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[ Call to Order]
CALL THE ORDER OF THE MEETING.START THE FLAG SALUTE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO THE FLAG IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC WHICH STANDS, ONE NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
UH, WE'RE CALLING TO ORDER A MEETING WEDNESDAY, JULY 23RD.
UM, NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPENING PUBLIC MEETING ACT, POSTING A COPY OF THE AGENDA ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, FILING A COPY OF THE AGENDA IN THE OFFICE OF THE TOWNSHIP CLERK AND AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING FORWARD A COPY OF THE AGENDA TO THE CENTRAL RECORD IN THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES FOR WRITTEN NOTICE TO EACH PERSON WHO HAS REQUESTED COPIES OF THE REGULAR MEETINGS SCHEDULE.
UM, AS ALWAYS, I REMIND EVERYONE THE MEETING IS BEING STREAMED LIVE, AND SO BOTH OUR STATEMENTS AND ACTIONS ARE BEING RECORDED.
UM, RECORDING SECRETARY WILL CALL THE ROLL.
MR. ANNA, VICE CHAIRMAN PERS HERE.
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EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MINUTES UP, DOWN? HOLD ON, HOLD ON.ALSO, IS THERE ANY COMMENTS? OKAY, SO I MAKE A MOTION COMPLAINT.
DO I NEED A MOTION OR DO YOU, DO I ALWAYS GET THAT CONFUSED? YOU WOULD CALL FOR I DO.
YOU DO ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[7. Reports: Insufficient escrow balances over 6 months]
ESCROWS.WE JUST USE LEE, RIGHT? WE JUST TALK ABOUT THEM.
WE'VE TALKED ABOUT IN OUR LAST MEETING, UM, WE, WE POSE WHO'S INSUFFICIENT ON THE ESCROW BALANCE.
'CAUSE IT'S MONEY THAT'S OWED TO PROFESSIONALS.
UM, I MEAN, WE HAVEN'T, WE HAVEN'T LOOKING INTO TO THAT.
WE WERE GONNA ASK YOU ABOUT THAT MAYBE IN A MEETING OR OFFLINE ABOUT LIKE COLLECTING, IF THERE IS BALANCES IN THERE THAT DON'T BE QUICK, COULD SOME OF THE MONEY GET RELEASED? THAT WAS JUST A QUESTION WE THOUGHT ABOUT.
UM, THERE'S NO RESOLUTION, SO, RIGHT.
[9.a. Tait Co., 45 S. Main Street, 1901/4, HVR-422 – seeking a Certificate of Appropriateness for a new roof on a commercial building in the Historic District.]
SO WE'RE ONTO THE FIRST APPLICATION.TATE COMPANY 45 SOUTH MAIN STREET SEEKING A CERTIFICATE OF PREPAREDNESS FOR A NEW ROOF ON A COMMERCIAL BUILDING IN HISTORIC DISTRICT.
YOU WANT ME TO COME UP? YEP, PLEASE, SIR.
ASK, WILL YOU, UH, STATE YOUR NAME AND SURE.
IF YOU CAN IDENTIFY YOURSELF AND IF YOU'RE GONNA OFFER TESTIMONY, YOU'LL NEED TO BE WO MY NAME IS LAWYER TATE.
MR. TATE, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH AND, BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
OUR APPLICATION IS TO PUT A ROOF ON A, UH, COMMERCIAL BUILDING ON 45, AND THERE'S A SLATE ROOF ON THERE NOW THAT LEAKS AND NEEDS TO GO.
AND WE WANTED TO PUT A, UH, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLE ON THERE, WHICH IS ACTUALLY SIMILAR TO EVERY HOUSE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD THERE FOR EVERY BUILDING.
HAVE INTEREST IF YOU WANNA, OKAY, MR. CHAIRMAN, IF YOU WANT I, I COULD GIVE A LITTLE BACKGROUND, UH, ON THIS.
SO OUR ORDINANCE, UH, AS CERTIFIED BY THE PINELANDS COMMISSION, HAD TO HAVE A REQUIREMENT, UH, FOR PRESERVATION OF HISTORIC STRUCTURES AND SITES WITHIN THE DESIGNATED HISTORIC DISTRICT, WHICH OUR HBC ZONE IS.
SO THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES APPLICATIONS FOR REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT, UH, THAT ARE VISIBLE FROM THE OUTSIDE TO COME BEFORE THE BOARD FOR
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APPROVALS.THIS IS ONE OF THE MORE SIMPLE APPLICATIONS.
UH, WE'LL ASK FOR SOME SIMPLE TESTIMONY ABOUT CONSISTENCY WITH THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND WE HAVE A LITTLE BIT FROM MR. TATE SO FAR.
UM, THIS IS REALLY TO ENSURE NOT THAT EVERYTHING IS 100% HISTORICALLY ACCURATE FOR A HOME THAT IS 120 TO 140 OR MORE YEARS OLD, BUT THAT IT IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT AND PRESERVES THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
THERE'S SOME STOCK INFORMATION FROM OUR ORDINANCE THAT IS IN THERE BY WAY OF BACKGROUND FOR THE PUBLIC AND FOR SOME OF THE NEWER BOARD MEMBERS.
UM, MAINLY TO MAKE SURE THAT WE DON'T HAVE A PINK PLASTIC ROOF IN THE DOWNTOWN OR SOMETHING MORE SO THERE ARE TEETH IN THE ORDINANCE TO ALLOW, UH, THE BOARD AND THE TOWNSHIP TO MAKE SURE THAT THE CHARACTER OF THE HISTORIC DOWNTOWN, UH, IS PRESERVED.
SO THE QUESTION QUESTION I WOULD ASK.
YEAH, I SAW YOUR LETTER WAS QUITE LENGTHY AND I FIGURED YOU WERE GONNA EXPLAIN.
AND A LOT OF THAT IS COPY AND PASTE FROM THE ORDINANCE AND FROM SOME OTHER, UM, MORE INTENSE APPLICATIONS THAT WERE MORE INTENSE THAN JUST A ROOF REPLACEMENT.
UM, BUT IT'S IMPORTANT FOR THAT TO BE IN THERE, UH, FOR THE RECORD AND FOR THE, FOR THE TOWN TO HAVE THAT AND FOR THE BOARD TO HAVE THAT, UH, WITH ANY OF ITS DECISIONS ON CHAPTER 8 0 6 APPLICATIONS.
UH, MR. TERRELL TO, TO JUMP RIGHT TO THE END, YOU SAY THAT, UM, THE PROPOSED SHINGLE COLORS SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
I DIDN'T SEE THAT IN THE APPLICATION, RIGHT? SO DO, DO WE HAVE THAT PROPOSED? SO WE'LL ASK MR. I ACTUALLY, WE HAPPEN TO HAVE, AND I'M NOT SURE IF YOU DROPPED THIS OFF OR THIS WAS THE ONE WE HAD IN OUR OFFICE.
I THINK THAT'S THE ONE I'LL DROP OFF.
UM, SO HAVE YOU SELECTED ONE OF THE COLORS? I'M NOT SURE THAT THE CUSTOMER REALLY IS THAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE COLOR.
IF THERE'S A COLOR THAT THE TOWNSHIP PREFERS TO HAVE, I THINK WE'RE PROBABLY GOOD WITH IT.
MR. TAYLOR, IS THERE A
THIS COULD GET ENTERED, I GUESS, AS AN EXHIBIT AND GIVE THEM, I, I, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW THAT COULD WORK THAT WAY WE, IF WE, WE DON'T HAVE TO NAIL IT DOWN WITH ONE, BUT THAT WAY IF ONE HAPPENS TO WORK BETTER THAN ANOTHER WITH THE PAINT COLOR, I THINK THERE ARE A FEW IN HERE THAT WOULD BE COMPATIBLE.
DO YOU WANT ME TO MARK THIS, TONY? THEN WE CAN TAKE A PICTURE OF IT OR SOMETHING THAT, THAT DOCUMENT ITSELF.
WE HAVE ONE HERE AS WELL ON THE DATES.
OH, YOU DO? OH, EVEN BETTER STILL MARK IT.
MR. TAYLOR, IS THERE ONE YOU WERE REC RECOMMENDING? A SPECIFIC ONE? UM, SO THERE IS ONE CALLED SLATE.
I ALSO THINK OYSTER GRAY, PEWTER GRAY OR WILLIAMSBURG SLATE WOULD ALSO PROBABLY, AND THE CUT, CUT YOUR CUSTOMERS IN.
I, I THINK THAT THE WHOLE THING IS THEY NEED TO GET A ROOF REPORT.
WE'VE BEEN, WHILE I, I THINK SOMETHING IN THE GRAY AREA, UH, WILL BE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT'S THERE NOW, MR. TAYLOR, IS THAT WHAT YOU, DO YOU WANT TO GIVE THEM THOSE OP IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA SAY TO ANY, ANY ONE OF THOSE OPTIONS IS FINE.
THAT WOULD BE MY, UNLESS THE BOARD FEELS OTHERWISE THAT WAY, IF FOR SOME REASON MR. TATE OR SOMEONE, THEY HOLD IT UP NEXT TO THE PAINT AND THEY FEEL THAT ONE WORKS A LITTLE BIT BETTER THAN THE OTHER, BUT I THINK GENERALLY ANY OF THOSE FOUR WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE.
I I MEAN, I'M, I'M FINE WITH THAT.
I, I THINK THAT'S A GOOD WAY TO PUT, YEAH.
AND YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS MINOR CHANGE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER OF THE STRUCTURE IN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT? WELL, HERE'S THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
I SEE THE PHOTOGRAPH, BUT WE NEED YOU TO SAY IT FOR THE RECORD OUT LOUD.
IF WE'RE LOOKING THROUGH AND IT'S THE STYLE AND THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT COLORS, THAT KIND OF THING.
THOSE PICTURES, ARE THEY WITH THE APPLICATION OR IS IT NEW FOR TONIGHT? DO THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THIS? I KNOW WE HAVE COLOR.
IS IT THE SAME OF THE HOUSE AND THE YEAH.
THAT WE HAVE, AND THIS ONE MAY HAVE SOME EXTRAS, BUT REALLY THE, I, I HAVE ALL THE FRONT ONE IS ACROSS THE STREET NEXT DOOR, AND VIRTUALLY EVERYONE HAS THAT SAME, THE COLLECTION, THE GROUP A TWO.
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TWO.SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN ADD THAT AS IS FOUR PAGES WITH A TOTAL OF SEVEN PHOTOGRAPHS ILLUSTRATING ASPHALT SHINGLE ROOFS THAT ARE IN A MEDIUM GRAYISH TONE.
SO BASED ON THAT, AND BASED ON THE LIMITED SCOPE AND THE CONSISTENCY AND THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED, WE DON'T HAVE ANY CONCERNS THAT IT'S INCONSISTENT WITH THE, UM, WITH THE ORDINANCE.
AND NOW I OPEN UP THE, IF THERE'S ANY PUBLIC.
DOES ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS ON THE APPLICATION? SEEING THERE IS ANY, UNLESS I CLOSE THE COMMENTS ON THE PUBLIC.
AND SO DO WE HAVE AN MOTION? I MAKE A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE IT GIVEN THE FOUR CHOICES THAT MR. TAYLOR IS IDENTIFI.
WE'LL GET A COPY OF THAT NEXT MONTH.
NEXT MONTH YOU'LL GET A WRITTEN, WE'LL DO A WRITTEN CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS.
[9.b. Public Service Electric & Gas Co., (PSE&G), 320 Route 70, 808/6.04, SPR-5776 – seeking Preliminary and Final Site Plan, Conditional Use approval with Submission Waivers and Design Waivers for the expansion of the existing station.]
OUR NEXT APPLICATION, P, S, C, AND J, YOU GUYS ARE A REALLY SUPPORTIVE GROUP.MA'AM, DO YOU NEED A PODIUM BY CHANCE? WE HAVE A PODIUM OVER THERE IF YOU NEED IT.
A PODIUM WOULD PROBABLY BE GREAT BECAUSE WE DO HAVE FOUR TESTIFYING.
JUST MAKE SURE THAT NICK IS AS CLOSE TO YOU AS YOU CAN BE.
MR. TAYLOR, CAN, CAN YOU HELP HER MOVE IT JUST AROUND THE SIDE? SO SHE, CHRIS, WHAT YOU, WHERE, WHERE AT WHERE SAYS
SO THE NEXT APPLICATION, IT'S P, S, E, AND G, PUBLIC SERVICE, ELECTRIC AND GAS SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN, CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL WITH SUBMISSION WAIVERS, DESIGN WAIVERS FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING STATION.
FOR THE RECORD, I'M JENNIFER PORTER, I'M AN ATTORNEY WITH CSG LAW.
I'M OUTSIDE LAND USE COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT, P, S, E AND G.
WILL THERE BE ANY OTHER, DO DO YOU WANT TO, SO AT THIS POINT I HAVE A BRIEF INTRODUCTION ONCE DO THAT BASICALLY TO DESCRIBE THE PROJECT AND THEN IDENTIFY WITNESSES, SWEAR, IDENTIFY, AND WE CAN SWEAR THEM ALL.
P-S-E-N-G IS HERE THIS EVENING SEEKING PRELIMINARY AND FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL AS WELL AS BULK VARIANCES AND RELIEF FROM CERTAIN PRIOR, UM, CONDITIONS IN CONNECTION WITH APPROVALS THAT WERE GRANTED FOR THE ORIGINAL SUBSTATION, WHICH EXISTS AT THIS PROPERTY BACK IN 1995.
WE ARE HERE TONIGHT IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROPOSED EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.
IT'S LOCATED AT THREE 20, ROUTE 70 AND DESIGNATED AS BLOCK 8 0 8, LOT 6.04 IN THE TAX MAPS OF THE TOWNSHIP.
NOTICE WAS PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, UM, BY WAY OF PUBLICATION IN THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES.
AND WRITTEN NOTICE TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET OF THE SITE WAS PROVIDED.
UM, WE DID, UM, REQUEST THAT AT THE LAST MEETING, WHICH WE WERE WR ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED AT, THAT THE APPLICATION BE CARRIED.
AND WE UNDERSTAND THAT, THAT THAT WAS, UM, GRANTED.
SO WE WERE CARRIED TO THIS EVENING.
UM, AS YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR FROM OUR WITNESSES THIS EVENING, THIS PROJECT INVOLVES DEMOLITION OF A PORTION OF THE EXISTING 69 KV YARD, AN EXPANSION OF THE STATION TO THE NORTHEAST OF THE EXISTING EQUIPMENT.
THIS IS TO ALLOW FOR THE INSTALLATION, AND YOU'LL HEAR A LOT ABOUT THIS THIS EVENING OF A NEW 69 KV RING BUS WITH NEW STATE-OF-THE-ART ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT
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OF APPROPRIATE VOLTAGE CLASS AND INSTALLATION OF A NEW 28 BY 54 PREFABRICATED CONTROL HOUSE BUILDING WITH A SINGLE BATHROOM.AND ASSOCIATED SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH YOU'LL HEAR ABOUT IN ESCAPING LIGHTING, ET CETERA, TO SUPPORT THE PROJECT ODDS WILL BE DISCUSSED BY PSGS PROJECT ENGINEER.
AND THIS IS A VERY IMPORTANT ASPECT OF OUR PROJECT.
UM, THIS PROJECT IS NECESSARY TO ADDRESS A FEDERAL ENERGY REGULATORY COMMISSION, COMMONLY KNOWN AS FERC, UM, VAULTED ISSUE.
UM, AT THIS SITE, PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE UNCONDITIONALLY PERMITTED USE WITHIN THE HM ZONE IN WHICH WE'RE LOCATED AND THE APPLICANT COMPLIES WITH ALL OF THE CONDITIONS AND PART OF OUR PLANNING TESTIMONY WILL WALK THE BOARD THROUGH EACH OF THE CONDITIONS AND HOW WE DO COMPLY.
UM, WE'RE HERE TONIGHT, AS I INDICATED, SEEKING WALL VARIANCES AND DESIGN EXCEPTION RELIEF.
UM, SPECIFICALLY THE, THE CATEGORIES OF RELIEF ARE WITH RESPECT TO THE NUMBER AND DURATION OF TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS.
UM, SOME OF THE ASPECTS OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT REQUIREMENTS FOR THE CONTROL HOUSE, UH, THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SEPTIC SYSTEM FOR THE CONTROL HOUSE BECAUSE THERE'S A, A RESTRICTION, UM, BECAUSE THE SITE IS NOT LOCATED IN A WATER OR SEWER SERVICE AREA.
AND FROM, UM, PARKING AND LOADING REQUIREMENTS AND TRASH PICKUP AS IT RELATES SPECIFICALLY TO OUR, OUR OWN OPERATIONAL REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHICH DO NOT NECESSITATE THOSE THINGS FOR THIS PROJECT.
FINALLY, UM, ONE OF THE LEGAL ASPECTS TO THIS APPLICATION THAT I ALLUDED TO IS THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING APPROVAL FOR THE POTENTIAL REMOVAL OR MODIFICATIONS OF RESTRICTIONS THAT WERE SET FORTH IN TWO PRIOR RESOLUTIONS, WHICH ARE GRANTED THE RESOLUTIONS 10 OF 1995 AND 16 OF 1995, WHICH WERE ADOPTED 30 YEARS AGO WHEN THE STATION WAS FIRST CONSTRUCTED REGARDING FURTHER EXPANSION OF THE SUBSTATION AREA.
AND THEY INCLUDE SPECIFICALLY CONDITIONS, THREE OF THE MINOR SUBDIVISION OF PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL AND CONDITION.
THREE OF THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL INDICATING THAT THE APPLICANT WOULD PROVIDE A NOTE REGARDING FURTHER EXPANSION.
AND WE'LL GET INTO THE FURTHER DETAIL WITH RESPECT TO THOSE, UM, SPECIFIC RESTRICTIONS AS IT RELATES TO THE, THE SPECIFIC NEEDS FOR THIS PROJECT AND WHAT'S DRIVING IT.
PSEG INTENDS TO CALL FOUR WITNESSES TONIGHT.
UM, JOSEPH RAF, WHO IS PSE G'S PROJECT MANAGER, WHO WILL PROVIDE THE BOARD WITH AN OVERVIEW OF THE SCOPE OF THE PROJECT AND FAMILIARIZE THE BOARD WITH THE SITE, FOLLOWED BY NICK GASPAR.
HE IS FROM HAM VEATCH IN OUR CIVIL ENGINEER OF RECORD, WHO WILL WALK THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY THROUGH THE ASPECTS OF THE SITE DESIGN THAT WE WILL HAVE LISA DEZA OF E 2:00 PM OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, WHO WILL SPECIFICALLY SPEAK TO THE LANDSCAPING IN CONNECTION WITH THE PROJECT AND THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND LASTLY, YOU'LL HEAR FROM KATHY HERRING, UM, WHO IS ALSO OUR A PE AS WELL AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER AND THE PERMITTING MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT FOR P-S-E-N-G, WHO WILL SPEAK TO THE PROOFS IN CONNECTION WITH THE RELIEF THAT'S BEING SOUGHT FROM THIS BOARD.
UM, WE DO ALSO, AS YOU CAN SEE, HAVE A NUMBER OF OTHER INDIVIDUALS WHO ARE HERE TO THE EXTENT THAT THE BOARD HAS ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS ON OTHER AREAS, UM, TO HELP FACILITATE ANY, YOU KNOW, POTENTIAL RESPONSES THAT ARE NEEDED.
WE DID RECEIVE COMMENT LETTERS, UM, FROM TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP, AS WELL AS CHRIS NOEL FROM ENVIRONMENTAL RESOURCE SOLUTIONS AND THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD, DEPARTMENT OF FIRE AND EMS. UM, WE INTEND TO ADDRESS THESE COMMENTS THROUGHOUT OUR TESTIMONY THIS EVENING IN TERMS OF OUR COMPLIANCE, UM, AND CAN ANSWER ANY ADDITIONAL QUESTIONS THAT MAY COME UP, UM, FROM THE BOARD ITS CONSULTANTS REGARDING THOSE COMMENTS OR, OR ANYTHING ELSE FOR THAT MATTER.
AND IF THE BOARD HAS NO QUESTIONS FOR ME, I'D LIKE TO BEGIN WITH OUR FIRST WITNESS QUESTIONS.
FAVOR TO ASK IF YOU COULD HAVE ALL YOUR WITNESSES OH, RIGHT.
SO LEAST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES THE SAME.
SO YOU ALL NEED TO WRITE, IF, IF YOU COULD COME UP AND IDENTIFY YOURSELF, PLEASE ALL IN AT THE SAME TIME SO THAT YOU DON'T HAVE DO EACH TIME.
SO IF YOU COULD EACH STATE YOUR NAME INTO THE MIC.
UH, JOE GRAY, PG PROJECT MANAGER, NICK ASPER, UH, CIVIL ENGINEER IN BLACK BEACH.
LISA DEZA, E 2:00 PM CIVIL ENGINEER.
YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH.
YOU'LL ALSO GIVE US QUALIFICATIONS FOR RIGHT.
UM, MR. BREATH WILL ACTUALLY BE TESTIFYING AS A FACT WITNESS, UM, SPECIFICALLY AS A PROJECT MANAGER FOR THE PROJECT.
SO WE'LL, WE'LL PROVIDE YOU WITH HIS BACKGROUND.
SO, MR. BROWN, IF YOU COULD BEGIN BY, UM, INDICATING YOUR PROFESSIONAL EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND.
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IN ENGINEERING PENN STATE UNIVERSITY.I WORKED FOR PS G FOR ROUGHLY 13 YEARS, ABOUT EIGHT, WHICH BEEN AS A PROJECT MANAGER.
UM, AND YOU PROJECT MANAGER? THAT'S CORRECT.
YOU INVOLVED IN THE DAYTO DAY ASPECT OF, OF RUNNING THIS PROJECT, THIS HEARING? YES.
UH, MY ROLE AS PROJECT MANAGER, I OVERSEE THE PROJECT, UM, INCEPTION ENGINEERING CONSTRUCTION STATION PROJECT, SPECIFICALLY THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.
WHILE WE'RE GETTING THE ERROR REVIEW SET UP, UM, JUST QUICK, ANY QUESTIONS COME UP? I'M GONNA GO EVERYTHING AT KIND OF A HIGH LEVEL.
WE HAVE A LOT OF PROFESSIONALS HERE.
IF THERE'S A QUESTION I'M NOT AVAILABLE TO ANSWER, WE CAN CALL THEM UP.
UM, BUT ANY QUESTIONS COME UP, JUST PLEASE FEEL FREE TO INTERRUPT ME.
WE'RE GONNA BE PUTTING UP THE AERIAL EXHIBIT AND YOU WOULD LIKE TO MARK THIS AS EXHIBIT A ONE AS PREPARED IN THIS.
THIS IS A NEW DOCUMENT OR IS THIS PART OF THE APPLICATION? IT'S A NEW DOCUMENT.
UM, SCOTT SAID PROJECT MANAGER FOR THIS PROJECT.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT HERE IS THE AERIAL VIEW FOR THE EXISTING MEDFORD 69 TO 13 KV SUBSTATION.
THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED BACK IN 1995.
IT PROVIDES POWER TO ROUGHLY 1300 CUSTOMERS, 8,200 OF WHICH ARE MEDFORD, UH, CUSTOMERS.
SO THIS PROJECT DIRECTLY DOES AFFECT, UM, PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN MEDFORD.
UM, AS YOU CAN SEE, UM, JUST TO KIND OF ORIENTATE ITSELF A LITTLE BIT DOWN HERE IS 70, UM, DOWN OFF THE WEST.
IS THAT WAWA? UM, JUST TO KIND OF FAMILIARIZE YOURSELF IN THE AREA, UH, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION IS WHAT WE REFER TO AS A 69 13 KV STRAIGHT BUS SUBSTATION.
UM, WHAT THAT PRETTY MUCH MEANS IS IT TAKES 69,000 VOLTS AT THE HIGH SIDE VOLTAGE AND STEPS IT DOWN TO 15,000 VOLTS.
15,000 VOLTS IS OUR TYPICAL DISTRIBUTION.
VOLTAGE, I'M SURE PROBABLY RIDES POWER TO EVERYBODY'S HOUSE HERE AS WHAT RUNS DOWN THE STREET.
UM, HIGH, HIGH SIDE VOLTAGE COMES IN, THOSE SIDE VOLTAGE COMES OUT.
UM, AND HE SPLITS OFF IN MULTIPLE DIFFERENT LINES.
UM, WHEN I SAY STRAIGHT BUS CONFIGURATION KIND, NOT HARD TO SEE HERE, BUT PRETTY MUCH WHAT THAT MEANS IS THAT THE BUS RUNS IN A A TO B STRAIGHT BUS.
UM, SO IT'S IN THE STRAIGHT LINE.
THERE'S NO TURNS, THERE'S NO BENDS.
UM, THEY TALK ABOUT THE GREEN BUS POINT, SOME OF THE DIFFERENCES THERE.
UM, SO AS LISA HAD MENTIONED FOR OUR FEDERAL OVERSIGHT COMMITTEE, THEY'RE ROUTINELY RUNNING SURVEYS ON OUR GRID TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE PROVIDING SERVICE WITH THE QUALITY THAT THEY EXPECT US TO, TO DO.
UM, DURING ONE OF THESE STUDIES, WHICH WAS THE 2022
UM, AND REAL SIMPLE VIEW THERE OF PER 7 1 5 VIOLATION IS WHEN THEY IDENTIFY A SCENARIO OF WHICH THE DISTRIBUTION VOLTAGE FROM ANY OF OUR SUBSTATIONS FALLS BELOW ACCEPTABLE LIMITS.
IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE, THEY IDENTIFY THAT THE LAWS OF 2 69 KV LINES, WE CANNOT PROVIDE RELIABLE POWER TO CITIZENS AND MEMBER.
EVERYBODY FELL OFF THE SUBSTATION.
UM, JUST TO KIND OF GIVE YOU A VISUAL, WHEN WE SAY 69 KV LINES, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH ROUTE 70, UM, WE HAVE THEM CURRENTLY ON THERE.
THEY'RE ON THE TALLER POLES, WOOD POLES, UM, THEY'RE TYPICALLY ABOUT 65 FEET TALL.
UM, AS THEY ARE ON WOOD POLES, THERE IS A CERTAIN LEVEL OF, I WOULD SAY, RISK ASSOCIATED WITH THOSE TRIPPING OUT.
THEY ARE RELIABLE, HAVE VEGETATION STRIKES WHEN WE PROVIDE TREES, WIRES IF, UM, TREATMENTS GO DOWN.
AND WE DO ALSO HAVE ISSUES WITH THEM WITH THE VEHICLE STRIKES AS WELL.
SO THE LOSS OF THESE LINES IS SOMETHING THAT UNFORTUNATELY DOES HAPPEN MORE THAN WE LIKE.
SO, UM, WHAT HAPPENS IS, IS FE NOTIFIED P OF CG THAT WE WERE IN FE SEVEN FIVE VIOLATION IN THIS CASE AND TOLD US WHAT THE SCENARIO WAS AND THEY MANDATED THAT PCG RESOLVE THIS VIOLATION BY THE END OF 2027.
AND THAT'S THE, JUST FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE RECORD, THIS PLAN IS NOT NEW.
IF, IF WE'VE JUST BLOWN IT UP FOR PURPOSES OF THE HEARING, IT WAS PART OF THE SAME PLAN APPLICATION, WE'RE HAPPY TO MARK IT AS A TWO OR WE CAN JUST REFER TO IT AS IT'S REFERENCED.
LET'S USE IT AS IT'S REFERENCED IN APPLICATION.
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FOR 7 1 5 VIOLATION, PSM G IS, UM, PROPOSING THE EXPANSION OF THE EXISTING VECTOR SUBSTATION.AS THEY MENTIONED, WE'RE GONNA BE INSTALLING A RING BUS.
AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, UM, THIS CURRENTLY THIS GRAY DOWN AREA IS WHERE STATION CURRENTLY EXISTS.
IT'S WHERE THE STATION FOOTPRINT IS, THE STONE AND EVERYTHING.
UM, THIS AREA HERE, THIS IS THE NEW RING BUS AND THIS IS THE PROPOSED EXPANSION.
UM, RING BUS, LIKE I SAID, STRAIGHT BUS A TO B, NO TERMS. UM, THE RING BUS IS JUST IN THE BIG RING.
THIS ALLOWS US TWO REALLY BIG BENEFITS HERE.
UM, ONE GIVES A REDUNDANCY WITH THE GREEN BUS IN ANY SINGLE POINT OF FAILURE WE CAN ELIMINATE.
SO IF THERE IS A EQUIPMENT FAULT, SAY HERE, UH, STILL FLOW IN THIS DIRECTION AND IN THIS DIRECTION.
UM, INITIALLY BUILT BUS AS A STANDARD.
UM, NOW WE HAVE TWO FACTOR IN N MINUS ONE MINUS ONE, UM, WHICH IS A PER STANDARD, UM, TO HANDLE ANY TYPE OF REDUNDANCY IN THE SYSTEM.
UM, MORE IMPORTANTLY, THIS RING BUS ALLOWS US TO BRING IN A NEW 69 KB TO THE STATION.
UM, 69 KV LINE IS REALLY THE HEART OF THE ISSUE WITH THE FIRST SEVEN FIVE VIOLATION.
WE'LL BE INSTALLING A NEW 69 KV LINE.
UM, IT'S GONNA BE COMING DOWN ROUTE 70 GOING DOWN.
HE, UH, WAWA OFF THE WEST TO A NEWLY CONSTRUCTED SWITCHING STATION THAT PCG IS GONNA BE DOING AS PART OF THIS PROJECT TO INCREASE CAPACITY FOR, UM, FOR MED MEDFORD SUBSTATION.
UM, ALONG WITH THESE EXPANSIONS, UH, WE'LL BE INSTALLING THE WHOLE BUILDING, WHICH IS HERE.
UM, CONTROL BUILDING, HIGH LEVEL VIEW IS JUST A BRAINS OF SUBSTATION.
UM, TAKES READINGS OF EVERYTHING THAT'S GOING ON IN THE SUBSTATION AND THEN TELLS THE BREAKERS WHEN THE TRIP, UM, IT, IT, IT DOES WHAT IT SAYS IT DOES.
UM, WE WILL BE PUTTING A NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM UP IN THIS AREA HERE, AND THAT IS FOR THE BATHROOM THAT IS GONNA BE LOCATED IN THE WHOLE BUILDING.
AND OVER HERE WE HAVE A, UM, A NEW, UH, RETENTION BASIN THAT BE, UM, STARTED INSTALLING THIS PART OF OUR STORMWATER.
NOW ALONG WITH THE INSTALLATION OF THIS BUS, WE ARE GOING TO BE INSTALLING NEW YARD LIGHTING AS WELL.
YARD LIGHTING FOR OUR SUBSTATION CONSISTS OF BOTH UPWARD AND DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTS.
OUR UPWARD LIGHTS ARE WHAT WE REFER TO AS GAS LIGHTING, SO THEY'RE ONLY TURNED ON IN THE EVENT THAT WE HAVE PERSONNEL DOING SWITCHING OPERATIONS OR DOING NIGHTTIME MAINTENANCE, WHICH IS TYPICALLY UNDER EMERGENCY SCENARIO AT NIGHT, UM, IN WHICH WE NEED TO ACTUALLY PHYSICALLY SEE THE CONDITIONS OF THE SWITCHES.
UM, LIKE I SAID, THERE'S OUR CAST LIGHTING WHEN WE'RE USING THEM, WE TURN THEM ONTO A SWITCH.
SO IN THE EVENT THAT PG IS DOING WORK AT NIGHT AND WE LEAVE THE STATION, UM, IT DOES TIME OFF AND THEY TURN OFF ON US.
UM, SO IT'S NOT ON UNTIL THE NEXT PERSON CALM DOWN.
THE DOWNWARD FACING LIGHTING, UM, IS SITUATED AROUND THE SUBSTATION.
UM, AND THAT IS ON MOTION DETECTORS.
SO WHEN IT, WHEN SOMEBODY ENTERS THE SITE, MOTION'S ACTIVATED IN THE SITE, ALL THE LIGHTS DO GO TO A HUNDRED PERCENT OF THEIR BRIGHTNESS.
UM, WHEN NO MOTION IS ACTIVATED.
SO WHEN WE LEAVE THE SITE, IT DOESN'T GO DOWN TO ZERO, THE LIGHTS DON'T TURN OFF, THEY TYPICALLY GO DOWN TO 20%.
THE REASON WHY WE GO DOWN TO 20% IS REALLY FOR SAFETY AND SECURITY REASONS.
UM, SAFETY REASONS ARE WHEN WE HAVE SOMEBODY ENTERING THE SITE AT NIGHT.
AND TYPICALLY IF THEY'RE GOING ONTO TO THE SITE AT NIGHT, IT'S UNDER FAULT SCENARIOS.
IT GIVES US THE ADVANTAGE TO LOOK INTO THE STATE STATION POTENTIAL HAZARDS, ANY ADVERSE CONDITIONS, UM, GIVES US A CERTAIN FEDERAL SAFETY BEFORE WE DO SUBSTATION.
UM, INCLUDED IN THIS, UH, PROPOSAL, WE WILL BE UPGRADING THE STATION FENCING.
UM, STATION FENCES GONNA BE UPDATED TO A REVISED SECURITY STANDARD THAT PCG NOW USES.
IT'S IN HAND AND CLIENT FENCE.
THAT FENCING WILL ONLY BE AROUND THE PERIMETER OF THE STATION.
WE DO HAVE, UM, EIGHT FOOT CHAINLINK FENCE THAT IS GOING AROUND THE, THE, UM, TENSION BASIN HERE.
UM, JUST TAKING A QUICK LOOK, UH, WHEN YOU LOOK AT THIS, YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT WE DON'T HAVE ANY PARKING IDENTIFIED, UM, ON, ON THE SITE PLAN.
TRAFFIC IN AND OUT SUBSTATIONS VERY, VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS NOW.
VEHICLE TYPICALLY IS MAINTENANCE AND OPERATION PERSONNEL, CHECKING OUT THE EQUIPMENT, MAKING SURE EVERYTHING IS GOOD.
IF YOU LOOK AT THE SITE PLAN, YOU'LL NOTICE THAT WE HAVE A LOCK OF DRIVEWAYS IDENTIFIED, UM, AROUND THE SUBSTATION.
THERE'S PARKING FOR US ON THOSE DRIVEWAYS, ON THE STONES IN AREA AROUND THE SUBSTATION FOR BOTH OUR
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TYPICAL ACTIVITIES.AND IN THE EVENT THAT WE DO NEED TO REPLACE EQUIPMENT, WHEN WE DO HAVE SOME MORE SUBSTANTIAL WORK GOING ON, WE CAN EVEN UTILIZE THAT AREA AS WELL.
ALL TRUST THAT WE BRING IN, WE'LL TAKE OUT WITH US, YOU KNOW, AT THE END OF DAY.
SO WE DON'T REQUIRE ANY TYPE OF, UM, SO I KIND OF TOUCHED BASE EVERYTHING REGARDING THE NEW SUBSTATION I DON WANNA FROM BEFORE WE ABOUT CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES.
UM, AS I SAID BEFORE, WE WERE MANDATED, WE'RE SHOOTING TO HAVE THE STATION IN SERVICE BY THE END OF 27.
WE WERE TARGETING CONSTRUCTION STARTING AT THE BEGINNING OF 26.
SO THAT IS A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION WINDOW, WHICH IS KIND OF A BIG WINDOW.
BUT WHEN WE BUILD CONSTRUCTION AND CONSTRUCTION IS KIND OF A COMPLICATED THING.
SO WE, IT STAGES, UM, THE FIRST STATION CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA BE CIVIL CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE ARE TRYING TO HAVE A LARGE EQUIPMENT ON SITE.
WE'RE GONNA HAVE DUMP TRUCKS COME IN AND OUT MOVING, SO WE'LL BRING IT IN.
SO THAT CIVIL CONSTRUCTION TYPICALLY LASTS ABOUT SIX MONTHS AND THAT'S PROBABLY OUR, UM, OUR MOST BUSY TIME WITH THE SITE.
THEN WE GO INTO WHAT WE CALL LEGIBLE ABOVE RECONSTRUCTION, UM, FOR ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER THAT.
THAT'S THE WRECKING OF ALL THE EQUIPMENT, INSTALLING STEEL BUS WORK, UM, INSTALLING THE CONTROL HOUSE, EVERYTHING ELSE WITH THE STATION.
UM, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES DURING THAT PERIOD OF TIME, UM, ARE GOING TO BE A LITTLE BIT QUIETER.
THERE GONNA BE CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME WHERE THERE'S GONNA BE MORE CONSTRUCTION GOING ON.
UM, AND THEN CERTAIN PERIODS OF TIME WHERE FRANKLY IF YOU WERE SITTING AT THE PROPERTY LINE, YOU PROBABLY WOULD NOT BE AWARE THAT THERE CONSTRUCTION PROJECT GOING ON THE LAST STAGE OF CONSTRUCTION, WHICH MONTHS TO A YEAR THAT, UM, DURING THAT POINT OF CONSTRUCTION, CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES ARE WIDE.
UM, WE'LL HAVE INCREASED PERSONNEL ON SITE.
WE'LL HAVE SOME INCREASED PERSONAL TRAFFIC COMING AND GOING, BUT THAT IS ONE PS G WE'RE DOING ALL OF OUR WIRING WORK, TESTING ALL OF OUR EQUIPMENT, COMMISSION EVERYTHING, MAKING SURE IT'S, IT'S READY TO ENTERPRISE, WHICH IS REALLY THE BULK OF CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES TIMELINE LINE THAT WE HAVE GOING ON.
UM, NOW AS FAR THIS APPLICATION, AND I UNDERSTAND THAT, UM, METRO ONLY ALLOWS THE USE OF ONE CONSTRUCTION THROUGHOUT OUR SITE, PSGS REQUESTING THE USE SUPPORT CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS.
UM, THE REASON FOR THAT, LIKE I I SAID CONSTRUCTIVE SUBSTATION IS ACTUALLY A VERY COMPLICATED THING.
UM, WE HAVE TWO CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS ON SITE, ONE FOR A OVERHEAD CONTRACTOR, ONE FOR A BLUE GRADE CONTRACTOR.
UM, WE TYPICALLY HAVE A, UM, ENGINEERING TRAILER ON SITE AS WELL DURING CONSTRUCTION OF OUR SUBSTATIONS.
WE HAVE AN ENGINEER ON SITE ON MULTIPLE TIME.
THE DRAWING IS NOT ONLY MAKING SURE THAT WHAT WE'RE INSTALLING IS CORRECT FOR MAKING SURE THAT WE'RE DOING SO IN A SAFE MANNER.
UM, WE ALSO DO HAVE ANOTHER TRAILER, WHICH IS FOR OUR CONSTRUCTION OVERSIGHT AND OUR SPECIALISTS, TYPICALLY WE HAVE AT LEAST ONE OVERHEAD, LEAST ONE BELOW GRADE SPECIALIST ON SITE AT ALL TIMES.
UM, SOMETIMES IT'S MORE THAT, SOMETIMES LESS THAN THAT.
UM, THEIR ROLE IS TO NOT ONLY MAKE SURE THAT WE PUT EVERYTHING SAFELY AND ON SCHEDULE, IT'S ALSO TO MAKE SURE THAT WE'RE ADING TO ALL OF OUR PERMITS.
WE'RE MAINTAINING ALL OF OUR WORK TO BASICALLY, IT'S ALL WAY OF MAKING SURE THAT THE CONTRACTORS ARE DOING WHAT PCMG EXPECTS OF.
UM, UH, UM, SO I DID TALK ABOUT, UH, CONSTRUCTION PERSONNEL, UM, WITH CONSTRUCTION PARKING ON SITE.
WE DON'T HAVE ANY, WE ANY SITE PARKING.
THAT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WE'LL DO.
UM, WE HAVE TALKED ABOUT ROOM WITHIN THE SUBSTATION THAT WE CAN PARK.
UM, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED THIS AREA IN HERE.
UM, THERE'S CURRENTLY EQUIPMENT THERE, UM, AS THAT WE THAT FOR OUR PARKING AREA, I WOULD ANTICIPATE AT A MAX, AND THIS IS WHEN WE HAVE ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES OVERHEAD ON THE GROUND GOING ON MAYBE 20 PEOPLE ON SITE AT ONE TIME.
TYPICALLY FOR ABOUT, UM, SO THIS PARKING AREA AS WELL AS THE SUBSTATION, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION DRIVE PANTS IS A SAMPLE PARKING.
AND WE DO ALSO HAVE THIS ACCESS WORK THAT WE CAN UTILIZE FOR OVERFLOW IF NECESSARY.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS ALL CONSTRUCTION, PARKING, UM, PERSONAL VEHICLES WILL BE ON EITHER THAT ASPHALT OUTSIDE OF THE STATION OR WITHIN THE STONEMAN OR ON THE STONE WITHIN THE STATION.
UM, SO WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE ANYBODY CONSTRUCTION.
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ANY QUESTIONS? THE QUESTIONS WE DO HAVE, THEY MIGHT BE ANSWERED BY ADDITIONAL PROFESSIONALS.UM, IF I MAY, WILL WE UNDERSTAND THE RELEVANCE OF THE OFFSHOOT TO THE RIGHT? YES.
IS THAT GONNA BE SOMEONE ELSE? SO, SO I MEAN CERTAINLY YOU CAN ADDRESS THAT GLOBALLY, BUT THERE WILL ALSO BE ADDITIONAL TESTIMONY BY OUR CIVIL ENGINEER, THE NEXT WITNESS.
SO, SO A HIGH LEVEL, THIS OFFSHOOT DOWN HERE THAT YOU'RE REFERRING TO, UM, I'M ACTUALLY GONNA ON THAT UBER BECAUSE THAT'S AROUND THE SIDE.
THAT'S, THAT'S JUST PART OF THE GREATER IMPROVEMENT TO THE SITE, CORRECT? YES.
ALL THE RED IS WE CAN WALK YOU THROUGH ALL THE EXISTING CONDITIONS, KIND OF WHAT THE EQUIPMENT IS AND HOW IT RELATES TO, TO THE OTHER AND NEW EQUIPMENT MM-HMM
THAT YOU CAN BE MORE FAMILIAR WITH WHERE, WHERE THINGS ARE PLACED, I THINK.
ANYBODY ELSE? SO FOR OUR NEXT WITNESS, I'D PREVIOUSLY WO, BUT IF YOU COULD BEGIN BY STATING YOUR BACKGROUND AND QUALIFICATIONS SO THAT WE CAN QUALIFY.
UM, SO I WORK, UH, DO YOU KNOW
UH, BUSINESS ADDRESS 7 7 6 AVENUE, THREE 1200 BLOOMINGTON, MINNESOTA 5 5 45.
UH, SO I WORKED FOR THE INJURY CONSTRUCTION COMPANY BLACK.
UM, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED THERE FOR 14 YEARS.
UM, I'M AN INJURY MANAGER IN BLACK BUSINESS.
PRIMARILY WORKS ON PROJECT CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE SPACE SUCH AS POWER GENERATION FACILITIES, TREATMENT SYSTEMS. UM, ALSO CURRENTLY SUPPORTING PG ON PROJECT MAPLE SHADE.
AND WE SUPPORT PCG ON A NUMBER OF PROJECTS.
AND ARE, YES, I PROFESSIONAL LICENSED.
AND HAVE YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED IN FRONT OF OTHER LAND USE, LIVED WITHIN THE STATE OF NEW, HE'S BEEN QUALIFIED AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER.
WHAT'S THE PROFFER OF HIS EXPERT TESTIMONY? CIVIL ENGINEER.
SHOULD WE ACCEPT YOUR QUALIFI? RIGHT? GO AHEAD.
UM, UM, SO IN THIS EXHIBIT, UM, JOE STARTED COVERING IT.
I'LL JUST MAYBE COVER A FEW MORE THINGS IN A LITTLE MORE DETAIL.
UH, NORTH IS ON DRAWING 70 TO THE SOUTH.
UM, UH, ADDRESS GIVEN MET JEN.
UM, UH, BELIEVE PROPERTY IS ENTIRELY LOCATED IN THE, THE HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT ZONE IN MEDFORD.
UM, IT'S ABOUT A 12.2 ACRE PROPERTY.
UM, IT, UH, IT'S PROPERTIES PARTIALLY DEVELOPED IN THE SUBSTATION, WHICH CONSISTS OF, UH, UH, TRANSFORMER CIRCUIT BREAKERS DISTRIBUTION AS WELL.
UM, SUBSTATION IS CURRENTLY SURFACED WITH MOOSE, UH, CROSS GRAVEL THROUGHOUT THE STATION YARD.
AND, UH, THE CABIN ACCESS DRIVE AROUND INTERIOR ON SUBSTATION AND ACCESS ROAD FROM ROUTE 70.
UM, THE SUBSTATION IS CURRENTLY ENC CLOSE WITH A SEVENTH FOOT HIGH CHAIN FENCE TOP WITH ONE
UH, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE SITE IS SURROUNDED MOSTLY BY WOODED, UH, SOME OPEN SPACES ON ALL SIDES AND, UH, RESIDENCES, UM, OFF NORTH WEST.
UM, YOU CAN ALSO SEE THAT THE SUBSTATION IS SETBACK, UM, ABOUT SETBACK ABOUT TWO SEVEN FEET OFF OF 70.
UM, AND IT'S OFFERED BY, UM, AROUND PROPERTY.
AND IT, LASTLY, IT'S, IT'S NOT LOCATED IN THE, THE PINE LINES IS NOT LOCATED WITHIN THE PINE LINES
UM, REAL QUICK, JUST AS FAR AS EXISTING DRAINAGE AND GRADING IS CONCERNED, THE EXISTING SUBSTATION IS, IS VERY FLAT.
UM, IT'S ABOUT AN ELEVATION OF 38 FEET ABOVE SEA LEVEL, UM, PLUS OR MINUS, UH, THREE TO FOUR INCHES.
UM, THE PROPERTY OVERALL RANGES FROM ABOUT 38 AND A HALF FEET, UM, COMING IN ON ACCESS ROAD, UM, TO APPROXIMATE ELEVATIONS
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OF 28 FEET.UM, ALONG THE SOUTHEAST SIDE, UM, MOST OF THE PROPERTY THAT IS, IS ABOVE AN ELEVATION OF 33 FEET.
UH, THE PAVILION DRAINAGE OF THE SITE IS, IS GENERALLY FROM COMING NORTH FROM THE WEST NORTHWEST, UH, TO THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST OF THE SITE.
UM, AND FLOWS INTO, UH, UH, QUI RUN, UH, AND MESQUITE RUN DOWN THE TREE COVERED BY ALSO CONTINUES SOUTH ON PROPERTY.
UM, UH, AS FAR AS THE EXISTING STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE, THERE'S A COUPLE EXISTING INLETS, UH, THAT JUST CORRECT THE, THE STORM WATER CONVEY TO, UM, THERE'S A WEAPON AREA, THE SOUTH, UH, SIDE PROPERTY.
UM, THOSE WERE APPEARED TO HAVE BEEN ORIGINALLY 30 YEARS AGO.
UM, CAN, IF YOU COULD, UM, IN CONNECTION WITH YOUR TESTIMONY REGARDING THE SAFE EXAMINE AND YOU PROPOSED FEW, UM, HELP TO ANSWER THE QUESTION PREVIOUSLY, ONE OF THE BOARD MEMBERS IN TERMS OF POINTING OUT EXISTING EQUIPMENT SO THEY CAN RELATE THE OVERALL, UM, USAGE OF THE SITE AS RELATES TO TODAY'S AREA.
UM, I COULDN'T SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE, I COULDN'T SEE EXACTLY WHERE YOU WERE, YOU WERE POINTING WHEN YOU, UM, WERE YOU JUST POINTED TO THIS AREA OVER HERE.
IF I CAN TOUCH ON THAT TESTIMONY.
UM, SO YEAH, I'LL GO THROUGH A FEW MORE OF THE, THE CIVIL, UM, RELATED DETAILS.
UM, AS A PROJECT MANAGER, UM, MR. GRAFF INTRODUCED, UH, THE OVERALL SCOPE OF THE PROJECT IS TO ADDRESS A GRID RELIABILITY VIOLATION.
UM, THAT IS, UH, IT'S CURRENTLY EXISTING, UH, IN THE BUILDING, THIS AREA.
UM, AND, UH, THAT'S GONNA BE DONE BY EXPANDING THE STATION.
UM, AND THEN INSTALLING YOUR RUSH EQUIPMENT, EXISTING METHOD SUBSTATION.
UM, SO THE PROJECT WILL INVOLVE THE DEMOLITION OF A PORTION OF THE EXISTING 69 K YARD, WHICH IS PRIMARILY IN THIS AREA.
UM, AND THEN, UM, EXPANDED TO THE EAST NORTHEAST, UH, WITH THE NEW IN THE BUS ARRANGEMENT, UM, THAT YOU SEE IN RED, UM, WOULD BE INSTALLED.
THE FOOTPRINTS APPROXIMATE FOOTPRINT OF THE STATION EXPANSION IS ABOUT 300 BY 200 FEET.
UM, INCLUDES, UM, THE NEW ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT, THE RING BUS, UM, AND THEN A NEW CONTROL HOUSE, UM, HERE AS WELL.
UM, JUST NORTH OF THE EXISTING SITE.
UM, THE, YEAH, THE NEW CONTROL BUILDING.
UM, WE HAVE A SINGLE BATHROOM.
UM, IT'S ABOUT 28 5 54 FEET IN SIZE.
UM, AND IT WAS, UH, PLANNED TO BE A SURREY BEIGE IN COLOR.
UH, ALL THE PROPOSED EQUIPMENT IS ANTICIPATED TO BE SUPPORTED BY SPREAD FOUNDATIONS FOR SLAB ON GRADE TYPE FOUNDATIONS.
UH, THE EXPANDED STATION YARD WILL BE SURFACED WITH MORE OF THAT FOUR TO SIX INCHES OF THREE QUARTER INCH LOOSE CLEAN GRAVEL.
UM, THAT'S WHAT CURRENTLY EXISTS ON SITE, THAT'S TYPICAL FOR, FOR SUBSTATIONS.
UM, AND THEN THERE WILL BE THE ACCESS DRIVES FOR, TO ACCESS AND MAINTAIN THE EQUIPMENT, UM, BUT ALSO PLANS SIMILAR TO HOW THE EXISTING STATIONS ARRANGED.
UH, MOST OF THE DRIVEWAYS KIND OF GO IN AND THEN AROUND THE INTERIOR OF THE, OF THE BUS ARRANGEMENT.
UM, AND THEN, UH, THE, UH, FURTHER THE NORTHEAST, THERE'S A FIRE RETENTION BASED IN PLAN TO, TO MANAGE STORMWATER.
TOUCH ON THAT A LITTLE BIT MORE IN JUST A MOMENT.
UM, AS FAR AS JUST GENERAL SOIL DISTURBANCES, UM, OBVIOUSLY THERE'S GRADING WORK REQUIRED FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SITE.
UM, THERE'S ALSO GONNA BE, UH, FOUNDATIONS AND DUCT BANKS AND CONDUIT AND GROUNDING CABLE INSTALLED, UM, STORMWATER MANAGEMENT FACILITIES, UM, NEW SEPTIC SYSTEM AND WELL INSTALLED AS MENTIONED BY JOE.
UM, UH, AND THEN THERE ARE, THERE'LL EITHER REMOVAL OF THREE EXISTING LIGHTING MASKS ON THE SITE.
UM, AND THEN A REPLACED WITH THREE NEW LIGHTING MASKS, A DIFFERENT LOCATION RANGING IN HEIGHT, 30 FEET TO 71 FEET IN HEIGHT.
UH, AND THEN TWO NEW STATION LINE POWER TRANSFORMERS INSTALLED HERE.
THOSE ARE SIMILAR TO THE TRANSFORMERS YOU SEE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, UM, TO PROVIDE JUST POWER TO THE SUBSTATION, UH, CONTROL HOUSE ITSELF.
UM, A LITTLE MORE DETAIL ON GRAD AND STORMWATER.
UM, SO THE CURRENTLY DEVELOPED PORTION OF THE SITE IS APPROXIMATELY 1.4 ACRES.
UH, THE PROPOSED FINAL CONFIGURATION OF THE SITE, UH, WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 2.7 ACRES OF DEVELOPED, UM, UH, DEVELOPED
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FOR THE SUBSTATION PAD, UM, WE CALL IT.AND THAT INCLUDES THE ACCESS ROAD, UH, ACCESS ROAD ACCESS IN THE SUBSTATION AS WELL.
UM, SO, UH, AND THEN YOU CAN SEE THERE IS A LITTLE BIT OF GRADING WORK EAST OF WHERE THE BIO TENSION BASIN IS GONNA GO.
UM, THAT IS BECAUSE THE SITE IS IN A FLOOD HAZARD AREA, UM, AND SOME PORTIONS OF THE SITE YOU FALL WITHIN, WITHIN THE FLOOD HAZARD AREA.
SO WE NEEDED TO, UM, TO COMPLY WITH THE, UH, FLOOD, UH, DESIGN REQUIREMENTS.
WE NEEDED TO, UM, JUST LOWER THIS AREA AND IMPROVE THE DRAINAGE, UM, UH, EVENT THAT'S GONNA TAKE PLACE THERE.
UM, SO, UH, YEAH, AS DISCUSSED WITH EXISTING CONDITIONS, THE SITE GENERALLY DRAINS FROM THE NORTHWEST WEST, NORTHWEST TO THE SOUTH SOUTHEAST.
UH, AND THAT PREVAILING DRAINAGE IS GENERALLY GONNA BE MAINTAINED, UM, WITH SOME ADJUSTMENTS WHERE NEEDED IN THE SUBSTATION.
ADD TO ENCOURAGE OVERLAND SHEET FLOW TOWARDS THE BOW RETENTION BASIN.
UH, THE EXPANDED IN, IN THE FINAL CONFIGURATION, THE SUBSTATION PAD ITSELF WILL BE ABOUT ONE, JUST ONE TO TWO FEET HIGHER THAN IT IS NOW.
UM, THIS IS FOR JUST THE MITIGATION OF THE, OF THE FLOOD RISK, UH, AT THIS SITE.
AND IT'S ALSO JUST GENERAL GOOD PRACTICE.
UM, 'CAUSE THE SUBSTATION IS, IS IN SOME LOW LINE UNDEVELOPED AREAS, UH, THERE SURROUNDING IT.
UM, SO YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS TYPICAL PRACTICE I WOULD SAY FOR A SUBSTATION PROJECT LIKE THIS.
UH, THE AREA IS A INCREASE IN, UH, IMP IMPROVE PREVIOUS AREA BY 0.45 ACRES AND NET INCREASE IN OUR VEHICLE SURFACE AREA OF 0.32 ACRES, UH, ASSOCIATED WITH THE EXPANSION.
UH, SO TO MANAGE AND TREAT THIS ADDITIONAL, UH, POWER RETENTION BASIN IS BEING PROPOSED.
SET SITE, UH, IT'S DESIGNED FOR PER THE, UH, NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, STORMWATER BEST MANAGEMENT PRACTICE NAME.
AND IT'S A, UH, UM, IT'S A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE RECOGNIZED AS A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE IMPROVEMENT.
UH, SO IN SUMMARY, UM, ON THE SITE DEVELOPMENT, STORMWATER DESIGN, ALL THE STATE LOCAL REQUIREMENTS IN USUALLY NEW JERSEY ADMINISTRATIVE CODE, UM, FOR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ARE BEING SATISFIED BY THE PROJECT DETAILED STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, BY REVIEWED BY THE BOARD ENGINEERS, ALL THE APPLICATION, UH, NO QUICK WITH PROPOSED UTILITIES.
UM, AS MENTIONED, UM, THERE'S A SINGLE OCCUPANCY RESTROOM FACILITY, UM, THAT WE IN CONTROL BUILDING, UM, A AND SINK EYE WASH.
UM, AND SO A NEW WELL IS UNIT PROPOSED, UH, NEAR THE BUILDING AND THEN THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, UH, TO, TO THE NORTH NORTHWEST OF THE, OF THE NEW BUILDING, UH, TO MANAGE, UH, WASTE WATER, UH, RAISE AN EXISTING SEPTIC SYSTEM AND EXISTING WELL ON SITE THAT COMMISSION AS PART OF ITS PROJECT.
UM, AND ALL, ALL THE UTILITY WORK, UM, FOR THE SEWER AND THE WATER WILL BE IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, THE APPROPRIATE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AND, UH, AS MENTIONED, UM, MENTIONED IT, UM, THE PROPERTY IS, IS NOT IN A EXISTING SEWER, BUT IN A MUNICIPAL INFRASTRUCTURE AREA.
UM, SO THAT'S WHY THE SEPTIC AND WELL AND PROPOSED, AND THERE IS NO GAS SERVICE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT.
REAL QUICK ON LIGHTING, BECAUSE GEORGIA, UM, GOOD JOB OF, OF GIVING AN OVERVIEW OF THAT, THE LIGHTING PLANS.
UM, I'LL JUST NOTE THAT, UH, THE LIGHTING DESIGN HE DESCRIBED AS, UM, MEETS BOTH PSEG AND INDUSTRY STANDARD, UH, FOR PRACTICE OF SUBSTATION ELIMINATION.
UM, AND IT'S WITHIN THE MOST DISCRETION PROPOSED PROJECT.
UM, I'LL, UH, COMMENT ON THE VARIANCES THAT ARE BEING REQUESTED.
UM, FIRST IS THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURAL LOCATION.
UM, CONTROL BUILDING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE PERMITTED INSIDE OF REAR YARDS ONLY, WHEREAS, UH, A FRONT YARD IS BEING REQUESTED.
UM, THE PROPOSED BUILDING EATS ALL THE FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARD REQUIREMENTS, UM, NONETHELESS.
UM, BUT THE SUBSTATION DOES NOT HAVE EFFECTIVELY HAVE A TRADITIONAL PUBLIC FRONTAGE, UH, OR TRADITIONAL FRONT REAR SIDE YARDS.
UM, AND IT'S, IT'S SET BACK AS MENTIONED, UM, PROPERTY.
UM, AND IT'S ALL BUFFERED BY EXISTING BOARD FEEDBACK ON JENNIFER, YOU HAVE A PLANNER TO TALK THAT FOR THEIR NEXT ISSUE.
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UM, AND JOE, UM, ALREADY COMMENTED ON THE, THE TRAILERS THAT WERE PLANNED, UH, AS MENTIONED ON VARIANCE, FOUR TRAILERS INSTEAD OF, INSTEAD OF PERMIT.THE NEXT VARIANCE I COMMENT ON FOR IS REGARDING THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND SPECIFICALLY THE, THE ROOF TYPE AND PITCH AND THE PROPORTION OR THE CONTROL BUILDING ROOF.
UH, SO WHAT IS PERMITTED IS A MINIMUM, UH, FIVE OR 12 HORIZONTAL, UM, AND A THIRD OF THE, UH, THE INVITE BEING A A THIRD OF THE BUILDING HEIGHT.
UM, THIS IS WHAT'S PERMITTED, WHEREAS A FLAT ROOF IS BEING PROPOSED FOR THE SUBSTATION CONTROL ROOM.
THE CONTROL BUILDING IS A, IS GONNA BE A PRE-ENGINEERED METAL BUILDING, UM, THE NEWER SUBSTATIONS WITHIN PCD NETWORK.
UM, IT'S ALSO A TYPICAL PRACTICE FOR, UH, SUBSTATION CONTROLLER IN GENERAL.
UM, IT'S, IT'S A COST EFFECTIVE MAINTENANCE, UH, UH, FRIENDLY, UH, DESIGN FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, IT ALSO MINIMIZES THE BUILDING HEIGHT AND PROFILE, UM, AND MAKES SINCE IT'S A, UM, A PRE-ENGINEERED AND PREASSEMBLED FOR EASE TO TRANSPORT INSTALLATION AT THE SITE.
UM, UH, NEXT, JUST A FEW MORE COMMENTS HERE.
UM, ONE ON, UM, UH, THERE AREN'T ANY, UH, NUISANCE EMISSIONS OR SMOKE COMMUNITIES OR ORDERS ASSOCIATED WITH THE SITE.
UM, NOISE STUDY WAS, UH, COMPLETED ASSESSING THE ACOUSTICAL IMPACT OF THE PROJECT AS WELL, UM, LIMITS AT NEARBY, UM, PROPERTY.
UM, AND UH, LASTLY, UH, I'LL JUST COMMENT THAT, UH, WE, UM, RECEIVED THE PLANNING LETTERS, UM, PROFESSIONALS, UM, AND, UH, WE HAVE NO ISSUES COMPLY TO THOSE, THOSE LETTERS AND WORK PROFESSIONALS TO ADDRESS THE RESOLVE COMMENTS.
UM, SO IF THERE THERE ANY FURTHER ITEMS FOREST PROFESSIONALS COMMENT ON ASK SPECIFICALLY, I'LL JUST MENTION THE HERE, UM, YOUR QUESTION, THAT'S JUST THE ALCOHOL PIPE FOR THE BIORETENTION BASIN.
THERE'S AN CONTROL STRUCTURE HERE ON THE SIDE SIDE, THE SIDE OF THE BASIN, AND THEN THE, UH, PIPE, UM, WHICH THE LOW AREA, UH, NEAR.
AND THERE'S A PROPOSAL TO CLEAR THE TREES ALONG THAT ENTIRE SECTION.
YES, THERE WILL NEED TO BE THE TREE CLEARING FOR THE INITIAL INSTALLATION OF THE BUT DID THE BOUNDARIES OF THE AREA, OF THE PIPE OR ANYTHING? NO, THE LIMITED DISTURBANCE ARE, ARE NOTED HERE ON THE PLAN.
THIS IS WITHIN DISTURB, CORRECT? YES.
WILL FOLIAGE BE ALLOWED TO GROW BACK ONCE THAT CLEARING HAPPENS? Y YEAH.
AFTER, AFTER ALL THE REGRADING HAPPENS, UM, THAT YEAH.
WE WILL HOLD ALL THE QUESTIONS TILL THE END, I GUESS.
WE CAN RECALL ANY WITNESS IF NEEDED TO ADDRESS FUTURE QUESTIONS.
AND WITH THAT I'D TO CALL OUR THIRD WITNESS, UH, LISA FIRST, YOU'VE PREVIOUSLY BEEN SWORN.
UM, IF YOU COULD RESTATE YOUR NAME AND ADDRESS FOR THE RECORD ED YEAR PROFESSIONAL AND, UM, EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND INVOLVE.
MY NAME IS LISA DEZA, 25 7 25 17, ROUTE 35 0 8 7 3 6.
I WORK FOR A FIRM CALLED E TWO PROJECT MANAGEMENT.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR, UH, FOUR YEARS NOW.
I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING TECHNOLOGY FROM NJIT.
I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY FOR 14 YEARS.
I'M ALSO A CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL ENGINEER FOR 14 YEARS AS WELL, BOTH LICENSES AND
UM, I'VE BEEN A CIVIL ENGINEER IN THE PRIVATE AND PUBLIC SECTOR FOR OVER 30 YEARS AT E 2:00 PM I AM A SENIOR PROJECT ENGINEERING UTILITY DEPARTMENT WHERE WE, UH, SECURE PERMITTINGS, UH, FOR, FOR PS MOSTLY P-S-C-M-G.
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WE GET THEIR LOCAL FEDERAL, UH, STATE, UH, PERMITS FOR THEM ON THIS SPECIFIC PROJECT, E 2:00 PM PREPARED THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN WHERE I, IT WAS DESIGNED BY A LANDSCAPE ARCHITECT IN MY OFFICE UNDER MY DIRECTION AS A CIVIL ENGINEER.SO MR. FRAN WOULD BE QUALIFIED AS A CIVIL ENGINEER AS WELL.
TESTIMONY REGARDING ANY QUESTION? SO, QUALIFI, GO AHEAD.
I'LL REFER TO THE LANDSCAPING PLAN THAT WAS SUBMITTED TO YOUR OFFICE LAST REVISED 6 5 20 25.
UM, AS THE, AS THE ENGINEER, UH, INDICATED THAT THERE WILL BE SOME REMOVAL OF PLANT MATERIAL EXISTING VEGETATION OUT OF THE SITE, UM, MOSTLY TO THE NORTH AND WEST OF THE EXISTING STATION.
AND IF FOR THE PROPOSED STATION EXPANSION IMPROVEMENTS, IT WILL REQUIRE 263 EXISTING TREES TO BE REMOVED WITH A SIX INCH DDH AND GRADING.
THUS REQUIRE REQUIRED PER THE ORDINANCE 2024 DASH 4 314 REPLACEMENT TREES.
IT'S PROPOSED TO INSTALL 31 NEW TREES AT THE NORTH AND NORTHEAST SECTION OF THE PROPERTY IN THE BACK AT THE CORNER OF THE NEW SUBSTATION EXPANSION AND THE PROPOSED BIO RETENTION BASIN.
WITH THAT, WITH THE 31 NEW TREES BEING INSTALLED THERE, THE A DEFICIENCY OF 283 TREES.
WE DESIGNED THE LANDSCAPING LANDSCAPING PLAN TO PLACE MATERIAL IN ANY, ANY OPEN AREA THAT WAS AVAILABLE TO ENHANCE THE EXISTING BUMPER ALONG THE PROPERTY LINE AND THE STATION.
THERE ARE NUMEROUS EXISTING TREES THAT WILL REMAIN ALONG THE NORTHERLY PROPERTY LINE.
SO THERE'S LIMITED AREA TO PLANT ANY SIGNIFICANT PLANT MATERIAL.
IT'S DIFFICULT TO TELL HERE, BUT THIS WHOLE AREA THAT IS TO REMAIN UNDISTURBED HAS EXISTING TREES.
SO IT'S KIND OF DIFFICULT TO PLANT TOO MANY TREES, TOO MANY TREES SPORADICALLY THROUGHOUT.
WE HAVE A COLORED VERSION OF EXACTLY THIS TO SORT OF GIVE YOU A, A GREEN VISUAL
IT'S THE SAME AS JUST, IT'S JUST A COLORING VERSION, BUT WE CANS DO WOULD BE SO AS CAN, AS CAN BE SEEN THIS STUFF IN PINK IS THE PROPOSED EXPANSION.
THE MAJORITY OF THE GRAY IS THE EXISTING YARD TO REMAIN.
AND OUR LANDSCAPING, AS I INDICATED, IS AT THE NORTHEAST CORNER OF THE EXPANSION.
AND ALL THE DARKER GREEN REPRESENT THE EXISTING WOODED AREAS TO REMAIN ALL THROUGHOUT THE PROPERTY.
WITH THAT STORM WATER OUT STRUCTURE CLEARED, IT WILL BE PLANTED OVER.
THIS LIGHTER GREEN WILL BE PLANTED WITH GRASS.
AND AS YOU'VE INDICATED, THIS WILL HAVE OVERGROWTH.
ONCE IT'S RECREATED NATURALLY, THEN IT WON'T BE
SOME OF THESE OTHER LIGHTER GREENER AREAS THAT YOU COULD SEE HERE ALONG THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION, ALL THE WAY TO THE NORTH AND EAST OF THE PROPERTY.
SOME ADDITIONAL LEFTS THERE, BUT THEY ACTUALLY ARE, UH, VEGETATED ALONG THE NORTHLY NORTHERLY BUFFER.
THERE'S SOME EXISTING CEDARS THAT EXIST ALONG THE COMMON PROPERTY LINE WITH THE RESIDENCES ON THAT SIDE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE NOT ON OUR PROPERTY.
IN ADDITION TO THE EXISTING TREES THAT ARE BUFFERED ALONG NOR THE, THE PROPERTY LINE, THE PROPOSED PROJECT MEETS THE BUFFER REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
SECTION FOUR 10 B UH, HEAT WHERE THE FRONT YARD REQUIRED IS 50 FOOT, UH, TO THE EXISTING FENCE OF OUR, TO OUR PROPERTY OF THE STATION IS 225 FEET TO THE FENCE.
THE SIDE YARD REQUIRES A 25 FOOT BUFFER.
WE HAVE ABOUT 160 TO THE WEST AND UP TO 275 TO EAST THE REAR YARD REQUIRES A 25 FOOT BUFFER WHERE WE HAVE 40 WITH THE ENHANCED BUFFER THAT WE ARE PROVIDING.
AND THAT'S ONLY FOR A SECTION OF ABOUT 108 FEET OF OUR PROPOSED LANDSCAPING.
THE MAJORITY OF IT HAS ABOUT A 50 FOOT BUFFER, IF NOT MORE, ON EITHER SIDE TO REMAIN.
UM, THERE WASN'T TOO MANY CONSTRAINTS ON THIS PROJECT FOR LANDSCAPING BECAUSE BECAUSE IT
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IS HEAVILY WOODED, THERE'S USUALLY TYPICALLY OVERHEAD UNDERGROUND, UH, CONSTRAINTS THAT WE CAN'T PLANT NEAR OR AROUND.THIS ONE ONLY HAS A 10 FOOT CLEARANCE FROM, FROM THE FENCES.
THERE'S SOME OVERHEAD WIRES THAT DO COME INTO THE STATION FROM ROUTE 70, WHICH THOSE EVERY ALREADY HAVE CLEARANCES.
AND THERE WILL BE SOME ADDITIONAL CLEARANCES FOR, FOR, UM, THE
UH, THE PROPOSED LANDSCAPING BEING INSTALLED.
THERE'LL BE ONE DECIDUOUS DECIDUOUS, WHICH IS THE RED MAPLE.
THAT'LL BE 25 EASTERN RED CEDARS AND FIVE AMERICAN COLLEAGUES.
THEY'RE ALL NATIVE AND DROUGHT TOLERANT AND FOR MAINTENANCE FOR THE FACILITY.
AND OTHER THAN THAT TESTIMONY, UM, TO THE EXTENT THAT YOU WANNA ADDRESS ANY ITEMS SPECIFICALLY THAT WOULD ASK FOR TESTIMONY REGARDING THIS MEETING, WELL, WITH REGARDS TO THE BOARD PLANNERS, UM, MR. TAYLOR WILL COMPLY WITH ALL OF HIS CONDITIONS.
UM, RECOMMENDATIONS, UH, WITH REGARDS TO, UH, MR. NOBLE'S AND YOUR BOARD ENGINEER'S LETTER, THE ONLY ITEM IN THERE, HE DEFERS MOST OF IT TO YOUR PLANNER.
THE ONLY ITEM, ITEM 22 B, HE INDICATED TO INCORPORATE PLANTING FROM THE BASINS ON THE, UH, LANDSCAPE PLAN.
SO WE'LL DO THAT IN COMPLIANCE WITH ANY QUESTIONS FOR THIS WITNESS OR DO YOU WANNA RESERVE? I WROTE MINE DOWN.
I JUST HAVE A CURIOSITY FOR, FOR FUN.
THE, THE RATIO OF, OF TREES, UH, 25 RED CEDAR, FIVE AMERICAN HOLLY, ONE RED MAPLE.
JUST CURIOUS AS TO THE REASON FOR THE RATIO.
UH, WE, WE TRIED TO DO A DOUBLE STAGGERED ROW TO ENHANCE THE BUFFER A BIT MORE FOR THIS 180 FEET AND JUST WHERE SOME, SOME DIFFERENTIAL OF SPECIES.
AND JUST ONE DECIDUOUS, THE MAJORITY OF THE, UH, EXISTING MATERIAL OUT THERE IS DECIDUOUS AGAIN WITH THIS, UH, CEDAR ROW ON THE NORTH TO REMAIN, WHICH IS NOT ON OUR GREAT, THANK YOU.
QUESTION SINCE WE WE'RE TALKING THERESE, UM, YOUR TESTIMONY STATED A DIFFERENCE IN THE DEFICIENCY THAT THE APPLICATION STATED.
UH, UM, WHAT'S, WHICH ONE ARE WE USING, IF YOU DON'T MIND ME ASKING? THERE WAS 2 62 DEFICIENCY LISTED IN THE APPLICATION.
I BELIEVE YOUR NUMBER WAS IN THE TWO 80 RANGE.
AND THE, I BELIEVE THE APPLICATION SAID, FORGIVE ME, THERE ARE 2 53 EXISTING TREES TO BE REMOVED.
BUT THEN WHEN WE DID A CALCULATION OF WHAT'S REQUIRED, IT TOOK A GREATER NUMBER THAN THAT.
AND THEN WHEN YOU SUBTRACT OUT 80 TREES THAT WERE PROVIDING BACK THE 31, WE GET TO THAT NUMBER, THE 2 83 FOR THE DEFICIENCY, WHICH MAKES UP WHAT OUR CONTRIBUTION TO THE TREE FUND WOULD BE.
DOES THAT MAKE SENSE? IT DOES.
UM, BUT CAN I, I I'M NOT SURE ABOUT THE NUMBERS YOU'RE REFERRING TO, BUT IF IT WAS THE R INITIAL APPLICATION MM-HMM
WE, WE REVISED THE PLANS AFTER THE FACT.
SO THERE MAY BE A DESCRIPTION IN, IN THE PHYSICAL APPLICATION THAT YEAH, I I BELIEVE THAT THE INITIAL APPLICATION STATED 240 TREES WERE TO BE REMOVED AND, AND I THINK YOUR TESTIMONY WAS IN THE RANGE OF 260 TREES.
AND BECAUSE OF THE DEP REGULATIONS THAT WE COULD MAKE SOME MODIFICATIONS, SOME ADDITIONAL TREES THAT WILL BE REMOVED.
SO THAT'S WHAT ADJUSTED THE NUMBERS.
THAT'S WHAT I BELIEVE YOU'RE REQUIRE.
AND, AND THOSE NUMBERS ARE REFLECTED ON THEIR CURRENT SET OF PLANS.
WE DID DOUBLE CHECK ALL OF THOSE.
SO IT IS 2 63 BEING REMOVED DUE TO THE CALIPER SIZES.
SOME OF THOSE HAVE A TWO FOR ONE REPLANTING REQUIREMENT FOR GROSS PLANTING REQUIREMENT OF 314 TREES MINUS THE 31 THAT THEY'RE PLANTING ELSEWHERE ON SITE, LEAVING A DEFICIT OF 283.
AND THE, THE, EXCUSE ME, THE TREES TO BE PLANTED ELSEWHERE.
IS THAT DETERMINED BY YOURSELF? THE BOARD? SO, SO OUR ORDINANCE HAS, UH, PROVISIONS WHERE THE APPLICANT CAN EITHER PROVIDE THOSE TREES ON SITE OR MAKE A PAYMENT IN LIEU THEREOF TO THE TOWNSHIP'S TREE FUND, UH, OR A COMBINATION THEREOF.
AND IS WHOSE DISCRETION IS THAT? IS IT IT IS TYPICALLY THE APPLICANT'S DISCRETION.
UH, THE BOARD ALSO HAS SOME DISCRETION IF THERE ARE ADDITIONAL TREES THAT THE BOARD FEEL WOULD BE APPROPRIATE ON THIS SITE.
UH, BUT THAT SHOULD BE A TOPIC THAT IS DISCUSSED BY THE BOARD THIS EVENING.
AND THEN FOR OUR FOURTH AND FINAL WITNESS, I'D LIKE TO CALL KATHY HERRING.
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YOU WERE ALSO PREVIOUSLY BACKGROUND PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS.UM, MY NAME IS KATHY HERRING, K-A-T-H-Y-H-E-R-I-N-G.
MY ADDRESS IS 4,000 HADLEY ROAD, SOUTH PLAINFIELD, NEW JERSEY 0 7 0 0 7 0 8.
UM, I'VE BEEN EMPLOYED WITH PSEG FOR THE PAST 14 MONTHS.
PRIOR TO THAT, I, UH, WAS A CONSULTANT FOR PSEG FOR NINE YEARS IN THE CAPACITY OF, UM, A PERMITTING MANAGER.
AND SIMILAR TO MR. FANA, HELPED SECURE ALL THE PERMITS NECESSARY FOR, UH, PSEG PROJECTS THROUGHOUT THEIR TERRITORY.
UM, EDUCATIONALLY I RECEIVED MY BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM DUKE UNIVERSITY.
I ALSO RECEIVED MY MASTER'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM, UH, GEORGIA TECH.
I HAVE BEEN A LICENSED PLANNER, UH, FOR THE PAST 22 YEARS, A LICENSED ENGINEER FOR THE PAST 24 YEARS.
I'M ALSO A CERTIFIED MUNICIPAL ENGINEER FOR 22 YEARS, AND MY LICENSES ARE CURRENT AND IN GOOD STANDING.
UM, SIMILAR ALSO TO MR. FRANCE'S BACKGROUND.
I WAS ALSO A MUNICIPAL, UH, BOARD ENGINEER FOR ABOUT EIGHT YEARS, AND THEN A CONSULTANT, UH, FOR P-S-A-M-J AS WELL.
SO I HAVE PROVIDED TESTIMONY AS A BOARD ENGINEER AND ALSO ON BEHALF OF KSAG IN THE CAPACITY OF A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER AND AN ENGINEER.
AND YOU PREVIOUSLY TESTIFIED IN THAT CAPACITY BEFORE NORTHPORT IN ST.
UM, I HAVE, UH, VISITED THE SITE ON NUMEROUS OCCASIONS AND I ALSO HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO REVIEW THE BOARD, UH, THE LETTERS PREPARED BY OUR BOARD PROFESSIONALS.
AND SO WE WOULD BE RECOGNIZING HER IF THE FIELD OF PROFESSIONAL PLANNING SPECIFICALLY.
UM, BUT SHE'S ALSO QUALIFIED AS, AS A CIVIL ENGINEER.
SO TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE ARE QUESTIONS, SPECIFICALLY GEAR TOWARDS CIVIL ENGINEERING RELATED TO PROFESSIONAL PLANNING TESTIMONY SHE COULDN'T ADDRESS AS WELL, IT WOULD BE REALLY A DUAL CERTIFICATION.
UM, SO AS PREVIOUSLY NOTED, UH, OUR PROPERTY IS LOCATED IN THE HM, HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT ZONE WHERE PUBLIC UTILITIES ARE PERMITTED CONDITIONAL USE.
SECTION 6 0 2 L OF THE TOWNSHIP'S LAND DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCE SET SETS FORTH THE CONDITIONS, UH, FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES, THE FIRST OF WHICH IS TO MEET THE DEFINITION.
THE ORDINANCE DEFINES PUBLIC UTILITIES AS SUCH, USES AS TELEPHONE DIAL, EQUIPMENT CENTERS, POWER STATION, POWER STATIONS, AND OTHER UTILITIES SERVING THE PUBLIC SUCH AS SEWAGE TREATMENT PLANTS.
UH, AS AN EXISTING SUBSTATION THAT HAS BEEN PROVIDING PUBLIC TO THE ELECTRICITY TO THE PUBLIC FOR THE PAST ALMOST 30 YEARS, I DO BELIEVE THAT WE MEET THIS DEFINITION AND WE PROPOSE TO CONTINUE TO DO SO.
UM, UNDER, UH, THE NEXT CONDITION, UH, IS OUR NEED TO DEMONSTRATE THAT THE PROPOSED PROJECT IN THIS PARTICULAR LOCATION IS REASONABLY NECESSARY TO PROVIDE SATISFACTORY ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND THE SURROUNDING AREA.
UM, AS MR. GRAFF PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED, UM, THIS SUBSTATION CURRENTLY PROVIDES SERVICE TO 13,000 CUSTOMERS, AND I BELIEVE IT'S IN INAPPROPRIATE USE TO EXPAND THE EXISTING STATION TO CONTINUE, UH, THE PROVISION OF PUBLIC ELECTRICITY.
UH, SECTION 6 0 2 L THREE UH, REQUIRES THAT THE DESIGN OF ANY BUILDING IN CONNECTION WITH SUCH FACILITIES MUST NOT ADVERSELY AFFECT THE SAFE AND COMFORTABLE ENJOYMENT OF PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE SURROUNDING AREA.
AS PART OF PSE G'S APPLICATION, WE SUBMITTED AN ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STATEMENT, A TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT, AND A**L, AN ACOUSTICAL STUDY, ALL OF WHICH CONCLUDED THAT THIS APPLICATION WILL NOT HAVE ANY SIGNIFICANT ADVERSE IMPACTS ON, UH, ELEMENTS SUCH AS AIR NOISE, LIGHT TRAFFIC, OR SENSITIVE ENVIRONMENTAL AREAS.
UM, SO IN, IN MY OPINION, UM, NOT ONLY WOULD THE CONTROL HOUSE, BUT
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THE PROJECT IN GENERAL WILL NOT HAVE AN ADVERSE EFFECT ON THE ADJACENT, UM, PROPERTY OWNERS OR SURROUNDING AREA.UH, NEXT SECTION 6 0 2 L FOUR REQUIRES THAT ADEQUATE FENCES AND OTHER SAFETY ADVICE DEVICES MUST BE PROVIDED.
AND WHEN USED TO ENCLOSE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATIONS SHALL BE BUILT IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE NEW JERSEY PUBLIC BOARD OF UTILITY COMMISSIONERS AND THE NATIONAL ELECTRIC SAFETY CODE.
IN EFFECT, AT THE TIME OF CONSTRUCTION, UH, MR. GRAFF PROVIDED TESTIMONY REGARDING THE PROPOSED, UH, PERIMETER FENCE AROUND THE ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION AS THE ANTI CUTT ANTI CLIMB, AND THAT DOES MEET THE BPU AND UM, UH, ANY, UH, CS REQUIREMENTS.
UH, NEXT, UH, SECTION 6 0 2 L FIVE REQUIRES THAT LANDSCAPING, INCLUDING SHRUBS AND LAWNS BE PROVIDED AND MAINTAINED.
MR. FRANCIS JUST PROVIDED TESTIMONY ON THE LANDSCAPING PLAN, UM, THAT IS BEING PROPOSED, AND K-S-E-M-G, OF COURSE, WILL AGREE TO MAINTAIN THAT, UH, LANDSCAPING.
AND LASTLY, SECTION 6 0 2 L SIX SETS FORTH THE CONDITIONS THAT OFF STREET PARKING SHALL BE PROVIDED AS DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD.
UH, MR. GRAFF ALSO, UH, EXPLAINED, UH, THE OPERATIONS AT THE SUBSTATION WHERE DESIGNATED PARKING IS NOT REQUIRED.
THE FACILITY IS NOT OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND ANY TECHNICIANS VISITING THE SITE AS AMPLE ROOM TO, TO PARK WITHOUT THE NEED TO HAVE ANYTHING DESIGNATED.
UH, NEXT I'D LIKE TO GO THROUGH, UH, MR. TAYLOR'S LETTER AND ADJUST THE VARIANCES THAT HE, UH, IDENTIFIED.
THE FIRST OF WHICH, WHICH HAS PREVIOUSLY BEEN DISCUSSED IS THE BULK VARIANCE TO, UH, PERMIT THE FOUR TEMPORARY CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS FOR A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS.
WHEREAS THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES OR ALLOWS ONLY ONE, UH, TEMPORARY TRAILER, I BELIEVE, FOR A PERIOD OF ONE YEAR.
UM, I BELIEVE MR. GRAF'S TESTIMONY ON THE, UM, MULTIPLE, UM, THE CONTRACTORS AND PSEG STAFF THAT NEED TO OCCUPY THE, UH, ADDITIONAL TRAILERS AS WELL AS THE PROJECT DURATION OF, OF TWO YEARS.
UH, THE SECOND VARIANCE WOULD BE FOR THE LOCATION OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED ELECTRICAL EQUIPMENT IN THE FRONT YARD OR, UM, IN, IN FRONT OF A CONTROL HOUSE.
SO THE PROPOSED CONTROL HOUSE, BY DEFINITION SETS, UM, THE BOUNDARY FOR THE FRONT YARD.
WE NOT WITHIN THE MINIMUM FRONT YARD SETBACK OF A HUNDRED FEET, BUT ANY ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, WHICH WOULD BE ANY PROPOSED OR EXISTING EQUIPMENT WILL BE, UH, IN FRONT OF THE, THE PROPOSED CONTROL HOUSE.
SO, UM, REALLY ANYTHING FROM APPROXIMATELY THIS AREA FORWARD TECHNICALLY WOULD BE WITHIN THE FRONT YARD FOR WHICH WE ARE SEEKING RELIEF BASED ON REALLY JUST THE GENERAL CONFIGURATION OF THE STATION AND OTHER CONSTRAINTS FOR THE PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE CONTROL HOUSE.
AND ALSO, UH, AS, UH, MR. UH, GASPER HAD DISCUSSED, WE NEED TWO BULK VARIANCES FOR THE DESIGN OF THE PROPOSED CONTROL HOUSE WHERE THE ORDINANCE REQUIRES ROOFS TO BE ONE THIRD OF THE OVERALL ALL BUILDING HEIGHT, HAVING A TRUE GABLE OR SIMILAR ROOF, AND HAVING A MINIMUM ROOF PITCH OF A FIVE ON 12.
UM, BY DESIGNING THE CONTROL HOUSE TO MEET THESE, THESE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS, WE WOULD ACTUALLY BE PROVIDING A LARGER STRUCTURE WITH MORE MASS AND MORE VISIBILITY.
SO FOR THE PURPOSES OF OUR APPLICATION, REQUESTING THAT REALLY FOR A LOWER PROFILE AND LESS VISIBLE CONTROL HOUSE, UM, ALONG WITH THE FACT THAT IT'S A PREFABRICATED BUILDING, UH, AND TRANSPORTING ANYTHING BIGGER THAN THE PROPOSED, WELL, THERE'S TRANSPORTATION ISSUES WITH GOING UNDER BRIDGES AND THINGS LIKE THAT, QUITE FRANKLY, UH, ALSO IN MY OPINION, IT IT, IT HAS LESS OF A VISUAL IMPACT ON THE SURROUNDING NEIGHBORS.
AND IF WE WERE TO MEET THE INTENT OF THIS SECTION OF THE ORDINANCE, UM, MR. TAYLOR ALSO IDENTIFIED, UM, A, A WAIVER THAT MAY BE
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REQUIRED FOR NOT PROVIDING A RESIDENTIAL BUFFER PLANTING THAT WOULD'VE OBSCURE THE ACTIVITIES OF THE SITE FROM ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL DISTRICTS.I THINK THE COMBINATION OF THE EXISTING VEGETATIVE BUFFER, THE ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPING, AND ALSO THE ANTI CUTT ANTI CLIMB FENCE, UM, WILL PROVIDE, UM, ADEQUATE, UH, BUFFERING, UH, FROM THE, FROM THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE TO THE STATION.
UM, ALSO TO NOTE, UM, THE SURROUNDING AREA IS IN THE AGRICULTURAL RETENTION DISTRICT, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL USES.
IS THE, IS THE, UM, ANTI CUTT MULTI, IS THAT A SOLID FENCE FENCING? UH, IT'S A WAFFLE MESH THAT ACTUALLY IT HAS ABOUT A 75% OPACITY AND IT'S BLACK.
UH, MR. NOLL, UH, REVIEW, UH, NOTES IN HIS REVIEW LETTER, A COUPLE MORE, UH, VARIANCES THAT, UM, WE, THAT ARE NECESSARY, THE ONE OF WHICH FROM SECTION FOUR 10 BF TWO REQUIRES THAT ALL BUILDINGS IN THE HM DISTRICT BE SERVED BY PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
UH, AS NOTED PREVIOUSLY, WE ARE NOT IN A SEWER SERVICE AREA, SO WE ARE REQUESTING RELIEF AND NOW PROPOSING THE RELOCATION OF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM AND A NEW, UM, POTABLE, WELL, SECTION FOUR 10 BI ONE REQUIRES PROVISION OF OFF STREET LOADING, WHEREAS NO DESIGNATED LOADING AREA IS PROPOSED.
UH, WE ARE REQUESTING THIS RELIEF.
THERE IS, THERE IS NO NEED FOR ANY AREA DESIGNATED AREA FOR OFFLOAD, UM, OFFLOAD AREAS, UM, BASED ON THE OPERATIONS OF OUR SUBSTATION.
AND THEN LASTLY, UNDER SECTION FOUR 10 B ONE TWO REQUIRES AT LEAST ONE TRASH AND GARBAGE PICKUP LOCATION FOR EACH BUILDING.
UH, AS MR. GRAFF EXPLAINED, ANY OF PS G'S TECHNICIANS THAT VISIT THE SITE, WE HAD TO CARRY IN CARRY OUT POLICY.
SO THERE IS, UM, NO NEED FOR, UH, DESIGNATED TRASH AND GARBAGE PICKUP LOCATIONS, NOR DO WE HAVE EITHER PUBLIC OR PRIVATE HAULERS, UM, COMING TO THE SITE TO REMOVE ANY OF, UM, OUR TRASH.
UM, SO DESPITE COMPLIANCE WITH THE CONDITIONAL USE CRITERIA FOR PUBLIC UTILITIES, THERE ARE, UM, THE USE RELATED RESTRICTIONS IN PLACE PER THE PRIOR RESOLUTIONS, WHICH WE ARE REQUESTING TO BE MODIFIED OR, UH, REMOVED IN CONNECTION WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THIS IS WHAT MS. PORTER HAD EXPLAINED AT THE BEGINNING, THAT THERE ARE CONDITIONS IN THE 1995 RESOLUTIONS, UM, FOR WHICH WE ARE SEEKING RELIEF FROM THE BOARD, UM, THE CONDITION.
SO THAT APPLICATION REQUESTED MINOR SUBDIVISION CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL AND PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL, AND THEN THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL.
SO ONE OF THE CONDITIONS UNDER THE MI MINOR SITE PLAN APPROVAL STATES THAT THERE'LL BE NO PHYSICAL EXPANSION OF THE SUBSTATION WITHIN THE 12.2 ACRES.
THIS DOES NOT PRECLUDE MINOR CHANGES AND MINOR EXPANSION INTERNAL TO THE SUBSTATION AS PROPOSED WITHIN THE FENCED AREA.
AND THAT'S ON PAGE FIVE OF RESOLUTION 10 DASH 1995, CONDITIONS OF THE CONDITIONAL USE APPROVAL.
NOTE THAT THE APPLICANT AGREED NOT TO INCREASE THE SIZE OF THE PROPOSED POWER STATION BY THE ADDITION OF MORE TRANSFORMERS, WHICH WE ARE NOT PROPOSING IN THE FUTURE FOR ANY REASON, AND TO MAINTAIN STATE-OF-THE-ART TECHNOLOGY AT ALL TIMES WITH RESPECT TO THE OPERATION OF THE SUBSTATION.
AND THE CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN APPROVAL, AND THEN CONTINUE TO THE FINAL SITE PLAN APPROVAL REQUIRE PSUG TO DEEP RESTRICT THE AREA OUTSIDE OF DISTURBANCE IN ITS NATURAL STATE, AND SHALL NOT REMOVE EXISTING AND PROPOSED VEGETATION EXCEPT FOR MORE FOR NORMAL MAINTENANCE.
WHERE IS THAT IN THE NINE FIVE RESOLUTION? YOU'RE IN THE FINAL SITE PLAN RESOLUTION? YEAH, THE CONDITION OF THE PRELIMINARY SITE PLAN.
I BELIEVE THAT WOULD BE ON PAGE 11.
YOU'RE STILL IN THE NINE FOUR RESOLUTION.
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SO PSA AND G IS UNABLE TO MAINTAIN THE STATE OF THE ART EQUIPMENT AT ALL TIMES WITHOUT EXPANDING THE SUBSTATION AND BRINGING, UM, THE STATION INTO COMPLIANCE WITH OUR WORK VIOLATION THAT MR. GRAFF EXPLAINED IN, IN SUCH DETAIL.I WAS JUST TRYING TO IDENTIFY WHERE EXACTLY IN THE RESIDENCE.
UM, SO CIRCUMSTANCES HAVE CERTAINLY CHANGED SINCE 1995, WHICH HAS MADE IT NECESSARY FOR PSE AND G TO EXPAND THE STATE, THE STATION, AND TO CONTINUE TO PROVIDE THE RELIABLE ELECTRIC SERVICE TO ITS CUSTOMERS.
UM, THERE ARE SIGNIFICANTLY GREATER DEMANDS FOR ELECTRIC, INCLUDING THE INCREASE IN LOCAL AND REGIONAL, UM, POPULATION, THE INCREASE IN COMPUTERS, PERSONAL DEVICES, CELL PHONES.
UM, ALMOST EVERY SCHOOL AGED CHILD HAS THEIR OWN LAPTOP OR A COMPUTER, OR THE SCHOOL PROVIDES THEM, AND MANY OF THEM HAVE THEIR OWN CELL PHONES AS WELL AS THEIR PARENTS.
UH, THE INVENTION OF ELECTRIC VEHICLES AND MORE RECENTLY, THE INCREASED DEMAND IN DATA CENTERS.
SO A LOT HAS EVOLVED IN THE PAST 30 YEARS THAT, UH, NECESSITATES THE NEED TO INCREASE THE, OR EXPAND THIS SUBSTATION AND ALSO TO MEET THIS PARK VIOLATION.
UH, FURTHERMORE, UNDER THE 2019 STATE ENERGY MASTER PLAN AND ITS GOALS, SECTION FIVE 10 DISCUSSES PLANNING FOR AND IMPLEMENTATION OF NECESSARY DISTRIBUTION SYSTEMS, UH, TO HANDLE INCREASED ELECTRIFICATION AND INTEGRATION OF DIS DISTRIBUTED ENERGY RESOURCES.
UM, THE PROPERTY TO THE NORTH HAS SINCE BEEN DEVELOPED AS A RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION, AND ACCESS TO ROUTE 70 IS NO LONGER NECESSARY AS CONTEMPLATED IN THE 1995 AS POTENTIAL COMMERCIAL DEVELOPMENT.
UM, SO, UH, MY, AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, I BELIEVE THAT THE IMPACT OF THE PROPOSED EXPANSION IS DI MINIMIS, AND IT'S ALSO REQUIRED TO, FOR THE CONTINUED UTILIZATION OF THE SITE DUE TO THE CURRENT VIOLATIONS OF WORK STANDARDS AND REQUIREMENTS.
AS SUCH, WE ARE REQUESTING THAT THESE RESTRICTIONS, UM, BE REMOVED OR MODIFIED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THIS PROJECT.
AND THEN LASTLY, FOR THE TESTIMONY AS IT RELATES TO THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW, UH, SEEKING RELIEF FOR THE BULK VARIANCES, UH, OUR REQUEST CERTAINLY RELATES TO A SPECIFIC PIECE OF PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S BEEN DEVELOPED AS A SUBSTATION FOR THE ALMOST 30 YEARS, AND DUE TO THE CURRENT STATION CONFIGURATION, AS I PREVIOUSLY EXPLAINED, UM, WE NEED THE BULK RELIEF TO HAVE SOME OF THE EXISTING AND PROPOSED EQUIPMENT TO BE LOCATED IN THE FRONT YARD, AS WELL AS WITH A LOWER PROFILE CONTROL HOUSE THAT DOES NOT MEET THE ARCHITECTURAL REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE.
IN MY OPINION, I DON'T FIND, UM, THIS RELIEF TO BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC WITH REGARDS TO THE ADVANCEMENT OF A PURPOSE SET FORTH IN THE MUNICIPAL LAND USE LAW BY A DEVIATION FROM THE REQUIREMENTS OF THE ORDINANCE, UH, I'M SORRY, 40 55 D DASH TWO A DISCUSSES THE PROMOTION OF THE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY, AND GENERAL WELFARE.
THIS PROJECT WILL ENSURE THE CONTINUATION OF PROVISION OF SAFE AND RELIABLE ELECTRICAL SERVICE TO THE RESIDENTS, BUSINESSES, AND MUNICIPAL AND EMERGENCY SERVICES IN BEDFORD TOWNSHIP.
UH, ALSO, I BELIEVE THE PURPOSE UNDER 40 55 D TWO DASH J TO PROMOTE THE CONSERVATION OF OPEN SPACE, ENERGY, RESOURCES, AND VALUABLE NATURAL RESOURCES, AND TO PREVENT THE DEGRADATION OF THE ENVIRONMENT THROUGH IMPROPER USE OF LAND WOULD BE ADVANCED BY EXTEND EXPANDING THE EXISTING SUBSTATION.
PSEG IS MINIMIZING THE DEVELOPMENT OF OPEN SPACE AND IMPACTS TO EXISTING NATURAL RESOURCES AS AN ALTERNATIVE TO BUILDING A NEW SUBSTATION, WHICH WOULD REQUIRE A LARGER IMPACT, UM, THE LARGER FOOTPRINT OF DISTURBANCE THAN THE PROPOSED EXPANSION AT THE EXISTING STATION.
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A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER, I BELIEVE THAT THE VARIANCES CAN BE REQUESTED, EXCUSE ME, GRANTED, WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT TO THE PUBLIC GOOD, AND THAT THE BENEFIT, PUBLIC BENEFIT OF THE DEVIATIONS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT.THE BENEFITS CREATED BY THE EXPANSION OF THIS ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION GO DIRECTLY TO THE PUBLIC BY WAY OF PROVIDING SAFE AND ADEQUATE ELECTRICAL SUPPLY TO THEIR RESIDENTS AND BUSINESSES, UH, MUNICIPAL FACILITIES.
UH, IT'S MY OPINION THAT THESE VARIANCES WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT OR PURPOSE OF THE TOWNSHIP'S ZONE PLAN.
AND THAT CONCLUDES MY TESTIMONY.
IF ANYBODY HAS ANY WRAP UP QUESTIONS, I WOULD BE MORE THAN HAPPY TO TRY TO OBJECT.
DO I HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? I I HAVE A FEW.
MR. CHAIRMAN, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS DON'T, JUST TO CLARIFY A COUPLE POINTS IN OUR REPORT, UM, MS. HERRING, THERE, THERE'S NO NEW SITE SIGNAGE PROPOSED OUT ALONG ROUTE 70 AND ANY SIGNAGE WOULD BE INFORMATIONAL OR SAFETY SIGNAGE ON THE FENCING.
UM, THERE IS ONE SITE IDENTIFICATION SIGN THAT WOULD BE MOUNTED ON THE FRONT GATE, AND THAT GIVES THE P-A-C-M-G, UM, COORDINATES ADDRESS, UH, CONTACT AND THE NAME OF THE STATION.
AND THAT'S A REQUIRED SIGN YES.
AND THEN THERE ARE SAFETY SIGNS THAT ARE MOUNTED AROUND THE FENCE, UH, WARNING SIGNS OF A HOUSE, ELECTRICAL SUBSTATION.
UM, IF THERE ARE ANY EXISTING OR PROPOSED GENERATORS ON SITE, CAN THEY BE EXERCISED DURING DAYTIME HOURS ONLY? I CANNOT NOT.
HAVE MR. GRANT, OR YOU CAN REPRESENT IF YOU HAVE A NOD FROM MR. GRASS.
IS THAT, NO, THERE AREN'T MANY GENERATORS.
UM, WE HAD A COMMENT ABOUT THE BARBED WIRE, AND THAT WILL BE ELIMINATED.
THERE IS NO BARBED WIRE, THAT THERE IS NO BARBED WIRE, UH, THAT DETAIL, UM, SHOULD HAVE BEEN, WILL BE MODIFIED TO, UM, REMOVE THE REFERENCE TO ANY BARBED WIRES.
AND THEN TO CLARIFY ONE OTHER POINT THAT WE SORT OF TALKED ABOUT IN OUR TECHNICAL MEETING WITH A WEEK AGO, OUR REPORT IDENTIFIED A POTENTIAL WAIVER FOR A LIGHTING MAST THAT IS 70 FEET IN HEIGHT.
AND THERE WAS ALSO SOME TESTIMONY EARLIER, JUST TO CLARIFY, THAT IS A LIGHTNING MAST, UH, WHICH THERE ARE EXCEPTIONS IN OUR ORDINANCE TO ADDRESS CHURCH SPIRES ANTENNAS AND OTHER TYPES OF INFRASTRUCTURE.
WE BELIEVE THAT THIS LIGHTNING MASS WOULD FALL UNDER THAT EXCEPTION AND THAT THERE'S NO RELIEF REQUIRED FOR THAT.
UM, I THINK THE REST OF THE COMMENTS IN OUR REPORT HAVE ALREADY BEEN ADDRESSED, AND, UH, UNLESS THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE ANY QUESTIONS, I, THAT'S ALL WE HAVE.
MR. TERRY, YOU, YOU, UM, YOU IDENTIFIED THE BUFFERING, UH, WITH THE RESIDENTS, UM, UH, TO THE NORTH AS A POTENTIAL ISSUE.
DO YOU BELIEVE THAT THE 31 TREES THAT THEY'RE PLANTING COMPLETELY ADDRESSES THAT ISSUE? SO IT MAY NOT, AND IT'S DIFFICULT BECAUSE IN SOME OF THESE AREAS, THIS IS A MATURE DECIDUOUS WOODLAND, A LOT OF THOSE DON'T HAVE A SIGNIFICANT UNDERSTORY.
SO WHEN THAT AREA GETS CLEARED, AND THAT IS PROBABLY THE DISTANCE BETWEEN MS. BELL AND MYSELF, THERE MAY BE ONE TREE HERE AND ANOTHER TREE FURTHER AWAY, SO THAT THAT WILL PROVIDE A, A CERTAIN DEGREE.
IT MAY MAKE SENSE FOR THERE TO BE A NOTE ON THE PLANS THAT AFTER CLEARING AND CONSTRUCTION OF THE FACILITIES, THERE MAY BE A NEED TO EXTEND THE BUFFER IN EITHER DIRECTION TO MAXIMIZE THAT CONTINUOUS VISUAL SCREEN NECESSARY.
UM, AND THAT CAN BE DONE AGAIN IN THE FIELD AFTER CONSTRUCTION.
IF FIVE OR 10 ADDITIONAL TREES ARE NECESSARY, A NOTE CAN BE PUT ON THE PLANS.
YEAH, I MEAN, THAT'S, THAT'S MY BIGGEST CONCERN IS IT SEEMS LIKE IT'S HARD TO DETERMINE WHAT BUFFERING WILL BE NEEDED UNTIL AFTER THE CLEARING IS DONE.
AND I ACTUALLY HAD A NOTE TO MENTION THAT, AND I'M GLAD YOU RAISED IT, BUT THAT, THAT WOULD SORT OF SATISFY THE, THE, ANY CONCERNS OF NEIGHBORS OR THE BOARD OF WHETHER OR NOT THIS IS GONNA HAVE UNNECESSARY IMPACT OR WE'VE AT LEAST DONE WHATEVER WE CAN.
OBVIOUSLY THERE ARE TALL STRUCTURES OUT HERE THAT IT'S JUST PART OF OUR INFRASTRUCTURE.
UM, THE ONE, IF, IF THE BOARD LOOKS TO THAT, AND HOPEFULLY
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THAT WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO THE APPLICANT, THE PROVISION OF ADDITIONAL TREES WOULD THEN HAVE A NET REDUCTION IN THEIR REFORESTATION REQUIREMENT WHERE THE PAYMENT IN LIEU THEREOF.SO, AND, AND FROM EARLIER DISCUSSIONS WITH THE APPLICANT'S TEAM, THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THEY WOULD LIKE TO MAKE A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF, AND IS THAT THE DIRECTION? YES, THAT IS CORRECT.
SO WHAT, UNDERSTANDING THAT WE'RE STARTING AT 283 TREES AS A DEFICIT, IF IN THE FIELD ADDITIONAL TREES ARE REQUIRED, THAT WOULD THEN REDUCE THAT.
SO IT, IT MAY MAKE SENSE FROM A TIMING STANDPOINT FOR THAT PAYMENT IN LIEU TO HAPPEN AFTER CONSTRUCTION IS COMPLETED, BUT PRIOR TO THE ISSUANCE OF A CO OR BOND RELEASE OR SOME, UH, MECHANISM.
SO, SO, SO BASICALLY WE WILL BE NOTING SOMETHING ON THIS APPROVAL THAT ADDITIONAL BUFFERING MAY BE REQUIRED AFTER, BEFORE THE YEAH, WE USUALLY, WHEN WE DO THAT, THERE'S USUALLY A LARGE NOTE PUT ON THE PLAN THAT SAYS, BASED UPON THE FI, FINAL CLEARING CONSTRUCTION AND PRESENCE OF EXISTING VEGETATION, UH, ADDITIONAL PLANT BUFFER PLANTINGS WILL BE PROVIDED AS DETERMINED NECESSARY BY THE TOWNSHIP STAFF.
AND WE CAN ABSOLUTELY AGREE TO THAT CONDITION AND TO REEVALUATE THE, THE BUFFERING AND THE NEED FOR ADDITIONAL PLANTINGS THROUGH THE CHAIR.
UM, I'M USED TO CARRY AND CARRY OUT FOR PARKS.
OSHA HAS REQUIREMENTS WITH REGARD TO RECEPTABLE FOR BATHROOMS. I DON'T KNOW IF YOU'RE EXEMPT FROM OSHA.
I'M JUST CURIOUS HOW YOU'RE GONNA HANDLE THAT.
UM, THEY, THEY HAVE GARBAGE BAGS WITH THEM THAT THEY, I MEAN, THEY, THEY TYPICALLY, THEY ARE, UM, MOBILE TECHNICIANS THAT COME IN FOR A COUPLE OF HOURS.
SO IF THERE'S, IF THERE'S ANY, UM, DEBRIS OR ANY WASTE MATERIAL, UM, THEY, THEY BRING IT WITH THEM.
EVEN THOUGH THERE MIGHT BE A TRASH RECEPTACLE, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR REMOVING ANY, UH, GARBAGE OR ANY, UH, RECYCLABLE MATERIAL THAT THEY BRING ON OR GENERATE WHEN THEY'RE THERE.
QUESTION BACK ON THE TREES AND THE BUFFERING.
SO WE HAVE THE DEFICIENCY, YOU KNOW, WE'LL NAIL DOWN THE EXACT NUMBER ONCE WE'RE DONE, THE FINAL APPROVAL FOR ADEQUATE BUFFERING.
DOES, DOES THE NEIGHBOR, THE RESIDENTIAL NEIGHBOR TO THE NORTH, HAVE ANY INPUT ON THAT? NO, GENERALLY NOT.
GENERALLY THAT, THAT CALL IS MADE BY THE TOWNSHIP STAFF.
PROFESSIONALS, MR. GOLD'S OFFICE.
WE WOULD CALL MR. TAYLOR ORAL TO TAKE A LOOK AT IT.
ISN'T THERE STILL ON THE ONE PICTURE THOUGH, A LOT OF STILL WOODS.
IT'S HARD ON THIS ONE, BUT ON THAT ONE, ONE, CAN WE LOOK AT THE COLORED DO HAVE ONE, THE GREEN COLORED VERSION? UH, NO, THE, THE BACKSIDE, I BELIEVE OF ONE OF THEM.
THE NEIGHBOR, EVEN WITH YOUR DISTURBANCE IS STILL PRETTY FAR AWAY, RIGHT? MR. TAYLOR? WELL, THAT'S 40 FEET, CORRECT.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE PRESERVING ABOUT 20 FEET OF EXISTING WOODLAND ON THEIR PROPERTY.
AND JUST ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE PROPERTY LINE, THE NEIGHBOR HAS A, A ROW OF EVERGREEN TREES PLANTED THERE.
UM, SO IT IS, YOU KNOW, 30 OR 40 FEET AGAIN, SOME OF THAT MATURE WOODLAND, WHICH IS LESS THAN THE WIDTH OF THIS ROOM.
SO THERE MAY BE SOME BENEFIT TO GETTING SOME ADDITIONAL TREES IN THERE THAT WILL MATURE OVER TIME EVER EVERGREEN TREES.
PREDOMINANTLY EVERGREEN TREES.
AND, AND, AND TO CLARIFY FIRST, SO, SO THE, THE, THE, THE RESIDENT WOULDN'T HAVE THEM INPUT INTO IT, BUT BASICALLY YOU WOULD BE MAKING THE CALL THAT, OKAY, THIS IS WHAT WE NEED FOR THE RESIDENT TO NOT BE ABLE TO SEE THE SUBSTATION.
UM, NOTHING THAT WE DO WILL NECESSARILY MAKE IT SO THE RESIDENT CAN'T SEE THE SUBSTATION.
SO THE JOB IS TO TRY TO FILTER THAT AND SCREEN THE VIEWS OF THAT AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE.
BUT DUE TO THE NATURE OF THE SIZE OF THE STRUCTURES AND EVERYTHING ELSE, THE STRUCTURE WILL BE SOMEWHAT VISIBLE, ESPECIALLY IN THE UPPER, IN THE UPPER LEVELS.
IS THE, IS THE STRUCTURE VISIBLE TODAY OR ARE THESE GONNA BE CHANGES? SO I THINK WE'VE ALL PROBABLY DRIVEN BY IT A HUNDRED TIMES.
AND UNLESS YOU TURN YOUR HEAD SIDEWAYS AND SPECIFICALLY LOOK BETWEEN SOME OF THE GAPS OF THOSE MATURE TREES, YOU REALLY DON'T NOTICE IT.
BUT I MEAN, IS IT GETTING HIGHER? ARE THERE, ARE THERE THINGS BEING THE INFRASTRUCTURE, ARE THERE THINGS THAT ARE BEING BUILT THAT ARE HIGHER THAN WHAT EXISTS TODAY?
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THE, THE EXPANSION, THIS, THE RING BUS, THAT EQUIPMENT IS TYPICALLY RANGES BETWEEN 25, 23 TO 25 FEET.UM, AND THEN THERE'S, THERE'S THE SURROUNDING DECIDUOUS TREES, WHICH ARE ANYWHERE, I DON'T KNOW, BETWEEN 40 AND SOMETIMES 60 FEET HIGH, ALTHOUGH THEY ARE DECIDUOUS.
SO I'D SAY SIX MONTHS OUT OF THE YEAR, THE VEGETATION ON THE TREES WILL BE BLOCKING.
UM, AND I ALSO MEASURED ON GOOGLE EARTH THAT THE CLOSEST RESIDENT IS OVER 400 FEET AWAY.
UM, AND THEN THE HOME IS FORMED.
THE, THE HOME I, I'VE ACTUALLY MEASURED IT FROM THE CONTROL HOUSE TO THE RESIDENT IS OVER 400 FEET AWAY BUILDING NOT THE PROPERTY LINE, THE BUILDING WHERE THEY LIVE, PHYSICAL BUILDING TO BUILDING WAS OVER 400 FEET IN BETWEEN THE HOUSE.
AND THIS PROPERTY IS A DRAINAGE DITCH, WHICH CAN'T BE BUILT ON.
SO NOT ONLY DO YOU HAVE A DISTANCE TO THE HOME, YOU HAVE A DRAINAGE DITCH THAT WILL REMAIN THERE AND NOT, SO YOU CAN'T BUILD THAT HOUSE ANY CLOSER AT THIS POINT IN TIME.
I THINK THAT'S THE RESTRICTED, THAT DRAIN DRAINAGE DITCH FROM THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS BUILT THERE JUST AFTER THE SUBSTATION WENT IN.
COULD THERE BE CONCESSIONS GIVEN AS IF WE'RE RECEIVING A PAYMENT IN LIEU OF AGITATION BEING REPLACED, THAT IF THE RESIDENT WE'RE, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT ONE RESIDENT AT THIS POINT, LIKE ONE HOUSE MIGHT HAVE A VISUAL, MIGHT THEY, THEY, YOU MIGHT BE ABLE TO TODAY BECAUSE OF HOW MUCH BUFFERING THERE IS NOT SEE THE SUBSTATION FROM GROUND LEVEL, BUT BASED OFF THE CLEARING, THERE COULD BE AN OPPORTUNITY WHERE THERE'S TIMES OF THE YEAR WHERE THEY COULD, IS THERE ANY WAY FOR US TO PROVIDE THAT RESIDENT RELIEF? UM, TYPICALLY WHAT HAPPENS, WE, WE CAN ASK, THE HARD PART IS IF THERE IS SORT OF CAR BLANC, GIVEN THAT WILL YOU DO EVERYTHING NECESSARY TO MAKE THE RESIDENT HAPPY, THAT PUTS THE APPLICANT IN AN ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE SITUATION TO OPEN THEIR, THEIR FACILITY.
UM, WE COULD REQUEST THAT THE, UM, EITHER AT THE PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING, UH, THAT PSE AND G REACH OUT AND AT LEAST HAVE A DISCUSSION WITH THAT APPLICANT.
THE OTHER THING THAT WE FIND A LOT OF TIMES IS IF THE CONSTRUCTION IS UNDERWAY, THOSE RESIDENTS TYPICALLY SHOW UP AT TOWN HALL, IN WHICH CASE, MR. NOEL'S OFFICE, OUR OFFICE WOULD BE MADE AWARE OF IT AND THEN CA CAN TAKE SPECIAL NOTE OF IT.
BUT MAKING THEM, I GUESS, A PARTY TO THE RESOLUTION AS PART OF AN OBLIGATION CAN BECOME, CAN BECOME PROBLEMATIC.
BUT WE'RE, I THINK THE BOARD IS RELYING ON YOU TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WILL BE DONE.
JUST, JUST SCREAMING WITH THE BEST INTEREST OF THOSE NEIGHBORS, WHICH IS WHY WE IDENTIFIED IT YEAH.
AND TOUCHING ON THAT WITH REGARD TO THE 70 FOOT HIGHLIGHTING AS OPPOSED TO THE 15, WHERE IS THAT GOING TO HAVE AN IMPACT? IS IT TOWARDS THE REAR WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE IS AND HAS THAT BEEN TA HAVE YOU, ARE YOU SATISFIED WITH THE TESTIMONY? YEAH, AND AGAIN, THAT'S JUST A LIGHTNING ROD AND NOT A LIGHTING POLE.
THEY, AND THEIR TESTIMONY ON ALL THE LIGHTING WAS ANY OF THE UPLIGHTING IS ON, IS SWITCH OPERATED ONLY AS NECESSARY FOR A MAINTENANCE OVERNIGHT OR AN EMERGENCY SITUATIONS.
THE REMAINDER OF THEIR LIGHTS ARE DOWN AND DROPPED TO 20% OVERNIGHT FOR MINIMUM SECURITY.
AND THEN ON MOTION SENSORS TO GO BACK UP, THEY AGREED TO DO ALL 3000 DEGREE KELVIN LIGHTS AS IDENTIFIED IN OUR REPORT.
THEY WILL ALL BE FULL CUTOFF TO THE EXTENT POSSIBLE.
SO IT, IT IS REALLY A MINIMAL LEVEL OF, UH, LIGHTING TO MINIMIZE THOSE IMPACTS TO WILDLIFE AND THOSE ADJACENT NEIGHBORS.
AND, AND THE 70 FOOT TALL LIGHTNING ROD IS JUST WHAT IT SOUNDS LIKE, A 70 FOOT TALL TOOTHPICK, BASICALLY, UH, MR. TAYLOR, I, I JUST WANTED TO CLARIFY ABOUT THE 3000 VERSUS 4,000.
UM, I, I THINK WE STILL NEED TO HAVE A DISCUSSION WHETHER OR NOT PSCG STANDARDS WILL ALLOW THE REDUCTION FROM THE WARMTH.
WE CAN DO THE LIGHTING LEVEL, BUT NOT THE WARMTH FROM THE 4,000 TO THE 3000.
SO THEY DO NOT PERMIT IT OR YOU'LL DO 3000 UNLESS PSE AND G WILL NOT PERMIT THAT.
I WOULD HAVE TO ASK MR. GRAFF TO HELP OUR EYE.
UM, THE USE OF 4,000, UH, IS OUR SECURITY STANDARDS AND OUR SAFETY STANDARDS.
THEY DID NOT APPROVE THE USE OF THE LIGHTS.
UM, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DISCUSS AND THAT WE CAN
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DO ONLY, UM, IS, IS ACTIVE.UM, WE CAN CHANGE 20%, UM, UH, THE 20% DING TO MAKE IT CORRECT OR LIGHTER.
AND THAT NEED TO BE DONE IF WE WANT, UM, NIGHT SITE TO SEE IF THERE'S ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHT WE WANNA MAKE, WE CAN ADJUST IT.
UM, BUT MG SAFETY AND SECURITY STANDARDS DON'T ALLOW US TO USE THE VEHICLE.
IF, IF IT CAN BE DARKER THAN 20%, I THINK WE WOULD WANT IT TO BE DARKER THAN 20%.
AND THAT IS SOMETHING THAT WE HAVE DONE ON TOWNSHIPS WHERE THEY REQUEST SOME TOWNSHIPS, REQUEST IT TO BE A LITTLE BIT FOR SAFETY REASONS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THAT'S, THAT'S, WELL IN TERMS OF SAFETY REASONS, THERE'S NOBODY ON THERE EXCEPT FOR P AND G AND G STAFF.
SAFETY REASONS WITHIN SUBSTATION? MM-HMM.
I, I, SORRY, I MIGHT HAVE MISSPOKE.
CERTAIN TOWNSHIPS, LIKE SOME, SOME LEVELNESS ONE, OUR STATION OF SECURITY REASONS THERE ARE CONCERNED WITH PEOPLE GOING OFF THE SITE WHO ALLOWS THEIR POLICE OFFICERS TO SEE INTO THE STATION THE THE LIGHTS ARE MOTION CONTROLLED.
SO THEY, YEAH,
SINCE THEY'RE MOTION CONTROLLED, WHY COULDN'T THEY GO OFF? WE CAN, UM, WHY, WHY COULDN'T THEY GO TO ZERO WHEN NOBODY'S ON THE SITE? SO THE ONLY REASON THAT WE DON'T GO TO, TO ZERO ZERO WHEN NOBODY'S ON SITE IS BECAUSE WE STILL DO LIKE TO SEE WITHIN INTO THE STATION.
LIKE I SAID, IF, IF HEAVEN FORBID, THERE IS A MASSIVE FAULT WHEN WE DO ALARM WHEN GOING OUT IN THE MORNING, THEY WANNA BE ABLE TO SEE IN THE STATION IF WE HAVE BUS WORK ON THE GROUND OR THERE IS A CATASTROPHIC FAILURE, THEN OPENING UP THE GATE AND MOVING INTO THE SUBSTATION WHEN THERE IS A CATA.
CATASTROPHIC FAILURE COULD BE, UM, SAFETY HAZARD.
SO US BEING ABLE TO IDENTIFY THAT ON THAT SIDE OF THE STATION, IT'S WHY WE, BUT LIKE I SAID, WE, WE HAVE MADE CONCESSIONS WITH THAT, UM, IN THE PAST PROJECTS, UM, YOU KNOW, IF WE WANNA GO, WE WANNA GO ZERO.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT I CAN WORK WITH THERE.
UM, IT'S JUST, AGAIN, REALLY OUR REQUEST THERE WAS 12%, WHAT'S THE CURRENT PERCENTAGE AND KELVIN RATING OF THE SUBSTATION THAT'S THERE NOW.
BUT CURRENTLY RIGHT NOW, UM, SUBSTATION LINES ARE ALWAYS ON.
THEY ARE NOT ON MOTION SENSORS.
SOMETHING THAT G STARTED DOING RECENTLY, WITHIN THE LAST FOUR OR FIVE YEARS OR SO, UM, THE STATION'S STILL OPERATING FOR OUR OLD STANDARDS.
UH, SO WE DO HAVE LIGHTING THERE AND I DUNNO HEAD WHAT THE EXISTING LIGHTING IS, BUT WE WOULD PRESUME THAT THIS WOULD BE DIMMER THAN THE CURRENT LIGHTING.
AND LIKE I SAID, THIS IS NOT SUBJECT.
WE, WE DO THIS IN KNOW, HIKING THIS A LOT, THE TOWNSHIPS AS WE WALK THROUGH THE SITE POST CONSTRUCTION, WHEN WE LOOK AT, UH, LANDSCAPING, THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE TYPICALLY DO.
AND AGAIN, IF THERE'S ANY CONCERN, GLARE OR BRIGHT, WE DO, UM, YOU KNOW, DARK AND WE CAN PARK THOSE UP, PULL WALK AROUND.
AND YOU KNOW, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT, UM, WE TRY TO BE AS FLEXIBLE ON THIS.
SO I WOULD SUGGEST A, A NIGHTLIGHT TEST, UH, WITH THE TOWNSHIP AND P-S-E-M-G TO COME TO A, UH, REASONABLE LIGHTNING LEVEL AT NIGHT.
SO THAT, SO THAT WOULD BE, THAT WOULD BE A CONTINGENCY ON THE FINAL APPROVAL.
AND JUST TO ADDRESS YOUR QUESTION, I DID, UM, GET CONFIRMATION.
SO IS THE THOUSAND OKAY, AT A HUNDRED PERCENT, THAT'S AT HUNDRED PERCENT CORRECT? YES.
UM, SO, UM, MR. G GRAFF, I'M SORRY, IS THAT HOW YOU PRONOUNCE YOUR NAME? YES.
YOU HAD REFERENCED THE SIGNIFICANCE OF THIS PROJECT IN CONJUNCTION WITH ANOTHER PROJECT DOWN BY THE WAWA.
SO THERE IS A, UM, SO THIS PROJECT IS ACTUALLY PART OF A, A LARGER PROJECT.
THERE ARE THREE OTHER SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED.
WE ARE, WELL, I'M SORRY, TWO OTHER SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE BEING MODIFIED.
WE'RE CONSTRUCTING ONE NEW SWITCHING STATION ALL TO SUPPORT MEDFORD SUBSTATION.
UM, BUT YES, THERE IS GONNA BE A, A EXISTING, A NEW SUBSTATION.
IT'S UM, IS THAT AN APPLICATION YOU'LL PUT IN THROUGH MEDFORD OR IS THAT ANOTHER TOWNSHIP? THAT IS, THAT IS ANOTHER TOWN.
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RECEIVE APPROVAL FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OR THE MODIFICATION OF THIS SITE, WHAT WOULD BE THE, IT'S A TWO YEAR CONSTRUCTION BUILD IS WHAT YOU'RE PLANNING FOR.IS THERE ANY DOWNTIME AND EFFECTS TO YOUR CUSTOMERS DURING THAT TIME? NO.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY DOWNTIME.
UM, IT'S ACTUALLY WHERE OUR PCG REQUIREMENTS, UM, WHICH IS A BIG PART OF WHY THE STATION LAYOUT IS THE WAY IT'S, WE MUST MAINTAIN, UM, FULL EFFICIENCY OF OUR SUBSTATION DURING CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE USE OUTAGES AND I WANT TO USE THAT TERM, UM, KIND OF LIBERAL WHEN I, I SAY OUTAGES, WE'RE TAKING INDIVIDUAL COMPONENTS WITHIN THE SUBSTATION NOW, BUT THE FEEDERS THAT ARE GOING OUT TO OUR RESIDENCE ARE NOT CHANGED.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY OBJECTS ON ANY OF OUR CUSTOMERS.
JUST LOCALIZED EQUIPMENT WITHIN THE SUBSTATION.
AND THERE WAS THE QUESTION ABOUT IF THERE WERE GENERATORS, WHAT WOULD BE THE TIME OF THEM, BUT JUST IN GENERAL CONSTRUCTION.
SO IF YOU COULD IMAGINE, YOU KNOW, WE'RE SOMEWHAT CONCERNED ABOUT THE IMPACT TO THE RESIDENTS.
UM, A TWO YEAR PROJECT IN SOMEONE'S POTENTIALLY, YOU KNOW, THEIR BACKYARD, WHAT'S, WHAT'S THE TIMEFRAME DURING THE BUSINESS HOURS OF YOUR CONSTRUCTION PHASE? SO IS IT LIKE MONDAY THROUGH FRIDAY, NINE TO FIVE? YEP.
SO, SO WE ALWAYS PLAN TO DO ALL OF OUR CONSTRUCTION, UM, WEEKDAYS.
UM, WE DO NOT HAVE ANY CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITIES OUT HERE ON FOR THIS SPECIFIC SITE THAT WOULD HAVE TO HAPPEN AT NIGHT.
UM, WE, WE'LL WORK WITHIN THE ORDINANCES.
THAT'S SOMETHING THAT WE SCHEDULE FOR.
UM, AND ONE NOTE, AND I, I APOLOGIZE, I SHOULD HAVE MENTIONED THIS.
WE DO HAVE TWO PEOPLE IN THE BACK OF THE ROOM.
UM, ONE OF IS OUR REGIONAL OUTREACH PERSON AND ONE OF THEM IS OUR OUTREACH PERSON.
SO PSG DOES HAVE PERSONNEL AVAILABLE.
WE DO NOTICE ALL, ALL THE CUSTOMERS AND RESIDENTS IN THE AREA, THEY HAVE HER CONTACT INFORMATION DIRECTLY.
SO IF AT ANY POINT DURING CONSTRUCTION WE DO HAVE ISSUES, THEY WILL GO TO HER, SHE WILL COME TO ME AND WE WILL WORK WITH THE RESIDENT TO RESOLVE AND, AND SHE'S THE DIRECT POINT OF CONTACT FOR THE RESIDENCE.
SO WE HAVE ONE PERSON, YES, WE HAVE A PERSON WHO'S DIRECTLY ON CONTACT.
WE ALSO DO HAVE A, UM, PHONE NUMBER, UM, WHICH IF A RESIDENT WANTS TO CALL AND LEAVE A VOICEMAIL, UM, THEY CAN DO THAT.
BUT THAT WILL EVENTUALLY BE WRAPPED ON THE
CAN WE INTRODUCE HER JUST SO WE HAVE HER NAME FOR THE RECORD? NO, NOT CAN BE OFFERING TESTIMONY.
HELLO, MY NAME IS DONELLA COLLISON AND I'M THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS SPECIALIST ON THIS PROJECT.
WE'LL JUST INTRODUCE MY GOOD EVENING.
MY NAME IS KAREN FRYER AND I'M THE PUBLIC AFFAIRS MANAGER, UH, REGIONAL PUBLIC AFFAIRS.
UH, AND WE'LL BE 24 7 IN TERMS OF ANY COMPLAINTS, UH, TO FILL DIRECTLY WITH CUSTOMERS.
AND HOW WOULD THE CUSTOMERS CONTACT THEM? SO WE DO HAVE A DEDICATED HOTLINE THAT THEY CAN JUST CALL AND I WILL RESPOND TO THEM PERSONALLY.
I WILL REACH OUT AND FIGURE OUT WHAT THE ISSUE IS AND THEN DIRECT THAT BACK TO THE PROJECT TEAM AND WE'LL WORK TOGETHER TO SOLVE THAT PROBLEM.
WHAT'S THE CONTACT NUMBER? SURE, I CAN PULL IT UP.
SO JUST PULLING, PULLING THAT OUT, THAT CONTACT NUMBER.
UM, WE'LL SHARE THAT WITH THE RESIDENTS.
WE TYPICALLY PUT DOOR HANGERS OUT ON THEIR DOORS PRIOR TO START CONSTRUCTION.
UM, WE ALSO SEND LETTERS OUT TO LET THEM KNOW WHEN GOING TO START CONSTRUCTION AND IF WE HAVE ANY ACTIVITIES THAT WE NOISY, UM, ANYTHING GOING ON.
WE TYPICALLY LIKE TO LET OUR RESIDENTS KNOW ADVANCE, YOU KNOW, WE DID THIS JUST A FEW DAYS, BUT ALL THOSE, UM, COMMUNICATIONS THAT WE GO ON ALSO HAVE THAT NUMBER.
SO THAT DEDICATED HOTLINE NUMBER IS 1-800-606-ZERO 0 4 5 PRIOR TO CONSTRUCTION START, WE HAVE A PRE-CONSTRUCTION MEETING AND WE GO OVER ALL THESE ISSUES AT THAT TIME.
AND I'M SURE PSE AND G WILL HAVE, I DON'T KNOW FOR SURE, JUST AS MANY PEOPLE, BUT I'M
AND WE MAKE SURE WE GO OVER THE WORK HOURS NOTIFICATION OF RESIDENCE, NOISE COMPLAINTS, ALL THAT TYPE OF THING.
IF THERE'S, I, WE DON'T KNOW IF THERE'S COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC YET.
BUT I CAN IMAGINE IF THERE'S NOT, AND SOMEONE HEARS OF THIS PROJECT AT A LATER TIME AFTER POTENTIAL APPROVAL, THEY NEED TO KNOW, YOU KNOW, REFER BACK TO THIS VIDEO, HAVE THE CONTACT INFORMATION FOR THE YOUNG LADIES THAT STOOD UP, WHICH I APPRECIATE THEM BEING HERE.
THAT'S WHAT STATED A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW WHAT CONSTRUCTION'S GONNA HAPPEN HAPPEN UNTIL IT HAPPENS.
WILL THERE BE ANY PRO IMPROVEMENTS TO THE ACCESS ROAD FROM ROUTE 70? THE ACTUAL ROAD OR EGRESS IN AND OUT? SO THE AC ACTUAL ACCESS
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ROAD, UM, THERE WAS NO PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS.IT'S ACTUALLY IN REALLY GOOD SHAPE.
UM, WHAT WE'LL BE DOING, AND JUST SO YOU'RE AWARE, WE'RE GONNA BE TAKING PICTURES BOTH PRE AND POST CONSTRUCTION, DOING PRE AND POST CONSTRUCTION, UM, WALKTHROUGHS AND YOU KNOW, WITH CONSTRUCTION ACTIVITY, SOMETIMES THERE IS DAMAGE ASPHALT AND WE'LL BE REPAIRING THAT AND THAT'S SOMETHING THAT OUR PROFESSIONALS WILL REVIEW.
UM, AND THIS IS A GENERAL QUESTION, BUT I I'M VERY INTERESTED.
SO THIS INITIAL SITE WAS DEVELOPED IN 95, CORRECT.
I'M ASSUMING IT TOOK SOME PERIOD OF TIME TO BUILD RIGHT.
UM, WE'RE NOW 30 YEARS LATER AND IT NEEDS TO BE IMPROVED ONCE AGAIN.
SO WHAT IS THE PROJECTED USABLE LIFE OF THIS VERSION OF THE SITE? UM, SO THAT'S A GOOD QUESTION.
UM, SO TYPICALLY, I MEAN, WE HAVE 30 YEARS THERE.
UM, THE RING BUS, UH, DISCONNECT, WHICH IS EVERYTHING THAT WE SEE OVER HERE AS PER EXPANSION.
UM, WE WOULD EXPECT 30 YEARS IF NOT MORE OUT OF THAT.
OBVIOUSLY NEWER EQUIPMENT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW LONG ACTUALLY LASTS.
UM, WE DON'T HAVE ANY SYSTEM OF THIS, THE NEWER CALIBER LAST 30 YEARS, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE ANTICIPATE.
UM, TWO CAVINGS NOTE, WE DO HAVE A EXI, UM, A SWITCH GEAR, WHICH IS LOCATED HERE, THAT WAS PREVIOUSLY INSTALLED, THAT WAS NOT INSTALLED BACK IN 95.
UM, IT WAS INSTALLED ROUGHLY 10 YEARS AGO.
UM, ANTICIPATE, AGAIN, WE'RE HOPING TO GET 30 YEARS OUT OF THAT.
WE DO HAVE TWO EXISTING TRANSFORMERS.
UM, ONE OF THESE TRANSFORMERS WAS INSTALLED, UM, ABOUT EIGHT YEARS AGO, IF I REMEMBER CORRECTLY.
SO WE SHOULDN'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THAT.
THE ONE EXISTING TRANSFORMER THAT WE HAVE, UM, IS PROPERTY TWO WITH THE NEXT 10 YEARS OR SO TO BE REPLACED.
UM, THAT'S NOT ON OF PSGS 10 YEARS PLAN.
THAT'S NOT REALLY ON OUR, OUR, OUR OUR RECORD YET.
BUT IF INDEED WE DO HAVE TO REPLACE THAT UNIT, THAT WON'T BE A FULL CONSTRUCTION PROJECT THAT'S GONNA BE SWAPPING THIS UNIT OUT.
SO I, MY QUESTION WAS MORE ON THE, THE SITE IMPROVEMENT.
SO THIS IS, I DON'T CALL IT SIGNIFICANT, IT'S, IT'S A, IT'S A MUCH LARGER SITE THAN IT'S CURRENTLY IN ITS CURRENT FORM.
SO MY CONCERN WOULD BE HOW LONG DO WE FEEL THAT THIS SITE WILL LAST? AND IF THE TESTIMONY IS THE APPROXIMATELY 30 MORE YEARS THAT YES.
AND I'M GONNA SAY IT'S COMPLETE TAN.
UM, THAT'S A QUESTION THAT I DON'T THINK ANYBODY AT PG WOULD BE FULLY ANSWER.
UM, I'LL SAY, UM, LIKE I SAID, THIS, THIS PROJECT'S BEING DONE TO SUPPORT BY FOR SUBSTATION.
WE'VE IDENTIFIED TWO OTHER SUBSTATIONS THAT ARE BEING ALTERED IN NEW SUBSTATION, BE FROM THE SUBSTATION.
UM, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF ROOM THAT WE HAVE LEFT ON THIS SITE, UM, FOR US TO TYPE OF EXPANSION.
ONE, TWO, UM, I KNOW I SAID NOT SEEN ANYONE FIVE OR 10 YEARS OLD PERSONALLY.
UM, AGAIN, I DON'T HAVE A FORTUNE.
I I DON'T THINK ANYBODY CAN TELL THE CHANGING CLIMATE THAT WE HAVE.
UM, I PERSONALLY WOULD ANTICIPATE THAT THIS WOULD BE PROBABLY 20 OR 30 YEARS WE COME BACK IN FRONT OF YOU.
UM, BUT THAT'S, IT'S KIND OF, YEAH, I I IT'S GONNA BE SUBJECTIVE.
I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION, BUT IT'S NOT TWO YEARS EITHER.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE DONE IN TWO YEARS AND YOU'RE NOT COMING BACK TWO YEARS AFTER THAT FOR MORE IMPROVEMENTS.
WE HAVE A FEW DECADES HERE TO HOPEFULLY TO UTILIZE THIS VERSION IF APPROVED.
WE'LL BE HERE ABOUT WHEN THEY'RE BACK.
MAYBE
I JUST HAVE, I I HAVE ONE QUESTION FOR MR. NOEL.
YOU, YOU MENTIONED IN YOUR REPORT SOME DIELECTRIC SEEPAGE OUT OF THE TRANSFORMERS.
I WAS GONNA GO THROUGH MY REPORT WHEN THE CHAIRMAN OH, SUPER RECOGNIZED.
SO MY, MY REPORT DATED JULY 11TH.
UH, ALMOST ALL OF MY QUESTIONS HAVE BEEN ANSWERED THROUGH THE TESTIMONY AND THEY'VE AGREED TO, UH, THE OTHER COMMENTS.
WERE YOU GOOD WITH THE SUBMISSION WAIVERS, BY THE WAY, CHRIS? THAT'S, I'M GETTING TO THAT.
I'M JUST EXACTLY WHAT I'M, THE BOARD PASSED.
WE WOULD'VE COVERED THAT FIRST.
SO THERE'S A NUMBER OF SUBMISSION WAIVERS THAT ARE NECESSARY.
I RECOMMENDED ALL OF THEM SUBJECT TO SOME TESTIMONY WE WE RECEIVED AND,
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UH, JUST THAT THEY'RE MINOR.SO THAT THE BOARD REALLY SHOULD APPROVE THOSE SUBMISSION WAIVERS FIRST TO MAKE THE APPLICATION COMPLETE.
AND THEN YOU COULD START THE HEARING, BUT WE'VE ALREADY WE'RE PASSED THAT.
DO WE NEED TO APPROVE 'EM NOW? YES, I THINK YOU SHOULD.
SO CHRIS, I THINK THE WAY YOU WORDED IT IN YOUR REVIEW LETTER, YOU, YOU RECOMMENDED THEM, BUT THERE WERE ALSO SOME OTHER, THEY'RE ALL RECOMMENDED AND UH, ONE WAS SUBJECT TO TESTIMONY, WHICH I'VE RECEIVED, WE'VE RECEIVED ON FOR THAT.
UM, SO IS THAT, WAS THAT APPROVED THAT MOTION? YES, IT WAS DONE.
LET'S SEE IF WE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE.
UM, ON THE WAIVER FOR THE WATER AND SEWER HOOK UP, PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER.
THE PREVIOUS SITE WAS GIVEN THE SAME WAIVER AND IT'S NOT PHYSICALLY POSSIBLE FROM THE HOOK UP TO PUBLIC WATER AND SEWER AND THEIR USAGE IS MINIMAL ANYWAY.
UM, ON THE ENVIRONMENTAL ISSUES WE HAD ASKED FOR, UH, TWO OR THREE AREAS TO BE SAMPLED, I ASSUMING, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S ACCEPTABLE AT THIS POINT.
WE HAD ASKED FOR SOIL SAMPLES, A COUPLE CONCRETE PADS THAT HAD STAINING GRAVEL NEXT TO IT, UM, FOR DIELECTRIC FLUID AND THEN ALSO FOR THE SEPTIC SYSTEM.
AND, UH, SO WE HAD ASKED FOR SOIL SAMPLES ON THOSE THREE LOCATIONS.
THE REST OF THE RECOMMENDATIONS FROM THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL REPORT, WE, UH, WE AGREED WITH THE RECOMMENDATIONS.
AND THEN, UH, REGARDING THE, UH, DISCUSSION ON THE FOUR, UM, CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS, IF YOU COULD JUST PROVIDE A KIND OF MINI SITE PLAN ON WHAT THE LAYOUT IS AND HOW THEY'RE GONNA BE SITUATED SO THAT WE MAKE SURE PEOPLE CAN GET IT IN AND OUT, WHICH I'M SURE YOU WILL.
BUT IF WE COULD JUST HAVE THAT SO WE, MY INSPECTOR KNOWS WHERE THEY'RE GONNA GO.
IT JUST SAYS FOUR TRAILER IS TYPICAL.
THERE IS, IT'S VERY KIND OF HARD TO SIT HERE, BUT I DON'T THINK THERE'S A PARTICULAR LAYOUT IS THERE? YEAH, THEY'RE LAYOUT RIGHT HERE, HERE, HERE.
AND IF YOU NEED A BLOW UP OF THAT AREA, YEAH, IT'D BE NICE TO HAVE A YEAH.
'CAUSE THEY'RE, IT'S HARD TO SEE THAT.
THAT'S ALL I HAD, MR. CHAIRMAN.
MR. CHAIRMAN, JUST ONE OTHER POINT OF CLARIFICATION.
THEY MENTIONED THE NEED FOR THE CONSTRUCTION TRAILERS FOR A TWO YEAR PERIOD.
I THINK IT WOULD BE GOOD TO IDENTIFY WHEN THAT TWO YEAR PERIOD BEGINS.
IS THAT FROM THE START OF CONSTRUCTION OR FROM THE MEMORIALIZATION OF THE RESOLUTION, OR DOES IT MAKE SENSE TO PUT THAT TO A DATE CERTAIN WHEN YOU MEET, WHEN YOU KNOW THE FACILITY NEEDS TO BE OPEN? JUST SO THAT CAN BE TRACKED WITH SOME SPECIFICITY? YEAH.
AND JUST THAT WERE REMOVED WITHIN 38TH OF THE BUILD.
WELL, NOT BUILDING A PERMIT COMPLETION.
UH, YOU MEAN START THE TWO YEARS THAT THE ISSUE WAS UP? CONSTRUCTION BUILDING ELIGIBLE PERMIT FOR THE CARE.
WE, WE GO OVER IT THAT AT THE PRECO MEETING AS WELL.
YEAH, NO, SO WOULD WOULD NOT BE ANY EARLIER THAN THE PRE-CON MEETING.
I WOULD ASSUME IT WOULD BE WITHIN 30 DAYS OF THE PRE-CON MEETING THAT YOU'D WANT TO PUT THE TRAILERS THERE.
ANYTHING ELSE? WE ALSO, JUST, JUST FOR THE RECORD, UM, OUR PUBLIC RELATIONS SPECIALIST PROVIDED, UM, THE BOARD WITH COPIES OF INFORMATIONAL CARDS AS WELL AS, UM, HANDOUTS EXPLAINING WHAT ULTIMATELY THE HOTLINE NUMBER LOOKS LIKE, HOW THEY CAN CONTACT.
SO THIS IS JUST INFORMATION THAT THE BOARD CAN HAVE, UM, OR THAT WE CAN PROVIDE TO SHOW YOU WHAT WILL BE PROVIDED TO THE RESIDENTS AND HOW THEY CAN REACH OUT IN TERMS OF OUR OUTREACH.
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WHAT'S YOUR TYPICAL DISTRIBUTION RADIUS FOR THIS INFORMATIONAL PIECE? SO TYPICALLY IF WITHIN THE AREA WE WOULD, WE CAN GO AS WIDE AS NECESSARY, BUT WE USUALLY TRY TO GET A, A GOOD, UM, CIRCUMFERENCE COVERED OF, UH, OF RESIDENTS SO THAT EVERYONE THAT IS IN THE IMMEDIATE AREA IS AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING ON.UM, SO IF THE BOARD WANTS US TO, UM, INFORM OR TO CONTACT MORE PERSONS, WE CAN CERTAINLY DO SO.
CAN YOU QUESTIONS FOR MEMBERS OF JUST POTENTIALLY THE, YOU KNOW, THERE WE HAVE DEVELOPMENTS, SO MAYBE NOT JUST THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE IN THE, TO THE PROPERTY, BUT MAYBE THE DEVELOPMENTS THAT ARE, COULD BE AFFECTED, ESPECIALLY IF THERE'S CONSTRUCTION TRAFFIC OR THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
WE CAN AGREE TO, TO, TO PROVIDE THAT NOTICE.
WE CAN ALSO PUT IT ON THE TOWNSHIP SITE TOO SO EVERYBODY KNOWS WHAT'S GOING ON.
UM, SO TYPICALLY, UH, WE CAN WORK VERY CLOSELY WITH THE TOWNSHIP.
IF YOU HAVE A PUBLIC INFORMATION OFFICER, WE CAN COORDINATE WITH THEM IN ORDER TO ANY NOTICES THAT WE WILL SEND OUT.
WE CAN PROVIDE THEM IN ADVANCE TO YOUR PUBLIC INFORMATION, UM, OFFICER SO THAT THEY CAN POST IT ON THE WEBSITE.
UM, SO IT'S A VERY COLLABORATIVE PROCESS.
IS THAT ALL? THAT IS IT? OKAY.
ANY FURTHER QUESTIONS FOR YOU? ANYBODY FROM THE BOARD? SO NOW SEEING THERE'S NO QUESTIONS, DO WE OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? YES, WE DO.
IS THERE ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC HERE? 'CAUSE IF THEY'RE NOT THEN THERE'S NO POINT IN OPENING TO THE PUBLIC.
I DON'T THINK THERE IS, BUT OKAY.
SO THERE'S NO NEED TO DO THAT.
SO AT THIS POINT FOR THE, WE DID THE SUBMISSION WAIVERS, RIGHT? YES.
SO WHAT IS THE NEXT STEP? WELL, IF THE BOARD WAS INCLINED, THE BOARD COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS AND THE COMMENTS THAT ARE CONTAINED IN THE REVIEW LETTERS FROM THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS AND ALSO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE DISCUSSED THIS EVENING.
YOU ALSO WANT TO RESCIND THE CONDITIONS FROM THE PRIOR APPROVAL, RIGHT? WELL, I GUESS WE COULD, WE SHOULD PROBABLY TALK ABOUT THAT SPECIFICALLY.
UM, WE SHOULD, UM, ONE, ONE OF ONE ASPECT OF THE APPLICATION IS TO MODIFY OR RESCIND A CONDITION OF A PREVIOUS APPROVAL THAT RELATED TO THE IMPOSITION OF A FEE RESTRICTION ON THE PROPERTY, THIS PROPERTY.
AND, UM, YOU KNOW THAT IN INITIALLY WHEN YOU HEAR DE RESTRICTION, UH, IT RAISES LEGAL ISSUES BECAUSE NOT ALL DE RESTRICTIONS ARE RIGHT.
UH, SOME PROPERTIES, FOR EXAMPLE, CAN BE DE RESTRICTED BY VIRTUE OF SOME REQUIREMENT OF STATE OF FEDERAL LAW THAT JUST APPLIES TO THE PROPERTY GENERALLY.
UH, FOR EXAMPLE, DEVELOPING ON OPEN SPACE LAND THAT'S PRESERVED FROM DEVELOPMENT BY WAY OF DE RESTRICTION, IT'S CONSIDERED DEDICATED OPEN SPACE LAND.
YOU'D HAVE TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT THAT DEED RESTRICTION BEFORE YOU COULD DEVELOP FARM.
UH, SAME WITH COUNTY FARMLAND THAT'S PRESERVED.
UH, IT COULD BE ANY NUMBER OF REASONS WHY LAND IS DEED RESTRICTED.
SO WE HEARD ABOUT A DEED RESTRICTION ON THIS PARTICULAR PROPERTY AND THE APPLICANT'S DESIRE TO REALLY ELIMINATE IT.
UM, IT BEGGED THE QUESTION, YOU KNOW, WHAT DE RESTRICTION WE WERE TALKING ABOUT.
SO WE LOOKED INTO IT SOME MORE.
AND IT RELATES BACK TO THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL FROM NINE FIVE AND SOME SPECIFIC LANGUAGE IN THE REALLY THE TWO RESOLUTIONS THAT APPROVED THE SUBDIVISION AND SITE PLAN FOR THE PROJECT THAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT NOW BEFORE IT WAS DEVELOPED AND AS IT RELATES TO THE, UH, THE USE OF THE LAND AND THEN ULTIMATELY THE DE RESTRICTION, THE, UM, THE PURPOSE OF ONE OF THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL WAS TO PRESERVE THINGS ESSENTIALLY THE WAY THEY'RE AFTER THEY WERE DEVELOPED IN NINE FIVE IN PARTICULAR AS IT RELATES TO, AS, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO THE BOARD ISSUES ISSUE, UH, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL ALL THE TIME.
ARE THEY IMPLEMENTED INTO THE TITLE TO THE PROPERTY AND RECORDED AGAINST TITLE TO THE PROPERTY BY WAY OF A DEED RESTRICTION? THAT'S A DIFFERENT ANIMAL.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DEALING WITH HERE.
APPARENTLY IT SAYS IT RIGHT IN, IN THE, UH, IN THE, IN THE RESOLUTION.
THE BOARD REQUIRES THAT THE APPLICANT,
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THE WORDING IS, SHALL DERESTRICT THE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL OUTSIDE OF DISTURBANCE IN ITS NATURAL STATE.AND THERE'S ADDITIONAL LANGUAGE IN THAT SAME SENTENCE THAT SAYS, AND SHALL NOT REMOVE EXISTING PROPOSED VEGETATION EXCEPT FOR NORMAL MAINTENANCE.
BUT THAT'S NOT A DE RESTRICTION LANGUAGE.
BUT AS IT RELATES TO DE RESTRICTION, THE, THE CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL FOR SPECIFICALLY CALLS OUT FOR DE RESTRICTION PURPOSES DERESTRICT THE AREA OF THE SUBJECT PARCEL OUTSIDE OF DISTURBANCE.
AND THEN IT ALSO SAYS THE LANGUAGE OF THE RESTRICTION SHALL BE SUBMITTED TO THE PLANNING BOARD ATTORNEY FOR HIS REVIEW APPROVAL.
WHAT WAS ULTIMATELY IMPLEMENTED BY WAY OF A DEED RESTRICTION WAS INCORPORATED INTO THE SUBDIVISION D-P-S-E-M-G BACK IN THE DAY.
RATHER THAN CREATE THE SUBDIVISION BY THE FILING OF THE PLAT, THEY REPORTED IT BY WAY OF, THEY, THEY, THEY CREATED THE SUBDIVISION BY WAY OF THE DEED AND THEIR DEED SAYS, NOW YOU HEARD WHAT I SAID A MINUTE AGO BACK NATURAL STATE VEGETATION.
THIS DEED RESTRICTION SAYS SUBJECT TO THE CONDITION THAT THE PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT OF THIS TRACK SHALL NOT BE EXPANDED EXTERNALLY WITH THE EXCEPTION OF MINOR CHANGES AND MINOR EXPANSION INTERNAL TO THE DEVELOPMENT WITHIN THE FENCED AREA.
THAT'S A LITTLE, IT'S A LITTLE DIFFERENT THAN WHAT'S WRITTEN INTO THE, INTO THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THAT THE CONDITION OF APPROVAL IS WHAT'S DRIVING THIS, THIS IS NOT, FOR EXAMPLE, A DE RESTRICTION OVER THE PROPERTY THAT WAS IMPOSED BY THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY OR THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR WHATEVER REASON.
AND, AND, AND WE'RE, WE'RE DOING SOMETHING IN VIOLATION OF THAT.
IT WAS ACTUALLY REQUIRED REALLY TO IMPLEMENT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL FROM THE BOARD.
SO NOT ONLY WAS IT WRITTEN INTO THE RESOLUTION OF APPROVAL AS A CONDITION, BUT IT REQUIRED THAT IT BE FURTHER ESTABLISHED BY WAY OF TITLE TO THE PROPERTY.
THE LAND SHALL BE DEED RESTRICTED AGAINST DEVELOPMENT CONSISTENT WITH THAT APPROVAL.
SO THEY, I GUESS I'M NOT FINE.
BUT I'M JUST WONDERING WHY THE BOARD WOULD IMPOSE A DEED RESTRICTION.
WELL, THE, THE BOARD IMPOSED THE RESTRICTION 'CAUSE THEY WANTED TO SEE THAT FORESTED AREA REMAIN, BUT THE, BUT THE RESOLUTION WOULD'VE TAKEN CARE OF THAT YOU CAN'T JUST GO OUT AND BUILD AN AD.
SO I THAT'S WHY I DON'T, SO WHY, WHY A DEED RESTRICTION? CORRECT.
I'VE NEVER SEEN, WE DON'T KNOW THE REASON WHY IT WAS.
IT SAYS, YOU KNOW, AND FURTHER FOR X, Y, Z REASONS OTHER THAN WE WANT TO SEE THIS MAINTAINED OR, OR WE WANT, WE WANT THE PROPERTY DEVELOP NO FURTHER THAN HAS BEEN APPROVED IN 1995.
THERE'S NO OTHER REASON WHY IT HAD TO BE DEED RESTRICTED.
WE DON'T DO DEED RESTRICTIONS AS CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HERE.
I MEAN, IF THERE'S A REASON TO DO IT, WE'LL DO IT, BUT WE REALLY DON'T DO THAT.
BUT FOR THIS PROJECT IT WAS DONE.
WHY THE BOARD SAID, AND IT SHALL BE DE RESTRICTED, THERE'S NO EXPLANATION AS TO WHY THAT WAS REQUIRED, BUT IT HAPPENED.
SO WHERE WE ARE NOW IS THE, THE SAME LANDOWNER IS COMING BACK NOW TO DO WHAT THEY'RE TELLING US IS BEING REQUIRED OF THEM BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT.
AND WE HAVE THIS DEED RESTRICTION ISSUED, WHICH WAS, AGAIN, IT WAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OF THIS BOARD.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WAS IMPOSED BY WHO KNOWS THE UNITED NATIONS.
THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH HERE.
THE DIFFICULTY YOU'D HAVE WITH A DEED RESTRICTION LIKE THAT IS THAT YOU'D HAVE TO GO BACK TO THAT ENTITY AND GET THEM TO AGREE.
YOU SHOULD HAVE TO GO TO COURT THESE DAYS TO GET THAT DEED RESTRICTION LIFTED IN ORDER TO DEVELOP THE PROPERTY AT ALL DEPENDING ON WHAT THE DEED RESTRICTION REQUIRES.
BUT ON THIS CASE, THAT ENTITY, YOU ARE THE DRIVING PARTY ON THE DEED RESTRICTION ISSUE.
SO PC AND G IS STILL GONNA HAVE TO GET THAT DEED RESTRICTION LIFTED.
IF YOU AGREE TO ELIMINATE THE PREVIOUS CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT LIMITS THE DEVELOPABILITY OF THE PROPERTY BEYOND ITS NATURAL STATE, VEGETATION, ALL THAT STUFF, THEY'LL STILL HAVE TO GO BACK AND GET THAT FIXED.
THEY CAN DO IT BY WAY OF A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IT WOULD BE A FURTHER CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN ADDITION TO THE ONES WE ALREADY DISCUSSED TO GO BACK AND GET THAT FIXED.
AND FRANKLY IF YOU REQUIRE IT, WE, I TALKED ABOUT IT WITH CHRIS, TALKED ABOUT IT WITH THE, UH, THE APPLICANT'S COUNSEL.
IT, IT'S, IT'S THERE, YOU'RE THE DRIVING FORCE BEHIND IT.
YOU WERE THE ONES WELL WE'RE THE, WE'RE THE RE YOU'RE THE RESTRICT.
IF YOU RESTRICTED MY PROPERTY, I'D HAVE TO GO TO YOU AND FIND YOU, LIKE YOU SAID.
BUT WE'RE THE ONES THAT DID IT.
SO WE HAVE THE ABILITY, I THINK THEY STILL ARE GONNA HAVE TO GO TO COURT TO GET IT.
WE STILL WILL HAVE TO QUIET TITLE BECAUSE IT AFFECTS
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THE TITLE OF THE PROPERTY, WHICH IS A SEPARATE ISSUE FROM THE BOARD RELIEVING US OF THE CONDITION, UM, AS PART OF A PRIOR APPROVAL.SO, SO THERE'S ACTUALLY A SECOND PIECE TO THIS THAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH ENTITLED THAT WILL COME BACK TO US APPROVAL, OUR PROPERTY.
WE MIGHT HAVE TO, WE MIGHT HAVE TO GET SOME SOMETHING FROM THE BOARD TO SUBMIT TO THE COURT THAT SAYS CORRECT, CORRECT.
THIS IS THE FIRST STEP IN THE PROCESS.
THAT'S WHY YOU'RE ASKING IT TO BE IN THE RESOLUTION BEFORE WE TAKE THOSE STEPS.
WE WANTED TO KNOW THAT THIS IS THE I'VE PROJECT AND PRESENT IT TO THE BOARD AND, AND, AND HAVE TOWNSHIP SUPPORT EXTENS.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE ANY OTHER PROJECTS THAT WE KNOW OF THAT HAVE THIS? SO I BELIEVE I RESTRICTION BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED.
AND UH, BOARDS, DO YOU HAVE YOUR NOTES FROM THAT MEETING?
SO I BELIEVE WHAT HAPPENED WAS THAT THE BOARD WANTED TO CONTROL ANY FUTURE DEVELOPMENT ON THE SITE.
THEY WERE CONCERNED ABOUT THE WOODS AND THEY GOT A LITTLE ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT IT AND PUT THE DEAN RESTRICTION IN THERE AS OPPOSED TO JUST SAYING, YOU GOTTA COME BACK TO THE BOARD.
AND FUTURE BOARDS DRIVE WOULD DO THAT TOO.
AND WE POINTED OUT, THE STAFF POINTED OUT THAT YOU DON'T HAVE TO DO THAT 'CAUSE THEY GOTTA COME BACK TO THE BOARD NO MATTER WHAT.
SO I BELIEVE THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED.
AND IT WAS VERY CONTROVERSIAL AT THAT TIME.
SO TO, TO BUILD THE SUBSTATION.
SO AGAIN, THE, THE, IT APPEARS, SO THIS WILL BE ANOTHER AS A TOOL TO IMPLEMENT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL, NOT SOME OTHER THING.
SO IF YOU DON'T WANT THAT CONDITION ANYMORE, THEN IT'S WITHIN YOUR POWER TO SAY WE CAN DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT THIS TIME.
THAT'S WHAT THEY'RE ASKING YOU TO DO.
I I, MY PERSONAL OPINIONS, I DON'T THINK WE NEED THAT.
I THINK THAT ON ALL MY YEARS ON BOARDS AND GOING IN FRONT OF BOARDS, YOUR YOUR APPROVAL IS YOUR APPROVAL.
YOU CAN'T, YOU KNOW, WAWA CAN'T ONE DAY DECIDE TO JUST EXPAND OR JUST CHANGE, THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.
SO THAT'S WHY I WAS SURPRISED WHEN I'M LIKE, WHY DID THAT HAPPEN? BUT THE BEST WE CAN, WHAT WOULD WE BE VOTING ON TO? WOULD YOU MAKE, WHAT, WHAT WOULD WOULD THAT BE IN THE RESOLUTION OF? IT WOULDN'T BE A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
IT WOULD BE AN APPROVAL OF THE APPLICATION, WHICH SEEKS TO OKAY.
REMOVE THAT PRIOR CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT GENERATED THE DISTRICT.
FROM BOTH OF THOSE RESOLUTION, CORRECT.
FROM THE PRELIM, FROM THE MINOR SUBDIVISION AND PRELIMINARY SITE AND APPROVAL RESOLUTIONS.
AND THEN FROM THE FINAL SECTION, APPROVAL RESOLUTION, BECAUSE THERE'S LANGUAGE IN BOTH.
IF YOU DON'T MIND JUST EXPLAINING TO ME, JUST FOR MY OWN, WHY, WHY DO YOU HAVE TO GO GET A QUIET, UH, QUIET TITLE OR WHY DO YOU HAVE TO? BECAUSE ONCE A DEED RESTRICTION IS CREATED, IT ESSENTIALLY, UM, BECOMES A RESTRICTIVE COVENANT AGAINST TITLE.
SO YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE PLANNING BOARD ACTIONS AND THEN YOU HAVE SEPARATELY, UM, RIGHTS OF OWNERSHIP AS IT RELATES TO, TO YOUR PROPERTY.
AND SO THERE IS CASE LAW BASICALLY STATING THAT DESPITE THE FACT THAT YOU MAY BE ABLE TO OBTAIN, FOR EXAMPLE, REALLY FROM THIS BOARD SAYING THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NO LONGER WISH TO IMPOSE THIS REQUIREMENT.
ONCE THE RIGHT IS CONFERRED, IT'S ESSENTIALLY A PUBLIC RIGHT TO, FOR ENFORCEMENT.
SO IN ORDER TO REMOVE IT, THERE ARE STEPS THAT NEED TO BE TAKEN.
ONE MEETING, WHICH UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WE MAY POTENTIALLY HAVE TO SEEK TO HAVE IT REMOVED FROM TITLE ELECTOR, QUIET TITLE, ACTION.
UM, AND THEN IT AND THEN IT'S NOT ON THE TITLE REPORT.
SO I HAVE A PRE PRECURSOR TO THAT WITH ONE IT'S KIND CLERK THING.
LIKE IF THE COUNTY, COUNTY CLERK SAYS, WE ARE GONNA WALK IN HERE FROM ONE DAY WITH A DEED RESTRICTION I RECORDED, YOU CAN'T JUST COME BACK IN THE NEXT DAY.
YOU COULD, BUT THE LAW HAS CHANGED OVER TIME.
SOMEBODY OBVIOUSLY SCREWED UP SOMEWHERE AND GOT A COUNTY CLERK JAMMED UP.
SO NOW THE RULE IS YOU HAVE TO GO TO COURT.
THERE'S ALSO, AND THIS IS THE STEP TO GET YOU THERE WHEN YOU GO TO COURT, HAVING OUR RIGHT, WE WANTED AN OPPORTUNITY TO EXPLAIN WHAT THE PROJECT IS.
WHY AFTER 30 YEARS WE, WE HAD TO COME BACK ESSENTIALLY TO THE BOARD TO, TO SEEK THIS RELIEF.
AND PARTICULARLY IT RELATES TO FIRM, UM, AND JUST THE COMPLICATION AS A RESULT OF THE, THE PRIOR CONDITION.
SO THAT WAS, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE MAIN DRIVERS WAS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO ADDRESS THIS ISSUE WITH THE STATION, HOWEVER, WE'RE PREVENTED FROM DOING SO BECAUSE OF PRIOR CONDITIONS, SPECIFICALLY PREVENTING EXPANSION.
AND SO, UM, WE WANTED TO FIRST COME TO THE BOARD TO MAKE SURE THAT WE HAVE A VIABLE PROJECT THAT WE CAN THEN USE, UM, WHEN WE GO AND, AND SEEK TO REMOVE THE DEED RESTRICTION.
SO THAT WAY, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE, UM, ASK FOR THE CONSENT OF THE COURT AND EXPLAIN THAT THERE ARE CHANGED CIRCUMSTANCES, WE CAN DOCUMENT THAT IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE DISCUSSED WITH THE TOWNSHIP THAT SPECIFICALLY IMPOSED CERTAIN REQUIREMENTS REGARDING THAT.
BUT IS NOW POTENTIALLY, I MEAN WE HAVEN'T VOTED YET WILLING TO ACCEPT, UM, A MODIFICATION OF THAT PRIOR REQUIREMENT.
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YOU GOT IT.THERE'S ALSO TWO OTHER CONDITIONS.
THE FIR THE ONE, THE FIRST ONE WAS THE ACCESS, UH, TO ROUTE 70, AN ALTERNATE ACCESS TO ROUTE 70.
WHEN THIS PROPERTY WAS FIRST SUBDIVIDED, IT WAS A SPLIT ZONING.
SO THERE WAS A PORTION THAT WAS STILL IN THE, AT THE TIME HIGHWAY, COMMERCIAL ZONE NORTH OF THIS SITE.
AND THIS MADE IT LANDLOCKED OTHER THAN GOING THROUGH THE AR ZONE OUT AT NEW FREEDOM ROAD.
SO THAT'S WHY THEY ASKED FOR THE EASEMENT TO ROUTE 70.
SINCE THE LIBERTY PLACE HAS BEEN DEVELOPED, THAT'S NO LONGER, IT'S MOOT.
IT DOESN'T MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE.
SO THAT SHOULD DISAPPEAR AS WELL.
AND THE SECOND ONE WAS ABOUT THE DRAINAGE EASEMENT FOR OFFSITE UPLAND DRAINAGE FLOW TO FLOAT ACROSS THE SUBDIVIDED PARCEL THAT IS IN THE DEED.
I DON'T THINK THAT'S AN ISSUE WITH ANYBODY AT ALL.
IT'S BEEN HAPPENING AND IT'S NOT CAUSING ANY PROBLEMS. AND IT ALL GOES TO SKI RUN THE WAY IT SHOULD, SHOULD GO.
SO IT'S ACTUALLY FOUR THINGS THAT WE HAVE.
TWO IN TERMS OF TWO CONDITIONS THAT THE ROUTE 70 ACCESS AND THE, UH, PHYSICAL EXPANSION AND THE DEED RESTRICTIONS, RESTRICTIONS, I THINK, DID WE TALK ABOUT, ABOUT TIMING PRE-CONSTRUCTION, POST BY TRAILER? NO, I'M TALKING, I'M, I'M TALKING ABOUT THE CONDITIONS IS THAT WERE THE PREVIOUS APPROVAL OH, GOT IT.
SO AT THIS POINT, WITH THAT
AND AM I MAKING A MOTION TO APPROVE? YOU WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION I WOULD CALL CHAIR.
I WOULD CALL FOR A MOTION TO, TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE DISCUSSED THE SCOPE OF THE APPLICATION AS IT WAS PRESENTED, THE RELIEF THAT THEY SOUGHT AND THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL THAT WE DISCUSSED CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMENTS IN THE BOARD OF PROFESSIONALS.
DO, DO WE, UM, AT THIS POINT IN TIME, DO WE HAVE ANY OTHER I DIDN'T SEE ANYBODY.
SHOULD I MAKE A MOTION TO, OR SOMEONE? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO ADJOURN? I THINK THAT'S NEXT ON THE AGENDA.
I DON'T SEE, THERE'S NO OTHER BUSINESS ON THE AGENDA.