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[9. Applications]
DEFENSE, OTHERWISE, YES, DEFENSE CONSTRUCTS THE DEFENSE.AND THEN THERE'S AN UNLAWFUL FENCE IN THE RIGHT WAY THAT COULD HAVE LIABILITY IMPLICATIONS FOR THE, SO I THINK TO HAVE, ARE YOU DOING THE FENCING IN TWO PARTS? 'CAUSE IT SOUNDS LIKE YOU WERE, THE BACK FENCE IS ONE.
NO, YOU WERE DOING IT ALL AT ONE.
THERE'S AN EXISTING REAR YARD FENCE YOU WANNA REPLACE IT.
I ORIGINALLY, IF THERE'S A SHOT OF THE BACK FENCE, THERE IS ONE.
IT'S LIKE SIX AND A HALF PANELS THAT I'M GONNA HAVE ACTIVE FENCE THAT ARE ONLY BETWEEN YOU AND THAT PARKING LOT BACK THERE.
THAT IS NOT IN THE RIGHT OF PIPE RIGHT NOW.
SO THAT'S THE ONLY SECTION HE'S PUTTING IN RIGHT NOW.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT WOULD BE AT RISK WOULD BE THIS NEW SECTION ON CHARLES STREET THAT'S BETWEEN HIS PARKING LOT BEHIND HIS HOUSE AND HIS HOUSE.
THAT'S THE ONLY SECTION YOU'RE PUTTING IN THAT'S NEW.
EVERYTHING ELSE IS DONE IS, I THOUGHT YOU SAID THERE WAS AN EXISTING FENCE IN THE REAR THAT YOU WANTED, YOU WANTED THAT REPLACED.
THAT'S WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT AND HIS HOUSE.
SO IT'S THERE ALREADY AND IT THERE, IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY FOR THAT.
AND IT'S NOT IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE ONLY THING THAT IS AT RISK IS IF SOMEBODY COMES UP FOR THE RIGHT, IT'S NOT A PIECE THAT HAS THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT'S BEING CHALLENGED RIGHT NOW.
BUT IF THE FENCE STAYS WHERE THE, THE CURRENT FENCE IN THE RIGHT OF WAY STAYS WHERE IT IS RIGHT NOW.
BECAUSE THE COUNSEL STILL HAS TO YEP.
SO, AND, AND MAYBE THE BOARD WANTS TO AMEND THAT TO SAY, AND IF HE'S NOT SUCCESSFUL WITH COUNSEL, THEN HE'LL BILL A COMPLIANT FENCE OR RETURN TO THE BOARD.
IT, IT KIND OF GOES WITHOUT SAYING JUST TO HELP GUIDE THE OUT.
WELL, WELL, CAN, CAN I JUST ASK A QUESTION? THE REAR FENCE, ALRIGHT.
WHY DOES HE NEED PERMISSION FOR THAT? IF HE, HE'S ENTITLED TO A SIX FOOT FENCE IN THE REAR OF HIS YARD.
BUT HE'S ASKING FOR SIX AND A HALF FEET, SO THAT REQUIRES SOME VARIANCE.
PART OF THE, WHY DON'T YOU JUST GO SIX FOOT NOTS, THE NEW SECTION.
HE'S ONLY ASKING FOR SIX FOOT IN THE BACK.
I THINK WHEN SAY SIX AND A HALF FEET, I DIDN'T KNOW THEY MADE SIX AND A HALF.
THAT'S WHY I'M SAYING YEAH, YOU, YOU'RE GOING TO LOWE'S AND BY A SIX FOOT FENCE OR SOMEWHERE, RIGHT? NO, I'M GOING TO ACCO FENCE.
I'M TOO OLD TO CLEARED UP NOW.
WHAT? THEY'RE GONNA CUSTOM MAKE IT FOR YOU? WHAT'S THAT? THEY'RE GONNA CUSTOM MAKE IT FOR YOU.
I ONLY THOUGHT THEY CAME IN SIX FOOT.
YEAH, THEY'RE GONNA MAKE IT SO IT THE, UH, UH, WHAT YOU CALL, I, I JUST NEED ALL, SO IF YOU WANT TO PUT A FENCE UP WHAT? WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL IN THE REAR, WITHOUT GOING THROUGH ALL THIS HASSLE OR PUT UP A SIX FOOT FENCE, NOT, AND A HALF FOOT FENCE.
BUT, BUT THAT ALONG THAT REAR PROPERTY LINE, RIGHT.
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THAT IS THE LAST 20 FEET TOWARDS CHARLES STREET.OH, THAT'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY THAT TECHNICALLY COMES INTO A FRONT CHARLES STREET.
WHERE, WHERE THE FIRST 20 FEET RIGHT, IS THE CLOSEST TO CHARLES.
WELL, AND THAT'S GONNA BE, I'M SORRY, THAT'S GONNA BE FOUR FOOT, WHICH ANN TOLD ME THE LAST PANEL CLOSEST TO THE ROAD WOULD BE FOUR FOOT ON, ON CHARLES STREET.
IS THIS THE RIGHT WAY? SO THIS IS ALL, ALRIGHT, SO TRIP.
WAIT FOR THE DEMORALIZATION OF THE THE MM-HMM
YOU SHOULD THE APPEALS PROCESS THAT'S SEPARATE FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY ISSUE.
HUNDRED PERCENT SEPARATE TOWN COUNSEL.
SO MR. TAYLOR WAS SUGGESTING THAT WE MAKE SOME SORT OF AMENDMENT TO THE APPROVAL THAT INCORPORATES NO, I AGREE.
HE DOES NOT RECEIVE, UM, APPROVAL.
APPROVAL WITHIN WAIT SIX SECONDS TO COME BACK TO US.
UM, HOW DO WE, DO I NEED TO MAKE ANOTHER MOTION.
JUST ADD THAT INTO THAT MOTION.
AND DID WE NEED TO GIVE LIKE A TIME? I MEAN, HOW DO WE DO THAT? HOW DOES LIKE THAT'S LIKE
HOW LONG DOES TAKE OR SOMETHING SUGGESTING? WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS COME UP WITH AN OPTION IF BY SOME, SOME CHANCE THE TOWN COMES BACK, THE OTHER ENTITY INVOLVED AND SAYS NO.
SO WHAT WE'RE DISCUSSING IS TO GIVE YOU THE OPTION TO COME BACK IN A FEW MONTHS.
FOR SOME REASON THE TOWN SAYS, SAYS NO, WE'RE NOT INCLINED TO GIVE YOU THAT LEASER LICENSE.
YOU CAN BUILD A COMPLIANT FENCE THAT IS FOUR FEET HIGH AND 50% OPEN, WHICH IS REALLY NOT WHAT YOU WANT.
OR YOU CAN COME BACK AND JUST GENERALLY, SO IT DOESN'T REMAIN AS AN OPEN ITEM.
THE BOARD COULD GIVE YOU FOUR MONTHS TO COMPLETE THAT PROCESS.
THAT WAY MS. BELL CAN IDENTIFY THAT AND WE DON'T, TWO YEARS FROM NOW, WONDER WHATEVER HAPPENED WITH THAT FENCE IN CHARLES STREET.
SHOULD WE DO SIX MONTHS? SO I THINK WE SHOULD DO A SIX MONTH TIMEFRAME AND THEN YEAH, IF WE DON'T HEAR, WE ASSUME THE BEST.
SO YOU'RE SAYING, YOU'RE SAYING IF IT'S NOT APPROVED, THEN I WOULD'VE TO GO TO A FOR FOOT TICKET.
WE'RE GIVING YOU THE OPTION TO COME BACK TO US OR BUILD THE COMPLIANT FENCE.
WE'LL GIVE YOU AN OPTION TO COME BACK AND ADDRESS IT AGAIN WITH US.
DISAPPROVED AND THAT'S ALL IS TOWN.
IF THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL DOES NOT AGREE TO LICENSE YOU THAT AREA WHERE THE FENCE, THE AREA WHERE THE FENCE IS CURRENTLY LOCATED.
YOU GUYS? TOWNSHIP COUNCIL? NO, IT WOULD BE THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL.
ALRIGHT, SO BASICALLY WE'RE SAYING BUILD YOUR FENCE AND IF YOU DON'T GET APPROVAL, COME BACK TO US.
YOU COULD GRANT THE VARIANCE FOR IF HE DOESN'T GET THE APPROVAL, GRANT A VARIANCE FOR THAT FENCE THAT HE RELOCATED IN THE FRONT.
MAYBE A COUPLE SIX INCHES OFF THE CONCRETE ON UNTIL HE WOULD, WE CAN GRANT THE VARIANCE FOR THE REAR PORTION.
THAT WOULD SAVE US ANOTHER, THAT WOULD SAVE YOU ANOTHER STEP TOO.
YEAH, I'D LIKE TO DO, UH, YOU KNOW, I DEFINITELY WANT TO ADD THAT TO IT.
IF THEY GET DENIED AT THE TOWNSHIP LEVEL, WE, OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE TO BUILD IT ON YOUR OWN PROPERTY WHERE YOU HAVE THE RIGHT AND IT'S APPROVED IN THE SIX FOOT SIDE SIZE AND OBESITY THAT YOU HAVE RIGHT NOW.
THIS
MOVE IT ONTO YOUR PROPERTY OUT OF THE RIGHT OF WAY.
IF YOU GET DENIED THAT MOVE IN, MOVE IT INTO THE HOUSE.
IF THEY DO NOT GIVE YOU PERMISSION, I'M JUST TRYING TO GIVE YOU ANOTHER OPTION.
IF THE TOWNSHIP SAYS TO YOU, NO, YOU CANNOT BUILD IN THAT RIGHT AWAY, YOU HAVE TO TAKE IT DOWN.
WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU APPROVAL AS A SECONDARY APPROVAL TO PUT IT ON YOUR PROPERTY.
EXACTLY LIKE IT IS APPROVED IN THIS WAY, JUST MOVING ON TO YOUR PROPERTY AND NOT, IS THAT CORRECT? OBJECT TO SURVEY.
I DON'T THINK HE'S, YES, I DON'T THINK HE'S IN THE RIGHT OF WAY.
NO, IN THE FRONT, ON THE SIDE.
THIS IS WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
IT'S THE ONLY THING WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
BUT WE'VE GIVEN YOU ANOTHER APPROVAL IN CASE A FALLBACK APPROVAL.
BASICALLY IT'S ALL THE, THAT IS, IT DOESN'T HAVE TO PULL.
SO JUST SO I UNDERSTAND, IF, IF HE'S DENIED BY TOWN COUNSEL, YOU'RE GIVING HIM THE APPROVAL TO MOVE THE FENCE ONTO HIS YARD AND KEEP THE SIZE AND OPAQUENESS AS IS, RIGHT? CORRECT.
HOW YOU SAY THE WHOLE FENCE, YOU WRITE THAT AS RELOCATE OR RECONSTRUCT THAT WAY IT'S MORE FLEXIBLE.
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DO WE WANT TO INCLUDE THAT IN THE KNOWING THAT COUNCILSHIP COUNSEL'S GONNA READ THIS AND NOW THEY'RE GONNA HAVE LIKE A SCAPEGOAT TYPE OF THING? YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? NO, I DON'T.MOST COUNSELS DON'T FEEL OBLIGATED ONE WAY OR ANOTHER FROM A LIABILITY STANDPOINT TO FOLLOW.
WE, WE HAVE A DIFFERENT SET OF RULES.
THEY HAVE THEIR OWN LIABILITIES.
OKAY, SO I'M JUST SAYING IF WE PUT TOO MUCH OUT THERE, THEY'RE GONNA BE LIKE A OR B, HUH.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I JUST, WE WE CAN COORDINATE, UM OKAY.
WITH THE BOARD AND THE TOWN ATTORNEY'S OFFICE TO MAKE SURE THEY TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO YOU MADE A MOTION TO, TO AMEND.
I AMENDED THE MOTION AND YOU SECONDED IT.
AND WE ALL VOTED UPON IT, RIGHT? NO, NOW WE NEED, NOW WE NEED IT.
WE NEED A ROLL CALL AND I CAN DO IT AGAIN.
WE HAD AMEND I AGAIN, I I WOULD, I WOULD WAIT.
REALLY? MY SUGGESTION WOULD BE IT'S AT RISK.
WE GET TO APPROVE THIS AT NEXT MONTH'S MEETING.
AND IF THERE, BUT I MEAN, WHAT WOULD BE DENIED ABOUT THE BACK FENCES? THERE'S ALWAYS A CHANCE THAT SOMEBODY COULD STAND UP FROM THE, FROM THE TOWN AND COME IN AND SAY THEY DON'T WHATEVER APPEAL IT OR WHAT'S THE WORDS? IT COULD BE ONE, ONE CHANCE OUT OF A HUNDRED THOUSAND.
SOMEBODY MIGHT NOT LIKE IT THAT HE, THAT THAT'S WHAT ALWAYS DONE.
AND NEIGHBORS COULD BE ANYTHING.
WELL YOU, THERE'S A VERY LITTLE CHANCE, BUT I'M JUST SAYING THERE IS A CHANCE.
SO YOU PROCEED AT YOUR OWN RISK IF YOU WANT TO ORDER THAT THE APPROVAL BECOMES OFFICIAL IN 30 DAYS.
SO IT MIGHT BE THAT LONG BEFORE, RIGHT.
SORRY,
THANK THIS IS THE REAR OF THIS PROPERTY.
THIS LINE RIGHT IS HIS PROPERTY.
THIS IS THE RIGHT OF WAY AND HERE IS WHERE THE FENCE.
NEXT APPLICATION IS JUSTIN DAVIS, 66TH NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 30 11.
LOT THREE SEEKING BULK VARIANCES FOR FRONT YARD AND SIDE YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT A SECOND STORY ADDITION.
HI, HOW ARE YOU? WELL, HOW ARE YOU? LET ME HAVE YOU GET SWORN IN REALLY QUICK.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE, UH, STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST JUSTIN THREE DAVIS.
TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION.
SO I TYPED UP A RESPONSE IN RESPONSE TO THE TALE OF DESIGN, HER PERFECT LETTER.
SO I'M GONNA GO THROUGH THIS AS QUICK AS I CAN.
UM, THIS VARIANCE AS FOR A SINGLE FAMILY HOME, UH, 66 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST.
IT'S A STORY AND A HALF SITS ON ROUGHLY HALF AN ACRE AND IS IN MEDFORD'S GROVE DISTRICT.
I'M REQUESTING RELIEF FROM SETBACK REQUIREMENTS DESCRIBED IN SECTION 4 0 3 AND NONCONFORMING STANDARDS FIVE 90.
THE FRONT YARD IS THREE INCHES OR 0.25 FEET SHORT OF THE STANDARD EAST SIDE OF THE YARD IS 4.31 FEET SHORT AND THE WEST SIDE YARD IS 3.85 UH, FEET.
SHOT RELIEF IS REQUESTED CONSTRUCT OUR VERTICAL ADDITION AND MASTER SUITE ABOVE THE GARAGE AND A SHED DORMER ON THE EAST SIDE OF THE HOME.
UM, THE RENOVATION ALLOWS US TO REARRANGE THE INTERIOR OF THE SECOND FLOOR TO CREATE A HALLWAY TO THE BEDROOM THAT WOULD GO ABOVE THE GARAGE.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO HIGHLIGHT THAT ALL ADDITIONS AND RENOVATIONS EXIST INSIDE THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME.
UM, THERE IS NO FURTHER ENCROACHMENT INTO THE SETBACKS OUTSIDE OF WHAT IS ALREADY THERE.
UM, AND THEN HERE THE QUESTIONS FROM THE TAYLOR DESIGN ROOM, UH, PROVIDE TESTIMONY AND SUPPORT THAT REQUIRE VARIANCE IS PURSUANT TO THE CODE.
UM, THE REQUEST RELATES TO A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY.
THIS IS DIRECTLY RELATED TO 66 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST.
UM, THE DENIAL OF VARIANCES WOULD RESULT IN EXCEPTIONAL, PRACTICAL, UM, DIFFICULTIES OR UNDUE HARDSHIP ON THE APPLICANT.
UH, DENIAL OF THIS VARIANCE WOULD RESULT IN US HAVING TO EITHER REDESIGN THE ENTIRE PROJECT OR RELOCATE TO A HOME THAT WOULD BETTER OUR NEEDS.
UM, EITHER OPTION CREATES A FINANCIAL BURDEN ON MY FAMILY.
THE VERTICAL ADDITION ALLOWS OUR FAMILY TO GROW AND SUPPORTS THE FUTURE OR SUPPORTS OUR FUTURE IN THE COMMUNITY.
UM, C THE VARIANCE CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL
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DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC.I DIDN'T SEE ANY DETRIMENT TO PUBLIC GOOD OR, UH, UM, ADDITION ON, UH, THE BENEFITS OF THE DEVIATIONS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT, UM, IF APPROVED THE VALUE OF THE HOME WOULD INCREASE, THEREFORE, INCREASING THE ALREADY VERY DESIRABLE ATTRACTION TO THE COMMUNITY.
UH, INCREASE HOME VALUES, IMPROVE THE LOCAL TAX BASE, INCREASE SCHOOL FUNDING AND INSPIRE STRONG COMMUNITY UPKEEP AND INVESTMENT.
UM, E IN THEIR LETTER WAS VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT FOR PURPOSES OF THE ZONING PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE.
CONSTRUCTION REMAINS INSIDE THE CURRENT FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME AND ONLY SLIGHTLY IMPEDES ON THE CURRENT SETBACK REQUIRED FOR ADDITIONS.
ALL WORK IS THE MINIMUS AND KEEPS WITHIN THE INTENT OF THE GROWTH DISTRICT ZONING PLAN.
UM, FURTHER TESTIMONY REGARDING THE PROPOSED ARCHITECTURE AND COLORS OF THE STRUCTURE, UH, WHICH SHOULD BEARY TO EXISTING BUILDING.
UM, THE ARCHITECTURE WOULD REMAIN IN A SIMILAR CAPE COD STYLE WITH EXTERIOR MATERIALS BEING VINYL SIDING BLUE OR BLUE GRAY.
WE'RE KIND OF GOING BACK AND FORTH WITH THE COLOR RIGHT NOW.
UM, HOW STYLE AND COLOR WOULD COMPLIMENT THE NEIGHBORHOOD THAT HAS SIMILARLY DESIGNED COLORS.
UM, NEXT QUESTION, UH, WAS ABOUT THE TREES.
UM, THE VERTICAL ADDITION WILL NOT TO SERVE ANY TREES, SIX INCHES OF CALIBER OR GREATER AS ALL WORK IS GOING TO TAKE PLACE INSIDE THE FOOTPRINT OF THE HOME.
UM, IF TREES ARE DAMAGED, NO TREES WILL BE DAMAGED BECAUSE OF CONSTRUCTION INSIDE OF THE FOOTPRINT.
AND THEN, UM, SITE BUILD LIGHTING.
UM, EXTERIOR LIGHTING WILL BE CONSERVATIVE POINTED DOWNWARD TOWARDS THE HOME ENTRIES SUCH AS THE GARAGE FRONT DOOR AND BACK DOORS.
FULL CUTOFF LIGHTING WILL BE INSTALLED WITH DRIVEWAY LIGHTS BEING ON MOTION AND TIMER WITH LOW WA WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE.
THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR YOUR THOROUGHNESS AND, AND ATTENTION TO DETAIL.
UM, SO MR. TAYLOR, I THINK HE ADDRESSED ALL OF YOUR, UH, COMMENTS IN YOUR LETTER.
DO YOU WANT A JOB?
UH, DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS? NOPE.
UH, IF YOU JUST WANT TO STEP TO THE SIDE AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC OR I WILL ASK FOR A MOTION TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO COME FORWARD AND SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION? YOU MAY DO SO NOW.
UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION IF NO ONE HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
MR. AYE, VICE CHAIRMAN RICKERS AYE.
JOHN SHARP, 2 27 BALSON COURT BLOCK 9 0 6 0 3.
SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES FOR EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM BUILDING AND LOCK COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A 420 SQUARE FOOT DECK.
NOT SURE I WANNA GO AFTER HIM.
SHORT STRAW AS SO, UH, WE HAVE UH, REALLY QUICK HOLD ON.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU? CAN I DO PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST JOHN SHARP.
SO CURRENTLY WE HAVE, UH, A PATIO DECK THAT HAS PAPERS ON IT.
AND WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT AN ACTUAL DECK ON TOP OF THE PAPERS.
SO ONE OF MAKE ISSUES IN COVERAGE, BUT HER COVERAGE IS ALREADY IN COURTEOUS.
I'M NOT SURE THE TERM, BUT IT'S ALREADY CREATED AN ISSUE THAT COULD POTENTIALLY HAPPEN DECK.
SO WE'RE JUST TRYING TO PUT A DECK ON TOP OF WHAT'S THERE.
IT'S ALL PRETTY MUCH THE SAME, UM, AS WHAT WE HAVE TODAY.
UM, SO YEAH, JUST PUTTING AN EXISTING, UH, A DECK OVER AN EXISTING PATIO.
AND THEN IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE TESTIMONY, I DON'T WANNA ASSUME, BUT ARE THERE GOING TO BE ANY TREES? NO TREES DOWN.
WHAT'S THE LIGHTING CURRENTLY? DO YOU HAVE ANY LIGHTING? UH, DURING, DURING THE FLOOD LIGHT.
UM, MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? YOU'RE
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NOT GONNA TALK ALLUM, DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS? NO.
SORRY, HE ALREADY KNOWS THE, THE, THE DEAL.
SO THERE WAS A MOTION, A SECOND.
IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME FORWARD.
UH, MY NAME IS, I, UH, MY PROPERTY IS AT, IT ALIGNS WITH TWO SEVEN.
AND THE REASON I'M HERE IS THAT I HAVE CONCERN THAT A CONCRETE, UM, DECK IS GONNA EXTEND TO THE SIDE SIDE OF PROPERTY SEVEN AND SEVEN, CREATING A WATER SETTING THAT AT MY PROPERTY, 2, 2 5.
WHAT I'M HEARING IS THAT THIS CONCRETE WILL BE NOT ON MY SIDELINE.
I JUST WANNA BE ASSURE OF THAT BECAUSE ONCE IT'S DOWN DOWN, I CAN'T COME DOWN.
WE, WE THERE AND I'VE ALREADY HAD DRAINS, YOU KNOW, IN THAT AREA.
AM I CORRECTING WHAT I HEARD THAT IT'LL BE MORE CONCRETE ON THE SIDE WHERE MY PROPERTY IS IS 2, 2 7.
I'LL HAVE, UH, ASK THE APPLICANT TO PROVIDE TESTIMONY CONFIRMING SURE.
THAT, THAT, THAT'S, UH, THE CASE.
'CAUSE I DON'T BELIEVE HE HAS DONE SO YET, BUT THANK YOU.
SO THE, UH, THE COVERAGE IS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO HER SIDE, IF YOU LOOK AT MY HOUSE IS TO THE RIGHT, THIS IS TO THE LEFT.
SO ARE YOU EXTENDING CONCRETE TO HER? NO, THERE'S NO CONCRETE.
YOU'RE JUST LIFTING UP THE PAVERS AND PUTTING NO, HE SAID HE'S PUTTING IT DOWN.
PUT ON TOP OF WHAT'S ALREADY THERE, LEAVING THE P DOWN.
BUT THE PAVERS, THE WHAT'S EXHIBIT HE HAS TO PUT FOOTINGS IN FOR THE, SO HE HAS TO LIFT THE PAVERS UP AND PUT FOOTING.
THAT'S ALL HE IS DOING CERTAIN YOU'RE NOT GOING ON TOP OF THE PAPERS.
AND YOU'RE NOT INCREASING THE CONCRETE.
AND, AND THE BOARD MAY WANT TO IMPOSE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT THAT WILL REMAIN AS AN OPEN JOINTED DECK, THAT IT NOT BE FULLY WATERPROOF.
UM, THERE IS ANY CONCERN ABOUT RIGHT NOW THE ACTUALLY HAVE OPEN JOINTS IN THEM THAT ALLOW WATER TO SEEP INTO THE GROUND.
UM, SOME THAT GET FIBERGLASS MM-HMM
AND THEN THEY BECOME HUNDRED PERCENT IMPERVIOUS AND CAN CHANNELIZE AND INCREASE THE INTENSITY.
SO I WOULD RECOMMEND THAT OPEN.
THE QUESTION WAS, UH, OKAY, IF NO ONE CAN BOARD HAS ANY OTHER QUESTIONS OR COMMENTS, I WILL ENTERTAIN A MOTION.
I'LL UP TO MOTION TO APPROVE WITH THE SLIGHT CAVEAT.
OKAY, LAST APPLICATION OF THE NIGHT YMCA OF THE PINES 1303 STOKES ROAD BLOCK 51 0 1 0 1 LOT ONE SEEKING AN AMENDED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE USE OF THE AURORA TWO BUILDINGS.
MEMBERS OF THE BOARD TO BRIEFLY INTRODUCE MYSELF, MY NAME IS PETER.
I'M AN ATTORNEY AT THE LAW FIRM HIGHLAND SHAPIRO.
I'M HERE TO REPRESENT THE APPLICANT YMCA PINES.
AND I'LL BE HONEST, THE ONLY REASON I'M HERE IS BECAUSE CORPORATE APPLICANTS ARE REQUIRED TO HAVE ATTORNEYS.
THIS IS A RELATIVELY SIMPLE APPLICATION RELATED TO A PRIOR APPROVAL THAT THE APPLICANT RECEIVED LAST YEAR IN OCTOBER, UH, RELATED WHERE THEY RECEIVED PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL AT THE PROPERTY.
UH, 1303 STOKES ROAD BLOCK, 5 1 0 1 0.01, LOT ONE, UH, PRELIMINARY AND FINAL MAJOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL RELATED TO THE CAMPGROUNDS THERE, SPECIFICALLY THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE AURORA TWO BUILDING.
UM, AND THE, THE PRIMARY APPROVAL THAT WE GOT THERE IN ADDITION TO SITE PLAN APPROVAL FOR THE SITE IMPROVEMENTS WAS A USE VARIANCE RELATED TO THE AURORA TWO BUILDING THAT STILL NEEDS TO BE CONSTRUCTED.
WE RECEIVED A USE VARIANCE FROM THE BOARD, ALLOWING US TO USE THAT AS A PRESCHOOL,
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UM, IN THE NON-SUMMER MONTHS WHEN THE CAMP IS OPENED.BUT OF COURSE, BECAUSE THIS IS MEDFORD, YOU HAVE TO GO TO THE PINELANDS COMMISSION TO GET YOUR APPROVALS.
THERE IS AN EASEMENT ON THE PROPERTY, UH, SUBJECT TO THE GREEN ACRES PROGRAM THAT SAYS THAT ONLY CERTAIN USES ARE ALLOWED.
WE ASK THE PINELANDS TO MAKE AN EXCEPTION TO GRANT A VARIANCE.
WE EVEN GOT A LETTER FROM THE SUPERINTENDENT, SUPERINTENDENT OF THE MEDFORD PUBLIC SCHOOL SYSTEM ADVISING THAT THEY NEED THIS, BUT PINELANDS IS PINELANDS.
THEY WEREN'T HAVING IT AND THEY SIMPLY SAID NO.
SO RIGHT NOW WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO IS SIMPLY GET AN AMENDED APPROVAL, ALLOWING US TO CONSTRUCT WHAT WE'VE ALREADY GIVEN, GIVEN APPROVAL TO CONSTRUCT, UH, NO LONGER THOUGH HAVING THE USE VARIANCE RELATED TO THE WORLD PRE-K.
AND I BELIEVE THERE WAS ONE OTHER CHANGE RELATED TO THE TREES THAT ARE GONNA BE PLANTED.
UH, THERE WAS AN ALLEGED VIOLATION FROM PINE LANDS RELATED TO SOME TREES THAT WERE TAKEN DOWN.
THEY SAID, HEY, YOU NEED TO PLANT THEM.
THAT IS GOING TO DECREASE THE PARKING A LITTLE BIT.
BUT WE STILL EXCEED, I BELIEVE, THE PARKING REQUIREMENT ON SITE.
UH, AND OUR ENGINEER'S GOING TO TESTIFY TO THAT.
THAT'S, THAT'S REALLY WHY WE'RE HEARING THAT.
SO WITHOUT FURTHER ADO, I'LL BRING UP OUR ENGINEER.
MR. JOSEPH MICHAELS, UH, I'VE BEEN TESTIFY SWORN IN AND HE CAN CONFIRM THAT WHEN I SAID IT ACCURATE.
UH, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH? SO AGAIN, YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR FULL NAME, SPELL YOUR LAST.
UM, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN NEW JERSEY.
I CAN COUNT HOW MANY TIMES, UM, SINCE UM, SO WHAT, UH, PETER STATED IS, IS PRIMARILY CORRECT.
I WANNA MAKE SURE THAT ONE THING IS NOTED.
THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL WAS FOR THE PRE-K USE IN TWO SEPARATE BUILDINGS.
ONE IS WAS THE ROW TWO BUILDING THAT YOU MENTIONED THAT, UM, NOT YET CONSTRUCTED.
THERE IS ALSO AN EXISTING BUILDING, THE NUMBER ONE BUILDING, UM, WHICH CURRENTLY EXISTS.
SO THE, UM, THIS PLAN HERE IS THE JOE, VERY QUICKLY JUST MAKE SURE YOU STATE THE RECORD.
WHAT WE'RE REFERENCING THERE THAT THE PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED IS FAR THE APPLICATION.
UM, IS THE OVERALL SITE PLAN FROM THE PLAN, FROM THE PLAN SET THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UM, IN THIS AREA HERE IS THE ROWER ONE BUILDING WHICH EXISTS, UM, WHICH HAS AN ENTRANCE OFF MCKINNA AND ROAD, THE ROWER TWO BUILDING, WHICH WE ARE RESCINDING THE PRE-K USE AND REVERTING BACK TO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL, WHICH WAS FROM RESOLUTION 18 DASH 2019, UM, IS HERE IN THE, THE CENTER OF THE PROPERTY.
THAT'LL PLAN TO GO BACK TO A TEAM LEADERSHIP AND ARTS AND CRAFTS BUILDING, UM, TO SUPPLEMENT THE, THE CAMP USE.
UM, THE USE FOR THE ROWER ONE BUILDING IS THE SAME.
UM, WE GAVE USE VARIANCE TESTIMONY AT THE OCTOBER MEETING, WHICH WAS ALL ACCEPTED.
UM, WE ALSO DID HAVE A NUMBER OF SUBMISSION WAIVERS, WHICH ARE ALL STILL THE SAME.
UM, IT WAS ALL IN THE JUSTIFICATION WAS ALL IN THE APPLICATION THAT FOR THIS, UM, WHICH WAS IDENTICAL TO THE SUBMISSION WAIVERS IN THE PREVIOUS APPLICATION THAT WE'RE AMENDING.
WE CAN REFER BACK TO THAT OR IF NECESSARY I CAN LIST THEM.
UM, WE DON'T, DOESN'T TO LIST ALL GRANTED IT'S UP TO THE BOARD.
THEY WERE ALL GRANTED BEFORE AS WELL.
UM, SO THE ONLY SITE CHANGE IS, AND THIS IS THE ROWER ONE SITE PLAN, WHICH IS IDENTICAL TO WHAT WAS SUBMITTED, IS THAT IN 2017 OR 16, THIS AREA HERE WAS CLEARED AND SO WAS AN AREA HERE WITH SOME TREES THAT WERE CLEARED.
A VIOLATION WAS GRANT WAS ISSUED BY THE PINELANDS COMMISSION AT THE TIME.
WE THEN RE-VEGETATED THIS AREA.
UM, THEY CAME AT US WITH A SECOND VIOLATION FOR THE SAME CLEARING AND ARE NOW ASKING US TO REVEGETATE THIS AREA IN THE MIDDLE OF THE, UM, EXISTING PARKING LOT.
UH, THERE WILL STILL BE ABOUT 13, UM, UNS STRIPPED SPACES AND THEN ONE A DA SPACE CIRCULATION FOR PICKUP AND DROP OFF WOULD BE IDENTICAL TO WHAT, UM, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
THERE WOULD JUST BE A REDUCTION IN PARKING PER THE ORDINANCE.
THERE ISN'T ANYTHING FOR THIS ZONE FOR A PRE-K USE, BUT UTILIZING THE ELEMENTARY SCHOOL PARKING
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USE, WE WOULD HAVE, UM, THE NEED FOR THREE PARKING SPACES.THAT'S STILL TWO CLASSROOMS IN THE BUILDING.
EXACTLY THE SAME USE, NO CHANGES TO THE BUILDING OR, OR ANYTHING, UM, FROM WHAT WAS APPROVED BACK IN OCTOBER.
UM, AND THEN THE PRIOR, THE BROER II BUILDING AGAIN GOES BACK TO THE ARTS AND CRAFT TEAM LEADERSHIP USE THAT, UH, WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED BACK IN 2019.
SO JUST TO BE CLEAR SAKE FOR RECORD ROWER, ONE WILL HAVE CREATED USE FOR TWO IS THE MORE ONE, RIGHT? CORRECT.
YOU SAID THERE'S 14 TOTAL SPACES, ONE BEING 88, 13 BEING NORMAL PARKING STALL.
AND WHAT WAS IT PREVIOUSLY? WHAT THIS BUILDING? THE LOWER ONE OR WHAT DID WE APPROVE THERE? WE DIDN'T ACTUALLY, IT'S A BIG OPEN AREA.
WE QUANTIFY A NUMBER OF APARTMENT SPACES.
AND YOU WERE EXCEEDED THAT? YES, AND WE VERY RIGHT.
I I CAN'T QUITE HEAR ALL THAT.
THE REQUIRED PARKING SPACES WITH THREE, HE'S GOT ABOUT 13.
MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU ANY COMMENTS? I REALLY DON'T, WE DIDN'T ISSUE, THIS IS REALLY A REDUCTION IN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY PROPOSED BY THE BOARD.
THE ONLY SUGGESTION I WOULD HAVE IS THAT THE BOARD MAY WANNA CONSIDER A CONDITION THAT IF ANY POINT IN THE FUTURE THE TOWNSHIP DETERMINES THAT THERE'S AN ADEQUATE PARKING OUT THERE IF THE A WILL MITIGATE PARTY THAT WOULD ALLOW THEM TO MOVE FORWARD NOW.
AND AT ANY POINT WE HAVE DOWN THE ROAD, WE CAN COME UP WITH A SOLUTION THAT FAR.
THAT WOULD, THAT WOULD BE FINE.
THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER PARKING AREAS ALONG THE PROPERTIES BETWEEN THE NEXT PINE TREE AND THE NEXT PINE TREE.
BUT I MEAN THERE, THERE'S PLENTY OF OTHER CLEAR PARKING AREAS ON PROPERTY THAT WE CAN UTILIZE.
SHOULD THERE BE SOME REASON FOR THAT? OKAY.
HAS THE, UM, AS A RESULT OF THE VIOLATIONS THAT YOU RECEIVED FROM THE PINE LINES COMMISSION, HAS THE AREA THAT THEY WERE CONCERNED WITH BEEN RE-VEG? UH, RE-VEGETATED? NOT, NOT YET.
IT'S, UH, NOT REQUIRED TO BE RE-VEGETATED OR WE'RE STILL WITHIN, WE HAVE UNTIL DECEMBER.
WELL THE LONG AND SHORT OF IT IS WE'RE CURRENTLY WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME AND WE CERTAINLY INTEND TO APPLY ANY COMMENTS? NO.
UM, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT.
ANYONE HERE THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION? SEEING NONE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING, DID YOU HAVE ANY OTHER, ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU NEED TO SAY? I MEAN, I CAN ALWAYS MAKING THOSE STATEMENTS
JUST WANTED TO GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY
UH, I, A MOTION, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO WITH THE CARRY THE PARKING.
JUST SO I'M CLEAR, IT'S APPROVED WITH THE CONDITION THAT IF A PARKING, UH, BECOMES AN ISSUE, THEY'LL COORDINATE WITH THE TOWN, CORRECT? RIGHT.
SO NO NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION.