SIZE OF IT OR THE APPEARANCE OF IT, IF THERE'S, AGAIN, CONCERNS [00:45:01] THE BOARD HAS, UM, ABOUT THE AESTHETICS OF IT. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S POSSIBLE TO PUT IN SOMETHING THAT MAYBE LIKE WINDOWS ALONG ONE SIDE. I'M NOT REALLY SURE, FRANKLY, YOU WOULD SEE ANY WINDOWS ALONG THE SIDE. YOU'RE, YOU'RE LOOKING INTO THE NEIGHBOR'S YARD, UM, AND THERE'S NOTHING BACK THERE. BUT WOODS AND THE OTHER WINDOWS WOULD BE LOOKING INTO YOUR HOUSE. CORRECT. SO IF YOU PUT THEM ON THE RIGHT OR LEFT, IT WOULD BE MY WOODS. SO IF IT, IF THEY WINDOWS ON THE LEFT SIDE, IT WOULD, IT WOULD JUST BE A FENCE AND ON THE RIGHT SIDE IT WOULD BE MY KIDS' PLAY SET AND THEN YEAH. YOU KNOW, JUST DIRT AND WOODS. SO I DON'T KNOW THAT CHANGING ANY OF THE OTHER ELEVATIONS WOULD BE VISIBLE FROM THE ROAD OR VISIBLE TO THE PUBLIC, UM, OR ALTER ITS APPEARANCE IN A WAY THAT WOULD MAKE IT LOOK, YOU KNOW, THAT, THAT YOU COULD REALLY SEE WHAT'S THE ELEVATION ON THE PROPERTY. SO AS YOU'RE LOOKING TOWARDS, IF YOU'RE LOOKING FROM THE, IF YOU'RE STANDING IN THE FRONT, DOES IT GO DOWN AT ALL? IT DOES GO DOWN, YEAH, IT DOES. SO IF, SO, IT'S GONNA BE EVEN LESS VISIBLE IN THE FRONT. IT'S 116 FEET, YOU CAN SEE THAT LINE AND BACK BY THE GARAGE IT'S AT BETWEEN 114 AND 115 FEET. SO IT JUST GOES DOWN A FOOT OR TWO. IT'S NOT OH YEAH. BUT IT'S NOT GOING UP, SO NO, IT IS NOT. YEAH, NO. LISTENING TO THE CONCERNS THAT SOME OF THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE VOICED, HAVE YOU CONSIDERED DOWNSIZING? IT? I, I HAVEN'T BEING HONEST WITH YOU. I, I MEAN THIS IS KIND OF THIS LIKE THE SIZE THAT I WAS PLANNING ON BASED OFF OF, YOU KNOW, CURRENT AND FUTURE NEEDS AND JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, LIKE SPEND A CONSIDERABLE AMOUNT OF TIME JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT LIKE HOW MUCH SPACE, YOU KNOW, LIKE WHAT, WHAT DO I, WHAT I NEED TO KIND OF PUT WHERE LIKE, YOU KNOW, DIAGRAMMING THINGS OUT. UM, NOT THAT IT WAS SUBMITTED AS TESTIMONY, BUT JUST FOR MY OWN SAKE, YOU KNOW, WHAT CAR AM I GONNA PUT HERE AND WHAT AM I GONNA PUT THERE AND, YOU KNOW, WORK BENCHES AND, YOU KNOW, THINGS OF THAT NATURE. MM-HMM . THAT'S SORT OF WHAT I CAME UP WITH. WELL, WHEN YOU FINISH THESE, DO YOU PLAN TO GET OTHERS? I'D LIKE TO GET ONE MORE CAR. UM, I'M NOT GONNA FRANKLY BE ABLE TO AFFORD IT FOR A NUMBER OF YEARS, SO I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. UM, BUT I MEAN THE, THE CARS I HAVE NOW, THEY ARE FOREVER CARS. UM, MY KIDS CAN DEAL WITH IT WHEN I'M NO LONGER HERE, . UM, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I'M NOT, I'M NOT SOMEONE WHO BUYS AND SELLS CARS. IT'S JUST, UH, I THINK I SAID PREVIOUSLY ONE OF THEM IS MY CAR FROM COLLEGE. I WILL HAVE THAT TILL I DIE. THE OTHER ONE I'VE HAD FOR 15 PLUS YEARS, UM, I DON'T, I DON'T GET RID OF THEM. UM, YOU KNOW, THEY SORT OF, SO HOW MANY TOTAL CARS WILL BE MAINTAINED ON THE, ON THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS 1.69 ACRES? WELL, INCLUDING HIS, HIS EVERYDAY PERSONAL CARS? YES. YES. HOW MANY TOTAL CARS? UH, THERE'S, SO I HAVE A, A REGULAR VEHICLE. MY WIFE HAS A REGULAR VEHICLE AND I HAVE THREE, YEAH, THREE NP CARS. SO THAT'S FIVE HE HAS CURRENTLY. AND THERE MIGHT BE A SIXTH CAR IN THE FUTURE. WE CERTAINLY WOULDN'T WANT TO SAY NO TO THAT. YEAH. AT, AT SOME POINT IT'S NOT GONNA BE UNTIL YEARS FROM NOW. BUT IN THE, YOU KNOW, IN THE INTEREST OF HONESTY, AT SOME POINT I'LL PROBABLY HAVE ANOTHER OLD CAMARO. I DON'T KNOW WHEN THAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. SO CAN I TALK TO MY CLIENT REAL QUICK OFF THE RECORD AND WE'LL JUST YEAH. YES. DOESN'T LOOK LIKE TO TWO MATTER FIVE FEET, 16 RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY. IT, THERE'S LIKE A FEW TREES, BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT LIKE, IT'S NOT OUR JOB TO DESIGN [00:50:09] PATRICK . OKAY. SO I JUST WANTED TO SPEAK TO MY CLIENT ABOUT THE CONCERNS THE BOARD HAS. UM, AND WE OBVIOUSLY DON'T HAVE PLANS FOR A SMALLER POLE BARN, BUT WE COULD SUBMIT PLANS FOR A SMALLER ONE IF THAT WOULD BE SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD BE HAPPIER TO ENTERTAIN. WE'RE LOOKING AT SOMETHING MAYBE 30 BY 40, WHICH IS, IT'S SMALLER, BUT YOU KNOW, HE DOES HAVE THE THREE CARS THEY NEED TO SPREAD OUT FOR HIS PURPOSE. SO I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S SOMETHING THE BOARD WOULD LIKE TO ENTERTAIN. AND IF SO, WE WOULD ASK FOR EITHER THAT APPROVAL NOW OR IF YOU NEED TO SEE THE PLANS BEFORE YOU CAN APPROVE THEM, WE'D COME BACK NEXT MONTH OR WHENEVER THE NEXT AVAILABLE BOARD MEETING WAS. YEAH. PER PERSONALLY I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM BEFORE. I THOUGHT THAT MIGHT BE THE, THE ANSWER MAKING A DECISION, BUT, UM, YEAH, I APPRECIATE HAVING YOU HAVING THAT CONVERSATION AND MAYBE TALKING IT OUT AND ALLEVIATING MAYBE A POTENTIAL VOTE THAT WOULDN'T MM-HMM . YOU KNOW, GO YOUR WAY. UM, , SO DO YOU WANNA MAKE ANY OTHER COMMENTS ON THIS? I MEAN, THE SIZE OF THE GARAGE DOORS ARE JUST BIG. THE GARAGE DOORS ARE THE SAME SIZE AS YOUR EXISTING RESIDENTIAL DOORS. NOT THE SAME SIZE. OKAY. THE SAME, THE SAME DESIGN. OKAY. UM, WELL, SO I'LL I'LL TWO 16 FOOT WIDE ONES THOUGH, RIGHT? YES. CORRECT. AND YOU NEED, THESE CARS ARE EIGHT FOOT WIDE, MAYBE SIX, SEVEN FOOT WIDE. UH, BUT YOU NEED TO, THAT'S WHERE I'M HAVING A HARD TIME CONNECTING IT. WELL, JUST BEING ABLE TO PULL TWO IN, YOU KNOW, LIKE IN AS NEEDED, YOU KNOW, AS NEEDED. IT'S NOT LIKE GONNA HAPPEN ALL THE TIME. BUT, UH, I GUESS MY QUESTION TO YOU IS, WOULD YOU PREFER THREE, LIKE THREE SMALLER DOORS VERSUS, I, I'VE KIND OF SORT OF FIGURED TWO LARGER ONES WOULD. WELL, IF YOU'RE REDUCING THE SIZE, YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE SOMETHING I THAT'S ON YOU. WE'RE NOT HERE TO DESIGN IT FOR YOU. NO, WELL, NO, I'M JUST ABOUT, I'M JUST TELLING WE WANNA HAVE A DESIGN THAT'S GONNA BE MORE ACCEPTABLE TO THE BOARD. SO UNDERSTANDING YOUR CONCERNS AND COMMENTS. IF WE HAD THREE SMALLER DOORS, YOU KNOW, AND AGAIN, TO WORK WITH WHATEVER IT IS YOU NEED TO GET THE CARS IN THERE, A SMALLER FOOTPRINT OVERALL. AND A SMALLER DOOR IS BASICALLY IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE LOOKING TO, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING THAT LOOKS LESS COMMERCIAL AND MORE YES, YES. RESIDENTIAL MM-HMM. MORE RESIDE. UNDERSTOOD. BECAUSE IT, RIGHT. SO I MEAN, AND YOU CAN'T GET THREE DOORS ON THE FRONT SIDE ANYWAY IF YOU'RE GONNA REDUCE IT TO 10 FEET. RIGHT. BUT IS SO IS IT THE HEIGHT OR THE WIDTH? I, I AM JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT, WHAT THEY, IT'S, IT'S BOTH ORIGINALLY, BUT I CAN, AGAIN, IT'S A BOARD, IT'S A BOARD MEMBER DECISION FOR ME. SURE. I KNOW AS FAR BACK AS IT IS THE HEIGHT, I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN, YOU KNOW, TWO 16 FOOT DOORS, I'M NOT SO MUCH UNDERSTANDING WHY YOU NEED A 16 FOOT, TWO 16 FOOT WIDE DOORS. TO ME, THAT WOULD BE WHERE MY CONCESSIONS WOULD BE. ESPECIALLY IF YOU HAVE 40 FEET INSIDE. YEAH. IN THE CAR, YOU CAN STACK 'EM INSIDE TOO. WELL, I, I, IF WE REDUCE IT, IT WON'T BE 40 FEET WIDE OR 40 FEET DEEP. WELL, I'M, AND I THINK, SO I'M NOT A CAR PERSON, BUT I THINK YOU WERE, YOU DID PUT ON TESTIMONY ABOUT THERE WAS SOME SORT OF PIECE THAT YOU HEIGHTWISE THE LIFT SOME SORT, RIGHT. THAT IT WOULD BE EASIER FOR YOU TO MOVE IF YOU HAD A HIGHER NO. OKAY. SO I REM RECALL YOU SAYING THAT. UM, AND THEN IS THERE ANY OTHER REASON OTHER THAN FOR THE HEIGHT, RIGHT? YES. YEAH. THAT AND THEN THE ABILITY TO PULL IN A VEHICLE WITH OUR LIKE TRAVEL, UH, RIGHT, YOU SAID THAT? YES. OKAY. CARGO CARRIER. YEAH, THAT MOTOR CARRIER. THERE YOU GO. AND YOU DID SAY, SAY THAT AS WELL. OKAY. YEAH. AND THAT'S, BUT LIKE YOU SAID, THERE'S A CONCESSION PIECE, THAT'S FINE. BUT NONE OF THESE CARS ARE 16 FEET WIDE. NO, THEY'RE NOT. BUT I MEAN, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S ALSO BECAUSE OF HOW THE DRIVEWAY HAS TO BE DESIGNED BECAUSE OF THE WAY THE PROPERTY IS LAID OUT, PULLING IN AT AN ANGLE TOO MM-HMM . SO TO HAVE THE EXTRA WIDTH, I DON'T THINK IF YOU EVER TRIED TO PULL IN A CAR INTO A NARROW SPOT, IT'S NOT THE EASIEST THING IN THE WORLD. I UNDERSTAND. AND I, I, AGAIN, THIS IS JUST A, IT'S CONVERSATION EVER HAPPENED. NO, YEAH. OF WHAT MY CONCERNS ARE. YOU GUYS CAN DECIDE WHAT IT, I THINK WHAT WE'D LIKE TO DO IS THEN REQUEST AN ADJOURN TO THE NEXT AVAILABLE MEETING. WE WILL RESUBMIT DESIGN PLANS OF THE GARAGE AND UM, AND MAYBE WE CAN GO FROM THERE. IS THAT MY, I THINK THAT'S GOING TO BE THE WAY WE'LL, WE'LL GO FORWARD. PLEASE. I, I DID WANT TO SAY THAT I UNDERSTAND THE PURPOSE OF THE GARAGE DOORS. IF YOU'RE 10 FOOT ALREADY 10 FOOT, THERE ISN'T A BIG DEAL. IF YOU ARE, I UNDERSTAND WHY YOU'RE LOOKING FOR 16 FOOT ON BOTH. BECAUSE IF YOU HAVE TWO CARS THAT ARE GOING IN AND YOU PUT INDIVIDUAL DOORS, YOU'RE GONNA LIMIT IT. SO IF THE, IF THE APERTURE IS ONLY EIGHT OR 10 FOOT WIDE, THAT MEANS THAT YOU NEED TO NOW TAKE CARS IN [00:55:01] AND OUT AND GOING BACK AND FORTH FOR YOU TO BE ABLE TO MOVE THINGS AROUND. CORRECT. SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO USE THE GARAGE AS INTENDED. CORRECT. NOW YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PULL SOMETHING OUT OR PULL SOMETHING IN FURTHER. SO I, I UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGE WITH, UH, WITH THE DOORS AND THE SIZES. YEAH. CORRECT. ESPECIALLY IF YOU ALREADY HAVE 10 FOOT, YOU'RE MATCHING THE HEIGHT. 16 FOOT IS GONNA BE MORE OF A STANDARD DOUBLE GARAGE DOOR ANYWAY, SO I UNDERSTAND THAT. YEAH. BUT IF YOU ONLY HAVE A 30 FOOT WIDE BUILDING, YOU CAN'T 30, IT'S, SO NOW MAYBE THERE MAY BE ONE THAT'S 16 FOOT AND ONE THAT'S, YOU KNOW, SOMETHING ELSE, YOU KNOW, IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA PROBABLY CHANGE THAT. UM, I GUESS THE OTHER THING IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO FIGURE OUT THE SIZE OF YOUR LIFT SO THAT YOU CAN GET IT IN AND OUT TO BE ABLE TO ACTUALLY PULL IT OUT AND TO SLIDE IT OVER. I DON'T KNOW IF IT'LL, IF YOU'LL BE ABLE TO ACCOMPLISH THAT. IF YOU HAVE, YOU KNOW. YEAH, WELL LEAST WHAT I'M SAYING IS YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO KIND OF THINK THAT OUT TO SEE YEAH. IF THAT'S GONNA WORK. CORRECT. WHICH IS AGAIN, WHY I SORT OF WENT WITH THE SIZE I DID, BECAUSE IT SORT OF DOESN'T, THERE'S, THERE'S CLEARLY NO ISSUES GIVEN THE SIZE THAT WAS PROPOSED. SO, BUT YEAH, WHEN IT GETS SMALLER THAT'S WHEN, YOU KNOW THINGS HAVE TO BE MORE FINE GRAIN CALCULATED AND RIGHT. AND WE'RE JUST VISIONING IT FROM LIKE THE STREET VIEW, LOOKING STRAIGHT BACK, SEEING THIS KIND OF STRUCTURE, WHICH I THINK YOU'RE STILL GONNA SEE SOME OF IT. I, YOU'RE NOT GONNA SEE A LOT JUST BASED OFF OF HOW FAR IT IS. IT'S ALSO BEHIND THE FENCE MM-HMM . AND AS SHE HAS, AND UH, MICHELLE STATED THE PROPERTY DOES DIP ALSO. SO BETWEEN THE FENCE, BETWEEN THE, THE DIP IN THE YARD AND YOU KNOW, THE EXISTING LANDSCAPING AND SUCH, IT'S, I MEAN, WELL THAT'S THE WALL. I'M SAYING THAT'S THE MOST IN MY MIND OKAY. BEING A CONCERN. SURE. ALL RIGHT. TO WHAT WOULD BE THE NEXT MEETING IS FEBRUARY 18TH. IS THERE ROOM ON THE AGENDA FOR THAT, ON THAT MEETING OR WOULD THE, THE ONLY OTHER CONCERN I HAVE IS I WANNA BE SURE THAT WE CAN HAVE REVISED PLANS MADE UP AND SUBMITTED IN TIME FOR EVERYBODY TO REVIEW AND SOMETIMES THAT CAN'T BE DONE QUITE IN A MONTH THAT CAN BE DONE. YEAH. OKAY. OKAY. SO IS YOU CAN JUST OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC, JUST SEE IF ANYBODY'S HERE FIRST AND THEN OKAY. AND WE'LL DEAL WITH THAT. OKAY. ALRIGHT. UM, SURE. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC? SO ALL IN FAVOR? AYE AYE, AYE. HEY, IF THERE IS ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, FINE. . HI. HI. IF YOU DO MISS OBJECT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. YEAH. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM, TOUCH NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS CHERYL QUIGLEY. Q-U-I-G-L-E-Y, WHICH IS CHERYL'S, YES. C. C. AND YOUR ADDRESS? TWO QUAIL RIDGE COURT. BACK TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR. SO TWO IS BEFORE YOU START, IF YOU ARE, IF YOU'RE LOOKING AT, UH, MR. CLEMENS HOUSE, I'M TO THE RIGHT. OKAY, THANK YOU. SO THE OPPOSITE SIDE OF WHERE OPPOSITE SIDE YEAH. OF WHERE HE'S PROPOSING FROM HIS. OKAY. UM, ONE OF OUR MAIN CONCERNS IS THAT THIS DOES LOOK LIKE A COMMERCIAL BUILDING. AND MY CONCERN IS, IS SORT OF MULTIFOLD. YOU KNOW, I, I HAVE A CONCERN THAT IT SETS A PRECEDENT FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD. YOU KNOW, WE'RE JUST ONE STREET WITH 13 HOUSES, NICE AND QUIET SET BACK THERE. AND MY FEAR IS, YOU KNOW, THE NEXT TIME SOMEBODY GOES TO SELL THEIR HOUSE, PEOPLE LOOKING CAN LOOK AND GO, OH, EXCELLENT. THIS IS A GREAT PLACE FOR ME TO RUN MY CONSTRUCTION BUSINESS OUT OF. OR, YOU KNOW, MY PLUMBING BUSINESS. I CAN PUT UP THIS GREAT BIG GARAGE AND STORE ALL MY EQUIPMENT OR MY, MY FLEET OF VEHICLES THERE. AND THEN THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS THE, YOU KNOW, ISSUE OF DEALING, UM, WITH BUSINESSES THAT SHOULDN'T BE THERE. UH, IT'S ALSO, IN MY OPINION, GONNA BE HARD FOR PEOPLE SELLING THE HOUSE TO CONVINCE PEOPLE. NO, NO. I, I KNOW IT LOOKS LIKE A PROFESSIONAL MECHANIC BUILDING OVER THERE, BUT REALLY IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST FOR HIS CARS. SO I DEFINITELY HAVE SOME CONCERN AS TO, YOU KNOW, WHAT THIS PERCEPTION COULD DO AND HOW THIS COULD CHANGE THE RELATIONSHIP. I DO ALSO HAVE SOME CONCERNS WITH THE ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT. UM, WE WERE TOLD WHEN WE MOVED IN 20 PLUS YEARS AGO, THAT THIS IS WETLANDS PROTECTED. I HAVE A HILL IN MY BACKYARD THAT WE WERE TOLD WAS THE BERM, AND WE WERE TOLD WE COULD NOT BUILD ANYTHING BEYOND THAT BERM. WE COULD NOT CLEAR ANY PROPERTY BEYOND THAT BERM. AND I KNOW THE PLACE THAT HE WANTS TO PLACE THIS IS BEYOND HIS BERM. SO I HAVE A LITTLE CONCERN AS TO THE WETLANDS ASPECT AND THE BUFFER ZONE AND WHAT WE CAN OR CANNOT DO. AND I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN 20 SOME YEARS. I DON'T KNOW IF THINGS HAVE CHANGED OR REGULATIONS HAVE CHANGED. I JUST KNOW FROM MY STANDPOINT THAT'S THE RULES THAT WE ARE FAMILIAR WITH. UM, SO I WOULD LIKE THAT ADDRESSED AS WELL. UM, AND AGAIN, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M FINE WITH MR. CLEMAN HAVING A HOBBY AND I KNOW HE HAS THE CARS. I DO. I DID WANNA MENTION, I THINK, AND JASON, PLEASE [01:00:01] TELL ME IF I'M WRONG, BUT YOU HAVE A THREE CAR GARAGE NOW, CORRECT? UH, YEAH. YEAH. OKAY. 'CAUSE I JUST KNOW THAT HIS ATTORNEY HAD MENTIONED THAT IT WAS A TWO CAR GARAGE, SO I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WE WERE CLEAR ON, YOU KNOW, THE SIZE THAT HE HAS NOW IN ADDITION TO WHAT HE'S LOOKING TO BUILD. SO THAT WAS IT. THAT WAS ALL I REALLY HAD TO SAY. THANK YOU. THANKS. THANK YOU FOR COMING. RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM, TELL TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH HELP YOU GOD? I DO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD. MY NAME IS RE DEN ERY. I'M AT NUMBER FIVE QUAIL RIDGE COURT. AND CAN YOU JUST SPELL YOUR LAST NAME? O-D-I-N-K-E-M-E-R-E FIVE RIDGE COURT. BACK TO YOU, MADAM CHAIR. YES. AND I AM CONCERNED, AND MY CONCERNS ARE BASICALLY THE SAME AS NUMBER TWO. UM, NUMBER ONE, I THOUGHT THAT IT LOOKED LIKE A COMMERCIAL PROPERTY HE WAS BUILT IN BECAUSE HE'S SAYING THAT IT'S A SIX CAR GARAGE FOR THREE OR FOR THREE, UM, CARS. SO IN MY, IN MY MIND, I BELIEVE HE'S GOING TO USE IT FOR SOME KIND OF, UH, COMMERCIAL PURPOSES. AND I WAS CONCERNED, I AM CONCERNED BECAUSE I DON'T WANT HIM TO START, UM, BRINGING IN ADDITIONAL CARS JUST BECAUSE HE HAS THE SPACE. AND I KNOW IT'S GOING TO IMPACT US AND OUR CHILDREN BECAUSE NUMBER THREE IS WHERE ALL THE BUSES PICK UP THE CHILDREN IN THE MORNING AND DROP THEM OFF. AND I THINK THAT THIS CAN, UM, AFFECT OUR CHILDREN ULTIMATELY. SO I DON'T WANT THAT PROPERTY. UH, UH, UH, THAT THREE GAR GARAGE PROPERTY, UM, GARAGE, THE THREE DOOR GARAGE BEING PLACED AT NUMBER THREE QUAIL RIDGE COURT. THANK YOU. AMEN. THANK YOU FOR COMING. OKAY. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK? SEEING NONE. DO YOU HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE? MOVE SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. COME BACK UP. SURE. UM, MAD CHAIR, COULD I JUST CLARIFY SOMETHING? SURE. YES. TO, UH, MRS. QUIGLEY'S, UH, CONCERN ABOUT THE BERM. WE DID, UM, ONE OF THE, THIS CAME IN A, A WHILE AGO. UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT CAME UP WAS THAT THERE WAS THESE REQUIREMENTS ABOUT WETLANDS. AND SO ON YOUR PLAN, YOU CAN SEE, UM, WHERE THE, THE WETLANDS BUFFER IS AND WHERE THE SETBACK IS FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE. SO THAT IS ON THE PLAN, AND THAT WAS ADDED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT WAS NOT IN THAT LOCATION. SO IF THERE'S, THANK YOU. I WOULD CONCERN ABOUT THAT. YEAH. BRING THAT UP MYSELF. THAT WE DID TAKE THAT INTO CONSIDERATION. AND WE ARE NOT IN THE WETLANDS OR THE BUFFER AREA. OKAY. UM, AND THEN I DO BELIEVE WE DID WANT CLARIFICATION ON THE TWO CAR GARAGE VERSUS THREE CARS. YOUR EXISTING GARAGE, THE ATTACHED GARAGE HAS TWO DOORS. NO, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S THREE DOORS. IT'S THREE, IT'S THREE DOORS. THREE DOORS. IF THAT WAS ON, THAT WAS ON MS, UH, TAYLOR'S THING AND I MISSED IT. OKAY. IS IT THREE CAR GARAGE? YEAH. EVERY HOUSE ON MY STREET HAS THREE, THREE CAR GARAGE. OUR LETTER IS THREE EIGHT FOOT DOORS. WHAT WAS THAT? THREE NINE FOOT GARAGE DOORS OR EIGHT FOOT GARAGE? I HAD TO MEASURE THEM. THEY'RE PROBABLY EIGHT OR NINE FEET. EIGHT FEET. OKAY. AND THEN DO WE KNOW WHAT THE AGENDA LOOKS LIKE FOR FEBRUARY? LIKE, I'M NOT AWARE OF IT BEING FULL, BUT HOPEFULLY THE, UH, WIRELESS CARRIER WILL BE ON THE ONE THAT CLOSE CARRY. SO CAN'T TAKE TIME. IT'S GONNA BE A GOOD HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS. YEAH. OKAY. SO YEAH, I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE CAN DO. LIKE IF WE CAN SAY THAT IT'S FEBRUARY OR IF WE HAVE TO SPECIFICALLY SAY THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S MARCH. WELL, IT, WE, WE JUST HAVE TO MOVE IT TO A DATE CERTAIN SO THE APPLICANT DOESN'T HAVE TO RENO. OKAY. UM, WHETHER IT'S THE, THEY'RE ASKING FOR FEBRUARY 18TH, UM, OR MARCH 18TH, MOVE INTO THE MARCH DATE. FEBRUARY. FEBRUARY, AND YOU'RE THE BOARD. SO YOU DECIDE, OKAY. WE, BUT I JUST DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MARCH DATE IS. 18TH MARCH 18TH. 18TH. WE WOULD PREFER THE FEBRUARY DATE IF IT'S AVAILABLE. OKAY. OKAY. I MEAN, IT'S GONNA BE A LONG NIGHT. I MEAN, IT WOULD BE AFTER THE WIRE, THE WIRELESS TESTING CARRIER TWICE. MM-HMM. OKAY. THAT'S, UH, WE WOULD BE AFTER THE, THE USE CARRIER. THE WIRELESS CARRIER? YEAH. OKAY. I MEAN, YOU WANT, WE WOULD BE AFTER THE WIRELESS CAR. I KNOW YOU DON'T HAVE THE AGENDA, CAN'T. I DON'T. BUT I ASSUME THERE'S ALREADY APPLICATIONS ON THE AGENDA AS WELL, RIGHT? YES. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT'S OUR TIME? LIKE? I'M NOT, I DON'T THINK THAT WE'RE GONNA GO, I'M JUST TRYING TO THINK OF LIKE, WHAT IF, UM, YEAH, THE WIRELESS, THE, THE APPLICATION GOES ON FOR 10:00 PM 10:00 PM WE, I THOUGHT IT WAS NINE 30. WE DON'T START ANYTHING AFTER THAT. WAS IT 10? I I DON'T REMEMBER YOUR RULES, BUT I THOUGHT IT WAS, IT'S YOUR RULES. IT'S NINE 30 OR 10. IT'S LIKE NINE 30. NO, NO NEW APPLICATION. OKAY. AND YOU DON'T, BUT THEN YOU DON'T TO STOP. OKAY. [01:05:01] I WANTED TO KNOW WHEN THE NEW APPLICATIONS, WHAT THE TIME IS FOR THE NEW APPLICATION. ONE. WE ARE NO LONGER HEARING ANOTHER APPLICATION. IT'S USUALLY, I THOUGHT IT WAS NINE 30. I BELIEVE THAT'S CORRECT. YOU HAVEN'T BEGOTTEN THAT LATE IN THE FALL TIME. IT'S BEEN A WHILE. RIGHT THERE. IT'S BEEN A, SO THERE ARE OTHER APP, SMALLER APPLICATIONS. I DON'T, DON'T HAVE THEM IN FRONT OF ME. I WASN'T PREPARED FOR THAT, FOR THIS TO BE CARRIED. OKAY. LET'S, LET'S PUT IT ON FOR, LET'S PUT IT ON FOR FEBRUARY. I WOULD PREFER, AND THEN IT'S FRESH WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'RE GOING AFTER THE CELL TOWER APPLICATION AND IT'S, FOR SOME REASON WE GET TO NINE 30 AND WE'RE STILL DOING THAT. SO I'LL TELL OUR APPLICATION THEN, YOU KNOW, THEN IT WOULD GO TO MARCH. UNDERSTOOD. OKAY. DOES THE PUBLIC COMMENT NEED TO COME BACK FOR THAT OR DOES THAT STAY ON THE RECORD? SO THE PUBLIC COMMENT STILL, UM, CALLS FOR TODAY, BUT JUST REMEMBER OF THE PUBLIC, UM, FOR THE PEOPLE THAT ARE HERE FOR THE KLEINMAN APPLICATION, UH, THE APPLICATIONS BEING REQUESTED TO BE CARRIED UNTIL FEBRUARY 18TH AT SIX 30, YOU WILL NOT GET ANY FURTHER NOTICE. SO THIS IS YOUR ONLY NOTICE. OKAY. OKAY. OKAY. 18TH YOU SAID? YES. OKAY. SO THEY, THEY WILL HAVE ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY FOR PUBLIC COMMENT. MR. VICE CHAIR AT THE TIME OF THE SECOND HEARING, I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY YES, THANK YOU. BUT THIS IS ALREADY PART OF THE RECORD. CORRECT. OKAY. CAN, CAN I ADD ONE THING BEFORE WE CLOSE? MM-HMM . UM, JUST FOR, UH, I CAN'T SPELL HER LAST NAME. UH, WINIFRED THAT LIVES AT HOUSE FIVE. UM, HER CONCERN REGARDING THE BUS STOP IN FRONT OF MY HOUSE, UH, THESE VEHICLES GENERALLY DON'T COME OUT DURING THE WEEK. IT'S ON THE WEEKEND DURING THE SUMMER. SO I DON'T FRANKLY SEE A CONCERN THERE. I'M NOT, I'M NOT DRIVING THESE IN THE MORNING. UM, CERTAINLY NOT DURING, NOT USUALLY DURING THE SCHOOL YEAR. UM, FOR EXAMPLE, UM, I DON'T, I TAKE THEM TO CAR SHOWS. I TAKE THEM TO CARS AND COFFEE TYPE THINGS. UM, SO I'M, AND EVEN WHEN I DO THAT, IT'S NOT AT THE TIME WHEN THE BUS COMES, 'CAUSE I, FRANKLY, I'M GETTING MY KIDS ON THE BUS, SO I'M NOT REALLY GOING AND DRIVING AROUND ANYWHERE. SO I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY THAT. THANK YOU. SURE. OKAY. DO WE NEED A MOTION? MOTION TO CARRY FEBRUARY 18TH WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE? MOTION TO CARRY FEBRUARY 18TH. THAT WAS REALLY GOOD. OKAY. UM, ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SEE YOU NEXT ONE. MADAM CHAIR. CAN WE JUST HAVE A CLARIFICATION ON WHEN THAT DOCUMENT NEEDED TO BE SUBMITTED BY TWO WEEKS PRIOR, ISN'T IT TO BE ON THE 18TH? THEY HAVE TO BE, TYPICALLY EVERYTHING IS SUBMITTED TWO WEEKS PRIOR. EVERYTHING HAS TO BE ON FILE WITH WITNESS WITH YOU, NO LESS THAN 10 WEEKS PRIOR. WHICH WOULD BE THE EIGHTH. EIGHTH, YES. SO FEBRUARY CAN GET HIM TO YOU BY THEN? PARDON? CAN GET THAT? YES. WE'LL HAVE, YEAH, WE'LL HAVE TO YOU AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. NOVEMBER THAN THE EIGHTH, CORRECT? EIGHTH, I'M SORRY. TWO WEEKS OR 10 DAYS? PREFERABLY TWO WEEKS. IT, IT'LL BE, IT'LL BE EARLY FEBRUARY 4TH. THANKS. CORRECT. SO THAT WOULD PUT YOU ON FEBRUARY 8TH. ALRIGHT. HOW ABOUT FOURTH? YEAH. OKAY. THERE YOU GO. IT, IT'LL BE BEFORE THEN. OKAY. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. GOOD LUCK. OKAY. ALRIGHT. NEXT APPLICATION. LISA, POST 20 GULF VIEW DRIVE BLOCK 27 0 1 0 1 LOT 45. SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT AN 11 AND A HALF BITES, 25 FOOT PORCH. FRONT PORCH. ALRIGHT, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TRUTH? NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH. I HELP YOU GOD, HIM ALSO. OH, YOU'RE BE PROVIDING, PROVIDING TESTIMONY AS WELL? MAYBE. OKAY. MAY YOU SWEAR YOU BOTH PLEASE TRY. DO YOU SWEAR, SWEAR, COURT SWEAR AFFIRM THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, YOU GOD. YES I DO. ALRIGHT MA'AM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD. LISA POST. POST? YES, SIR. NICHOLAS LENNIC. J-E-L-E-N-I-C. ALRIGHT, MS. POST, YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY. YES, I AM. AND THIS IS MY HUSBAND. BUT YOU UNDERSTAND THE NAME OF MY LENNIC. OH, I DO. OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL FIRST OF ALL, CONGRATULATIONS BOARD ON YOUR NEW ASSIGNMENT FOR THE NEXT YEAR. IT'S GOOD TO SEE NEW FACES. UH, MADAM CHAIR, THANK YOU FOR ALLOWING US TO BE SEEN ON THIS APPLICATION. MY HUSBAND, MY HUSBAND , ARE NOW HAVE OUR PHONE GOING OFF. UM, WE'RE HERE FOR VARIANCE FOR A PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING SETBACK FOR THE ADDITION OF A FRONT PORCH. OUR, OBVIOUSLY OUR HOUSE WAS BUILT BEFORE THE RULES WERE MADE. THE FRONT, UH, PORCH WILL BE, EXCUSE ME, THE FRONT PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING SETBACK REQUIREMENT IS 50 FEET. IT CURRENTLY HAS 44.5. WE'RE ASKING TO GO TAKE OUT 12 FOR 35.5. THERE ARE NO WETLAND REQUIREMENTS AND NO OTHER VARIANCES REQUIRED. WE HAVE ENOUGH, UM, SIDE, UH, [01:10:01] WELL, UH, WHAT'S THAT CALLED? SPACE. ONE THING ON THE ENGINEER'S LETTER WHEN WE GET TO THAT ON COMMENT TWO, I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND THAT. SO WE'LL COVER THAT WHEN I GET THERE. AND THE PERCENTAGE OF LOT COVERAGE IS UNDER 30 AT 24.7. IF YOU WOULD GET INTO YOUR, UH, PACKETS, YOU'LL SEE WE GAVE YOU FOUR DIFFERENT PICTURES OF THE PROPERTY. IT BASICALLY WILL BE GOING FROM THE GARAGE DOOR TO THE WINDOW. THE ROOF AND THE COLORING WILL FOLLOW THE EXISTING COLOR COLORINGS WE HAVE NOW. AND WE EXPECT MOST OF IT TO BE OPEN, UH, SCREENING. AND IT WILL BE SPECIAL SCREENING SO THAT KITTY CAT DOESN'T RUIN IT. UH, LET'S SEE HERE WE WILL, UM, WITH THE CURRENT PHOTOS, YOU'LL SEE IT'S ABOUT 290 SQUARE FEET. WE'RE GONNA DESIGN IT. AT FIRST WE WANTED THE DOOR TO GO STRAIGHT OUT TO THE STREET. WE HAVE DECIDED TO GO FROM NORTH TO SOUTH WITH IT. OUR HOUSE FACED DIRECTLY EAST, WE'RE GOING TO HAVE THE, UH, SIDEWALK THREE STEPS UP. THE LIGHTING WILL BE THE ONE, THOSE TYPE OF LIGHTINGS THAT JUST SHOW DOWN ON EACH STEP SO THAT PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO SEE IT. YOU CAN THEN GO THROUGH THE COVERED PORCH DOWN THE OTHER SIDE. THERE'LL BE NO EXTERIOR LIGHTING PUT ON. WE DO HAVE, UM, SOME FANS THAT WILL BE PUT IN PLACE AND THEN THE RECESSED LIGHTING LIKE THEY HAVE HERE. AND THEN THAT WILL ALL DEPEND HOW MANY ON WHAT IS COMFORTABLE WHEN WE HAVE THE PORCH BUILT. UH, LET'S SEE IF WE CAN GO INTO THE ENGINEER'S LETTER. AND, AND FOR THE RECORD, I'M A PLANNER. I'M NOT THE ENGINEER. . OH WELL, OKAY. THE ENGINEER'S NOT HERE TONIGHT. . AND WE APPOINTED THEM. I CAN SEE A DEDUCT. THEY WERE SAVING ENOUGH MONEY. IT'S CALLED SAVING THE TOWNSHIP MONEY. . OKAY. THEY'RE NOT NEEDED. AND THEY'RE NOT NEEDED. OKAY. ON THE LETTER COMMENTS, ONE, PROVIDE TESTIMONY OF WHY A SPECIAL VARIANCE. WE'LL GET TO THAT. UH, ZONING VARIANCE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD. THIS, I BELIEVE, AND, UM, KNOWING HOW OLD THE HOUSE IS, WAS BUILT IN 64, 66 SOMEWHERES AROUND THERE. IT IS A, UM, NOT VERY BECOMING. LOOK, I DON'T LIKE IT. IT'S MY OWN HOUSE. UH, DEVIATION OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT. AND THE VARIANCE NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT OF PURPOSE. IT'S JUST TO IMPROVE OUR, UH, OUR HOUSE HERE. NUMBER TWO, THE BOARD SHOULD ADVISE SUBSECTION FIVE 19 PERMIT STRUCTURES PRIOR TO 79 TO BE LOCATED 15 FEET FROM THE SIDE. LOT LINE. HOWEVER, EXPANSION OF NONCONFORMING STRUCTURES IS NOT PERMITTED PER THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW. WHAT THAT, WHAT DID THAT THAT JUST SAY THAT'S A POINT OF INFORMATION. OH, I WAS LIKE, WHAT THE, IT DOES I JUST SAY BECAUSE IT'S SAYING YOU CAN'T. ALRIGHT, NEVERMIND. YOU CAN, BUT YOU CAN'T. RIGHT, RIGHT. THE ORDINANCE IS NOT NECESSARILY, UM, IT, IT PROTECTS YOUR NON-CONFORMING STRUCTURE. IT DOES NOT PERMIT THE EXPANSION OF SAME. OKAY. THANK YOU . ALRIGHT, NUMBER THREE. UH, REGARDING THE PROPOSED STRUCTURE AND THE COLORS. THIS IS SAID WE'RE JUST TRYING TO GO WITH WHAT WE HAVE ON THE HOUSE ALREADY. WE HAVE NO TREES IN THE AREA SO WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT THAT. AND THEN FOR OUR NUMBERS, FIVE AND SIX ARE BOTH NON-APPLICABLE 'CAUSE WE DON'T HAVE ANY TREES AND WE ARE NOT GOING TO BE ADDING ANY EXTRA LIGHTING. SO JUSTIFICATION FOR OUR REQUEST. NUMBER ONE, UM, I DID MENTION IF YOU LOOK AT THAT HOUSE, IT FACES DIRECTLY EAST, WE HAVE A METAL DOOR OF SMART CHOICE AND A METAL, UH, SCREEN DOOR. ANOTHER NOT SMART CHOICE. THE MORNING SUN COMES IN DURING THE SUMMER, OUR PROPERTY DOOR GETS SO HOT, WE HAVE TO PUT A TOWEL ON THERE TO BE ABLE TO PULL IT OPEN 'CAUSE IT CAN ACTUALLY BURN YOUR HAND. SO WE NEED TO GET, WE WOULD LIKE TO GET SOME TYPE OF COVERAGE. UH, SECOND THING WE DO BELIEVE IT'LL IMPROVE THE CURB APPEAL. THIRD THING, WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT TO US. WE'D LIKE IT FOR THE SECURITY OF OUR CAT. WE GOT A NEW CAT. WE'VE BRINGING HIM UP TO BE TOTALLY INDOORS. HE LOVES THE BACK SCREENED PORCH. WE LOVE TO SIT OUT FRONT, WATCH THE TRAFFIC GO BY, WE HAVE A LITTLE LAKE ACROSS THE STREET, NATURE, BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. YOU KNOW, AND THAT GOES INTO WE'RE SENIORS. UH, WE WOULD LOVE TO BE ABLE TO STAY HERE IN MEDFORD, UH, AND JUST IMPROVE UPON THE PROPERTY. WE'VE GOT PEOPLE BITING US IN THE HEELS TO LEAVE SO THAT THEY COULD BUY IT. AND, 'CAUSE WE'RE RIGHT ON THE GOLF COURSE, WE WANNA STAY. IF YOU APPROVE IT, THEN WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT MOVING. AND WE WOULD GREATLY APPRECIATE THAT. AND WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. THANK YOU MS. TAYLOR. UNLESS THE BOARD HAS [01:15:01] QUESTIONS, I CERTAINLY DON'T HAVE ANY COMMENTS. I, I WOULD AGREE THAT, THAT THE PORCH WILL ADD AN AMENITY AND IT MEETS THE, THE C TWO AND THE C ONE CRITERIA, FRANKLY. YES. OKAY. DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS BEFORE I OPEN IT UP? NO. OKAY. CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN TO THE PUBLIC MOTION TO OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD WITHOUT TO DO SO. SEEING NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OKAY. UH, I HAVE NO COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS, SO. ALRIGHT. ALRIGHT. MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION AS HAVE SECOND. OKAY. ROLL CALL PLEASE. MR. . AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MS. LL AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE-CHAIRMAN RICKER AYE. AND MADAM CHAIR AMBU. AYE. THANK, THANK YOU VERY MUCH AND THANK YOU. THANK YOU ALL FOR VOLUNTEERING RETIREMENT. IT IS A, IT IS A BLESSING TO BE ABLE TO SIT ON THE FRONT PORCH AND HOPEFULLY ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THAT A KIT KITTY CAT IN HIS CIGAR. UM, KITTY CAT IN A CIGAR AND A GOLF CLUB IN THE OTHER HAND. THANK YOU ALL. THANK YOU. OKAY. LAST ONE OF THE NIGHT, ADAM AND ELIZABETH HILL. THREE 50 FAIRVIEW DRIVE BLOCK 50 50, 55, 0 7, 0 2. LOT TWO. SEEING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK FOR A SECOND STORY ADDITION TO THE DWELLING. HI, I AM ELIZABETH HILL, MY HUSBAND ADAM HILL, HEADED HOME 'CAUSE WE HAVE THREE YOUNG CHILDREN. WE'RE HOME WITH THE BABYSITTER. SWEAR YOU IN. YES. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH. AND MADAM COUNSELOR OR WHAT? UH, ARCHITECT. ARCHITECT. OKAY. DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO. I DO. PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD. SURE. I'M SORRY. IT'S ELIZABETH HILL, LAST NAME HILL. AND YOU'RE IN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES. AND YOU MAY. I'M LISA SOOS, S-O-U-L-O OS. AND I'M AN ARCHITECTING THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND LICENSING WITH STANFORD. WONDERFUL. SO WE'RE HERE. MAD CHAIR. AM I OKAY. YES, GO AHEAD. OKAY. I'M SORRY. WE'RE HERE. SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE. UM, FOR FRONT, ORIGINALLY FRONT YARD SETBACK PER THE TAYLOR GROUP'S, UM, DISCUSSION. IT'S ALSO REAR YARD SETBACK, UM, IN TERMS OF THE REQUIREMENTS, BUT WE HAVE PREEXISTING CONDITIONS. SO THE STRUCTURE ALREADY PRESENT DOES NOT MEET THESE GUIDELINES. UM, AND SO WE NEED A BULK VARIANCE TO BUILD ON TOP OF OUR HOUSE. AND I THINK THAT LISA HAS A BETTER EXPLANATION OF WHAT EXACTLY WE'RE I THINK YOU PROOF. OH, OKAY. WE HAVE A CORNER LOT. SO, SO JUST BEFORE YOU BEGIN, YES. YOU SAID YOU WERE LICENSED, LICENSED ARCHITECT IN THE STATE OF THE JERSEY LICENSE IN GOOD STANDING YES. PROVIDE TESTIMONY BEFORE? YES. AND DOES WILL HONOR ACCEPT THEIR CREDENTIALS? YES. COOL. MY THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO, UH, BETH AND HER HUSBAND ADAM HAVE A TWO, MOSTLY TWO STORY STRUCTURE. IT'S THE CORON OF FAIRVIEW AND HENCHMAN. THERE IS A ONE STORY SUNROOM ENCLOSED TO THE SIDE. THE ROOF IS FAILING AND, UH, PROBABLY BECAUSE THE, UH, CATHEDRAL CEILING RAFTERS ARE UNDERSIZED. AND THEY DECIDED TO MAKE, TAKE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT A SECOND, SINCE THE ROOF NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, PUT A SECOND FLOOR ADDITION ON THAT WILL BE A NEW MASTER BEDROOM SUITE. THEIR EXISTING MASTER BEDROOM IS SMALL, THE BATHROOM'S EVEN SMALLER. SO SECOND FLOOR OVER THE EXISTING ONE STORY SUNROOM ON SIDE OF HOUSE. UM, IT WILL HAVE A BEDROOM WALK-IN CLOSET AND THE EXISTING BEDROOM WILL BECOME THE MASTER BATHROOM WALKTHROUGH. SO THERE WERE ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS INCLUDED IN YOUR PACKET. UM, AND IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURE, THE INTENT IS TO BLEND THE NEW CONSTRUCTION WITH THE EXISTING, THE EXISTING FRONT OF HOUSE HAS A MANSARD ROOF WITH A VERY OVERLY RUSTICA, UH, VINYL SHAKE SIDING THAT WILL BE REMOVED AND REPLACED WITH SOMETHING A LITTLE MORE PLEASING. THE REST OF THE HOUSE IS STANDARD VINYL, HORIZONTAL SIDING. THE ADDITIONAL WILL HAVE THAT WINDOWS ON THE FRONT OF THE ADDITION WILL BE, UH, CASEMENT WINDOWS SIMILAR, UM, PROPORTIONS TO EXISTING. AND UM, AND LUCKILY THE SUNROOM, THE ONE STORY ADDITION IS SET BACK FROM THE MAIN FRONT OF HOUSE BY FOUR TO SIX INCHES, WHICH ALLOWS A LITTLE BREAK IN THE WALL, A LITTLE BREAK IN THE ROOF AND IS PLEASING. IT JUST KIND OF BREAKS A LITTLE BIT. UH, THERE WILL BE NO NEW EXTERIOR LIGHTING INSTALLED. NO TREES WILL BE TAKEN DOWN. UH, THERE WILL BE NO CHANGE IN THE EXISTING BUILT OR IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE. AND, [01:20:01] AND SO BASICALLY WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF A NUMBER OF PREEXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS. THANK YOU. YOU'RE WELCOME. LOOKING AT THE, UH, PROPOSED ADDITION DOCUMENT. UM, IS THE WHOLE, IS THE ENTIRE ROOF GETTING REPLACED? YES. THE ENTIRE ONE STORY ROOF WILL BE REMOVED. HOW MANY BEDROOMS IS IT CURRENTLY? WE HAVE FOUR BEDROOMS IN OUR HOUSE AND WE ARE JUST MAKING ONE OF THEM LARGER. OKAY. SO THERE WON'T BE A FIT? NO. NO. ALRIGHT. I I DIDN'T HAVE A COMMENT THAT I WAS JUST ASKING BECAUSE I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW IT WAS GONNA AFFECT, IT'S GOOD TO CLARIFY BECAUSE SOMETIMES THAT, AND SOMETIMES THAT AFFECTS PARKING. ONSITE PARKING. YEAH. I WAS THINKING MORE FOR SEPTIC 'CAUSE YEAH, WELL YOU'RE NOT, WE ARE, SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. YEAH. YEAH. WE'RE NOT SEPTIC. YEAH. THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION, THE ROOF LINE ISN'T GONNA LINE UP TO THE EXISTING PART OF THE HOUSE. RIGHT NOW IT LOOKS A LITTLE DIFFERENT. IT, THE SLOPE WILL BE THE SAME, BUT BECAUSE THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE IS PULLED, THE FRONT WALL'S PULLED BACK ABOUT FOUR INCHES. GOTCHA. THE ROOF WILL BREAK. IT'LL BREAK EARLIER THAN THE, BUT SAME SLOPE. YEAH. OKAY. SO THE, SO THE, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE ROOFING IS GOING TO BE TAKEN OFF FROM THE FIRST. IS IT ALSO GONNA MATCH UP WITH THE SECOND FLOOR UP THERE? YES. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. MS. TAYLOR, IN FACT, WE'RE REROOFING THE ENTIRE EXISTING HOUSE. OKAY. INCLUDING THE SHAKE ON THE FRONT. YEAH. WE'RE GONNA REDO, LIKE I'M THE WHOLE HOUSE, THE SHAKING EVERYTHING, RIGHT? YES. YES. CORRECT. AND THE, AND THE SIDING WILL, WELL, WE'RE PLANNING TO JUST MATCH IT ALL ACROSS, MATCH IT ALL. YEAH. THE THIS, SO HERE, IT'S LIKE A FAKE CEDAR SHAKE LOOK. OKAY. BUT IT'S ACTUALLY JUST VINYL SIDING. OKAY. AND IT'S VERY WORN. SO WE'RE GONNA REPLACE IT ALL. OKAY. MOST LIKELY. I, I DON'T REMEMBER THE TYPE OF SIDING MORE SMOOTH. IT'S, IT'S AN OVERLY IT'S, IT'S IT'S CLASSIC SEVENTIES OVER ARTICULATED VINYL SHAKE LOOK. SO LIKE, UM, UM, MAIN STREET CERTAINTY TO MORE SMOOTH SHAKE, A LITTLE DRESSIER. OKAY. LESS FAKE LOOKING JUST TO, BECAUSE THE WAY THAT THIS PART OF THE HOUSE SITS, IT HAS TO BE SPECIAL SIDING. IT'S, IT'S A MANED ROOF. SO WHATEVER VINYL SIDING WE PUT THERE HAS TO BE RATED FOR A SLOPED INSTALLATION. AND I'M PLANNING TO HAVE THE SIDING HERE MATCH THE SIDING HERE. OKAY. IN TERMS OF LIKE CURB OF YELLOW. YEAH. BUT IT WON'T BE SLOPED. THAT'LL BE STRAIGHT. CORRECT. PLEASE. REMEMBERING THAT IT'S SET BACK SLIGHTLY SET BACK. YEAH. RIGHT. I THINK THAT YOU TRY TO MATCH THAT, BUT , IT'S NEVER GONNA MATCH PERFECTLY. AND, AND IT WOULD BE DIFFERENT PROP. IT WOULD BE SORT OF A MONO, IT WOULD BE A VERY LONG MONO WALL. LIKE, I, I THINK THAT'S THE TRUE, IT WOULD BREAK IT UP, MAKES IT LOOK BRIGHTER BETTER. IT JUST BREAKS A LITTLE. IT, IT'S NOT A BIG DIFFERENCE, BUT IT'S ENOUGH THAT IT, IT'LL GIVE IT A LITTLE BREAK. MM-HMM . DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS? UM, I, I THINK THAT, YOU KNOW, CLEARLY THE HOUSES IN THIS LOCATION, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE, THERE'S NOT PLACE TO PUT AN ADDITION WITHOUT NEEDING A VARIANCE. UM, THE ONLY OTHER THING THAT I WANTED TO KNOW ABOUT WAS ABOUT THE SHEDS. UM, THERE ARE TWO SHEDS ON THE PROPERTY. ONE OF THEM IS RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE. AND I DON'T, DO YOU, DID YOU GET THEY WERE PREEXISTING. WE DIDN'T HAVE, WE, LIKE, WE DIDN'T PUT THEM IN. SO I DIDN'T THINK THAT THE SECOND FLOOR ADDITION WOULD NEED US TO ALSO REMOVE A SHED. I, I, I THINK IT'S REALLY JUST, UM, THERE ARE TWO SHEDS. YOU'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO SHEDS ON THIS SIZE PROPERTY. SO IF YOU'RE OKAY WITH IT, THEN YOU CAN GET THE, YOU CAN APPROVE IT. UM, I DO THINK, YOU KNOW, IT'S PROBABLY BEEN THERE FOR A WHILE, BUT PERHAPS WE SHOULD MOVE THE ONE SHED INTO A MORE CONFORMING LOCATION. THAT'S THE ONE ON THE WEST SIDE. UM, ON THE SIDE. I GUESS THAT'S THE, THE SIDE CLOSEST TO FAIRVIEW ROAD. NOT, NOT ON HITCHMAN. WE NEED TO LOOK AT THE SURVEY. YEAH. UM, SO IS THAT, IS THAT ON, IS THAT ON A FOUNDATION OF ANY SORT? SO THAT'S KIND OF ATTACHED. IT'S, IT'S SORT OF A, A, A BREEZEWAY WALKTHROUGH BETWEEN THE TWO SHEDS TO THE BACK. SO THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT CAN JUST BE PICKED UP AND MOVED. I DON'T HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT TO SHOW. I ONLY TOOK PICTURES OF THE PART OF THE HOUSE THAT WAS, UM, I'M REMEMBERING. RIGHT. SO YES, YOU ARE CORRECT. TWO. AND IT'S A BREEZEWAY WALKTHROUGH. THAT'S CORRECT. MICHELLE, ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE SURVEY? DO YOU SEE 'EM ON THE SURVEY OR DO YOU NOT? SO YEAH, I SEE CHICKEN PEOPLE IN THE SURVEY. YEAH. SO THIS PARTICULAR SHED, OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT HERE. THESE TWO SHED, I THOUGHT YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT THIS ONE. I THINK, OH NO, THIS ONE IS NOT A SHED. [01:25:01] THIS IS LIKE A THING MY HUSBAND BUILT THAT JUST STORES LIKE WOOD. WELL, WHAT IS IT? OH, IT'S A WOOD SHED. SO IT'S JUST, YEAH, IT'S A WOOD SHED. I'M SO SORRY. IT'S A WOOD SHED. IT'S NOT LIKE A REAL STRUCTURE. SO IT'S GOT LIKE A LEAN TOO KIND OF ROOF IS WHAT YOU'RE SAYING? YEAH. YEAH. IT'S LIKE, AND SO THAT COULD, HONESTLY, THAT'S A WEEKEND PROJECT. I, I DON'T WANNA SPEAK TOO. SO THEY HAVE, THEY HAVE, YOU HAVE A LOT OF SHEDS. I, YOU KNOW WHAT, I ONLY PICKED UP TWO AND YOU HAVE FOUR . YEAH. TECHNICALLY. I MEAN, THESE ARE REALLY SHEDS. THIS IS LIKE STUFF MY HUSBAND BUILT AND WHAT'S THIS, THAT'S A TINY PLASTIC CONTAINER THAT CONTAINS THE POOL STUFF. OKAY. IT'S LIKE A SMALL THING. I COULD ALSO MOVE THAT. AND THE CHICKEN COOP. WE CAN MOVE THAT ALL AND THE CHICKEN COOP. RIGHT. WE GOT A LOT OF, WE GOT A LOT OF ACCESSORIES HERE. WE DO. I DON'T KNOW THAT THAT'S LIKE, I I THOUGHT TODAY WAS JUST ABOUT BUILDING ABOVE MONEY. YEAH, I, THE PROBLEM IS THAT I, I DON'T KNOW IF THEY WERE PERMANENT OR NOT, AND I JUST ASSUMED. OH, SURE. YEAH. I MEAN, IF YOU NEED US, US TO GET RID OF OTHER STUFF TO BUILD ABOVE OUR PLAYROOM, I CERTAINLY WOULD BE OKAY WITH THAT. WE JUST LIKE TO GET EVERYBODY SORT OF ORGANIZED WHILE THEY'RE HERE. OKAY. THAT'S ALL. OKAY. SO WHAT DO WE NEED TO, SHE, I MEAN, THEY'VE GOT TWO, THEY ACTUALLY, I MISSED A SHED. FOUR SHED. ONE IS STILL EQUIPMENT, ONE IS A WOOD SHED, AND TWO ARE OTHER SHEDS THAT ARE NOW CONNECTED BY A BREEZEWAY. YEAH. SO THIS IS ALL CONNECTED AND THE HOUSE. SO THAT'S PART OF THE PRINCIPLE STRUCTURE. SO THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE FROM THE SETBACK PERIOD. END OF STORY. BECAUSE IT'S AT ZERO PRACTICALLY, OR NO, I'M SORRY, IT'S AT 0.5. FIVE FEET 0.5. SO THAT NEEDS A VARIANCE FOR, IS IT A RABBIT HUTCH THAT'S RIGHT NEXT TO THAT. NEED A VARIANCE. I MEAN, IF THEY'RE ALL TYPES OF THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE THEY NEED, THAT'S NOT A VARIANCE. I DON'T, I I JUST, I'M SORRY. MAY I CLARIFY SOMETHING QUICKLY? I DIDN'T, I JUST, MY UNDERSTANDING OF TODAY'S MEETING WAS IN TERMS OF A VARIANCE JUST TO BUILD ABOVE MY FAMILY ROOM. I DIDN'T REALIZE WE'RE CURRENTLY THERE IN MY ENTIRE HERE, LET, LET ME HELP CLARIFY FOR YOU. SURE. WHILE YOU'RE HERE, WE WANT TO MAKE SURE WE CAN APPROVE AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE FOR YOU SO THAT IF YOU IN THE FUTURE, YOU HAVE NO MORE ISSUES OR CHALLENGES, IF IT WAS NOT PERMITTED OR IF IT NEEDS TO GET MOVED, OR, UH, ANOTHER VARIANCE THAT SAYS, OKAY, THAT'S OKAY TO BE AT 0.5 FEET. THAT'S FOR THE BOARD TO VOTE ON. AT THAT POINT, YOU'RE HERE, YOU DON'T WANT TO GO THROUGH THE PROCESS AGAIN. IT COULD, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? IT'S, AND IT STAYS WITH YOUR PROPERTY. SHE LIKE TO MAKE YOU WHOLE . RIGHT. BECAUSE WHAT WE DON'T WANT IS FOR YOU TO COME BACK OR YOU TO GET A CITATION AND HAVE TO COME BACK HERE IN SIX MONTHS WITH ANOTHER APPLICATION BECAUSE THEN WE HAVE TO DO THIS ALL OVER AGAIN. YOU'RE, UH, UH, MISSING YOUR KIDS AGAIN, WE'RE ALL SITTING HERE. WE DON'T WANNA DO THIS MULTIPLE TIMES. WE'RE GONNA BE EFFICIENT. YES. SO IT'S FOR YOUR BENEFIT. MM-HMM . I PROMISE. . UH, OKAY. SO SHE GOT A LOT OF SHEDS. SHE'S GOT A LOT OF SHEDS, SETBACK, PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE OR FOR EXCESSIVE STRUCTURE? WELL, UM, SINCE THEY'RE REPORTING THAT THEY'RE ALL ATTACHED, THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE. AND SO THEN THEY NEED THE PRINCIPAL STRUCTURE, SETBACKS, NOT THE 30 FEET. MM-HMM . 25 FEET CLOSE. 30 FEET, YEAH. 25 FEET POSITION. AND THEY BOTH ARE ATTACHED. THERE'S A WALKTHROUGH. THERE'S A BREEZEWAY. I WAS TOLD THAT. WELL, IF THERE ARE TALLS, THE ROOF, THE, THERE'S A ROOF IS ATTACHED. THE ROOF COMES FROM TECHNIC ATTACHED THEN. ALL RIGHT. YEAH. I GET, ALL RIGHT. SO YOU'VE GOT THIS CHICKEN COUP. MM-HMM . YOU'VE GOT HOW MANY SHEDS? FOUR. I GUESS FOUR. ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU'RE I WOULD, I PER, I MEAN, I GUESS DOES THAT INCLUDE, DOES THAT ALSO INCLUDE THE POOL STORAGE AREA? YES. SO YOU HAVE FOUR PLUS THE CHICKEN COOP PLUS THIS, SOME RABBIT SOMETHING THERE. MY HUSBAND BUILT A RABBIT HU FOR A RABBIT THAT WE THAT'S WHAT GOT A RABBIT. THAT'S OKAY. CLEAR. OKAY. I UNDERSTAND. DOES THAT COUNT AS, AS SHED? IT'S A PIECE OF WOOD ON THE GROUND WOOD. LIKE WHAT ELSE IS IT? RIGHT. , WHAT IS IT? YEAH. RIGHT. I MEAN, I ALSO HAVE A DRESSING ROOM TOO. AND THE SIZE OF THE PROPERTY, IT IS A LOT. AGAIN, WE'RE OVER AN ACRE. IT, IT'S ABOUT A HALF ACRE. IT'S LESS THAN A HALF AN AC. IT'S 4 7, 5 1 4 8. SO A LITTLE LESS THAN A HALF, HALF ACRE THAT'S ALLOWED ON THAT PROPERTY. SO THAT'S GOING FROM, WE DO FROM ONE ALLOWED TO FOUR. YEAH. I DID INSTRUCTIONS. I I I WASN'T EXPECTING THIS TO BE A CONVERSATION ABOUT EVERYTHING. SORRY. THEY ARE. YEAH. MM-HMM . THE CHICKENS. WE DO STORAGE AND OBVIOUSLY A CHICKEN COOP FALLS INTO THE SAME REQUIREMENT AS A SHED OR NO. SO THE WAY THE CODE IS WRITTEN, THERE'S, THERE'S A, A PARAGRAPH THAT BASICALLY SAYS THAT THERE'S LIKE A GARAGE IS DIFFERENT, IS ACCEPTED AND POOLS ARE ACCEPTED OUT. AND [01:30:01] THERE'S A WHOLE PARAGRAPH ABOUT SMALLER STRUCTURES LIKE POOL PAVILIONS AND SHEDS OR GAZEBOS, THINGS LIKE THAT. SO THEY'RE SORT OF LIMITED BY SQUARE FOOTAGE AND BY NUMBER. SO ON THIS PROPERTY YOU COULD HAVE 200 SQUARE FEET. SO THAT'S WHAT YOU CAN HAVE. AND YOU COULD ONLY HAVE ONE ONE 'CAUSE IT'S LESS THAN A FEET. BECAUSE IT'S LESS THAN. YEAH. SO IT'S REALLY, BUT THAT INCLUDES CHICKEN COOPS, RABBITS AND OTHER THINGS. NO, YOU SAID THERE'S EXCLUDE, THE COOPS ARE ACTUALLY REGULATED BY THE TOWNSHIP CODE. THEY'RE IN A SEPARATE PORTION OF THE CODE. AND THEY'RE NOT NECESSARILY A STRUCTURE. I I DON'T VIEW THEM THE SAME. DO YOU VIEW THEM THE SAME? NO. SO, UM, I'M, I'M TALKING TO ANN ABOUT AS A ZONING OFFICER. SO THE SHEDS, GAZEBOS, POOL, PAVILIONS ARE SORT OF IN THEIR OWN JAR AS IT WERE. LIKE THEIR, THEIR OWN STRUCTURE. AND THEN GARAGES AND POOLS ARE SEPARATE FROM THAT. SO CHICKEN COOPS AND RABBIT HUTCHES WOULD BE IN THE ROOM SEPARATE LITTLE, YES. I MEAN, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE IN AN AGRICULTURAL COUNTY AND FOUR HH IS PRETTY ACTIVE AND YEAH, IT'S A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES. THE SHED THAT'S ON THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY LINE. WHAT KIND OF FOUNDATION DOES THAT HAVE? IS THAT SOMETHING THAT YOU SAID COULD NOT BE MOVED, RIGHT? OR IS THAT A DIFFERENT BECAUSE IT'S ATTACHED VIA ROOF OVER? UM, NO, WE'RE TALKING ONE BACKSIDE OF CHICKEN TOO. OH, YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE TINY THING WAY IN THE BACK. I'M SO SORRY. THAT'S THE WOOD STORAGE. I STILL PICTURE THIS. THAT'S WOOD STORAGE. OR THAT COULD BE WHATEVER. THAT COULD BE MOVED. YEAH. I'D BE HAPPY IF THAT WAS NOT BEHIND, BEHIND THE POOL. THIS LITTLE ONE HERE? YEP. THE PROPERTY LINE. MM-HMM . THAT'S WOOD STORAGE. TWO SIGNS. YEAH. MY HUSBAND JUST FILLED THE THING. EXCEPT PUT WOOD IN, BUT IT'S RIGHT ON THE PROPERTY LINE I GUESS. SO YOU HAVE TO GET ON THE FENCE. IT'S ON THE FENCE. IT'S ON THE FENCE. IT'S A LONGER FENCE. OKAY. ANYBODY HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS WITH THE SHEDS? SO ELIMINATING THE WOOD STORAGE SHED OF MOVING THE WOOD STORAGE SHED TO A CONFORMING LOCATION. WHAT WOULD BE A CONFORMING LOCATION? I MEAN, FIVE FEET OFF. FIVE. FIVE FEET. FIVE FEET OFF THE TOP. OH, OKAY. SO THAT IS VERY DOABLE. YEAH. OKAY. ESPECIALLY SINCE ADAM'S NOT HERE. RIGHT. . YEAH. HE WOULDN'T HEAR, HE MIGHT BE WATCHING FROM HOME. BE, I MEAN THAT IS HOW THEIRS AND DOES EVERYTHING, SO. OKAY. SO THAT CAN, THAT ONE CAN BE RIGHT. SO THIS ONE CANNOT BE MOVED. THE, THE ONE WITH THE OVERHANG CAN'T BE MOVED. SURE. 'CAUSE THAT WOULD BE, IT WOULD JUST NOT LOOK RIGHT IF YOU LOOK AT THE FRONT PICTURE. SO THOSE ARE THE, THOSE ARE THE ONLY THREE THAT WE'RE CONCERNED WITH MICHELLE, AS YOU'RE THINKING? OR IS THERE A FOURTH ONE? I MISSED THE TWO IN THE FRONT WITH THE OVERHANG. YEAH. I MEAN, I THINK THE, THE, THE TWO IN THE FRONT WITH THE OVERHANG ARE, ARE LEGITIMATE SHEDS. THE, THE POOL EQUIPMENT GENERALLY. UM, I ALSO VIEW AS AN EXCEPTION TO IT'S AS LONG AS IT DOESN'T GO OVER IMPERVIOUS. RIGHT. I'M SORRY, SAY THAT AGAIN. CHERYL. POOL EQUIPMENT. YOU'RE, YOU'RE NOT INCLUDING THAT IN THE NUMBER OF SHEDS. 'CAUSE WE HAVE POOL EQUIPMENT ALL THE TIME. NO, THAT'S ALL. IS THAT WHAT WE'RE REFERRING TO? DRESSING ROOM? YEAH. NO, THERE'S NO DRESSING. THERE'S ANOTHER SHED RIGHT OFF THE POOL. OH, I SEE IT RIGHT HERE. POOL. SO THAT'S, THAT'S A, THAT'S POOL EQUIPMENT. THAT'S THAT'S THE WOOD STORAGE. THAT'S YEP. HE'S GONNA MOVE. BUT YEAH. SO REALLY IT'S PIECE OF WOOD ON THE GROUND PROBABLY. IT'S JUST THE WOOD CRI, RIGHT? YEAH, THE WOOD. WHAT, WHAT THE WOOD SHED IS THAT'S ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE OR WOOD CRIB. IT SAYS ON THE BOTTOM OF THE PROPERTY. OH, WOOD CRIB. I DIDN'T EVEN SEE THAT. I'M SORRY. CLOSER TO THE NEIGHBOR. OH, WOOD CRIB. OH GOD. THAT'S ANOTHER ONE. WHAT IS THAT? I MEAN, IT'S JUST, BOY, THE SURVEY, WE HAD TWO DUCKS AND WE GAVE THEM AWAY AND IT'S A STRUCTURE THAT HOUSED THE DUCKS, BUT I WOULD ALSO BE VERY HAPPY IF THAT WAS GONE. SO YES, I COULD REMOVE, WE COULD REMOVE THAT. IT'S LITERALLY LIKE SOLVING MARITAL PROBLEMS WHILE WE'RE HERE. , I, OH LISTEN, I WANT A DUMPSTER AND I JUST WANNA TRASH SO MUCH STUFF. WE HAVE WAY TOO MUCH. I'M SORRY. BUT LIKE, ONE OF THE THINGS JUST, I'M SORRY. I'M GONNA GET UPSET. WE JUST HAVE A LOT GOING ON. UM, OKAY. ALRIGHT. WELL LET'S MAKE THIS AS SIMPLE AS POSSIBLE. LET'S, SO LET'S, OKAY, SO THE ONE SHED, WE'RE JUST GONNA MOVE OFF FIVE, FIVE FEET, WHATEVER IT HAS TO BE MM-HMM . AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE IS FINE. WHERE IT'S RIGHT. WE JUST NEED TO HAVE SOME VARIANCES TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. I THINK SO. ALL RIGHT. SHE DID MAKE A COMMENT ABOUT THE WOOD CRIB BEING MOVED AS WELL AS THE SHED BEING MOVED INTO A LOCATION. THERE'S TWO ITEMS IN THE BACK. UH, LET'S CALL IT THE SOUTHWEST CORNER. SOUTHWEST. SOUTHWEST CORNER. SOUTHEAST CORNER, YEAH. SOUTHWEST CORNER WITH THE SHED AND THE WOOD CRIB TO BE INTO A, THEY COULD BE MOVED INTO A, THE TRASH . THEY CAN BE MOVED INTO A YES. BETTER LOCATION THAT DOESN'T [01:35:01] REQUIRE A VARIANCE OR REMOVED, WHICHEVER YOU DECIDE. SURE. OKAY. AND THEN WHAT DO WE HAVE? AND FOR THE OTHER ONES, WE'RE GONNA NEED A VARIANCE FOR THE OTHER TWO SHEDS THAT ARE ATTACHED. THEY'RE ATTACHED TO THE HOUSE, SO WE'LL NEED A VARIANCE TO GET TO A 0.5 FOOT FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. YEP. WE'RE 30 FEET IS REQUIRED. WE'RE 30 FEET IS REQUIRED. OKAY. ANY ADDITIONAL VARIANCES THAT WE'RE SEEING WHILE SHE'S HERE? JUST TO CONFIRM THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES. FOUR. I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU CAN CONFIRM THAT CAMERA, MICHELLE. I MEAN, YOU GOT A DRESSING REAR. SO, SO THERE WERE A NUMBER OF PRE-EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITIONS. THE LOT IS SLIGHTLY SMALL, SMALLER. IT'S 20,700 VERSUS 25,000 REQUIRED. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU REQUIRE A VARIANCE FOR THAT. NO. UM, THE REAR YARD SETBACK, UM, WAS LISTED AS NEEDING A VARIANCE, AND THAT'S THE HARDSHIP OF A CORNER LOT. THE FRONT IS TOWARDS, UH, FAIRVIEW AND THE HOUSE IS SET TOWARDS THE BACK, AND THAT'S THE BACKYARD. AND THAT WE ONLY HAVE, UM, THE 17 FEET THERE. SO WOULD YOU LIKE ME TO CLARIFY MADAM CHAIR? YES, PLEASE. JUST THE AUXILIARY STRUCTURE. . SO, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE SITE NEXT TO NEAR HINCHMAN ROAD AND THE CONCRETE DRIVEWAY, THERE ARE TWO SHEDS THAT ARE CONNECTED BY A ROOF THAT WILL NEED A VARIANCE 4.5 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. UM, WE'RE ACCEPTING THE POOL EQUIPMENT BECAUSE IT IS POOL EQUIPMENT. UM, AND WE'RE ASKING THAT, UH, THE WOOD CRIB THAT IS IN THE SOUTHEAST CORNER BE REMOVED SOUTHWEST, SO THAT'S NORTH, SOUTH, NORTH, SOUTH, OKAY. YOU MAY BE RIGHT. I DIDN'T LOOK AT THAT. OKAY. I'M JUST LOOKING AT IT IN THAT. AND THEN THE, THE, THE SHED, UM, ON THE EAST SIDE, THE EASTERN SIDE, UM, CLOSE TO FAIRVIEW ROAD, BUT LIKE PAR PERPENDICULAR TO FAIRVIEW ROAD IS GOING TO GET RELOCATED TO BE FIVE FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE. OKAY. DOES THAT CLARIFY EVERYTHING FOR EVERYBODY? PERFECT. WHAT ABOUT THE DRESSING ROOM? MICHELLE, WHAT ABOUT THE DRESSING ROOM? DOES THAT NEED TO BE IN THIS AS WELL? OR IS THAT, I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS. . IT'S LIKE A, I MEAN, IF YOU WANT, DO YOU WANT ME TO DESCRIBE IT? SURE, PLEASE. SURE. YEAH. SO AGAIN, MY HUSBAND BUILT, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A SPACE WHERE WE CAN BE ENCLOSED TO CHANGE INTO A BATHING SUIT. AND IT MOSTLY HAD TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT I WOULD HAVE MY KIDS OUTSIDE TO SWIM AND THEN TO GET INSIDE. WE JUST WANTED TO REMOVE OUR CLOTHES WITHOUT, IS THERE A ROOF ON IT? NO, IT'S JUST A AFFORDABLE, IT'S LIKE AN OUTDOOR SHOWER, BUT WITHOUT WATER. IT'S NOT A SHED. IT'S AN OUTDOOR SHED. IT'S, IT'S NOT A SHED. IT'S A STRUCTURE, BUT IT IS NOT A SHED. IT, IT DOES IT MORE OF AN OPEN CLOSET. IT DOESN'T FOUNDATION PART OF A FENCE. A SMALL FENCE AREA. ? YES. WE'RE GOOD. THANK YOU. OKAY. UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC MOTION OF THE PUBLIC SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OKAY. IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK OF THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD. SEEING NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE. MOTION CLOSE. SECOND. A SECOND. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? A. A. OKAY. OKAY. I HAVE NO, NOTHING FURTHER TO ADD HERE. UM, ALL, NEITHER SOMEONE I MOVE FORWARD WITH A, UH, YEAH. MOTION. I'LL MAKE A MOTION WITH THE COMMENTS THAT WE'VE TALKED ABOUT WITH THE SHED AD VARIANCES THAT WE'VE GONE THROUGH TIME AND TIME AGAIN. MICHELLE HAS VERIFIED AGAIN AFTERWARDS. UM, I WOULD ASK FOR A MOTION FOR APPROVAL FOR THIS SECOND ROLL CALL, PLEASE. MR. ZORO? AYE. MR. GENTILLY? AYE. MR. OTEN? AYE. MR. HACKETT? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN RICKER AYE. AND MADAM CHAIRMAN, BOTH. AYE, THANK YOU. CONGRATULATIONS. OH, THANK YOU. HOPEFULLY HE'LL HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WITH THIS PROJECT OF BUILDING THE SECOND EDITION. HE'LL STOP BUILDING OTHER STRUCTURES. NO, I'M JUST KIDDING. , LISTEN, I'M TELLING YOU, HE'S A GREAT PERSON. ABSOLUTELY. ABSOLUTELY. HE'S A BUSY GUY. HE'S GONNA LOOK GREAT. YOU'LL BE FINE. AND LIKE I SAID, IT'S, IT'S, THEY'RE ALL APPROVED THE WAY THEY ARE NOW. SO YOU'VE GOT A THANK YOU. A LITTLE BIT OF WORK TO DO, SO CONGRATULATIONS. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. ALL RIGHT. OKAY. SORRY, PLEASE. ARE WE ALL ABLE TO LEAVE NOW? YES, PLEASE. UM, ADDITIONAL ACTION BY THE BOARD? NONE, RIGHT? CORRECT. OKAY. A MOTION TO ADJOURN, PLEASE. SO, SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.