* This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting. OKAY. [00:00:03] HELLO [Call to Order] EVERYONE. UH, WE'RE GONNA CALL TO ORDER THE PLANNING BOARD MEETING OF WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25TH. UM, STAND AND DO THE BLACK FLAG SALUTE PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE TO OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS BY NATION UNDER GOD, INVISIBLE LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL. UH, NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT. UH, POSTING A COPY OF THE AGENDA ON THE BULLETIN BOARD AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE, FILING A COPY OF THE AGENDA IN THE OFFICE OF THE TOWNSHIP CLERK AT THE MUNICIPAL BUILDING, FORWARDING A COPY OF THE AGENDA TO THE CENTRAL RECORD IN THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES FORWARDING WRITTEN NOTICE TO EACH PERSON HAS BEEN REQUESTED COPIES OF THEIR REGULAR MEETING SCHEDULE. AS ALWAYS, I REMIND EVERYONE THIS MEETING IS BEING STREAMED LIVE. SO BOTH OUR STATEMENTS AND ACTIONS ARE BEING RECORDED. UH, ROLL CALL. UH, RECORDING SECRETARY. I APOLOGIZE. I GONNA SAY YOUR ELLE STELLE. WE'LL CALL THE ROLE. AND IF YOU DON'T MIND, I'LL CALL THE ROLE. OH, I'M SORRY. THAT'S IT. THAT'S FINE. , WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA APPOINT ELLE SHORTLY. OH, YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT. OKAY. I APOLOGIZE. YOU'RE FINE. MAYOR RESTOCK HERE. DEPUTY MAYOR CIVIC HERE. MR. BRAS. MR. FUSS. MS. IFFS? HERE. MR. ED? HERE. VICE CHAIRMAN. PERKS HERE. AND CHAIRMAN GIULIANO HERE. THANK YOU. HAS EVERYONE HAD A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETINGS FROM OUR, UH, LAST MEETING? ARE THERE ANY COMMENTS? CHAIRMAN, JULIANA? THERE WERE NO MINUTES. THERE WERE NO MEETING MINUTES. LAST MEETING. SEE, I'M READING IF EVERYONE IN THE NEW, I'M NEW TO THE CHAIRMAN, SO I APOLOGIZE IF IT SOUNDS A LITTLE SHAKY. I'M NEW TO THIS ROLE, SO I'M LEARNING AS I, AS I GO AS FAR AS BEING CHAIRMAN. SO THERE WERE NO MEETING MINUTES. LAST MEETING. OKAY. THERE'LL BE READY FOR THE NEXT MEETING. OKAY. SO NOW [6. Correspondence: June 18th email from CSG Law requesting application (10a below) to be adjourned to the July 23, 2025 meeting.] WE HAVE TO, WE'RE WE'RE GOING TO GO OUT AND MEMORIALIZE THE RESOLUTIONS. SO, UH, THERE'S CORRESPONDENCE AND THERE'S AN EMAIL, UM, FROM CSG LAW REQUESTING THE APPLICATION FOR THE P-S-E-N-G, UM, APPLICATION TO BE ADJOURNED TO THE JULY 23RD, 2020 FIFTH MEETING. IF, UM, IF YOU'RE IN FAVOR, YOU CAN MAKE A MOTION TO CARRY IT. AND THEN, OKAY. SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? I'LL MAKE A MOTION. I'LL SECOND IT. ALL IN FAVOR? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. SO, WITH THAT, MR. CHAIRMAN, LET'S JUST MAKE CLEAR TO THE PUBLIC WHO'S HERE, THAT THAT APPLICATION HAS BEEN CARRIED TO THE JULY 23RD MEETING OF THE PLAINTIFF. OKAY. AND NO FURTHER NOTICE IS REQUIRED BY THAT. GREAT. OKAY. SO NOW PROBABLY GO ON TO THE MEMORIALIZATION OF THE, UH, THE TWO RESO OR THE RESOLUTIONS, CORRECT? WELL, IF YOU'D WANNA LIKE, JUST MAKE PUBLIC COMMENT REGARDING THE, UM, INSUFFICIENT ESCROW BALANCES AT THIS TIME. YEAH, I MEAN, [7. Reports: Insufficient escrow balances over 6 months] I, WE DO HAVE, UH, THE, THE, UH, IN INSUFFICIENT ESCROW BALANCES ARE POSTED. THEY DO CLOSE TO TOWNSHIP MONEY AND WE DO, UM, TRY OUR BEST TO COLLECT ON THEM. UM, IS THERE ANY COMMENT ON THAT? I DON'T HAVE ANY. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT [8.a. 12-2025 – Recording Secretary Appointment] IN TIME, DO YOU WANT TO MEMORIALIZE THE RESOLUTIONS? THE FIRST ONE IS THE ACCORDING SECRETARY APPOINTMENT, CORRECT? CORRECT. PARDON ME? SANDY . SANDY SUNSHINE. I'M SORRY. SUNSHINE. DEAD SHELL. DEAD SHELL? YES. OKAY. SO DO I HAVE A MOTION? IS THAT WHAT I WOULD WANT TO DO? YEAH. WE NEED A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION. APPOINTING A NEW PLANNING BOARD REPORTING SECRETARY. SO MOVED. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. OPPOSED? MOTION. KAREN, WELCOME. THANK YOU VERY MUCH. SORRY IF I MESSING UP YOUR NAME. THANK YOU. OKAY. YOU'LL GET IT. DON'T WORRY. . ILL GET IT. THANK YOU. OKAY, THE SECOND [8.b. 13-2025 - Eagle Auto Body, 35 Fostertown Road, 301/7.02, SPR-5753AF – granting of an extension for Final Site Plan Approval per Resolution 13-2022.] RESOLUTION IS EAGLE AUTO BODY. HAS EVERYBODY REVIEW THE RESOLUTION? IS THERE ANY QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? DO I HAVE A MOTION TO APPROVE RESOLUTION? SO MOVED. SECOND. SECOND. [00:05:01] MAYOR WEBSTOCK. AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR CIZIK. AYE. MS. SOFERS? AYE. MR. ANNA PETTY. AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN? PERKS. AYE. AND CHAIRMAN GIULIANO AYE. THANK YOU. OKAY, SO I'LL JUMP IN. [9.a. Consideration of Resolution 14-2025 – adopting 2025 Housing Element and Fair Share Plan] MR. CHAIRMAN, AT THIS POINT, WE HAVE ANOTHER RESOLUTION FOR CONSIDERATION ON THE AGENDA. WE'RE GONNA HANDLE IT DIFFERENTLY. THE TOWNSHIP ATTORNEY HERE, MR. PRIME, UH, IS HERE TO DISCUSS THE MATTER AND ALSO TO GIVE THE BOARD SOME INFORMATION AND WE'LL ALSO ENTERTAIN SOME PUBLIC COMMENT. UM, BUT ULTIMATELY, THE, THE GOAL IS TO CONSIDER THE ADOPTION OF RESOLUTION 14, 20, 25, WHICH THE BOARD MEMBERS HAVE. TURN IT OVER TO MR. PRIME, MR. CHAIRMAN, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD. GOOD EVENING. TIM PRIME. I'M THE COUNCIL ATTORNEY. I THINK MOST OF YOU KNOW, UH, THERE'S A RESOLUTION, UH, 14, 20, 25 BEFORE YOU THIS EVENING, BUT I WANTED TO BRIEFLY EXPLAIN THE BENEFIT OF THE, UH, OF THE BOARD AND, AND THE PUBLIC. JUST TO CLARIFY, THIS IS A PUBLIC HEARING. UH, THE LAW REQUIRES, UH, BEFORE YOU CAN ADOPT A RESOLUTION AMENDING, UH, MASTER PLAN IN ANY FASHION, INCLUDING THE HOUSING ELEMENT. FAIR SHARE OF PLAN, BE CONSIDERED TONIGHT. YOU MUST HAVE A PUBLIC HEARING WHEN I FINISH THE INTRODUCTION, EXPLAINING THE, THE, UH, PLAN THE MATTER FROM OPEN TO THE PUBLIC. PLEASE RECEIVE THE PUBLIC COMMENTS. UH, AND THEN, UH, THE BOARD CAN COMMENT IF THEY WISH FOR ASKING ANY QUESTIONS. AND THEN CONSIDER, UH, HOPEFULLY CONSIDER THE RESOLUTION. THE RESOLUTION ADOPTS THE 2025 HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN. I'VE BEEN WORKING FOR MONTHS ON THE PLAN WITH THE TOWNSHIP COUNCIL, THE TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS, AND THE TOWNSHIP MANAGER. WE'VE BEEN CONSIDERING A NUMBER OF SITES. UH, THE COUNCIL HAS ALREADY ADOPTED RESOLUTION 1 0 9, 20 25 ON JUNE 17, WHICH ENDORSES THE PLAN. UM, THE WAY THE STATUTE WORKS IS THE COUNCIL COUNCIL HAS ENDORSED THE PLAN, REFER TO YOU, AND RECOMMENDS ADOPTION OF THE PLAN BY THE RESOLUTION THIS EVENING. THE, UH, 10 DATES, UH, NOTICE, NEWSPAPER NOTICE, AND, UH, CERTIFIED MAIL NOTICES THAT ARE REQUIRED BY THE LAND, EACH LAW WERE MADE. SO THE MEETING, UH, THE, THE MATTER WAS PROPERTY BEFORE THE BOARD. UH, THIS EVENING, UH, I THINK EVERYONE'S FAMILIAR WITH WHAT IS REFERRED TO AS THE MOUNT LAUREL AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOCK. IN 1975, THE NEW JERSEY SUPREME COURT DECIDED THE LANDMARK MOUNT LAUREL CASE THAT RULED THAT EACH MUNICIPALITY HAS AN AFFIRMATIVE CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE ITS FAIR SHARE OF ITS REGION'S AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS. MEDFORD TOWNSHIP IS IN REGION FIVE, THAT REGION INCLUDE BURLINGTON COUNTY, CAMDEN COUNTY, AND COUNTY. SO TOGETHER WITH THE OTHER MUNICIPALITIES IN THE STATE AND THE DIFFERENT REGIONS, MEDFORD HAS A SHARE, UH, UH, HAS A REQUIREMENT TO PROVIDE ITS SHARE OF THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING NEEDS OF, OF THE REGION. IN 1983, THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED THE MOUNTAIN ROYAL TWO DECISION THAT REALLY GAVE TEETH TO THE MOUNTAIN ROYAL DOCTRINE. IT PROVIDED FOR ENFORCEMENT. IF ANY MUNICIPALITY DOES NOT PROVIDE A FAIR SHARE, THE COURT PERMITTED WHAT WAS BECAME KNOWN AS BUILDER'S REMEDY SUITS. AND THAT INSTANCE, A DEVELOPER COULD SAY, THE TOWNSHIP'S NOT MET ITS OBLIGATION. I HAVE A SITE, HERE'S THE DENSITY I NEED. AND THE COURT COULD APPROVE IT WITHOUT ANY INPUT FROM THE TOWNSHIP, FROM ITS NEIGHBORS, WANT THE PLAN IF IT'S ZONED, WHETHER OR NOT IT'S DONE. SO THAT'S THE TEETH OF THE MOUNTAIN ROYAL DOCK, AND THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE TO DEAL WITH, UH, BOTH TONIGHT. AND FOR THE, AND FOR THE PAST 30 YEARS, EACH MUNICIPALITY REGIONAL SHARE IS EXAMINED IN WHAT THEY CALL ROUNDS OR CIRCLES. THE FIRST ROUND, FIRST AND SECOND ROUND, ALWAYS REFERRED TO AS THE PRIOR ROUNDS, UH, WAS FROM 1987 TO 1999. THE THIRD ROUND INCLUDED THIS GAP PERIOD WHEN CO THE COUNCIL ON PORTABLE HOUSING WAS SUPPOSED TO BE ENFORCING, UH, THE MALAL DOCTRINE AND THEY WEREN'T DOING IT. SO THERE'S THIS GAP HERE WHEN THERE WAS DOING NOTHING DONE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNTIL THE SUPREME COURT DECIDED MALAL FOUR, WHICH TOOK BACK THE MOUNT ORAL DOCTRINE TO THE COURTS, AND THE COURTS STARTED TO EN ENFORCE IT. THEN FROM 1999 TILL 2015 WAS THE THIRD. THAT THIRD ROUND OBLIGATION WAS THEN ENFORCED COMPLETELY BY THE COURTS. A COURT ORDER DATED SEPTEMBER 15TH, 2020. MEDFORD WAS GRANTED COURT APPROVAL OF ITS THIRD ROUND PLAN AND, AND, UH, IT WAS FOUND TO BE IN FULL COMPLIANCE WITH ITS THIRD ROUND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING OBLIGATION. WE ARE PROTECTED AS OF TONIGHT FROM ANY BUILDERS REVENUE LITIGATION. WE'RE PROTECTED FROM ANY LITIGATION REALLY AT ALL ABOUT OUR HOUSING PLAN, [00:10:01] WHICH BRINGS US TO 2025. WE'RE NOW IN THE FOURTH ROUND. THAT FOURTH ROUND. THE FOURTH ROUND CYCLE IS 2025 TO 2035. AND WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION, UH, AGAIN TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE, UH, HOUSING ELEMENT AND FAIR SHARE PLAN HAS BEEN, UH, ON THE WEBSITE, IT'S BEEN PROVIDED TO THE COUNCIL AND TO, AND TO THE BOARD. IT'S BASICALLY, UH, A MECHANISM TO DEAL WITH OUR FOURTH ROUND OBLIGATION. THE, UH, NEW JERSEY LEGISLATURE, UH, EARLIER LAST YEAR, ADOPTED AMENDMENTS TO THE FAIR SHARE HOUSING ACT. THE FAIR SHARE HOUSING ACT WAS THE, ORIGINALLY THE LEGISLATURE RESPONSE TO THE MOUNTAIN WALL DOCTRINE. AND IT WAS, UH, UH, NEEDED TO BE AMENDED TO, TO PROVIDE. THE COA IS NOW ABOLISHED CO IS NOT GONNA HAVE ANYTHING FURTHER TO DO WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE COURTS ARE GONNA DO IT, BUT AS SUPERVISED BY THE DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS BY THE STATE. SO THE STATE TOOK OVER FOR THE FIRST TIME THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING DOCTRINE AND PROVIDED FOR EACH MISS OUT SHARE TO BE REVIEWED BY DCA DEPARTMENT OF COMMUNITY AFFAIRS ACTUALLY REVIEWED EVERY TOWN USING FOUR CRITERIA, UH, AVAILABILITY OF LAND INCOME, SUITABILITY, NO SURPRISE, MEDFORD'S INCOME SUITABILITY, UM, HIGH. AND THUS, UH, THE TOWNSHIP WAS FOUND TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE, UH, ITS FAIR SHARE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND IN, UH, OCTOBER, THE D THE DCA ENDED UP SAYING THAT MEDFORD, FOR THE NEXT 10 YEARS AS AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE 171 AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS COMPARABLE TO O TO OTHER TOWNS, UH, OTHER OUR NEIGHBORING TOWNS. MORRISTOWN'S OBLIGATION WAS TWO 50, WAS TWO 20, MOUNT ROAD WAS 4 31. SO THE 1 71 ACTUALLY IS A, IS A FAIR, UH, A FAIR NUMBER GIVEN THE CRITERIA THAT THE STATE USES TO IMPOSE THE OBLIGATION. AFTER A LOT OF STUDY, WE, WE CAME UP WITH THREE SITES THAT MEET THE, THE CRITERIA TO BE FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING PROVIDED FOR THE FOURTH ROUND. THE FIRST SITE'S, THE RY SITE THAT'S ON BOROUGH ROAD, JUST OFF OF ROUTE 70, I ASSUME YOU KNOW WHERE IT IS. IT'S A TWO LOTS DOWN FROM THE CURRENT AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE. THE, UH, AUTUMN PARK SITE THAT'S ALREADY BUILT. AND IT'S PROVIDING THIRD ROUND OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS. SO IT'S, IT'S GOT PUBLIC SEW IN FRONT OF IT. IT'S ON A STATE HIGHWAY. IT MEETS THE CRITERIA AS FAR AS ACCESSIBILITY TO PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION AND THOSE TYPES OF CRITERIA THAT ARE OPPOSED BY, BY THE STATE. THE, UH, OTHER TWO SITES THAT FINALLY ENDED UP PASSING THE, THE TESTS WHERE THE INGER INSTALL SITES, THEY'RE LOADED ON MEDFORD, LOCATED ON MEDFORD, MOUNT HOLLY ROAD, GOING THROUGH TO FOSTER TOWN ROAD IN THE SAME TAX MAP BLOCK AS THE FLYING W. THE FLYING W IS A THIRD ROUND SITE. AND IT ALSO HAS ACCESSIBILITY TO THE MEDFORD COUNTY SEW STREET VAN. THAT WAS THE MAIN CRITERIA. THAT WAS EASY ACCESS TO PUBLIC SEWER AND THUS CAPABLE OF PROVIDING THE, THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING MEETING, THE STANDARDS THAT ARE NECESSARY FOR AN AFFORDABLE HOUSING SITE. THE INGER SITE IS ALREADY IN REDEVELOPED AREA. IT'S PROPOSED FOR HIGH END SINGLE FAMILY HOMES. AND THE DUKE AND THE, UH, AFFORDABLE UNITS WILL BE PROVIDED DUPLEXES. SO I THINK IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH, UH, THE HERITAGE AND WING GATE PROJECTS, THEY HAVE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. BASICALLY THE SINGLE FAMILY HOUSES ARE INTERSPERSED WITH THE AFFORDABLE UNITS, THE AFFORDABLE UNITS FOR DUPLEXES. SO IT ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A BIG HOUSE, ONE OF THE BIG SINGLES. THAT'S THE IDEA THAT WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH WITH THE, WITH THE, UH, TRIALER SITE. THE STALL SITE IS HIGHER END, UH, UH, UH, TOWNHOUSES. UH, AND AGAIN, THE STATE TOOK AWAY THE CREDITS FOR PROVIDING AFFORDABLE HOUSING FOR PEOPLE WITH FAMILIES. USED TO BE, YOU GOT A BONUS OF CREDIT FOR THAT, WHICH IS WHY OUR CURRENT THIRD ROUND SITE HAVE APARTMENTS. THE, THE, THE STATE TOOK THAT CREDIT AWAY. YOU DON'T GET A CREDIT FOR THAT. BUT YOU STILL HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY THAT HALF OF YOUR AFFORDABLE UNITS HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO FA UH, FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. CAN YOU SAY, SO YOU GOTTA HALF MR. PRIME. CAN YOU SAY THAT AGAIN? IN THE FOURTH, YOU'RE SAYING THE APARTMENTS AREN'T THE FOURTH ROUND. CAN YOU JUST EXPLAIN THAT ONE MORE TIME? THERE ARE NO, WE HAVE NO APARTMENTS IN THE FOURTH ROUND BECAUSE THERE'S NO BONUS CREDIT FOR FAMILY RENTAL APARTMENTS ANYMORE. BUT WE STILL HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE HALF OF THE AFFORDABLE HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO FAMILIES WITH CHILDREN. SO WE HAVE TO HAVE SOME TOWNHOUSES AND SOME LOWER, LOWER PRICE STUFF TO MEET THAT OBLIGATION. SO THERE'S NO APARTMENTS IN THIS ROOM, NO APARTMENTS IN THIS, IN THIS GROUND. THAT'S WHAT I THOUGHT. THE STALL, UH, SITE HAD TO BE DEVELOPED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE TRIAL SITE, BECAUSE WE HAD TO GET THROUGH THE STALL SITE FROM THE TRIALER SITE TO GET ACCESS TO PUBLIC STORAGE. ALL THESE THINGS ENTER INTO THE CRITERIA THAT YOU HAVE TO LOOK AT THE SITES AVAILABLE. ARE THEY AFFORDABLE? [00:15:01] ARE THEY APPROVABLE? UH, IN OTHER WORDS, ARE THEY VALID FOR GROUND SITES? SO, AS I INDICATED, THE STATE ELIMINATED THE BONUS CREDIT FROM AND CHILDREN. SO WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE SOME RENTAL UNITS FOR FAMILIES AND CHILDREN. AND THEY WOULD BE IN THE STALL, IN THE STALL SITE. UM, THE PLAN ALSO INCLUDES A PARAGRAPH ON NEGOTIATING WITH SOME DEVELOPERS. UM, WE HAVE ENOUGH UNITS TO MEET OUR FOURTH GROUND OBLIGATION IF EVERYTHING GETS BUILT. SO I'VE PROVIDED A FEW EXTRA UNITS IN EACH ONE OF THE SITES BECAUSE ALL THESE SITES HAVE TO GO THROUGH A REDEVELOPMENT PLAN, AND THEY ALL HAVE TO COME BEFORE YOU FOR ACTUALLY SUBDIVISION APPROVAL. SO THE BOARD'S GONNA SEE ALL THESE SITES AGAIN, ACTUALLY IN SUBDIVISION APPLICATIONS FOR APPROVAL. SO YOU'LL SEE THE ACTUAL DEVELOPMENT, SEE THE ARCHITECTURE, YOU'LL SEE THE STANDARDS. I MEAN, WE'RE, WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE THEM, BUT WE DO HAVE AT LEAST A LITTLE BIT OF CONTROL OF WHAT THEY LOOK LIKE AND, AND HOW THEY'RE LAID OUT. SO THERE WILL BE SOME INPUT, VERY NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT INPUT FROM, FROM YOU FOLKS ON ALL OF THIS. UH, I'VE ASKED SOME, THE DEVELOPERS TO LOOK AT PROVIDING SOME MARKET UNITS TO PROVIDE, UH, A DEVELOPMENT FEE IN LIEU OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THE, UH, ORDINANCE IN THE STATE LAW ALLOWS, UH, A DEVELOPER TO PAY A 6% FEE, 6% OF THE EXCESS VALUE THE, TO THE TOWNSHIP TO BE USED FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND. BECAUSE DON'T FORGET, WE ALSO HAVE A REHABILITATION, UH, OBLIGATION TO REHABILITATE, REHABILITATE ANY SUBSTANDARD AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAT ALREADY EXISTS IN TOWN. AND THAT WE HAVE TO THEN PROVIDE FUNDS FOR THAT. SO THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, AFFORDABLE HOUSING TRUST FUND ALSO HAS TO BE REPLENISHED. AND SOME OF THE DEVELOPERS CAN DO THAT BY CHAMBER DEVELOPMENT. BUT THERE'S A LOT, A LOT THAT GOES INTO THIS. I THINK IT'S, IN CLOSING, IT JUST, IT'S CRUCIAL FOR EVERYONE TO REMEMBER THAT THIS IS NOT, THIS IS A STATE MANDATED PROGRAM. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT THAT COUNCIL COUNCIL CAME UP WITH. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT ANY MUNICIPALITY CAME UP WITH FORM. SO THIS IS A STATE MANDATED PROGRAM APPLICABLE TO EVERY MUNICIPALITY IN THE STATE. UM, THE FAMOUS CASE THAT, THAT INVOLVED A FOUND THAT DIDN'T, BUT IT WAS OBLIGATION, IS THE SOUTH BRUSWICK CASE. IN GROUND THREE AND THE SOUTH DAKOTA CASE, THEY HAD AN OBLIGATION OF A THOUSAND UNITS. THEY DIDN'T COMPLY. THE COURT TOOK OVER THE PLANNING BOARD. THE PLANNING BOARD MEMBERS WERE DISMISSED. THE COURT TOOK OVER THE PLANNING BOARD AND APPROVED MORE THAN A THOUSAND UNITS ON SITES SPECIFICALLY CHOSEN BY DEVELOPERS, WHICH THE TOWNSHIP HAD. NO, THAT'S THE CARROT IN THE STATE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND I WANNA BE BE CLEAR, WE'RE NOT AGAINST AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS NECESSARY AND IMPORTANT FOR A LOT OF PEOPLE. SINGLE MOMS, UH, SOME DISABLED FOLKS, UM, UH, SENIORS CHALLENGE WE HAVE WITH AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THAT THE DENSITIES YOU HAVE TO ALLOW TO GENERATE THE SUBSIDIZED SUB SUBSIDIES FOR THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, CREATE THESE, THESE BIGGER NUMBERS. AND THAT'S THE CHALLENGE THAT WE HAVE. MEDFORD HASN'T APPROVED. I I WOULD SAY IN THE LAST 20 YEARS, MEDFORD HAS NOT APPROVED A SINGLE RESIDENTIAL SUBDIVISION LARGER THAN FIVE LOTS EXCEPT FOR AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS. BUT WE HAVE NO APPROVED BASED ON THE STATE. SO THAT'S OUR CHALLENGE. THAT'S WHAT WE'RE DOING TONIGHT. WE'RE GONNA MOVE AHEAD. WE'RE GONNA BE THEIR OBLIGATIONS. WE'RE GONNA STAY SAFE. UH, WE'RE NOT GONNA LET IT DEVELOP, PICK AND CHOOSE WHERE WE HAVE DEVELOPED IN TOWN. WE'RE GONNA, WE'RE GONNA KEEP THAT OBLIGATION TO OURSELVES. THANK YOU, MR. CHAIRMAN. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. SO YOU WANNA OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC? YOU GOT A MOTION FOR THAT TOO? NO, JUST THE GENERAL STATE. DOES ANYONE IN THE PUBLIC HAVE ANY COMMENTS? BRIAN? CAR 2 65. NOT MOUNT HOLLY ROAD. SWEAR, NO. MAKE AS MUCH MONEY AS YOU CAN. WHAT'S UP? NOTHING. I THINK YOU SAID NO, NO, NO. THERE WAS NO, I QUESTION. WE, I APOLOGIZE. I THOUGHT IT WAS LIKE A FORMAL APPLICATION. I'M A LITTLE TENSE BEING UP HERE. NO PROBLEM. MY FIRST PLANNING BOARD. TAKE YOUR TIME, SIR. NOT THE FIRST TIME I'VE, UH, HEARD TIM TALK. WE'RE ALL FRIENDS HERE, BRIAN. SO I JUST GOT SOME BASIC QUESTIONS. YOU KNOW, YOU SAID THE CLIENT W DEAL WAS SET UP 'CAUSE IT'S NEARED THE SEWER SYSTEM. IS THAT RIGHT? WELL, THAT WAS ONE OF THE REASONS. OKAY. UH, IT ALSO, THERE WAS AN INTENT BY THE LANDOWNER, UM, TO DECOMMISSION THE CLIENT. WI GUESS ECONOMICALLY DIDN'T MAKE SENSE, RIGHT. CAME THE CA YEAH. SO IT WAS ALL THOSE THINGS THAT WENT INTO THIRD ROUND. OKAY, WELL YOU GUYS APPROVED HIS, HIS APARTMENT PLACE OR WHATEVER HE WAS DOING, I BELIEVE IN 2022. I MIGHT BE WRONG IN THE YEAR OR SOMETHING. AND THEN YOU WENT BACK AND YOU TOLD NO, YOU HAVE TO BUILD YOUR OWN SEWER PLAN. AND THAT WENT INTO LITIGATION. THAT'S, THAT'S A RECORD. SO THE TOWNSHIP [00:20:01] FOR, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S YOU OR WHAT DEPARTMENT WOULD'VE GONE TO THE CASE. TOWNSHIP WAS NEVER TOLD CAS WERE NEVER TOLD THEY HAD TO BILL A SEWER, THEIR OWN SEWER, AND IT WENT INTO EDUCATION. OKAY. THEY WERE ALLOWED, THEY, AS PART OF THEIR APPROVAL, THEY WERE REQUIRED TO DO SOME INFLOW INFILTRATION WORK TO TIGHTEN UP SOME OF THE SEWER LINES COMING INTO THE PROPERTY. SO THEY DON'T LEAD THAT PART TURNING INTO LITIGATION OR WAS IT ALL AGREED. THERE'S NO LITIGATION. OKAY. WELL THAT'S NEWS. I THINK THERE WAS LITIGATION WITH LUMBER. YEAH, NO, I UNDERSTAND THAT PART. THERE'S NO LITIGATION WITH THAT. OKAY, GOOD. ALRIGHT. SO LEMME SEE HERE. ARE YOU MAKING MONEY OUTSIDE OF THE SCOPE? SO I UNDERSTAND YOU'RE THE COUNSEL AND YOU'RE THE LAWYER AND YOU'RE, YOU, YOU COUNSEL THE, YOU'RE THE EXPERT FOR OUR, OUR COUNCIL MEMBERS ON THE, THAT REPORT. I HEARD, I WATCHED THE LAST MEETING AND YOU'RE THE ONE SAYING, LOOK, THIS IS WHAT WE'RE DOING EVEN HERE. YOU PITCHED, YOU PITCHED IT. OKAY. ARE YOU MAKING ANY MONEY ON THE BILL SIDE? NO. NO. IT'S JUST LITERALLY STRAIGHT FOR THE TOWNSHIP. YEAH. OKAY. GOOD TO KNOW, MAN. IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. UM, HOW DO YOU KNOW YOU CAN, YOU CAN HOOK UP 800 HOMES TO THAT SEWER. IS THERE A WAY THAT YOU LOOK AT THE SEWER SYSTEM AND, YOU KNOW, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S MAINLY HE LOOKED AT EVERYTHING. IT'S THE ONLY FRIEND WE HAD THROUGH ALL THIS. A LOT OF PEOPLE DON'T KNOW, BUT, UH, CHRIS WAS ACTUALLY REALLY GOOD TO OUR FAMILY. AND WHEN BETH WAS OUT THERE THAT DAY AT OUR FARM, I, I JUST KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. AND, UH, ONE GUY THAT STAYED OUT OF THIS AND YOU CHECKED OUT THE SEWER AND THEY COULD HANDLE IT. YES, I CAN. OKAY, GREAT. GOOD DEAL. ALRIGHT. UM, THE AFFORDABLE, LIKE WHAT IS AFFORDABLE? IT'S A FORMULA, RIGHT? I CAN'T, I CAN'T, IT'S A PERCENTAGE OF THE, UH, INCOME IN THE COUNTY THAT'S VERY LOW. 13% OF THESE HAVE TO BE AVAILABLE TO VERY LOW INCOME PEOPLE. THEN THEY HAVE TO BE HALF, UM, UH, LOW INCOME PEOPLE AND HALF MODERATE INCOME. SO YOU HAVE TO MEET A, YOU HAVE TO MEET A FATHER. OKAY. IT'S LIKE MILL STREET, THOSE TOWNHOUSES, THEY, THEY ACTUALLY SOLD FOR A LOT, RIGHT? AND THEY LIKE, THEY'RE NOT, THEY'RE NOT, OH, I'M SORRY. TELL YOU THE, UM, THE FOUR METERS ALSO HAVE TO HAVE HEAT RESTRICTION FOR 30 YEARS THAT THEY'LL ONLY BE SO YEAH. YEAH, I GET THAT. THEY CAN'T, SO PEOPLE CAN'T GET IN AND TURN IT OVER. THE TOWNHOUSES ON MILL STREET ARE, THERE'S FIVE FOUR IN THERE. OKAY. ALRIGHT. IT'S SO CONFUSING. YOU KNOW, IF YOU GET DOWN AFFORDABLE, I CAN'T IMAGINE THAT WE'RE GONNA GET SUED BY A BUILDER, UM, OR AFFORDABLE, ANYTHING LIKE THAT. BUT IT'S WHAT? IT'S ALRIGHT. YOU KNOW, ALSO THERE'S ANOTHER WAY TO GET CREDITS TOO IS TO PRESERVE LAND, RIGHT? AND WHEN I SAY THAT WE PRESERVE LAND, SURE IT IS BECAUSE IT'S TAKEN OFF THE TAX AMOUNT. AND SO, BUT THEN, THEN WE HAVE TO THEN ASK FOR A DURATIONAL LAND DOCUMENT WHERE THE COUNCIL ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVERY YEAR WE HAVE TO SHOW, WELL, I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THIS TRACK. I KNOW IT WOULD COST A CRAZY AMOUNT OF MONEY TO EVEN, TO EVEN DO IT. BUT THERE IS LAND, THERE IS OTHER WAYS TO, TO, TO WORK THIS OUT, RIGHT? WELL, I THOUGHT THAT YOU DO, IF YOU DO DESERVE LAND, YOU CAN TAKE THAT OFF AND THE STATE CAN'T LOOK AT THAT. IT'S BUILDING THE LAND. WOULD THAT MAKE SENSE? THAT'S THAT, YEAH. ALRIGHT. THAT'S WHY MY POINT WAS YOU CAN'T DO THAT WAY. YOU AFFORDABLE. THAT'S WHERE THE THOUGH WELL, IT, IT IS ONLY IF YOU'RE BILLING RIGHT THERE. NOBODY'S HERE RIGHT NOW MAKING US BILL. IT'S, HEY, WE WANT TO BILL AND IF WE BILL, WHAT DO WE HAVE TO DO TO LITERALLY MAKE THE STATE HAPPEN? DID YOU HEAR WHAT I SAYING? THE SUPREME COURT, THE SUPREME COURT SAID IT'S A CONSTITUTION, NOT, NOT LIKE A LEGAL, IT'S A CONSTITUTIONAL OBLIGATION THAT WE HAVE TO PROVIDE THAT METRO DOWN HAS TO PROVIDE. IS REGIONAL CARE AFFORDABLE? WE HAVE TO PROVIDE, LET'S SAY THIS LAND DIDN'T EXIST THOUGH. WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN? I MEAN, THE STATE'S GONNA COME IN HERE AND MAKE THIS, I DON'T, I DON'T KNOW HOW ANY OF THAT WOULD EVER FLY. SO JUST I UNDERSTAND WHY. JUST TO BE CLEAR, I YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW MY BACKGROUND. I, I, I DO DEVELOPMENT AND I'VE DONE A LOT OF COMMERCIAL AND, AND APARTMENTS. IN HOTELS AND, AND WHAT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IS EXACTLY WHAT WOULD HAPPEN IN AS, AS MR. PRIME SAYS, IN A TOWN LIKE SOUTH BRUNSWICK, SOMEONE COULD BUY IRONSTONE VILLAGE AND SAY, WE'RE GONNA KNOCK IT ALL DOWN TO APARTMENTS. AND WE, AND WE WOULD HAVE NO CONTROL. FOR EXAMPLE, IN MOUNT LAUREL, THERE ARE MANY OF DEVELOPERS LOOKING AT OFFICES BECAUSE OFFICES ARE VACANT AND THEY'RE GONNA KNOCK, BRING DOWN, I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS ALL STARTS IN MALARA. AND THEY'RE THE ONES THAT HAVE THE HIGHEST NUMBER OF, UH, THEY'RE OWED TO THE STATE. 400 SOME HOMES. HIGHER. HIGHER. RIGHT. COUNTY OTHER HIGHER. SO SOMEONE WOULD COULD BUY SOME OF THESE SITES AS MR. PRIME SAID. YEAH. AND FORCE MUCH MORE DENSITY, MUCH HIGHER. YOU, IT, IT, THEY CAN GO WHEREVER THEY WANT TO GO. THIS IS SO WE CONTROL OUR OWN DESTINY. YOU GUYS DO UN UNDERSTAND. LIKE, DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY HOMES ARE NORTH OF CHURCH ROAD? IS IT LESS THAN 400? SO THIS IS A BIG NUMBER WE ADDED. WELL, PART TRIPLE RIGHT? PART OF THE PROBLEM, THE CHALLENGE. WE ADDED A THIRD OF THE TOWN, 75TH, THIRD DOWN [00:25:01] IN PINELAND. AND IT'S ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE TO BUILD ANY KIND OF DENSITY IN THE PINELAND. SO WE'RE STUCK TRYING TO DEAL WITH A WAS THE LAST FRONTIER ON THAT SIDE? IT'S BEEN SO, SO MR. PRIME, ISN'T IT SAFE TO SAY THAT HELPS US THAT WE'RE IN THE PINELANDS? THAT HELPS US, IT REDUCED OUR NUMBER, BUT IT, BUT IT ALSO MADE US HAVE LIMITED SPOTS TO PUT IN. RIGHT. OKAY. MORE CONCENTRATED. ALRIGHT. UM, WILL THEY BE PAYING ROLLBACK TAXES? SO, YOU KNOW, ACTUALLY I HAVE ANOTHER QUESTION TOO. IF THAT AREA WASN'T REZONED OKAY. BY FOUR ACRE LOCKS, LET'S JUST SAY WE LEFT AT THAT. I KNOW IT WAS CHANGED BY 20. FOR 2017, YOU COULD ONLY, YOU HAD TO HAVE, LOOK AT THE DEAL NEXT TO THE FARM. THERE'S FOUR HOMES IN THERE. I THINK IT'S 25 ACRES. TWO. OKAY. SO WE PAID $30,000 BACK. WE, WE PAID $30,000 IN ROLLBACK TAXES. BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY, THERE WAS, UM, YOU COULD ONLY PUT FOUR HOUSES INTO THAT AREA IN 2017. LIKE I SAID, THEY, THEY, THEY, THEY CHANGED THE ZONING. I DON'T THINK I WOULD FAULT IT. OUR, OUR, OUR PROPERTY'S MORE VALUABLE BECAUSE YOU CAN DO THESE HOMES MORE CONCENTRATED. BUT I'M JUST CURIOUS IF THAT WASN'T CHANGED, WOULD, WHAT WOULD HAPPEN THEN WITH, WITH THE STATE? IF YOU, IF YOU HAD A ZONE FOUR ACRE LOCKS AND YOU CAN'T PUT IN 800 HOMES AND IT'S JUST A QUESTION WE'RE ASKED IT ANYWAY. NO, I, MY POINT IS THAT, THAT THE AMOUNT DOCUMENT, THE OBLIGATION REQUIRED, YOU HAVE TOONE PROVIDE THE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE TO SELL THESE HOUSES AND IT COSTS LESS THAN WHAT COST A BUILDING. SO YOU HAVE TO LET THEM BUILD MORE BUILD ON HOUSES. I, I UNDERSTAND. TO OFFSET. RIGHT. TO OFFSET. BUT, BUT THAT EL I DON'T KNOW IF HE'S IN HERE OR NOT. WE, I I, I MEAN I GO BETWEEN MY HOUSE ON CHURCH ROAD, THE FARM, OBVIOUSLY FIVE 20 MILES. I CROSSED BY THERE. I KNEW SOMETHING WAS GONNA GET DONE. HE'S BEEN TRYING TO SELL IT FOR, I DON'T KNOW, OVER 10 YEARS. SO IT'S NOT LIKE, OH WOW. UH, IF THAT FIELD'S GOING. WE JUST KNEW IT WAS A MATTER OF TIME. BUT, UM, IT IS A BIG NUMBER. WILL, WILL THERE BE AN EXIT OFF OF FOSTER TOWN ROAD? AND I IMAGINE THERE'LL BE ONE ON 5 41 PROBABLY NEAR THAT CHURCH OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT COMING OUT THAT'S FRONT BOTH 5 41 10. ALRIGHT. HEY GUYS. THANK YOU. I'VE GOT A LONG DAY OUT THE HEAT MAN. I HOPE, UH, WE'RE ALL GOOD HERE. THANKS FOR ASKING MY, ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU BRAD. UH, VERY NAIVE QUESTION. UM, I DON'T UNDERSTAND. UH, DO YOU WANT YOU HAVE TO YEAH. LEAST IDENTIFY JUST THE NAME, YOUR NAME. JUST TELL US. YES, SMITH. THANK YOU. SORRY, WHAT WAS IT? BILL SMITH. MR. SMITH. OKAY. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE DISCUSSING, UH, AT 800, UM, HOMES WHEN WE WERE REQUIRED TO HAVE 171. THAT'S WHAT I REFERRED TO IT IN THE FINAL PART OF MY PRESENTATION. BECAUSE THE 171 OWNERS HAVE TO BE SOLD LESS THAN IT COST TO DEVELOP. YOU HAVE TO LET THE BUILDER DEVELOP, BUILD MORE 80% UNITS. SO THAT SUBSIDIZE THE COST OF AFFORD, YOU HAVE TO SUB. SO THE STATE SAYS FOR EVERY A HUNDRED HOUSES YOU HAVE 20 OF 'EM CAN BE, HAVE TO BE AFFORDABLE. 80 OF 'EM HAVE TO BE 80 OF 'EM. PAY YOURSELF FOR ANY BARGAIN RATE YOU WANTED SO THE DOOR CAN GENERATE THE MONEY, SUBSIDIZE THE, THAT'S THE REASON. IF IT WAS JUST A MATTER OF BUILDING 171 OH, NO BRAINER. BUT YOU CAN'T, BECAUSE YOU CAN'T AFFORD, YOU CAN'T SELL IT. OKAY. UM, OKAY. YEAH. CAN I JUST ADD ONE MORE THING BEFORE YOU GO? SO MR. FARM, COULD YOU JUST EXPLAIN TO THE PUBLIC AS WELL THE, THAT 20% RATIO OF AFFORDABLE HOMES TO MARKET RATE HOMES IN THE PAST, THERE'S BEEN MECHANISMS THAT YOU'VE USED ON PREVIOUS ROUNDS TO GET HIGHER DENSITY OF AFFORDABLES THAT WE, UM, AND I DON'T WANT TO GET TOO, TOO DEEP INTO THE, WE THE WEEDS HERE. MM-HMM. BUT THE STATE, I THINK I PREFERENCE BONUS CREDITS. IF YOU BUILD CERTAIN KINDS OF AFFORDABLE HOUSES, THEY GIVE YOU A BONUS CREDIT. FOR EXAMPLE, THE REAL CHALLENGE OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING IS THE STATE IS THAT THERE'S NOT ENOUGH THREE BEDROOM HOUSING, AFFORDABLE FAMILY NEEDS BEDROOM. SO THE STATE NOW MANDATE AT 20% HAS HAVE THREE BEDROOM, BUT IF YOU PROVIDE MORE THAN 20%, WE'LL GIVE YOU A HALF BONUS CREDIT FOR EACH 20. SO YOU GET A CREDIT FOR THE HOUSE, PLUS YOU GET A HALF BONUS CREDIT. SO WE USE THAT. WE WOULD PROBABLY BE REQUIRED TO HAVE AROUND 800, SOME, UH, ACTUALLY 900 SOME MARKET HOUSES. WE THINK WE CAN DO THAT [00:30:01] IN THE SIXES BECAUSE WE'VE TAKEN ADVANTAGE OF BONUS CREDIT. A LOT OF THE, UH, ALL THE UNITS IN THE LAST WILL BE THREE BEDROOM. SO WE'LL GET CREDIT FOR 80% OF THOSE ADDITIONAL CREDIT. SO WE HAVE TO BUILD FEWER MARKET. YEAH. AND THE EXAMPLE BEHIND THE CVS ON HARTFORD, THE HUNDRED PERCENT. OH, OKAY. THERE'S ALSO A MECHANISM THAT YOU CAN PROVIDE FOR DEVELOPMENT THAT ONLY HAS A AFFORDABLE HOUSING. FOR EXAMPLE, IF WE COULD TO JUST GO TO A HUNDRED SEVENTY ONE FOUR HOUSES DID NOT HAVE ANY MARKET ANALYSIS, WE WE CAN DO THAT. THE PROBLEM IS, AND WE DID IT WITH VOLUNTEERS OF AMERICAN STUDY IN HARVARD SQUARE, THAT WAS A, UH, DEVELOPMENT THAT WE, THAT WE GOT TO DO IN THE THIRD ROUND. UM, IT WAS FOR SENIOR VETERANS, DISABLED VETERANS, UH, AND SENIORS. UM, THE PROBLEM THERE IS THEY HAVE TO QUALIFY FOR FEDERAL TAX CREDITS. SO THE STATE LIMITS THE NUMBER OF, I CAN'T COMMIT AND SAY WE'RE GONNA BUILD ONE JOB 71 YEARS BECAUSE THAT'S ALL WE WANNA DO. THEY WOULD ALL NEED TAX CREDITS AND THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF TAX CREDITS. AND THE STATE DOESN'T WANT ALL THIS COMPETITION FOR A FEW . SO THEY, YOU CAN'T DO ANY MORE THAN ONE AFFORDABLE A HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE PROJECT. AND WE DID OFF ONE WITH A THIRD. RIGHT. WAIT, SO WE EXERCISED THAT OPTION ALREADY? WE DID ABOUT, THERE'S A LOT OF UNITS AROUND. RIGHT. OKAY. OKAY. UM, SO, SO THE, MAYBE FROM SAYING THIS RIGHT, THAT THE, THE LARGER NUMBER IS KIND OF SUBSIDIZED OR IS SUBSIDIZING THAT 20%, IF THAT ANSWERS YOUR QUESTION THAT YEAH, YOU'RE BUILDING THE BUILDER'S BUILDING MORE AND THEN HE, THEY'RE LOSING MONEY TO SUBSIDIZE IT. THAT'S THE ONLY WAY YOU COULD DO IT. AND AM I SAYING THAT RIGHT MR. KLE? YES. LET, LET ME GIVE YOU JUST A ROUGH EXAMPLE OF NOT, NOT . LET'S SAY, LET'S SAY THE DEVELOPER A 500,000 HOUSE AND THEY COST HIM 400,000 TO BILL JUST USUALLY NUMBERS. HE HAS TO BILL THE, THEY COST HIM 400,000 TO BILL, MAYBE LESS. NOT A BIG, BUT HE GOTTA SELL FOR A HUNDRED. SO WE HAVE TO LET THE DEVELOPER GO MORE 500 HOUSE TO SUBSIDIZE HIS ABILITY TO SELL THE CHEAPER ONES. IF I MAY, IS THERE A REASON WHY THEY ALL HAVE TO BE BUILT ON ONE SITE? NO, WE COULD GO ON ONE SITE THAT WOULD REQUIRE A VERY BIG SITE. AND ONE OF OUR GOALS IN DOING THESE THINGS IS TO SPREAD THEM MAP, NOT, NOT BURDEN ONE PART OF TOWN WITH ALL AFFORDABLE HOUSING, EVEN THOUGH THE NORTH SIDE IS GETTING ALL THE AFFORDABLE AVENUE. AT LEAST IT'S A THIRD OF THE TOWN, NOT ONE LOT. AND THE OTHER THING WE TRY TO DO IS, UM, LOCATED AREAS NEAR OTHER AFFORDABLE HOUSING. SO THE UTILITIES, UH, ARE AS TO EXTENT THEY'RE MORE SUITABLE ALTERNATIVE. CHASE, ARE YOU BUILDING ALL 800,000, SIR? OH YEAH. IF YOU MAY JUST, JUST WRITE, JUST COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE. YEAH, WE'LL NEED YOU TO IDENTIFY YOURSELF. BUT WE APPRECIATE THE COMMENTS OFFICE. ARE YOU BUILDING ALL 800 HOUSES? TRACK 300 OUR HOUSES? YEAH. NO, NO, IT ABOUT A THIRD. ABOUT A THIRD. THE, UH, YOU KNOW WHERE I'M YES, IT GOES, IT GOES PIECES NEXT DOOR TO BLOCK DOWN ROAD. THAT'S ABOUT TWO THIRD, THE OTHER THIRD ON THE GO. WHERE IS IT GOING? METFORD HUGHES BOROUGH BY THE AMISH MARKET. WE DON'T THERE. HOW IS THIS GONNA AFFECT OUR TAXES AND OUR PROPERTY? WELL, THE STATE POSITION IS THAT IT DOES NOT AFFECT PROPERTY. GONNA ARGUE OUR PROPERTY DOWN. I I DO THINK, AS I INDICATED IN MY PRESENTATION, ONE OF THE THINGS THAT WE DO HAVE CONTROL IS HOW THEY, UH, HOW WE, HOW THEY DEVELOP, UM, THE LOCATION OF THE BUILDINGS IN RELATION TO THE OTHER BUILDINGS, THE LANDSCAPING. THOSE TWO THINGS WE CAN CONTROL. SO WE TRY TO MAKE THEM, UH, AND WE'VE BEEN PRETTY SUCCESSFUL. THE, THE, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT SO FAR, UM, ARE, ARE ARE CONSISTENT WITH EXCHANGE. SO HOW MANY HOUSES EXACTLY WE BUILT, WE WON'T KNOW UNTIL WE GO THROUGH PROCESS. THEY HAVE TO ALL THEIR ENVIRONMENTAL, HOW MANY WETLANDS THEY HAVE DEPENDS ON THE DENSITY. THE OF THE ROAD TRUCTURE, IT'S GONNA BE BEFORE THE, ABOUT THE, ACTUALLY THE NUMBER OF HOW ABOUT [00:35:01] THE TRAFFIC ROAD ROAD IS 20 FOOT. ONE OF THE REASONS WE FELT THOSE TWO ELECTRIC YW IS THERE'S VERY LITTLE TRAFFIC THERE. NOW, THE ROAD STRUCTURE SHOULD BE ABLE TO ACCOMMODATE. WELL, WELL THERE'S SPLIT TO BE 5 41 DOWN. I THEY PUT 500 UNITS THERE. TWO HOUSES PER UNIT. THOUSAND CARS PER DAY GOING BY ONE. THE THINGS DO BEFORE THE I, NOT A LOT. AND WHO MAKES THAT DECISION, IF THAT'S OKAY. THAT WELL, WE PROVIDE AN OVERALL NUMBER IN THE HOUSING ELEMENT CHAIR FOR EVERYBODY. THAT PLAN IS THE BOARD OPEN GROUP TONIGHT PROVIDES THE OVERALL NUMBER, THE 1 71 AND THE SUBSIDY, THE ACTUAL NUMBER OF EACH, UH, EACH SUBDIVISION WILL BE DETERMINED BY THE PLANNING BOARD WITHIN THE PARAMETER NATIONAL APPLICATION. THERE'LL BE A PUBLIC HEARING. THERE'LL BE, IF YOU'RE A NEIGHBOR, YOU'LL NOTICE 2200 FEET. YOU COME UP AND FIND OUT HOW ABOUT THE SCHOOL SYSTEM? YOU INFLUX ALL THESE HOUSES AND PEOPLE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GONNA BE ABLE TO HANDLE AND HAS THE SUPERINTENDENT BEING TO NOTIFY US. THE, THE THE SCHOOL BOARD KNOWS VERY WELL ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED. AND THE COUNCIL'S OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE DO THEY KNOW THEY HAVE TO ACCOMMODATE? THEY KNOW THAT THEY'RE PUTTING IN 800 NO HOUSES, LIKE 2001 CHILDREN. NO, DON'T FORGET OR MAXIMIZE OUR SENIOR, ONE OF THE STATE ALLOWED TO PROVIDE, UH, UP TO 30% OF OUR HUNDRED 71 WITH SENIOR HOUSING. IT DOESN'T HAVE ANY. SO THAT GOES INTO LOW INCOME HOUSING. BUT WE MAXIMIZE THEM WITH FLYING W WE MAXIMIZE THEM WITHIN IN THE TRIAL. I KNOW WE DON'T HAVE NO SAY IN WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN'S GONNA HAPPEN. WHAT EVEN THOUGH WE LIVED THERE, DON'T FEEL BACK. WE DIDN'T HAVE A SAY EITHER OTHER THAN WE SITES. THAT WAS THE POINT I MADE. THIS IS A STATE. I KNOW YOU'RE NOT TRAFFIC. WE'RE AT MORE, I UNDERSTAND MORE DIFFERENT PEOPLE COMING IN THAT WE DON'T KNOW. I UNDERSTAND. SO, BUT THAT'S OUR OBLIGATION. PROVIDE HAVING ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC. YES. MY NAME IS MICHAEL ON, UM, WHAT MY NEIGHBOR JUST SAID IS SO, SO TRUE. IT'S GOING TO BE A HIGHWAY ON OUR ROAD. I ALREADY HEAR TRAFFIC GOING BY ALL THE TIME. IT'S GONNA BE A HIGHWAY. I DID NOT MOVE TO MEDFORD. I GREW UP IN LAUREL AND I KNOW HOW BAD MOUNT LAUREL NOW BECAUSE MY MOM STILL LIVES IN MOUNT LAUREL. I DRIVE THERE ALMOST EVERY DAY. AND IT'S DISGUSTING, DISGUSTING. ALL THE APARTMENT BUILDINGS, ALL THE TOWN PASSES AND THE TRAFFIC, I DUNNO IF YOU KNOW MASONVILLE AT ALL. IT'S ONE LITTLE ROAD TOWN AND IT TAKES YOU 2, 9 5. NOW THERE ARE 5,000 MORE CARS THAT HAVE TO BE ON OUR LITTLE ROAD INDEPENDENCE LAND AND WE CAN'T EVEN GET OUTTA OUR ROAD. UNDERSTOOD. I THERE'S NO MINIMIZING THE FACT THAT THESE, THESE PROJECTS HAS IMPACT ON, WE TRIED TO MINIMIZE THAT INVESTMENT. SO WE HAVE NO SAY WHAT YOU'RE SAYING. IT'S, IT'S NOT WELL, YOU, YOU HAVE, YOU HAVE NO SAY OF WE HAVE NO, AS MR. PRIME SAYS, I, WE DON'T HAVE A SAY IN THIS, THIS, IT'S A STATE SUPREME COURT. IT'S, THERE WILL BE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WHAT WHAT WE DO HAVE SAY IS, IS THEY HAVE TO COME IN FRONT OF THE BOARD WITH THIS DEVELOPMENT. SO AS MR. PRIME SAID, THE CHARACTER OF THE BUILDING, THE LANDSCAPING, THE BUFFERS, WE DO HAVE SAY, AND THAT'S WHY WE BELIEVE THIS IS THE BEST REMEDY FOR OUR TOWNSHIP. I UNDERSTAND CORRECT. VERY BUSY. BUT TO ANSWER YOUR QUESTION ON THE NUMBER OF UNITS, THIS IS NOT A METFORD TOWN. THIS, THIS IS A STATE SUPREME COURT MANDATE. AND IT'S, I I DON'T KNOW IF I'M SAYING IT RIGHT, MR. PRIDE, BUT YOU KNOW, I, I UNDERSTAND THE UNCERTAINTY. I UNDERSTAND THAT PEOPLE ARE UPSET. UM, BUT I BELIEVE THAT I, MR. PRIME AND, AND OUR TEAM DID A FANTASTIC JOB BECAUSE IT COULD BE, IT COULD BE A LOT WORSE. IF YOU GOOGLE SOUTH BRUNSWICK, YOU COULD REALLY SEE WHAT WOULD HAPPEN TO A TOWN THAT, THAT, THAT DOESN'T DO WHAT MR. PRIME DID. YEAH, [00:40:01] WELL I KNOW ON MY ROAD WE HAD TO HAVE A HOUSE. YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW WHAT LED TO THE ORIGINAL MAL ROYAL CASE? MAL COUNTY HAD MINIMUM THE MAYOR OF THAT CASE, 1970 SUPREME COURT. YOU'RE GONNA PROVIDE THAT OUT. EVERY MUNICIPALITY PROVIDE, I UNDERSTAND THERE'S A LOT. WE ALL INCRE, I DON'T KNOW, BUT THERE'S NOTHING YOU CAN DO THEN. AND AS FOR THE SEWERS, MY PIPES WERE ALL BACKED UP AND I CALLED YOU GUYS FOR HELP A COUPLE WEEKS AGO. YOU CALLED ME . I CALLED THE TOWNSHIP. THE TOWNSHIP, OKAY. THEY COULDN'T EVEN FIND THE GRAPE ON THE ROAD TO TRY TO HELP ME FIND WHAT'S YOUR ADDRESS AGAIN? TWO 40. MY NEIGHBOR ACROSS THE STREET IS ALWAYS SEWER COMING UP ON HIS DROP OFF. ALWAYS. BUT THEY COULDN'T FIND MY, SO IT'S ACTUALLY COMING BACK TO MY YOU MEAN STORM SEWER? YOU WANT PUBLIC? WE'LL CHECK IT OUT. BUT THAT'S SOMETHING WE CAN HELP. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE PORT. BUT YOU MEAN STORM SEWER OR SEWER? SEWER? LIKE THE STORM SEWER. OH WOW, OKAY. YEAH. BUT YOU'VE ALSO MENTIONED ALL THE NEW HOUSES NEEDS TOO. RIGHT, RIGHT. THANK YOU. I'LL, I'LL FOLLOW UP ON THAT FOR YOU. THINGS, [11. General Public] ALL THESE, UM, NEW BUILDINGS ARE COMING IN AND YOU GOTTA BE ON THE RECORD. I'M SORRY. HI, MY NAME IS LISA 13 CHURCH ROAD. I'M SORRY MA'AM, I COULDN'T HEAR YOU. LISA. FIST TWO 13 CHURCH ROAD. MY, UH, COUPLE CONCERNS, UM, ABOUT THE SEWERS. I MEAN, FROM WHAT I HEAR HERE, WE WERE TOLD THAT THERE IS NO MORE ROOM FOR SEWER CAPACITY. THAT'S WHAT WE'VE HEARD. WHAT WHAT YOU MAY HAVE HEARD IS THAT WE HAVE TO RESERVE SEWER CAPACITY FOR AFFORD, THAT'S WHAT THE SEWER MAIL. BUT IT'S GOTTA BE USED, AFFORDABLE. THERE'S ENOUGH PERSON TO CALL COMMERCIAL SOMEBODY DONUT. NO RESIDENTIAL EXCEPT AFFORDABLE HOUSING. WE DON'T ALLOW ANYBODY TO BUILD HOUSING COUNTY EXCEPT FOR REQUIRED AFFORD. OKAY. MY SECOND CONCERN IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I THINK, UM, SOME OF MY NEIGHBORS SAID THERE ARE 32 KIDS IN EACH CLASS CURRENTLY. THAT'S A LOT OF KIDS. MEDFORD HAS EXCELLENT SCHOOLS. NOW YOU REALLY, ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THE INFLUX OF ADDITIONAL CHILDREN? AND ARE THESE HOMES THE, NOT JUST THE LOWER INCOME BECAUSE THEY'LL PAY PARTIAL TAXES, BUT THE MORE, UM, EXPENSIVE HOMES, WILL THEY START CONTRIBUTING TO THE SCHOOL TAXES IMMEDIATELY? ARE THERE ANY TAX BREAKS COMING? ARE THERE ANY TAX BREAKS GOING TO THE BUILDER? NO. THERE, THERE THEY ARE ELIGIBLE FOR PILOT MORTGAGE PAYMENTS. MOVE TAXES. IF THEY MEET CRITERIA ACCOUNT DECIDE THAT'S A FINANCIAL APPROVE THAT CORRECT. OKAY. SO THAT WOULD BE THE AFFORDABLE UNITS GET AN AUTOMATIC TAX BECAUSE THEY'RE, YOU, YOU CAN'T SELL 'EM. RIGHT. EXCEPT FOR ANOTHER, SO THEY GET A TAX BALANCE. BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OTHER HOME? THEY, THEY PAY REGULAR PROFIT TAXES TO APPROVE THE PURCHASE OF THE SCHOOLS AND LET THE TOWN APPROVE PILOT PROGRAM. OKAY, SO HOW IS, HOW ARE YOU GONNA, YOU HAVE 32 KIDS IN EACH CLASS NOW HOW ARE YOU GONNA MAKE ROOM FOR THESE ADDITIONAL CHILDREN THAT ARE COMING IN? BECAUSE IF YOUR SCHOOL SYSTEM READING GOES DOWN, IT IMMEDIATELY STICKS. UM, AFFECTS PROPERTY VALUES. YES. RIGHT. AND, AND CRIME RATES, IF THE PROPERTY VALUES STARTS GONNA GO, YOU DID IT. IF THE SCHOOL SYSTEM GOES DOWN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM, JUST LIKE WE'RE OBLIGATED TO PROVIDE HOUSE, THE SCHOOL SYSTEM OBLIGATED ANY CHILD BY THAT SYSTEM IN ME. THAT'S CORRECT. THEY'RE OBLIGATED. THEY HAVE NO CHOICE. ME HAS EXCELLENT SCHOOLS. I HAVE NO CHILDREN IN THE SCHOOL SYSTEM WILL NOT. BUT TO ME IT'S IMPORTANT THAT OUR SCHOOLS ARE HIGHER. I I UNDERSTAND. I AGREE. THE ONLY THING WE CAN DO IS TRY TO MAXIMIZE, BECAUSE INDICATED EARLIER, WE MAXIMIZE THE NUMBER OF SENIOR ALLOWED. AND ARE YOU, IS THE BOARD OF ED AND IS THE SCHOOL SYSTEM PREPARED CHILDREN? THEY HAVE NO CHILDREN. SO DOES THAT MEAN THAT BECAUSE YOU HAVE 32 KIDS IN EACH CLASS CURRENTLY, [00:45:01] ARE YOU GONNA HAVE TO BUILD ANOTHER SCHOOL AND WILL THAT OUR COUNTY, WE HAVE TO TAKE THIS AND THEN YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO PAY FOR ADDITIONAL TEACHERS. AND NOW FOR SOME REASON, WHEN UM, I WENT TO SCHOOL OR EVEN MY ELDEST DAUGHTER WENT TO SCHOOL, YOU DIDN'T HAVE FIVE PRINCIPALS AND, AND ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF ADMINISTRATORS AND NOT ENOUGH TEACHERS. WHY ARE SCHOOLS WITH ALL THESE BIG, ALL THESE ADMINISTRATORS AND NOT ENOUGH ACTUAL TEACHERS IN THE, IN THE CLASSROOMS TO TEACH THEM. WE'RE PAYING HIGH DOLLARS FOR ADMINISTRATORS AND YOU KNOW, WE NEED TO CONSIDER WHEN WE HAVE THESE ADDITIONAL CHILDREN COME IN, THEN WE'RE NOT PAYING ADMINISTRATORS A LOT OF MONEY AND NOT TAKING CARE OF THE FACT THAT IT'S GONNA BE, I I REALIZE THAT, BUT WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT THE SCHOOL. THESE ARE THINGS THAT WILL BE AFFECTED BY ALL OF THIS COMING IN AND THE SCHOOL BOARD IS GOING TO BE LIMITED IF THEIR CHOICES SCHOOL BOARD HAS TO MAKE I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT THIS IS PUTTING THANK YOU VERY MUCH. ARE YOU PREPARED FOR THIS? IF I MAY? UM, SO UP UNTIL LAST WEEK I HAD THREE CHILDREN THAT WERE SCHOOL AGED, ONE GRADUATED. THAT'S WHY I LIKE YOU. OKAY. UM, THERE'S, YOU KNOW, MEMBERS ON THIS BOARD AS WELL AS COUNCIL THAT HAVE CHILDREN IN, IN SCHOOL. AND WE'VE PERSONALLY FELT THE IMPACT OF HIGHER SCHOOLS CLASS SIZES AND SOME OF THE CHALLENGES YOU BROUGHT UP. SO, UM, BETWEEN, AND I CAN ONLY SPEAK FOR MYSELF AND, AND, UH, SOME OTHER MEMBERS OF COUNCIL, WE'VE ATTENDED EVERY SCHOOL BOARD MEETING FOR AT LEAST THE LAST TWO YEARS. UM, WE'VE SPOKEN UP ON THESE CHALLENGES. WE'VE HAD MEETINGS WITH THEIR BOARD, THEIR ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF. WE TOTALLY UNDERSTAND THAT THIS HAS TO BE PROACTIVELY PLANNED. BUT THE THINGS YOU MENTIONED, YOU'RE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT. THIS WILL HAVE AN IMPACT ON THE SCHOOLS. THEY WILL HAVE TO COME UP WITH, UM, ACCOMMODATIONS FOR ALL THE SCHOOL AGED CHILDREN THAT WILL BE COMING IN THROUGH ALL THE NEW HOUSING. SO, UM, IT, IT'S SOMETHING THAT WE ALL HAVE TO GO IN EYES WIDE OPEN AND BE PREPARED FOR. SO WE, BUT WE ARE LOOKING IN IT, IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT AN AFTERTHOUGHT. RIGHT. OKAY. YEAH. OKAY. YEAH. AND JUST TO CONFIRM, WE'RE UNASSOCIATED WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD AND THE SCHOOL SYSTEM. I UNDERSTAND WHAT THIS AFFECTS. ABSOLUTELY. TOTALLY. AND, AND I WOULD RECOMMEND THE SCHOOL BOARD MEETINGS CONTACTING YOUR LOCAL OF OFFICIALS IN THAT REGARD. WELL, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I DON'T HAVE SCHOOL AGE KIDS, SO I WASN'T, BUT NOW THAT THIS IS COMING UP, ABSOLUTELY. THIS IS SOMETHING TO BE CONCERNED ABOUT. YES. OKAY. AGREED. THROUGH THE CHAIR. UM, MRS. JUST ADDRESSING THE LAST SPEAKER. I AM, I AM ON THE SCHOOL BOARD, BUT I AM NOT ABLE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE SCHOOL BOARD. AS I'M SITTING HERE ON THE PLAYING BOARD, I WEAR DIFFERENT HATS. I WOULD JUST ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL OUR SUPERINTENDENT. SHE'S VERY ACCESSIBLE. SHE'LL TALK TO ANYONE. YOU DON'T HAVE TO HAVE STUDENTS IN THE DISTRICT. UM, I ENCOURAGE YOU TO COME TO A, A BOARD MEETING. THE, THESE ARE VERY HEAVY THINGS THAT WE ARE DEALING WITH AS SCHOOL BOARD MEMBERS. YOU KNOW, AGAIN, I'M NOT SPEAKING IN OFFICIAL CAPACITY ON BEHALF OF THE BOARD, BUT, UM, I REALLY ENCOURAGE YOU TO CALL OUR SUPERINTENDENT. SHE, SHE'S ACCESSIBLE, UM, AND WILLING TO TAKE ANY FEEDBACK AND IT'S, UM, IT WOULD, IT WOULD BE A GOOD IDEA. THANK YOU. ZACH WILSON, 51 NORTH MAIN STREET. UM, FIRST OF ALL, THANK YOU. I, UM, JUST APPRECIATE ALL OF THE THOUGHT THAT KIND OF HAS GONE INTO EDUCATING ALL OF US ON THE ELEMENTS OF THE FAIR SHARE PLAN AND THE HISTORY BEHIND IT. UM, THE CLARIFICATION THAT IT'S, YOU KNOW, THE 800 TO SATISFY THE OBLIGATION OF THE 1 71. I THINK THAT'S REALLY IMPORTANT FOR US. KIND OF UNDERSTAND, UM, I I PROBABLY HAVE A LITTLE BIT OF A DIFFERENT TAKE ON AFFORDABLE HOUSING THAN A LOT OF THE PEOPLE THAT YOU'RE GOING TO HEAR FROM. UM, I AM WHOLEHEARTEDLY IN SUPPORT OF IT. I THINK THAT WE HAVE THE, WE HAVE THE REQUIREMENT FROM THE STATE BECAUSE SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE TOWNS WERE MAKING IT HARDER FOR LOW AND LOW MIDDLE INCOME, UH, FAMILIES TO AFFORD HOUSING IN NEW JERSEY. AND I THINK IT IS AN OBLIGATION OF EVERY TOWN TO MAKE SURE THAT THOSE PEOPLE CAN BE PART OF THEIR COMMUNITY AND CAN LIVE THERE AND HAVE AN ACTUAL INVESTMENT IN THAT COMMUNITY. UH, AND I, AND I SUPPORT IT, SO PROBABLY WON'T WIN ME MANY FRIENDS, UH, UP HERE SUPPORTING THAT. BUT I WANNA SAY THAT I, I WHOLEHEARTEDLY SUPPORT IT. UM, I THINK THAT A TOWN THAT PROPERLY UNDERSTANDS THEIR OBLIGATIONS AND THAT DEVELOPMENT IS BETTER SUITED TO ABSORB AND MITIGATE THE IMPACTS OF THAT DEVELOPMENT. AND SO ALL OF THE THINGS THAT MY NEIGHBORS ARE BRINGING UP, UM, I THINK ARE VALID POINTS AND I'M REALLY LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING FROM THE [00:50:01] PLANNING BOARD, FROM THE COUNCIL, UH, ET CETERA, ON HOW WE'RE GOING TO, TO MITIGATE THOSE IMPACTS. SO LOOKING FORWARD TO HEARING ABOUT THAT, THOSE SPECIFIC ACTIONS. UM, I I WANTED TO JUST KIND OF TAKE A MOMENT THOUGH TO CLARIFY THE OBLIGATION OF THE NUMBER OF AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT WE HAVE VERSUS THE OBLIGATION OF HOW WE, HOW WE ACTUALLY MEET THAT NUMBER BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE TO MEET IT JUST WITH NEW DEVELOPMENT, UH, AREAS, RIGHT? SO YES, WE ARE HAVING THESE LARGER DEVELOPMENT PROJECTS THAT WILL NET US THE 1 71, BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT THE ACTUAL OBLIGATION IS. THE OBLIGATION IS TO HIT THE 1 71. AND I'M SURE THAT THERE HAS BEEN EFFORTS TO, TO GO THROUGH ALL OF THIS, BUT I WOULD VERY MUCH LIKE TO CONTINUE THE KIND OF SENSE OF EDUCATION THAT YOU'VE STARTED HERE TODAY TO UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE WAYS THAT WE'VE LOOKED TO MEET THAT OBLIGATED NUMBER, THE OBLIGATION OF THAT NUMBER WITHOUT ADDING ALL THE WAY UP TO THAT EXTRA 80%. UM, SO UNDERSTANDING, YOU KNOW, ARE WE LOOKING AT WAYS TO INCREASE OUR UPTAKE ON, UM, ON ADUS, RIGHT? SO THAT, THAT IS A WAY TO, TO MEET OUR, TO, TO OFFSET THAT NUMBER. IF WE CAN BRING THAT DOWN BY 30 THROUGH ADUS, THAT BRINGS DOWN THE NUMBER OF OVERALL DEVELOPMENT UNITS WE NEED TO BRING. SO ARE WE LOOKING AT STREAMLINED APPROVALS, OFFERING INCENTIVES? HOW CAN WE ENCOURAGE MORE ADUS? UM, ARE THERE, UH, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE LOCAL HOUSING TRUST. I'D LOVE TO HEAR MORE ABOUT HOW THAT KIND OF COMES INTO PLAY HERE AND HOW WE CAN LEVERAGE SOMETHING LIKE THAT TO CONVERT EXISTING HOUSING TO AFFORDABLE UNITS. UM, YOU KNOW, AGAIN, GRANTED IT'S AN EXPENSE, BUT I THINK THERE'S ALSO AN EXPENSE TO ADDING 800 UNITS AND IS THERE ACTUALLY AN ANALYSIS THAT SHOWS THAT IT'S BETTER TO ADD THE 800 VERSUS GOING ABOUT ADDING A LOWER AMOUNT THROUGH DIRECT PURCHASES OF, OF HOUSING AND THEN, UH, ALLOWING THE DEED RESTRICTIONS. SO THAT WOULD BE GREAT TO KNOW. UM, ACCELERATING PRODUCTION OF SPECIAL NEEDS AND SUPPORTIVE HOUSING. THAT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN DO THIS. HAVE WE, WHAT, WHAT ARE, WHAT ARE WAYS THAT WE LOOKED AT FOR THAT, UM, ALONG WITH THE GROUP SI KNOW, I KNOW THAT THAT'S A HOT TOPIC, BUT I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT AND I THINK IT'S ANOTHER WAY THAT WE CAN OFFSET OUR OBLIGATION TO DEVELOP LARGE LOTS OR LARGE PROJECTS BY MEETING, UM, BY MEETING OUR OBLIGATIONS THROUGH THOSE. SO I'D LOVE, AGAIN, JUST MORE UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THOSE THINGS WERE CONSIDERED, HOW THEY CAME INTO PLAY IN THE, IN OUR CURRENT FAIR SHARE PLAN. UM, SO THAT WE CAN UN SO THAT I, I THINK THE PUBLIC WOULD LOVE A BETTER UNDERSTANDING OF ALL OF THAT. UM, THE, THE OTHER, THE OTHER, THE LAST THING THAT I WANTED TO JUST ASK ABOUT WAS, YOU TALKED ABOUT THE PILOT RANKS, AND I DO UNDERSTAND BASED ON THE LAST COUNCIL MEETING, THAT THOSE LOTS THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT FOR THE DEVELOPMENT PLANS WERE REFERRED TO THE PLANNING BOARD FOR REZONING AS, UH, AREAS IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. AND SO THAT WOULD MAKE THEM ELIGIBLE FOR THE PILOT PROGRAM. SO HOW DOES THAT ACTUALLY I WOULD, I, I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW THAT WORKS. IF WE'RE TALKING ABOUT THE 80%, LIKE THE, THE LOW INCOME HOUSING, THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING, I MEAN, IS AUTOMATICALLY GRANTED THE, THE TAX, UM, EXEMPTION. YES. THE 80% GROUP YOU SAID WOULD PAY THE FULL TAXES UNLESS THERE'S A PILOT PLAN, BUT YOU'RE SAYING THERE WILL BE A PILOT PLAN FOR THESE GROUPS. SO NO, THAT HAS NOT BEEN DECIDED. OKAY. THEY WILL WANT, I GUARANTEE. RIGHT. AND THE COUNCIL HAS TO EVALUATE THE ECONOMICS OF, YOU KNOW, THEY HAD TO REDUCE THE, THE DEVELOP COUNT, THE MONEY. CORRECT. SO ALL THOSE YEAH, I, I, I, I WAS, I, I WAS TALKING MORE FOR AN UNDERSTANDING OF HOW THAT WORKS FOR THE DEVELOPER VERSUS THE PEOPLE THAT ARE COMING IN. WHAT, WHAT, WHAT, WHAT TAX ACTUALLY GETS EXEMPTED THROUGH THAT TYPE OF PILOT PROGRAM. IF THEY'RE FOR SALE, THERE'LL NO GUARANTEE ULTIMATE HOMEOWNER IF THEY WERE RENTAL. WE HAVE GIVEN TAX BREAKS, SUBSIDIZED REVENUE AS WE USE A LOT OF GROUP. WE USE ALL, WE DON'T HAVE ANYBODY WILLING TO DO IT. , WE ASKED, WE'VE REACHED OUT TO GROUP HOME DEVELOPERS, WE BELIEVE BECAUSE THEY'RE THREE UNITS, YOU KNOW, CAN'T GET, UM, WE USE A LONG AMOUNT THREE TO KEEP THAT NUMBER DOWN. THAT WAS 4 83 NUMBER 1 71. WE HAD TO KEEP THAT NUMBER DOWN. I CAN ASSURE YOU, YOU GOTTA MY WORD, BUT I, I WILL PROVIDE YOU THAT WE EVERY ALTERNATIVE THREE BEDROOM WE UNITS. SO WE EXERCISE ANY, YEAH. [00:55:01] OKAY. UM, YEP. THAT'S ALL. I, I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF BRING THOSE IDEAS UP JUST BECAUSE I I, I, I HAVEN'T HAD A CHANCE TO FULLY DIVE INTO THE FAIR SHARE PLAN ON JUST KIND OF LEARNING ABOUT THAT MYSELF NOW. SO, UM, UNDERSTANDING HOW THOSE THINGS WERE KIND OF ACCOUNTED FOR AND CONSIDERED I THOUGHT WOULD BE HELPFUL. SO THANK YOU VERY MUCH. APPRECIATE IT. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. I DO WANT DISCUSS, I DON'T WANNA MAKE A BIG DEAL ABOUT THIS, BUT I DON'T, THE PLANNING BOARD IS GONNA BE BOUND BY THE NUMBERS. THEY CAN'T SAY YOU CAN'T GO THE MAIN, THE, THE ARCHITECTURAL CONTROL, THE BUFFERING, THE LANDSCAPING, THE TRAFFIC, THE LOCATION OF TRAFFIC, THOSE TYPES OF THINGS. THINGS THAT WE CAN CONTROL. WE CAN'T CONTROL THE OVERALL NUMBERS, BUT WE CONTROL THAT. AT LEAST THAT, THAT ASPECT OF THE NO. OKAY. ANYONE ELSE FROM THE PUBLIC? NO. MY NAME IS MARIANNE . I HAVE A FEW QUESTIONS THAT I WOULD LIKE THE BOARD TO ANSWER. THERE'S A WORD CALLED COURAGE. I DON'T SEE THAT APPLIED TO METHOD EVER IN ANY CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE ANYBODY HAS THE STRENGTH TO BUCK WHAT PEOPLE THINK THEY NEED OR WHAT THEY WANT. SO WHEN IT COMES TO AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THERE'S NOTHING OBLIGATED TO TOWNSHIP TO MAKE THE AFFORDABLE HOUSING 300 UNITS. WITH THE 10% SET ASIDE. THERE'S NOTHING THAT BINDS A, A MUNICIPALITY TO APARTMENTS VERSUS THE CHANCE FOR SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING, THE OPPORTUNITY TO OWN IT. THERE ARE MANY AFFORDABLE HOUSING USING UNITS SPREAD THROUGHOUT THE TOWNSHIP THAT PEOPLE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO PURCHASE. IT ALLOWS THEM TO HAVE PRIDE OF OWNERSHIP, HOME EQUITY, SAFETY IN THEIR OWN OLDER YEARS. AND IT ALLOWS 'EM TO STAY WHERE THEY ARE. EVERYTHING THAT I'VE SEEN THAT'S COME BEFORE THIS BOARD HAS BEEN TO A DEVELOPER'S, UM, BENEFIT NOT TO SOMEBODY THAT NEEDS AFFORDABLE HOUSING. I HAVE WATCHED AS 92 UNITS ARE BUILT IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX. I'VE WATCHED AS 300 UNITS ARE BUILT WITH A 30% SET ASIDE. AND RIGHT NOW, FROM EVERYTHING THAT I CAN GATHER FROM OPRAH'S AND FROM NUMBERS THAT HAVE COME FROM THE TOWNSHIP, CURRENTLY THIS TOWNSHIP HAS 409 AFFORDABLE UNITS DESIGNATED COMES FROM YOU TO ME. THIS IS NOT SOMETHING I'M MAKING UP. THE NUMBER THAT CAN BE FOUND THAT WE ARE OBLIGATED TO NEED IS 286. SO WE'VE GOT A 4 0 9 AND A 2 86, YET WE HAVE A PARCEL THAT WAS JUST DEEMED IN NEED OF REDEVELOPMENT. HAVE NO IDEA HOW THAT HAPPENED. WE HAVE LAND SITTING ALONG ROUTE 70 THAT HAS BEEN STAGNANT, THAT THE TOWN FOUGHT FOR MANY, MANY YEARS NOT TO BE BUILT ON. YOU'VE GOT, UH, AFFORDABLE HOUSING BEING CITED IN RESIDE IN RURAL RESIDENTIAL AREAS. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY THERE ISN'T COURAGE ON THIS BOARD. I HAVE NO IDEA WHY SOMEBODY DOESN'T READ WHY YOU TAKE WHAT'S BEING TOLD TO YOU AS A FACT RATHER THAN FINDING AN OUT FOR YOURSELF. SO WHEN YOU START LOOKING AT AFFORDABLE HOUSING, SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT HAPPENS IS THE COURT PRINCIPLE PER THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY AT THE MOUNT LAUREL DECISION, WE'RE ALL VERY WELL AWARE OF ABOUT LAUREL LAUREL DECISION AND HOW IT HAPPENED. THE WOMAN THAT THE FIRST AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECT WAS NAMED AFTER, WENT TO THE TOWN OF MOUNT LAUREL AND ASKED FOR A PROJECT TO BE HELPED AND FAMILIAR. SHE WAS TURNED AWAY. NOT ONLY WAS SHE TURNED AWAY, SHE WAS HUMILIATED AND MOUNT LAUREL LIKE MR. PRIME SAID WE DON'T WANT THIS HERE. WELL, THAT IS ONE OF THE NICER, AFFORDABLE HOUSING PROJECTS AROUND. THEY DON'T HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY TO OWN THE PROPERTIES, BUT THEY SHOULD. MR. PRIME BUILT. BUT I DO BELIEVE, AND CORRECTLY IF I'M WRONG, MR. PRIME BUILT A, OR WAS A PARTNER IN A COUPLE OF SENIOR HOUSING PROJECTS WHERE AFFORDABLE HOUSING WAS INCLUDED, WHERE PEOPLE HAD, THROUGH TRIAD, THEY HAD THE OPPORTUNITY TO PUT AN APPLICATION IN AND OWN THE PROPERTIES. I DON'T THINK ANY OF THAT IS BEING PUT FORTH BEFORE THIS BOARD OR TO THE TOWNSHIP. WHEN YOU BOUGHT THE PROPERTY FOR CHERRYVILLE AND FOR KIRBY'S, YOU LAND BACKED. SO THE AT EXCESS LAND ON BOTH OF THOSE PROPERTIES. SO AT THE SCHOOL, WE ALREADY KNEW [01:00:01] THAT MR. SAMOS WAS COMING IN WITH A MAJOR PROJECT THAT WAS STALLED BECAUSE OF THE BANKRUPTCY. SO WE KNOW THAT IT'S LAND BANK, IT'S NEVER BEEN TALKED ABOUT. AND WHEN SOMEBODY SAYS, WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE GOING TO GO? WHERE ARE KIDS GONNA GO? BOTH OF THEM GO INTO THE NEW GAMES THAT ARE BUILT IN ADDITION TO THE OFFICE ROOMS. IT'S THE ONLY PLACE FOR THEM TO GO. SOMEBODY EXPLAINED TO ME WHY YOU WOULD PUT 300 UNITS UP TO GET 30 WHEN YOU COULD JUST BUILD THE 30 I I JUST WANT AN EXPLANATION ON WHY THAT'S HAPPENING AND WHY YOU MA YOU, YOU CAME IN A LITTLE LATE, RIGHT, MA'AM? I CAME A LITTLE LATE DUE TO WORK. YES. OKAY. SO I I THINK AND APPRECIATE ALL YOUR COMMENTS AS MR. PRIME SAID EARLIER, WE'RE HERE, YOU CAN'T BUILD 30 AFFORDABLE UNITS. 'CAUSE IT WOULD NEVER MAKE ECONOMIC SENSE. YOU ALREADY DID IT. NEVER. NO, WE DID IT WITH A TAX CREDIT JOB AND WE CAN ONLY GET SO MANY OF THEM. YOU CANNOT BUILD 30 UNITS OF A, THERE'S ONE BEHIND THE POLICE STATION. THERE WAS ANOTHER ONE PROPOSED. THE ONE BEHIND THE CVS. MR. PRIME CAN EXPLAIN. YOU WEREN'T HERE. WE CAN, WE CAN TELL YOU AGAIN. THAT WAS A TAX CREDIT JOB. THAT'S TOTALLY DIFFERENT. DO YOU WANT EXPLAIN THAT MR. PRIME? YES, YOU CAN HEAR MY PRESENTATION. YOU'RE NOT, I CAN'T WAIT TO THE POINT. I'M NOT CRITICIZ YOU. I'M JUST SAYING, I I, WE TALKED ABOUT ALL THIS, UM, THE MEN PROJECT BEHIND THIS BUILDING AFFORD AS WELL THEN DEPEND ON THERE NO BIG BUILDING. BIG, THERE'S A LIMITED NUMBER OF THE STATE WILL ONLY ALLOW YOU TO BUILD ONE EACH SITE. SO WE'VE ALREADY USED UP OUR ABILITY TO DO THAT BY THE VOLUNTEERS. PROJECT SQUARE. THERE'S NO AVAILABLE SITES FOR HUNDRED PERCENT AFFORDABLE PROJECT AND THEY ARE IN COMPETITION FOR 9% CASH PRICE. THAT'S THE REASON. SO LET ME ASK YOU A QUESTION AND, AND MA'AM YOUR PRIME IS UP ON THE WAY AND, AND, AND MA'AM IN THIS ROUND, YOU MIGHT NOT KNOW, MR. PRIME DID SAY IN HIS PRESENTATION, THESE ARE, IF I'M CORRECT, MR. PRIME, THIS ROUND, THEY ARE FOR SALE AFFORDABLES. THEY'RE NOT RENTALS, THEY'RE NOT A ROUTE. SO THIS, WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PEOPLE OO OTHER THAN THE, I SEE UNITS AND STALL UNITS ARE BECAUSE WE HAVE TO HAVE RENTAL UNITS AVAILABLE FOR CHILDREN THAT THEY WILL BE READY, RIGHT? EVERYTHING ELSE IS GONNA BE SUSTAINED. SO EVERY 10 YEARS, THE MUNICIPALITY'S OBLIGATED THE EVERY 10 YEARS, THE MUNICIPALITY'S OBLIGATION ARE REASSESSED BASED ON FACTORS LIKE JOB GROWTH, EXISTING AFFORDABILITY, AND ANOTHER, AND A NUMBER OF LOW AND MODERATE INCOME HOUSEHOLDS EVERY 10 YEARS. I TRIED TO FIND THE LAST ONE YOU DID AND I CAN'T. SO MY QUESTION IS, WHERE IS IT? AND IF WE HAVE AN OBLIGATION FOR 2 86 AND WE HAVE 4 0 9, I DON'T ORIGINATING THESE NUMBERS. STATE 4 0 9 WAS SENT TO ME BY THE MUNICIPALITY WHEN I SENT IT OVER IN FOR HOW MANY EXISTING AFFORDABLE HOUSING UNITS WE HAD. THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE PROSPECTIVE NEED, NEW UNITS. THE STATE DETERMINED THAT. THEY DETERMINED IT LAST NOVEMBER. SENT US THE NUMBER. WE HAD TO ANALYZE IT AND GAVE, AGREED IT, OR WE AGREED TO IT. WE LOOKED INTO IT. UM, HAS TWO 20, HAS TWO 40 ADDITIONAL HAS FOUR 50 ADDITIONAL. WE HAVE 1 71. THE STATE GAVE US THE NUMBER. WE DIDN'T NUMBER, WE DIDN'T DETERMINE THE NUMBER. THE STATE GAVE US NUMBER ALL. SO I'M GONNA ASK THIS DIRECTLY. DID ANYBODY HAVE THE RESOURCES OR DID ANYBODY SPEND THE MONEY FOR A PROFESSIONAL TO SHIFT THOSE NUMBERS AND TO VERIFY WHAT THEY'RE SAYING? YES. ON THE OBLIGATION? YES. I CHECKED THEM IN THE PAST FOUR, FIVE PERIOD. I CAN TAKE A HALF HOUR. THERE'S FOUR CRITERIA I'VE MENTIONED IN MY PRESENTATION. LAND AVAILABILITY, INCOME SUITABILITY METHOD, THAT GOOD NUMBERS BECAUSE NOT A VERY HIGH INCOME METHOD. HENCE YOU CAN AFFORD MORE SUBSIDIES, MORE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. THOSE UNITS, UH, THOSE NUMBERS WERE CALCULATED BY THE STATE. WE LOOKED AT CHALLENG AND WE FELT PRETTY CHALLENG TIME. SO HAS ANYBODY LOOKED INTO THE FACT THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE APARTMENTS, THAT THEY COULD BE AFFORDABLE UNITS THAT COULD BE PURCHASED BY PEOPLE TO HAVE HOME OWNERSHIP? OR ARE YOU JUST ON A PATH FOR APARTMENTS? ALL THESE UNITS, THERE ARE NO APARTMENTS IN ROUTE FOUR. THEY'RE ALL PURCHASABLE. THEY'RE ALL PURCHASABLE. EXCEPT FOR THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO HAVE IN READILY BECAUSE THE STATE REQUIRES 25% OF THE 171 HAS TO BE AVAILABLE FOR RENT, FOR FAMILY AND CHILDREN. SO IF I, AND I'M SORRY FOR COMING LATE TO THE PARTY, I TRY TO GET THEM ON TIME. SO WHAT YOU'RE SAYING IS THAT WHAT YOU'RE GONNA PUT OUT TO THE COMMUNITY IS GOING TO BE PURCHASABLE AFFORDABLE HOUSING. AND WHERE ARE THE ADDITIONAL RENTAL [01:05:01] UNITS BEING PLACED IN AN APARTMENT COMPLEX WITH SETA ASIDES, OR IS IT GOING TO BE JUST THE NUMBER OF APARTMENTS THAT YOU NEED FOR RENT? NO APARTMENT SET, APARTMENT 20% SET ASIDE IN ANOTHER LARGE COMMERCIAL APARTMENT COMPLEX. THE STATE REGULATIONS REQUIREMENTS CAN'T PUT JUST A BUILDING OF AFFORDABLE HOUSING AND ALL THE NICE HOUSES OVER HERE. THEY CAN BE IN THEIR OWN BUILDING, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE INTEGRATED. SO THAT'S PART OF THE LAYOUT. DO YOU KNOW, I'M GONNA GO FURTHER IN, INTO THE SEARCH BECAUSE I DON'T LIKE TO COME FORWARD WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION. WHEN I STARTED TO READ AND I'M READING AND I'M RESEARCHING, I'M NOT JUST COMING UP HERE. I DON'T, I REALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND. YOU'VE GOT LAND SITTING AROUND 70 THAT'S SCHEDULED FOR, UM, BUILDING, I DUNNO WHAT THE LEGAL TIE UP IS MY UNDERSTANDING. FIRST IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE APARTMENTS WITH A THREE STORY PARKING GARAGE. THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A DEADLY VILLAGE. THEN IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE HOUSING THAT STANDARD AND, AND THE CMOS. AND NOW YOU'RE SHOTGUNNING SPREADING OUT. THE THING THAT HAD ME COME HERE TONIGHT WAS THAT DESIGNATION OF REDEVELOPMENT ON A FARM ON 5 41. AND I'M TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHY, WHY? AND THERE'S NOTHING IN THIS TOWN THAT I'VE SEEN HAPPEN THAT DOESN'T HAVE A PURPOSE OR PLAN BEHIND IT. AND THEN ALL OF A SUDDEN THE TOWN FINDS OUT THERE'S IT, IT IS NOT SETTING RIGHT NOW. FOSTER TOWN ROAD, WE'VE READ ABOUT IT FOR A VERY LONG TIME, WHERE THE CLIENT W IS VERY LONG TIME. MY UNDERSTANDING IS IT WAS ONE TO BE MOSTLY SENIOR, BUT WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT'S HAPPENING TO OUR SCHOOLS AND WHAT IS HAPPENING TO THE INFRASTRUCTURE, THE STRESS ON THE POLICE FORCE, THE SCHOOLS, MA'AM, I I DON'T MEAN TO CUT OFF. I UNDERSTAND. I HAVE APOLOGIZE. I APOLOGIZE. BUT THIS IS A STATE SUPREME COURT. UNDERSTAND THIS IS NOT MEDFORD. SO YOU SAY WE DON'T HAVE COURAGE. I I DON'T WANNA SAY I TAKE OFFENSE TO IT. I UNDERSTAND YOUR STATEMENT, BUT IN A WAY I DO. THIS BOARD IN THIS TOWN HAS TONS OF COURAGE. THEY, THEY SETTLED THIS OBLIGATION. SO WE CAN CONTROL IT THE BEST POSSIBLE WAY. WE COULD BE FACED WITH MUCH MORE UNITS IF WE DIDN'T DO THIS. THIS IS A STATE. IF REACH OUT TO YOUR ASSEMBLYMEN, REACH OUT TO YOUR STATE SENATOR. THIS IS NEW JERSEY. THIS IS EVERY TOWN. MR. PRIME JUST SAID MOUNT LAUREL IS FACED WITH HOW MANY? 4 431 400. JUST TO BE CLEAR. NO, I NEED YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT, MA'AM. THAT MEANS THEY'RE GOING TO BE SPACE THEY'RE FACING WITH THOUSANDS OF MORE UNITS BECAUSE IT'S 20%. SO THAT'S 2000 MORE HOUSES ARE GONNA BE BUILT IN MOUNT LAUREL. THIS ISN'T A MEDFORD THING. SO I UNDERSTAND YOUR CONCERN WITH THE SCHOOLS. ALL THESE ARE VALID. I ABOUT THE SCHOOLS. WELL, ALL THIS IS VALID, BUT IT, IT'S SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO WITH. IT'S, IT'S ABOUT THE WHOLE CONCEPT OF, OF THE PLANNING OF THE TOWN MATTER. WELL, THIS, I'M NOT CONCENTRATING ON THE SCHOOL SYSTEM SO MUCH AND I'M GONNA STOP BECAUSE I DO THINK I'VE OVER SPOKE. BUT WHEN I SAY COURAGE, WHO'S GONNA BE THE FIRST MUNICIPALITY THAT'S GONNA STATE THERE? IT'S A SUPREME COURT. THERE'S NOWHERE TO GO. I UNDERSTAND IT'S A SUPREME COURT. THERE'S, THERE'S NO, I'M NOT A LAWYER. THE DENSITY, WE HAVE TWO LAWYERS HERE. I, I DON'T, THE DENSITY AMOUNT, LAUREL IS THREE TIMES OF THE DENSITY IN ME BECAUSE WE HAVE PLANES. SO I STILL THINK THAT THE WAY THE DENSITY IS INCREASING HERE DOESN'T HAVE TO BE WELL AFTER. I WILL, I'LL EDUCATE MYSELF, YOUR HONOR, AFTER THIS, AFTER THIS, CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG, MR. PRIME, WE'RE NOT OBLIGATED TO DO MORE HOUSING. WE, WE NO ONE CAN SUE US FOR. RIGHT. NO ONE CAN COME IN AND SUE US. MR. SAMOS PIECE. THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS. SO WE ARE IN COMPLIANCE WITH THIS. SO THAT'S A GOOD THING. IT REALLY, REALLY IS. AND I UNDERSTAND YOU SEE THIS. IT'S A SUPREME COURT. I IF YOU GO ANY HIGHER THAN STATE SUPREME COURT FOR SOMETHING LIKE THIS, I UNDERSTAND THE COURT CASES. I UNDERSTAND. I'VE WATCHED THEM AND I'VE LISTENED TO THEM. ALRIGHT? SO I'M NOT UNEDUCATED IN THAT FAR. I JUST AS I'M DISAPPOINTED. I, I, THAT'S ALL I I'M, I YOU'RE NOT ALONE. I'M DISAPPOINTED. THANK YOU. IS THERE ANYONE ELSE OKAY, MR. I HAVE TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC. SURE. I MAKE A, UH, ANYONE HAVE A, A MOTION TO CLOSE? I MOVE THAT WE CLOSE THE PUBLIC. COMMENT SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OKAY. OKAY. UM, [01:10:01] THANK YOU EVERYONE FOR YOUR COMMENTS. WE UNDERSTAND IT'S DIFFICULT. OKAY. SO AT THIS POINT, THE BOARD HAS NUMBER BOARD, HAVE ANY QUESTION OF, OF MAKING IT'S NOT TOM, MOTION TO ADOPT THE RESOLUTION. 14. OKAY. DO WE HAVE A MOTION TO ADOPT RESOLUTION 14 DASH 2025? THE FAIR SHARE. OH, SORRY. MR. CAMERON JULIANI. UM, PRIOR TO, UM, READING OR VOTING ON THE RESOLUTION, UM, IF I MAY JUST MAKE A FEW COMMENTS, UM, BEYOND SURE. PUBLIC COMMENTS. AND I DEFINITELY WANT TO THANK EVERYBODY WHO CAME. AND, UM, I HAVE A PREPARED STATEMENT THAT I PREPARED. I'M PROBABLY GONNA READ PARTS OF IT HERE, BUT JUST LIKE ALL OF YOU, YOU KNOW, I'M A CONCERNED RESIDENT. I DON'T WANT THE CHARACTER OF MEDFORD TO CHANGE, BUT I, I DO FEEL VERY STRONGLY THAT WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO PROVIDE AFFORDABLE HOUSING TO OUR NEIGHBORS. IT'S, IT'S A PART OF WHAT WE DO AS A SOCIETY, RIGHT? UM, WE UNDERSTAND THE CHALLENGES THIS IS GONNA BRING TO OUR POLICE FORCE, OUR MUNICIPAL SERVICES, OUR ROADS, THE EXISTING NEIGHBORS THAT ARE HERE. UM, THERE'S CHALLENGES WE FACE WITH WHERE THIS CAN GO. UM, YOU KNOW, EVERY, I, I BELIEVE EVERY REPRESENTATIVE HERE OF THE PUBLIC IS, IS FROM NORTH OF 70. UM, IF WE COULD DISPERSE THIS IN, IN ANOTHER FASHION SOUTH OF 70, WE, WE WOULDN'T ENTERTAIN THAT. BUT WITH PINELANDS, IT'S NEXT TO IMPOSSIBLE. UM, WE WOULD GET HELD UP, IT WOULD GET, IT WOULDN'T GET APPROVED. AND THEN BUILDER'S REMEDY WOULD KICK IN BECAUSE THE PROPERTY'S CLOSER ON YOUR SIDE OF, OF 70. THEY WOULD HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THE BUILDER'S REMEDY. SO, UM, WE'RE TALKING WITH THE SCHOOL BOARD. UM, THERE'S MEMBERS OF THE SCHOOL BOARD ON THIS BOARD AS WELL. UM, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE'RE, WE DON'T DESIRE TO CHANGE THE CHARACTER OF MEDFORD. THAT'S NOT WHAT WE'RE HERE TO DO. UM, WE'RE HERE TO PRESERVE IT, BUT WE DO HAVE AN OBLIGATION, AND IT'S OUR GOAL THROUGH THIS PROCESS AND WHAT THE STATE'S MANDATED TO, TO DO WHAT WE HAVE TO DO TO, UH, ACCOMMODATE THAT FAIR SHARE HOUSING. SO, UM, THIS IS VERY CHALLENGING. NO ONE'S UP HERE SAYING, WE WANT THIS TO HAPPEN. WE NEED IT TO HAPPEN BECAUSE IT'S OUR FAIR SHARE. IT'S WHAT MEDFORD NEEDS TO DO FOR THE RESIDENTS OF NEW, FOR THE, THE POPULATION OF NEW JERSEY TO PROVIDE THE FAIR SHARE HOUSING PIECE THAT WE HAVE. UM, THAT'S IT. WHEN IT, I KNOW WE, WE TALKED ABOUT TAXES. UM, WHEN IT COMES TO TAXES, IT IS A BURDEN ON TAXES. RESIDENTIAL POPULATIONS, WE'RE THE ONES THAT CONSUME ALL THE TAX, ALL THE MUNICIPAL SERVICES. SO, UM, YOU KNOW, OUR POLICE, OUR FIRE, OUR EMS, THOSE ARE, THOSE WILL BE STRESSED IN THIS. AND, AND WE'RE GONNA FIND WAYS TO, TO WORK THROUGH THESE CHALLENGES. BUT, UM, THIS IS SOMETHING WE HAVE TO DO. SO, UM, OUR GOAL TODAY IS TO PASS THIS RES, IS TO VOTE ON THIS RESOLUTION, AND THEN WE'LL BE ABLE TO MANAGE THROUGH THIS PROCESS THE BEST WE CAN. IF WE DON'T, AND WE FIGHT IT AS THE EXAMPLES WERE BROUGHT UP, IT'S, IT'S ONLY GONNA BE WORSE. YOU WON'T HAVE REPRESENTATIVES OF YOUR TIME, YOUR NEIGHBORS MAKING THESE DECISIONS. YOU'LL HAVE THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY MAKING THESE DECISIONS FOR US. SO THIS IS, WE GOTTA SWALLOW HARD HERE. THIS IS THE BEST PATH FORWARD TO PROVIDE OUR FAIR SHARE HOUSE. HOW MUCH TIME DO WE HAVE, MA'AM? THESE, THESE, AND I'LL SAY THEY HAVE TO MAKE AN APPLICATION. THERE'S, THIS IS A LONG, IT'S NOT GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT. THEY HAVE TO PUT IN AN APPLICATION IF THEY GET THE WHAT? ENDANGERED SPECIES AND STUDIES AND WETLANDS. AND THESE AREN'T SOMETHING THAT ARE GONNA HAPPEN OVERNIGHT, I BELIEVE. AM AM I RIGHT? SINCE 2035. THIS GOES THROUGH, YOU KNOW, THIS SETS THE OBLIGATION FOR 10 YEARS. THIS IS THE FIRST STEP. THERE'S THREE STEPS, UH, BEYOND THIS HAVE TO BE. UM, I, I WOULD BE SURPRISED MATTER. NOT, NOT, NOT AN EXAMPLE OF FLYING W FROM ROUND THREE. STILL DOESN'T HAVE EQUIPMENT FROM THE STATE THAT GOING ON FOR THREE YEARS ALMOST. OKAY. AND THEY HAVE NO APPLICATION IN FRONT OF THIS BOARD AT ALL? NO. NO. THEY CAN'T DO. SO YOU DON NOTHING. OH, YES. I I I GREW UP AND NEVER LEFT. OKAY. YEAH. YOU WANT 800 PEOPLE BEHIND YOUR HOUSE. THAT'S A QUESTION. I UNDERSTAND. THAT'S JUST A FAIR QUESTION, RIGHT? YES. NO, FAIR QUESTION. EVEN [01:15:01] IF IT'S ONLY THREE, I UNDERSTAND. NO, YOU DON'T WANT VOTE, RIGHT? NO, THEY HAVE, WELL, AS I SAID, THIS ISN'T, TH THIS ISN'T OUR CHOICE, SIR. YEAH. THIS ISN'T OUR CHOICE. IT IS, LIKE I SAID, REACH OUT TO YOUR SENATOR OR EMMAN. THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT WE ARE DOING. AND I DO, I DO WANT TO THANK EVERYONE, UH, FOR COMING, YOU KNOW, FOR ME. I'M SORRY IF I CUT YOU OFF. NO, PLEASE. AND ESPECIALLY MR. PRIME AND YOUR OFFICE, AND YOU AND MR. NOLAN WORKING WITH, YOU KNOW, UH, I, I KNOW THAT'S NOT AN EASY NEGOTIATION AND I KNOW IT TAKES A LONG TIME AND THERE'S SO MANY MOVING PARTS. UM, AND, AND I THINK OUR PROFESSIONALS DID A FANTASTIC JOB. I, I, YOU KNOW. YEAH. SO, AND, AND I UNDERSTAND PEOPLE BEING UPSET. THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO, YEAH. YEAH. SO, OKAY. THANK YOU FOR THAT TIME. SO AT THIS TIME, WOULD I MAKE A MOTION? YOU, YOU CALL FROM ASK FOR A MOTION. OKAY. SOMEONE, YEAH. SOMEONE WANNA MAKE A, UH, A MOTION TO APPROVE, UH, UH, WHAT WAS IT AGAIN? UH, 14. YEAH. 14 TWO, UH, 2025. SO MOVED. I SECOND. IS THAT CORRECT? YES. SECOND. SECOND. OKAY. MAYOR SOFF. AYE. DEPUTY MAYOR CIVIC. AYE. MS. LOPEZ? AYE. MR. ANA? AYE. VICE CHAIRMAN PERS AYE. AND CHAIRMAN GIULIANI. AYE. THANK YOU. THANK YOU. YOUR OKAY. UM, THANK YOU MR. I THINK AT THIS TIME THERE'S NO RIGHT THAT THAT GOT PUSHED. RIGHT? RIGHT. SO CORRECT. DSC AND G APPLICATION IS GENERAL. ALRIGHT, SO AT THIS TIME, WHAT, WHAT DO WE DO? UH, GENERAL PUBLIC. YEAH, THE GENERAL. IS THERE ANYTHING FROM THE GENERAL PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON ANY MATTER? WHAT'S THAT? RIGHT ON ANY MATTER. ON ANY MATTER. RIGHT. ON ANY MATTER. OKAY. THERE'S ADDITIONAL OPPORTUNITY NOW FOR JUST GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT IF YOU'D LIKE TO MAKE A GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT. OKAY. . ALRIGHT. THANK YOU. OKAY. HEY GUYS, WE'RE GONNA SPLIT, BUT THANK YOU VERY MUCH. THANK YOU. NO WRAP ON. AYE YOUR GUYS, WE NEED A MOTION TO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CO CLOSE PUBLIC COMMENT. EXCUSE ME. SECOND. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? . UH, OKAY. I'LL ALSO MAKE THE MOTION TO ADJOURN. SECOND. OKAY. ALL IN FAVOR? AYE. AYE. AYE. OPPOSED? THANK YOU EVERYONE. THANK YOU. * This transcript was created by voice-to-text technology. The transcript has not been edited for errors or omissions, it is for reference only and is not the official minutes of the meeting.