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          [Township Council on December 16, 2025.]
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          I CALLED THE ORDER OF THE REGULAR MEETING FOR THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD TOWN COUNCIL FOR DECEMBER 16TH, 2025. 
          THIS MEETING IS CALLED PURSUANT TO THE PROVISIONS OF THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS LAW. 
          THIS MEETING OF DECEMBER 16TH, 2025 WAS INCLUDED IN A MEETING NOTICE SENT TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES AND THE CENTRAL RECORD ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2024, AND ADVERTISED AND SAID NEWSPAPERS ON DECEMBER 23RD, 2024 AND DECEMBER 26TH, 2024 RESPECTIVELY POSTED ON THE WEBSITE AND THE BULLETIN BOARD IN THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING ON DECEMBER 18TH, 2024 AND HAS REMAINED CONTINUOUSLY POSTED AS REQUIRED ON THE STATUTE. 
          IN ADDITION, A COPY OF THIS NOTICE IS AND HAS BEEN AVAILABLE TO THE PUBLIC AND IS ON FILE IN THE OFFICE OF THE MUNICIPAL CLERK. 
          PLEASE RISE FOR THE FLAG. 
          I PLEDGE TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH SUSTAINS ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. 
          GREAT PRESS ROLL PAUL, PLEASE. 
          MS. MILL HERE. 
          MS. SIMONS HERE. 
          MR. WATSON. 
          HERE. 
          DEPUTY MAYOR SIZ. 
          HERE, MAYOR REP, STOP HERE. 
          WELL WELCOME EVERYONE. 
          AND JUST TO KNOW, JUST SO THAT YOU KNOW, WE HAVE SEVERAL PRESENTATIONS TONIGHT. 
          VERY SPECIAL EVENING AS I'M SURE IS WHY YOU'RE, THE MAJORITY OF YOU ARE HERE. 
          AND SO WE'RE GONNA START OFF HONORING A LONG TIME FIREFIGHTER, MR. PAT DEVLIN. 
          I'M GONNA HAND THIS OFF TO OUR FORMER MAYOR AND CURRENT COUNCILMAN, MR. WATSON. 
          OKAY, THANKS. 
          LET'S GO DOWN. 
          ARE YOU HERE, MR. DEVLIN? I KNOW WE WENT OUT AN ORDER OF THREE, SO IT'S, IT'S QUITE THE HONOR TO BE ABLE TO DO THIS POPULATION FOR PAT. 
          UM, I REMEMBER HIM WHEN HE JOINED, LITERALLY PULLING IN THE DRIVEWAY AND HIS  PICKUP DRIVE. 
          UM, JOINED IN 1979. 
          I WAS 20 YEARS OLD, HAD BEEN A MEMBER FOR A FEW YEARS AND THEN SERVED FOR 20 MORE YEARS, UH, WITH HIM AND HONORED TO BE YOUR BATTALION CHIEF WHEN YOU WERE THE CHIEF. 
          SO IT WAS, UH, VERY, VERY MUCH AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH YOU AND YOU'VE BEEN DOING IT FOR 20 MORE YEARS SINCE I'VE BEEN GONE. 
          SO, UM, AND I THANK THE MAYOR FOR ALLOWING ME TO PRESENT THE PROCLAMATION TO YOU. 
          SO PROCLAMATION HONORING CHIEF PATRICK DEVLIN UPON HIS RETIREMENT, WHEREAS PATRICK DEVLIN JOINED THE FIRE SERVICE IN 1968 AS A FIREFIGHTER IN AUDUBON, NEW JERSEY, AND LATER SERVED IN BOTH MAPLE SHAPE, NEW JERSEY AND CINNAMINSON NEW JERSEY. 
          AND WHEREAS PATRICK PLIN UPON MOVING TO LAKE PINE NEIGHBORHOOD IN MEDFORD, JOINED THE LAKES VOLUNTEER FIRE COMPANY, SUBSEQUENTLY THE DEPARTMENT FIRE COMPANY AS A FIREFIGHTER IN 1979. 
          AND WHEREAS PAT HAS SERVED THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD FOR 46 YEARS AND A TOTAL OF 57 YEARS IN THE FIRE SERVICE. 
          AND WHEREAS PAT HAS SERVED AS PRESIDENT, TRUSTEE IS A LIFE MEMBER OF THE TAUNTON FIRE COMPANY AND WHEREAS PER PAT HAS SERVED AS FIRE CHIEF OF THE TAUNTON FIRE COMPANY FROM 1993 TO 2004 AND ALSO HAS THE RANKS OF FIRST ASSISTANT CHIEF, SECOND ASSISTANT CHIEF AND DEPUTY CHIEF. 
          WHEREAS PAT EXEMPLIFIED DEDICATION TO TRAINING AND SELF-IMPROVEMENT THROUGHOUT HIS FIRE SERVICE. 
          WE ARE COMPLETING COURSES ADMINISTRATIVE, BOTH LOCALLY BY NUMEROUS OUTSIDE ORGANIZATIONS INCLUDING FIREFIGHTER ONE PUMP OPERATIONS, FIRE TACTICS, HAZARDOUS MATERIALS, CONFINED SPACE, INCIDENT COMMAND SYSTEM, PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, INCIDENT SAFETY OFFICER, VEHICLE CERTIFICATION, DOMESTIC PREPAREDNESS AND LEADERSHIP. 
          AND WHEREAS PAT REPRESENTS MEDFORD TOWNSHIP THROUGH HIS ASSOCIATIONS AND MEMBERSHIP AS A LIFE MEMBER OF THE NEW JERSEY STATE FIREMAN'S ASSOCIATION, A MEMBER OF THE MEDFORD EXEMPT ASSOCIATION AND A MEMBER OF THE NEW JERSEY STATE FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION AND THE BURLINGTON COUNTY FIRE CHIEFS ASSOCIATION. 
          AND WHEREAS DURING HIS 57 YEARS OF DEDICATED PUBLIC SERVICE, PAT HAS EARNED A DE ADMIRATION AND RESPECT OF THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL MEMBERS, TOWNSHIP OFFICIALS, HIS FELLOW MEMBERS, PROFESSIONAL COLLEAGUES, FRIENDS, FAMILY AND RESIDENTS. 
          HE SO ADMIRABLY SERVED AND WHEREAS PAT HAS BEEN INSTRUMENTAL IN THE OPERATIONS OF OUR DEPARTMENT DEDICATING COUNTLESS HOURS TO TRAINING THE FUTURE APPARATUS DRIVERS AND 
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LEADERS OF THE DEPARTMENT AND CONTINUES TO BE HIS STATION'S NUMBER ONE RESPONDER. 
          AND WHEREAS PAT CONTINUES TO SHOW LEADERSHIP AND PRIDE IN HIS STATION AND APPARATUS BY REGULARLY COMPLETING VEHICLE INSPECTIONS AND STATION MAINTENANCE AND WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN THE PLANNING AND PURCHASE OF NUMEROUS DEPARTMENT APPARATUS. 
          AND WHEREAS THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL ON BEHALF OF ALL TOWNSHIP EMPLOYEES AND RESIDENCE WISHES TO EXPRESS THEIR GREAT APPRECIATION AND HEARTFELT GRATITUDE TO PAT FOR THE INTEGRITY, PROFESSIONALISM, ENTHUSIASM, AND RESOURCEFULNESS HE BROUGHT TO MEDFORD TOWNSHIP COUNCIL THROUGH HIS 57 YEARS OF SERVICE AND NOW THEREFORE BE RESOLVED THAT THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD RECOGNIZES PATRICK DEVLIN FOR ITS EXEMPLARY SERVICE TO THE RESIDENCE OF MEDFORD AND BURLINGTON COUNTY AND WISHES HIM ALL THE BEST IN HIS FUTURE ENDEAVORS. 
          PRESENTED DECEMBER 16TH BY THE MEDFORD COUNTY COUNCIL. 
          I PROMISE TO KEEP THIS SHORT, BUT GOOD EVENING MAYOR, DEPUTY MAYOR, MANAGER HOR NIEL, COUNCIL MEMBERS CHIEF DEVLIN AND GUESTS. 
          TONIGHT WE HAVE THE PRIVILEGE OF RECOGNIZING CHIEF PATRICK DEVLIN. 
          THE PROCLAMATION SPOKE OF CHIEF DEVLIN'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS CHIEF OF THE TAUNTON FIRE COMPANY AND 57 YEARS OF SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          WHAT I'M GOING TO SPEAK ABOUT IS PAT'S CHARACTER AND HIS DEDICATION TO THE FIRE COMPANY AND TO THE COMMUNITY HE HAS SERVED. 
          WHEN I JOINED THE TAUNTON FIRE COMPANY, PAT WAS CHIEF. 
          HE, ALONG WITH HIS COMMAND STAFF, MADE IT A GOAL TO ENSURE THAT NEW MEMBERS UNDERSTOOD THAT THEY WERE PART OF SOMETHING BIGGER THAN THEMSELVES. 
          THEY PRIORITIZED AND PROJECTED COMMITMENT TO THE COMPANY AND MOST IMPORTANT COMMITMENT AND SERVICE TO THE COMMUNITY. 
          THEY DID THIS BY TEACHING US THAT EVERY VEHICLE SHOULD BE PARADE READY. 
          IF YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, I WILL EXPLAIN IT. 
          IT MEANS THAT AT 2:00 AM YOU ARE STILL POLISHING CHROME WITH MOTHER'S POLISH TO MAKE SURE IT SHINES. 
          IT MEANS THAT WHEN THERE'S A RAIN OR SNOW, YOU MAKE SURE YOU RINSE THE TRUCK WHEN YOU RETURN TO THE STATION. 
          IT ALSO MEANS THAT EVERY PIECE OF EQUIPMENT ON THAT TRUCK IS NOT ONLY CLEAN, BUT READY FOR USE IN A READY STATE. 
          PAT ALSO PRIORITIZED EDUCATION AND THE CONCEPT OF NEVER STOP LEARNING. 
          HE MADE SURE THAT WE ALWAYS ATTENDED TRAINING TO ENSURE THAT WE WERE PREPARED FOR ANY SITUATION WE MAY FACE. 
          I STILL REMEMBER WHEN THE COURSE SELECTION BOOK CAME OUT, PAT WOULD MAKE SURE THAT WE SIGNED UP FOR AT LEAST ONE CLASS A SEMESTER, IF NOT MORE. 
          THIS BUILT THE FUTURE LEADERS OF OUR DEPARTMENT. 
          I'M STANDING HERE TODAY BECAUSE PAT WAS INSTRUMENTAL IN PREPARING ME FOR MY ROLE AS CHIEF. 
          IF YOU WANT TO KNOW WHAT DEDICATION LOOKS LIKE, PAT IS A SHINING EXAMPLE. 
          NO MATTER WHAT'S GOING ON, YOU COULD ALWAYS FIND PAT AT THE STATION CLEANING, DRIVING THE APPARATUS OR LEADING THE MEMBERS. 
          PAT TAUGHT THE MEMBERS HOW TO LEAD AND COMMAND WITH A QUIET AND CALM DEMEANOR AND CONFIDENCE. 
          PAT WAS THE TYPE OF LEADER WHO EARNED RESPECT, NOT DEMANDED IT. 
          HIS CALM TONE KEPT EVERYONE ELSE CALM, WHICH ENSURED A SMOOTH AND SAFE EMERGENCY RESPONSE. 
          FROM ANSWERING CALLS TO PARADE DETAILS TO SANTA RON'S, PAT WAS ALWAYS THERE. 
          I WOULD JOKE THAT PAT COULD CUT OFF HIS ARM AT HOME AND IF THAT PAGE WERE ALERTED, HE WOULD DRIVE TO THE FIREHOUSE TO STAY UP THE TRUCK. 
           PAT. 
          TONIGHT WE RECOGNIZE A TRUE HERO IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          ON BEHALF OF THE MAYOR, TOWNSHIP MANAGER COUNSEL AND THE MEMBERS OF THE DEPARTMENT, WE WISH TO CONGRATULATE CHIEF PATRICK DEVLIN ON AS MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS THAT HAVE SPANNED HIS 57 YEARS OF SERVICE WITH MEDFORD MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND ON HIS RETIREMENT, HIS LEGACY WILL BE REFLECTED WELL INTO THE FUTURE OF THIS DEPARTMENT. 
          TO CHIEF DEVLIN, WE SAY THANK YOU AND GOOD LUCK AS YOU TRANSITION INTO RETIREMENT. 
          BE PROUD OF YOUR ACCOMPLISHMENTS, HOLD YOUR HEAD HIGH AND TAKE SOME TIME IN YOUR FAVORITE PLACE TO RELAX, WHICH IS PROBABLY AT THE FIREHOUSE WITH A CUP OF COFFEE. 
          , BECAUSE OF YOUR SO MANY ACCOMPLISHMENTS, WE KNOW YOU'VE EARNED SEVERAL FIRE RELATED AWARDS ALREADY. 
          SO TONIGHT IT'S OUR HONOR TO PRESENT YOU WITH YOUR TURNOUT JACKET FRAMED. 
          I PROMISE WE'LL HELP YOU GET IT HUNG UP. 
          CONGRATULATIONS PAT AND BEST OF LUCK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          THIS WAS AN HONOR TO SERVE YOUR RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN AND I KNOW I'M GIVING IN GOOD HANDS AND IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. 
          THANK YOU, CHIEF. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'M CRAIG FRI, PRESIDENT OF UNION FIRE COMPANY, CHIEF RICHARD PLOW, UH, ON BEHALF I'VE KNOWN PAT. 
          I'M PUSHING 45 YEARS IN THE FIRE SERVICE RIGHT NOW. 
          RICHARD'S RIGHT BEHIND ME WITH A FEW MORE YEARS A CERTIFICATE OF APPRECIATION UNION FIRE COMPANY PRESENTS THIS AWARD OF APPRECIATION, CHIEF PATRICK DEVLIN, THE TOP FIRE COMPANY STATION 2 5 2 MEFFORD, THANK 
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YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT TO THE MEFFORD TOWNSHIP UNION FIRE COMPANY STATION 2 5 1 19 79 TO 2026. 
          ALONE TIME, A LOT OF SERVICE. 
          GREAT GUY. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU EVERYONE. 
          GOOD EVENING, EVERYONE. 
          UH, IT'S MY HONOR TO WELCOME FAMILY AND FRIENDS MEMBERS OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          IT'S A VERY SPECIAL OCCASION. 
          TONIGHT WE GATHER NOT ONLY THE WITNESS, THE SWEARING IN OF OUR OFFICERS, BUT ALSO CELEBRATE THE STRENGTH AND DEDICATION OF THE METRO TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          I'D FIRST LIKE TO EXTEND MY SINCERE THANKS TO MAYOR ERIC RESTOCK, TOWNSHIP COUNCIL TOWNSHIP MANAGER DANIEL HOR NIEL, CONTINUOUS SUPPORT OF OUR DEPARTMENT AND FOR MAKING TIME TO BE HERE WITH US THIS EVENING. 
          YOUR PARTNERSHIP IS INVALUABLE TO THE WORK WE DO. 
          BEFORE WE BEGIN, I'D LIKE TO TAKE A MOMENT AND RECOGNIZE THE MEN AND WOMEN OF THE METRO POLICE DEPARTMENT DAY AFTER DAY. 
          THEY SERVE WITH COURAGE, COMMITMENT, ENSURING THAT OUR RESIDENTS CAN LIVE IN A SAFE AND SECURE ENVIRONMENT. 
          I ALSO WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE OUR CIVILIAN STAFF, WHOSE HARD WORK BEHIND THE SCENES KEEPS OUR ORGANIZATION RUNNING SMOOTHLY. 
          THEY'RE A TREMENDOUS ASSET AND THEIR CONTRIBUTIONS ARE DEEPLY APPRECIATED. 
          TONIGHT IS A MILESTONE FOR SEVERAL OF OUR OFFICERS. 
          TWO OFFICERS ARE BEING SWORN INTO THEIR NEWLY PROMOTED POSITIONS AND FOUR, TAKING THE OATH AS POLICE OFFICERS WHILE THE FORMER SWEARING IN TAKES PLACE AT THE CLERK'S OFFICE, WE HAVE LONG UPHELD THE TRADITION OF CELEBRATING THESE MOMENTS PUBLICLY. 
          THIS ALLOWS FAMILIES, FRIENDS IN THE COMMUNITY TO SHARE IN THE PRIDE OF THESE ACCOMPLISHMENTS TO ALL THE OFFICERS BEING SWORN IN TONIGHT. 
          CONGRATULATIONS. 
          YOUR DEDICATION, PROFESSIONALISM AND SERVICE ARE WHAT MAKE THE DEPARTMENT STRONG. 
          WE ARE PROUD OF YOU. 
          WE LOOK FORWARD TO THE IMPACT YOU'LL CONTINUE TO MAKE IN YOUR NEW RULES. 
          I DO. 
          CHIEF WILLIAM DUNLEVY IS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND GRADUATED FROM LUBY HIGH SCHOOL IN 1991. 
          HE THEN WENT ON TO ATTEND COLLEGE AT WESTCHESTER UNIVERSITY AND GRADUATED IN 1995 WITH A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE. 
          CHIEF DUNLEVY JOINED THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT IN AUGUST, 1996 AND SERVED AS A PATROLMAN UNTIL JANUARY, 2001 WHEN HE WAS APPOINTED TO THE POSITION OF CORPORAL IN THE PATROL BUREAU. 
          CHIEF DUNLEVY SERVED THE PATROL BUREAU IN THE CAPACITY OF CORPORAL UNTIL SEPTEMBER, 2004 WHEN HE WAS PROMOTED TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT FROM SEPTEMBER, 2004 UNTIL AUGUST, 2015. 
          HE SERVED AS THE SERGEANT IN THE PATROL BUREAU, ADMINISTRATIVE BUREAU AND A CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE BUREAU. 
          THE MAJORITY OF HIS TIME, HE SERVED IN THE PATROL BUREAU AS A STREET SUPERVISOR. 
          CHIEF DUNLEAVY WAS PROMOTED TO THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT IN AUGUST, 2015 AND SERVED AS THE FIELD OPERATIONS BUREAU COMMANDER OVERSEEING DAY-TO-DAY OPERATIONS OF PATROL TRAFFIC AND CANINE. 
          IN JULY, 2021, HE WAS PROMOTED TO THE RANK OF CAPTAIN, THE DEPARTMENT'S EXECUTIVE OFFICER, OVERSEEING THE FIELD OPERATION AND CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BUREAUS AS WELL AS THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          IN OCTOBER OF 2025, HE WAS PROMOTED TO CHIEF OF POLICE. 
          DURING THE COURSE OF HIS CAREER, CHIEF DONOUGHY HAS PARTICIPATED IN SEVERAL SPECIALIZED UNITS. 
          HE WAS BOTH AN OPERATOR AND TEAM LEADER WITH THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM AND A MEMBER OF THE BURLINGTON COUNTY JOINT TACTICAL TEAM. 
          HE WAS AN OPERATOR, PLATOON LEADER AND TRAINING COORDINATOR FOR THE BURLINGTON COUNTY SOUTHERN REGIONAL SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM. 
          HE HE HELD INSTRUCTOR CERTIFICATIONS IN SIMUNITIONS HANDCUFFING, TRAFFIC RADAR, LESS LETHAL DEVICES, GAS AND CHEMI CHEMICAL MUNITIONS. 
          CHIEF DUNLEAVY SERVED AS A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER AND WAS THE UNIT SUPERVISOR FOR TWO DECADES. 
          CHIEF DUNLEAVY SERVED AS THE DEPARTMENT TRAINING OFFICER AND ACCREDITATION MANAGER SINCE 2009. 
          BEGINNING IN 2010, CHIEF DUNLEVY HAS SERVED AS A DEPART AS A DEPUTY COORDINATOR FOR MEDFORD TOWNSHIP OFFICE OF EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT. 
          CHIEF DUNLEVY AIDED IN THE DEVELOPED AND ORGANIZED IN DEVELOPMENT AND ORGANIZED THE RECRUITMENT COMMITTEE AND WELLNESS COMMITTEE AND IS A MEMBER OF EACH COMMITTEE. 
          CHIEF DUNLEAVY IS A CHARTER MEMBER OF THE DEPARTMENT, HONOR GUARD. 
          CHIEF DUNLEAVY IS JOINED TONIGHT BY HIS WIFE MELISSA OF 24 YEARS. 
          HIS MOTHER AND FATHER-IN-LAW, KAREN AND TOM MCMULLEN, HIS FOUR SISTERS SISTER-IN-LAW AND THEIR FAMILY. 
          WELL DONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
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RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND. 
          REPEAT I, WILLIAM DON. 
          I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE CONSTITUTION, THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE AND I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME. 
          TO THE SAME. 
          AND TO THE GOVERNOR'S ESTABLISH IN THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE AND IN THIS STATE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE. 
          SO HELP ME GOD. 
          SO HELP ME GOD. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTICE, THAT I'LL IMPARTIALLY ADJUST, PERFORM ALL OF THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE CHIEF, PERFORM ALL OF THE DUTIES ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY TO THE BEST OF MY, SORRY. 
          CAPTAIN JEFFREY. 
          MS. FAMILY PLEASE. 
          CAPTAIN JEFFREY SAM MALONES GREW UP IN MEDFORD, ATTENDED TAUNTON FORGE, MEDFORD MEMORIAL AND LPE HIGH SCHOOLS. 
          HE GRADUATED WITH HIS BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN INTERNATIONAL BUSINESS FROM YORK COLLEGE OF PENNSYLVANIA IN 2002. 
          AFTER GRADUATION, JEFF ATTENDED GLOUCESTER COUNTY POLICE ACADEMY. 
          HE GRADUATED IN DECEMBER OF 2002. 
          IN MARCH OF 2003, HE WAS HIRED AS A FULL-TIME POLICE OFFICER WITH THE METFORD TAN POLICE DEPARTMENT WHERE HE WAS ASSIGNED TO THE PATROL BUREAU. 
          IN 2006, JEFF WAS ASSIGNED AS A FIELD TRAINING OFFICER AS WELL AS A MEMBER OF THE HONOR GUARD UNIT. 
          IN 2009, HE WAS ASSIGNED TO THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATION BUREAU AS A DETECTIVE AND THEN THE SAME YEAR WAS SELECTED AS A MEMBER OF THE SPECIAL RESPONSE TEAM. 
          IN 2014, JEFF WAS APPOINTED AS A CORPORAL WHERE HE WAS ASSIGNED ASSISTED THE SERGEANT WITH DAILY PATROL ACTIVITIES. 
          IN 2021, JEFF WAS PERMITTED TO THE RANK OF SERGEANT WHERE HE LED THE SQUAD AND WAS A FIELD TRAINING UNIT SUPERVISOR AND ASSISTANT ACCREDITATION MANAGER. 
          IN FEBRUARY, 2022, JEFF WAS REASSIGNED AS A DETECTIVE SERGEANT SUPERVISING THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU AND IN NOVEMBER OF 2023, JEFF WAS PROMOTED TO THE RANK OF LIEUTENANT AND OVERSAW THE FIELD OPERATIONS BUREAU. 
          AND IN 2025 WAS MOVED TO OVERSEE THE CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIONS BUREAU. 
          ON OCTOBER 1ST, 2025, JEFF WAS PRO PROMOTED TO HIS CURRENT RANK OF CAPTAIN OVERSEEING THE DAILY OPERATIONS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT AND THE OFFICE OF PROFESSIONAL RESPONSIBILITY. 
          THROUGHOUT HIS CAREER, JEFF HAS BEEN A MEMBER OF THE COMMUNITY RELATIONS UNIT WHERE HE HELPED ORGANIZE VARIOUS COMMUNITY EVENTS. 
          JEFF HAS ALSO EARNED MANY AWARDS, INCLUDING TWO EXCEPTIONAL DUTY MEDALS. 
          TWO, HONORABLE SERVICE MEDALS, A CPR SAVE MEDAL TWO BURLINGTON COUNTY PROSECUTOR'S OFFICE UNIT, EXCELLENT AWARDS ALONG WITH THE BURLINGTON 200 CLUB AWARD. 
          HE'S ALSO A BLACK BELT AND INSTRUCTOR OF BRAZILIAN JUUJITSU WHERE HE INSTRUCTS MEMBERS OF THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          IN SELF-DEFENSE WITH CAPTAIN SAM MALONES ARE HIS PARENTS, JAMES AND NANCY, ALONG WITH HIS FIANCE LAUREN AND THEIR KIDS, CONNOR, ANTHONY AND CAITLYN I, JEFFREY SAMONE. 
          I JEFFREY SAMS DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME. 
          I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME AND ALSO TO THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND ALSO TO THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHED IN UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE. 
          AND IN THIS STATE. 
          UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE UNDER THE AUTHORITY. 
          YES, I DO. 
          FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR, YOU PROVE SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE CAPTAIN. 
          ALRIGHT, , I'LL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY JUSTICE, PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES. 
          PERFORM ALL DUTIES OF THE OFFICE. 
          THE OFFICE 
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ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          BEST BUDDY, OFFICER ALEX ALI. 
          MS. FAMILY. 
          ALEX IS FROM LUMBERTON, NEW JERSEY, WHERE ATTENDED LUMBERTON SCHOOL DISTRICT AND WENT TO RCOS VALLEY HIGH SCHOOL, GRADUATING IN 2017. 
          AFTER HIGH SCHOOL, ALEX ATTENDED ROME UNIVERSITY WHERE HE OBTAINED A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CRIMINAL JUSTICE. 
          DURING COLLEGE, HE PLAYED SOCCER ON LACROSSE. 
          ALEX ENJOYS GOING TO THE GYM AT JUJITSU ON HIS DAYS OFF AND WATCHING PHILADELPHIA SPORTS TEAMS BEFORE BECOMING A POLICE OFFICER. 
          ALEX RAN A NINJA WARRIOR GYM FOR TWO YEARS. 
          ALEX GREW UP IN THE LAW ENFORCEMENT COMMUNITY AND KNEW HE WANTED TO ALWAYS TO FOLLOW IN HIS FATHER'S FOOTSTEPS WHO RETIRED AS A LIEUTENANT FROM THE LUMBERTON TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          HE SAW THE GOOD HIS FATHER DID FOR THE COMMUNITY OF LUMBERTON AND STRIVES TO BECOME AN OFFICER THAT WOULD DO THE SAME FOR MEDFORD. 
          ALEX IS JOINED TONIGHT BY HIS MOTHER, MARY KATE AND HIS SISTERS ABBY AND SHELBY AND GRANDPARENTS PAT AND BILL, ALONG WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND EMMA. 
          I ALEX. 
          AYE. 
          ALEX, YOU SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          YOU SOLEMN. 
          SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THAT I WILL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE, THAT I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME. 
          TO THE SAME, AND TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES, TO THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE AND IN THIS STATE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE. 
          SO HELP ME GOD. 
          SO GOD, I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY, THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER, PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES OF POLICE OFFICER ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY, ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          SO OFFICER ALVIN MAREZ AND HIS FEET, OFFICER ALVIN MAREZ WAS BORN IN PERTH AMBOY, NEW JERSEY. 
          WHILE GROWING UP, ELVIN ENJOYED PLAYING SPORTS, VIDEO GAMES AND SPENDING TIME WITH HIS OLDER BROTHER AND SISTER. 
          ELVIN GRADUATED FROM WOODBURY HIGH SCHOOL IN 2022. 
          AFTER GRADUATING HIGH SCHOOL, ELVIN SPENT A LOT OF HIS TIME TRAINING IN A BOXING GYM. 
          HIS BOXING COACH RECOMMENDED ENLISTING WITH THE UNITED STATES ARMY AS A WEIGHTED AND STILL DISCIPLINE AND A BETTER LIFE FOR HIMSELF. 
          ELVIN ENLISTED IN THE UNITED STATES ARMY IN SEPTEMBER OF 2022 AND STILL SERVES AS A RESERVIST, AS AN INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SPECIALIST. 
          UPON COMING HOME, AFTER SPENDING OVER A YEAR AT FORT EISENHOWER IN GEORGIA FOR TRAINING WITH THE ARMY, ELVIN WORKED AS A FIELD TECHNICIAN FOR H AND R BLOCK, PART-TIME AND PART-TIME AT CAMDEN COUNTY CITY HALL AND CONTINUED TRAINING IN BOXING. 
          IN BOXING. 
          IN 2024, ELVIN WAS HIRED BY THE OCEAN CITY POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A SPECIAL LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, CLASS ONE IN 2024. 
          ELVIN WAS HIRED BY THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP POLICE DEPARTMENT AS A FULL-TIME PATROLMAN AND ATTENDED THE CAPE MAY COUNTY POLICE ACADEMY, GRADUATING IN JUNE OF 2025. 
          IN HIS FREE TIME, ELVIN ENJOYS SPENDING TIME WITH HIS GIRLFRIEND, DESTINY, EATING GOOD FOOD, AND SPENDING TIME WITH HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY. 
          TONIGHT HE IS AC ACCOMPANIED BY HIS GIRLFRIEND, DESTINY, HIS MOTHER, MARLENE AND HIS FRIENDS AND FAMILY. 
          I EL MARS. 
          I EL MARS. 
          DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND THAT I WILL TRUTH, FAITH, AND ALLEGIANCE, I WILL TRUTH AND ALLEGIANCE TO 
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THE SAME. 
          TO THE SAME, AND TO THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHING THE UNITED STATES AND TO THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE AND IN THIS STATE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE. 
          SO HELP ME GOD. 
          SO GOD, I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY I'LL IMPARTIALLY AND PERFORM ALL OF THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER, PERFORM ALL OF THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          BEST OF MY CONGRATULATIONS, OFFICER ALEX BENSTEAD AND HIS FAMILY. 
          AND ALEX IS A LIFELONG RESIDENT OF MEDFORD. 
          HE ATTENDED THE MEDFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT FROM CRANBERRY PINES THROUGH SHAWNEE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE HE GRADUATED IN 2019. 
          WHILE GROWING UP, ALEX WAS ACTIVE IN THE MYAA SPORTS SCENE PLAYING BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL. 
          ALEX BEGAN HIS WORKING CAREER AT MURPHY'S MARKET AND UP UNTIL BEING HIRED WITH THE MEDFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT, HE WORKED AT THE CHERRY HILL MALL AND LINCOLN FINANCIAL FIELD DOING SECURITY WHILE WORKING. 
          HE HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO WORK ON THE FIELD DURING THE EAGLE'S TWO MOST RECENT NFC CHAMPIONSHIP GAMES WHERE HE GOT TO CELEBRATE WITH THE FANS. 
          ALICE CONTINUED HIS EDUCATION AT ROWAN COLLEGE OF BURLINGTON COUNTY AND THEN TRANSFERRED TO ROWAN UNIVERSITY IN 2022, EVENTUALLY GRADUATING IN 2024 WITH A BACHELOR'S IN LAW AND JUSTICE AND A MINOR IN PSYCHOLOGY. 
          WHILE ROWAN, ALEX HAD THE PRIVILEGE OF COMPLETING AN INTERNSHIP WITH THE MEDFORD TOWN POLICE DEPARTMENT, WHICH CONFIRMED HIS BELIEF THAT THIS IS THE CAREER PATH HE WANTED TO PURSUE IN MEDFORD. 
          ALEX IS AN ADAM PHILADELPHIA SPORTS FAN, SUPPORTING THE PHILLIES, EAGLES, FLYERS SIXERS, EVEN WHEN THINGS AREN'T LOOKING GREAT. 
          . 
          IN HIS FREE TIME, ALEX ENJOYS GOLFING FISHING, WATCHING SPORTS, AND SPENDING TIME WITH FAMILY AND FRIENDS. 
          HE'S ACCOMPANIED TONIGHT BY HIS FATHER CHRIS, HIS MOTHER, JENNIFER, SISTER JORDAN, AND GIRLFRIEND HAILEY. 
          I ALEX REST. 
          I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES. 
          I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, AND I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME, AND THAT I'LL BEAR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME AND THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES, THE GOVERNMENT'S ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE AND IN MISSTATE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE. 
          SO HELP GOD SOLEMN GOD. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR. 
          I DO FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I WILL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY AND I'LL IMPARTIALLY AND JUSTLY PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER THAT I'LL PERFORM ALL THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICER OF POLICE OFFICER ACCORDING TO THE BEST OF MY ABILITY OR BEST OF MY ABILITY. 
          YES. 
          OFFICER JEFFREY SUSE AND HIS FAMILY. 
          JEFF WAS BORN AND RAISED IN NORTHEAST PHILLY, PHILADELPHIA IN THE MAYFAIR D COUNTY SECTION. 
          HE GRADUATED FROM FATHER JUDGE HIGH SCHOOL WHERE HE WON CATHOLIC LEAGUE HONORS IN BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL. 
          AFTER HIGH SCHOOL. 
          JEFF ATTENDED GWYNETH MERCY UNIVERSITY WHERE HE STUDIED CRIMINAL JUSTICE AND PLAYED BASKETBALL AND BASEBALL. 
          JEFF IS ONE OF TWO PEOPLE IN THE UNIVERSITY HISTORY TO WIN AN NCAA TITLE IN BOTH BASEBALL AND BASKETBALL IN THE SAME YEAR. 
          HE RECENTLY GOT MARRIED TO HIS COLLEGE GIRLFRIEND, KELSEY. 
          JEFF COMES FROM A LONG LINE OF PHILADELPHIA POLICE OFFICERS. 
          JEFF'S FATHER, JOHN, UNCLE 
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JASON, UNCLE PAT, UNCLE JOEY AND HIS LATE GRANDFATHER. 
          MICHAEL ALL SERVED AND STILL SERVE AS PHILADELPHIA POLICE OFFICERS. 
          IN JEFF'S PERSONAL TIME, HE LOVES HANGING OUT WITH HIS FAMILY AND PLAYING GOLF. 
          JEFF WOULD LIKE TO THANK HIS MOTHER, TRACY, HIS FATHER, JOHN BROTHER JACK AND KELSEY, FOR ALL THE SUPPORT THEY HAVE SHOWN JOINING HIM TONIGHT. 
          HIS FATHER JOHN, HIS MOTHER TRACY, HIS BROTHER JACK, HIS WIFE KELSEY, HIS MOTHER AND FATHER-IN-LAW, KATHY AND TIM DEVOY, AND THE HIS BROTHER-IN-LAW, COLE DEVO IUSE. 
          I DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR, DO SOLEMNLY SWEAR THAT I'LL SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES THAT I SUPPORT THE CONSTITUTION OF AND THE CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, CONSTITUTION OF THE STATE, STATE OF NEW JERSEY. 
          UH, THEIR TRUE FAITH AND ALLEGIANCE TO THE SAME I OBJECT, TRUE FAITH, ALLEGIANCE THE SAME AND THE GOVERNMENTS ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT, ESTABLISHED IN THE UNITED STATES AND IN THIS STATE, THIS STATE UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF THE PEOPLE, UNDER THE AUTHORITY OF PEOPLE. 
          SO HELP ME GOD. 
          I DO FURTHER, FURTHER SOLEMNLY SWEAR, I DO FURTHER. 
          SO SWEAR I'LL IMPARTIALLY AND, AND PERFORM ALL OF THE DUTIES OF THE OFFICE OF POLICE OFFICER, THE THE BEST OF. 
          AS WE CONCLUDE TONIGHT'S CEREMONY, LET US REMEMBER THAT EACH OATH TAKEN IS MORE THAN WORDS. 
          IT'S A PROMISE TO SERVE WITH INTEGRITY, RESPECT, AND FAIRNESS TO THE FAMILIES AND FRIENDS THIS EVENING, UH, THANK YOU FOR THE SACRIFICES YOU MAKE AND YOUR WAIVER AND SUPPORT YOU PROVIDE YOUR ENCOURAGEMENT. 
          STRENGTH IS OUR OFFICERS. 
          IT ALLOWS 'EM TO CARRY OUT THEIR DUTIES OF COURAGE. 
          CONGRATULATIONS ONCE AGAIN TO ALL THE OFFICERS SWORN IN TONIGHT. 
          AND AGAIN, I'D LIKE TO THANK DETACHMENT MANAGER ATTACHMENT COUNSEL FOR ALLOWING US THIS OPPORTUNITY. 
          I WISH EVERYONE A HAPPY HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          SO WE'LL TAKE A BREAK FOR A FEW MOMENTS. 
          IF YOU'D LIKE TO TAKE A FEW PHOTOGRAPHS, PLEASE DO, PLEASE KNOW THAT WE DO NEED TO CONTINUE THE MEETING AT SOME POINT AND WE'RE NOT ACTUALLY ABLE TO CLOSE THE DOORS BECAUSE IT IS AN OPEN PUBLIC MEETING. 
          SO, UH, IF IT CAN BE FAIRLY QUIET IN THE LOBBY WHILE YOU ENJOY YOURSELVES, THAT WOULD BE GREAT. 
          HAVE A WONDERFUL EVENING IF YOU CHOOSE NOT TO SAY SOMEBODY ELSE WOULD. 
          EVERYBODY ELSE DID I NOT HIM HERE. 
          I KNOW, THAT'S WHAT I SAID. 
          AND COME DISMISS. 
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ALL RIGHT EVERYONE, WE RECONVENE THE MEETING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE DO HAVE SOME COMMUNICATION OPPORTUNITIES. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMUNICATIONS? UH, I HAVE TWO. 
          UM, ONE, I JUST WANTED TO NOTE THAT ON TODAY'S AGENDA DID NOTE A PRESENTATION FOR OUTGOING COUNCIL MEMBERS. 
          UH, WE'VE CHOSEN TO POSTPONE THAT TILL THE JANUARY 20TH MEETING TO GIVE THEM, UH, THE PROPER ADO AND, AND NOT TAKE AWAY FROM THE, UM, EVENTS THAT JUST TRANSPIRED. 
          NUMBER TWO, I HAVE, UH, I WANT TO THANK RABBI KHAN FOR THE FANTASTIC JOB HE DID AND HIS, UH, TEAM DID ON THE HANUKKAH WALK. 
          FEELS LIKE, UH, WAS IT LAST NIGHT? YEAH, THEY'RE ALL RUNNING TOGETHER. 
          BUT, UM, UH, PHENOMENAL EVENING AND, UM, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALLOWING US TO BE PART OF THAT. 
          AND JUST TO THANK YOU FOR, TO THE MAIN STREET MERCHANTS FOR AN AWESOME, UH, DICKENS FESTIVAL. 
          IT WAS WELL ATTENDED, IT WAS AWESOME, THANK YOU. 
          AND THEN WE ALSO HAD A GIFT DRIVE THIS WEEKEND PUT ON BY THE, UH, POLICE FOUNDATION. 
          AND SO WELL DONE TO THEM AND TO THE POLICE FORCE FOR CARING FOR THE, UH, THOSE WHO ARE LESS FORTUNATE IN OUR COMMUNITY. 
          SO THANK YOU AND WELL DONE. 
          ANYONE ELSE? I HAVE A QUICK BRIEF STATEMENT. 
          UH, I'VE BEEN SERVING ON MEDFORD TOWNSHIP COUNCIL FOR THE PAST FOUR YEARS, AND IT'S TRULY BEEN AN HONOR. 
          I'M GRATEFUL FOR THE CHANCE TO HAVE WORKED ALONGSIDE MY FELLOW COUNCIL MEMBERS, OUR EXCEPTIONAL TOWNSHIP STAFF, AND THE MANY BOARDS AND COMMITTEES THAT KEEP MEDFORD MOVING FORWARD. 
          EACH GROUP PLAYS A VITAL ROLE, AND I'VE LEARNED SO MUCH FROM THE DEDICATION AND COLLABORATION OF EVERYONE INVOLVED TO THE RESIDENTS OF MEDFORD. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUST ENGAGEMENT AND YOUR PASSION FOR THIS COMMUNITY REPRESENTING YOU HAS BEEN A PRIVILEGE I'LL ALWAYS BE PROUD OF. 
          I ALSO WANT TO THANK MY FAMILY AND FRIENDS FOR THEIR CONTINUED SUPPORT. 
          WHILE MY TIME ON COUNCIL IS ENDING THIS EVENING, MY COMMITMENT TO MEDFORD ISN'T, I LOOK FORWARD TO CONTINUING TO SUPPORT OUR TOWN. 
          THANK YOU AGAIN FOR THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SERVE MY COMMUNITY. 
          I JUST BRIEFLY, UM, THIS IS MY LAST MEETING AFTER 14 YEARS OF SERVING ON COUNCIL, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO BE A COUNCILMAN AND SERVE MEDFORD, UM, YOU KNOW, AS MAYOR WITH AND A MAYOR FOR NINE YEARS WITH MANY DIFFERENT COUNCIL MEMBERS OVER THE 14 YEARS WITH SOME GREAT STAFF AND PROFESSIONALS THAT WE'VE WORKED TOGETHER. 
          AND I BELIEVE TOGETHER THROUGH ALL THOSE COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ALL THOSE PROFESSIONALS, WE'VE MADE MEDFORD A BETTER PLACE THAN WHEN WE STARTED. 
          UM, JUST, UH, YOU KNOW, I THANK THE RESIDENTS FOR GIVING ME THE OPPORTUNITY FOR 14 YEARS THROUGH FIVE ELECTIONS, I THINK THAT I HAD TO GO THROUGH TO FOR IT, UM, FOR PUTTING YOUR TRUST IN ME TO HELP RUN THIS TOWN. 
          UM, IT'S BEEN AN HONOR. 
          I'VE, I'VE, I'VE SPENT MOST OF MY LIFE SERVING MEDFORD IN ONE WAY OR THE OTHER. 
          I WAS A BOY SCOUT, WORKED MY WAY UP TO EAGLE SCOUT, AND WE DID NUMEROUS SERVICE PROJECTS IN MEDFORD. 
          THEN I BECAME A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN. 
          I WAS A VOLUNTEER FIREMAN FOR 24 YEARS IN MEDFORD. 
          THEN I MENTORED HIGH SCHOOL YOUTH FOR 13 YEARS IN MEDFORD, AND THEN 14 YEARS ON TOWN COUNCIL. 
          AND EVERY ONE OF THOSE THINGS I WAS ALL IN AND, AND, AND JUST WORKED WITH DEDICATION TO TRY TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND TRY TO HELP PEOPLE. 
          AND, UH, NOW AS THIS IS, AS I WAS REFLECTING ON THAT TODAY, THE PERSON THAT SUFFERED THE MOST FROM THAT WAS MY WIFE, THAT I PROBABLY WASN'T AS DEDICATED TO HER AS I NEEDED TO BE OVER ALL THOSE YEARS OF SERVING THE COMMUNITY. 
          SO NOW I'M GOING ALL IN ON MY FAMILY, MY WIFE, MY KIDS, MY GRANDKIDS, AND, UH, I NEED TO MAKE IT UP TO THEM. 
          SO THANK YOU ALL FOR, YOU KNOW, THE SUPPORT OVER THE YEARS. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, AND, AND FOR ME, IT'S HARD TO BELIEVE THIS IS MY FINAL MEETING AFTER EIGHT YEARS, AND I DECIDED NOT TO RUN AGAIN 16 MONTHS AGO. 
          AND THAT, UH, THIS NIGHT THEN SEEMED LIKE AN ETERNITY. 
          AND SO, WITHOUT QUESTION, SERVING AS A COUNCILMAN AND A MAYOR AND A DEPUTY MAYOR OVER ALL OF THESE YEARS HAS BEEN UNDOUBTEDLY ONE OF THE GREATEST PRIVILEGES OF MY LIFETIME, BECAUSE 
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THIS TRULY IS A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY. 
          SO WHEN I STARTED THIS JOURNEY, I HAD A SENIOR IN HIGH SCHOOL, A SOPHOMORE IN HIGH SCHOOL, AN EIGHTH GRADER AND A SIXTH GRADER. 
          AND NOW I HAVE A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, SON-IN-LAW, AND A GRANDSON. 
          SO IT'S BEEN A LONG TIME AND THERE ARE A FEW PEOPLE THAT I WOULD LIKE TO THANK. 
          FIRST AND FOREMOST, I WANNA THANK THE LORD JESUS CHRIST FOR THE STRENGTH TO ENDURE THESE YEARS WITH JOY. 
          UH, MY WIFE, LINDA, SORRY, UH, WHO'S HERE, WHO'S BEEN AN INCREDIBLE AND PATIENT PARTNER AND, AND CERTAINLY MY FAMILY COULD NOT HAVE MADE IT THROUGH THIS WITHOUT YOU AND WITHOUT THEM, UH, TO DANIEL OL AND TO THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP STAFF THAT SERVES WITH EXCELLENCE ON A REGULAR BASIS ARE WORKING HARD TO CARE SO WELL FOR THE TOWN THAT WE ALL LOVE. 
          TO OUR TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS, SCOTT AND MICHELLE TAYLOR, CHRIS NOEL, TIM PRIME, YOU WORK WITH INTEGRITY AND EXCELLENCE. 
          IT'S MY RECOMMENDATION THAT, THAT YOU GET APPOINTED AGAIN NEXT YEAR, THAT WE RETAIN YOU, UH, TO CHIEF DOY AND CHIEF DON LEVY, UH, AND TO YOUR RESPECTIVE STAFFS AND VOLUNTEERS, YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR PROTECTION IN THE TOWN IS EXCELLENT. 
          AND THEN LASTLY TO MY FELLOW COUNSEL, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT AT ALL AN EASY JOB, AND WE'VE CERTAINLY BEEN THROUGH A LOT TOGETHER, MS. SIMONS. 
          YOU HAVE INVESTED TIRELESSLY IN YOUR VARIOUS ROLES FOR SO MANY YEARS. 
          UH, MR. WATSON, THANK YOU FOR YOUR LEADERSHIP AND YOUR WISDOM AS COUNCILMAN AND MAYOR FOR, FOR NEARLY A DECADE AND A HALF. 
          UH, IT'S BEEN, UH, BOTH OF YOU HAVE MADE THIS PATH SO MUCH, SO MUCH EASIER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND TO MS. MILK AND MR. CIZIK, UH, I BELIEVE YOU'LL DO AN AMAZING JOB AS YOU CARRY ON THIS LEGACY. 
          AND AS WE CONTINUE TO, UH, WORK THROUGH THIS PLANNED ROTATION OF MAYOR AND DEPUTY MAYOR. 
          AND I'M HONORED TO HAVE SERVED WITH EACH OF YOU AND THEN LASTLY TO OUR RESIDENTS, YOU ARE THE REAL REASON THAT OUR TOWN IS SO FANTASTIC. 
          AND SO WE THANK YOU AND YOU'VE MADE THIS A WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE, WORK, SHOP, AND PLAY. 
          AND WE THANK YOU FOR BEING SUCH GOOD NEIGHBORS. 
          AND I WOULD LIKE TO SHARE A FINAL WORD WITH YOU. 
          THE LORD BLESS YOU AND KEEP YOU. 
          THE LORD, MAKE A FACE SHINE UPON YOU AND BE GRACIOUS TO YOU. 
          THE LORD TURN HIS FACE TOWARD YOU AND GIVE YOU PEACE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          AND I JUST WANNA SAY THANK YOU TO DONNA, ERIC, AND CHUCK AS WELL FOR ALL YOUR SUPPORT AND GUIDANCE. 
          IT'S BEEN AN HONOR TO SERVE WITH YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ALL RIGHT, MOVING ON TO SCHEDULING. 
          WE HAVE OUR NEXT SCHEDULED MEETING. 
          WE HAVE A JANUARY 6TH, 2025 REORGANIZATION MEETING, AND A REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING AT THE PUBLIC SAFETY BUILDING HERE AT 6:30 PM AND THEN REGARDING THE APPROVAL OF MINUTES, WE HAVE NOVEMBER 20TH, 2025. 
          COUNCIL MEETING, MINUTES AND NOVEMBER 20TH, 25 EXECUTIVE SESSION MINUTES. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE MINUTES? ALRIGHT, MAY I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE MINUTES? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? A OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE MINUTES ARE ACCEPTED. 
          WE HAVE NO ITEMS LISTED FOR THIS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE HAVE ONE ITEM LISTED FOR DISCUSSION THIS EVENING REGARDING AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UPDATES. 
          MR. PRIME, WOULD YOU PLEASE MAYOR AND COUNCIL, THANK YOU FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. 
          UM, SINCE THIS IS OUR LAST MEETING OF THE YEAR, I, BEFORE PROVIDING MY, UH, ACTUAL UPDATE ON THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN, I WANT TO PUBLICLY SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ON SOME MISREPRESENTATIONS THAT HAVE BEEN SPREAD ABOUT ME CONCERNING LITIGATION WITH THE TOWNSHIP. 
          ABOUT 40 YEARS AGO, UH, IN 1988, STEVE BRICK, A LOCAL REAL ESTATE BROKER, AND I ENTERED INTO A DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNERS OF PROPERTY IN MEDFORD, THE STOKE FARM, WHICH WAS ABOUT 160 ACRES AT THE TIME AND 20 ACRES IN SOUTH HAMPTON TOWNSHIP. 
          THE SAME YEAR WE ENTERED INTO A SIMILAR DEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNERS OF THE FIELDSTONE PROPERTY, WHICH IS THE PROPERTY CATTYCORNER FROM STOKE OAKLAND. 
          IT'S ABOUT 70 ACRES. 
          THE OWNER WAS AN INVESTOR FROM PHILADELPHIA WHO RETAINED US, UH, TO, UH, HANDLE THEIR PROPERTY. 
          I WAS IN PRIVATE PRACTICE AT THE TIME, UH, YEARS AFTER I WAS APPOINTED AS A SOLICITOR, AND 20 YEARS BEFORE I WAS REAPPOINTED AS THE SOLICITOR FOR THE TOWN. 
          BASED ON THOSE AGREEMENTS, WE APPLIED AND OBTAINED SUBDIVISION APPROVALS FOR BOTH STOKELY AND FIELDSTONE. 
          WE OBTAINED APPROVAL FOR 44 LOTS ON STOKELY, 17 LOTS ON FIELDSTONE. 
          THESE APPROVALS WERE BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING. 
          AT THE TIME THERE WAS NO LITIGATION. 
          IT WAS BASED ON THE EXISTING ZONING FOR THE 44 AND THE 17 LOTS. 
          WE ALSO OBTAINED SUBDIVISION APPROVAL FOR THE PROPERTY IN SOUTH ANTON TOWNSHIP. 
          THAT WAS ULTIMATELY SOLD, SOLD TO A BUILDER. 
          WE WORKED ON THESE SUBDIVISION APPROVALS FOR ABOUT THREE YEARS THROUGHOUT THE 1990S, MR. BRICK, THE BROKER ATTEMPTED TO MARKET THE STOKE AND LOTS AND THE FIELDSTONE LOTS FOR SALE, BUT THEY WERE UNABLE TO OBTAIN BUYERS AT PRICES THAT WERE ACCEPTABLE TO THE OWNERS. 
          THIS IS ALL IN THE OWNER'S NAME, EXCUSE ME. 
          AFTER FIVE YEARS OF WORK, I REQUESTED THE TOWNSHIP TO REDUCE, UH, 
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THE DENSITY ON THE PROJECT TO ONE LOT FOR EVERY TWO ACRES. 
          INSTEAD OF ONE LOT FOR EVERY FOUR ACRES, UH, THAT REQUESTED REZONING WAS DENIED BY THE TOWNSHIP. 
          IN THE SAME YEAR, THE TOWNSHIP APPLIED FOR APPROVAL OF ITS HOUSING PLAN. 
          THIS WAS DONE BY TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY AT THE TIME, NOT ME, OBVIOUSLY, AND THE TOWN REPRESENTED THAT THERE WAS NO SEWER AVAILABLE AND THAT THE WAS NO LAND AVAILABLE FOR PUBLIC FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, BOTH OF WHICH WERE NOT TRUE, UH, AT THE OWNER'S. 
          UH, WITH THE OWNER'S CONSENT, I FILED LITIGATION AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP FOR A BUILDER'S REMEDY SUIT, INDICATING THAT THE STOKELY AND THE FIELDSTONE FARMS WERE AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AND IN FACT, WERE THERE WAS TO AVAILABLE THROUGH ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY. 
          THE LITIGATION WAS FILED IN THE NAME OF MEDFORD, AFFORDABLE HOUSING INC. 
          WHICH WAS A CORPORATION THAT I FORMED BECAUSE THE OWNERS DID NOT WANT THEIR NAMES IN THE LITIGATION. 
          THE LITIGATION CONTINUED UNTIL 1998. 
          AGAIN, WE'RE TALKING ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO. 
          UH, WE ENTERED INTO AN AGREEMENT WITH MEDFORD FOR THE SALE OF THE PROPERTIES TO THE TOWNSHIP. 
          THE AGREEMENT WAS CONTINGENT ON THE TOWNSHIP OBTAINING, UH, COUNTY FUNDS TO, FOR FARMLAND PRESERVATION AND FOR THE COUNTY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE PURCHASE OF THE PROPERTIES ON JANUARY 9TH, 1999. 
          27 YEARS AGO, THE TOWNSHIP PURCHASED BOTH PROPERTIES. 
          THEY WERE DEED RESTRICTED FOR FARMLAND PRESERVATION, WHICH IS HOW THEY REMAIN TODAY. 
          THEY ARE FARMLAND PRESERVED PROPERTIES. 
          THE MONEY PAID BY THE TOWNSHIP WAS $6.25 MILLION. 
          THAT MONEY WAS PAID MOSTLY TO THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY. 
          I RECEIVED A FEE FOR MY LEGAL WORK. 
          EIGHT YEARS OF WORK. 
          MR. BROOKE RECEIVED A COMMISSION. 
          THE BEST OF THE MONEY WENT TO THE OWNERS. 
          IT IS RIDICULOUS AND UNTRUE THAT I RECEIVED $6.25 MILLION FOR THAT PROJECT. 
          IT'S JUST NOT TRUE. 
          SINCE OUR FIRM AND I WAS APPOINTED AS TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY IN 2016 AND HAVE BEEN REAPPOINTED THROUGH THE RFP PROCESS EACH YEAR, I HAVE NOT ENGAGED IN ANY PRIVATE REAL ESTATE INVESTMENTS OR DEVELOPMENT, NONE IN 10 YEARS. 
          I BELIEVE FIRMLY THAT MEDFORD HAS BENEFITED FROM MY YEARS OF EXPERIENCE IN REAL ESTATE DEVELOPMENT AND IN PARTICULAR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I'VE SUCCESSFULLY REPRESENTED THIS TOWNSHIP THROUGH THE THIRD ROUND AND SO FAR THROUGH THE FOURTH ROUND, OUR FIRM REPRESENTED MOUNT LAUREL TOWNSHIP IN THE THIRD ROUND, SUCCESSFULLY GETTING APPROVAL FOR THEIR PLAN AND ALSO MANSFIELD TOWNSHIP IN NORTHERN BURLINGTON COUNTY FOR BOTH THE THIRD AND FOURTH ROUNDS. 
          I'VE TURNED DOWN TWO OTHER OFFERS THIS YEAR TO SERVE AS SPECIAL MUNICIPAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING ATTORNEY TO OTHER MUNICIPALITIES BECAUSE I SIMPLY DON'T HAVE THE TIME, I WANT TO DEVOTE THAT TO MEDFORD. 
          THE STOKE AND FIELDSTONE TRANSACTIONS, WHICH OCCURRED 30 TO ALMOST 40 YEARS AGO, HAVE ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH MY REPRESENTATION OF THE TOWNSHIP. 
          I REPRESENTED THE TOWNSHIP FAITHFULLY WITHOUT CONFLICT AND WITHOUT ANY PROBLEMS. THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WANT TO TURN NOW TO TWO RESOLUTIONS ON THE CONSENT AGENDA FOR TONIGHT'S MEETING. 
          THE FIRST RESOLUTION ENDORSES THE TOWNSHIP'S AMENDED 2025 HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN TO REMOVE THE LAFFERTY PROPERTY FROM THE TOWNSHIP PLAN AND ADD THE PARK VIEW AT KAGE MILL PROPERTY. 
          THE RELU, EXCUSE ME, THE RESOLUTION ALSO REFERS THE AMENDED PLAN TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR ADOPTION AT THE DECEMBER 18 PLANNING BOARD MEETING. 
          THE SECOND RESOLUTION AMENDS THE PREVIOUS RESOLUTION THAT THE DIRECTED THE PLANNING BOARD TO CONDUCT REDEVELOPMENT INVESTIGATIONS OF THE THREE PROPERTIES IN THE FOURTH ROUND. 
          AGAIN, REMOVING THE LAFFERTY PROPERTY AND SUBSTITUTING THE PARK VIEW AT KIRBY'S MILL PROPERTY. 
          THE STATE FAIR HOUSING ACT REQUIRES ANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE TO BE AVAILABLE. 
          SUITABLE DEVELOPABLE AND APPROVABLE AS DEFINED IN THE FHA REGULATIONS. 
          THE TOWNSHIP HOUSING PLAN ORIGINALLY HAD THE LAFFERTY PROPERTY AS A DESIGNATED FOURTH ROUND AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE BECAUSE OF LITIGATION BETWEEN THE OWNER AND THE PROPOSED DEVELOPER. 
          AFTER MONTHS OF MY REQUEST, THE OWNER AND DEVELOPER WERE UNABLE TO PROVIDE THE REQUIRED CERTIFICATIONS THAT HAD TO BE FILED WITH THE COURT TO SATISFY THAT THE, UH, FAIR SHARE HOUSING CENTER AND THE COURT, THAT THE LAFFY SITE WAS AN ACCEPTABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE. 
          THEREFORE, THE LAFFY SITE HAD TO BE REPLACED WITH A QUOTE AVAILABLE SUITABLE DEVELOPABLE AND APPROVABLE SITE. 
          THE PARK VIEW AT KIRBY MILL SITE QUALIFIED AND HAS BEEN REVIEWED BY FAIR SHARE HOUSING AND THE COURT FOR APPROVAL IN THE TOWNSHIP'S AMENDED PLAN. 
          THE SITE IS EXACTLY THE SAME NUMBER OF UNITS, EXACTLY THE SAME LAYOUT AS WHAT WAS IN THE LAFFERTY PLAN. 
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I WANNA BRIEFLY REVIEW HOW WE GOT HERE TONIGHT. 
          BASED ON THE AMENDMENTS TO THE FAIR FAIR HOUSING ACT SIGNED BY THE GOVERNOR IN MARCH OF 2024, THE STATE DETERMINED THAT MEDFORD HAD A FOURTH ROUND OBLIGATION OF 171 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. 
          THE LAW REQUIRED THE TOWNSHIP TO ACCEPT THAT OBLIGATION. 
          BY JANUARY 31ST, 2025, THE TOWNSHIP COMPLIED. 
          THIS WAS AFTER INVESTIGATION BY THE TOWN, BY MY OFFICE, AND ALSO THE TOWNSHIP PLANNER ON THE, THE QUALIFICATIONS AND THE, THE, UH, STANDARDS FOR THOSE 171 UNITS. 
          WE WERE SATISFIED THAT BASED ON THE FOUR CRITERIA THAT THE STATE REQUIRED AND THE REGULATIONS, THE 171 UNIT, UH, REQUIREMENT WAS, WAS FAIR, WAS, WAS CORRECT. 
          IN ORDER TO OBTAIN IMMUNITY FROM BUILDERS REMEDY LITIGATION, THE LAW REQUIRED THE TOWNSHIP TO COMPLETE AND FILE ITS 25 20 25 HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN. 
          NO LATER THAN JUNE 30TH OF THIS YEAR, WE PASSED THE APPROPRIATE RESOLUTIONS. 
          THE PLAN WAS APPROVED AND THE TOWNSHIP COMPLIED WITH THE, UH, WITH THE TIME DEADLINE. 
          THE LAW THEN REQUIRED ANY OBJECTIONS TO A MUNICIPAL HOUSING PLAN TO BE FILED BY AUGUST 30TH, 2025. 
          AS A RESULT, EXCUSE ME, THE FAIR SHARE, UH, HOUSING CENTER OBJECTED TO THE PLAN BY LETTER DATED AUGUST 27TH, NOTING TO THE COURT THAT THE OBJECTIONS WERE REALLY NOT OBJECTIONS TO THE PLAN, BUT A REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION AS A RESULT OF THAT OBJECTION AND IS REQUIRED BY THE NEW JERSEY JUDICIARY ADMINISTRATIVE DIRECTIVE 1424. 
          THE 2025 PLAN WAS REFERRED TO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING ALTERNATE DISPUTE RESOLUTION PROGRAM. 
          THAT LAW AMENDED THE FAIR HOUSING ACT ABOLISHED COA AND CREATED THIS NEW PROCESS FOR MUNICIPALITIES TO COME INTO COMPLIANCE WITH THEIR AFFORDABLE HOUSING CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION. 
          PURSUANT TO DIRECTIVE 1424, THE FAIR SHARE OBJECTIONS HAD TO BE RESOLVED AND THE TOWNSHIP HAD TO AGREE TO REVISE THE 2025 PLAN BY THE FHA STATUTORY DEADLINE OF DECEMBER 31ST OF THIS YEAR. 
          THE PENALTY, IF THAT WAS NOT DONE, WOULD BE THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LOSE ITS IMMUNITY FROM BUILDER'S REMEDY LITIGATION. 
          WE PARTICIPATED IN SIX MEDIATION SESSIONS WITH JUDGE RONALD BOOKBINDER AND SPECIAL ADJUDICATOR, A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER APPOINTED BY THE COURT ON SEPTEMBER 18TH, SEPTEMBER 25, OCTOBER NINE, NOVEMBER 17, DECEMBER ONE AND DECEMBER THREE. 
          ALL OF THESE SESSIONS INVOLVED THE TOWNSHIP HAVING TO PROVE THAT THE SITE DESIGNATED WERE, WERE, UH, CORRECT AND, AND THAT THE TOWNSHIP WOULD COMPLY WITH ALL RELEVANT PROVISIONS OF THE REGULATIONS. 
          THE MEDIATION PROCESS RESULTED IN A MEDIATION AGREEMENT BEING EXECUTED BY THE TOWNSHIP AND FAIR SHARE HOUSING AND FILED WITH THE PROGRAM ON DECEMBER 8TH. 
          THE TOWNSHIP THEN FILED ITS AMENDED HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN WITH THE COURT ON DECEMBER 8TH. 
          WITH THE ADOPTION OF THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT, ENDORSING THE AMENDED PLAN AND THE APPROVAL BY THE PLANNING BOARD ON THURSDAY NIGHT, THE TOWNSHIP WILL HAVE COMPLIED WITH ALL REQUIRED DEADLINES SET FORTH BY THE STATE. 
          PLEASE REMEMBER THE PLAN IS JUST THAT IT'S A PLAN. 
          IT'S ALREADY ADOPTED. 
          THE RESOLUTION TONIGHT ONLY APPROVES THE AMENDMENT. 
          THE PLAN DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ANY CONSTRUCTION. 
          THE REMAINING STEPS REQUIRED BY THE STATE LAW AND THE FILE MEDIATION AGREEMENT REQUIRE THE TOWNSHIP TO COMPLETE THE REQUIRED REDEVELOPMENT STUDIES AND PLANS, ZONING ORDINANCES AND REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS FOR THE THREE FOURTH ROUND SITES BY MARCH 15TH, 2026. 
          I THINK I INDICATED THE LAST MEETING. 
          THESE ARE VERY TIGHT, TIGHT TIME DEADLINES. 
          EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN NEW JERSEY IS SUBJECT TO THEM, AND YOU HAVE TO COMPLY OR YOU LOSE YOUR IMMUNITY FROM BUILDER'S REMEDY LITIGATION. 
          ONCE THAT'S DONE, THE FOURTH ROUND SITES WILL HAVE TO THEN APPLY AND SEEK APPROVAL FROM THE MEDFORD PLANNING BOARD, THE COUNTY PLANNING BOARD, AND THE STATE FOR THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT APPROVALS FOR THE PROPERTY. 
          WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT DOES NOT AUTHORIZE ANYTHING. 
          IT'S A PLAN AND THE PLAN HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED AND IT HAS TO BE IMPLEMENTED THROUGH A VARIETY OF APPROVALS REQUIRED BY NOT ONLY OUR PLANNING BOARD, BUT THE COUNTY AND THE STATE. 
          THERE ARE A FEW MORE FACTS I THAT I WANT THE COUNCIL TO BE AWARE OF AS WE END THE YEAR. 
          TOMS RIVER. 
          THERE'S BEEN A LOT OF DISCUSSION ABOUT TOMS RIVER SETTLEMENT WITH THE FAIR SHARE HOUSING CENTER. 
          UM, I THINK AS YOU'RE ALL AWARE, WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IT BEFORE. 
          EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT HAS TO HAVE A 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY THAT IT WILL BE, IT WILL REMAIN AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT AFTER 30 YEARS. 
          THE UNIT CAN THEN BE CONVERTED TO A MARKET UNIT AND COULD BE SOLD OR RENTED TO ANYBODY. 
          BUT UNTIL THEN, IT HAS TO BE SOLD OR RENTED TO AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING QUALIFIED PERSON OR FAMILY. 
          THOMAS 
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RIVER HAD A NUMBER OF, UH, DEVELOPMENTS THAT THE 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTION WAS GETTING CLOSE TO EXPIRING. 
          THEY NEGOTIATED WITH THE OWNERS OF THOSE PROPERTIES COLLECTIVELY TO EXTEND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR ANOTHER 30 YEARS, FROM 30 TO 60 THAT QUALIFIED THEM AS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNIT, JUST LIKE BUILDING A NEW UNIT THAT HAS A 30 YEAR DEED RESTRICTION. 
          UM, I WAS AWARE THAT THIS WAS A AVAILABLE MECHANISM. 
          UM, MORRISTOWN TOWNSHIP DID IT FOR A COUPLE UNITS. 
          I THINK I LAST MONTH REFERRED YOU TO MORRISTOWN AND EASTHAM PLAN AND EXPLAINED ALL THAT. 
          UM, THE DIFFERENCE IS TOM RIVER PAID ALMOST $9 MILLION TO EXTEND THOSE DEED RESTRICTIONS BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY THE OWNERS HAD TO BE PAID TO ELIMINATE THE FACT THAT THEY MIGHT SOMEDAY HAVE A MARKET UNIT. 
          AS OF TODAY, MEDFORD HAS $249,000 IN ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. 
          I EXPLAINED LAST MONTH, I THINK AT GREAT LENGTH THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND IS FUNDED BY THE NONRESIDENTIAL AFFORDABLE HOUSING FEE. 
          THAT'S BASED ON EVERY COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT PAYS A TWO AND A HALF PERCENT FEE, A DEVELOPMENT FEE TO THE TOWNSHIP FOR USE IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. 
          AGAIN, AS WE'VE TALKED ABOUT NUMEROUS TIMES, MEDFORD DOES NOT HAVE AN ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF COMMERCIAL RATEABLES, VERY LITTLE TOM RIVER HAD 9 MILLION. 
          ANOTHER MUNICIPALITY WE REPRESENT HAS 8 MILLION IN THE TRUST FUND. 
          THEY'RE GONNA SATISFY THEIR FOURTH ROUND OBLIGATION BY BUILDING 120 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ON A SITE THAT A A A BUILDER IS, IS SELLING TO THE TOWNSHIP. 
          IF WE HAD $9 MILLION, IF TOWNSHIP OF METFORD HAD $8 MILLION, IF WE HAD APPROVED WAREHOUSES, IF WE HAD APPROVED DATA CENTERS, IF WE HAD APPROVED COMMERCIAL MALLS AND DEVELOPMENT, WE WOULD HAVE THE MONEY. 
          BUT THAT'S NOT THE POLICY DECISION THAT THIS COUNCIL AND REALLY MOST COUNCILS IN THE LAST 30 YEARS HAVE, HAVE, HAVE FOLLOWED. 
          WE HAD, WE DON'T GENERATE THOSE FUNDS. 
          THAT REQUIRES IN ORDER TO MEET THE CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION, THAT REQUIRES INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENTS TO SET ASIDE, UH, THE HOUSING TO BE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITH THE MARKET HOUSING. 
          IN THE LAST TWO ROUNDS, WE WERE SUCCESSFUL IN GETTING A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS THAT MEN, WHICH IS BEHIND THE BUILDING HERE AND THE VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA SITE ON HARTFORD ROAD, WE USED AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUNDS FOR THOSE. 
          UH, THE VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA FUND, UH, GOT $400,000 OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE TRUST FUND. 
          WE DON'T HAVE THAT OPTION NOW, I THINK I EXPLAINED TO YOU BEFORE WE NEGOTIATED, WE TRIED TO FIND A SITE FOR VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICA TO DO ANOTHER PROJECT. 
          THEY JUST COULDN'T COME TO AN AGREEMENT WITH THE OWNER ON THE PRICE AND WE DIDN'T HAVE THE FUNDS TO SUBSIDIZE IT. 
          YOU ALSO RECALL THAT I PROVIDED YOU INFORMATION ABOUT THE MONVILLE CASE THAT MONVILLE TOWNSHIP, MONTVALE TOWNSHIP AND 27 OTHER TOWNSHIPS FILED SUIT TO OVERTURN THE FREE HOUSING ACT, UM, UH, AMENDMENTS THAT REQUIRED THIS FOURTH ROUND. 
          UM, THAT LITIGATION, THEY'RE ACTUALLY, THE REASON FOR THE LITIGATION WAS THAT THE TOWN, THE STATE URBAN AID, UH, TOWNSHIPS, NEWARK, CAMDEN PATTERSON, UH, TRENTON, THEY HAVE NO AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBLIGATION BECAUSE THEY PRESUMABLY HAVE ALREADY HAD, THEY ALREADY HAVE ENOUGH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          BUT THE MONTVALE CASE SAID THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE AN OBLIGATION AS WELL, EITHER FINANCIAL OR COULD BUILD MORE HOUSING. 
          THE COURTS HAVE REJECTED THAT. 
          THE COURTS HAVE UPHELD THE AMENDMENTS TO FAIR HOUSING ACT EVERY TIME THEY'VE BEEN PRESENTED WITH THE CASE. 
          CHUCK WATSON SAID TO ME FIVE YEARS AGO, WHY DON'T WE JUST SAY NO, JUST FORGET IT. 
          WE'LL JUST CHALLENGE IT. 
          THE PROBLEM IS THAT CHALLENGES HAVE NOT BEEN SUCCESSFUL. 
          WE'RE NOT THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY TO HAVE THOUGHT OF THAT PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE THE LAST, BUT IT, IT, IT JUST LEGALLY IT DOES NOT WORK. 
          A FINAL POINT I WANNA MAKE IS THAT THE FISCAL IMPACTS OF MEDFORD PLAN HAS BEEN WILDLY OVER EXAGGERATED. 
          I KNEW THAT WOULD GIVE A A A RISE. 
          AND HERE'S THE BASIS FOR THAT. 
          THERE IS A 30% LIMITATION IN THE REGULATIONS ON HOW MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS CAN BE AGE RESTRICTED. 
          YOU CAN ONLY HAVE 30%. 
          OUR CURRENT PLAN HAS THOSE 30%. 
          WE HAVE, UH, UH, 30% OF OUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WILL BE AGE RESTRICTED SENIOR UNITS. 
          THERE IS NO SIMILAR RESTRICTION ON THE MARKET UNITS. 
          SO WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE WITH THE 
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CHALLENGER PARCEL THAT ALL OF THE MARKET HOUSING WOULD BE EIGHT RESTRICTED SENIOR HOUSING. 
          SO THAT'S 139 SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES AND 113 TOWNHOUSES ALL WILL BE SENIORS. 
          THERE WILL BE NO SCHOOL IMPACT ON THOSE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          THAT MEANS THAT OF THE 649 MARKET HOMES IN THE THREE SITES, 38%, 232 ARE AGE RESTRICTED WITH NO IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. 
          IN ADDITION, YOU MUST BE AWARE OF THE, UM, FAMILY RENTAL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. 
          FAMILY RENTAL, AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE PROPERTIES THAT COULD BE RENTED ONLY TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING FAMILIES WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING FAMILIES WITH FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. 
          THE LAW, THE NEW LAW REQUIRES 25% OF YOUR AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS TO BE FAMILY RENTAL UNITS. 
          IN THE THIRD ROUND, WE HAD FAMILY RENTAL UNITS, BUT THE STATE GAVE YOU A BONUS CREDIT FOR THOSE. 
          SO WE HAD MORE THEN BECAUSE WE GOT CREDIT FOR THEM, WE GOT EXTRA UNITS CREDITED FOR THEM. 
          SO IN THE THIRD ROUND, WE HAD, UM, LET'S SEE, THERE WAS 90 FAMILY RENTAL UNITS IN, UH, AUTUMN PARK AND 48 UNITS IN THE INGRAM AND DEVELOPMENT IN TIMBER RIDGE. 
          SO THAT'S A HUNDRED AND 138 FAMILY RENTAL UNITS. 
          THEY'RE THE ONES THAT GENERATE THE SCHOOL KIDS BECAUSE OF THEIR FAMILY RENTAL UNITS WITH AT LEAST TWO KIDS AND THEY'RE AFFORDABLE UNITS IN THIS ROUND. 
          WE ONLY HAVE 42 FAMILY RENTALS. 
          SO 25%, ONLY 25% OF WHAT WE HAD IN THE THIRD ROUND. 
          SO THERE'LL BE LESS OF AN IMPACT FROM FAMILY RENTAL UNITS ON THE SCHOOLS THAN WHAT WE'VE EXPERIENCED IN THE THIRD ROUND. 
          THAT WAS ALL NEGOTIATED. 
          THAT WAS THE REASON WE, WE DID SOME OF WHAT WE DID WITH THESE, WITH THESE UNITS. 
          SO YOU'RE GONNA SAY TO ME, SO WHAT, WHAT HAPPENS IF WE JUST SAY NO, UM, THE PENALTY IS THAT WE LOSE, THE TOWNSHIP WILL LOSE ITS IMMUNITY FROM BUILDER'S REMEDY LITIGATION. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU'LL SAY, SO WHAT? THEY STILL HAVE TO BUILD 171 UNITS. 
          WHAT'S THE DIFFERENCE? WELL, THE DIFFERENCE IS THIS. 
          IF WE LOSE OUR IMMUNITY ON DECEMBER 31ST, IF YOU DON'T ADOPT THE RESOLUTIONS TONIGHT, I CAN ASSURE YOU THAT THERE WILL BE A BUILDER'S REMEDY SUIT FOUGHT AGAINST THE TOWNSHIP IN EARLY JANUARY. 
          THESE ARE LANDOWNERS WHO ARE NOT, I THINK I POINTED OUT AT THE LAST MEETING, THESE AREN'T FARMERS. 
          IT'S NOT BILL AND BETTY JOHNSON HAVING THE CORN FARM FOR 50 YEARS. 
          THESE ARE INVESTORS AND OWNERS WHO HAVE DONE DEALS WITH NATIONAL HOME BUILDERS TO BUILD THIS HO UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN MEDFORD. 
          THEY WILL FILE BUILDER REMEDY SUITS. 
          AND AGAIN, YOU SAY, WE SELL WHAT? FIRST OF ALL, WE LOSE THE BONUS CREDITS. 
          SO THAT MEANS YOU'RE LOOKING AT 855 TOTAL HOMES INSTEAD OF 785 70 MORE HOMES. 
          WE LOSE CONTROL OF THE SITE LAYOUT. 
          FOR EXAMPLE, THE SITE THAT WE'RE ADDING TONIGHT, THE THE PARK VIEW AT KAGE MILL SITE, WHILE WE WERE NEGOTIATING WHETHER OR NOT TO LET THEM COME INTO THE PLAN TO REPLACE THE LAFFERTY SITE, I REQUIRED A 300 FOOT A A BUFFER OF 250 TO 300 FEET FROM ANY ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          AND THAT BUCKLE HAS TO BE FULLY PLANTED. 
          LIKE THE BUFFER IS AT WINGATE ON HARTFORD ROAD, FULLY PLANTED WITH A FOUR FOOT BERM AND HIGH LANDSCAPING WHERE YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THE HOUSES INSIDE. 
          THAT IS A NEGOTIATION. 
          THAT'S BECAUSE WE ARE IN CONFORMANCE. 
          ONCE WE ARE OUT OF CONTROL, WE LOSE THE BUFFER. 
          THE BUILDER CAN BUILD WHAT HE WANTS. 
          HE DOESN'T HAVE TO HAVE THAT BUFFER AND THAT PROTECTION. 
          REMEMBER THAT THE FAIR HOUSING ACT REGULATIONS REQUIRE ANY, UH, HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENT HAS TO BE UNNECESSARY. 
          COSTS HAVE TO BE ELIMINATED. 
          YOU CAN'T REQUIRE ANY ADDITIONAL COSTS THAN WHAT IT TAKES TO BUILD THE HOMES UNLESS THE BUILDER AGREES. 
          THAT'S THE BENEFIT OF BEING IN COMPLIANCE. 
          YOU CAN NEGOTIATE. 
          THAT'S THE ONLY LEVERAGE THAT WE HAVE WHEN WE TRY TO DO THESE PLANS. 
          THE OTHER PROBLEM IS WE LOSE CONTROL OF THE ARCHITECTURE IN THE FOURTH ROUND SITES WITH TOWNHOUSES IN OUR, IN OUR PLAN, WE WERE ABLE TO NEGOTIATE THAT THE BUILDER WOULD DEVELOP ON THE TOWNHOUSE PORTION, HIGH END TOWNHOUSES, THEIR HIGHEST END TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT, NOT THE STANDARD TOWNHOUSE PRODUCT THAT THEY WOULD GET IN A TRACK HOME. 
          AGAIN, THAT WAS A NEGOTIATION ON THE ISSUE OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS SHOULD BE IN THE PLAN. 
          AGAIN, THAT'S ALL WE CAN DO. 
          I CAN'T FIGHT THE NUMBER, BUT I CAN FIGHT HOW THE, HOW THE DEVELOPMENT WILL LOOK, WHAT THE, UH, RAMIFICATIONS OF IT ARE TO THE TOWN. 
          AND ITS, AND ITS NEIGHBORING COMMUNITY. 
          AGAIN, IF WE LOSE IMMUNITY, WE LOSE THE RIGHT TO CONTROL WHAT THE UNITS WILL LOOK LIKE. 
          I THINK YOU'RE ALL FAMILIAR WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING DEVELOPMENTS ELSEWHERE THAT HAVE THREE STORY, FOUR STORY APARTMENTS WITH 
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REALLY NOT MUCH GINGER BED ARCHITECTURE. 
          NOT MUCH, NOT MUCH TO RECOMMEND THEM. 
          SO THESE ARE THE FACTS. 
          THIS IS THE REAL IMPACT AND RISK TO THE TOWNSHIP IF WE'RE NOT IN COMPLIANCE AND WE'RE NOT ALONE. 
          I THINK LAST MONTH I EXPLAINED TO YOU THE EAM UH, DEVELOPMENTS, THE SET ASIDES, THEY HAVE THE, UH, MORRISTOWN SET ASIDES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE, THEY'RE SIMILAR. 
          OURS, SIMILAR NUMBERS, SIMILAR SET ASIDES. 
          TOM RIVER STILL HAS TO BUILD 180 UNAFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THAT'S ALMOST A THOUSAND MARKET UNITS FAR MORE THAN WE'RE HAVING EVEN AFTER THEY EXTENDED THE DEVELOPMENT CREDIT. 
          UH, THE HEAT RESTRICTIONS, AGAIN, THE ONLY LEVERAGE THAT WE HAVE IS TO TRY TO CONTROL THIS DEVELOPMENT IN OUR TOWNSHIP. 
          I THINK EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM WOULD RATHER NOT HAVE THE ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT. 
          I HAVE CHILDREN HERE, I HAVE GRANDCHILDREN HERE. 
          I WAS RAISED HERE. 
          I CARE ABOUT THE TOWN. 
          THE LAW SAYS WE HAVE TO DO IT, BUT WE HAVE TO HAVE THE BEST PLAN AVAILABLE. 
          WE'VE WORKED VERY HARD ON THE PLAN AND GIVEN THE FINANCIAL CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE WITH THE, WITH THE TRUST FUND, I THINK WE HAVE THE BEST PLAN THAT WE CAN COME UP WITH. 
          I'M NOT DEFENSIVE ABOUT, IT'S NOT TIM PRIME'S PLAN, IT'S OUR PLAN. 
          WE JUST HAVE TO BE REALISTIC ABOUT IT. 
          I'LL BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS THE COUNCIL MAY HAVE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'VE ASKED QUESTIONS OVER LAST. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ANY COUNCIL MAYOR'S CALL? ANY COUNCIL QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? I JUST HAVE A COMMENT. 
          I, YOU KNOW, I'M, I'M GLAD WHEN THAT YOU TALKED TO ME. 
          I WAS SAYING NO FIVE YEARS AGO, , BECAUSE I'VE SEEN OTHER TOWNS THAT HAVE SAID IT AND THE RAMIFICATIONS OF THAT, WHERE THEY COME IN AND TAKE OVER YOUR PLANNING BOARD. 
          AND, UM, YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          YOU HAVE NO, YOU HAVE NO CONTROL OVER WHAT'S DEVELOPED WHEN YOU SAY NO. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR HARD WORK ON THIS. 
          I THINK YOU'VE, YOU'VE HELPED DEVELOP A REALLY GOOD PLAN, AND YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          NO ONE IN THIS ROOM WANTS ANY OF THOSE HOUSES BUILT, BUT WE HAVE TO MAKE THE BEST OUT OF A BAD SITUATION. 
          SO THANK YOU FOR YOUR HARD WORK. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY I, I UNDERSTAND ABOUT BUILDER'S REMEDY. 
          I I CLEARLY WOULD NOT WANNA SEE THAT HAPPEN. 
          UM, BUILDERS CAN COME IN, DO WHATEVER THEY WANT. 
          THERE WOULD BE NO ARCHITECTURALS. 
          UM, IT, IT WOULD BE THE WORST THING YOU COULD EVER SEE BECAUSE THEY MAY JUST PUT RED ROOFS ON THE HOUSES. 
          THERE WOULD BE NO CONTROL. 
          I WAS ON ZONING FOR NINE YEARS, SO I CLEARLY UNDERSTAND ARCHITECTURAL DRAWINGS AND WHAT NEEDS TO BE ACCOMPLISHED. 
          AND OF COURSE, BY GOING THE ROUTE, AS MUCH AS I DON'T WANT IT EITHER GOING THAT ROUTE, THERE'S CONTROL. 
          AND IT'S NOT ALL GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT EITHER. 
          IT'S GONNA TAKE A VERY LONG TIME BEFORE YOU EVEN SEE A SHOVEL IN THE GROUND. 
          THANK YOU. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, THIS IS A VERY HARD MEETING HERE. 
          UM, NO ONE WANTS TO BE HERE FOR THIS REASON. 
          WE DON'T WANT TO DO THIS. 
          WE, UM, UM, IT'S, THIS IS A VERY HARD THING TO DO TO ACCEPT THAT THE TOWN THAT WE LOVE IS GOING TO BE OVERDEVELOPED FOR, UM, FOR, WE NEED TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          BUT THE OVERDEVELOPMENT IS, IT'S GOING TO CONTINUE TO CRIPPLE OUR TOWN, THE ROADS, THE SCHOOLS, THE PUBLIC SERVICES. 
          THIS IS NOT SOMETHING WE WANT. 
          UM, I APPRECIATE TIM PRIME'S EFFORTS TO CONTROL HOW MUCH IS COMING, BUT THIS IS A LOSE LOSE SITUATION. 
          NO ONE HERE IS WINNING. 
          UM, WE'VE ALL BEEN PRESENTED THE OPTION HERE. 
          THIS IS OUR JOB TO VOTE YES OR NO. 
          UM, AND VOTING NO, WE'RE GIVING UP ALL CONTROL THAT WE COULD POSSIBLY HAVE IN TRYING TO MAKE THE BEST OF A BAD SITUATION. 
          UM, THIS IS MY FIRST TIME GOING THROUGH THIS. 
          UM, I'M VERY, I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THE PUBLIC COMMENT, BUT I JUST WANT YOU ALL TO KNOW THAT WE DO NOT WANT TO BE VOTING ON THIS AT ALL. 
          UM, AND, BUT WE KNOW THE RAMIFICATIONS OF VOTING NO. 
          AND, UH, I JUST HOPE THAT I, WE ALL LOOK AT ALL THE OPTIONS AND UNDERSTAND WHAT THE OUTCOME IS GOING TO MEAN FOR US. 
          THERE'S NO GOOD OUTCOME HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT. 
          THANK YOU MR. PRIME. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME. 
          CAN I ASK MR. PRIME ON THAT OFFICER? SURE. 
          WITH THE BUILDERS, WHETHER IT'S APPROVED OR, OR GOING INTO, UH, A DIFFERENT METHOD, DO THEY STILL HAVE TO CONFORM TO THE MASTER PLAN OF MEDFORD? WELL, THE MASTER PLAN 
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IS BEING AMENDED BECAUSE THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN. 
          SO IT ALLOWS IF, IF THE NEXT COUNCIL AND PLANNING BOARD THEN APPROVE THE ZONING CHANGES THAT ARE REQUIRED IN THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THEY'LL BE CONSISTENT WITH THE MASTER PLAN BECAUSE THE HOUSING ELEMENT IS AN AMENDMENT TO THE MASTER PLAN. 
          OKAY. 
          THAT'S BUT WITH BUILDER'S REMEDY, WOULD THAT SAME SITUATION STILL OCCUR? NO, THE BUILDERS, THAT'S WHAT I'M GETTING. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          THE BUILDER'S REMEDY, JUST SO WE'RE CLEAR, THE BUILDER'S REMEDY LITIGATION, AND I'VE HAD A LOT OF EXPERIENCE, AS I INDICATED ON BOTH SIDES OF IT. 
          THE BUILDER'S REMEDY LITIGATION IS THE BUILDER FILES A PLAN WITH THE COURT AND SAYS, APPROVE THE PLAN. 
          THE, THE COURT CAN SAY, WELL, IT HAS TO GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD, BUT YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY CHANGES OTHER THAN WHATEVER HEALTH, SAFETY AND WELFARE CHANGES ARE REQUIRED. 
          OR AS THE COURT DID IN THE SOUTH BRUNSWICK CASE, THE COURT APPOINTED ITS OWN PLANNING BOARD FOR SOUTH BRUNSWICK AND THEY APPROVED THE PLAN WITHOUT THE LOCAL PEOPLE, LOCAL PLANNING WOULD HAVE ANY APPROVAL AT ALL. 
          THAT'S THE DANGER. 
          IT'S, IT IS A, AND THE COURTS HAVE BEEN RIGOROUS ABOUT ENFORCING IT. 
          THEY, THEY, THEY ENFORCE IT. 
          AND EVEN MORE SO THIS FOURTH ROUND, BECAUSE IT PASSED WITH AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THE LEGISLATURE AND IT'S NO LONGER IN COA. 
          IT'S WITH THE COURT AND WITH THE FAIR SHARE HOUSING CENTER. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          ANYTHING ELSE? ANYONE ELSE? ALRIGHT. 
          SO WE WILL NOW OPEN THIS UP FOR PUBLIC COMMENT FOR OUR REGULAR MEETING. 
          AND SO, LISTEN, THERE'S A LOT OF US HERE TONIGHT AND I KNOW THAT THERE'S A LOT OF EMOTION AROUND THIS, AND SO WE CERTAINLY ASK FOR DECORUM TO BE REPRESENTED AND BE KIND TO EACH OTHER AND YOUR NEIGHBORS, RIGHT? IT'S THE HOLIDAY SEASON. 
          MAYBE IT'S YOUR GIFT TO YOUR NEIGHBOR TONIGHT. 
          AND KNOW THAT MANY VETERANS LOST THEIR LIVES TO ENSURE THAT WE HAVE FREE SPEECH AND MANY ARE FIGHTING FOR THOSE FREEDOMS NOW. 
          AND SO HONORING THEM IS AN HONORING EACH OTHER IS A WAY OF HONORING THEM. 
          AND PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT WE DO HAVE ON RECORD ORDINANCE 2020 DASH THREE, WHICH CALLS FOR ALL PARTICIPANTS TO ENGAGE IN PROPER CONDUCT AND TO AVOID DISTURBING THE PIECE OF THE MEETING. 
          AND SO PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS PORTION OF THE MEETING IS AN OPPORTUNITY FOR YOU TO COMMENT PUBLICLY, NOT A TIME OF PUBLIC DEBATE. 
          IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND AND YOU'LL BE CALLED TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          PLEASE CLEARLY STATE YOUR NAME, YOUR ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD. 
          AND AGAIN, PLEASE NOTE THAT CERTAINLY ON AN EVENING LIKE THIS EVENING, COMMENTS WILL BE LIMITED TO FIVE MINUTES PER SPEAKER. 
          AND SO, MR. PLE, CAN YOU TRACK THAT TIME FOR US PLEASE? AND YOU'LL RECEIVE A MINUTE. 
          YOU'LL RECEIVE A, A WARNING AT ABOUT ONE MINUTE AND ABOUT 30 SECONDS. 
          AND I BELIEVE THAT IS IT. 
          SO, UH, I'M NOT ACTUALLY THE GENTLEMAN BEHIND YOU, PLEASE. 
          I'M GONNA ASK SOMETHING. 
          OH, THAT'S OKAY. 
          NO, NO. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO ASK, SO STARTS ON THE ROBERTS. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO EXTEND THE TIME TO TALK TO THE SAME AMOUNT OF TIME YOU ALLOW OTHER PEOPLE OTHER THAN THIS SUBJECT TO BE EIGHT MINUTES. 
          AND I WOULD ALSO LIKE A MOTION A SECOND AND AN APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL ROBERTS. 
          THIS IS A VERY, VERY, VERY IMPORTANT SUBJECT AND I'M ASKING THAT I HAVE, YOU HAVE ALLOWED OTHER PEOPLE TO TALK ABOUT SUBJECTS THAT YOU WANTED TO TALK ABOUT TO THIS YOU LIVE AT OUR SPEECH. 
          I'LL BE REQUESTING A MOTION A SECOND THAT APPROVE, UH, MAY MAYOR, THE, THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES FIVE MINUTES PER PERSON. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, TO CHANGE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A CHANGE OF THE ORDINANCE, WHICH WE CAN'T DO TONIGHT. 
          SO THAT IS NOT TRUE. 
          THAT IS TRUE. 
          THIS IS NOT ROBERT'S RULES OF ORDER. 
          TAKE ADVICE FROM THAT'S THAT'S NOT, YOU WANNA CRANK IT UP OR YOU WANNA GIVE EVERYBODY EIGHT MINUTES THIS EVENING? WE'LL, WE WILL OBSERVE THE FIVE MINUTE ORDINANCE. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          THANK YOU. 
          GOOD EVENING, MAYOR ESTOCK, DEPUTY MAYOR CIZA. 
          I THINK YOU GUYS ALL KIND OF KNOW ME AT THIS POINT, BUT HELLO? HELLO. 
          HEAR ME? THEY HAVEN'T TURNED DOWN. 
          SORRY, I CAN'T DO THAT. 
          ANYWAY, MY NAME'S JASON KLEINMAN. 
          I'M A MEDICAL RESIDENT, WELL BEEN HERE ALMOST 11 YEARS NOW. 
          I'M HERE TONIGHT TO SPEAK IN OPPOSITION TO THE DIRECTION THE TOWNSHIP'S TAKING ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SPECIFICALLY THE DESIGNATION OF LARGE SWATHS OF LAND AS IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT AND THE PUSH FOR ADDITIONAL HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENT THAT RESIDENTS NEITHER WANT NOR NEED. 
          FIRST MEDFORD IS NOT FAILING ITS AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBLIGATIONS BASED ON PUBLICLY AVAILABLE INFORMATION. 
          AT LEAST 92 OF THE 205 AFFORDABLE UNITS ALREADY EXIST ARE DEEP RESTRICTED AND COMPLY WITH NJAC FIVE 80 DASH 26. 
          YET THEY WERE NOT PROPERLY CREDITED TOWARD OUR FAIR SHARE. 
          THAT ALONE RAISES A SERIOUS QUESTION. 
          WHY ARE WE RACING TO REZONE AND REDEVELOP HUNDREDS OF ACRES WHEN EXISTING OBLIGATIONS MAY ALREADY BE MET 
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BEFORE ANY ADDITIONAL LAND IS TARGETED? THE TOWNSHIP SHOULD BE FULLY ACCOUNTING FOR THE EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS AND NOT IGNORING THEM. 
          SECOND, DESIGNATING 145 ACRES ACROSS MULTIPLE BLOCKS, AS IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. 
          IT'S EXCESSIVE, UNNECESSARY AND DANGEROUS. 
          THIS DESIGNATION IS NOT A HARMLESS PLANNING TOOL. 
          IT OPENS THE DOOR TO THE EMINENT DOMAIN, OVERDEVELOPMENT AND LOSS OF LOCAL CONTROL, EVEN FOR PROPERTIES THAT ARE PRODUCTIVE, MAINTAINED, AND ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE. 
          THE AREAS BEING DISCUSSED, WILKIN STATION ROAD, RE STATION, ROAD LAND, THEIR MEDFORD, CHASE AND THEIR WINERY. 
          THEY'RE NOT BLIGHTED, THEY'RE OPEN RURAL AND AGRICULTURE AND CHARACTER DECLARING THEM DISTRESSED SIMPLY TO SATISFY A HOUSING STRATEGY VIOLATES THE SPIRIT OF REDEVELOPMENT LAW AND THE EXPECTATIONS OF ALL THE MEDFORD RESIDENTS. 
          THIRD, THIS APPROACH IS DIRECTLY CONTRARY TO WHAT RESIDENTS HAVE REPEATEDLY SAID THAT THEY WANT PEOPLE MOVE TO MEDFORD FOR LOW DENSITY. 
          IT'S OPEN SPACE, IT'S FARMLAND AND IT'S QUALITY OF LIFE. 
          LARGE SCALE, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS CLUSTERED IN THE SENSITIVE AREAS WILL INCREASE TRAFFIC ON ALREADY STRAINED ROADS, BIRTH, THE EMERGENCY SERVICES, THE INFRASTRUCTURE AND THE SCHOOLS, WHICH I'VE GOT TWO KIDS IN SCHOOLS RIGHT NOW. 
          THEY'RE ALREADY AT THEIR LIMITS. 
          THERE IS NO ROOM. 
          IT'S GONNA INCREASE THE TAXES FOR EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM AND IT'S GONNA PERMANENTLY ALTER THE RURAL CHARACTER OF THIS TOWN. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING SHOULD BE THOUGHTFUL, INCREMENTAL AND INTEGRATED, NOT IMPOSED THROUGH MASS REZONING. 
          FINALLY, THE PROCESS ITSELF LACK, LACKS TRANSPARENCY AND DUE DILIGENCE. 
          RESIDENTS ARE BEING ASKED TO ACCEPT MASSIVE CHANGES WITHOUT ANY CLEAR COST ANALYSIS, WITHOUT EXPLANATION OF WHY THE EXISTING CREDITS WERE IGNORED AND WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION FOR EXPANDING THE DE RESTRICTIONS OR THE DEVELOP REDEVELOPMENT AREAS. 
          MEDFORD DESERVES A CAUTIOUS, ACCURATE, RESIDENT DRIVEN APPROACH. 
          NOT ONE RUSHED BY FEAR OF LITIGATION OR INFLUENCED BY THE SAME PROFESSIONALS YEAR AFTER YEAR. 
          IT IS FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS, IT'S FOR ALL OF THOSE REASONS THAT I URGE THE COUNCIL TO A PAUSE THE ADDITIONAL REDEVELOPMENT DESIGNATIONS. 
          FULLY CREDIT THE EXISTING AFFORDABLE UNITS, RESPECT THE MASTER PLAN AND THE COMMUNITY CHARTER AND LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE WHO ACTUALLY LIVE HERE. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING MATTERS, BUT HOW WE DO IT MATTERS JUST AS MUCH. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO GET INTO A BACK AND FORTH HERE, BUT JUST SO YOU'RE CLEAR, UH, WE WENT THROUGH SIX MEDIATION SESSIONS AND TRIED TO GET CREDIT FOR DID YOU SPEAK UP SO WE CAN HEAR? WE CAN'T HEAR ABOUT YOU. 
          WE WENT THROUGH SIX MEDIATION SESSION. 
          SPEAK UP PLEASE. 
          BETTER. 
          NO, IT'S ON. 
          HELLO JUSTIN. 
          STAND UP. 
          IT'S NOT WORKING. 
          STAND UP. 
          STAND UP AND PROJECT. 
          WE WENT THROUGH SIX MEDIATION SESSIONS WITH FAIR SHARE COUNTED EVERY UNIT THAT WHICH WE WERE ENTITLED. 
          BELIEVE ME, THERE'S NO EXTRA UNIT THAT WE DIDN'T COUNT. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          WELL, IT IS TRUE. 
          FAIR SHARE HOUSING. 
          AGREED. 
          THE COURT MEDIATOR AGREED. 
          AND OUR PROFESSIONAL PLANNER AND I AGREED. 
          AS TO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          WE ARE NOT DESIGNATING ANY AREA FOR REDEVELOPMENT. 
          WE ARE REFERRING TO THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO AN INVESTIGATION TO DETERMINE IF THE THREE AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITES ARE ELIGIBLE FOR THE CRITERIA DESIGNATION. 
          THE REASON I PREFER REDEVELOPMENT TO A ZONING ORDINANCE BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO ONE OR THE OTHER. 
          THAT'S THE LAW. 
          THE REDEVELOPMENT PLAN GIVES YOU MORE OPTIONS AND FLEXIBILITY ON THE ARCHITECTURE AND THE SITE CONTROL THAT I WAS TALKING ABOUT. 
          WE DON'T HAVE TO DO REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, WE CAN JUST REZONE THE PROPERTY, BUT I PREFER TO DO THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS LIKE WE DID WITH THE THIRD ROUND, TRYING TO GET A BETTER PRODUCT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SORRY, ZACH WILSON. 
          51 NORTH MAIN STREET. 
          SO ZACH WILSON, 51 NORTH MAIN STREET. 
          I'M JUST GONNA BRING UP REAL QUICK THE FACT THAT THIS IS YET ANOTHER HIGHLY CONTROVERSIAL TOPIC THAT IS HAPPENING ON A NIGHT WHERE MYSTERIOUSLY THE LIVE FEED ISN'T WORKING, THE MICS AREN'T WORKING, THIS IS HAPPENING SO MANY TIMES, MAYBE DO A CHECK BEFOREHAND AND MAKE SURE 
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THAT IT'S WORKING. 
          WHEN YOU HAVE ITEMS LIKE THIS ON THE AGENDA, IT IT SPEAKS TO INCOMPETENCE IS WHAT IT SPEAKS TO. 
          SECONDLY, AGAIN, THIS IS NOT A DISCUSSION. 
          I'M UP HERE NOT EXPECTING ANY TYPE OF RESOLUTION FROM ANY OF YOU. 
          I KNOW THAT THERE'S NOTHING THAT ANYBODY HERE CAN SAY THAT IS GOING TO CHANGE THE DIRECTION THAT WE ARE GOING TO MEET OUR FOURTH ROUND REQUIREMENTS. 
          I KNOW THAT LAST MONTH I CHASTISED THIS COUNCIL ABOUT CHOOSING WHICH STATEMENTS TO ADDRESS AND CHOOSING TO SPEAK AFTER PEOPLE SIT DOWN. 
          AND YOU IMMEDIATELY PROVED MY POINT. 
          MULTIPLE PEOPLE, INCLUDING MYSELF, WERE ALLOWED TO SPEAK. 
          AND THEN MR. PRIME AND MEMBERS OF THE COUNCIL MADE BLANKET STATEMENTS ABOUT US BEING WRONG AGAIN, NOT PROVIDING AN OPPORTUNITY FOR HONEST BACK AND FORTH DISCUSSION. 
          AGAIN, I WILL ASK, WHEN IS THAT OPPORTUNITY? SINCE IT CAN'T POSSIBLY BE DURING THESE SESSIONS WHEN I AM GOING TO DISAGREE WITH STATEMENTS ABOUT NOT WANTING THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I APPRECIATE YOU DEPUTY MAYOR SAYING THAT WE WANT AFFORDABLE HOUSING HERE. 
          I APPRECIATE OTHER PEOPLE SAYING THAT IT'S IMPORTANT. 
          PEOPLE WHO NEED AFFORDABLE HOUSING OPPORTUNITIES ARE VALUABLE MEMBERS OF OUR SOCIETY. 
          THEY WILL BE VALUABLE MEMBERS OF OUR COMMUNITY. 
          WE SHOULD BE MAKING OPPORTUNITIES TO BRING THEM IN. 
          THE REASON THE STATE IS MANDATING THIS IS BECAUSE COMMUNITIES ARE NOT MAKING THOSE OPPORTUNITIES. 
          SO I I DISAGREE WITH STATEMENTS. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT AT ALL. 
          I DISAGREE, DISAGREE WITH THE WAY WE'RE GOING ABOUT IT. 
          I'M GOING TO HARKEN BACK AGAIN TO LAST MONTH WHERE WE ASKED ABOUT THE FIFTH ROUND AND WE WERE TOLD THAT WE PROBABLY WON'T EVEN HAVE A FIFTH ROUND OR THERE WON'T BE PROPERTIES AVAILABLE, BUT IF APPARENTLY THERE WAS ANOTHER PROPERTY AVAILABLE WHERE WE COULD MAKE A SWITCH BETWEEN LAST MONTH AND THIS MONTH. 
          SO WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS WHEN ALL OF A SUDDEN ANOTHER PROPERTY'S AVAILABLE WHEN THE LAFFERTY AND THEIR DEVELOPERS GET THEIR ACT TOGETHER AND MAKE IT SUITABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT. 
          THAT WILL THEN BE AVAILABLE FOR DEVELOPMENT FOR THE FIFTH ROUND, WON'T IT? 9 MILLION FOR DEED UH, EXTENSIONS IN TOMS RIVER. 
          THAT'S A LOT. 
          I'LL GRANT THAT. 
          HOW DOES IT COMPARE TO THE INCREASE OF TAXES CAUSED BY THE ADDITION OF POTENTIALLY A THOUSAND NEW KIDS TO OUR SCHOOLS OVER THE NEXT 10 YEARS? ARE WE GONNA PAY MORE FOR THAT OR WOULD WE PAY PAY MORE FLOATING A BOND FOR THE 9 MILLION TO PURCHASE THEM OR TO, TO EXTEND THE DEEDS? WHICH ONE IS ACTUALLY THE RIGHT WAY TO GO? I DON'T KNOW BECAUSE WE HAVEN'T BEEN PRESENTED A PROPER COMPARISON OF THE, OF OF THE OPTIONS. 
          WE JUST GET TOLD, NOPE, THIS IS THE ONLY WAY TO SAY THAT THESE ARE PROPOSALS AND NOT PLANS IS A PLATITUDE. 
          THE LIKELIHOOD THAT THE END PRODUCT WILL DEVIATE SIGNIFICANT SIGNIFICANTLY AND THE NUMBERS IS SO SMALL THAT IT'S NOT EVEN WORTH DISCUSSING. 
          THESE ARE GONNA GO TO THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          THESE ARE GONNA GO TO THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          THEY'RE GONNA GO THROUGH THE STUDIES AND THEY ARE GOING TO BE ALMOST EXACTLY THE NUMBERS THAT ARE CURRENTLY PROPOSED. 
          EVEN IF THE, THE ARRANGEMENT AND ALL OF THAT IS A LITTLE BIT DIFFERENT FOR THAT MATTER, IF IT WERE TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY, IF THAT IS THE PLATITUDE THAT WE'RE BEING GIVEN AND IT DOES CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY THROUGH ALL THOSE SESSIONS, WHAT DOES THAT DO TO OUR COMPLIANCE IF IT WERE TO CHANGE SIGNIFICANTLY BASED ON THE STUDIES PLANNING AND THE ZONING LAW, DOES THAT THEN TAKE US OUT OF COMPLIANCE WITH THE FAIR SHARE PLAN? BECAUSE IT CAN'T BE BOTH, RIGHT? IT CAN ONLY BE THAT IT COULD CHANGE AND BE IN COMPLIANCE OR I DON'T THINK IT'S GONNA CHANGE THAT MUCH. 
          AND FOR US TO SAY THAT THESE ARE ONLY CONCEPTS OF PLANS IS YANKING OUR CHAIN A LITTLE BIT. 
          AGAIN, I'M NOT UP HERE THINKING THAT WE CAN CHANGE ANYTHING. 
          I KNOW THAT WE ARE GOING FORWARD WITH THIS. 
          LIKE YOU SAID, YOU CAN'T FIGHT THE NUMBER, BUT YOU COULD HAVE CHOSEN THE WEAPON AND YOU CHOSE A GIANT DEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          THREE OF THEM IN FACT. 
          AND YOU DID NOTHING TO PREPARE US OVER THE LAST 10 YEARS FOR THIS POINT. 
          WE KNEW, WE KNEW IT WAS COMING. 
          YOU HAD TO HAVE KNOWN. 
          BUT HERE WE ARE MOVING FORWARD. 
          THIS IS IT. 
          THERE'S NOT GONNA BE A CHANGE. 
          AND I WOULD LOVE IT IF YOU COULD ALL JUST SAY THAT. 
          CHRISTINE VALENTINE FIVE LANE. 
          UM, A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          WHERE ARE WE GETTING OFF THE SEWER PERMITS? MR. NALL, THE CHAIR SEWER PERITZ. 
          ARE THEY AVAILABLE? YEAH, WE WE HAVE NOT ALLOWED ANY RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT IN THE TOWNSHIP OTHER THAN FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN ORDER TO NOT BE CRITICIZED FOR HAVING, NOT HAVING SEWER FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          THE ONLY SEWER AVAILABLE IS FOR 
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THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS EXCEPT FOR YOUR . 
          YOUR BUDDY THAT OWNS THE, YOU WERE MY BUDDY TOO THAT OWNS THE YEAH, WE WERE, WE WERE MY BUDDY TOO. 
          YOU YOU, YOU'RE RIGHT. 
          WE WERE, UM, SAMOS OWNS THE PERMITS FOR HIS SITE AND HE'S NOT INVOLVED IN THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          SO THOSE, THE HOUSES, I DON'T REMEMBER THE NAME OF 'EM ON HARTFORD ROAD. 
          THOSE NEW HOUSES ON THE RIGHT HAND SIDE ACROSS FROM CVS, THEY'RE ALL ON SEWER OR SEPTIC RIDGE. 
          OH, YES, YES. 
          THEY'RE ON SEWER. 
          YES. 
          THEY'RE, THEY, THEY, IT IS AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT. 
          OKAY. 
          THEY HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING THERE? YES. 
          YEAH. 
          48 UNITS. 
          THAT'S 48. 
          AND THAT DEVELOPER DID I SEE HIS NAME ASSOCIATED A LOT WITH A LOT OF THESE HOUSING PROJECTS. 
          I'M SORRY, DE HORTON, WHAT'S HIS NAME? NO, NO. 
          D DR. HORTON DID THE MARKET HOUSING IN TIMBER RIDGE. 
          THE 48 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS ARE, ARE BEING DEVELOPED BY ENG, WERE DEVELOPED BY ENGERMAN. 
          IS HE DOING ANY OF THE OTHER ONES THAT ARE PROPOSED THE FOURTH ROUND, I BELIEVE BASED ON THE CERTIFICATIONS THAT WERE FILED WITH THE COURT, DR HORTON IS THE CONTRACT PURCHASER OF TWO OF THE SITES. 
          THE OTHER SITES JUST HAS ANYBODY'S CHECKED HIS ACCOUNTABILITY? WELL, THEY'RE A NATIONAL HOME BUILDER. 
          A LOT OF NEGATIVE COMMENTS. 
          WELL, THEY'RE THE SECOND BIGGEST BUILDER IN THE UNITED STATES. 
          SO, I MEAN, I THINK THEY'RE, I DON'T CARE WHO, WHAT I MEAN THEY'RE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO, THEY'RE FINANCIALLY ABLE TO DO IT. 
          NUMBER ONE, UH, WHATEVER YOU ARE , IT'S TIME FOR RETIRE. 
          OH, BELIEVE ME, YOU ARE RIGHT ABOUT THAT. 
          SO THE SEWER PERMITS, YOU'RE SAYING NOBODY HAS DONE, BUT WE HAVE ALL THOSE TOWNHOUSES, BUT BECAUSE I HAD SOME LOW INCOME IN THERE, THEY WERE ALLOWED TO USE THOUSANDS. 
          I MEAN, WE'RE TALKING A LOT OF SEWER HAS COME IN IN THE PAST FEW YEARS. 
          WELL, IT'S FUNNY. 
          AND WHEN MR. SAMOS WAS FIGHTING AND THEN WE HAD THE OTHER ONES, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO SEWER. 
          THERE'S NO SEWER. 
          THEN SHORTLY AFTER I THOUGHT I READ SOMEWHERE, IT'S HARD TO GET NEWS ANYMORE IN NEWSPAPERS. 
          THAT WAS JUST CLEANING OUT THE LINES AND WE FOUND ALL THIS NEW SEWER CAPACITY. 
          NO, NO, NO. 
          WELL, THERE WAS, I AND I, THERE ALL WE'RE. 
          I'LL LET CHRIS ANSWER THIS. 
          THERE'S ONGOING INFLOW AND INFILTRATION. 
          WE TRY TO TIGHTEN THE LINES. 
          SO WE'RE NOT TREATING RAINWATER, WE'RE ONLY TREATING SEWAGE. 
          BUT THAT, THAT DIDN'T GENERATE ENOUGH CAPACITY FOR ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          BUT YOU'RE GONNA NEED SEWER FOR ALL THESE NEW DEVELOPMENTS. 
          WE HAVE SEWER FOR ALL THESE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          SO HOW IS THAT GONNA WORK? WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SEWER FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS ALL THE TIME. 
          YOU HAVE TO SO YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE TO INCREASE THE SEWER. 
          YOU CAN'T NO. 
          WE HAVE SUFFICIENT SEWER WITH THE EXISTING PLANT FOR THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT EVER EXPANDING CORRECT  MAGIC NUMBERS. 
          IT'S NOT MAGIC. 
          IT'S MAGIC. 
          YOU CAN'T, OKAY. 
          MY MY ONLY OTHER COMMENT IS PERHAPS DON'T THEY HAVE A, A MAYOR, THE MAYORS MEET THE MEETINGS. 
          PERHAPS THE NEW, THE MAYOR SHOULD DISCUSS THIS WITH THE NEW, UM, GOVERNOR OF NEW JERSEY THAT TOWNSHIPS CANNOT CONTINUE SUPPORTING THESE NUMBERS. 
          THE NEW I KNOW WHAT MY, MY TAXES WENT UP OVER $2,000 THIS YEAR. 
          YOU'RE HERE GOING UP AGAIN NEXT YEAR. 
          THE NEWLY ELECTED GOVERNOR HAS SAID THAT SHE'S FIRMLY, UH, IN FAVOR OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN THAT'S EXISTING IN THE STATE. 
          OKAY. 
          POLITICIANS ALL SAY ONE THING. 
          I MEAN ANOTHER. 
          OH, THE GOVERNOR THAT WAS DEFEATED SAID HE WASN'T, BUT HE GOT DEFEATED. 
          I THINK. 
          I THINK SHE MIGHT BE. 
          PERHAPS THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND REALLY WHAT'S GOING ON. 
          I GET IT. 
          THIS IS A HUGE NUMBER, HUGE NUMBER FOR OUR TOWN. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU, THANK YOU. 
          DO NOT, PLEASE DON'T START MY TIME CLEAN UNTIL YOU MINUTES MY FIVE MINUTES. 
          MY PROFESSIONALS. 
          I DON'T EVEN THINK IT'S ON. 
          DOES ANYBODY KNOW HOW TO CHECK IF IT'S ON AGAIN BEFORE MY TIME STARTS? WE AGAIN, WE WANNA ASK MR. ROBERTS FOR A MOTION TO EXTEND THE TIME 
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FOR A SECOND AND AN APPROVAL BY THE COUNCIL. 
          YOU TALKED EIGHT MINUTES ABOUT CASH ON STREET AND MR. WATSON ENGAGED WITH THE WOMAN TO ASK MR. AL TO INVESTIGATE. 
          ARE YOU GONNA GIVE PEOPLE TIME TO TALK IF ASKING FOR A MOTION A SECOND. 
          YOU'RE USING YOUR FIVE MINUTES NOW IF WE DO ENGAGE, IT DOESN'T COUNT AGAINST YOURSELF. 
          FIVE MINUTES. 
          NO, YOU CAN FIVE MINUTES PER PERSON IN THE ORDINANCE. 
          EXCUSE ME, EVERYONE. 
          WE, WE SIMPLY CANNOT HAVE ANY YELLING FROM, FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          IF WE DO CHOOSE TO COMMENT DURING YOUR TIME, IT WILL NOT COUNT AGAINST YOUR FIVE MINUTES. 
          YOU'RE WELCOME TO PROCEED. 
          WHAT I'VE JUST HANDED YOU IS THE DEED RESTRICTIONS FOR THE TWO PROPERTIES IN QUESTION THAT ARE ERMAN PROPERTY OF 60 UNITS. 
          AND BML UH, HOLDINGS TO THE TIMING BOARD WAS  MA, MAYOR, STOP RIGHT THERE. 
          NO, NOT COUNTED. 
          WE'RE NOT COUNTING. 
          ABSOLUTELY NOT. 
          SOLICIT THESE, THESE ARE IN OUR PLAN. 
          THEY'RE COUNTED. 
          MR. MR. PRIME. 
          MR. I WOULD LIKE TIME PLEASE. 
          UH, AND I'M GONNA ASK SOMETHING. 
          THERE IS A STATE STATUTE. 
          I WANT TO KNOW WHO'S RUNNING THE, THE TOWNSHIP. 
          IS IT MR. PRIME OR IS IT THE COUNCIL? RIGHT. 
          IT'S A SERIOUS QUESTION. 
          I DON'T GET, I I THINK I DESERVE AN ANSWER'S. 
          YOU ALRIGHT? THESE ARE NOT IN, THAT'S YOU PAGE FIVE OF THE FOUR FAIR HOUSING REPORT THAT YOU FILED AS A LEGAL DOCUMENT WITH FAIR SHARE TO CREDIT US WITH 488 UNITS. 
          IT'S PAGE FIVE IF YOU WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT. 
          MATTER OF FACT, I HAVE A COPY OF IT. 
          THE 90 92 UNITS HAVE A DEED RESTRICTION TO 2057 AND 2058. 
          I SPOKE WITH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY CHAIR HOUSING AND I ALSO SPOKE WITH NEW JERSEY HOUSING AND FINANCE. 
          THEY SHOULD HAVE BEEN COUNSEL. 
          SO THEY ARE NOT IN THAT DOCUMENT. 
          AND DO WE HAVE A DIFFERENT ONE MA'AM? WHAT'S THE TABLE WAS FILED WITH THE COURT? YOU HAVE 12 AND 32. 
          THERE'S 60 AND 30. 
          THERE'S UH, YOU LOOK 60 AND 32. 
          YEAH, YOU GOT NUMBER CROSSING, WHICH IS NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          IT IS PRECO FILED FOR FOR BANKRUPTCY. 
          SO I'M NOT QUITE SURE WHAT THAT ISCO WAS. 
          A THAT IS NOT WHAT I'M SPEAKING OF. 
          IF YOU WANT LOOK AT THOSE DOCUMENT. 
          DO YOU WANNA KNOW THE FACTS? WHERE YOU JUST WANT TO TALK? YOU PLEASE FEEL FREE. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          RECO WAS TAKEN OUT OF THE PLAN BECAUSE THEY WERE NEVER BUILT. 
          THEY'RE BEING ALLOCATED TOWARD THE FIFTH ROUND OR IF SAMOS EVER DEVELOPED, HE'S OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THOSE 24 COSTCO WENT BANKRUPT. 
          THE 60 AND 32 ARE IN THE PLAN. 
          THEY'RE NOT I'LL, I'LL GIVE YOU THE PLAN THAT WAS APPROVED BY THE COURT. 
          I WOULD APPRECIATE THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE WHAT YOU FILED A FAIR SHARE DOESN'T HAVE THAT HAD TO BE UPDATED. 
          THAT'S WHAT THE WHOLE POINT I MADE EARLIER. 
          WE HAD TO GO THROUGH EVERY UNIT AND MAKE SURE WE COUNTED THEM ALL. 
          SIR. 
          WE THOUGHT AT ONE POINT, BASED ON THE PRIOR ROUND PLAN, THAT I HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH THAT. 
          THE 24 WERE BUILT, WE FOUND OUT THEY WERE NEVER BUILT ORIGINALLY. 
          SAMOS HAD AN OFFICE BUILDING THERE. 
          HE REPLACED THE OFFICE BUILDING WITH THE 24 UNITS, 12 UNITS AND 12 CREDITS. 
          WE THOUGHT THEY WERE BILLED, THEY WERE NEVER BILLED. 
          SO FAIR SHARE MADE US TAKE 'EM OUT OF THE PLAN. 
          BUT THOSE, THOSE ARE IN THE PLAN. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT. 
          THE TABLE'S RIGHT IN IT. 
          I I APPRECIATE IT. 
          'CAUSE THEY'RE NOT THERE. 
          , I FILE IL 1 71 25. 
          I DON'T MAY. 
          I'VE LOOKED AT THE DOCUMENTS YOU FILED YOU AND WHY DON'T WE BRING IT OUT THAT MR. SMOS IS HIDING IN THE WEED TRYING TO, TO HAVE THE COURTS NOT APPROVE THE PLAN SO HE CAN HAVE ACCESS TO THIS. 
          HIS, HIS OBJECTIONS WERE DENIED. 
          OKAY. 
          WELL HE WAS, THERE WASN'T, HE DID OBJECT. 
          SO MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT WE RIGHT NOW HAVE STILL DEFENDANT. 
          NO, WE DON'T. 
          WE NOW, ACCORDING TO THE DOCUMENTS ON FILE. 
          SO ARE WE IMMUNE OR NOT? YES, WE ARE IMMUNE. 
          SO THIS PLAN, THAT ISN'T A PLAN. 
          YOU HAVE, YOU ARE, IT IS A PLAN ON CHALLENGER SITE EVERY DAY. 
          THEY'RE DOING WETLANDS DELINEATION, YOUR HONOR. 
          THEY'RE, THEY'RE OUT THERE PREPARING THE SITE, FIGURING OUT HOW THEY'RE DOING THE WETLANDS DELINEATION. 
          IT IS NOT A PLAN. 
          IT IS A WORK IN PROGRESS. 
          SO I, BEFORE MY TIME IS OUT, AND I HOPE YOU TAKE A COUPLE OF MINUTES OFF FOR OUR TIME. 
          I'VE BEEN PAUSING EVERY TIME. 
          . 
          THANK YOU SIR. 
          AND I'M SURE IT MIGHT BE ALL RIGHT. 
          UM, MY, MY ROLE IS NOT TO BE ADVERSARIAL, ALTHOUGH IT'S COMING OUT THAT WAY BECAUSE I SIT HERE AND I LISTEN TO AN ATTORNEY, A SOLICITOR THAT HAS CONSTANTLY GONE AGAINST SO MANY THINGS, SUNSHINE LAWS. 
          HE HAS GONE AGAINST, UM, THE NOVEMBER 20TH MEETING, SPECIAL PRESENTATION. 
          MR. PRIME IS MAKING A 20 MINUTE CONVERSATION ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING WITHOUT PUBLIC BEING NOTIFIED. 
          WE 
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HAVE GOTTEN, UM, BLURRED LINES OF DR 2 1 0 1 WITH WHO MAKING BLANKET STATEMENTS ON BEHALF OF COUNCIL ON COUNCIL NOT RUNNING THIS TOWNSHIP. 
          WHERE HAVE I GONE WITH ALL THIS? SO THIS DOESN'T GO INTO A DEBATE ON WHO'S ON FIRST. 
          I'M TRYING TO FIND OUT. 
          IN OCTO IN, UH, JUNE 27TH, 2019, ON PAGE FIVE OF THE COURT FILING ON BEHALF OF METHOD TOWNSHIP, WE HAD A POSSIBILITY OF HAVING PERMANENT IMMUNITY. 
          THEN BY 2020 THAT PERMANENT IMMUNITY WENT AWAY. 
          HE WAS ARGUING THE CASE AND WENT TO JULY OF 2025. 
          IT WOULD EX IT WAS EXTENDED AT THAT POINT. 
          MR. PRIME IS RIGHT. 
          WE DID HAVE TO FILE BY JUNE THE 27TH, 2025 TO THIS DAY IN COMPLIANCE WITH FAIR SHARE, WE DID, WE DID NOT HAVE TO FILE FOR DR COURT TO TAKE OVER THE TOWN FOR THEM TO SPEND PRIVATE MONEY PREPARING SITE PLANS IN A PUBLIC AND LEGAL DOCUMENT FILED ON BEHALF OF MEFOR. 
          WHEN DOES A PRIVATE DEVELOPER SPEND MONEY IF THEY'RE NOT GOING TO GET THE RESULT OF THAT MONEY? THAT'S RIGHT. 
          WHEN DOES IT HAPPEN? YEAH, ONE MINUTE. 
          DR. HORTON IS ON EVERY SINGLE SINGLE, DR. HORTON IS ON EVERY SINGLE DOCUMENT. 
          WE HAVE A LAWSUIT FILED BY A RESIDENT. 
          I'M SURE YOU THINK IT'S PROBABLY NOT SERIOUS, BUT IT IS. 
          WE HAVE, WE HAVE SITUATIONS WHERE THE TOWNSHIP, IT APPEARS, HAS OPTIONS. 
          IF THE 92 COUNT, WHICH THEY HAVE COUNTED, IT BRINGS IT DOWN TO 79 UNITS. 
          THERE'S A, THERE'S A, A COMPANY CALLED PROJECT FREEDOM. 
          AND ONE OF THE REASONS WHY TOMS RIVER IS COMPLIANT NOW IS BECAUSE PROJECT FREEDOM FEED INTO THAT TOWNSHIP AS WELL AS SEVERAL OTHER TOWNSHIPS THAT CAN BE BUILT. 
          MR. PRIME STATED, I WANNA BRING UP ONE OTHER THING ON THESE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          THERE IS LAWS THAT PROVIDE, YOU NEVER APPROACHED ANYONE TO FIND OUT WHAT IT WAS GONNA COST TO EXTEND DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          I WENT AND TALKED TO THEM. 
          I WENT AND READ THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          NOT ONE OF THE 65. 
          HAVE YOU EVER APPROACHED THAT? THAT'S CORRECT. 
          I INDICATED EARLIER THAT I KNEW WHAT IT WAS. 
          I KNEW WHAT, I NEVER DID A FINANCIAL STUFF. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          EVER. 
          I KNEW WHAT IT WAS GONNA COST. 
          OH YEAH. 
          YOU JUST KNEW. 
          YOU KNEW WHAT SOMEBODY WAS GONNA TAKE. 
          WELL HERE'S WHAT IT IS, MS. HOLLOWAY, THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE LAW DATE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          20,000. 
          YOUR TIME IS UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAY THANK YOU MAY THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SHE'S GOING OFF. 
          SHE'S GONNA WRAP UP WHAT SHE SAID. 
          THANK YOU OFFICER, COULD YOU PLEASE? WE WERE PREPARED HER HELPER. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR FIVE MINUTES. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DON'T YOU GOT WAY, SPEAKER MINUTES LAST TIME. 
          DEPUTY MAYOR. 
          MIKE, WHY ARE YOU LETTING THIS HAPPEN? SURROUNDING US WITH POLICE NOW. 
          SO DROP THE ZONING. 
          GO WITH THE POLICE. 
          THEY'RE EMBARRASSED. 
          LOOKS REALLY BAD. 
          NO KIDDING. 
          SO I WAS PREPARED FOR THIS. 
          MAKES FINISH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          BEFORE YOU START, PLEASE REMEMBER TO RAISE YOUR HAND AND WE'LL CALL YOU UP TO THE MICROPHONE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI. 
          IF I MAY, THERE'S A NATIONAL SHORTAGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AS WELL AS YOU, YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE. 
          HELLO, IT'S MEGAN MONTY, 2 1 6 CHURCH ROAD. 
          THANK YOU BEDFORD, NEW JERSEY. 
          0 8 0 5 5 . 
          THERE YOU GO. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR SEDIMENTS ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING MAYOR. 
          HOWEVER, I DO NOT AGREE AND I DON'T THINK IT ENCOMPASSES YOUR MORAL VALUES AND I THINK IT CHASTISES PEOPLE BASED ON ECONOMICS. 
          THERE IS A WAY TO AFFORDABLY BUILD HOUSING IN ALL COMMUNITIES AND THAT SEEMS TO HAVE FALLEN ON DEAF EARS. 
          SO TO CONTINUE, NUMBER 11, DURING THE NOVEMBER 20TH, 2025 SPECIAL PRESENTATION, MR. PRIME AGAIN MADE A STATEMENT THAT HE CAN SUBSTANTIATE NOR DOCUMENT. 
          MR. PRIME STATED THAT EXTENDING THE EXISTING DEED RESTRICTIONS TO APPLY 65 MORE UNITS TOWARDS OUR REQUIREMENT THAN 92 DO NOT NEED TO BE EXTENDED BECAUSE THEY'RE ALREADY IN COMPLIANCE WAS TOO EXPENSIVE FOR MEDFORD TOWNSHIP TO CONSIDER. 
          AFTER SOME INVESTIGATION, IT WAS DISCOVERED THAT ALLEGEDLY NEITHER MEDFORD TOWNSHIP, MR. PRIME OR HIS FIRM MAY NEVER HAVE APPROACHED ANY DEED RESTRICTED HOLDER TO DEVELOP, OBTAIN THE 
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AMOUNT OF FUNDS IT WOULD TAKE TO ACCOMPLISH EXTENDING THE RESTRICTIONS TO INCLUDE THEM IN THE CURRENT AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          IT WAS ALSO DISCOVERED PER N JAC FIVE 80 DASH 26.6 VOLUNTARY PRESERVATION PROGRAM UNDER RECENT UHAC AMENDMENTS AND FOURTH ROUND GUIDELINES. 
          THIS COMPENSATION IS OFTEN A MINIMUM OF $20,000 PER UNIT FROM THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND TO IN SANITIZE THE HOMEOWNER. 
          OTHER FUNDS ARE ALSO AVAILABLE FOR THE 65 SIGNAL AFFORDABLE OWNER OCCUPANT UNITS THAT WOULD COME TO A COST OF 1,350 MILLION. 
          THIS COST WOULD NOT BE PROHIBITIVE AND AS FAR BELOW AS THE POSSIBLE 58 BILLION IMPACT ON MEDFORD SCHOOL DISTRICT ALONE WITHOUT THE INCLUSION OF THE INFRASTRUCTURE COSTS. 
          AS STATED BY MR. THOMAS BENDI, WHO WAS AN EXPERT WITH OVER 40 YEARS IN SCHOOL ADMINISTRATION AND WAS EMPLOYED BY THE MEDFORD GLENN PEACE SCHOOL DISTRICTS STATED BEFORE COUNSEL AND IS ON VIDEO ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, YOUR COURT FILING AN OPPOSITION TO THE LAWSUIT FILED BY A RESIDENT STATED THAT MEDFORD'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING PLAN IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          I REPLIED, NO IT IS NOT. 
          THIS ALLEGEDLY IS A DONE DEAL MOVING FORWARD WITH ALL MISS DALLY SITE WORK BEING DONE ON THE TINGER TRACK WITHOUT NOTIFYING ANYONE WITHIN 200 FEET, MAYOR HORTON PREPARED THE SITE PLAN WITH WHAT ALLEGEDLY APPEARS TO THEIR PRIVATE ENGINEERING FIRM. 
          WHEN DOES A PRIVATE COMPANY START SPENDING MONEY TO PREPARE DOCUMENTS FOR A LEGAL GOVERNMENT REPORT THAT IS BEING SUBMITTED TO FAIR SHARE AND A COURT IF THEY DON'T BELIEVE THEY ALLEGEDLY HAVE A DONE DEAL, WHO IS PAYING FOR THE SITE WORK THAT IS BEING DONE? IS THE TOWN THE DEVELOPER, THE OWNER OF THE LAND, OR A COMBINATION OF THEM ALL? WHEN DOES THE TOWN COUNCIL CONTINUE TO SPEND TENS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS IN LEGAL FEES, ENGINEERING FEES, HOURS OF EMPLOYEES TIME, AND SO MANY OTHER ANCILLARY FEES IF YOU WERE NOT MOVING FORWARD WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF INFORMING THE RESIDENTS OF THE TOWN? MAYOR, ONE MINUTE. 
          ONE MINUTE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HOW ELSE? I DON'T WANT TO HEAR ANY BOO OR MISSES BECAUSE I'M GONNA SWITCH GEARS. 
          , THAT MIGHT BE THE EASIEST CONVERSATION YOU'RE GONNA HAVE ALL NIGHT, PROBABLY TAUNTON BOULEVARD. 
          MY NAME IS JIM SCHIFFMAN. 
          I LIVE AT 2 0 9 TAUNTON BOULEVARD AND I REPRESENT THE LAKE PINE SAFE STREETS INITIATIVE. 
          I GUESS BY NOW EVERYBODY'S SEEN THE YARD SIGNS. 
          WE HAVE POSTED UP AT DOWN TAUNTON BOULEVARD, THE SPEEDS AND SIGNS AND THE WEIGHT RESTRICTION SIGNS. 
          UM, WE HAVE SENIOR CITIZENS ON OUR ROAD ON FIXED INCOMES WHO PAID FOR THOSE SIGNS OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS BECAUSE WE'RE NOT GETTING THE REPRESENTATION OF PROTECTION THAT WE DESERVE FROM THE LOCAL POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          IN MAY THERE WAS A MONITOR PLACED ON TON BOULEVARD, WHICH INDICATED THAT 404,407 VEHICLES EXCEED 40 MILES AN HOUR EVERY SIX DAYS ON TOLTON BOULEVARD, WHICH COMES OUT TO ALMOST 18,000 VEHICLES A MONTH. 
          I ASKED FOR A REPORT FROM THE POLICE DEPARTMENT ON HOW MANY SPEEDING TICKETS WERE ISSUED ON TOLTON BOULEVARD IN NOVEMBER. 
          THEY ISSUED 11 TICKETS, SPEEDING TICKETS OUT OF 18 THOUSANDS. 
          PEOPLE EXCEEDING 40 MILES AN HOUR AT 11 TICKETS. 
          THAT'S A BIG PROBLEM FOR US. 
          NOW, ANOTHER PROBLEM WE'RE FACED WITH RIGHT NOW IS THAT EVESHAM HAS SUDDENLY DECIDED THAT ALL THEIR DUMP TRUCKS, PROBABLY BECAUSE OF THE WEIGHT RESTRICTION SIGNS, ARE NOW TRAVELING UP AND DOWN TOLTON BOULEVARD ADDING TO THE ALREADY 180 TRUCKS WE HAVE TRAVELING ON THAT ROAD EVERY SINGLE DAY. 
          WE NOW HAVE EVESHAM USING IT AS AN ACCESS TO GO FROM ONLY GOD KNOWS WHERE TO WHERE THEY'RE COMING FROM. 
          WE ALSO FOUND OUT RECENTLY THAT AL TAUNTON ROAD AND TAUNTON BOULEVARD ARE ALL PART OF COUNTY ROAD 6 23. 
          AND I'VE HEARD CONVERSATIONS ABOUT PUTTING WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS IN A 25 MILE AN HOUR SPEED LIMIT ON HEMAL LINE. 
          AND OUR CONTENTION IS IF IT HAPPENS ON HEMAL LINE, 
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IT'S GOTTA HAPPEN ON THE WHOLE OF THAT COUNTY ROAD 6 23, INCLUDING TAUNTON BOULEVARD. 
          SO ANY WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS THAT OCCUR ON HIM LINE HAVE TO OCCUR ON TAUNTON ROAD AND TAUNTON BOULEVARD HAS GOTTA BE CONTINUOUS. 
          ANOTHER THING I RECENTLY FOUND, I WENT TO THE COMM TO THE COUNTY COMMISSIONER'S MEETING AND I GOT AN A NICE VERBAL BUTT WHOOPING FROM RANDY BROLA, ONE OF THE COUNTY COMMISSIONERS ABOUT WHAT A WONDERFUL JOB THE COUNTY ENGINEER DOES WITH WEIGHT RESTRICTIONS AND CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT THE COUNTY. 
          I FOUND OUT AFTERWARDS THAT HE'S A UNION BOSS OF THE BUILDING TRADE. 
          SO HE BENEFITS DIRECTLY FROM HAVING ALL THESE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN TALLON BOULEVARD ALL DAY LONG. 
          WE ARE NOW AT 12,000 VEHICLES A DAY ON TALLON BOULEVARD. 
          NO ONE HAD THE FORESIGHT TO THINK THAT WHEN THEY BUILT KING'S GRANT THAT THERE SHOULD BE A DIRECT LINK FROM TOMLINSON MILL TO ROUTE 70 TO 2 95. 
          INSTEAD THEY SAID, WE'RE GONNA SEND ALL THOSE CARS UP AND DOWN A RESIDENTIAL LAKESIDE COMMUNITY WHERE WE PAY A PREMIUM IN TAXES FOR HAVING LAKEFRONT PROPERTY. 
          SO NOW WE HAVE 12,000 VEHICLES A DAY, RIGHT? WE HAVE UPWARDS OF ALMOST A THOUSAND A DAY EXCEEDING THE SPEED LIMIT BY 10 MILES AN HOUR GOING OVER 40 MILES AN HOUR. 
          WE HAVE 180 PLUS NOW THE EVE CONE TRUCKS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD ALL DAY. 
          WE HAVE TRACTOR, 18 WHEEL TRACTOR TRAILERS, CAR CARRIERS, CEMENT MIXERS, ANY LARGE VEHICLE THAT WEIGHS OVER, I THINK ABOUT 30 TONS. 
          AND THOSE DUMP TRUCKS, WHEN THEY'RE FULL, THEY WEIGH ABOUT 50 TONS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD. 
          SO NOW WE'RE EXPERIENCING, UH, CRACKS IN OUR FOUNDATIONS AND IT'S A TERRIBLE SAFETY ISSUE. 
          YOU KNOW, ALL DAY LONG I SEE POLICE CARS GOING UP AND DOWN THAT ROAD AND AMBULANCES TO RESPOND TO, TO TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS. 
          WHAT HAPPENED TO PREVENTING THE TRAFFIC ACCIDENTS IF THERE WAS SOME KIND OF WAY THAT, THAT WE WERE STOPPING THE SPEEDING AND THE CRAZINESS. 
          IT JUST SOUNDS LIKE THIS, THIS TOWNSHIP. 
          NOW ONE MINUTE MR. SHIPPER IS COMPLETELY OUT OF CONTROL TO THE POLICE OFFICERS HERE. 
          DID YOU KNOW THAT? DID YOU KNOW THAT 18,000 CARS A MONTH EXCEED THE SPEED LIMIT ON TOP BOULEVARD? NO, BECAUSE THE LEADERSHIP IN THE MEDFORD POLICE DEPARTMENT DOESN'T TELL THE OFFICERS 18,000 A MONTH AND YOU GUYS GAVE OUT 11 SPEEDING TICKETS. 
          THAT'S AWFUL. 
          AND I HAVE BEAT THIS DRUM FOR FIVE YEARS NOW ASKING YOU TO DO SOMETHING. 
          THIS WAS AN EASY FIX COMPARED TO WHAT'S GOING ON HERE TONIGHT, . 
          I DIDN'T KNOW, I DIDN'T KNOW THIS WAS GONNA HAPPEN WHEN I STARTED, WHEN I DECIDED I WAS GONNA COME HERE TONIGHT. 
          PRESENT THESE NUMBERS. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO IF THIS HAD BEEN TAKEN CARE OF FIVE YEARS AGO, YOU COULD DIRECT ALL YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS PROBLEM WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          BUT INSTEAD I'M GONNA THROW THIS ON TOP OF THE MESS THAT HAS BEEN CREATED IN MEDFORD TOWNSHIP. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH, PLEASE. 
          HELLO? UM, MY NAME IS . 
          I LIVE IN FIVE FIFTH COURT. 
          UM, I UNDERSTAND THE AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING ISSUES WE ALL HAVE TO COMPLY WITH. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOUR POSITIONS TOO, WHERE YOU'RE SITTING IN OATH, WHETHER OATH, S AND L. 
          MY QUESTION IS, IS THIS, I KNOW MR. PRIME SAID IT IS A CONCEPTUAL PLAN. 
          NO. 
          IS THAT TRUE? LET'S BE CLEAR. 
          IT IS A PLAN, IT'S A CONCEPTUAL PLAN BECAUSE NOTHING'S BEEN APPROVED YET. 
          BUT IT DOES FORM THE BASIS FOR A FORMAL PLAN. 
          I MEAN, MR. WILSON'S CORRECT WHAT THE PLAN PROVIDES, ASSUMING THEY CAN MEET THE REQUIREMENTS. 
          MY POINT IS, IS THAT FOR EXAMPLE, YOU MENTIONED ABOUT NUMBER OF UNITS YES. 
          AFFORDABLE AND 95, THEY HAVE TO BE BILLED, RIGHT? YES. 
          THAT'S THAT'S THE NUMBER THEY HAVE TO BE BILLED. 
          YES. 
          SO THAT NUMBER NOW, IS THAT SPLIT AMONG THESE THREE SITES? YES. 
          ONLY BETWEEN TWO SITES AND ONE SITE. 
          THE TOTAL IS 1 71 SPREAD AMONG THREE SITES. 
          I UNDERSTAND THREE SITES. 
          THESE THE THREE SITES. 
          ONE IN FRONT OF, UH, STOKE OAKLAND WINERY. 
          WELL, YEAH. 
          YES, IT'S, YES. 
          IT'S UH, BLOCK NUMBER EIGHT. 
          YEAH. 
          AIRS TOWN AND CHURCH. 
          YEP. 
          YES. 
          TOWN AND CHURCH. 
          YEP. 
          THE OTHER ONE IS, UM, CHURCH AND FOSTER TOWN CORNER. 
          YES. 
          UH, PARKVIEW CEMETERY. 
          YEP. 
          YEP. 
          AND THE THIRD ONE IS, UH, NORTH TOWN, UH, MOUNT HOLLY ROAD 
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AND CHURCH ROAD BEHIND THE 5 41. 
          YES. 
          AMONG THESE THREE SITES, THE 19, ARE THERE BE 90 AFFORDABLE UNITS? 171 AFFORDABLE UNITS? UH, UH, AMONG THOSE THREE SITES? YES. 
          ARE THEY SPLIT ONLY AMONG THE THREE? NO, I, I I CAN GIVE YOU THE NUMBERS. 
          THEY'RE SPLIT AMONG THREE. 
          THREE DIFFERENT SITES. 
          THREE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE ONE IS AGE RESTRICTED, CORRECT? THE ONE ON THE MOUNT HOLLY, THE MARKET HOUSING IS AGE RESTRICTED, RIGHT? 12 OF THE UNITS, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS ARE AGE RESTRICTED. 
          THE OTHER ONES ARE NOT AGE RESTRICTED. 
          THEY CAN'T BE. 
          OKAY. 
          SO HOW MANY, UM, AFFORDABILITY FOUND THAT ON ON THAT? 48. 
          48? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT ON, UM, AIRSTONE AND, UH, CHURCH? 48. 
          48 ALSO 48 ALSO. 
          YES. 
          THE REMAINING UNITS. 
          WHAT, WHAT KIND OF HOMES ARE THERE? THEY'RE A MIX OF SINGLE FAMILY HOMES, AGE RESTRICTED HOMES, NON AGE RESTRICTED HOMES, UH, AND TOWNHOUSES. 
          CAN I KNOW, CAN YOU GO EACH SITE? AIRSTONE AND UH, SURE. 
          AIRSTONE AND CHURCH. 
          ARE THEY ANY SINGLE FAMILY THERE OR JUST TOWN HALLS? AIRSTONE AND CHURCH. 
          I HAVE TO LOOK AT THE, THE CONCEPT PLAN. 
          THAT'S THE PARK. 
          THEY'RE ALL TOWN HALL. 
          THAT'S THE PARK YOU SITE? NO, NOT TOWN PARK. 
          PARKVIEW STANDARD CHURCH. 
          YEAH. 
          AIR CHURCH DOES NOT PARK. 
          IT'S BLOCK. 
          8, 8 0 3 OR 8 0 3. 
          THAT'S PARKVIEW. 
          THAT'S PARKVIEW. 
          THAT'S KIR. 
          KIRBY PARKVIEW OR KIRBY'S MILL. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S, UH, A CHURCH IN, UH, FOSTER. 
          YES. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT CHURCH IN ESTON. 
          OKAY. 
          WHICH IS, THAT'S PARKVIEW AT KIRBY'S MILL IS THE NAME OF IT. 
          PARKVIEW AT KIRBY'S MILL IS THE NAME OF THE, OF WHERE RICK'S AUTO BODY IS AT CHURCH AND PARK HARRIS TOWN ROAD. 
          IS THAT THE SITE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, SIR? ACROSS THE STOKE. 
          WINEY? YEAH, THAT I THOUGHT THAT WAS NO, THAT'S WHAT IT IS. 
          OKAY, SO THERE, IT'S ALL TOWN HOMES. 
          TOWN HOMES AND APARTMENTS. 
          YEAH, FAMILY RENTAL APARTMENTS. 
          SO WHY, WHY DO YOU, SO IF YOU ARE GIVING AFFORDABLE, WHY DO YOU NEED A HOME? I CAN BRING A SINGLE . 
          THAT'S THE ULTIMATE QUESTION. 
          THE STATE LAW, FOR EVERY AFFORDABLE UNIT YOU BUILD, YOU ARE ENTITLED TO BUILD FOUR MARKET HOUSES BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SELL THE AFFORDABLE UNITS OR RENT THEM FOR LESS THAN THE MARKET. 
          SO THE STATE REQUIRES YOU TO LET THE BUILDER DEVELOP MARKET HOUSING TO SUBSIDIZE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THAT'S THE IDEA OF AN INCLUSIONARY DEVELOPMENT, RIGHT? THE MARKET HOUSING HAS TO BE SIMILAR OR CAN BE NO, IT, NO, IT CAN BE DIFFERENT. 
          IT CAN BE DIFFERENT. 
          YEAH. 
          SO MY POINT IS CAN BE INSTEAD OF A TOWN HALL, CAN THEY HAVE A SINGLE, WELL, THEY CAN'T ALL FIT. 
          SINGLE FAMILY HOMES DON'T FIT ON ALL THE SITES. 
          BUT YOU ARE, YOU'RE SPLITTING THESE, RIGHT? IF YOU ARE 48 AFFORDABLE IN ONE SITE, ANOTHER 48 IN THE OTHER. 
          CORRECT. 
          BUT ONE, THE TRIAL ANDER PIECE, THE ONE ON 5 41 HAS SINGLE FAMILY AGE RESTRICTED HOMES THAT SITE'S BIG ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THEM. 
          THE OTHER SITES REQUIRE TOWNHOUSES BECAUSE WE, WE HAVE BUFFERS, WE HAVE OTHER, OTHER SITE CONSTRAINTS THAT WE HAVE TO FOLLOW TO KEEP, TO PROTECT NEIGHBORS FROM THE, FROM THE DEVELOPMENT. 
          SIR, IT, IT'S A DENSITY ISSUE. 
          I KNOW. 
          HIGH DENSITY. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          AND BECAUSE WE ARE DEVELOPING THIS HIGH, HIGH DENSITY PROPERTIES, THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          CORRECT? THAT IS MY CONCERN BECAUSE THE TRAFFIC ALONG CHURCH AND AIR STILL AND FOSTER THEM, THEY'RE ALL FUNNEL INTO THE UNDERSTOOD INTO THE ONE AREA. 
          YES. 
          THAT'S MY CONCERN. 
          WHY DIDN'T THEY MOVE TO A DIFFERENT AREA? WE HAVE A LIMITED AMOUNT OF LAND AVAILABLE. 
          THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST ROUND. 
          AND WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT ABLE TO BUILD, WE HAVE TO INCLUDE IN THE, THE, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS HAVE TO BE INCLUSIVE TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS WE'RE DEVELOPING. 
          WE CAN'T PUT AFFORDABLE IN ONE AREA AND THEN A WHOLE NOTHER SITE FOR MARKET RATE HOMES. 
          THEY HAVE TO ALL BE CO-MINGLED. 
          SO WE, SO WE NEED TO EACH OTHER TO THE DENSITY NEEDS TO BE INCREASED IN THE AVAILABLE SITES. 
          I THAT'S, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE PART. 
          I'M TALKING ABOUT THE MARKET. 
          UH, THEY, THEY, THE MARKET RATES HAVE TO BE WITH THE AFFORDABLE, THEY HAVE TO BE INTEGRATED. 
          THEY HAVE TO BE PART OF THE COMMUNITY. 
          YOU CAN'T ISOLATE. 
          THE NEIGHBORHOOD HAS TO BE INTEGRATED. 
          YOU CAN'T ISOLATE THE AFFORDABLES. 
          THESE ARE RULES ESTABLISHED BY THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, BUT THESE TWO ARE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING. 
          YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT ALMOST 300 TOWN HOMES ON ONE ANOTHER, 200. 
          AND THEY'RE ONLY NOT EVEN HALF A MILE APART. 
          CORRECT. 
          MR. PRIME, 
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IF I MAY, YES. 
          THERE WAS AN ULTIMATELY, I, I DON'T WANNA MISQUOTE THE NUMBER, BUT THERE WAS A FEW PARCELS, AND AGAIN, WE HAVE TO DISCUSS EVERYTHING NORTH OF 70. 
          EVERYTHING BELOW 70 IS PINE, IS PILINGS RESTRICTED. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND WE CAN'T BUILD ANYTHING THERE. 
          SO WE HA IF TO BUILD THESE COMMUNITIES, IT HAS TO HAPPEN NORTH OF 70. 
          I APOLOGIZE TO EVERYONE IN THIS ROOM THAT THIS IS HAPPENING AGAIN. 
          BUT, BUT DEAR WYATT TENDS TO BE SO CLOSE TO YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR NOT ACCEPTING MY APOLOGY, BUT I'LL CONTINUE. 
          SO THE ISSUE WE HAVE IS NORTH OF 70, THERE'S ONLY SO MANY PARCELS, RIGHT? BUT ALLOCATION OF THESE UNITS. 
          WHY THE TWO HIGH DENSITY DEVELOPMENTS? THEY'RE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          THAT'S WHERE THE PARCELS EXIST, SIR. 
          YEAH, BUT THE A 60 IS FURTHER AWAY. 
          NO, IT'S NOT. 
          YEAH, THEY, THEY, THEY'RE, THEY, THE RESTRICTION IS CLOSE TO MOUNT HOLLYWOOD. 
          WELL, BUT THEY'RE ALL INTEGRATED. 
          THEY'RE ALL, WELL, THEY'RE INTEGRATED WITH THE TRAFFIC. 
          WE ARE CHANNELING THESE TWO HIGH DENSITY GOVERNMENT RIGHT INTO CHURCH. 
          IT'S A, IT'S A COMBINATION OF THE QUALITY OF THE LAND, THE LACK OF WETLANDS CONSTRAINTS, THE PROXIMITY TO THE TOWNSHIP SEWER PLANT. 
          ALL THOSE FACTORS INDICATE THAT THE SITES ARE AVAILABLE, SUITABLE AND AVAILABLE FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR HIGH DENSITY, BOTH HIGH FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I KNOW WHY THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS FINE, BUT YOU HAVE MARKET VALUE THERE. 
          THE HIGH DENSITY TOO. 
          I UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT, BUT I CAN'T ANSWER ANY FURTHER. 
          WE'VE ANSWERED IT ALREADY. 
          ARE YOU, ARE YOU, WHAT'S THE RECOMMENDATION YOU'RE, YOU'RE PUTTING FORWARD? I I DON'T KNOW WHY THOSE TWO HAS TO BE SO CLOSE TO EACH OTHER. 
          THE PARCELS, THE ACTUAL PHYSICAL PARCELS HAVE TO BE SO CLOSE TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          YES. 
          SO IT COULD WE, IF YOU HAVE CONTROL OVER IT, IF YOU MAKE THEM JUST FURTHER AWAY OR CHANGE THE, UH, ALLOCATION OF THOSE HIGH DENSITY UNITS MARKET, IT'S A GEOGRAPHICAL PROBLEM THAT, THAT'S WHERE THOSE PARCELS EXIST. 
          WELL, I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          IT MAY BE THE BUILDER WANTS MORE, MAKE MONEY AND HAVE THOSE, UH, THE TOWN HOMES. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANKS FOR YOUR COMMENTS. 
          THANK, UH, PATRICK MURRAY 13 BROWNING COURT. 
          SO, UH, OBVIOUSLY YOUR GUYS' MINDS ARE MAY NOT RELATIVELY NEW TO MED FIRST. 
          SO JUST A COUPLE OF CLARIFYING QUESTIONS. 
          THESE PLANS THAT ARE REFERENCED, THEY'RE ON THE WEBSITE, I ASSUME. 
          OKAY. 
          THE VERY FIRST LINK, SIR. 
          ARE THEY GONNA GET DISTRIBUTED VIA MAIL TO CITIZENS OR THE AMENDED AFFORDABLE, UH, HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN IS ON THE WEBSITE. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ONE THAT'S BEING DISCUSSED TONIGHT. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN 171 OF THESE, UH, UNITS ARE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING? THEY ARE AFFORDABLE? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY TOTAL UNITS IS IT? 785. 
          WHOA. 
          OKAY. 
          AND THEN HOW MANY OF THOSE 785 WERE AGE RESTRICTED? NOT AGE RESTRICTED. 
          SO IN OTHER WORDS, GONNA HAVE IMPACT ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? BEAR WITH ME. 
          YEP. 
          5 33 OF THE 649 MARKET HOUSES, MARKET RATE HOUSES NOT AFFORDABLE. 
          252 30 8% ARE AGE RESTRICTED. 
          SO 252 ARE AGE RESTRICTED OF THE SIX FOOT WILL BE MARKET, MARKET RATE HOUSING FOR OKAY. 
          AROUND 400 DOWN. 
          GOT IT. 
          SO IS THAT ALL KIRBY'S ELEMENTARY OR IS THAT, IS THAT A, IS THAT A FUTURE CONVERSATION? IS THAT THAT'LL ULTIMATELY BE UP TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT? HOW THEY WANT TO ALLOCATE? YES. 
          WOW. 
          OKAY. 
          ARE YOU GUYS GONNA VOTE THIS EVENING? WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR THE RESOLUTION TO AMEND. 
          COOL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI, UH, ANTHONY , SIX MARKFIELD COURT IN MEDFORD. 
          UH, JUST HAVE, HAVE A COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          WHERE THE NEW PROPER, WHERE THE NEW, UM, AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND, UH, MARKET REHOUSING IS GOING TO BE SITUATED. 
          UM, ARE THERE PROPERTIES 
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AND IS THERE MARKET RATE HOMES ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY THAT THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD ON CURRENTLY? IN OTHER WORDS, WHICH ONE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? YOU'RE, YOU'RE BUILDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING AMONGST MARKET RATE HOMES, CORRECT? IN IN THIS PARTICULAR, ON, ON THREE DIFFERENT SITES. 
          RIGHT? ON THREE DIFFERENT SITES. 
          BUT WITHIN IT'S ONE SITE. 
          UM, AND EXCUSE ME FOR NOT KNOWING THIS. 
          IT'S ON, IT'S ON THREE DIFFERENT SITES. 
          NOT THROUGHOUT THE COMMUNITY, BUT IN ONE, IT'S ONE REGION. 
          IT'S ONE REGION OF THE, OF THE TOWN. 
          RIGHT. 
          THEY'RE THREE SEPARATE PROPERTIES. 
          BUT THEY'RE, THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS, BUT, BUT THEY'RE CONTIGUOUS. 
          SO THEY'RE NOT REALLY THREE SEPARATE PARTS OF TOWN. 
          WELL, THEY'RE OWNED SEPARATELY. 
          AND THEY'RE SEPARATE OWNERSHIP. 
          THEY'RE, YEAH, THEY'RE SEPARATE PARCELS. 
          SEPARATE PARCELS, BUT ADJACENT TO ONE ANOTHER. 
          CORRECT. 
          WELL, I'M SORRY. 
          I MEAN, ONE OF THEM ISN'T. 
          THE KIRBY'S MILLS ARE ACROSS THE STREET FROM, FROM, FROM THE OTHER. 
          SO THERE, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH MARKET RATE HOMES IN THE AREA WHERE, WHERE THESE PROPERTIES THAT THE AFFORDABLE HOMES ARE GONNA BE PUT. 
          MY POINT IS, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO INCREASE THE DENSITY OF HOMES NEAR, NEAR HOMES THAT ARE NOT GONNA BE MARKET RATE? SO YOU'RE JUST GONNA BASICALLY CLOG UP, YOU KNOW, THE TOWN WITH ADDITIONAL HOMES THAT I DON'T THINK ANY OF US WANT BUILD. 
          I JUST, I JUST EXPLAINED THAT. 
          WELL, I I'M SORRY I MISSED IT. 
          IF YOU COULD EXPLAIN IT IN, IN ORDER TO BUILD AN AFFORDABLE HOUSE, IT HAS TO BE BUILT FOR LESS. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          IT HAS TO BE SOLD FOR LESS THAN WHAT IT COSTS TO BUILD IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND THAT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THE STATE SAYS YOU HAVE TO GIVE THE BUILDER THE RIGHT TO BUILD FOUR HOUSES, MARKET HOUSES THEY CAN SELL FOR WHATEVER RATE, FOR EVERY ONE THAT THEY SUBSIDIZE. 
          SO THAT'S THE LAW. 
          SO IT DOESN'T, IT THAT DOESN'T REALLY HAVE A LOT TO DO WITH HOW MANY HOMES ARE AFFORDABLE IN A PARTICULAR AREA. 
          IT IS FORCED UPON US TO BE ABLE TO ALLOW ADDITIONAL HOUSING IN A PARTICULAR AREA. 
          YOU LIPS TO GOD'S EARS, SIR. 
          YEAH, WE DON'T, WE, WE WANT TO BUILD THE AFFORDABLE UNITS. 
          WE CAN'T AFFORD TO DO IT OURSELVES. 
          SO WE'RE FORCED TO GO DOWN THIS PATH AND, AND AS, AS TRUE AS IT COMES. 
          THANKS. 
          I'M, I'M, I'M, YEAH. 
          LEARNING HERE AS I KNOW AS WELL. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          THAT'S FINE. 
          ONE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS THAT WITHIN THE COMMUNITY, AND YOU GUYS BASICALLY HAVE TO DEFER TO THE, THE SCHOOLS AND WHO, UH, MUNICIPALITY IN TERMS OF WHETHER WE CAN SEWAGE AND ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT IF THAT, THAT THE TOWN CAN HANDLE IT. 
          SO BASICALLY WE'RE GONNA, RIGHT HERE, WE'RE GONNA, YOU GUYS ARE GONNA APPROVE AND MEASURE TO HAVE ADDITIONAL HOMES BUILT WITHOUT THE COMMUNITY KNOWING WHETHER WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT WITH THE INFRASTRUCTURE IS, IS THAT WHAT I'M HEARING? YES. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. 
          YOU WE'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT. 
          NO. 
          SO WHY ARE, WHY ARE WE AS A TOWN, GONNA MOVE FORWARD WITH A PLAN THAT THAT PANEL CAN'T SUPPORT? BECAUSE IF WE DON'T, THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, I UNDERSTAND WHAT THE STATE CAN DO. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU GUYS EXPLAINED THAT. 
          I HEARD THAT. 
          WE WILL BE ABLE, WELL, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT PART OF IT. 
          WE'LL BE ABLE TO SUPPORT IT IN THE SENSE THAT WE HAVE TO SUPPORT IT. 
          WE HAVE TO PROVIDE MUNICIPAL, HAVE WE HAVE TO, HOW ARE WE GONNA SUPPORT IT? I WANNA KNOW HOW WE'RE GONNA SUPPORT. 
          WE HAVE TO BE, ALL OF OUR TAXES HAVE BEEN RAISED SIGNIFICANTLY. 
          YEAH. 
          THERE'S NEW PEOPLE MOVING INTO THIS TOWN. 
          'CAUSE IT'S A QUAINT, CUTE, BEAUTIFUL LITTLE TOWN. 
          WE AGREE. 
          WOULDN'T YOU LIKE TO KEEP IT THAT WAY, SIR? WE'RE NOT, WE'RE NOT GONNA FIGHT IT ALL AT ALL. 
          WE'RE JUST GOING TO ALLOW THE, THE LOUD, THE STATE, BECAUSE THEY WANT EVERYWHERE ELSE. 
          WE'RE GONNA ALLOW THE STATE TO ROLL MEDFORD. 
          THAT'S WHAT WE'RE BASICALLY SAYING. 
          WE'RE LAYING DOWN. 
          WE'RE SAYING, WE'RE SAYING WE DON'T, WE DON'T HAVE THE TOOLS. 
          WE MAY NOT HAVE THE INFRASTRUCTURE. 
          YEP. 
          BUT WHO CARES? WHO CARES? YOU GOTTA THROW IT ON US. 
          FEED US UP. 
          MAKE THE TAXES HIGH. 
          I CAN AFFORD TO LIVE HERE. 
          NOW. 
          CAN I AFFORD TO LIVE HERE IN FIVE TO 10 YEARS? PROBABLY. 
          DO I WANT TO BE HERE? NO, NOT WITH THE KIND OF TAXES. 
          YOU GUYS ARE GONNA HAVE TO BE FORCED TO RAISE US BECAUSE WE'RE LAYING DOWN AND I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BATTLE. 
          OKAY. 
          I UNDERSTAND IT'S A BATTLE WITH THE STATE. 
          BUT WHY ARE WE ROLLING OVER NOW? PLUS, LET ME ASK THIS QUESTION. 
          HOW LONG DO WE HAVE TO COMPLY? 10 YEARS. 
          10 YEARS. 
          WE HAVE 10. 
          SO TODAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD A THOUSAND HOUSES BECAUSE IN 10 YEARS WE'RE GONNA BE FACED WITH THIS INSTEAD OF TRYING TO A, THERE'S A DECEMBER 31ST. 
          NO, NO. 
          WE HAVE, THERE'S, THERE'S ROUNDS, THERE'S CONTRACT, THERE'S ROUNDS OF EVERY AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBLIGATION. 
          THIS IS THE FOURTH ROUND. 
          FROM 2025 TO 2035. 
          WITHIN THOSE 10 YEARS, THE TOWN HAS TO PROVIDE THOSE A HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE OH FOUR. 
          SO WHY ARE WE DOING IT TODAY? WELL, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO DO IT. 
          YOU HAVE TO. 
          WELL, WE DON'T HAVE TO DO IT TODAY. 
          WE HAVE 10 YEARS TO DO IT. 
          AND THE LAWS CAN CHANGE. 
          WE CAN GET ANOTHER GOVERNOR THAT DECIDES BAD IDEA. 
          LET'S HAVE A CONVERSATION. 
          YOU'RE NOT FIGHTING FOR US 
          [02:05:01]
FIGHTING CONVERSATION BECAUSE EVERYBODY IN THIS ROOM WANTS THIS. 
          NONE OF YOU ARE FIGHTING FOR US. 
          WE DON'T WANT IT EITHER. 
          THE PLAN STICK NOT SO WE TELL HIM TO STICK IT, MR. PRIME EXCUSE, THEN THEY, THEN THEY'LL SUE US AND WE GOTTA GO BACK AND WE GOTTA APPEAR IN COURT AND WE GOTTA FIGHT IT. 
          DO YOU WANT TO DO THAT? YES. 
          LIFE. 
          YOU GUYS SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR US. 
          YEAH, YOU WERE VOTED IN BY US. 
          YOU SHOULD BE FIGHTING FOR US. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I WOULD NEVER SEEN MORE OF A GROUP OF PEOPLE BEING NAUGHTY. 
          NAUGHTY. 
          DON'T EXPECT MUCH UNDER THE CHRISTMAS TREES. 
          . 
          DO THE RESIDENTS WANT TO KNOW WHY THEY'RE PUSHING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT? SO PRESIDENT, SO WHY YOU GUYS ARE, EXCUSE ME, SANTA, COULD YOU JUST PROVIDE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS PLEASE? YES. 
          SANTA PAUL, PLEASE. 
          NO, I IDENTIFY SANTA PAUL AND I SANTA CLAUSE . 
          I TRY. 
          I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN, THIS IS OUTTA CONTROL. 
          WE'RE GONNA MOVE FORWARD. 
          NOW, RESIDENT. 
          THE THE REASON WHY EVERYBODY'S SO CONFUSED WHY THERE'S THIS PUSH FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT IS IS THIS GENTLEMAN HERE. 
          HIS SON IS ACTUALLY ON THE COUNTY REPUBLICAN PARTY. 
          THIS IS A REPUBLICAN PUSH, IS BILL, BILL, BILL. 
          THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT MIKE AND BETHANY HAVE AND MORE THESE, YOU'LL HAVE IT NEXT YEAR. 
          PLEASE ADDRESS COUNSEL, THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE THAT DON'T, PLEASE DON'T INTERRUPT ME. 
          PLEASE ADDRESS THE COUNSEL. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THE AMOUNT OF PRESSURE, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME, EXCUSE ME ON THIS, COUNSEL. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          YOU NEED TO ADDRESS THE COUNSEL OR YOU'RE GOING TO BE ASKED TO SIT DOWN. 
          THAT'S YOUR POLICY. 
          YES. 
          THIS NOT, THIS IS OUR POLICY. 
          THAT'S NOT LAW. 
          IT IS OUR ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S POLICY. 
          AND THIS IS WHAT YOU CAN DO WITH YOUR POLICY. 
          PLEASE CONTINUE. 
          SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS. 
          THIS IS WHY THEY'RE PUSHING FOR THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          FIVE YEARS AGO, MY NEIGHBOR, MR. TINGER, APPARENTLY APPROACHED YOUR SOLICITOR ACCORDING TO THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING AND SAID HE NEEDED HELP. 
          AND WHAT HE DID WAS HE PUT A WHOLE FARM IN NEED OF AREA REDEVELOPMENT. 
          NOW, HOW DOES THAT HAPPEN? DEPUTY MIKE, HOW DOES A FARM BECOME FIVE YEARS AGO? HOW DO YOU REZONE THAT TO AN AREA REDEVELOPMENT A FARM? NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO, NO. 
          YOU WANNA ANSWER OR NOT? DAVE? I WOULD WANT YOU TO ANSWER IT, NOT HIM. 
          OKAY? I'M GONNA ANSWER IT. 
          OKAY? AND I WASN'T HERE FIVE YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY? BUT YOUR BUDDY RIGHT HERE WAS YOU VOTED. 
          HOW DID THIS HAPPEN? HOW DID THIS PROPERTY, HOW DO YOU REDEVELOP A FARM? A FARM, NOT A CITY IN CAMDEN, A ROW STREET IN CAMDEN. 
          YOU REDEVELOPED AN AREA OF REDEVELOPMENT FOR A FARM. 
          A HUNDRED ACRES. 
          HAPPY MR. WATSON. 
          WHAT WAS THE REASON? I THINK THE RESIDENTS DESERVE THIS IS WHERE THIS BIG DEVELOPMENT'S GOING. 
          HE IS SAYING THIS DEVELOPMENT WAS DROPPED ON HIS LAP. 
          OKAY? WHAT I'M SAYING IS, FIVE YEARS AGO, HE, YOU GUYS REZONED THIS. 
          WHY? RIGHT? THERE'S NO ANSWERS. 
          THERE'S NO REASON. 
          IF YOU CARE, DEPUTY MIKE, IF YOU CARE, YOU WOULD GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THIS. 
          BECAUSE THE REASON WHY THIS IS A PROBLEM IS THAT'S WHY HE NEVER LOOKED INTO THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. 
          BECAUSE HE ALREADY PICKED OUT THE LAND. 
          DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT BETHANY? DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND THAT? APPARENTLY NOT. 
          YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. 
          I WASN'T HERE FIVE YEARS AGO EITHER. 
          THAT'S NOT I KNOW. 
          BUT THEN ASK, ASK HIM WHY DID HE REZONE? HOW DOES A FARM NOW YOU CAN BUILD ON WHITELANDS. 
          THAT'S WHAT HE DID. 
          YOU'RE SAYING YOU LEFT THIS TOWN BETTER. 
          . 
          ARE YOU KIDDING? CRAZY. 
          WHO RE WHO PUT THE WHOLE FARM IN AN AREA OF THE REDEVELOPMENT? YOU CAN'T ANSWER ME. 
          I'LL GIVE YOU ONE MINUTE. 
          I WON'T INTERRUPT YOU. 
          I HAVE NOTHING TO SAY TO YOU, DAVID. 
          RIGHT? GOOD ANSWER. 
          THAT'S WHAT YOUR ATTORNEY WOULD SAY. 
          DON'T ANSWER IT BECAUSE FIVE YEARS AGO IT WAS AWFUL SHADY WHEN COVID WAS GOING ON. 
          REMEMBER FOLKS ROUND FOUR, WE HAD NO IDEA IT WAS DROPPED ON YOUR LAP. 
          THIS GUY CALLS ME A LIAR AT THE LAST MEETING ABOUT THIS PROPERTY DEAL. 
          BY THE WAY, YOU'RE A REALTOR. 
          WHAT HAPPENS TO THE COST WHEN YOU RE WHEN YOU REZONE THAT, WHAT HAPPENS? 
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GUESS WHAT? THE GUY MAKES AN EXTRA $500,000. 
          WOW. 
          DID THE TOWNSHIP GET THAT? BECAUSE WE COULD'VE USED SOME EXTRA PLOW TRUCKS. 
           MY DEVELOPMENT. 
          NOT ONE PLOW TRUCK. 
          48 HOURS. 
          48 HOURS. 
          NOT ONE TRUCK. 
          NOT NOT JUST MY DEVELOPMENT, MY NEIGHBOR'S DEVELOPMENT. 
          NOT ONE PLOW SHOP. 
          MY TAXES WENT UP $1,800. 
          AND YOU GUYS ARE REZONING FORMS FOR AREA REDEVELOPMENT. 
          WHY? YOU'RE TELLING ME I CAN'T PARK TRUCKS AT MY FARM? THIS IS REDEVELOPED. 
          'CAUSE WHAT I'M SAYING TO YOU IS, ONE MINUTE MR. CARON. 
          THAT'S WHY HE DIDN'T LOOK TO ANYTHING ELSE. 
          DID ANY OF YOU GUYS MEET WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING OF MOUNT LAUREL, THE NEW GROUP THAT WAS FORMED? ANYBODY? GUESS WHAT? THEY SIT THERE, THERE WAITING. 
          NOT ONE COUNCIL MEMBER REACHED OUT TO THEM. 
          INSTEAD, IT, IT'S NOT GONNA WORK ANY LONGER IN 2026, MIKE, IT'S NOT. 
          DON'T RENEW THAT CONTRACT. 
          DON'T RENEW THIS CONTRACT. 
          AND I GOT YOUR BACK. 
          PLEASE. 
          IT'S NOT ENOUGH AT THIS POINT TO SAY THIS WAS BEFORE ME. 
          THIS DEVELOPMENT THAT YOU GUYS TALK ABOUT. 
          YOU MEANT YOU MAKE IT SOUND LIKE IT'S LIKE 50 HOMES. 
          MIKE, DID YOU TALK TO THE SCHOOL DISTRICT ABOUT, ABOUT THE, THE HOUSING? BECAUSE I, I KNOW I'VE TALKED TO SOME PEOPLE. 
          TELL ME, LOOK AT ME IN THE FACE AND SAY YOU, THE SCHOOL DISTRICT 100% KNEW THIS, THIS AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS COMING IN. 
          ALRIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          YES. 
          YOUR TIME IS GONE. 
          NOT TRUE. 
          AND EVERYBODY, THE SCHOOL'S LYING AND THE PEOPLE AT THE SCHOOL, OH MAN, YOU ARE ON, ON THE RIGHT SIDE. 
          WHAT HAPPENS? THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS DONE. 
          THANK YOU FOR PEOPLE IN THE PUBLIC. 
          I HAD A MEETING WITH THEM. 
          DO NOT DENY THAT MOVE FROM THE SCHOOL DISTRICT SCHOOL BOARD MONTHS AGO. 
          WHEN YOU TALK TO ME, I DON'T EVEN KNOW YOU, MIKE. 
          TIME GETTING HARDER, MAN. 
          DO THE RIGHT THING TONIGHT. 
          GET RID OF THIS GUY. 
          GET RID OF HIM. 
          IT'S TIME FOR NICK. 
          CHANGE YOU. 
          YOUR YOUR TIME IS DONE. 
          NOW YOU'RE GONNA CHANGE YOU GOT IT? GOT IT. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOUR TIME IS DONE. 
          WE'LL SUPPORT YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          WE'LL SUPPORT YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M NOT GONNA NEED A MICROPHONE. 
          MY NAME IS JAMES JEFFERSON. 
          I'VE LIVED HERE FOR 50 YEARS. 
          I HAVE FRIENDS HERE. 
          I HAVE FRIENDS HERE. 
          I'M THE PRESIDENT OF THE BEDFORD BUSINESS NETWORK. 
          I HAVE A WHOLE DIFFERENT ANGLE ON THIS. 
          HOW MANY OF YOU ON A, ON A SUMMERS NIGHT WHEN IT'S ABOUT 85 DEGREES OUT, 85% COMMITTEE, YOU MAKE A RIGHT ON STATION ROAD, YOU KNOW WHAT YOU HEAR? PINES TREE FROGS, THEY'RE PROTECTED BY FEDERAL LAW. 
          FEDERAL LAW PROTECTS THOSE TREE FROGS. 
          ADDITIONALLY, THERE ARE INDIANA BATS, WHICH ARE ALSO PROTECTED BY FEDERAL LAW ON THE OTHER PROPERTIES. 
          THERE ARE AT LEAST THREE ENDANGERED SPECIES THAT I HAVE PICTURES OF AND HAVE WITNESSED ON ALL THREE PROPERTIES. 
          ENDANGERED SPECIES, FEDERAL LAW, YOU CANNOT BUILD THERE. 
          I'M DONE. 
          HOW YOU DOING? MY NAME'S PATRICK DUFF. 
          I'M NOT GONNA GIVE MY, UH, ADDRESS. 
          UM, AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO GIVE YOUR NAME OR ADDRESS. 
          EVERYBODY. 
          SOMEBODY KNOWS. 
          THEY ACT LIKE YOU DO, BUT YOU DON'T. 
          UM, MR. PRY MADE SOME COMMENTS EARLIER THAT HE WAS JUST PAID A NOMINAL FEE FOR HIS WORK OVER AT STOKE FARMS IN THE NINETIES IS $3.5 MILLION NOMINAL MONEY FROM US. 
          SO I'M GONNA READ WHAT THIS IS FROM THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          THIS IS, UH, FROM THE OFFICE OF INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          IT SAID THAT, UH, THE LAND WAS SOLD FOR 28,000 146, 20 $8,145 AN ACRE. 
          AND THE LANDOWNERS RECEIVED 12,500, MEANING METRO AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          GOT THE REST OF THAT AT $6.25 MILLION. 
          THAT MEANS YOU GOT A CHECK FOR ABOUT $3.5 MILLION. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, MR. TRUMP? THAT'S NOT TRUE. 
          IT SAYS IT RIGHT HERE IN, IN IN OFFICE INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          PROVE IT. 
          AND THE OFFICER, YOU, YOU ALSO STATED THAT, UH, THAT MR. SMOS RECEIVED SOMETHING FROM THE DEAL. 
          AND IN HERE, THIS, THIS IS DIRECTLY FROM THE, UH, THE REPORT FROM THE OFFICE. 
          INSPECTOR GENERAL. 
          IT STATES THAT HE DIDN'T RECEIVE ANYTHING FROM THE DEAL. 
          UH, AND THAT EVEN THOUGH HE HAD A, UH, AN AGREEMENT FOR SALE THAT MET FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS THE ONLY ONLY COMPANY THAT RECEIVED THE PAYMENT. 
          [02:15:02]
UM, SO YOU'RE SAYING THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT IS LYING? THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR, INSPECTOR GENERAL, UH, INVESTIGATED THE MATTER AND FOUND THERE WAS NOTHING WRONG WITH THE, UH, TRANSACTION. 
          WELL, THE, BUT YOU, YOU, I'M LOOKING AT IT. 
          YOU, YOU WAIT, WAIT. 
          RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THE TOWNSHIP, SO YOU WERE INVOLVED, RIS ASSOCIATES HAD AN AGREEMENT FOR THAT SAME LAND, CORRECT. 
          THAT WAS OWNED BY STEVEN SAMOS. 
          SO RS ASSOCIATES STEPPED AWAY, BUT YOU STEPPED IN AND TOOK CONTROL OF THAT LAND AND RECEIVED THE PAYMENT FOR IT. 
          NOW, WHAT'S INTERESTING IS SAMOS IS SUING THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT NOW IN A BUILDER REMEDY SUIT THAT HE'S REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP FOR. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING A CONFLICT OF INTEREST. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          HE'S NOT SUING A, HE'S NOT SUING FOR, HE'S AN INTERESTED PARTY. 
          LISTEN, LISTEN. 
          HE FILED AN IN PARTY. 
          YOU SHUT UP. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHO YOU ARE. 
          LET'S FIND OUT. 
          LISTEN, I'M RIGHT HERE. 
          JUST SHOW. 
          LISTEN. 
          HE FILED AS AN INTERESTED PARTY, CORRECT. 
          LISTEN, LISTEN. 
          HE FILED AN INTERESTED PARTY. 
          HIS OBJECTIONS WERE DENIED BY THE COURT. 
          AND HE'S THE ONE GONNA FILE THE BUILD M SUIT. 
          AND, AND I'M NOT REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP ON HIS LAWSUIT. 
          YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP. 
          NORMAN IS REPRESENTING THEM. 
          YOU'RE REPRESENTING THE TOWNSHIP ON WHAT YOU FILED IN JANUARY OF THIS. 
          THAT'S CORRECT. 
          JANUARY OF THIS YEAR. 
          AND THE COURT, WHICH, BY THE WAY, WHAT YOU FILED, YOU WANNA KNOW THE ANSWER. 
          ARE YOU GONNA ARGUE WITH ME? NO, LET ME LET, IT WAS DENIED. 
          AM I HIS OBJECTIONS WERE DENIED. 
          DONE, FINISHED. 
          YOUR, YOUR PLAN WITH, WITH, WITH, UM, WITH, UM, DR. HORTON IS EXACTLY WHY HE'S GONNA SUE THE TOWNSHIP. 
          NO, HE'S NOT. 
          IT'S EXACTLY WHY HE WILL. 
          NO, HE'S NOT MR. MR. MR. HE CAN'T, MR. CRIME, MR. IT'S TOO LATE OUTTA A TIME. 
          YOU WHAT? HOW MUCH DID YOU RECEIVE FROM THE SALE OF THAT PROPERTY? THAT'S ALL CLIENT INFORMATION. 
          I'M NOT GONNA TELL YOU. 
          IT'S ALL CLIENT, PRIVATE CLIENT INFORMATION. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT'S SO 40 YEARS AGO, JERK OFF CALLED OFF BY YOUR SON AND BY AND BY ME WHEN YOU KNOW SOMEBODY'S WRONG IS WHEN THEY'RE CALLING PEOPLE NAMES. 
          OKAY? NOW, I AM READING FROM THE OFFICE OF THE INSPECTOR GENERAL REPORT. 
          YOU AS A COUNCIL, NEED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT REPORT AND, AND HOLD HIM ACCOUNTABLE FOR RAPING YOUR TOWNSHIP FOR MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN THE NINETIES. 
          HE WROTE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING LAWS IN THE EIGHTIES, UH, FROM 83 TO 86, HE WROTE LAWS THAT HAD SO MANY HOLES IN HIM THAT YOU DROVE A TRUCK THROUGH AT 96 AND THEN TOOK THE TOWNSHIP FOR $6.25 MILLION. 
          HOW CAN YOU REPRESENT THE TOWNSHIP IF YOU CLAIMING THAT YOU HAVE NO CONFLICT WITH BUILDERS WHEN YOU'RE THE BUILDER THEMSELF? IN 1987, WHEN YOU LEFT THE TOWNSHIP, YOU, YOU STARTED THREE CORPORATIONS. 
          YOU STARTED A DEVELOPMENT CORPORATION, A REAL ESTATE AND INVESTMENT CORPORATION. 
          AM I RIGHT? AM I CORRECT? YES, YOU DID. 
          AND WITH THOSE CORPORATIONS AND WITH MEDCOR, AFFORDABLE HOUSING INC. 
          WHICH INTEREST INTERESTING. 
          IS A SUBDIVIDED PORTION OF THE PROPERTY. 
          AND YOU SOLD THAT PROPERTY TO, UH, MR. WAS IT SAME AS, UH, WA WHO WA YEAH. 
          TO MS. WAAC. 
          WHO WAS WHO? WHO'D SHE WANT? SHE'S A REALTOR. 
          THAT'S RIGHT. 
          STEVE BRICK. 
          SHE WORKED FOR STEVE BRICKS. 
          STEVE BRICK. 
          YOU SOLD THAT PROPERTY TO HER. 
          $400,000 NOW ONLY 600, $6.25 MILLION. 
          YOU ANOTHER ONE MINUTE, MR. DUFF, FOR THE SUBDIVIDED PROPERTY. 
          ONE MINUTE PLEASE. 
          TO MEDFORD. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN, NOW ON THE DEED, ON ONE OF THE DEEDS, YOU DRAFTED THE DEED, DEED NUMBER ONE, YOU DRAFTED THE DEED, AND THEN YOU ALSO SIGNED THE DEED AT THE BOTTOM AS, AS THE PERSON AUTHORIZING THE DEED, YOU WERE THE OWNER OF MEDFORD AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          YANK, YOU RECEIVED THE CHECK FOR THAT DEED, BUT YOU PUT AT THE BOTTOM THAT THE PEOPLE RECEIVING THE CHECK WERE ALVIN AND, AND, AND ALVIN GUTTMAN, WHO WAS THE OWNER OF FIELDSTONE, THE INVESTOR FROM PHILADELPHIA, BUT, BUT UNDER IT, YOU LIST THAT'S FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING, YANK AND THEN THE GUTMAN'S ADDRESS. 
          SO, BUT YOU'RE THE ONE THAT RECEIVED THE CHECK AS AUTHORIZED BY MY CLIENT, CORRECT. 
          MR. GUTMAN. 
          AND YOU'RE THE ONE, YOU'RE THE ONE THAT DRAFTED THAT DEED, RIGHT? I DON'T, I DON'T EVEN REMEMBER NOW THE OTHER IT'S 40 YEARS AGO. 
          YOU DID DRAFT IT. 
          IT'S ON THE DEED. 
          AND WHAT'S THE, THE OTHER PART, AND JUST, JUST SO I CAN FINISH HERE REAL QUICK. 
          THERE IS, THERE IS A DEED DRAFTED WITH MRS. LIGHTFOOT WHO WAS IN A, UH, UM, AN OLD PEOPLE'S HOME, MEDFORD LEE'S, WHO HAD DEMENTIA AT THE TIME. 
          ONE OF THE, ONE OF THE, UH, AUTHORIZATIONS SAID SHE WAS IN FLORIDA SIGNING. 
          AND MR. DUFF, THAT IS YOUR TIME. 
          AND ANOTHER ONE SAID SHE WAS IN METRO. 
          THANK YOU MR. DUFF, VERY QUICKLY. 
          THANK YOU MR. DUFF. 
          LAST TIME, MR. SURROUNDING POLICE DEPART. 
          DUFF, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          SPEAK. 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          YOU LET THE WOMAN THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          STOP IT. 
          YOU LET MR. DUFF THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I'M REQUESTING ONE MORE MINUTE. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          REALLY? THANK YOU. 
          YES, THANK YOU. 
          THIS GUY JUST CALLED ME A JERK OFF. 
          YES. 
          THANK YOU, . 
          THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          THANK YOU. 
          [02:20:07]
DAVE ELLI TO SPENCER COURT. 
          UM, COUPLE QUESTIONS. 
          NUMBER ONE, ALL THE DEVELOPMENT'S BEEN HAPPENING ON THE NORTH SIDE. 
          AND THAT HAS ALWAYS STOOD BY SAYING THAT, WHICH IS PINES. 
          YOU DIDN'T TELL ME THE HISTORY. 
          I I WORKED IN CENTRAL RECORD FOR 45 YEARS, GOING TO ALL DIFFERENT TOWNSHIPS. 
          ARE YOU GONNA TELL ME IN THAT 40, IN THAT 45 YEARS THAT A TOWNSHIP HAS NEVER GOTTEN TO BARENS WHERE THEY CAN BUILD A AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE PINELANDS? NO, I'M NOT TELLING YOU THAT. 
          YEAH, BECAUSE IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          'CAUSE THEY HAVE, AND THERE'S A CASE GOING ON IN JACKSON RIGHT NOW, CORRECT? I DON'T UNDERSTAND. 
          IS NORTH, NORTH OF SEVENTIES BECOME THE DUMPING GRAVES? AND THEY'VE NEVER EVER LOOKED AT ANY OTHER OPTIONS GOING THE SOUTH SIDE. 
          AND THEY'VE ALWAYS STOOD BY THE FACT THAT IT'S PINELANDS. 
          BUT YOU CAN GO TO THE STATE AND GET A VARIANCE AND YOU CAN GO AFFORDABLE HOUSING IN THE PINELANDS. 
          WHY IS THAT NEVER BEEN EXPLORED? BECAUSE HERE'S WHY. 
          HERE'S THE PROBLEM. 
          MY, MY FULL-TIME JOB, I WAS A TEACHER FOR 40 YEARS AND I DEALT WITH THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          I THINK THE AFFORD HOUSING DID GREAT THING. 
          IT GIVES PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO GET A BETTER LIFE. 
          THE PROBLEM IS IN EDUCATION, YOU NEED TO SPREAD IT OUT. 
          YOU CAN'T HAVE IT HAPPEN ALL IN ONE AREA. 
          AND IT WAS ALSO UNFORTUNATE BECAUSE MY FATHER-IN-LAW WAS SUPERINTENDENT AT THE LARGEST DISTRICT IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, CLAUDE AMP. 
          AND WE HAD A LOT OF DISCUSSIONS AND WHO WE HAVE TO TRY TO SPREAD OUT THE COURT HOUSE. 
          HERE'S WHY. 
          WHAT HAPPENS IS THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FOR LOWER INCOME AREAS. 
          A NEW CHURCH IS NOT A FAIR SYSTEM FOR SCHOOLS. 
          YOU GET WHAT YOU'RE PAID FOR IN TAXES. 
          THESE PEOPLE ARE COMING FROM LOW INCOME AREAS WITH VERY LOW PERFORMING SCHOOLS. 
          AND THEY'RE HERE. 
          MEDFORD IS A GREAT SCHOOL DISTRICT, ONE OF THE FINEST IN THE STATE. 
          WE'RE HERE. 
          THIS IS NOT GONNA HAPPEN. 
          IF YOU PUT A LOT OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING CHILDREN WHO COME FROM A LOW EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND INTO A SINGLE SCHOOL LIKE KIRBY'S MILL, THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN. 
          SO MIKE, I THINK WE HAVE TO WELCOME THESE PEOPLE. 
          IT'S GONNA HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT YOU SAID, BUT THE PROBLEM IS, WHY WAS IT NEVER INVESTIGATED WHERE WE COULD DISTRIBUTE THE  HOUSING? WHY HAS THE SOUTHERN PART OF METRO BEEN SO SACRED AND SO PROTECTED AND THE NORTHERN SIDE SALT DOWN THE RIVER? WHAT'S THE ANSWER? THE LIGHT ON IT. 
          I UNDERSTAND SOMETHING. 
          WHY DON'T WE LOOK AT ALTERNATE SITES, SPREAD IT AROUND THE TOWNSHIP TO BE FAIR TO THE RESIDENTS INSTEAD OF THROWING IT ALL IN ALL OUR BACKYARDS, DAVE, ALL THE, ALL THE SITES SOUTH OF 70 IN THE PINE LANDS, THERE ARE NO SITES IN THE REGIONAL GROWTH AREA. 
          PART OF THE PINE LANDS SOUTH OF 70 THAT ARE SUITABLE FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THERE'S NO TRACKS LEFT. 
          THEY'RE ALL DEVELOPED OR THEY'RE ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSTRAINED. 
          THERE'S A, YOU CAN GO TO THE STATE AND GET A VARIANCE. 
          NO, NO, YOU CAN'T. 
          YOU DO IT IN JACKSON RIGHT NOW. 
          I I KNOW THAT, I KNOW THAT, I KNOW JACKSON TOWNSHIP'S CASE. 
          THERE'S A SITE ON STOS ROAD, BUT IT'S IMPACTED BY CORN, SNAKES. 
          THE CORN SNAKES, ENDANGERED SPECIES. 
          THERE'S NO SITES THAT'S SUITABLE THAT'LL PASS COW AND MUSTARD. 
          I KNOW YOU, YOU CAN NOT BELIEVE THAT, BUT BELIEVE ME, IT'S A, IT'S A TRUTH. 
          I, I DON'T, I MEAN, LIKE I SAID, I HAVE YOU ALL, YOU ASKED, YOU'VE BEEN DOING, HAVE YOU LOOKED INTO ANYTHING VIABLE ON THE SOUTH SIDE? HONESTLY, HAPPY I MAKE TO COMMENT THERE. 
          YES. 
          YEAH, THERE IS THERE 60 UNITS THAT MEASURE CROSS WAS ON THE SOUTH SIDE IN THE PINE LAND AS PART OF THE SADDLE DEVELOPMENT. 
          IN ORDER TO GET THAT DENSITY, WE HAD THE DOWN ZONE SURROUNDING AREAS TO INCREASE THE DENSITY IN THAT AREA. 
          'CAUSE THE PINE LAND ONLY ALLOWED CERTAIN DENSITY, PERIOD. 
          AND IF YOU DON'T, IF YOU EXCEED THAT DENSITY, THEY'RE GONNA DEFINE IT. 
          THEY'RE NOT GONNA APPROVE. 
          IT DOESN'T MATTER WHAT THE STATE SAYS. 
          I JUST THINK THAT NORTH, NORTH OF 70, ALL THIS WAS DONE AT OUR EXPENSE. 
          I THINK MEN HAD YEARS AND YEARS. 
          THIS DIDN'T JUST HAPPEN IN THE LAST 10 YEARS. 
          THEY'VE HAD YEARS AND YEARS TO LOOK TO LOOK AT THIS. 
          AND I JUST THINK IT WAS AN INJUSTICE. 
          I THINK SOMETHING ELSE COULD HAVE BEEN DONE TO SPREAD THIS OUT A LITTLE BIT BETTER. 
          THANK, HERE WE GO. 
          BRIAN CARNES TWO 16 CHURCH ROAD, BECKFORD. 
          UM, I'M GONNA COME UP HERE AND TALK ABOUT A FEW THINGS. 
          ONE IS THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE OTHER IS THE THREE THAT ARE LEAVING WATSON, REV STOCK. 
          AND DONNA, IT'S BEEN A LONG ROAD, RIGHT? WE'VE, UH, WE'VE GONE THROUGH A LOT. 
          I'M GONNA ONCE AGAIN 
          [02:25:01]
ASK, DO YOU GUYS HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO OUR MOTHER? YOU ALL THREE ARE ON RECORD CONDEMNING HER, CONDEMNING OUR FARM, AND, AND, AND, AND HAVE ALL AGREED THAT THE $10,000 FINE, DRAGGING HER INTO COURT. 
          WE HAD 12 COURT DATES BECAUSE IT KEPT GETTING POSTPONED. 
          WE WERE IN COURT ON HER BIRTHDAY. 
          SHE'S 81 YEARS OLD WHEN SHE WAS TURNING 82. 
          YOU GUYS DID US REALLY DIRTY. 
          BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, YOU DID OUR MOTHER REALLY DIRTY. 
          AND I'M ASKING BEFORE YOU LEAVE OFFICE, CAN I SHOW HER SOMETHING? SAY YOU'RE SORRY. 
          APOLOGIZE. 
          YOU KNOW YOU'RE WRONG. 
          IT COMMUNITY KNOWS YOU WE'RE WRONG. 
          WHY NOT STEP UP? IT'S YOUR LAST MOMENT TO SAY SOMETHING THAT I CAN GO BACK TO MY MOM AND SAY, LOOK, THEY WERE WRONG. 
          WE WERE WRONG. 
          BRIAN, YOU CAUSED THE PROBLEM FOR YOU, MAMA. 
          YOU KNOW THE RULES AND REGULATIONS. 
          YOU GOT THE PERSON. 
          I HAVE FIVE TRUCKS AT THE FARM RIGHT NOW. 
          DO SOMETHING, DO SOMETHING, FIVE TRUCKS TO FARM RIGHT NOW. 
          I'M NOT EVEN GONNA ENGAGE WITH YOU. 
          SO WHILE YOU GUYS ARE HARASSING US, BRIANNA, SHE SHUT DOWN. 
          BRIANNA'S, YOU CAME AFTER CORNERSTONE TREE SERVICE. 
          DO YOU REALIZE HOW MANY LETTERS I HAVE? NOT FROM MEDFORD TOWNSHIP, BUT FROM TIM PRIME'S LAW FIRM FROM BACK THEN. 
          AT THE SAME TIME, WHEN YOU'RE HARASSING US, DRAGGING MY MOTHER INTO COURT, YOU'RE REZONING 95 OR WHATEVER ACRES TO MAKE IT BUILDABLE. 
          SO IT IS OBVIOUS THAT YOU GUYS DON'T CARE ABOUT FARMS AND THAT YOU DO WANT TO BUILD ON 'EM. 
          AND DONNA, FOR YOU TO SIT THERE AND STILL STICK WITH THE SAME NARRATIVE. 
          YOU DIDN'T LET ME FINISH. 
          GO AHEAD. 
          NOPE. 
          DON, YOU START OUT BY SAYING, IT'S MY FAULT. 
          I'M DONE. 
          I'M I'M DONE. 
          I NEED TO THINK ABOUT THE WORD CONSPIRACY. 
          LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          BRIAN. 
          CONSPIRACY, LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          CO. 
          YEAH. 
          CONSPIRACY. 
          WHAT ARE WE TALKING ABOUT, MIKE? DEMENTIA. 
          WHAT IS SHE TALKING ABOUT? I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW EITHER. 
          OKAY, LET'S JUST, LET'S JUST PASS ON IT AND LEAVE IT ALONE. 
          SO YOU'RE NOT GONNA APOLOGIZE TO OUR MOTHER? NO, I'M NOT. 
          I DIDN'T. 
          OKAY. 
          HOW ABOUT YOU REST? PASTOR CHURCH, COME ON. 
          YOU REALIZE WHEN YOU WERE AT CHURCH, MY MOM'S AT CHURCH TOO, AND IT WAS PROBABLY PRAYER GROUPS THAT ARE ACTUALLY PRAYING FOR THIS WHOLE COURT SYSTEM. 
          DO YOU HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY TO HER ABOUT IT? I'M NOT GONNA COMMENT ON THIS, BRIAN, BUT THANK YOU. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'M NOT KNOW. 
          I ASKED MR. WATSON. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO LET'S MOVE ON TO THIS DEVELOPMENT. 
          NOW, MY BIGGEST ISSUE ISN'T EVEN JUST THE DEVELOPMENT, IT'S THE PROCESS. 
          THOSE INVOLVED, OKAY? I FIND IT VERY HARD TO BELIEVE THAT YOU GUYS FIND MR. PRIME COMPLETELY CREDIBLE. 
          YOU OBVIOUSLY DON'T COMPLETELY KNOW WHAT'S REALLY EVEN GOING ON. 
          YOU TAKE HIS ADVICE, I BELIEVE HE WALKS UP TO YOU AND YOU JUST SIGN STUFF BECAUSE YOU GUYS CAN'T ANSWER QUESTIONS. 
          EVERYTHING IS HAS TO BE ANSWERED BY HIM. 
          AND, AND IT'S A REAL BROKEN SYSTEM. 
          WHEN WE, WHEN WE GET SOME PEOPLE FROM OUR COMMUNITY UP ON TO COUNCIL, AND THEN THEY JUST HAND THE BALL OVER TO SOMEBODY THAT REALLY LACKS CREDIBILITY. 
          I'M GONNA ASK MIKE, DO YOU, DO YOU KNOW IF HE HAS ACTUALLY SUED THE TOWNSHIP AFTER THE LATE NINETIES? HAS, HAS HIS FIRM EVER SUED THE TAXPAYERS HERE? MR. PRIME, HAVE YOU EVER SUED THE TAXPAYERS AFTER LATE NINETIES? I KNOW YOU, YOU SUED US OR THREATENED TO SUE US IN IN 96, BUT I'M ASKING LIKE LATE TWO THOUSANDS OR, OR, OR ANY OF THAT TIME YOU FALL ASLEEP. 
          YES. 
          NO, THIS IS LIKE SATURDAY NIGHT LIVE EXCEPT FOR IT SUCKS, DUDE. 
          IT'S SCARY. 
          OKAY, THERE'S A LOT GOING ON HERE. 
          I KEEP THINKING I'M GETTING PUNKED, BUT THERE'S NOBODY ASTON CHER'S NOT GONNA COME OUT THE DOOR, RIGHT? SO HAVE YOU EVER SUED THE TAXPAYERS HERE? SO I WOULD SAY YES. 
          I WOULD SAY, ARE YOU GONNA SIGN, RENEW HIS CONTRACT IN 2026? MIKE AND BETHANY, ARE YOU PLEASE? NO. 
          PLEASE. 
          BETHANY, ARE YOU GONNA SIGN THAT? DON'T, DON'T. 
          AND BEFORE HE'S, UM, I KNOW I CAN'T TALK BACK THIS WAY, BUT I WANNA SAY THAT WHEN YOU TALKED, WHEN YOU WERE TALKING TO BILL FROM THE PINE BARRENS TRIBUNE, I KNOW WE DIDN'T EXACTLY SUPPORT YOU. 
          ONE QUESTION. 
          IT REALLY WAS, THIS IS A HERE, HEY, I'M NOT SURE IF WE TOOK THE RIGHT PATH. 
          AND, AND YOU ARE, YOU SEEM OPEN-MINDED WHERE EVERYBODY ELSE UP HERE IS COMPLETELY CLOSED-MINDED. 
          YOU'VE ALREADY MADE UP YOUR MIND, YOU'RE STICKING WITH HIM. 
          AND, AND IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. 
          SO ONCE AGAIN, I'M GONNA ASK MIKE, IF YOU DO RESIGN HIM, FIND OUT HOW MANY TIMES HAS THIS GUY SUED THE TAXPAYERS? IT'S A GOOD QUESTION. 
          YOU KNOW, YOU HAVE A BUSINESS, MIKE, YOU HAVE EMPLOYEES. 
          LET'S SAY I WORK FOR YOUR COMPANY AND I FELL AND I JAM YOU UP BIG TIME WITH WORKERS, WORKERS' COMP. 
          AND I SUE YOU. 
          ARE YOU GONNA HIRE 
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ME BACK 10 YEARS LATER IF I DO YOU REALLY DIRTY? I MEAN, CLEAN YOU OUT, MAN, I'M TAKING EVERYTHING ON MY WAY OUT. 
          BUT I I'M GONNA COME BACK. 
          I'M NOT GONNA QUESTION, MAN. 
          BUT YOU GET THE, THAT IS A SILLY QUESTION, BUT THAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED TO AN EMPLOYEE OF MINE. 
          AND IF, IF THEY DESERVED WORKMAN'S COMP, THEY DESERVED THE RIGHT TO WHATEVER THEY NO, WHAT I'M GETTING AT THOUGH, I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, BRIAN. 
          AND THAT'S FIVE MINUTES, MAN. 
          I'M SORRY WE GOT TO THIS POINT, BRIAN. 
          NO, ME TOO. 
          MAN. 
          THIS REALLY SUCKS. 
          AND EVERYTHING'S ABOUT DIVIDING AND I REALLY DO THINK THAT THAT, THAT, AND HOPEFULLY THIS DOESN'T HAPPEN WITH, WITH WITH ES. 
          UM, THAT THE GOP IS SO BROKEN HERE THAT WHEN YOU GUYS DO GET UP ON COUNCIL, YOU DON'T REPRESENT THE COMMUNITY. 
          YOU REPRESENT YOUR ADVISORS AND THE PLANNER AND, AND YOUR TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY. 
          THAT'S WHAT IT COMES DOWN TO. 
          AND YOU'RE TURNING YOUR BACK ON US, MAN. 
          YOU REALLY ARE. 
          THERE'S A LOT OF GOOD PEOPLE THAT COME UP HERE. 
          ONE, MR. GOOD TIME. 
          WE WERE ASKING TO REVIEW THIS DEVELOPMENT, YOU SAID NO, BECAUSE IT'S GONNA, IT'S GONNA COST THE TAXPAYERS. 
          HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST US TO REVIEW THIS DEVELOPMENT? WE, MR. WE HAVE A FULL PLAN. 
          MR. ER INDEPENDENT REVIEW OR NO, WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT, I WANNA KNOW THE STATE REVIEWED IT. 
          NO, I, I COULDN'T CALL. 
          I'VE BEEN UP THERE. 
          AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          PLACE IN CHERRY HILL. 
          LISTEN, IT'S GUIDELINES. 
          YOU TURN IN, YOU COULD TURN IN ANYTHING TO THEM. 
          LET'S FACE IT. 
          HAVE YOU BEEN UP THERE? I'VE BEEN UP THERE THREE TIMES, MAN. 
          BUT CHERRY HILL RIGHT THERE BY COOPER. 
          YOU KNOW WHERE I'M TALKING ABOUT. 
          YO, IT'S GUIDELINES GUYS. 
          THEY'RE NOT CHALLENGING ANYTHING. 
          YOU TURN IT IN AND THEY ACCEPT IT. 
          100% TRUE. 
          SO I I I, WHEN WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT THE STATE AND STUFF LIKE THIS, THANK YOU MR. CAR. 
          THE ALL IS IN YOUR COURT HAVE CONTROL. 
          THANK YOU MR. THIS NOBODY ELSE IS DOING ANYTHING. 
          THANK YOU MR. CORNS. 
          THANK YOU, SIR. 
          ANY LIGHTER SHIRT? THANK YOU FOR YOUR TIME. 
          PAUL STANG, 62 MILL STREET, MEDFORD. 
          UM, I JUST HAVE A COUPLE OF QUESTIONS I WANTED TO KNOW, AND MAYBE I, I'M SURE THIS IS ALL IN ALL THE CALCULATIONS AND I OPINION I'M HEARING SOME OLD TIMEY THINGS THAT I REMEMBER GOING TO THE FIRST MEETING WHERE I THINK THE SEMOS CAME TO CRANBERRY HALL. 
          I THINK BOB VANDA WAS THE MAYOR, WHATEVER. 
          AND HE SAID, OKAY, I WANT A LIBRARY. 
          I WANT, I WANT A COUNCIL BUILDING. 
          I WANT THIS, I WANT THAT. 
          RIGHT. 
          WHEN I WANT TO ASK NOW THOUGH, IS THE EAST TOWN AND AYERS TOWN DEVELOPMENTS, ARE THEY STILL VIABLE? YES. 
          ARE THEY, DO THEY EXIST? UM, NO. 
          NO, THERE ARE NO APPROVALS, MUNICIPAL APPROVALS OR PINELANDS APPROVALS THAT ARE STILL VALID. 
          THERE WAS A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN. 
          I BELIEVE THAT WAS 20 YEARS. 
          IT'S STILL VALID. 
          APRIL OF 2026. 
          I THINK IT EXPIRED. 
          YEAH, IT EXPIRES SHORTLY, BUT IT'S NOT EXPIRED YET. 
          BUT THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO THERE PLANNING BOARD APPROVALS FOR IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO EAST TOWN THOUGH, THEY CAME IN AND THEY IMMEDIATELY BUILT THEIR AFFORDABLE FAIR SHARE HOUSING. 
          HOW MANY UNITS IS THAT? DO WE KNOW? 60. 
          60. 
          60. 
          THAT AREN'T COUNTED? THEY ARE COUNTED. 
          THEY'RE 60. 
          OH, THEY ARE COUNTED AND THEY'RE COUNTED. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT AGAIN, UM, IF THOSE, UH, IF THOSE TWO DEVELOPMENTS, LET'S CALL THEM BECOME VIABLE ONCE AGAIN, HAS THERE ALREADY BEEN LIKE A CALCULATION AS TO WHAT THEY HAVE TO BILL? IS THAT PART OF LIKE SESSION ONE OR SESSION TWO OR THERE ARE STILL 24 UNITS IN MEDFORD CROSSING SOUTH THAT WAS APPROVED, THAT THAT WAS PART OF THE FIRST ROUND PLAN THAT WAS NEVER BUILT. 
          THEY'VE NOW BEEN EXCLUDED FROM THE PLAN. 
          BUT IF THEY EVER BUILD THAT DEVELOPMENT, THAT 24 UNITS IS PART OF ANY APPROVAL. 
          IF IT'S EVER APPROVED AGAIN, DO YOU THINK IT, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD INCREASE UNDER THE NEW CIRCUMSTANCES? NO, NO. 
          THE THE, THERE'S 24 UNITS THERE HAVE TO BE BUILT FROM THE PRIOR ROUND. 
          THERE'S NO NEW REQUIREMENT FOR THAT SITE. 
          OKAY. 
          BECAUSE MY THOUGHT WAS, ALL RIGHT, WELL, YOU KNOW, THERE'S THOSE PROPERTIES, THERE'S THOSE LAND, THERE'S THOSE SEWER PERMITS, THERE'S ALL THAT. 
          RIGHT? AND IT'S A SHAME IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WE CAN'T, WELL, WELL THEY ALREADY BUILT 60 AND THERE'S 24 MORE TO BE BUILT. 
          THAT WAS THE, THAT WAS THE, UH, REDEVELOPMENT PLAN AT THE TIME. 
          THIS WAS DONE WAY BEFORE ANY OF US. 
          OH, CHRIS WAS HERE, BUT 1986 I THINK, OR WHATEVER IT WAS, 88. 
          [02:35:01]
OKAY. 
          YEAH. 
          I WAS JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT HOW THAT ALL FIT INTO THE CIRCUMSTANCES. 
          AND SOMEONE CAME UP SAYING SOMETHING ABOUT THERE'S NO, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS ON THIS SIDE OF ROUTE 70. 
          I HAVE TO DISAGREE. 
          I LIVE ON MILL STREET. 
          I LIVE ACROSS FROM A BRAND NEW DEVELOPMENT BUILDING. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          HELINE AND MILLS AND MILL THAT I THINK IS 30 UNITS AND IT HAS FIVE, UH, AFFORDABLE, CORRECT. 
          OUT OF WHICH FOUR ARE, HAVE A CERTAIN DESIGNATION AND THEN ONE HAS AN EVEN LOWER DESIGNATION. 
          SO, UM, THERE ARE FIVE UNITS THERE. 
          YOU'RE CORRECT. 
          YEAH. 
          WE, WE DO HAVE SOME THINGS GOING ON HERE. 
          SO I APPRECIATE YOUR TIME AND THANK YOU FOR THAT INFORMATION. 
          THANK SAY ABOUT PORT HOUSING. 
          MY NAME IS DAVE DAY, UM, 5 0 6 1 ROLL OUT RIDGEWATER PARK. 
          LITTLE DISTANCE FROM HERE. 
          WHAT I'M HERE FOR IS I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE A, A P'S SAFE DRIVING PROGRAM AND THEY'VE ASKED TO GO TO EAST TOWNSHIP AND REINTRODUCING TO THE AREA BECAUSE AFTER COVID KIND OF FADED OUT, UH, WHAT WE'RE LOOKING FOR SPECIFICALLY OR PLACES THE MOST WOULD BE, UH, COMMUNITY CENTER LIBRARY, VFW, LAW OFFICES, INSURANCE OFFICES, ADULT COMMUNITY, SENIOR CENTERS, HOUSES OF WORSHIP BANKS AND HOSPITALS. 
          AND ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU HAVE ALL REQUIRED IS WE HAVE A ROOM THAT HAS TV. 
          WE CAN PLUG A, A UH, VIDEO WENT TO. 
          YOU CAN WATCH. 
          THERE'S LITTLE VIDEOS. 
          WE GOTTA PLAY WITH IT. 
          UH, WE'VE GOT THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A AWARD-WINNING PROGRAM. 
          IT'S APPROVED BY THE MOTOR VEHICLE COMMISSION. 
          WE PROVIDE TRAIN DISRUPTORS, COURSE MATERIALS, PROMOTIONAL MATERIALS. 
          IT'S A SIX HOUR COURSE AND, UH, THAT'S REQUIRED BY THE STATE. 
          UH, SOME STATES REQUIRE FOR OUR PICK SIX, IT CAN BE DONE ONE OR TWO DAYS, EITHER ON WEEKENDS OR EVENINGS. 
          'CAUSE A COST FOR A RP MEMBERS, $20 AND 25 FOR NON-MEMBERS. 
          WHAT THEY GET OUT OF IT IS THEY GET A DISCOUNT ON THEIR CAR INSURANCE FOR THREE YEARS. 
          THREE YEARS. 
          IF THEIR INSURANCE COMPANY GRANTS THAT AND THEY GET TWO POINTS OFF OF THEIR NEW JERSEY DRIVER'S LICENSE. 
          AND HOPEFULLY THEY GET AN AWARENESS OF THEIR DRIVING SKILLS BECAUSE AS THE POLICE CAN TESTIFY, THERE'S A LOT OF PEOPLE NEED THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL I GOT. 
          SAY. 
          OKAY. 
          I HAVE SOME BROCHURES. 
          IF ANYONE HAS ANY QUESTIONS, I'LL BE TOO. 
          YES. 
          I JUST HAVE A GEOGRAPHY QUESTION. 
          TOM LYONS 22, MEL COURT. 
          SORRY. 
          UM, CAN YOU DESCRIBE THE LOCATION? IT'S A LITTLE MORE CLEAR. 
          THERE'S A MAP OR A WAY WE CAN SEE IT. 
          YES. 
          UM, I KNOW, I KNOW THE PARKLAND'S CEMETERY AREA AT PARKLAND. 
          WHERE'S THE AREA BY ARIS TENANT CHURCH. 
          IF YOU LOOK ON THE WEBSITE, THE AMENDED HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN HAS AN EXHIBIT NUMBER TWO, WHICH IS ALL THE FOURTH ROUND SITES. 
          AND THEY'RE MARKED COLORED. 
          YOU'LL, YOU CAN SEE EXACTLY WHERE THEY ARE. 
          AND THAT'S GONNA BE ON THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE UNDER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          OKAY. 
          AMENDED 2025 HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN. 
          EXHIBIT TWO IS THE FOURTH ROUND SITES EXHIBIT TWO. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SURE. 
          STEPHANIE MOORE. 
          UM, I'LL SAY YOU TO KNOW, THIS IS PRETTY EMBARRASSING, NOT FOR ME, BUT HEY CHUCK, BUT FOR, I MEAN, EVERYBODY WHO CAN'T EVEN LOOK AT US, YOU'RE SO IGNORANT. 
          IF LIKE IT'S DISTURBING I AND THE FUTURE OF MEDFORD ME, DONNA, LIKE, IS IT DISSERVICE IF YOU PASS THIS BY? IT'S A DISSERVICE. 
          YOU'RE DOING ME A DISSERVICE. 
          YOU'RE DOING MY FUTURE KIDS A DISSERVICE. 
          YOU'RE DOING LITERALLY EVERYBODY SUCH A DISSERVICE. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA BE HERE ANYMORE FOR IT WHEN IT AFFECTS YOU. 
          SO SKETCHY. 
          YOU'RE REALLY GONNA, LIKE IF YOU DO THAT, DO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THIS GENERATION COMING UP? 'CAUSE I DON'T FORM EVERYBODY ELSE HERE. 
          ME AND MY HUSBAND ARE SOME OF THE YOUNGEST HOMEOWNERS HERE. 
          THEY'RE GONNA FRAME THIS HERE. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT? PUT IT ALL, WHO CARES ABOUT NEW YEAR'S EVE? FORGET IT. 
          MOVE ON. 
          YOU KNOW WHAT, I'LL TAKE IT IN 20 YEARS. 
          BUILD CLIFFORD TO BIG RED DOG HOUSE. 
          I DON'T CARE IF IT'S A CORBY HOUSE. 
          I DON'T EVEN CARE WHAT THEY BILL. 
          'CAUSE IT DOESN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE WITH THESE UGLY APARTMENTS THAT ARE ALREADY GONNA HAPPEN. 
          I'M NOT GETTING RACHEL OFF OF MEDFORD, MR. BRYAN. 
          I'M NOT. 
          YOU'RE SO IGNORANT. 
          IT'S, IT, IT'S, IT'S HORRIFYING BEING THIS SAYING PEOPLE THIS, THESE AGES WHO CAN'T EVEN APOLOGIZE TO AN 80 SOMETHING YEAR OLD WOMAN THAT YOU KNOW YOU DID WRONG. 
          YOU DID HER WRONG, YOU DID AWAY AT SIX. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA SIT THERE AND JUST BE LIKE, I'M NOT DISCUSSING THIS RIGHT NOW. 
          WHY CAN'T YOU DISCUSS IT? THIS IS SO UPSETTING. 
          I'M 
          [02:40:01]
LIKE ALMOST 30 YEARS OLD. 
          AND TO WATCH THIS HAPPEN IS HORRIFYING. 
          THIS IS EMBARRASSING. 
          NOT FOR ME. 
          YOU'RE JUST TOO COCKY. 
          YOU'RE NOT EVEN EMBARRASSED. 
          WE KNOW YOU'RE GONNA SLEEP RIGHT TONIGHT. 
          'CAUSE YOU'RE A B***H HERE. 
          BOTH OF US. 
          IT'S SICK SENIOR'S LIKE, YEP, I KNOW. 
          I THINK YOU SHOULD BE LOOKED INTO. 
          I'M GONNA LET EVERYBODY IN MY GENERATION KNOWS. 
          EVERY NEW NEIGHBOR THAT I GET THAT MOVES IN, I'M GONNA LET THEM KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON HERE. 
          WHAT'S HAPPENED IN THE PAST, WHAT HAS BEEN DONE AND WHAT'S GONNA CONTINUE TO HAPPEN. 
          DON'T YOU WANT CHANGE HERE? IT'S LIKE YOU, YOU'RE SITTING HERE AND IT'S, IT'S, IT'S APPARENT. 
          YOU WANT GOOD FOR US. 
          IT'S APPARENT. 
          YOU WANT TO MAKE THE RIGHT DECISION. 
          WHAT'S STOPPING YOU FROM MAKING THE RIGHT DECISION? I'M THE FUTURE MEMBER. 
          WHY ARE YOU GONNA MESS THIS UP? DON'T MESS IT UP. 
          YOU DON'T HAVE TO GO FOR THIS TONIGHT. 
          PUSH IT OFF. 
          LIKE I SAID, I WILL TAKE A SUPERCENTER WITH SLIDES DOWN APARTMENTS IN 20 YEARS IF THAT'S WHAT IT TAKES, WHATEVER AT THAT POINT, I DON'T CARE. 
          BUT BUILDING IT NOW, ACTING LIKE THERE'S NO OTHER OPTION. 
          YOU JUST WANT YOUR MONEY. 
          YOU JUST WANT YOUR MONEY HERE FOR YOU TO CALL SOMEONE A CHEERFUL. 
          YEAH. 
          YOU HE SHOULD BE DIS STARED. 
          HE SHOULDN'T BE PART OF TOWN. 
          HE'S GOTTA A GO. 
          ANYONE ELSE IN THE BOOK? GREEN JACKET? YOU KIDDING? YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY ANYTHING GUYS. 
          TO WHAT? HE JUST SLOW TURNED AROUND AND TOLD HIM TO F**K HIMSELF. 
          HAD THE MIDDLE FINGER BOTH. 
          AND HE WORKS FOR THE TOWN. 
          WORKING FOR THE TOWN. 
          AND YOU GUYS DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. 
          YOU'RE NOT GONNA SAY A WORD. 
          I DIDN'T HEAR ANY, A SINGLE STOP. 
          COME ON MAN. 
          PLEASE. 
          LET'S, LET'S MOVE IT ALL. 
          CONTINUE PLEASE. 
          YOU'RE ALL COW. 
          YOU SHOULD BE HOLDING OUTSIDE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          THAT'S NONSENSE. 
          THANK YOU FOR COMING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK ZACH. 
          SICK. 
          THIS SEEMS TO BE A VERY HOT TOPIC. 
          I'M SORRY, COULD YOU, WOULD YOU MIND REPEATING YOUR NAME AGAIN? I'M SORRY. 
          LISA FISTER TWO 13 CHURCH ROAD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          SO I'VE LIVED HERE FOR SIX AND A HALF YEARS. 
          STARTED COMING TO THESE MEETINGS AFTER COVID AND I CAME FROM A PRETTY BIG TOWN. 
          OKAY? SUPPOSEDLY THEY HAD GREAT SCHOOLS, BUT THEY OVERBUILT. 
          AND THERE WAS ONE GOOD SCHOOL LEFT IN THE WEALTHIER PART OF TOWN. 
          NOW THIS IS WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN HERE. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BUILD ALL OF THIS LIKE THAT ONE GENTLEMAN SAID. 
          AND YOU'RE GONNA PUT ALL THESE KIDS INTO ONE SCHOOL. 
          YOU'RE GONNA HAVE PROBLEMS. YOU'RE GONNA HAVE BULLYING IN SCHOOL. 
          IN THAT TOWN, A GIRL KILLED HERSELF. 
          SHE WAS BULLIED SO BAD AND EVERYBODY IGNORED IT. 
          YOU NEED TO START LOOKING AT WHAT YOU'RE DOING HERE. 
          FIRST OF ALL, THERE'S A HUGE DISTRUST BETWEEN ALL OF YOU AND MR. WATSON. 
          THE TOWN, OUR NEIGHBORS, WE ALL LIVE HERE TOGETHER AND WE NEED TO DO THE BEST FOR THE TOWN. 
          UNDERSTANDABLY AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS COMING. 
          BUT WHEN YOU BUILD A BREWERY NEXT TO A WOMAN WHO LIVES IN A TOWN IN HER HOME FOR 30 YEARS, AND DON'T EVEN CONSIDER THAT. 
          NOW, I WAS HERE WHEN SHE TALKED ABOUT IT. 
          SHE HAS TO LIVE WITH A BAND THURSDAY, FRIDAY AND SATURDAY NIGHT AND YOU APPROVED IT. 
          SECOND OF ALL, THERE WAS ANOTHER WOMAN THE SAME NIGHT WHO COMPLAINED ABOUT A SEWER SMELL. 
          SHE'S MY NEIGHBOR. 
          SHE'S DOWN THE STREET. 
          SHE HAS SEWER BACKING, SMELL BACKING UP INTO HER HOUSE. 
          AND I HEARD SOMEONE OVER HERE SAY, WE WILL BE CALLING YOU THIS WEEK. 
          I RAN INTO HER LAST WEEK. 
          NO ONE HAS CALLED HER. 
          AND I THINK THIS WAS WHAT, JUNE WHEN MR. PRINE DID HIS FIRST SPEECH ABOUT THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          NO ONE HAS CALLED HER. 
          IT'S SIX MONTHS. 
          SHE'S STILL DEALING WITH THAT SEWER SMELL IN HER HOUSE. 
          WHAT IS THAT SMELL? SIX? NO, ACTUALLY IT'S POSSIBLY METHANE GAS. 
          OKAY. 
          IF HER HOUSE BLOWS UP, I HAVE A WELL, ARE YOU CONSIDERING ALL THE PEOPLE HAVE WELLS? WHAT IT'S GOING TO AFFECT MY, WELL I DRIVE UP CHURCH ROAD EVERY MORNING BETWEEN FIVE 30 AND SIX 30 IN THE MORNING AND IT STINK. 
          AND YOU CAN'T TELL ME THAT OUR SEWER SYSTEM'S GONNA HANDLE THE ADDITIONAL SEWERS. 
          AND HAVE YOU GONE TO THE STATE AND ASKED FOR MONEY? BECAUSE YOU CAN, IF YOU'RE GONNA INCREASE OUR SEWER SYSTEM NOW, THEY MAY OR MAY NOT LOWER THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. 
          THIRDLY, THE GENTLEMAN OVER HERE WHO SAID ABOUT THE TREE FROGS AND ALL THAT, HAVE YOU INVESTIGATED THAT? WHY ARE THE TOWN'S PEOPLE DOING YOUR 
          [02:45:01]
JOB? YEAH, YOU RAN FOR THIS POSITION. 
          WE VOTED YOU IN AND WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BE ABLE TO TRUST YOU. 
          WE DON'T WANT ANOTHER BREWERY. 
          I CAN TELL YOU THAT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          BECAUSE I DON'T DRINK IT. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WE DON'T NEED ANOTHER BAR 'CAUSE THAT'S ALL IT IS IN MEDFORD. 
          WHAT WE NEED IS YOU TO COME TOGETHER WITH THE TOWN'S PEOPLE AND REBUILD TRUST BECAUSE THERE'S NO LONGER TRUST HERE. 
          THERE IS NOT TRUST. 
          WHEN YOU BUILD A BREWERY NEXT TO A HOME, THERE IS NOT TRUST WHEN YOU DO NOT CALL THE WOMAN. 
          WHEN YOU TOLD HER YOU WOULD CALL HIM. 
          I DIDN'T CALL. 
          I DIDN'T SAY, I KNOW NOBODY CALLED HER. 
          I DIDN'T. 
          AND I HEARD YOU CALLED. 
          I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S HER ADDRESS. 
          AND I'LL FIND OUT. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          SHE BIG RED BARN. 
          OKAY, I GOTTA HAVE GO GIVE THE ADDRESS, MAYBE LOOK IN THE JUNE, GIVE ADDRESS TO THE MANAGER AND NO, YOU CAN LOOK IN THE JUNE. 
          I DON'T NEED TO YOUR JOB. 
          I WASN'T HERE. 
          SHE WAS UP HERE. 
          SHE WAS UP HERE AND SHE WAS PROMISED TO CALL. 
          AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU, I WASN'T HERE. 
          I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS YOU, BUT IT WAS SOMEONE AT THIS DESK WHO SAID THEY CALL, WELL IF YOU GET THE ADDRESS, I'LL LOOK NO CHURCH ROAD. 
          OKAY. 
          THE ADDRESS. 
          OKAY. 
          SO YOU NEED TO START. 
          I KNOW IT'S NOT EASY AND WE'RE ALL VERY THANKFUL THAT YOU RAN FOR IT, BUT YOU NEED TO REALLY, YOU RAN FOR THIS POSITION. 
          YOU ARE ALL HERE. 
          YOU'RE SAYING MR. CARMEN'S CAUSED THE PROBLEM. 
          YOU RAN FOR THE OFFICE OF OFFICE. 
          YOU SAT IN THAT CHAIR AND YOU BENEFITED FROM IT. 
          SO START DOING JOB, JUST START DOING THEM. 
          BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IF YOU CANNOT RETURN SOMEONE WHO, WHO'S HAVING GAS BACK UP SEWER, SMELL BACK UP INTO THEIR HOME AND YOU CANNOT. 
          AND THIS WOMAN'S AN ELDERLY WOMAN AND SHE'S A MESS. 
          SHE'S MY NEIGHBOR. 
          AND NEVERMIND. 
          IS THAT GAS GOING INTO MY WELL, IS THAT SOME TYPE OF SEWAGE GOING INTO MY, WELL, IS IT GOING INTO HER NEIGHBOR'S? WILL, I UNDERSTAND YOU SIT HERE AND I'M SURE MR. PRIME'S A GREAT GUY. 
          BUT SOMETIMES CHANGE IS NEEDED. 
          UH, MAYOR, JUST TO BE CLEAR, THE UH, THE CHANGE, THE CHANGE PART OF THE PLANNING, PART OF THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS IS THAT THE, UH, UH, STATE INVESTIGATES ANY ALLEGATIONS OF, UM, THREATEN OR ENDANGERED, UH, SPECIES ON ANY OF THE PROPERTIES. 
          AND THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ALLUDING TO EARLIER WHEN THIS, I INDICATED THIS STILL HAS TO GO THROUGH THE PLANNING BOARD PROCESS. 
          THAT'S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAS TO BE INVESTIGATED. 
          OKAY. 
          THANKS. 
          THANK YOU. 
          HI CHARLES. 
          HOW, UH, 80 NEW FREEDOM. 
          UH, I HAVEN'T BEEN AT A LOT OF THESE MEETINGS LEADING UP TO THE BUILDUP OF TONIGHT. 
          UM, I DO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT THE HISTORY OF SOME OF THESE SITES THOUGH. 
          UM, I, I ALSO AM A PROFESSIONAL THAT DOES A LOT OF WORK SIMILAR TO, TO THE DEVELOPMENT WORK THAT'S BEING LOOKED AT HERE. 
          UM, WHAT BROUGHT ME TO THIS MEETING ARE A COUPLE OF POINTS. 
          UM, YOU BROUGHT UP ONE EARLY IN THE MEETING YOU ASKED THE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER THIS ALIGNS WITH, UM, UH, YOU KNOW, THE COMPREHENSIVE PLAN AND THE MASTER PLAN, RIGHT? I THINK WE KNOW IT DOESN'T, RIGHT? BASED ON WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT RIGHT OFF THE BAT. 
          IS THAT FAIR TO SAY? WELL, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE AMENDMENT, THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE OF PLAN. 
          SO THAT'S THE FIRST, FIRST KIND OF COMMENT OR, OR POINT OR QUESTION THAT I HAVE. 
          SO THAT'S THE REASON FOR THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO MAYBE CONSIDER THAT. 
          UM, THE OTHER COMMENT OR QUESTION I WANTED TO ASK IS, WE, I THINK WE ALL ASSUME THAT WE, YOU HAD MENTIONED WE HAVE INFRASTRUCTURE CAPACITY TO BUILD ALL THIS. 
          YOU MENTIONED THAT WE HAVE SEWERS AND WATER EMERGENCY SERVICES. 
          DO WE HAVE ALL OF THAT COVERED BASED ON THE AS? THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED WAS SEWER. 
          NOBODY. 
          SO SEWER IS THE ONLY THING. 
          SO WE DON'T HAVE WATER EITHER. 
          NO. 
          THAT SEWER, NO. 
          I SAID THE ONLY THING I MENTIONED WAS SEWER. 
          OKAY. 
          SO WE HAVE WATER CAPACITY. 
          SO WE HAVE WATER AND SEWER. 
          YES. 
          IS THAT PART OF THE PLAN IN THAT'S BEING BUILT OR ARE WE PROVIDING ANY OF THAT? IT'S AVAILABLE TO THESE DEVELOPMENTS WITHOUT ADDING ANYTHING. 
          CORRECT. 
          UM, OUTSIDE OF THAT, WELL OBVIOUSLY, I MEAN OBVIOUSLY WE EXPLORING SOME OFFICERS. 
          THAT'S GREAT 'CAUSE WE'RE GONNA NEED A LOT MORE. 
          RIGHT? SO THE ADDED, UH, LOAD TO SECURITY, FIRE SERVICE, ALL THE OTHER STUFF. 
          HAVE WE DONE A STUDY THAT ASKED THAT QUESTION OF HOW THAT GETS TREATED YET? OR IS THAT STUDY PART OF THE THE PLAN? NO, THAT'S PART OF THE PLAN, BUT IT'S NO, THERE'S NO SEPARATE UTILITY STUDY OR EXCUSE ME, UM, MUNICIPAL IMPACT STATEMENT OR STUDY AS PART OF THE PLAN. 
          SO WE HAVEN'T DONE ANY OF THOSE STUDIES. 
          CORRECT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO THAT, THAT ANSWERS THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STUDY, WHICH WE OBVIOUSLY HAVEN'T DONE. 
          WELL THE TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT WILL BE, STUDY WILL BE DONE AS PART OF ANY APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          WELL, IT'LL BE DONE AS PART OF ANY APPROVAL OF THE DEVELOPMENTS. 
          WE'VE LOOKED AT THESE DEVELOPMENTS BEFORE THOUGH. 
          AND WE'VE DONE THOSE STUDIES BEFORE. 
          SO WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA FROM WHEN THEY WERE PLANNING TO DO 
          [02:50:01]
PREVIOUS DEVELOPMENTS MANY YEARS AGO BEFORE, YOU KNOW, BEFORE YOU WERE MARRIED. 
          EVEN GOING BACK, I DON'T, THESE HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS. 
          WE HAVE A LOT OF DATA. 
          A LOT OF DATA. 
          I, I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT DATA IN A POSITIVE LIGHT. 
          I DON'T KNOW THAT YOU WERE HERE. 
          NO, NO I WASN'T. 
          YOU WERE HERE. 
          I'M GOING BACK TO MAYOR MYERS. 
          I THINK IT WAS. 
          WE DID A THREE EXTENSIVE STUDY OF THE DEVELOPMENT, THE MCCARRICK STUDY PROPERTY. 
          THE MCCARRICK STUDY. 
          NO, NO, JUST THE STUDIES WERE DONE FOR SAMOS. 
          NOBODY ELSE SAMOS. 
          IT'S NOT ONE OF THESE SITES. 
          WE STILL HAVE DATA THOUGH, THAT I THINK IS RELEVANT TODAY. 
          IT'S RELEVANT. 
          IT'S TO THE SAMOS DEVELOPMENT, WHICH IS A DIFFERENT LOCATION. 
          IT WAS 15 YEARS AGO. 
          OKAY. 
          BUT IT'S VERY CLOSE TO THIS AND THAT. 
          NOT MUCH HAS CHANGED. 
          NO DEMOGRAPHIC. 
          IT'S NOT TRUE. 
          BUT ALRIGHT, WHERE'S THAT PAPER? SO I THINK, AGAIN, THIS IS AN OBSERVATION. 
          AGAIN, I HAVEN'T BEEN HERE TO THE BUILDUPS TONIGHT, BUT WHAT, WHAT I'VE OBSERVED TONIGHT IS A LOT OF HOSTILITY GOING BACK AND FORTH. 
          UM, I I DO THINK THAT MR. PRIME HERE NEEDS TO HOLD HIMSELF AND HIS FIRM NEEDS TO HOLD THE HIMSELF TO A MUCH HIGHER STANDARD. 
          'CAUSE I'M A CITIZEN AGAIN. 
          WELL, THAT WAS TONGUE IN CHEEK BASED ON SOMETHING THAT HAPPENED AT THE LAST MEETING. 
          BUT THAT'S ALL RIGHT. 
          YOU CAN THROW THAT WE SPOKE THE WAY YOU SPOKE. 
          THAT'S REGARDLESS THOUGH, I, I THINK AS A CITIZEN, AGAIN, NEW TO THIS PROCESS, NEW TO WHAT I'M HEARING TONIGHT, WHAT I WHAT I'VE OBSERVED IS A WHOLE LOT OF HOSTILITY BEING THROWN BACK AND FORTH. 
          AND I'VE SEEN A LOT OF UNPROFESSIONALISM. 
          AND I THINK THAT YOU GUYS REALLY NEED TO TAKE A HARD LOOK AT THE PARTNERS AND THE CONSULTANTS YOU GUYS HAVE WITHIN THIS BODY THAT BRINGS YOU GUYS THE INFORMATION TO THINK. 
          'CAUSE AGAIN, THESE, THESE FOLKS ARE ANGRY 'CAUSE THIS IS A HUGE IMPACT TO THEIR LIFE. 
          MASSIVE. 
          THIS IS THEIR LIVES. 
          THIS IS EVERYTHING THAT THEY LIVE IN MEDFORD. 
          AND, AND, AND EVERY, EVERYTHING ABOUT THEIR LIVES ARE ON, ON THE LINE RIGHT NOW. 
          AND THIS GUY IS IS TREATING IT WITH A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, A A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, I DON'T HAVE TO SAY IT IS DISRESPECTFUL. 
          IT TRULY IS. 
          I'VE TRIED TO BE PATIENT, I'VE TRIED TO EXPLAIN AS BEST AS I COULD. 
          THE ONE COMMENT WAS TELLING TO YOU. 
          SO TONIGHT, YOU DIDN'T SUCCEED IN THAT. 
          WELL, I, I, I FEEL, I FEEL, THANK YOU. 
          I'M NOT, I'M NOT TRYING TO PILE ON WITH THESE PEOPLE WITH YOU, BUT WHAT I AM ASKING IS YOU GUYS THOUGH, TO, TO, TO HELP, HELP THESE GUYS UNDERSTAND BEHIND ME THAT YOU CARE AND THAT THEY DESERVE THE RESPECT FROM EVERYBODY, INCLUDING THE PEOPLE THAT WE HIRED TO WORK FOR THIS SHIFT. 
          IT'S THE, YOU YOU STARTED THE MEETING WITH A DISCLOSURE WHERE YOU WERE BASICALLY DESCRIBING HOW YOU DIDN'T MAKE SIX AND A HALF MILLION DOLLARS. 
          CORRECT. 
          YOU HAVEN'T ADMITTED WHAT YOU'VE MADE. 
          IT'S CLEARLY, IT'S CLEARLY SOME AMOUNT. 
          A LOT, BUT A LOT, A LOT. 
          DO YOU GET PAID WHEN YOU ONE MINUTE DO PROFESSIONAL SERVICES, YOU GET PAID? DO I GET PAID PROFESSIONAL SERVICES? I DO. 
          BUT THE DIFFERENCE IS THAT IN YOUR CAPACITY AS AN ADVISOR TO THIS TOWNSHIP, YOU HAVE ADMITTED OR NOT ADMITTED, BUT YOU HAVE EXPLAINED AND BEEN VERY OPEN ABOUT THE FACT THAT YOU HAVE PERSONALLY GAINED A LOT OF MONEY. 
          THAT'S NOT TRUE IN YOUR CAPACITY. 
          AND THERE IS A CERTAIN ELEMENT THAT COMES TO MIND THAT MAKES ME WONDER, YOU KNOW, WHETHER YOU HAVE HAD THE BEST INTEREST OF THIS TOWN IN, IN IT. 
          WELL, THAT'S A HELL OF A STATEMENT. 
          OKAY. 
          PERSONAL INTEREST. 
          OKAY, THAT'S FINE. 
          BUT, BUT BACK TO THAT SIX AND A HALF MILLION, I GUESS SINCE YOU'VE DISCLOSED THAT, THAT WASN'T SIX AND A HALF MILLION, WILL YOU EVER DISCLOSED WHAT THAT AMOUNT WAS? THAT'S CONFIDENTIAL CLIENT INFORMATION. 
          I WILL NEVER DISCLOSE IT. 
          OKAY. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          WELL, YOU, YOU, YOU, YOU HAVE BENEFITED A GREAT DEAL FROM THIS TOWN AND I GUESS I WOULD ASK YOU GUYS TO REALLY RECONSIDER YOUR CONSULTANTS ON THIS. 
          ALRIGHT, ANYONE FROM CHARLES KLI EIGHT BURKE DRIVE. 
          I DON'T HAVE A LOT OF FACTS AND FIGURES. 
          I DON'T HAVE ANY FACTS AND FIGURES AT ALL. 
          BUT WHAT I, I'M, I'M, I'M ASTOUNDING. 
          I HAVE NEVER STOOD BEFORE. 
          SIX PEOPLE WHO ARE MORE HATED HERE TONIGHT. 
          HATED BY ALL. 
          HATED BY THE PEOPLE WHO LEFT. 
          IF YOU VOTE YES TO THIS, YOU'LL GO ON BEING HATED. 
          ERIC. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE HATED. 
          MICHAEL. 
          HATED CHARLES. 
          HATED AM I RIGHT OUT? HE'S OUT. 
          BRITTANY, YOU'RE GONNA BE HATED. 
          DONNA. 
          YOU'RE GONNA BE HATED. 
          YOU MIGHT BE LEAVING THIS POSITION, BUT YOU'RE STILL GOING TO BE AROUND AND YOU'RE GONNA BE LOOKING WHO HATES ME? WHO HATES ME? YOU'RE GONNA BE LOSERS. 
          OKAY? DELAY THIS. 
          DELAY, DELAY, DELAY. 
          MY LAWYER SAYS DELAY. 
          OH, TIM, I FORGOT YOU. 
          YOU'RE HATED TOO. 
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OR YOU CAN BE WINNERS. 
          CHARLES, YOU COULD BE A WINNER. 
          MICHAEL. 
          ERIC, DO YOU WANT TO BE A WINNER? BRITTANY, IT'S BETHANY. 
          IT'S BETHANY. 
          I'M SORRY IF YOU DON'T WANNA BE HATED, DONNA, YOU DON'T WANT ANYBODY TO HATE YOU. 
          VOTE FOR US. 
          HAVE SOME BALLS. 
          DO THE RIGHT THING. 
          FORGET ABOUT WHAT THIS GUY WANTS. 
          FORGET ABOUT THE PRESSURE THAT'S BEING PUT ON YOU ELSEWHERE AND HELP US. 
          IF YOU, IF YOU'RE MOVING AWAY TO ANOTHER COUNTRY, FINE, SCREW US. 
          BUT IF YOU GOT, IF YOU'RE PLAYING ON, STICK IT AROUND THERE. 
          VOTE, VOTE FOR US AND YOU. 
          YES, CARDELL 13 CHAS. 
          I WASN'T SURE IF I WOULD ACTUALLY, BUT A LOT OF YOU GUYS HAD THE GUTS TO DO IT. 
          AND I REMEMBER WALKING OUTTA MY HOUSE AND TELLING MY DAUGHTER, I NEED TO FIGHT FOR HER. 
          RIGHT? YOU GUYS SIT UP THERE AND SAY, YOU DON'T HAVE A CHOICE. 
          YOU HAVE A CHOICE. 
          HOW YOU SIT THERE AND TELL YOUR CHILDREN, I JUST ROLLED OVER LIKE THIS GENTLEMAN SAID AND DIDN'T FIGHT FOR WHAT, WHAT IS RIGHT? WHY ARE WE SO AFRAID TO TAKE ON THE STATE AGAIN? THERE'S NEW GOVERNMENT COMING. 
          WE SHOULD BE ABLE, YOU SHOULD BE ABLE TO NOT BE AFRAID. 
          THAT'S WHY WE PUT YOU UP THERE AS OUR LEADERS. 
          I RUN IN MY COMPANY SOMETIMES I HAVE TO SAY NO TO OTHER PEOPLE, TO PEOPLE THAT ARE HIGHER THAN YOU. 
          AND IT'S A SCARY THING TO SAY, BUT I KNOW IT'S THE RIGHT THING TO DO. 
          REALLY THINK ABOUT WHAT YOU'VE HEARD HERE TONIGHT. 
          WHERE YOU WANT YOUR KIDS TO GO IF YOU HAVE GRANDKIDS, RIGHT? IN SCHOOL SYSTEMS. HAVE YOU WALKED IN THOSE SCHOOL SYSTEMS? 28 TO 30 KIDS IN A CLASSROOM? IS THAT REALLY WHAT WE WANT FOR THE FUTURE? SHE'S OUR FUTURE. 
          WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE A FUTURE FOR THOSE OF YOU GUYS THAT WORK IN CORPORATE AMERICA. 
          ARE WE SEEING WHAT'S COMING OUT OF THESE SCHOOLS LATELY? TRYING TO HIRE SOMEBODY THAT MAY NOT HAVE AND BE WELL-ROUNDED. 
          I MOVED THIS TO THIS COMMUNITY TO HAVE A GREAT SCHOOL SYSTEM. 
          THERE'S NO LANGUAGE THAT THEY STUDY UNTIL WHAT? FOR THREE MONTHS IN SIXTH GRADE WE TOOK BAND AWAY. 
          THEY CAN'T GET BANNED UNTIL FIFTH GRADE. 
          THESE POOR TEACHERS TRYING TO CONTROL A CLASSROOM OF 28 STUDENTS. 
          HAVE YOU SAT IN THERE, GO ONE DAY TO THE SCHOOLS AND SIT THERE. 
          NOW YOU'RE PUTTING EVERYTHING INTO CURTAIN . 
          THAT WAS ONE OF OUR TOP SCHOOLS AND IT'S ALL GONNA COME DOWN. 
          EVERYTHING THAT HE'S DONE, WE'VE DONE THE SAME THING. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          RIGHT? HAVE YOU ASKED THE QUESTIONS THAT YOUR CITIZENS ARE ASKING TO MR. PRIME? AND MAYBE HE HAS THE ANSWERS AND CAN GIVE IT TO YOU, BUT YOU GUYS HAVEN'T SHOWN US THAT. 
          NONE OF THAT. 
          WHY ARE YOU NOT DOING THAT? DON'T BE AFRAID TO SAY NO. 
          IF YOUR CHILDREN WERE UP THERE, WOULD YOU TELL HIM TO JUST ROLL OVER, BRING AND TELL HIM FIGHT FOR WHAT'S RIGHT. 
          FIGHT FOR US. 
          DON'T BE AFRAID TO SAY NO. 
          WE CAN GO UP AGAINST THE STATE. 
          AND AGAIN, THINGS MAY CHANGE, BUT DON'T SIT THERE AND JUST BE AFRAID TO SAY NO BECAUSE YOU'RE AFRAID OF SOMEBODY ELSE. 
          I WAS AFRAID TO COME UP HERE. 
          I'M NOT AFRAID MY DAUGHTER'S GONNA KNOW THAT AS FIGHT. 
          OUR KIDS ARE GONNA KNOW THAT WE'RE FIGHTING FOR THIS PLACE. 
          SHOW YOUR FAMILIES ARE FIGHTING FOR THIS. 
          SAY NO. 
          CAN I JUST, I'M SORRY, CLAUDIA, I APOLOGIZE. 
          I DID NOT CATCH YOUR LAST NAME. 
          COL ELL CARDELL. 
          CARDELL. 
          EXCUSE ME. 
          UM, I REALLY WANT TO COMMEND YOU FOR COMING UP AND SPEAKING TONIGHT. 
          I KNOW HOW MUCH IT TAKES TO COME UP, ESPECIALLY THE FIRST TIME. 
          UM, YOU'RE ACTUALLY SITTING NEXT TO MY SON. 
          HE'S RIGHT THERE. 
          UM, MY CHILDREN, WHEN HE WENT TO KIRBY'S MILL, IT WAS 12 TO ONE STUDENTS TO TEACHERS. 
          NOW IT'S 28 TO ONE. 
          I HAVE A SIXTH GRADER AT THE I UNDERSTAND. 
          I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND. 
          AND, UM, UNLIKE THE WOMAN WHO STOOD UP AND SAID THAT I DON'T COMMUNICATE WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. 
          WE DO, BETH AND I HAVE BEEN TO EVERY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING FOR THE LAST OVER TWO YEARS NOW. 
          AND I DID HAVE A MEETING WITH THEM TO DISCUSS THE NUMBERS. 
          WE DON'T WANT THIS. 
          UM, WHY ARE WE, I I'M GONNA ANSWER YOUR QUESTION. 
          I'M GONNA ANSWER IT TO DO IT. 
          WHY ARE WE RUSHING IT? WHO'S RUSHING THIS SAYING THAT THE SCHOOLS CAN'T HANDLE IT? WE'LL CONTINUE ON. 
          WE'LL CONTINUE ON. 
          I WAS ATTEMPTING TO ANSWER THE QUESTIONS. 
          I'M JUST ASKING FOR TIME. 
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OKAY. 
          WE UNDERSTAND THE IMPACT. 
          WE UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS IS GONNA DO. 
          WE APPRECIATE YOU COMING AND SPEAKING. 
          I HAVE YOUNGER CHILDREN THAN MY SON. 
          RIGHT? THEY'RE IN THE SCHOOL RIGHT NOW. 
          WE DON'T WANT THIS. 
          WE KNOW WHAT IT'S GONNA DO. 
          THE ALTERNATIVE TO THIS AT THIS POINT IS WORSE THAN WHAT YOU COULD EVEN IMAGINE. 
          NO. 
          OKAY. 
          OKAY. 
          JUST AGAIN, I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER IN THE MEETING. 
          I ASKED THE QUESTION EARLIER IN THE MEETING, IF YOU WERE UP HERE, YOU WOULD VOTE NO. 
          RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT YOU WOULD DO. 
          AM I CORRECT? OKAY. 
          VOTE NO. 
          GO TO COURT. 
          VOTE NO. 
          ARE YOU SCARED OF MR. PRIME? I'M NOT. 
          YOU ARE? DON'T BE AFRAID. 
          DON'T BE AFRAID. 
          THE SCHOOL DISTRICT BILL. 
          $50 MILLION. 
          I'D RATHER LITIGATE FOR A FEW. 
          THIS IS NOT OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE, WE CAN'T, WE CAN'T SHOUT FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          PLEASE, PLEASE HOLD. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          GLORIA, THANK YOU FOR COMING UP. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UNBUNDLE RESOLUTIONS. 
          UH, MA'AM WITH A HAT PLEASE MA'AM. 
          THE HAT PLEASE. 
          I'M SORRY YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE PLEASE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          YOU CANNOT SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          I SIR, I WAS TERRIFIED TO COME UP HERE. 
          MY NAME'S KRISTEN LEN. 
          WE LIVE AT 64 ARIS TOWN ROAD. 
          SO WE ARE AT THE CORNER OF CHURCH. 
          WE FINALLY BOUGHT THE HORSE FARM OF OUR GREENS. 
          AND SO THIS TERRIFIES ME A LITTLE BIT. 
          UM, I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT, I TRIED LOOKING UP BOTH OF US ALL UP AT THE BACK. 
          THEY'RE TRYING TO LOOK UP THE MAP TO SEE WHERE THESE HOMES ARE GONNA GO AT THE CORNER AND WE CAN'T FIND IT TO KNOW. 
          IS IT GOING IN FRONT OF STOKELY ON THAT CORNER OR IS IT RICK'S? IT IT'S THE, IT'S THE SAME LOT THAT RICK'S IS ON IT. 
          IT'S 6.01 AND 6.02. 
          6.02 IS RICK'S THE LITTLE, THEY'RE ACROSS THE STREET. 
          YES. 
          SO RICK'S ISN'T GOING ANYWHERE. 
          RICK'S IS PART OF IT. 
          SO THEY'RE GONNA BE DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US BLOCKING THE AL WINERY. 
          I I, I, I KNOW, BUT SO ALSO THE PROBLEMS THERE IS THE TRAFFIC IS ABSOLUTELY HORRIBLE. 
          THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE THAT BLOW THAT RED LIGHT MULTIPLE TIMES A DAY. 
          ACCIDENTS ALL THE TIME. 
          I'M A NURSE. 
          I RUN TO THAT TRAFFIC CORNER. 
          I DON'T KNOW HOW MANY TIMES TO CHECK ON PEOPLE AND IT'S NOT SAFE. 
          AND NOW ADDING MORE PEOPLE TO A MIX, LIKE PEOPLE FLY DOWN THAT ROAD, IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          SO MY CONCERN IS, I'M HOPING EVERYTHING THAT WE'RE SAYING UP HERE, YOU ARE TAKING INTO CONSIDERATION. 
          IT'S NOT JUST US BLABBING AND WASTING OUR BREATH AND HOPING THAT WE DO HAVE A VOICE. 
          UM, BECAUSE IT WOULD MEAN A LOT TO US. 
          AND THIS IS OUR LIVELIHOOD, THIS IS OUR HOMES, YOU KNOW? CORRECT. 
          I DON'T WANNA STARE AT THESE BIG BUILDINGS WHEN I FINALLY, YOU KNOW, BOUGHT A FARM TO HAVE FARMLAND, TO HAVE MY HORSES AND TO ENJOY EVERYTHING. 
          SO, YOU KNOW, KOWSKI, I LIVE AT, UH, 2.9 METRO MOUNT HOLLY ROAD. 
          SO I KNOW A LOT OF PEOPLE CAME UP HERE AND EXPLAINED HOW, YOU KNOW, HOW IT AFFECTS THEIR LIVES INDIVIDUALLY AND HOW IT AFFECTS THE TOWN AS A WHOLE. 
          CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG. 
          BOTH ENTRANCES ARE BASICALLY DIRECTLY FROM MY HOUSE TO THIS NEW DEVELOPMENT. 
          BUT, BUT FIRST OF ALL, THE ENTRANCES HAVE NOT BEEN APPROVED BY THE PLANNING BOARD. 
          I DON'T KNOW, I'M JUST GOING OFF OF WHAT I'VE FOUND ON WEBSITE. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I DON'T KNOW WHERE THE CONCEPT PLAN IS IN RELATION TO YOUR HOUSE. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO BOTH ENTRANCES ARE ON METRO VALLEY ROAD DIRECTLY ADJACENT TO MY HOUSE AND THE CHURCH. 
          NOW IT'S EASY FOR US TO SIT HERE AND SAY HOW IT'S A, IT'S A LOSE SITUATION AND YOU KNOW, THERE'S NOTHING WE CAN DO. 
          THE STATE THAT GOD BY THE BALLS. 
          IT'S WHAT? IT'S, BUT IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF YOUR HOUSE AND IT'S NOT IN FRONT OF ANY OF YOUR HOUSES. 
          I SPENT $450,000 TO MOVE OUT OF S****Y BURLINGTON CITY, OUT OF THE CITY, OUT OF THE, OUT OF THE LOW INCOME. 
          THE CRIME FOR YOU GUYS TO JUST TELL ME, WELL, IT'S BACK AND IT'S IN FRONT OF YOU SO THAT MY KIDS HAVE TO LIVE THE SAME CRAPPY LIFE THAT I HAD TO LEAVE IT. 
          IT'S JUST, IT'S, IT'S RIDICULOUS. 
          I'VE BEEN IN THE MILITARY FOR 12 YEARS AND CURRENTLY SERVING, I'M A SERGEANT. 
          I'VE MADE TOUGH DECISIONS. 
          I'VE HAD TO SIT HERE AND SAY SOMETHING TO HIGHER UPS. 
          I'VE GOTTEN IN TROUBLE FOR SAYING UP. 
          LET'S, LET'S, LET'S SHOW SOME, LET'S SHOW SOME CARE FOR OUR UNDERLINGS. 
          LET'S SHOW FOR SOME CARE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO PUT YOU IN LEADERSHIP POSITIONS AND SAY NO TOO MUCH. 
          ANYONE ELSE? SEEING NONE? CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? SO MOVED. 
          HAVE A SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? 
          [03:05:01]
ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? PUBLIC COMMENT IS CLOSED. 
          WE HAVE A MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          DO YOU WANNA TAKE A BREAK FOR A MOMENT? CAN I PLEASE? ALRIGHT. 
          YES, CAN WE'LL TAKE A FIVE MINUTE RECESS, MY COMPUTER, THE MEETING AND WE'LL GO RIGHT INTO THE MANAGER'S REPORT. 
          THANK YOU MAYOR. 
          UH, I HAVE ONE ITEM ON TONIGHT'S AGENDA AND THAT IS A REQUEST TO APPROVE ONE NEW, UH, JUNIOR EMS VOLUNTEER AT STATION 2 58. 
          UM, HE'S A RESIDENT AND UH, NEXT YEAR HOPEFULLY, WELL NEXT YEAR HE'LL TURN 18 AND GO FROM BEING A JUNIOR EMS VOLUNTEER, HOPEFULLY TO BE IN FULL VOLUNTEER FORCE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR CONCERNS ABOUT THE APPLICATION? IT'S HOW THE MICROPHONES WORKING. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ANYONE OPPOSED? ALRIGHT. 
          OUR NEW FIREFIGHTERS ARE APPROVED. 
          UH, CHIEF DOBY, IF YOU COULD LET THEM KNOW THAT GENTLEMEN KNOW HOW MUCH WE APPRECIATE VOLUNTEERS. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          CLERK'S REPORT. 
          UM, YES, WE JUST HAVE ONE APPROVAL FOR BINGO AND BASKET RAFFLE LICENSE FOR BROADWAY DOWN FEBRUARY 1ST, 6 11 2 AT YOUR TIME. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? ALL RIGHT, THANK YOU. 
          ALL IN FAVOR OF CLERK'S REPORT. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AYE. 
          THE CLERK'S REPORT IS ACCEPTED. 
          WE HAVE TWO BILL LISTS TO ACCEPT FOR DECEMBER 20, UH, DECEMBER 10TH, 2025 AND DECEMBER 15TH, 2025. 
          CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE BILL LISTS? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE BILL IS ARE ACCEPTED. 
          WE HAVE NO INTRO, WE HAVE NO ORDINANCES FOR INTRODUCTION. 
          WE HAVE NO ORDINANCES FOR OUR SECOND READING, BUT WE DO HAVE OUR CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTION. 
          SO REGARDING THE CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTIONS, WE HAVE THREE AS RESOLUTIONS WE'D LIKE TO ADD TO THE AGENDA. 
          WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THE FOLLOWING RESOLUTIONS TO THE AGENDA RESOLUTION 1 96 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH ERI FOR HEMLINE ROAD WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $20,000 RESOLUTION 2 18 20 25 APPROVING 2025 APPROCREATION TRANSFERS AND RESOLUTION 2 19 20 25 ESTABLISHING REORGANIZATION AND REGULAR JANUARY MEETING DATE 2026. 
          UH, WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD THOSE TO THE CONSENT AGENDA? RESOLUTIONS SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR A. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THOSE AGENDAS, UH, CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTIONS ARE ADDED TO THE LIST. 
          SO REGARDING THE LIST OF RESOLUTIONS, WE HAVE RESOLUTION 1 96 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT AMENDMENT WITH ERI FOR THE HEMAL LINE ROAD WATER MAIN EXTENSION PROJECT IN THE AMOUNT NOT TO EXCEED $20,000 RESOLUTION. 
          1 97 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING REFUND OF ERRONEOUS 2025 TAX OVERPAYMENTS RESOLUTION 1 98 20 25 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF VARIOUS SIZE WATER METERS AND ANTENNAS FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES RESOLUTION 1 99 DASH 2025 AWARDING A CONTRACT FOR THE PURCHASE OF ONE NEW 2026 FORD F TWO 50 UTILITY TRUCK FOR THE DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC WORKS AND UTILITIES RESOLUTION 220 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING CANCELLATION OF FINAL 2025 SLASH PRELIMINARY. 
          2026 PROPERTY TAXES ON PROPERTY OWNED BY QUALIFYING TOTALLY DISABLED EXEMPT VETERAN RESOLUTION 2 0 1 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF 1 20 26 DODGE DURANGO GT ALL WHEEL DRIVE SUV FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT RESOLUTION 202 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE OF 1 20 26 CHEVY TAHOE, SUV FOR THE POLICE DEPARTMENT. 
          RESOLUTION 2 0 3 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE TRANSFER OF POLICE K NINE UNIT K NINE HUGO TO HIS HANDLER, SERGEANT EDWIN MCKENNEY. 
          RESOLUTION 2 0 4 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING A CONTRACT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD AND WILLIAM DUNLEVY. 
          POLICE CHIEF RESOLUTION 2 0 5 DASH 2025 ACCEPTING THE AWARD OF $216,745 FROM THE FISCAL YEAR 2026 NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF TRANSPORTATION MUNICIPAL AID PROGRAM FOR IMPROVEMENTS TO CHRISTOPHER'S MILL ROAD, PHASE ONE, RESOLUTION 2 0 6 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE PURCHASE AND INSTALLATION OF LIGHTNING DETECTION AND ALERT EQUIPMENT FOR BENDY AND MEYER PARKS RESOLUTION 2 0 7 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING A SHARED SERVICES AGREEMENT WITH THE BOROUGH OF MEDFORD LAKES FOR TAX ASSESSOR SERVICES RESOLUTION 2 0 8 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE USE OF COMPETITIVE CONTRACTING FOR PROCUREMENT OF COMPUTER NETWORKING AND INFORMATION TECHNOLOGY SERVICES THROUGH THE REQUEST FOR PROMOTION PROPOSAL. 
          PROCESS RESOLUTION 2 0 9 DASH 2025 APPROVING REQUEST FOR FINAL RELEASE OF PERFORMANCE GUARANTEE FOR FIELDSTONE AT MEDFORD LLC RESOLUTION TWO 10 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING A 
          [03:10:01]
CONTRACT WITH ERI FOR THE 2025 MUNICIPAL ROAD PAVING PROGRAM IN AN AMOUNT NOT TO TO EXCEED $240,000 RESOLUTION TWO 11 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING CHANGE ORDER NUMBER TWO FOR THE CONTRACT RIVERFRONT RECYCLING AND AGGREGATE LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $36,454 AND 11 CENTS FOR THE HEMAL LINE ROAD WATER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT RESOLUTION 212 DASH 2025 AMENDING THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD 2025 YEAR MUNICIPAL BUDGET BY THE INSERTION OF A SPECIAL ITEM, UH, OF REVENUE AND APPROPRIATION ENTITLED NATIONAL OPIOID SETTLEMENT FUND. 
          RESOLUTION TWO 13 DASH 2025 AMENDING THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD 2025 YEAR MUNICIPAL BUDGET BY THE INSERTION OF A SPECIAL ITEM OF REVENUE AND APPROPRIATION FROM THE MEDFORD VINCENT TOWN ROTARY HALLOWEEN PARADE RESOLUTION TWO 14 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING CONTRACTS WITH CERTAIN APPROVED STATE CONTRACT VENDORS FOR CONTRACTING UNITS PURSUANT TO NJSA 40 A 11 THROUGH 12 A RESOLUTION TWO 15 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING CHANGE ORDER NUMBER ONE TO THE CONTRACT WITH RIVERFRONT RECYCLING AND AGGREGATE LLC IN THE AMOUNT OF $192,441 AND 45 CENTS FOR THE HEMAL LINE ROAD SEWER MAIN REPLACEMENT PROJECT RESOLUTION TWO 16 DASH 2025 AUTHORIZING THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER TO EXECUTE A DISCHARGE OF A MORTGAGE AND NOTE FOR THE PREMISES KNOWN AS 31 HARLOW CIRCLE BLOCK 4 0 4 23 LOT FIVE IN THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD RESOLUTION TWO 17 DASH 2025 ENDORSING AMENDED 2025 HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN RESOLUTION TWO 18 DASH 2025 APPROVING 2025 APPROPRIATION TRANSFERS RESOLUTION 2 19 20 25 ESTABLISHING REORG, UNIONIZATION AND REGULAR JANUARY MEETING DATE 2026 RESOLUTION ONE 10 A DASH 2025 AMENDING RESOLUTION ONE 10 DASH 2025 AND DIRECTING THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD TO CONDUCT A PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATION OF BLOCK 8 0 1 LOT 6.01 AND 6.02, BLOCK 3 0 2 LOTS, 28.02 AND 39.03 AND BLOCK 3 0 1 LOT 3 0 3 0.01 AND BLOCK 3.02 LOT SEVEN FOR THE POTENTIAL DESIGNATION AS AN AREA IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? MAYOR? YES. 
          UM, AND ON THAT LAST RESOLUTION, I BELIEVE BLOCK NUMBER EIGHT THREE. 
          YEAH, THERE'S A TYPO. 
          IT SHOULD BE BLOCK 8 0 3 LOT 6.01 AND 6.02. 
          OKAY. 
          LET THE RECORD SHOW AMENDED. 
          YEAH. 
          8 0 3. 
          OKAY. 
          VERY GOOD. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? I DO. 
          OKAY. 
          UM, I WANTED TO TALK ABOUT RESOLUTION ONE 10 A AND ALSO TWO 17. 
          UM, I CLEARLY, YOU KNOW, HAVE, AM AWARE THAT ON ONE 10 A, I MEAN WE REALLY HAVE NO CHOICE THERE. 
          WE HAVE TO COMPLY BY THE END BY DECEMBER 31ST. 
          WE WILL NOT HAVE ANOTHER MEETING BEFORE THAT. 
          UM, I'M IN FAVOR OF THIS PARTICULAR RESOLUTION, BUT I WOULD LIKE TO DISCUSS RESOLUTION TWO 17 DASH 2025. 
          WHAT I'D LIKE TO DISCUSS THE TWO THAT COUNCIL SIMONS BOARD UP AS WELL. 
          BUT, UM, IF I MAY JUST BEFORE WE GET INTO THAT, UM, UH, LIKE TO THANK THE POLICE FORCE FOR THEIR SERVICE AND, UM, CONGRATULATIONS ON THE RETIREMENT TO CANINE HUGO. 
          UM, AND THEN, UH, AGAIN, CONGRATULATIONS TO CHIEF DUNLEAVY ON HIS PROBATION. 
          OKAY, GREAT. 
          WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO SAY? OH, I THOUGHT MIKE WAS TAKING OVER ON THESE TWO RESOLUTIONS. 
          UM, I I UNDERSTAND THAT WE, UM, YOU KNOW, WE HAVE TO AMEND THIS, SO I DID REVERSE THEM. 
          SORRY. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, WE DO HAVE NO CHOICE, BUT BY THE END OF DECEMBER TWO 17, LIKE TWO 17, WE ALWAYS HAVE A CHOICE. 
          CAN I, CAN I FINISH? EXCUSE ME MA'AM, MAY I FINISH? YES, I'M SORRY. 
          THANK YOU. 
          UM, I'D LIKE TO SEE IF WE COULD POSTPONE ONE 10, A 2025. 
          UM, I PERSONALLY DON'T SEE THE NEED THAT THIS HAS TO GO BEFORE THE PLANNING BOARD ASAP. 
          UM, I, FROM WHAT I UNDERSTAND, THERE'S A DEADLINE OF MARCH ON ON THIS. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? MR. PRIME OR MARCH DATE ON THAT? THERE'S A DEADLINE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO, UM, COMPLETE THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT. 
          THE REASON ONE 10 A IS ON HERE IS SIMPLY TO REMOVE THE LAST RECITE AND ADD THE OTHER SITE THAT 
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WE ALREADY DIRECTED THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO THE INVESTIGATION RESOLUTION. 
          ONE 10 ALREADY DIRECTED THE PLANNING BOARD TO DO THE INVESTIGATION OKAY. 
          OF THE SITES. 
          BUT, BUT RIGHT NOW IT'S DIRECTED TO STUDY THE LTY SITE, WHICH IS INCORRECT. 
          SO I, I HAD TO AMEND IT TO MAKE SURE WE HAD THE RIGHT SITES TO INVESTIGATE THAT. 
          THAT'S ALL WE'RE DOING IS INVESTIGATING THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAS TO MAKE A DECISION WHETHER THEY SHOULD BE AREAS IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT OR NOT. 
          AND, AND THIS NEEDS TO BE DONE ASAP OR IS THERE A DEADLINE ON THAT AS WELL? THAT IT'S PART OF THE AMENDED HOUSING ELEMENT. 
          FAIR SHARE PLAN. 
          BUT IT DOES NOT HAVE TO BE DONE TONIGHT. 
          BUT IF IT'S, IF IT'S NOT DONE TONIGHT, THE PLANNING BOARD NEEDS TO START THIS PROCESS FIRST THING IN JANUARY. 
          AND RIGHT NOW THEY'RE DIRECTED TO STUDY THE WRONG SITE. 
          SO I HAD, I HAD TO CORRECT IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO, BECAUSE I THINK THEY'LL PROBABLY DO SOMETHING, THEY PROBABLY WILL HAVE TO DO THE INVESTIGATION BY THEIR JANUARY MEETING. 
          THEY MAY NEED TO HAVE A SPECIAL MEETING. 
          IT'S GONNA BE VERY TIGHT TIMELINE. 
          UM, I THOUGHT I SPOKE WITH MR. NOEL AND HE THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE MARCH, A MARCH DATE, MARCH 31ST. 
          THE TOWNSHIP HAS TO HAVE ADOPTED THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS OR ZONING ORDINANCES. 
          THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENTS WITH THE RE DEVELOPERS, UM, HAVE TO BE ALL ADOPTED AND SIGNED BY THEM. 
          TH THIS IS THE DIRECTION TO START THAT PROCESS, NOT FINISH IT. 
          OKAY. 
          SO IF WE AMEND THIS AND IF THE JANUARY MEETING, THEY DECIDE THAT THEY WANNA PURSUE ONE 10 A, THEY CAN DO THAT AND THEY STILL HAVE UNTIL THE END OF MARCH TO COMPLETE THAT, CORRECT? YES. 
          CORRECT. 
          IT'S NOT JUST, JUST TO CLARIFY, IT'S NOT THE PLANNING BOARD THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY THE END OF MARCH. 
          THE PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DO IT, SEND IT BACK TO THE COUNCIL. 
          OH, I'M SORRY. 
          YES. 
          AND THEN THE COUNCIL HAS TO HAVE A FIRST READING AND A SECOND READING ON IT. 
          YES. 
          IT'S A THREE STEP PROCESS. 
          THE FIRST STEP IS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD TO DETERMINE IF THE SITES ARE ELIGIBLE TO BE DESIGNATED AS THEY NEED TO REDEVELOPMENT. 
          IF THEY ARE THE TOWN TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION, DESIGNATING THEM. 
          THEN THERE HAS TO BE A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, WHICH IS THE REZONING THAT HAS TO BE DONE BY MARCH 31ST. 
          THAT PLANNING BOARD HAS TO DO THAT, AND THE COUNCIL HAS TO APPROVE THAT REDEVELOPMENT PLAN BY ORDINANCE, WHICH TAKES TWO READINGS. 
          SO IF YOU SEE THE MATTER, WE'RE ALREADY INTO MARCH. 
          WE'RE ALREADY INTO MARCH. 
          YEAH. 
          THE THE SECOND READING MUST BE COMPLETED BY MARCH 31ST, CORRECT? YES. 
          AT THAT SAME MEETING, WE COULD DO THE REDEVELOPMENT AGREEMENT IF, IF THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS APPROVED AND THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE PLANNING BOARD, THERE NEEDS TO BE ONE PLANNING BOARD MEETING PRIOR TO THAT. 
          CORRECT. 
          THERE NEEDS TO BE A PLANNING BOARD MEETING TO HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          YEAH. 
          ON WHETHER OR NOT THE SITE SHOULD BE AN AREA TO RE UH, NEED A REDEVELOPMENT THAT REQUIRES TWO WEEKS OF PUBLIC NOTICE. 
          THEN THERE'S A PUBLIC HEARING, AND THE PLANNING BOARD THEN DETERMINES THAT THE SITES QUALIFY. 
          IF THEY QUALIFY, THEY THEN PREPARE A REDEVELOPMENT CLAIM. 
          THE TOWN PREPARES A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, PASSES IT ON FIRST READING, REFERS IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR APPROVAL, COMES BACK TO THE COUNCIL FOR SECOND REVIEW, AND THEN THE ORDINANCE. 
          RIGHT. 
          ? WELL, THAT'S THE, OR YEAH, THAT'S THE ORDINANCE. 
          THAT'S THE ORDINANCE. 
          OKAY. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO RUSH. 
          I JUST, THE TIMEFRAME IS, IS, YEAH, IT'S THE SAME THING. 
          IT HAS TO BE DONE BY MARCH 31ST. 
          IT'S ALL THE SAME STUFF FOR ALL THREE SITES. 
          WE COULD ADD IN A SPECIAL MEETING THOUGH, IF NEEDED. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE COULD ADD IN A SPECIAL MEETING THOUGH, IF NEEDED. 
          YES. 
          OR WOULD, WOULD IT GIVE US TIME AS WHEN COULD, COULD YOU DO THE RESOLUTION AT A SPECIAL MEETING? YEAH. 
          YES, YOU CERTAINLY COULD. 
          IF YOU'RE WILLING TO MEET. 
          WELL, WE'RE MEETING JANUARY 6TH, BUT THAT'S REORGANIZATION. 
          RIGHT. 
          UM, I DON'T KNOW HOW THE NEW COUNCIL PEOPLE WILL, WILL, WILL, WILL FEEL ABOUT IT OR VOTE, VOTE FOR IT. 
          UM, IT COULD BE A SPECIAL MEETING BETWEEN JANUARY 6TH AND JANUARY 20TH. 
          I'M NOT SURE WHEN THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING IS IN JANUARY. 
          PROBABLY THE FOURTH WEDNESDAY IF THEY STICK TO THEIR SAME SCHEDULE. 
          SO WE COULD DO IT, YOU COULD DO IT IN JANUARY 6TH OR A SPECIAL MEETING BEFORE JANUARY 20TH. 
          THAT'S A GREAT IDEA. 
          I'M RELUCTANT TO HAVE THE NEW COUNSEL HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT IN LIGHT OF ALL THE HISTORY. 
          UM, AND I'M NOT FOR, I'M NOT, THAT'S, NO, THAT'S NOT A LOADED STATEMENT. 
          IT'S JUST, I'M, I THINK YOU'RE EXPECTING A LOT. 
          I I'M JUST GOING TO, I I'M NOT ASKING FOR A STRAW POLL HERE, BUT, UM, I CAN DEFINITELY UNDERSTAND THROUGH YOUR PRESENTATION EARLIER IN THE EVENING, THE NEED FOR RESOLUTION TWO 17. 
          'CAUSE THE LAFFY SITE IS, DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPER CERTIFICATION. 
          IT DOESN'T SATISFY OUR FAIR SHARE HOUSING NEEDS. 
          WE DON'T HAVE A SATISFIED PLAN AT THIS POINT. 
          UM, 
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AND I HEARD OBVIOUSLY ALL 24 PEOPLE THAT SPOKE. 
          SURE. 
          UM, THE RESOLUTION TWO 17 WILL ALLOW US TO HAVE A PLAN THAT SATISFIES OUR NEEDS. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          ONE A WOULD WOULD BE THE STEP THAT WOULD SEND IT TO THE PLANNING BOARD, CORRECT? WELL, WE HAVE TO, ONCE, ONCE WE ADOPT THE PLAN, UM, WE HAVE UNTIL MARCH 31ST TO EITHER DESIGNATE THE AREAS AS AN AREA IN REDEVELOPMENT OR PASS A ZONING ORDINANCE TO CHANGE THE ZONING BECAUSE EITHER OF THAT PARCEL, UH, ALL THREE PARCELS. 
          OKAY. 
          AND AS I INDICATED EARLIER, I PREFER THE REDEVELOPMENT PROCESS BECAUSE IT GIVES US MORE FLEXIBILITY, BUT EITHER ONE HAS TO BE DONE WITH TWO READINGS OF COUNCIL AND TWO, AT LEAST TWO PLANNING BOARD HEARINGS. 
          SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FOUR MEETINGS IN BY MARCH 31ST? YEAH. 
          AND AGAIN, JUST, JUST, AND THAT'S, IF EVERYTHING GOES , YOU KNOW, I, I BELIEVE IN MR. PRIME'S ASSESSMENT OF THAT REDEVELOPMENT GIVES THE TOWN AS MUCH CONTROL AS POSSIBLE IN THESE INSTANCES. 
          UM, I IT'S, I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE LIGHT OF IT, BUT, BUT REMEMBER WE'VE ALREADY PASSED IT ONE 10. 
          YEAH. 
          YEAH. 
          THIS JUST MENS, THIS ONE, THIS IS CORRECTING THE SITES. 
          YEAH, YEAH. 
          I UNDERSTAND. 
          YEAH. 
          CAN I ADDRESS THE PUBLIC REAL FAST? SURE. 
          YEAH. 
          UM, SO IN THE STATE NEW JERSEY, THERE'S A SUNSHINE LAW. 
          THE FIVE OF US CANNOT MEET ASIDE FROM THESE MEETINGS. 
          SO ONLY TWO OF US CAN TALK AT ONE TIME. 
          SO IT'S VERY DIFFICULT FOR US TO, I WOULDN'T EVEN SAY REACH A CONSENSUS TO UNDERSTAND HOW WE FEEL ABOUT THESE THINGS. 
          SO, UM, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, OBVIOUSLY APPROVING A NEW POLICE CAR OR GRANTING A POLICE CONTRACT THAT WAS RIGHTFULLY OWED, THESE ARE, THESE ARE EASY THINGS TO SAY YES TO. 
          UM, IN THESE INSTANCES, THESE ARE VERY HARD THINGS TO FACTOR, YOU KNOW, I DON'T WANNA SAY ON THE FLY, BUT IN THIS SETTING, UM, I THINK WE'RE ALL KIND OF WHAT, I DON'T THINK ANYBODY'S A HUNDRED PERCENT HERE, BUT, UH, WE'RE, WE KNOW WHAT THESE THINGS MEAN TO OUR TOWN IF WE DON'T DO THEM. 
          AND IT'S, IT'S A CHALLENGE TO, TO, TO VOTE YES TO THESE THINGS. 
          BUT, UM, THAT MAY BE THE RIGHT THING. 
          HE'S NOT DO IT DOWN. 
          HE CALLED PEOPLE DRIP OFF TONIGHT. 
          COME ON, DON'T DO IT. 
          YOU'RE TRUST. 
          WE CAN'T APOLOGIZE AND PEOPLE OFF. 
          THAT'S, IT'S NOT ABOUT THAT. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          WE, WE SIMPLY CAN'T YELL FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU FOR UNDERSTANDING. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          DO YOU INVESTIGATE? THANK YOU. 
          NO, THANK YOU. 
          I I'M SORRY. 
          WE, WE SIMPLY CAN'T SPEAK FROM THE AUDIENCE. 
          THANK YOU VERY MUCH. 
          I WAS JUST ADDRESSING THE SILENCE MORE THAN ANYTHING THERE. 
          NO, I, UM, AS, AS I HAD STATED, I CAN GET BEHIND EVERYTHING UP TO TWO 17. 
          I THINK ONE 10 A IS THE ONE I'M STRUGGLING WITH. 
          ISN'T THAT CHANGING THE DESIGNATION FROM ONE PROPERTY TO ANOTHER? AND THEN WE ALREADY SENT ONE 10 TO THE PLANNING BOARD, CORRECT? YES. 
          SO THEY ALREADY HAVE THE APPROVAL TO LOOK AT, WELL, THREE PROPERTIES, BUT ONE THAT WE'RE NOT DOING ANYMORE. 
          YEAH. 
          AND I, AND I DON'T WANT 'EM LOOKING AT THE OTHER ONE. 
          , I, I'M LIKE, DO WE NOT WANNA PROVE THIS? 'CAUSE SOMEONE DOESN'T LIKE THAT PROPERTY ON IT IS, I'M JUST TRYING TO UNDERSTAND WHAT THE ISSUE IS, IS WITH IT. 
          I MEAN, IF WE DON'T LIKE THAT PROPERTY, WE'VE GOT, I MEAN THAT'S WHAT'S IN THE PLAN THAT WE'RE, WE'RE TURNING IN BY DECEMBER 31ST. 
          CORRECT? CORRECT. 
          SO 
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IT'S REFERENCING THESE SO I, I'M JUST, I'M TRYING TO UNDERSTAND THE CONCERN. 
          YEAH. 
          LIKE IF WE'RE OKAY WITH TWO 17, 'CAUSE WE AT LEAST MOST OF US THINK MAYBE ALL OF US THINK WE HAVE TO, I'M NOT SURE WHAT DELAYING ONE 10 A DOES FORCE, BUT, UM, ENLIGHTEN ME IF YOU . 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I DON'T KNOW. 
          I MEAN, TWO 17 IS THE ONE THAT ALL THE PEOPLE THAT GOT UP AND SPOKE WANT US TO NOT APPROVE. 
          NOT NO, I'M CORRECT. 
          ONE 10 A HAVE TO MA'AM. 
          WELL, YES, AGAIN, THAT, THAT IS THE, THAT'S THE PRIMARY RESOLUTION. 
          2 17, 1 10 IS JUST CLARIFYING, CORRECTING THE RESOLUTION OF THE SALARY EXTENT FOR PLANNING BOARD. 
          I'M NOT TRYING TO MAKE IT, BUT I'M NOT TRYING TO, IT DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. 
          BUT THAT THAT'S, IT DOES GO HAND IN HAND WITH 2 2 17 IN THE SENSE THAT IT'S NOW THE CORRECT SITE THAT WE'RE STUDYING THE PLANNING. 
          WE, WE WANT THE PLANNING BOARD TO STUDY. 
          SO FROM ONE 10, NOT ONE 10 A OF ONE 10 THAT WAS SENT TO THEM, WE'RE CHANGING ONE PROPERTY. 
          YES. 
          HAS THERE BEEN A PLANNING BOARD MEETING SINCE? NO. 
          SINCE ONE 10? NO, BECAUSE THERE HAS TO BE A PUBLIC HEARING. 
          WE HAVE TO ADVERTISE IT AS SUCH AND WE HAVE TO HAVE A MAP ON FILE THERE. 
          THERE'S THINGS WE HAVE TO DO BEFORE WE HAVE THAT PUBLIC HEARING. 
          UH, MR. MR. PRIME, ARE THERE OTHER OPTIONS HERE TO VOTE FOR THE REMAINDER OF THE CONSENT OR AGENDA RESOLUTIONS AND TO PULL OUT ONE 10 A AND VOTE ON THAT SEPARATELY? IF, IF, IF YOU WISH TO REMOVE THE TWO RESOLUTIONS FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA AND THEN THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA, YOU CAN DO THAT AND THEN HAVE THE OTHER TWO RESOLUTIONS VOTED ON SEPARATELY? YES, YOU CAN DO THAT. 
          IT SHOULD BE DONE BY MOTION, UM, BY SOMEONE TO, TO REMOVE IT FROM THE AGENDA. 
          AND, AND THEN, UM, THAT MOTION SHOULD PASS AND THEN YOU CAN VOTE ON THE PRESENT AGENDA. 
          THEN YOU HAVE TO COME BACK AND VOTE ON THE OTHER END OF THE IS THAT SOMETHING WE WOULD LIKE, UH, LIKE TO DO? I THINK SO. 
          OKAY. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO REMOVE RESOLUTION 2 17 20 25 AND RESOLUTION ONE 10 A DASH 2025 FROM THE CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTION LIST? SO MOVED SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? I'M, I'M ACTUALLY OPPOSED, I'M OPPOSED TO IT AS WELL. 
          OKAY, WELL THE MOTION CARRIES. 
          ALL RIGHT, SO THEN WE WILL GO TO THE VOTE FOR, UH, THE CONSENT RELU CONSENT AGENDA RESOLUTIONS. 
          WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE THE CONSENT AGENDA? RESOLUTIONS? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? A AYE, ROLL CALL FOR APPROVAL PLEASE. 
          CHAIR MS. MILL. 
          AYE. 
          MS. SIMON? AYE. 
          MR. WATSON? AYE. 
          DEPUTY MAYOR? AYE. 
          MAYOR REP SCOTT. 
          AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO NOW WE HAVE ON THE DOCKET WE WILL, WE, WE'LL INVESTIGATE THESE ONE AT A TIME. 
          IS THAT CORRECT, MR. BROWN? WE CAN DO IT ONE AT A TIME OR A MOTION COULD BE DONE FOR BOTH. 
          IT'S UP TO WHOEVER MAKES THE MOTION. 
          WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION AND, AND PLEASE, UH, DIRECT EXACTLY WHAT IT IS THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE HAPPEN. 
          AT THIS POINT? I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE BOTH RESOLUTION. 
          MAY I SECOND THAT? YOU, YOU CAN. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I WOULD LIKE TO SECOND THAT THEN. 
          DISCUSSION OR VOTE ANY, ANY DISCUSSION ON THAT? I JUST DON'T SEE THE PURPOSE, SO THAT'S WHY I MADE THE MOTION. 
          YEAH. 
          HAVE TO BE, HAVE TO BE DONE BY ROLL CALL. 
          YES. 
          IT'S BEEN, IT'S BEEN SECONDED. 
          OKAY. 
          YES, CORRECT. 
          NO ONE SECONDED IT OR DID SO? I, I OH, OKAY. 
          I'M SORRY. 
          SO WAIT, SO IT'S NOT A SEPARATE TIME. 
          WE'RE DOING IT NOW. 
          IS THAT CORRECT? FOR THOSE TWO? YES. 
          OKAY. 
          I MISUNDERSTOOD. 
          YES. 
          SO WE'RE NOW ROLL CALL FOR BOTH, BOTH, BOTH TO BE VOTED, BOTH RESOLUTIONS. 
          YES. 
          YOU WANNA CALL THAT NOW? IS IS THERE FURTHER DISCUSSION THAT SHOULD HAPPEN? SHOULD THAT HAPPEN CURRENTLY? YOU CAN HAVE FURTHER DISCUSSION. 
          YES. 
          I, I'M, I DON'T WANT TO BE ACCUSED OF INFLUENCING YOU. 
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I DON'T, UM, IF YOU'RE INCLINED TO VOTE FOR TWO 17, I DON'T THINK YOU SHOULD POSTPONE THIS TO A NEW COUNSEL. 
          IT'S NOT FAIR TO THEM. 
          THEY DON'T HAVE THE BACKGROUND. 
          THERE'S THREE OUT OF TWO OF YOU WILL BE ASKED, BUT, BUT THE THREE OF THEM ARE GETTING THE COLD AND THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH, THEY'RE GONNA HAVE ENOUGH TO DO WHEN THEY HAVE TO CONSIDER THE REZONING, THE REDEVELOPMENT PLANS, THE THINGS THAT ACTUALLY REZONE THE PROPERTIES, UM, BECAUSE OF THE PECULIAR NATURE OF THAT TIMING, I WOULD URGE YOU TO VOTE FOR BOTH, BOTH OF THEM. 
          MOVE IT ON AND SEE WHERE IT GOES. 
          I MEAN, AGAIN, IT'S NOT THE END OF THE, IT, IT'S THE PLAN. 
          IT'S MOVING THE PLAN AND IT DOES PUT THE PLAN IN IN STONE, BUT IT DOESN'T GO ANY FURTHER. 
          THERE'S STILL WORK TO BE DONE AND THE NEW FOLKS ARE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH THAT. 
          AND YOU TWO GUYS RETAINING ROMANIA ARE GONNA HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT. 
          BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO KICK IT OVER PIECEMEAL WHEN THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IT, IN MY OPINION. 
          YOU, YOU JUST SAID THAT THIS WOULD BE WRITTEN IN STONE AT THAT POINT. 
          THE PLAN WOULD BE, THE PLAN WOULD BE, OKAY, THE PLAN WILL BE ADOPTED. 
          IT'LL BE A, AND I SHOULD, WELL NOT THAT THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT, FAIR SHARE AND THE COURT HAVE ALREADY APPROVED THE PLAN, THE AMENDMENT. 
          SO THIS IS REALLY MORE OF A MINISTERIAL ACT, BUT IT IS AN ACT. 
          WELL, IT'S STILL AN ACT. 
          IT'S STILL SOMETHING THAT THE PLANNING, THERE'S SOMETHING HAVE TO DO, HAVE TO DO. 
          BRING IT BACK TO COUNSEL, YOU SAID? YEP. 
          UM, I'M JUST TRYING TO PUT IT IN SOME TYPE OF LOGICAL FRAMEWORK IN ORDER I UNDERSTAND. 
          BUT I ALSO LISTEN TO THE RESIDENTS. 
          SOMETIMES THEY DON'T BELIEVE THAT WE'RE LISTENING, BUT WE ARE LISTENING AND I WITNESSED, UM, SOME ISSUES IN, IN ANOTHER TOWN LOCALLY WHERE THE RESIDENTS REALLY CAME OUT TO SPEAK. 
          AND I JUST FEEL THAT I CAN'T MAKE A, A FIRM DECISION ON THIS RESOLUTION. 
          I THE RIGHT THING IT ON BOTH. 
          IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO BE UP HERE. 
          IT'S REALLY DIFFICULT TO WANT TO MAKE A CHANGE ON SOMETHING. 
          BUT I I JUST, SORRY, I COULD NOT DO IT RIGHT NOW. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THANK YOU. 
          MAYBE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BOTH RESOLUTIONS? NO. 
          THEN WE SHOULD SEPARATE THEM. 
          YEAH. 
          OKAY. 
          WE SHOULD SEPARATE THEM. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION TWO 17 DASH 2025. 
          CORRECT. 
          I'LL SECOND THAT. 
          ALRIGHT, I ROLL. 
          WOULD YOU LIKE A ROLL CALL FOR THAT? YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ROLL CALL FOR APPROVAL. 
          MS. MILL. 
          AYE. 
          MS. SIMONS? NO. 
          MR. WATSON. 
          AYE. 
          DR. 
          MAYOR CIZIK. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR ABAD. 
          AYE. 
          AND NOW I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT WE APPROVE RESOLUTION ONE 10 A DASH 2025. 
          YES. 
          ALRIGHT, I WILL SECOND THAT AGAIN. 
          YES. 
          MS. MILK? NO. 
          MS. SIMONS? NO. 
          MR. WATSON AYE. 
          OR YES. 
          DEPUTY MAYOR? NO. 
          MAYOR AYE. 
          ALRIGHT, SO THE UH, RESOLUTION ONE 10 DASH A DASH 20, UH, ONE 10 A DASH 2025 DOES NOT CARRY, UH, WE HAVE NO RESOLUTIONS THIS EVENING. 
          AND SO NOW WE'LL HEAD INTO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          RESOLUTION ES 12 DASH 16 DASH 2025 MATTERS RELATING TO EMPLOYMENT RELATIONSHIP TEN FOUR DASH 12 B SECTION EIGHT AND CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. 
          POLICE, UH, OFFICERS ASSOCIATIONS SUPERIOR ASSOCIATION NJS A TEN FOUR DASH 12 B SECTION FOUR. 
          WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION? SECOND. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? THE MOTION IS APPROVED WILL BE HEADED INTO OUR EXECUTIVE SESSION. 
          WE'RE WELCOME TO STATE YOU'D LIKE ACTION MAY BE TAKEN. 
          OKAY. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          SO I RECONVENED THE OPEN PORTION OF THE MEETING. 
          WE DISCUSSED ALL THE ITEMS ON THE EXECUTIVE SESSION AGENDA AND ACTION WAS TAKEN. 
          WOULD SOMEONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO ADD RESOLUTION TWO 20 DASH 2025 CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? ALRIGHT, THE RESOLUTION IS ADDED. 
          SO WE DISCUSSED RESOLUTION TWO 20 DASH 2025, THE CONTRACT AMENDMENT TO THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER. 
          UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? 
          [03:35:02]
ALRIGHT, HEARING NONE, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE RESOLUTION? SO MOVED. 
          SECOND. 
          ALRIGHT, ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          OPPOSED? AND TARA, WOULD YOU LIKE A ROLL CALL FOR THAT? UM, YES. 
          ALRIGHT. 
          ROLL CALL FOR APPROVAL PLEASE. 
          MS. MILK? AYE. 
          MS. SIMON? AYE. 
          MR. WATSON, DEPUTY MAYOR. 
          ICK. 
          AYE. 
          MAYOR ESTOCK. 
          AYE. 
          THANK YOU ALL. 
          UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED. 
          , CAN YOU SECOND IT HERE? OH, I CAN I SECOND MY MOMENT? YOU CAN SECOND. 
          SURE. 
          ALL RIGHT, WELL THEN I SECOND IT. 
          ALL RIGHT. 
          ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. 
          AYE. 
          OPPOSED? MERRY CHRISTMAS EVERYONE. 
          THE MEETING IS ADJOURNED. 
          WE'LL LEAVE YOU HERE. 
          THANK YOU. 
          THIS IS, THIS IS HARD.
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