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GOOD EVENING EVERYONE.[1. Convening of Meeting]
UM, WELCOME TO THE APRIL 16TH, 2025 MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD OF ADJUSTMENT MEETING.UH, MAY I HAVE THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETING STATEMENT? CERTAINLY, MADAM CHAIR, THIS MEETING'S HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC'S MEETINGS ACT.
ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PUBLISHED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OR THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD SETTING FORTH THE TIME PLACE IN MATTERS TO BE ADDRESSED.
UM, IF EVERYONE COULD PLEASE STAND FOR THE FLAG.
TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA ON NATION.
UNDER NOW IN WITH FURTHER LIBERTY JUSTICE.
DO YOU HAVE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NOTHING TO I JUDGE.
[6. Minutes]
EVERYONE HAVE A CHANCE TO REVIEW THE MEETING MINUTES FOR MARCH? MARCH? YES.AND IF NO ONE HAS ANY, UM, CHANGES OR ANYTHING, I'LL TAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES.
DO WE NEED TO ROLL PAUL? ALL IN FAVOR? AYE.
[8. Memorialization of Resolutions]
MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 17.EUGENE AND THERESA WELSH 20 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 2 LOT 76 APPROVING BOTH VARIANCES FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE REAR AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM LOCK COVERAGE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SWIMMING POOL.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION? MOTION APPROVE.
HAS READ SECOND YOU SECOND YOU SECOND.
RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 18 ERIC HENDERSON.
FOUR NAUGHTY OAK DRIVE BLOCK 32 0 2 POINT 19.
LOT 15 APPROVING BOTH VARIANCES FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE REAR YARD SETBACK EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM SIZE ALLOWABLE AND THE NUMBER OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES PERMITTED.
I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION SECOND THAT CHAIRMAN
RESOLUTION 2025 DASH 19 CHRISTOPHER LES.
11 PRIOR TUCK DRIVE BLOCK 27 0 3 0.8 LOT SEVEN APPROVING A VARIANCE FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE FIVE FOOT SIDEBAR SETBACK FOR AN EXISTING SHED.
[9. Applications]
OF THE NIGHT, MICHAEL AND SHANNON CALLUSY.2 9 8 HARFORD ROAD BLOCK 2 0 2, LOT 2.02.
SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE ENCOURAGING INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM HEIGHT FOR A COURT FENCE FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF AN ATHLETIC TURF FIELD.
YOU SAID HE'S GONNA BE LAST FOR THE RECORD.
LOOKS LIKE IT'S JUST BACKWARDS.
JUST GIVE US, IT TURNED AROUND BEFORE THOUGH, DIDN'T IT? IT TURNED AROUND WHEN YOU DID IT BEFORE.
LAST, LAST ONE MORE IT, WE SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THIS SHOULD BE LOOKING AT THE UH,
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RED DOT.IT'S STILL FACING THAT WAY QUICKLY.
CAME AROUND AND THEN WENT BACK AGAIN AND THEN WENT BACK.
OF COURSE THE AUDIO IS ON SO YOU CAN STILL PROCEED.
IS IT JUST YOU TONIGHT? YEAH, MY HUSBAND'S IN THE HOSPITAL.
SO IT JUST HAPPENED BUT HE SAID PLEASE JUST GO.
SO THIS AND TRY TO GET THIS OVER.
UM, OKAY, SO WE HAVE AN UPDATED, UM, SURVEY LETTER.
AND WE WERE GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY TO GO OUT AND UM, SEE THE YARD.
DID EVERYBODY GO? NO, I DID NOT.
UM, SO THERE'S SOME ADDITIONAL INFORMATION THAT WE WERE PROVIDED ALSO IN THE LETTER.
MR. TAYLOR, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT TO JUST CLARIFY THAT THE UPDATES THAT WERE MADE SINCE THE LAST APPLICATION SINCE THEY WERE LAST IN FRONT OF THE BOARD, WE CAN, UH, CHAIR THANK YOU THIS EVENING.
UM, AS IDENTIFIED IN OUR APRIL NINE REPORT, WHICH WAS WE APPLICATION ALSO THE VARIANCES THAT I REQUESTED, UH, THOSE ARE THE 15% IS THE MAXIMUM COVERAGE ALLOWED.
16.1%, UH, 50 FOOT REQUIRED ACCESSORIES, RECREATION SIDE YARD REQUIRED AND 9.4 PROPOSED.
THEY HAVE ELIMINATED AND SHOWN THE PORTION OF THE LANDSCAPE TIES IN TURF THAT WERE PREVIOUSLY LOCATED ATION AREA BE ON.
UM, AS AS NOTED, THE LAST MEETING, UM, THE APPLICANT REQUIRES A 20 VARIANCE FROM 24 FOOT HIGH FENCE, UH, TO BE 9.8 FEET FROM THE PROPERTY LINE WHERE THE ORDINANCE PERMITS A MAXIMUM AND THAT REQUIRED THE 50 FOOT ACCESSORY STRUCTURE SET THAT UH, SO THOSE WERE IDENTIFIED.
THE PPLICANT ALSO SUBMITTED, UH, INFORMATION ON THE LIGHTING AND SHOWED A CANDLE DISTRIBUTION TO THAT.
IT DOES SHOW SOME SIGNIFICANT ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY TO THE NORTH EXCESS ONE FOOT.
UM, BY WAY OF REFERENCE, MOST MUNICIPAL ORDINANCE REQUIRE ABOUT A HALF A FOOT CANDLE WITHIN THE PARKING LOT FOR SAFE, UH, PARKING AND PEDESTRIAN.
SO WE CLOSE ALL THAT ACTUALLY PROPERTY.
UH, IT'S A FAIRLY BRIGHT LIGHT, UH, AND A VERY HOT LIGHT TYPE OF LIGHT AND WE'VE MADE SOME SUGGESTIONS RELATIVE TO SHIELDING OF THOSE FIXTURES AND INWARD DOWNWARD TO MINIMIZE, UH, ANY OF THOSE OFFSITE IMPACTS, UH, TO THE NEIGHBORHOODS.
AND SPECIFICALLY FOR THAT, FOR THAT PROPERTY IS THAT, THAT IS NOT, UM, THE ONLY THING I, AM I ALLOWED TO TALK? YEAH.
SO FOR THAT, THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS ADJACENT TO THE LEFT IS NOT THE NEIGHBOR THAT WAS THE ONE IN CONCERN.
UM, THEIR SON IS AT OUR HOUSE EVERY DAY THAT THEY'RE ON THE FIELD EVERY DAY THEY HAVE A POOL TREE LINE.
UM, WE HAD THOUGHT TO ASK THEM OF, YOU KNOW, IF THEY WRITE A LETTER OR SAY ANYTHING, BUT THEY ARE ALSO, IT'S, THEY WANNA STAY NEUTRAL MM-HMM
BUT THEY DIDN'T SHOW UP OBVIOUSLY TO THE FIRST MEETING THAT IT'S NOT AFFECTING THEM.
UM, AS FAR AS THE LIGHT IS A WARM LIGHT, THE ACTUAL FIELD LIGHTS, UM, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE OUT TO SEE IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF HE PER SE WAS OUT THERE TO SEE IT LIKE NATURALLY.
SO I DON'T KNOW, YOU KNOW, WHAT THEIR OUTCOME WAS WITH, BY LOOKING AT IT, IF THEY FELT THAT THE NEIGHBOR THAT WAS IN CONCERN, I FEEL THAT THERE WAS NO EFFECT ON HIM.
IT'S JUST THE NEIGHBOR THAT IS ADJACENT TO US WHERE IT SPILLS OVER.
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RIGHT.THEIR HOUSE SITS UP, IT'S A FULL TREE LINE.
UM, SO I DUNNO, THEY DIDN'T COME TO, THEY'RE OBVIOUSLY NOT BOTHERED BY IT SPENDS THEIR EVERYDAY CLAIM.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW HOW WE HANDLE THAT.
IF THERE IS SOMETHING LIKE A SHIELD THAT HAS TO GO UP MM-HMM
I'LL JUST MAKE A COMMENT ON THAT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT JUST THAT NEIGHBOR'S PERSPECTIVE.
IT'S, WE HAVE A, WE HAVE A RESPONSIBILITY I UNDERSTAND TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS, BUT THAT'S AT THAT POINT, AND I KNOW HE IS NOT HERE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF WHY THESE RULES ARE IN PLACE.
SO WE TO LOOK THAT, SO THIS SHIELD, HOW DO I GO FORWARD? IS THIS SOMETHING THAT WE THEN HAVE PUT IN, INSTALLED IT WHEN THE TIMEFRAME THAT WE GOT THE LETTER IN, IN RETURN FROM OUR SURVEYS, THAT THERE'S, IT HAS TO BE SOMETHING LIKE THAT HAS TO BE ORDERED AND THEN GONNA HAVE TO HAVE THEM COME BACK OUT, WHICH WE WILL DO MM-HMM
BUT THEN DO I HAVE TO HAVE YET ANOTHER SURVEY DONE OR IS IT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE, COME OUT, A PICTURE BE TAKEN TO SHOW DOCUMENTATION SIGNED SAYING IT WAS DONE? MM-HMM
IS MY CONCERN IS ASKING MIKE, HOW DO WE GO FORWARD FROM HERE? SO THAT CAN TYPICALLY BE DONE.
WE DON'T HAVE THE SPECIFICS ON THE MASTER HARDWARE.
MOST OF THOSE MIXTURES ARE SET, UM, ON BRACKET WHERE THEY CAN BE AIM TO BE AIMED FURTHER DOWN, AIM FURTHER IN TOWARD THE SITE.
UM, THAT CAN BE ACCOMPLISHED IN ONE OF A COUPLE WAYS.
ONE IS IT'S NOT UNCOMMON PLANNING WORK ERRANDS FOR CONDITION OF THE APPROVAL.
WHETHER THERE BE A UNIT FUNCTION, LIGHT TEST GETS DONE WHERE THE PROPERTY LINE, UM, SO THAT BE DONE, WHETHER IT IS SHIELDING OR REDIRECTION OF THE LIGHT.
THE ONLY THING I'LL OFFER TO THE BOARD IS THIS VARIANCE WOULD BE FOREVER.
AND IT RUNS WITH THE, SO EVEN THOUGH THE CURRENT NEIGHBOR MAY NOT HAVE AN ISSUE WITH IT, THEY CAN SELL THE HOUSE.
THE NEXT NEIGHBOR MAY NOT WANNA NECESSARILY TESTING AFTER I JUST, I GO BACK TO YOUR NUMBER EIGHT WHERE IT SAYS SHIELDS ARE REQUIRED TO, I MEAN, IT'S NOT A SHIELDING THING.
IT COULD BE DONE BY ADJUSTING NOT HAVING TO PUT SHIELDS ON IT OR IS THAT MANDATORY? YOU KNOW, WITHOUT KNOWING THE PARTICULARS AND HAVING THESE WHOLE SPECIFICATIONS ON THE LIGHTS, LIGHTING MANUFACTURERS HAVE A HOOD OR A SHIELD.
AND GO ON EITHER SIDE OR THE TOP.
THAT CAN CREATE A SHARPER CUTOFF.
SO THAT, THAT MAY BE AN OPPORTUNITY IF, IF THAT'S NOT EASILY ACHIEVABLE WITH THAT FIXTURE.
IT COULD BE A REPOSITIONING OR REDIRECTING OF THAT LENGTH TO TRY TO, OR A COMBINATION OF THE TWO TO TRY TO ACHIEVE THAT, THAT CLOSER CUT OFF AND A LITTLE LESS SPRAY OF THE AREA.
AND BEFORE THAT SHOWED WE WOULD JUST, IT WOULD ONLY BE THE PULL TO THE LEFT YOU WOULD SAY.
'CAUSE THAT'S OBVIOUSLY WHERE IT'S BLEEDING FROM BECAUSE THE OTHER ONE'S ONLY LIGHTNING IN THE BACK SECTION, WHICH IS BEHIND OUR ROOM.
SO THAT'S WHAT I WANT TO UNDERSTAND.
LIKE BOTH LIGHTS NEEDED OR JUST THE ONE POLE.
UM, SO YOUR LIGHTING PERSON WOULD PROBABLY NEED TO DO THAT BECAUSE THERE ARE TWO POLES.
EACH POLE HAS TWO LIGHT FIXTURES ON IT.
SO THE LEFT MOST IS THE, IS THE, IS THE ONE TO THE RIGHT IS FACING? IT MIGHT BE, IT COULD BE FACING THE OPPOSITE.
SO ALL I'M SAYING IS IT MAY JUST BE A REPOSITIONING OF THE LEFT MOST FIXTURE, BUT EVEN THE FIXTURE NEXT TO THAT OR THE THIRD ONE OVER, DEPENDING ON HOW THEY'RE AIMED THE CUMULATIVE LIGHT HAS AN INCREASE ON HANDLE DISTRIBUTION.
SO IT COULD BE THE ADJUSTMENTS, UNDERSTAND WHOEVER PERSON IS.
THEY MAY ALSO, AND ALSO THERE ARE PRETTY GOOD APPS.
YOU CAN GET PRETTY DARN CLOSE ON THE PHONE.
SO YOUR, YOUR FIELD, WHOEVER INSTALLED THOSE LIGHTS MAY BE ABLE, WE ALREADY TALKED TO HIM SAYING THAT YOU GOT THIS, BUT IT WOULD BE INOR.
LIKE I WAS NEVER GONNA HAVE IT DONE IN THE TIME FOR THE MEETING.
IF THE BOARD IS SO INCLINED, UM, THEY FREQUENTLY GET DONE HAS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL OKAY.
AFTER THE FACT AND THAT IT'S JUST CONFIRMED THAT WHATEVER CONDITIONS THE BOARD MAY IMPOSE ARE ACTUALLY, AND I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT IF THE COM THAT POINT OF APPROVAL AT THAT POINT OUR LANDSCAPING LIGHTS WILL BE MARKED ON THAT AS WELL.
SO WE DON'T HAVE ANY FURTHER ADDITIONAL 'CAUSE THAT WAS ONE OF HIS CONCERNS.
BUT YOU WEREN'T HERE FOR THE LANDSCAPING.
SO THAT'S NOT EVEN PART OF THIS BEFORE THAT.
I'M NOT GONNA HAVE A PROBLEM LATER, LIKE CONTINUALLY GET A PHONE CALL BEFORE.
WELL, IT'S NOT GONNA BE ON THE, THERE'S YEAH, THAT'S OUTSIDE OF
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OUR, I MEAN YOU, WE CAN'T PREVENT PEOPLE FROM CALLING AND COMPLAINING ABOUT THOSE LIGHTS 'CAUSE THAT'S NOT PART OF THIS APPLICATION.THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE BOARD AND IT DOESN'T HAVE TO BE BEFORE THE BOARD IS MY UNDERSTANDING.
SO THEN I'M KIND OF CLEAR ON THAT.
I JUST DON'T WANT TO AVOID SOMETHING LIKE THAT'S KIND OF WHAT THE START OF THIS HAPPENED AND, YOU KNOW, GETTING THE LETTER IN THE MAIL, I DON'T KNOW HOW TO APPROACH THAT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW NOTIFY THIS KIND OF COVERED IT, BUT YOU'RE SAYING IT DOESN'T, SO IF IT HAPPENS AGAIN, THEN I JUST HAVE TO YEAH, THERE'S NOTHING THAT WE COULD DO ABOUT, ABOUT THAT.
SO HOW, IF WE WERE GOING TO APPROVE THIS, HOW WOULD WE LIKE, UH, ENCAPSULATE THAT IN A MOTION AS FAR AS LIKE ARE WE SAYING THAT SHE NEEDS TO HAVE THE SHIELDS OR ARE WE SAYING THAT THEY JUST NEED TO BE DIRECTED IN A WAY THAT DOES NOT CAUSE SPILLAGE? LIKE SO WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND IS TO LEAVE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND THEN TO WORK WITH THE TOWNSHIP PROFESSIONALS.
'CAUSE THEY'RE ULTIMATELY ARE GONNA BE THE ONES WHO WILL DO THE RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE.
UM, THEY, THE APPLICANT IS CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO JUST FIRST TRY TO REDIRECT THE FIXTURES.
THAT'S WHAT I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT THERE WAS CAN I ASK A QUESTION? THE LE LEGGING PROFESSIONALS, YOU WERE SAYING A HALF OF THE CANDLE YEAH.
HAVE THE CANDLE FOOT AND IF I CAN, CAN THEY GIVE US A REPORT ON THAT WHEN THEY DO THE ADJUSTMENT THAT THIS IS WHAT THE NEW NUMBERS LOOK LIKE? SO WHAT, WHAT I WOULD RECOMMEND I CHAPTER FIVE 17 OF OUR LAND DEVELOPMENT REGULATIONS MM-HMM
UM, THERE IS A PROHIBITION OF ANY VILLAGE IS GREATER THAN 0.2 PANEL ONTO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY.
SO THE BOARD MAY WANT TO CONSIDER IMPOSING THAT AS A CONDITION.
AND THAT BE HANDLED THROUGH POSITION OR REDIRECTING OF THE LIGHTS FOR A COMBINATION THEREOF.
TO ACHIEVE THE 0.2, MAXIMUM HALF PROPERTY LOT.
AND WHAT IS IT NOW? OR BELE? UH, IT'S OVER WHAT? IT'S PROBABLY ONE POINT JUST OVER ONE.
AND YOU SAID 0.5 IS A TYPICAL PARKING LOT.
USUALLY MOST ORDINANCES OF AROUND 0.5 FOOT CAMERAS.
SO CAN I WRITE THAT DOWN REAL QUICK? IT WILL ALL BE WRITTEN DOWN.
BE IT'LL BE, AND YOU'LL GET A COPY.
THE REASON I ASK IS THAT THEN WHEN I GO TO THEM THAT, SO THEY HAVE AN UNDERSTANDING THAT I KEEP IT WITHIN THAT AS I, I MEAN I I THINK ONE OF MY CONCERNS IS THAT IF IT'S LIT EQUIVALENT TO A PARKING LOT RIGHT NOW, AND THIS VARIANCE GOES WITH THE LAND FOREVER, YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN IN THE FUTURE.
YOU KNOW, THE NEXT GUY THAT BUYS THE PROPERTY, HE MIGHT NOT WANT HIS PROPERTY TO GO UP LIKE A PARKING LOT, YOU KNOW? RIGHT.
BUT THERE'S NOTHING HE CAN DO ABOUT IT.
SO I THINK YOU GOTTA SHOW FAIRNESS TO, TO THE PROPERTY ITSELF, YOU KNOW, NOT, NOT WHAT A NEIGHBOR'S OPINION MIGHT BE.
BUT IF, IF IT'S WITHIN THAT FRAME, LIKE HE SAID, IF I GO TO NORMALLY PUT THE SHIELD OUT, AND AGAIN, IF YOU PUT THE SHIELD, IT'S GONNA BE A DIRECT LINE.
SO IF WE DO THAT THEN, THEN I'M WITHIN THE PARAMETER THEN THAT 0.2, WHATEVER MM-HMM
YEAH, I GUESS WE ALSO MAYBE COULD TALK ABOUT TIMING.
I MEAN, RIGHT NOW WE DON'T REALLY, AND I KNOW THAT'S HARD TO ENFORCE AS WELL, BUT IT IS POSSIBLE TO ADD SOME SORT OF CONDITION, RIGHT? THAT THE LIGHTS ARE TURNED OFF BY A CERTAIN TIME.
UM, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO THEY'RE LITERALLY, LIKE I SAID, BEEN ON FIVE TIMES RIGHT? IN THE COURSE OF THIS WHOLE THING, AND IT'S FOR TRAINING AND IT'S REALLY THROUGH THE WINTER MONTHS.
UH, WHEN IT GETS DARKER EARLIER.
SO IT'S, THEY'RE NEVER HORN MM-HMM
AND IF WE HAVE A, UM, SWITCH SO IT'S ON, HE KNOWS WHEN IT COMES OFF, BOOM, THEY GO OUT AND IT'S NOT LIKE IT'S A 12 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING THING.
SO IF IT, HE SAID YOU HAD TO MAKE STIPULATION NOW OFFERING A TIME.
WHAT'S THAT? I MEAN, WOULD YOU BE OPPOSED TO A 10 O'CLOCK OR NINE O'CLOCK TIMEFRAME? WELL, NINE O'CLOCK IN THE SUMMER, IT'S JUST GETTING DARK.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.
AND, BUT IN THE WINTER HOURS, I MEAN I DON'T ARE THE KIDS OUT THERE IN DECEMBER OR JANUARY PLAY? YEAH, THEY ARE.
WELL HE TRAIN OUT THERE SOUTH PLAY.
THEY'RE REAL SERIOUS, HUH? YES.
BUT WHAT WOULD BE, I MEAN, THEY'RE NOT OUT THERE 11 O'CLOCK AT NIGHT USUALLY.
THAT'S KIND OF WHAT WE'RE JUST TRYING.
THE ONLY IS TO BE HONEST, I'M THE TYPE AT HOME, AS YOU CAN SEE, THE FRIENDS COME TO MY HOUSE TO MAKE IT EASIER.
AND IF THEY ARE ON A WEEKEND AND THEY'RE
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OUT THERE PLAYING SOCCER, YOU KNOW, YEAH.IT MIGHT BE LATE, BUT I GUESS I'LL HAVE TO GIVE THEM A CURFEW.
I MEAN, SCHOOL NIGHTS, DON'T THEY DO HOMEWORK? NOT ON SCHOOL NIGHTS.
SCHOOL NIGHTS, NO, BUT I DON'T WANT TO PUT A TIME OUT THERE.
AND THEN YOU'D BE LIKE, GOD, I WISH I HAD HOMEWORK.
I MEAN IT'S LIKE, IS EIGHT O'CLOCK REASONABLE IN THE WATER BECAUSE FIVE O'CLOCK IT GETS DARK? NO, BUT I THINK IF WE'RE LIMITING TO, WE SAID 0.5 IS FOR A PARKING LOT, SAID 0.25 IS WHAT THE TOWN WANTS.
POINT TWO FIVE IS TYPICAL DAY, EXCUSE ME, 0.2, 0.2, 0.2, 0.2 0.2 IS ALREADY WELL, YEAH, I, I AGREE.
POINT IS WITH THE ZONING, IF IF IT MEETS ZONING, YEAH, THERE, THERE'S, WE HAVE NO ISSUE WITH IT.
SO IF THEY'RE ALREADY GONNA MEET IT, THEN WHAT'S THE POINT OF HAVING THE TIME TIMEFRAME? I LIKE WHAT HE SAID,
AND TRUTHFULLY, LIKE I SAID, IT IS A HANDFUL OF TIMES DURING, I MEAN, HE'S OUT THERE DURING THE DAY AND ON THE WEEKEND IT IS VERY MINIMAL.
BUT WHEN HE DOES HAVE TRAINING FOR IT TO MAKE IT EASIER ON MY LIFE, IT'S A PERSONAL THING.
UM, ONE GUY COMING OUT AND MICHAEL'S OUT THERE, IT IS JUST LIKE HE SAID IT IS IN THE WINTER MONTHS, IT MIGHT BE HE CAN'T GET THERE TILL SEVEN.
SO THEY USE HIM FOR AN HOUR AND A HALF, TWO HOURS AND THEN THEY'RE TURNED OFF.
AND AGAIN, THERE'S BEEN ONE TIME WHERE YOUR FRIENDS OVER AND THEY WERE PLAYING LATE AT NIGHT, WASTE OF TIME AND USE THE LIGHTS.
MR. VARGAS, IF THEY MEET MR. TAYLOR CITATION OF LIGHTING, YOU KNOW, PER, PER THE NEIGHBORS WELL PER CODE AT OUR ORDINANCE, DO THEY NEED A VARIANCE? THEY WOULD NOT NEED A VARIANCE FOR? WELL, IT WOULD BE A WAIVER FOR EXCEEDING THE, UM, AMOUNT.
WELL THE BUT THEY WOULD NOT, THE FIELD ITSELF IS IF YOU STILL REQUIRE VARIANCES.
NOT FOR THE LIGHTING, BUT NOT FOR THE LIGHTING.
THEY, THEY NEED IT FOR THE FIELD.
NO, BUT, BUT BECAUSE THE LIGHTING IS, IS FARTHER FOR THE OLDER, 30 FEET CLOSER THAN IT WOULD OTHERWISE BE PERMITTED.
THE ONLY THING THE BOARD, IF 10 O'CLOCK WOULD WORK FOR THE APPLICANT, I THINK THE CHILDREN ARE YOUNG AT THIS POINT.
UM, BUT IF THEY'RE IN HIGH SCHOOL OR COLLEGE, THAT MAY WANT TO EXTEND.
SO WHETHER IT'S 10 O'CLOCK OR 11 O'CLOCK, IF THERE'S SOME REASONABLE TIME, IT MAY MAKE SENSE SO IT DOESN'T TURN INTO MIDNIGHT.
WELL THEN WE CAN, I MEAN, REASONABLE IS, YOU KNOW, WHAT TIME DO YOU GO TO BED? HE'S 16.
YOU KNOW, I MEAN, I'M IN BED BY NIGHT, SO I MEAN SO AM I.
IF THAT MAKES YOU FEEL BETTER.
SO, I MEAN, I WASN'T A 16, I'LL TELL YOU.
I MEAN IF I WAS A 16-YEAR-OLD, I'D BE SAYING, HEY, 10 O'CLOCK AT LEAST IS THE EARLIEST, YOU KNOW, BUT I'M NOT, UM, AND I, AND I, I'M ALSO A PROPERTY OWNER, BUT IF I MEET THE CODE OF LIKE WHAT YOU STATE FOR THE VARIANCE AS FAR AS WITHIN THE SHIELD AND THE PERCENTAGE OF DOESN'T HAVE TO HAD NOT CLOSED ONTO THE NEIGHBOR.
THEN WE JUST HAVE THE ISSUE OF IT BEING A 9.8 FOOT SETBACK THAT PLAY SURFACE.
SO BEFORE WE CAN MAKE A MOTION ON THIS, SHOULD WE SEE GET ANOTHER MEASUREMENT ON THE LIGHT OR NO, SHE'D HAVE TO PUT THE SHIELDS UP FIRST AND DO THAT.
THAT'S THE WHOLE, THAT'S, THAT'S A CONDITION.
SO THE CONDITIONS, I'M, I'M JUST YOU.
NO, IT'S NOT UNTIL WE MAKE THE MOTION THAT'S NOT OKAY.
SO IF IT COMES IN AT 0.2 OR LESS OKAY.
THAT'S THE CONDITION WE'RE PROVING THAT.
IF THAT'S THE NUMBER YOU PUT IN YOUR, WELL YEAH, THAT'S, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT OUR TOWN WANTS IS 0.2 RIGHT NOW.
WHO WANTS A PARKING LOT? WELL, YOU MIGHT SEE YOU'RE PLAYING THERE.
I'M JUST CURIOUS OF WHEN THE TOWNSHIP DID COME OUT.
WAS IT AS OFFENSIVE AS THEY FELT THE PICTURES THAT WERE PRESENTED TO 'EM? I, IT'S BEHIND MY HOME.
IT, AND I DO AGREE WITH YOU THAT LIGHT DOES TRICKLE TO THE ONE NEIGHBOR.
UM, BUT WHEN YOU'RE DRIVING DOWN THE DRIVEWAY, MY HOUSE SITS SO FAR BACK.
I DON'T FIND IT OFFENSIVE LIGHTING AT ALL.
IT'S LIKE A, I PUT THE SPOTLIGHT ON THE BACK OF MY HOUSE OFF THE ROOF LINE TO LIGHT UP MY YARD AT NIGHT.
I WAS HAVING A PARTY, THE NEIGHBORS AND FRIENDS OVER.
I FEEL LIKE IT'S THE SAME COMPARISON.
SO THAT'S WHY WHERE I WAS HAVING A HARD TIME.
BUT I, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY A LITTLE STRONGER LATE.
I MEAN, I'VE LIVED IN, WELL I GUESS A LOT OF US LIVE IN THE WOODS, BUT I MEAN, SOMEBODY TURNS ON THEIR A LIGHT TO THEIR BACKYARD, YOU KNOW, IT, IT CUTS THROUGH THE WOODS.
AND I CAN HONESTLY SAY THAT I'VE TURNED ON A SPOTLIGHT THAT I HAVE IN MY BACKYARD.
IT CARRIES DOWN THE STREET AND A LIGHT I'VE LEFT ON IN THE BASEMENT.
UM, YOU KNOW, FOR WHATEVER REASON I'M GROWING PLANTS.
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IT CARRIES, IT, IT, IT'S INCREDIBLE HOW MUCH IT CARRIES.I MEAN, WE'RE JUST TALKING FLUORESCENT LIGHTS SO WE CAN WE COME BACK IN ANOTHER MONTH IS AND WE HAVE THAT TIMEFRAME TO YEAH, WELL WE, WE COULD MAKE A MOTION BASICALLY.
OH, WELL LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC AND THEN WE'LL COME BACK TO OH, WE STILL HAVE TO IT.
WELL BECAUSE WE ARE YOU, ANY OTHER COMMENTS YOU WANNA ADDRESS FIRST THOUGH? OR ARE YOU GOOD TO DO THAT? UM, BUT THE FIELD ITSELF THAT WE'RE ONLY IN QUESTION OF THE LIGHTS, CORRECT? WELL, THE FIELD YOU WERE GOING TO REMOVE THE PIECE THAT WAS, WE ALREADY DID THAT.
UM, THAT'S ON THEN THERE WAS THE FENCE, FENCE OFF WAS DONE.
NO, WE JUST, THE UM, THE FENCING, THE CATCHING THE FENCING.
UM, DO WE KNOW THE LIGHTING, THE, THE LIGHTING SPECIFICATION SAYS THE LIGHTING SPECIFICATION PROVIDED DOES NOT PROVIDE THE ACTUAL CORRELATED COLOR TEMPERATURE FIELD LIGHTING, WHICH SHOULD BE PROVIDED.
WAS THAT PROVIDED? IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN FROM THE START.
IF THEY WERE ASKING WHETHER IT'S COOL OR LIGHT, IT'S ALL WARM.
I, AND THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN, SO THAT WOULD BE INCLUDED AT IN THE RESOLUTION AS A CONDITION AS WELL THAT THE LIGHTING WOULD BE, UM, A WARM COLOR TEMPERATURE.
THAT IT REMAIN, UM, FULL CUT OFF DIRECTED DOWNWARD.
YOU KNOW, ALL OF THOSE THINGS THAT WE'VE BEEN DISCUSSING.
WELL, I GOT A QUESTION UPON THAT.
YOU'RE SAYING IT NEEDS TO BE WARM LIGHTING AND OUR PROFESSIONAL SAY IT'S NOT SAID IT'S HOT.
DID YOU SAY IT WAS WARM LIGHTING OR NOT? YOU SAID IT WAS LIGHTING, I THINK WAS THE WORD YOU USED.
SO FROM, FROM LOOKING AT THE LIGHTS OFF, AND WE DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION ON THIS, UM, IN LIGHTS ARE ABOUT 2,500 DEGREES KELVIN.
AND THIS IS SOME CHRISTMAS LIGHTS.
THERE ARE VERY SUPER BRIGHT LIGHT, ALMOST A BLUISH LIGHT.
IT MAY BE A LITTLE DISTRACTING ON THIS AT DAYTIME.
UM, THAT'S NOT THE, THE, THE LIGHTS THAT YOU SEE AT MOST ATHLETIC FIELDS OR AT A CAR DEALERSHIP IS AROUND 4,000 DEGREES KELVIN.
SO THAT IS A VERY CRISP, CLEAR, BRIGHT LIGHT.
UM, MOST LANDSCAPE LIGHTING THAT YOU SEE IS SOMEWHERE IN THE TWO THOUSANDS UP TO 3000 DEGREES KELVIN.
AND THAT HAS A MORE, A LITTLE BIT MORE OF A WARM SUNSET TYPE LOOK TO IT AS OPPOSED TO THAT CAR DEALERSHIP OR WHERE THE INFIELD CITIZENS BANK PARK.
SO WE NORMALLY, FOR ALL EXTERIOR LIGHTING, UM, RECOMMEND 3000 DEGREES OR LESS.
IN TERMS OF CCT, UM, OPERATING ROOMS HAVE ANYWHERE FROM FIVE TO 6,000 OR 8,000 DEGREE.
AND THAT IS A VERY SPECIFIC RIGHT.
AND SO RIGHT NOW WE DON'T KNOW.
NOW I WAS JUST ASKING YOU YOUR, YOUR PROFESSIONAL OPINION OF DO YOU THINK IT'S IN THE 3000 OR FOUR? IT'S 3000.
'CAUSE WE DID SEND THE ACTUAL PRODUCT NUMBER.
IN, SO IF WE CAN GET CONFIRMATION IT'S 3000.
IT DOESN'T NEED TO BE CHANGED THEN.
COURT MAY WANT WANNA JUST INCLUDE THAT AS A CONDITION AND IF IT'S ACCEPTABLE AS IS, IT'S FINE.
THAT SHOULD BE IN THERE BECAUSE MY BUILDER SPECIFICALLY PUT THAT PRODUCT CODE IN.
BUT I THINK THAT THAT MAKES SENSE FOR IT TO BE INCLUDED JUST IN THE RESOLUTION.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC? I'LL MAKE THAT MOTION.
IF THERE'S ANYONE HERE FROM THE PUBLIC THAT WISHES TO SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME UP NOW AND DO SO.
SEEING NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
DOES ANYONE FROM THE BOARD HAVE ANY ADDITIONAL COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? OKAY.
AND WE PREVIOUSLY ADDRESSED, ASKED THOSE QUESTIONS, STORM WATER, RIGHT? YOU RUN OFF EXTENT.
THAT WAS IN THE LAST MEETING, CORRECT? NO, SOME WATER, UM, RUNOFF IS DIRECTLY TO ANY OF THE ADJACENT PROPERTY.
IT DRAINS TO THE BACK OF RIGHT.
JUST WANNA MAKE SURE WE'VE COVERED EVERYTHING IN THE LETTER.
ALRIGHT, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT.
UH, WITH THE CONTINGENCIES THAT THE LIGHTING IS POINT, UH,
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HAS LIGHT SPILL OF 0.2 LUMENS OR LESS AND 3000 CALVINS OR LESS.IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE WE NEED TO PUT ON THERE? LIKE THE DISTANCE OF THE POLES? WELL THOSE ARE, THAT ARE, THOSE ARE ALL IN THERE.
I MEAN, DO WE NEED TO SAY 'EM ALL AGAIN? OKAY.
NO, FAR THE APPLICATION RIGHT? PART OF THE, I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR.
YOU'RE NOT IMPOSING AS A CONDITION TO THAT THE LIGHTS HAVE TO BE TURNED OFF BY A CERTAIN HOUR? UH, NOT, NO.
NOT IF THEY'RE 0.2 OR 3000 CAS OR LESS.
'CAUSE 0.2 IS ALLOWABLE LIGHTING.
I IF IT'S NOT 0.2, THEN THE LIGHTS ARE NOT ALLOWED.
I'LL SECOND THAT BASED ON WHAT YOU'RE SAYING.
SO FROM HERE WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, I'M GONNA GIVE YOU NOTES, CORRECT.
I'M GONNA PREPARE A RESOLUTION MEMORIALIZING EVERYTHING.
THE BOARD WILL ADOPT IT AT ITS MAY MEETING AND THEN YOU'LL GET EMAILED OR MAILED A PHYSICAL COPY OF THAT, WHICH WILL NOT HAVE TO BE PUBLISHED.
AND THERE'LL BE A BUNCH OF STUFF IN THERE SPELLING OUT EXACTLY WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO.
BUT YOU WILL GET A COPY OF ALL OF THIS.
AND THEN I JUST NEED TO MAKE SURE A RECEIPT FROM THE ELECTRICIAN PICTURES BECAUSE I I WAS STATED THAT I DON'T HAVE TO DO ANOTHER SURVEY.
UH, NOT AS A PART, AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
SO JUST THEY NEED TO PROVIDE SO IT SHOWS THOSE CORRECT REQUIRE.
SORRY, WHAT WAS LESLIE? OKAY, HELP YOU.
UH, NEXT APPLICATION IS RICK GIO.
15 LESLIE WAY BLOCK 4 0 1 0.1 LOT EIGHT.
SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES TO EXCEED THE MAXIMUM LOT COVERAGE AND MAXIMUM SIZE OF AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM BUILDING HEIGHT TO CONSTRUCT A 1,225 SQUARE FOOT POOL.
CABANA HI CHAIR BOARD FOR THE RECORD.
I'M AN ATTORNEY OF THE LAW FIRM DEPARTURE AND DRYER.
I'M HERE ON BEHALF OF THE APPLICANT.
THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING BOTH VARIANCE APPROVAL TO ALLOW FOR THE DEVELOPMENT AND USE OF A 1,225 SQUARE FOOT POOL HOUSE.
UM, PROPERTY LOCATED AT 15 WELLESLEY, WAY MORE SPECIFICALLY IDENTIFIED AS BLOCK 4 0 1 0 1 8 ON THE TOWNSHIP'S OFFICIAL TAX MAP.
UH, PROPERTIES LOCATED IN THE GROWTH MANAGEMENT AREA IN NORTH STONE DISTRICT.
WITH RESPECT TO THIS APPLICATION, THERE ARE THREE BOLT VARIANCES THE APPLICANT IS SEEKING.
THE FIRST PERTAINS TO THE TOTAL SQUARE FOOTAGE OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AS FOR THE 1,225 SQUARE FEET POOL HOUSE WHERE METRO TOWNSHIP PERMITS A MAXIMUM LEVEL 68 SQUARE FEET.
THE SECOND PERTAINING TO THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE HEIGHT OF 16 AND A HALF FEET, WHERE BEDFORD TOWNSHIP PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 15 FEET.
AND THE THIRD IS FOR 24.79% IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE, WHERE BEDFORD TOWNSHIP PERMITS A MAXIMUM OF 20%.
NOTICE OF THIS PUBLIC PUBLIC HEARING WAS PUBLISHED IN A CENTRAL RECORD NEWSPAPER AND SERVED ON ALL PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET ON THE LIST PROVIDED BY MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AND EASTERN TOWNSHIP.
COPIES OF THOSE MATERIALS WERE DELIVERED TO THE BOARD, SECRETARY AND SOLICITOR.
UM, WITNESSES AND EXHIBITS ARE ALL IDENTIFIED, LISTED IN EXHIBIT A ONE.
UM, IF YOU COULD HAVE THE WITNESSES SWORN AT THIS TIME, I'LL PASS OUT PACKETS OF THE PRE MARKED EXHIBITS.
CAN WE PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU? GOD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST STARTING.
SO RICK, IF YOU COULD, UH, BRIEFLY INTRODUCE YOURSELF AND
SO THANKS FOR, UH, LISTENING TO US, TO US TODAY.
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WE DO RESIDE AT 15 WELLESLEY WAY.UM, JUST TO GIVE YOU A QUICK, YOU KNOW, SYNOPSIS ON US.
MY WIFE IS A FAMILY PHYSICIAN.
SHE PRACTICED IN, UH, AN UNDERSERVED COMMUNITY IN NORTH PHILADELPHIA FOR 27 YEARS.
UH, HOWEVER, NOW, UH, UH, EXPLICITLY WORKS OUT OF OUR HOME, UH, DOING TELEMEDICINE AS A FAMILY PHYSICIAN.
I MYSELF WORKED AT, UH, UPS FOR 35 YEARS IN, UH, RECENTLY RETIRED.
UM, OUR PROPERTY IS THE 15 WELLESLEY WAY.
UH, WE PURCHASED IT NEW IN 2002 AND WE'VE BEEN THERE FOR THE PAST 23 YEARS.
UM, TO TALK ABOUT, YOU KNOW, WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO DO THIS, YOU YOU KIND OF NEED TO KNOW A LITTLE BIT ABOUT OUR FAMILY.
IT'S NOT GONNA TAKE LONG, BUT I DO WANT TO TELL YOU A LITTLE ABOUT, ABOUT OUR FAMILY.
WE HAVE, UH, FIVE BOYS AND TWO GIRLS.
UM, ALL OF 'EM HAVE BEEN RAISED IN MEDFORD.
UM, ALL 'EM, UM, HAVE GONE THROUGH, UH, SHAWNEE AND GRADUATED FROM SHAWNEE HIGH SCHOOL.
UM, AND THOSE, YOU KNOW, FIVE BOYS AND TWO GIRLS ALSO HAVE SIGN SIGNIFICANT OTHERS.
ONE WAS JUST MARRIED THIS PAST, UH, UH, THIS PAST WEEKEND.
UM, AND THE REST OF ONE'S ENGAGED AND THE OTHERS, YOU KNOW, HAVE BOYFRIENDS, INDOOR GIRLFRIENDS.
SO WHEN WE MAKE RESERVATIONS TO GO OUT, YOU KNOW, THE PJS OR ON THE BOARD OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT, IT'S, YOU KNOW, I NEED TO MAKE A RESERVATION FOR 15.
UM, WITH OUR FAMILY, IT'S, IT'S NICE AND RARE WHEN IT'S LIKE SIX OR EIGHT OF US FOR ME ANYWAY.
UM, SO AGAIN, WE HAVE A VERY LARGE FAMILY.
UM, WE HAVE GRANDKIDS THAT ARE GONNA BE COMING SOON NOW AT THE, YOU KNOW, THEY'RE GETTING MUCH OLDER TO OUR, OUR CHILDREN.
WE KNOW THAT WE'RE GONNA BE HAVING GRANDKIDS COMING.
ONE JUST GOT MARRIED, ONE GETTING MARRIED NEXT YEAR.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE NOW STARTING TO THINK ABOUT THIS PROJECT.
MY WIFE REALLY HAS KIND OF BEEN LEADING IT.
SHE'S THE ONE THAT'S FORWARD THINKING MORE THAN I.
UM, SO, YOU KNOW, WE DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER.
UM, THE KIDS ALL WENT TO COLLEGE WHEN THEY GRADUATED, YOU KNOW, AT ROWAN.
THEY ALL CAME HOME A LOT ON THE WEEKENDS.
UM, SO WE'RE, WE, WE DO EVERYTHING TOGETHER AND, UM, ANYONE, AND YOU PROBABLY KNOW, YOU KNOW, YOUR KIDS PROBABLY HOW OF YOU HAVE KIDS HERE IN MEMPHIS? THEY PROBABLY KNOW OUR KIDS AND THEY, THEY WOULD TELL YOU THE SAME THING.
UM, WHEN WE MOVED INTO THE PROPERTY IN 2002, WE IMMEDIATELY PUT THE POOL IN AND WE KNEW THAT WE WERE GONNA BE SPENDING, YOU KNOW, ALL OUR TIME AT HOME IN, IN THE SUMMERS AND THE SPRINGS.
AND, AND THAT'S JUST WHAT WE DID.
THE POOL HAS BEEN, YOU KNOW, WELL WORTH THE INVESTMENT.
UM, WE SPENT ALL OUR SPRING AND, YOU KNOW, SUMMER DAYS OUT THERE, ALL OUR KIDS LEARNED HOW TO BECOME VERY STRONG SWIMMERS BECAUSE OF THAT POOL.
AND AGAIN, IT WAS A GATHERING PLACE FOR OUR FAMILY.
AND IT REMAINS, YOU KNOW, TO THIS DAY THE POOL ITSELF OR THE PROPERTY ITSELF, JUST LIKE MOST HOMES, RIGHT? THE HOUSE SITS UP HIGH AND THEN, YOU KNOW, EVERYTHING GRADUATES AWAY SO YOU DON'T GET WATER, UH, ISSUES AT THE HOME.
AND IT'S THE SAME, UH, IN OUR PROPERTY.
SO IN OUR BACKYARD YOU'RE ABOUT FIVE FEET FROM THE, FROM THE DOOR, UM, JUST TO THE GROUND LEVEL.
AND THEN THE GROUND LEVEL KIND OF GRADUALLY GOES AWAY FROM THERE.
SO THE POOL IS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER THAN THE FIRST FOUR.
SO, YOU KNOW, WHEN WE'RE YOUNG, YOU KNOW, AND THE KIDS WERE, YOU KNOW, JUST YOUNG AS WELL, CARRYING THE KIDS UP AND DOWN AND BRINGING FOOD UP AND DOWN, YOU KNOW, IT WAS A STRUGGLE THEN.
BUT WE WERE YOUNG AND WE CAN DO IT.
AND NOW WE'RE, AGAIN, WE'RE THINKING ABOUT DOING THESE SAME TYPES OF THINGS WITH OUR GRANDCHILDREN AS WE'RE GETTING OLDER.
SO THAT'S WHY WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT THIS POOL HOUSE CABANA IN SO WE DON'T HAVE TO GO FROM THE MAIN HOUSE BACK AND FORTH TO THE POOL TO GET THE DRINKS, TO TAKE THE KIDS TO THE BATHROOM, TO, YOU KNOW, GET THE FOOD, YOU KNOW, BACK AND FORTH.
THAT AGAIN, AS WE GET OVER, IT'S GONNA BE, YOU KNOW, MUCH HARDER FOR US TO DO THAT.
SO THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS THAT, YOU KNOW, WE'RE LOOKING TO PUT THIS PLUS IN, SO IT'S GONNA BE ACCESSIBLE RIGHT THERE AT THE POOL LEVEL.
WE CAN TAKE SOMEONE IN TO CHANGE THEIR DIAPER OR TAKE SOMEONE IN TO GO TO THE BATHROOM OR, YOU KNOW, BRING OUT THE SLIDERS FOR, FOR EVERYONE TO EAT OR, OR GRAB A, GRAB A COKE FROM THE REFRIGERATOR.
UM, ADDITIONALLY WE DO HAVE, YOU KNOW, YOU KNOW, ELDERLY PARENTS, UH, MY PARENTS ARE, ARE STILL ALIVE.
AND FOR THEM TO GET UP AND DOWN THE STEPS IS, YOU KNOW, SIGNIFICANTLY DIFFICULT, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THEIR LADY YEARS.
SO THIS IS ALSO GONNA BE VERY HELPFUL FOR THEM.
SO, YOU KNOW, WE'RE ASKING THAT WE'D BE ABLE TO PUT THIS STRUCTURE THERE.
WE'RE GONNA, IT'S GONNA BE THE, YOU KNOW, THE GATHERING PLACE SAYS IT ALWAYS HAS BEEN THE POOL, BUT NOW THAT IT'S GONNA BE THE POOL HOUSE IS WHAT, AND YOU KNOW, WE, YOU KNOW, WE WANT TO MAKE THIS OUR LEGACY AND, AND SOMETHING THAT WE CAN DO WITH OUR FAMILY FOR, FOR YEARS TO COME AS MORE GRANDCHILDREN COME INTO THE FAMILY.
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AND SO, GIVEN THE EXISTENCE OF CONDITIONS AND THE TOPOGRAPHY OF THE PROPERTY, DO YOU AGREE THAT THIS IS THE SMALLEST SIDE THAT FRUSTRAT? YEAH, I KNOW, AGAIN, IT MAY SEEM TO SOME PEOPLE KIND OF RIDICULOUS, BUT WE CAN BARELY FIT MY FAMILY AND OUR FAMILY.SO YES, IT'S, WE KIND OF, WE WHITTLED IT DOWN TO WHAT WE NEED FOR OUR FAMILY TO BE HONEST WITH.
AND SO DURING THE COURSE OF TECHNICAL REVIEWS, UH, FOR THIS APPLICATION, AS NOTED IN THE FEBRUARY 13TH REVIEW LETTER, THERE WAS CONCERN THAT THIS POOL HOUSE COULD BE USED AS A RENTAL OR AN INDEPENDENT DWELLING.
UM, SO WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO DERESTRICT THIS PROPERTY IN A FORM AGREEABLE WITH THE TOWNSHIP REAL ESTATE? YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.
FIRST OF ALL, WE'RE NEVER LEAVING THE HOUSE TO PASS, BUT YES, WE WOULD ABSOLUTELY BE WILLING TO RESTRICT.
UM, DOES THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR RICK? I DON'T HAVE ANYTHING RIGHT NOW.
NEXT I'D LET, UH, CALL UP JEFF KING.
DO YOU WANT THESE BOARDS TOWARDS THE BOARD? DO YOU WANT THE, UH, BOARDS TO THE, TO THE, THE NO DOES MATTER TO THE ZONING BOARD.
AND JEFF, COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS TO THE BOARD? SURELY, UM, THE BOARD HAS SEEN ME BEFORE.
I'M LICENSED ARCHITECT IN GOOD STATE WITH GOOD STANDING WITH THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.
I HAVE BEEN FOR, I BELIEVE NOW 34 YEARS, UH, A BACHELOR'S OF ART, A BACHELOR OF ARCHITECTURE DEGREE FROM MARVIN UNIVERSITY, UH, AND HAVE TESTIFIED BEFORE THIS AND MANY OTHER BOARDS THROUGHOUT BURLINGTON, CAMDEN, ROHER, AND OTHER TOWNSHIPS AND COUNTIES IN THE SOUTH JERSEY.
AND YOU PREPARED IN SUBMITTED MATERIALS TO THE TOWNSHIP, CORRECT? I DID.
ALL THE DRAWINGS WERE DONE DIRECTLY BY ME, UH, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE RENDERING, WHICH WAS SUBMITTED, UH, IN THE PACKET THAT'S BEING DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD.
DOES THE BOARD ACCEPT JEFF AS AN EXPERT? YES.
UH, JEFF, COULD YOU START BY EXPLAINING EXHIBITS A THREE IN THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS? UM, SURE.
UM, THE, UH, COPY WE HAVE OVER HERE.
SO THE FIRST, UH, AERIAL PHOTOGRAPH YOU'RE SEEING IS A, IS A, UH, SNIPPET OF, UH, THE BACK PART OF DEVELOPMENT.
UM, THE PROPERTY IN QUESTION IS THE ONE OBVIOUSLY IN THE RED RECTANGLE.
YOU CAN SEE CLEARLY THE POOL IN THE BACKYARD, UM, TO THE LEFT OF THE SHEET, THAT LEFT VERTICAL LINE.
THAT'S ACTUALLY THE BOUNDARY LINE BETWEEN EHAM TOWNSHIP AND MARLTON.
UM, ON THE MEDFORD SIDE, THERE ARE APPROXIMATELY 28 HOMES IN THIS DEVELOPMENT, ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
UH, AS RICK HAD TESTIFIED, UH, HE BOUGHT THE HOUSE NEW, THEY'RE BUILT IN AND AROUND 2002, AGAIN, ACCORDING TO TAX RECORDS, THEY'RE ABOUT 4,000 SQUARE FEET.
THEY'RE, UM, CALL 'EM A, AN ENGLISH MAN OR COUNTRY MANOR STYLE HOME HOMES, UH, WITH TWO CAR GARAGES, I BELIEVE.
UM, RICK ALSO TOUCHED ON THE FACT ABOUT THE, THE PROPERTY AND THE, THE OF THE, IN THE, UM, UH, THE UNIQUENESS OF THE PROPERTY WITH LESLIE WADE BEING.
AND THIS IS A, A A, A LAW ABOVE SHEET, A 0.0, WHICH IS, WAS SUBMITTED, UH, TO THE BOARD.
UM, I PUT SOME COLOR ON IT, WHICH UH, MAY BE A LITTLE CLEARER FOR EVERYONE TO UNDERSTAND.
UM, YOU ADDED THE COLOR, YOU SAID.
SO WE'LL MARKED THAT FOR THE RECORD AS EXHIBIT A 9 8 9.
UM, WHAT YOU'RE SEEING, UM, WESLEY, TO THE BOTTOM OF THE SHEET, MS.
THERE IS A DRAIN EASEMENT THAT RUNS THROUGH THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
THE PROPERTY SLOPES FAIRLY SIGNIFICANTLY FROM REDLEY DOWN TO, UH, THE STRANGE EASEMENT.
THERE'S ACTUALLY YARD DRAIN BACK HERE IN, IN THE, UH, NORTH WESTLEY CORNER.
UH, THE HIGHLIGHTED AREA IN YELLOW WAS A POOL HOUSE.
UM, THE PINK OR RED IS THE RESULT AREA OF PAVEMENT THAT IS GONNA BE AROUND THE POOL AND WALKWAY AREAS.
THAT'S TO REMAINING THE BLUE'S, OBVIOUSLY THE POOL.
UM, A COUPLE THINGS WE'VE DONE TO TRY TO, TO MITIGATE THE COVERAGE ISSUES ARE WE ARE REDUCING, UM, THE PAVEMENT AREA THAT'S APPROXIMATE, THAT IS, UH, ADJACENT TO THE HOME AS WELL AS WE'RE TAKING AWAY ONE SHED IN THE WALK AREA THAT'S ABOUT 560 SQUARE FEET OF AREA WE'RE REDUCING.
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THE SIZE OF THE NEVADA, UH, 1,225 SQUARE FEET REALIZED 350 SQUARE FEET THAT IS COVERED PORCH, THE LIVING AREA, SO TO SPEAK, THAT THE KITCHEN AREA AND BATHROOMS AND ALL THAT.AND THE LAKE IS ABOUT 875 SQUARE FEET.
SO AT FACE VALUE, IT MAY SEEM LIKE THIS IS ORALLY LARGE WHEN MY GARDENS TO THE BOARD IS THAT, UM, PART OF THAT'S A COVERED AREA.
EVERYONE'S BEEN OUT THE POOL WHERE, YOU KNOW, IF GIVING AN UMBRELLA PLEASE, UM, THIS, UM, WAS SOME SORT OF AGRICULTURAL USE BEFORE IT DEVELOPED.
THERE ARE VERY FEW, IF ANY, MATURE TREES, WHEN I SAY MATURE A FOREST AREA.
UM, SO ALL THE, THE VEGETATION IS FAIRLY LOW AND NEW RELATIVE TO THIS AREA.
AND THAT AREA PROVIDES AMPLE AND MUCH NEEDED AREA FOR SHELTER FROM THIS STUFF.
IT'S ALSO AN AESTHETIC CONSIDERATION THAT IT HELPS BREAK THE SCALE OF THE HOUSE.
THIS, THIS POOL HOUSE DOWN, UM, AS RICK HAD TALKED ABOUT, THERE'S SIGNIFICANT SLOPE FROM THE, THE HOUSE TO THE BACK.
UM, SO WE WERE STANDING IN THE BACKYARD.
I'M FIVE AND A HALF FEET TALL, I SEE THE BOTTOM OF THE SIDELINE.
I MEAN IT'S, YOU CAN SEE THE SET OF STEPS IN THE PHOTOGRAPHS COME OUT OF THIS HOUSE.
SO IT IS, UH, TO RICK'S POINT, VERY GERMANE THAT THERE IS A LOT OF UP AND DOWN VERTICAL MOVEMENT TO GET FROM THIS HOUSE TO THAT POOL HOUSE.
UM, THE, UH, POOL HOUSE ITSELF WE'VE DONE IN MATERIALS THAT ARE CONDUCIVE WITH AND KEEPING WITH THE FABRIC IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UH, IF YOU LOOK AT HEAD TO THE RENDERING, UM, THAT, I DUNNO IF YOU LOOKED, THAT'S, THAT'S A NEW EXHIBIT OR THAT 27, IF YOU LOOK AT THAT RENDERING, UM, THE GATOR LAYER, THE ARCH THAT'S STUCCO, THAT'S TO MATCH THE STUCCO IN THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, UH, DIMENSIONAL SHINGLES, SIDING, AND THE LAKE.
SO THAT WHERE WE'RE KEEPING WOOD, WE BELIEVE THE FATTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND ALSO BECAUSE THIS IS A, A FAIRLY A WIDE OPEN AREA, UM, THE FULL HOUSE STARTS TO GIVE US A SENSE OF SPACE.
YOU WALK DOWN THE, THAT POOL NOW AND YOU ARE IN THIS ACRE PLUS PROPERTY THAT BLEEDS OVER INTO THE OTHER ACRE PLUS PROPERTIES.
SO THIS HEART STARTS TO, AND HOPEFULLY OUR PLAINTIFF CAN TOUCH ON THIS, IS THAT THERE'S A CREATIVE ASPECT OF WHAT WILL CAUSING HOPE.
THE BOARD WILL UNDERSTAND THAT STARTS TO GROUND THE POOL AND GIVE AN AREA OF ACTIVITY AND A PLACE TO BE IN THAT SENSE OF SPACE.
A SENSE OF PRIVACY, NOT ONLY FOR US, BUT ALSO FOR THE NEIGHBORS LOOKING ACROSS.
THEY'RE NOT IN OUR BUSINESS BUSINESS, WE'RE NOT IN THEIR BUSINESS.
SO, AND I THINK THAT'S VERY IMPORTANT, UM, TO THE POINT OF THE HEIGHT VARIANCE.
UM, WE PURPOSELY DID IT AT 16 AND A HALF FEET.
WE CERTAINLY DIDN'T WANT TRIGGER OUR USE VARIANCE WHERE WE EXCEEDED WITH BY MORE THAN 10%.
BUT BY INTRODUCING ELEMENTS TO THAT, TO THE BUILDING THAT ARE ELUSIVE AND MATCHED THE HOUSE PER SE, BUT STILL KEEPING TO THE, THE MAXIMUM PERMISSIBLE HEIGHT LIMIT BEFORE WE TRIGGER THAT ABUSE VARIANCE.
UM, REMEMBER THAT WHEN I'M STANDING ON WESLEY, I'M LOOKING ACROSS THE ORIGINAL.
THIS BUILDING IS ABOUT THE TOP OF THE GARAGE DOORS ON THE HOUSE.
THERE'S THAT MUCH SLOPE GOING DOWN EVEN AT 16 AND A HALF FEET BY THE, BY THE TIME THAT THE PROPERTY DROPS AWAY, IT'S NOT LIKE THIS THING IS SITTING UP ON THE CURB.
SO THE, THE VISUAL, UH, DETRIMENT IF THERE IS OR NOT, AND I SAY THERE'S NOT, BUT IF THERE'S A PERCEIVED VISUAL DETRIMENT, WE SAY IT'S A VERY MINIMAL OR NEGLIGIBLE BECAUSE OF THE TOPOGRAPHY IN THE HOUSE, THE TOPOGRAPHY SITE.
UM, WE ARE NOT PROPOSING ANY DRAINAGE CHANGES OR CHARACTERISTICS TO THE PROPERTY.
AGAIN, EVERYTHING'S NATURALLY DRAINED BACK TO THIS YARD DRAIN.
I BELIEVE THESE YARD DRAINS, MAYBE RICK HAS TESTIFIED ABOUT THAT.
I THINK THEY'RE EVERY OTHER PROPERTY.
BUT THIS WHOLE AREA DRAINS DOWN THROUGH THE MILL.
WE'RE NOT REGRADING WE WILL NOT BE DIRECTING ANY SORT OF RUNOFF TO ANY OF THE PROPERTIES OTHER THAN IT'S, IT'S ALREADY FALLEN IN THAT DIRECTION.
AND WE'RE NOT GONNA CHANGE THAT.
WE CAN'T TRIC, WE, IT WOULD BE A HERCULE TASK TO TRY TO CHANGE THAT.
WE'RE NOT, NOT PROPOSING TO CHANGE THAT.
UM, IN TERMS OF LIGHTING, YOU SEE IN THE RENDERING, THERE ARE A COUPLE CAR LAMPS NEXT TO, UH, THE, THE BIFOLD DOORS.
THOSE DOORS ARE, ARE, ARE, ARE SET OF OPENING DOORS SO THAT IT, THE SPACE ITSELF WILL FEEL AN OUTDOOR SPACE WHERE WE KNOW FLOOD LAKES.
UM, THERE WILL BE SOME LANDSCAPING LIGHTS OBVIOUSLY.
AND CERTAINLY IT'S, UM, RICK HAD TESTIFY ABOUT THE LANDSCAPING THAT HE HAS IN MIND.
WE CERTAINLY HAVE NOT GOTTEN TO THAT POINT, BUT I THINK WE WOULD BE VERY MINIMAL TO WHATEVER THE BOARD WOULD REQUIRE OR REQUEST US TO DO AND SUBMIT BACK TO THE WORK FOR A PROPER LANDSCAPE PLAN.
UM, AND I KNOW I'VE KIND OF BUTCHERED YOUR AGENDA, BUT I'VE KIND OF JUMPED ALL OVER THE PLACE.
UM, SO, UH, YOU TELL ME ABOUT MS. UH, I'VE COVERED A LOT.
UH, SO REGARDING THE SIZE OF THIS STRUCTURE, UH, BASED ON YOUR EXPERIENCE AS AN ARCHITECT, IS IT POSSIBLE TO CONSTRUCT A FUNCTIONAL POOL HOUSE LIMITED TO HUNDRED 68 SQUARE FEET? NO.
UM, AND I DON'T MEAN THIS TO OBVIOUSLY NO HERE ABOUT POOL ROAD BOARD, BUT WE SEE THIS, THIS IS NOT MY FIRST POOL HOUSE.
WE'VE DONE, WE JUST DID ONE TWO YEARS AGO ON THE LITTLEMORE
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COUNTRY CLUB.WE CONNECTED IT TO THE HOUSE, WE CONNECT THIS TO THE HOUSE.
IF WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE, THE COVERAGE ISSUES, WE TALKED ABOUT THAT AS, AS, AS AN OUT.
BUT JUST LOOK AT THE BACK OF HOW ARE YOU GONNA, YOU KNOW, VISUALLY CONNECT THIS TO THIS? IT DOESN'T WORK.
SO THAT WASN'T SOMETHING THAT, UM, IS, UH, IS IS WOULD BE ACCEPTABLE AND THE SIZE THAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS TAILORED TOWARDS OUR SPECIFIC USE ABSOLUTELY.
IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY NEED FUNCTIONALLY.
BUT IN TERMS OF SQUARE FOOTAGES FOR 850 TO 900 SQUARE FOOT POOL HOUSES, WE'RE DOING THESE ON A FAIRLY REGULAR BASIS IN EVESHAM, IN ES UH, WE'RE DOING ACCESSORY GARAGES THAT ARE 1200 SQUARE.
SO YOU'RE SEEING THESE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THAT ARE BEING REQUIRED OR MANDATED TO HAVE TO GET A BEARING BECAUSE IT WAS WRITTEN AS A SHED AND A 168 FOOT, 168 SQUARE FEET POOL HOUSE IS 16 BY 10.
THAT'S YOUR BATHROOM AND MAYBE SOME POOL EQUIPMENT.
THERE'S NO PLACE TO DO ANYTHING OTHER THAN GO TO BATHROOM.
SO YES, IT IS MY EXPERIENCE THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT PART OF THAT IS ZONE, UH, ORDINANCE.
AGAIN, I DON'T MEAN TO STEP ON THE PLANNING BOARD, THE PLANNER PLANNER'S EXPERTISE AS A PLANNER.
I'M NOT A LICENSED PLANNER, BUT AS A LICENSED ARCHITECT, I SEE THIS AND I BELIEVE IT'S, WE'RE HAVING TO DEAL WITH IT, BUT IT'S NOT WHAT FULL OFFICER IS NOT MEANT FOR OFFICER AND, UH, OTHERWISE COMPLIANT WITH ALL SETBACKS.
IT'S ALL, ALL OUR SETBACKS ARE GOOD.
UM, SO WE'VE DONE WHAT WE THINK WE CAN TO, TO MITIGATE THE COVERAGE ISSUES.
UH, WE DON'T SEE AN A A, UM, AN ISSUE WITH THAT.
AND ALSO TO THE POINT THE SIZE OF THE, OF ONE LAST PARTY POINT ABOUT THE SCALE, WE DON'T NEED A BUILDING COVERAGE VARIANCE.
SO MY LOGIC IN THAT WAS WE DID WORK ON DIFFERENT PLANS.
I'M NOT SAYING THAT WE DID WHEN IT WAS OVER ON BUILDING COVERAGE, WE NEVER DID THAT MAP, BUT WE DO LOOK AT THE OVERALL DENSITY OF THE DEVELOPMENT OF THIS PROJECT.
TOWNSHIP HAS A 10% BUILDING COVERAGE LIMIT FOR A REASON.
WE DON'T WANT TO HAVE SEE A 12,000 FOOT PER SQUARE FOOT FOOTPRINT ON THESE PROPERTIES.
SO MY ARGUMENT TO THE BOARD IS THE ARCHITECTURAL MASSING AND SCALE OF WHAT WE'RE PROPOSING IS COMPLIANT.
IT'S JUST TWO DIFFERENT BUILDINGS INSTEAD OF ONE BIG BUILDING.
AND I THINK SOMETIMES TWO SMALL BUILDINGS LOOK BETTER THAN ONE FOOT BIG BUILDING ANYWAY.
UM, YOU START TO GET THAT NEGATIVE, A POSITIVE SPACE THAT MAKES A LITTLE MORE, IT'S A LITTLE MORE HUMAN SCALE, YOU KNOW.
SO, AND JUST ONE FINAL QUESTION.
SO YOU BELIEVE THAT THIS POOL HOUSE IS CONSISTENT WITH THE CHARACTER, NOT JUST THE PROPERTY ITSELF, BUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
THAT'S A WHOLE, I DO BELIEVE THAT.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER POOL HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? I DIDN'T.
I DID A SCENARIO, SO I DON'T KNOW FOR A FACT IF THERE ARE ANY POOL HOUSES.
I BELIEVE FROM THE AERIAL PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE 28 HOMES IN THIS, UH, DEVELOPMENT, I BELIEVE I COUNTED 13 HAD POOLS.
I DID SEE SOME STRUCTURES IN THE BACKYARD.
I CAN'T SAY THAT THEY'RE POOL HOUSES.
THEY'RE PROBABLY SOME SORT OF CABANA STRUCTURE.
UM, I, MOST OF 'EM DO NOT HAVE ANY.
THEY'LL BE, YOU KNOW, OBVIOUSLY, YOU KNOW, HONESTLY, UH, I DID NOT.
BUT UM, I DID SEE SOME STRUCTURES.
QUICK QUESTION, IS THE FENCE JUST AROUND THE POOL AND THE POOL HOUSE, NOT THE ENTIRE PROPERTY? CORRECT.
AND THERE ARE LOOKS LIKE TREES THAT ARE IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY.
SO YOU CAN'T SEE, THE NEIGHBOR CAN'T SEE.
AND WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THOSE TREES.
SO THERE IS PRIVACY ON THAT ONE IN THAT BACK CORNER.
THERE IS SOME IT'S PRETTY MINIMAL.
WE'RE THE
I THINK WE'RE THE ONLY HOME THAT HAD ANY TREES LEFT WHEN THEY GRADED AND STARTED BILLING THE HOMES BEHIND US IS PRETTY MINIMAL.
I JUST DON'T THINK, I DON'T, IT LOOKED LIKE IT WAS REALLY DEEP.
BUT THE TESTIMONY THAT LIKE THIS WILL CREATE PRIVACY AND LIKE BREAK UP THE PROPERTY AND STUFF LIKE THAT.
I DON'T REALLY BUY INTO, UM, JUST, I MEAN THERE'S, THE MAJORITY OF HOMES JUST HAVE POOLS WITH A PATIO OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY DON'T HAVE THIS LIKE ELABORATE BEAUTIFUL POOL HOUSE.
UM, BUT UM, I, I THINK THAT THAT WOULD BE MY ONLY COMMENT.
HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? DO YOU THINK WE COULD, WE COULD ADD LANDSCAPING, LIKE TREES
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BEHIND THE POOL HOUSE? I MEAN, I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT PRIVACY WAS AN ISSUE.I THINK THAT THE TESTIMONY WAS TURNING TO SAY THAT THIS IS, YOU KNOW, GOING TO IMPROVE THE PROPERTY MORE PRIVACY.
WHICH I DON'T THINK I NECESSARILY AGREE WITH.
UM, ON THE INSIDE YOU DRIVE THAT'S YES.
UM, IT, I, I'D ASK TO GO BACK TO SCOTT.
I MEAN YEAH, SCOTT, I MEAN IT'S IN, IT'S IN THE EASEMENT.
IT'S NOT A PERMANENT STRUCTURE WITHOUT RESEARCHING THE, THE TERMS OF THAT EASEMENT.
UM, ONE OF THE SH THE ONE SHE IS SUPPOSED TO BE REMOVED ONE.
'CAUSE ONE, IT'S REALLY AN EASEMENT.
UM, THE OTHER ONE, IT'S THAT CORNER OF THE, JUST THAT CORNER.
BECAUSE WE CAN'T MAKE A RULING ON THAT EITHER WAY.
E EVEN IF IT CAME TO THE BOARD, IT'S NOT SOMETHING WE CAN IMPROVE A VARIANCE OR SOMETHING BECAUSE IT'S, IT'S EITHER ALLOWED OR IT'S NOT.
IT'S NOT SOMETHING THAT WILL BE UP FOR OUR INTERPRETATION ANYWAY.
I MEAN IF THE EASEMENT PROVIDED AND THE, SO THAT TO BE MOTIVATED OUT OUTSIDE OF THE JURY AS IT WOULD BE REASONABLE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
BUT AGAIN, LIKE MR. TAYLOR SAID, WITHOUT THE ACTUAL EASEMENT LANGUAGE, WE DON'T KNOW, THEY COULD SUBMIT IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL IN THE EVENT THE BOARD WAS SO INCLINED.
AND THEN THEY CAN MAKE THE DECISION IF THEY'RE MOVE THE SHED OR JUST GET RID OF IT.
AND THEN WE'RE LOOKING AT WHAT TWO FEET CORNER? IS THAT ON FOUNDATION OR HOW'S THAT? 39 SQUARE FEET? I THINK IT'S LIKE 12 BY 10, 13, 10 BACK RESTS,
BUT THERE'S NOT GOING TO BE ANOTHER STRUCTURE WHERE THE POOL EQUIPMENTS HAVE BE STORED.
LIKE CHEMICALS WOULD BE IN THE SHACK, BUT SURE.
DOCTOR, IS THERE HVAC UNITS IN THIS? IT WAS, YOU DO HAVE TO COME TO THE MICROPHONE.
I BELIEVE THERE WERE, WHAT DO THEY CALL SPLITS? MINI SPLITS WAS THE PLAN.
SO THERE'S NO EXTERIOR? NO NOTHING LIKE THAT.
IT'S ALL, UH, THERE IS AN EXTERIOR UNIT TO A MINI SPLIT.
IT'S A LITTLE SUITCASE COMPRESSOR.
OH, WELL WE
UM, CERTAINLY WE CAN INCORPORATE INTO LANDSCAPING AROUND THAT.
I'M JUST TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHERE IT WAS.
I DIDN'T SEE IT ON ANY, UM, WE HAVEN'T DONE THE CONSTRUCTION DRAWINGS YET.
SO IN TERMS OF WHERE THAT GOES AND HOW THE UNIT'S BEING LOCATED, CERTAINLY AS AN, AN INSIDE WALL UNIT.
UH, BUT THERE'LL BE AN EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR, EXTERIOR COMPRESSOR SOMEWHERE.
ARE YOU PROPOSING ANY LANDSCAPING BEHIND? IS THERE ROOM? BECAUSE I SEE THE FENCE IS GONNA BE RIGHT BEHIND IT.
SO I DIDN'T KNOW IF THERE WAS ANY TYPE OF JUST PROPOSED BUSHES, YOU KNOW.
TO, TO ACCENT THE HOME, BUT NOTHING.
IF THERE WAS SOME SPECIFIC THAT WAS REQUIRED, WE WANT TO LOOK GOOD.
MR. JEFF, YOU HAVE THE, UH, THE FLOOR PLAN OF THE, THE
WHAT THE, WHAT WAS THE NATURE THAT, UH, MORE OF A PRIVATE LIVING AREA STUDY? UM, AS, AS RICK HAD TESTIFIED, HIS WIFE WORKS REMOTELY NOW.
UM, SHE VERY, VERY WELL BE WORKING OUT THERE.
BUT IT'S NOT INTENDED TO BE USED AS A BEDROOM.
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WE DON'T HAVE ANY ISSUES WITH THE TESTIMONY THAT THERE'S TELEHEALTH.I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IT'S A HOME OFFICE USE.
IS HOME OFFICE USE, IS THAT PERMITTED IN THIS ZONE? UM, AS AN EMPLOYEE TO BE ABLE TO OPERATE? IF THERE ARE NO EMPLOYEES OF A BUSINESS AND YOU'RE SIMPLY AN EMPLOYEE WORKING FOR SOMEONE ELSE, YOU CAN DO THAT.
YOU, YOU, IT'S LIKE A WORKING FROM HOME, RIGHT? NOT OKAY.
NOT MUCH DIFFERENT THAN YOU CHECKING YOUR EMAIL EVERYWHERE I GO,
DO WE NEED TO HEAR FROM THE OWNER STATING THAT WE'RE NOT GONNA HAVE SLEEPING QUARTERS OUT THERE AND THOSE TYPES OF THINGS AS TREATED? THEY'RE REPRESENTING.
AND ALSO THEY'RE WILLING TO DEED RESTRICTED.
SO THERE WILL BE A DEED RESTRICTION THAT GOES THROUGH MY OFFICE FOR A REVIEW.
PRIOR TO ME GETTING FILING FILED.
WHAT WOULD BE THAT ACTUAL DEED RESTRICTION? NO BEDROOMS, NO TENANTS.
IT ESSENTIALLY WOULD NOT BE USED AS A HABITABLE SPACE.
IT COULD BE USED FOR A KITCHEN.
WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON THE LANGUAGE SPECIFICALLY FOR WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING.
NO WAY FOR IT TO BE ALMOST LIKE A DORMITORY STYLE THERE.
YEAH, WE'LL HAVE, WE'LL HAVE TO WORK ON IT.
I'M SPIT BALLING RIGHT NOW, BUT YEAH, I'M TOO GRANDKIDS AREN'T MOVING IN AND STAYING THERE PERMANENTLY RIGHT NOW? WELL, BECAUSE IF IT WERE TO BE USED AS A BEDROOM, ASIDE FROM IT BECOMING A TWO FAMILY LOT AT THAT POINT, WHICH VIOLATES OUR ZONING, UM, THERE ARE EGRESS WINDOW REQUIREMENTS AND OTHER FIRE REQUIREMENTS THAT WOULD APPLY TO BEDROOMS. SO THIS CANNOT BE USED AS A BEDROOM.
THAT SHOULD BE ADMISSION OF APPROVAL REFLECTED IN THOSE
WE WERE THINKING MAYBE YOU HAVE TO COME UP TO THE MICROPHONE,
I LIKE THE WIFE'S OFFICE BETTER, BUT I'M JUST SAYING, YOU KNOW, THAT'S THE MONEY.
SO IF THERE ARE NO MORE QUESTIONS FOR MR. KING, WE'LL MOVE ON TO OUR PROFESSIONAL HONOR.
COULD YOU PLEASE PROVIDE YOUR PROFESSIONAL QUALIFICATIONS TO THE BOARD? SURE.
I'M A LICENSED PLANNER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY, ALSO A ICP CERTIFIED.
UM, PRACTICING FOR LONG, WAY LONGER THAN I BEEN 38 YEARS.
I DO SOME WORK UP HERE IN BURLINGTON.
I HELPED WITH THE SLAND, UH, WINERY STATE PROJECT HERE A FEW YEARS BACK.
I GOTTA GO TRAILER WINE, BUT TO HAVE BEEN HERE BEFORE.
AND I'VE WORKED IN, IN, UH, HOUSTON TOWN QUITE A BIT.
ALSO SAYS, AS THE PLANNER FOR THE CITY OF BRINGING TEAM, I RECOMMEND THE BOARD ACCEPT HIS CREDENTIALS AS A PROFESSIONAL PLANNER.
YOU JUST PROVIDE A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF THE PROPOSED USE AND THE SCOPE OF BELIEF.
SO I THINK BOTH, BOTH RICK AND, AND, UH, JEFF WENT THROUGH WHAT THEY'RE PROPOSING, THE 1,225 SQUARE FOOT, UH, POOL HOUSE, UM, A NUANCE IN YOUR ORDINANCE.
AND THEN I WAS READING THROUGH IT, THE FIRST SECTION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES TALKS ABOUT PRIVATE SWIMMING POOLS, TALKS ABOUT STANDARDS FOR THAT OTHER USUAL RECREATIONAL FACILITIES, CUSTOMARILY ASSOCIATED WITH RESIDENTIAL DWELLING UNITS.
TO ME, THAT'S WHERE THIS FITS.
IT'S NOT A SHED BECAUSE IT'S NOT A, IT'S NOWHERE NEAR 168 SQUARE FEET.
I MEAN, YOU'VE HEARD JEFF TALK ABOUT THAT.
YOU COULDN'T REALLY DO A POOL HOUSE OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT FOR, FOR THAT USE.
SO THAT SECTION OF YOUR ORDINANCE KIND OF LEANS ME TO SAY THAT'S WHERE THIS WOULD FIT INTO.
I KNOW WE NEED RELIEF BECAUSE WE'RE BIGGER THAN THAT 1 68.
BUT I THINK THAT NUANCE AND, AND I ALSO SIT AS THE CITY COMMISSIONER, FORMER MAYOR OF MY TOWN AND NER, WE'RE SEEING A TON OF THESE POOL HOUSES COME IN WITH PEOPLE BUILDING POOLS AND WANTING THAT OUTDOOR SPACE, LITTLE RESPITE FROM THE SUN PLACE TO COOK A MEAL PLACE TO HAVE PEOPLE THERE LET, DOES COOL DOWN BECAUSE WE GET WINDS AT THE BEACH.
IT GETS COLD AT NIGHT, BUT THEY WON'T HANG OUT OUTSIDE AND STEVE STILL BE BY THAT POOL SPACE.
SO THAT'S WHY YOU ARE SEEING A LOT OF THESE STRUCTURES.
THERE'S NOT A TIME, ESPECIALLY UP HERE, I, I DIDN'T SEE ANY IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD WHEN I WENT BY.
THERE WAS ONE THAT HAD A RED ROOF CABANA ON IT, BUT I NOTICED FROM
BUT THAT LOOKED LIKE JUST A MORE OF A, AN OPEN STRUCTURE.
NOT NOTHING LIKE THIS, NOT A POOL HOUSE.
BUT YOU'RE SEEING A LOT OF THESE HAPPEN MORE.
AND ACTUALLY WE'VE SEEN 'EM SINCE COVID.
PEOPLE ARE STARTING TO COME, GATHER MORE AROUND THEIR HOMES, STAY CLOSE, FOUND THAT, UM, KEEPING THAT, THAT FAMILY UNIT TOGETHER LONGER, UM, AND HAVING THE SPACE TO DO IT OUTSIDE.
SO THAT'S PART OF THE REASON YOU'RE SEEING MORE OF THESE.
AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT YOU SEE IN, IN THE DOWN BEACH COMMUNITIES AND IN BRITE AS WELL.
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THERE ARE LIMITATIONS TO THE, THE, THE STORAGE SHEDS AND I, AGAIN, THOSE ARE LIMITED TO THAT 168 SQUARE FEET, 15 FOOT HEIGHT.UM, AND THEN ONE, ONE STRUCTURE IS PERMITTED FOR LOTS LESS THAN ONE ACRE.
TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ALLOWED ONE ACRE OR MORE.
WE'RE JUST BARELY MORE THAN AN ACRE, I THINK.
UH, NOT EVEN, NOT EVEN 50 SQUARE FEET, MORE THAN THAT ACRE.
UM, SO THEY ARE ALLOWED TO HAVE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES THERE.
UM, SO WITH, WITH THAT STATEMENT, I THINK I WOULD CONSIDER THIS, THAT USUAL RECREATIONAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURE TO A HOME.
BUT I'LL PUT THE TESTIMONY ON FOR, FOR THE RELIEF FOR THE OVERSIZE, JUST TO COVER ALL THE BASES.
UM, YOU DO NEED THE, THE VARIANCE FOR THE ONE AND A HALF FEET ABOVE THE, THE HEIGHT.
AGAIN, YOU SEE THE ARCHITECTURAL FACADE AND, AND THE DESIGN OF THIS.
IT'S NOT A SQUARE ROOF STRUCTURE.
IT DOESN'T BRING THAT, THAT ELEVATION DOWN.
AND I THINK JEFF DID A NICE JOB SIZING THE STRUCTURE AND, AND THE EXTERIOR.
SO IT DOESN'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, THE PREVIOUS COVERAGE WAS A GOOD POINT THAT JEFF ALSO MADE, THAT WE ARE BELOW THE BUILDING COVERAGE.
NO, WE'RE JUST OVER THE Y COVERAGE.
SO IT DOES NOT IMPOSE HUGE STRUCTURES ON THIS PROPERTY.
UH, ALSO THE FACT THAT A GOOD PORTION OF IT IS THAT OPEN PORCH, THAT OPEN AREA.
SO IT'S NOT ALL 1,225 SQUARE FEET THAT'S ENCLOSED.
YOU HAVE THAT FRONT PORCH AREA THAT OPENS UP, I THINK THEY CALL IT DOOR, BUT AN ARCHITECT ON THAT ONE.
UM, THAT OPENS IT UP AND CREATES THAT INDOOR OUTDOOR SPACE THAT THEY'RE LOOKING FOR.
SO THAT'S REALLY THE, THE PROJECT IN, IN A, IN A NUTSHELL, UM, THE VARIANCES WE DO NEED ARE BOTH VARIANCES, UM, SEA TYPE VARIANCES.
UM, WE ARE PERMITTED USE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE ARE PERMITTED AND CUSTOMER ON RESIDENTIAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES SUCH AS POOL HOUSES FIT THAT CRITERIA.
SO THINGS WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT IS TO, TO PROVE THOSE, THOSE VARIANCES TO YOU GUYS AND GIVE YOU THE OPPORTUNITY TO BE ABLE TO VOTE YES ON IT.
ARE THE POSITIVE CRITERIA, WHICH WE HAVE TO TALK ABOUT, IS THE SITE PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR IT? YOU HEARD ABOUT THE, THE SLOPE I GONNA USE WHAT THIS IT'S A OH 0.0.
SO A NINE SHOWS DOESN'T ONLY SHOW THE TOPOGRAPHY, BUT THERE IS A SURVEY INCLUDED.
THERE IS ABOUT A, A, AN EIGHT FOOT OR SIX FOOT DIFFERENCE IN ELEVATION FROM FRONT TO THE BACK.
BUT THE KEY PART HERE IS THE HOUSE IS ACTUALLY EVEN HIGHER THAN THAT.
THE, THE HOUSE SITS AT A FINISHED FLOOR IS AN 80.
SO THE, THE GRAY BACK HERE IN THE BACKYARD IS ABOUT 72.
SO IT'S ABOUT SIX FEET HIGHER.
SO WHILE, WHILE THEY'RE CONCERNED MORE ABOUT THEM GETTING OUT OF THE HOUSE AND THAT'S CONVENIENCE FOR THEM GETTING OVER TO THEIR GRANDPARENTS AND THINGS COMING DOWN, I LOOK AT IT AS WE'RE BUFFERING THAT FROM THE STREET.
'CAUSE WE'RE LOWER IN THE BACK.
WE'RE BOTH, WE'RE BEHIND THE STRUCTURE.
YOU'RE REALLY NOT GONNA SEE MUCH OF THIS BUILDING FROM THE STREET.
AND THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT WHEN YOU DRIVE BY THESE, THESE PROPERTIES, CERTAINLY FROM THE NEIGHBORS AND, AND THE NEIGHBORING PROPERTIES TO THE, TO BOTH SIDES OF THE REAR.
WE WE'RE WELL WITHIN THOSE SETBACKS.
WE, WE MEET ALL THE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR THE STRUCTURE.
UM, WHILE IT IS LARGER THAN NORMAL ACCESSORY BUILDINGS, IT'S NOT MUCH TALLER.
WE'RE ONLY A FOOT AND A HALF TALLER.
AND REALLY YOU'RE NOT GONNA NOTICE THAT AS YOU'RE WALKING BY IT, UH, FROM THE, FROM AN IMPACT STANDPOINT, LAKES LARGE ENOUGH TO ACCOMMODATE THE USE.
AS I SAID, WE'RE UNDER THE BUILDING COVERAGE.
IT'S JUST THE LOT COVERAGE THAT WE EXCEED 'CAUSE OF THE POOL AREA AND, AND THE CONCRETE IN AND AROUND THAT.
AND THEY HAVE REMOVED SOME OF THAT TO, TO SOFTEN THAT IMPACT.
UM, WITH THE DRAINAGE, THERE'S, THERE'S THINGS YOU CAN DO WITH THE STORM WATER IF THAT'S THE CONCERN.
THAT TYPICALLY IS YOUR CONCERN WHEN YOU HAVE A LOT COVERAGE REQUIRED.
YOU WANNA WORRY, WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT STORM WATER, NOT AN ENGINEER, BUT THERE IS A DRAIN EASEMENT THAT COLLECTS ALL THAT WATER AND, AND TAKES THAT OUT OF THIS DEVELOPMENT IF NEED BE.
AND WE TALK TO THE ARCHITECT AND, AND, AND THE SITE CONTRACTOR COULD PUT IN A, A DRIVE WALL THERE AND TAKE THE DIRECT ROOF RUN OFF FROM THAT STRUCTURE TO PUT THAT WATER RIGHT BACK INTO THE GROUND.
IT'S CONSIDERED CLEAN ORDER BECAUSE IT'S COMING OFF THE ROOF.
SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT YOU CAN LIMIT THE IMPACT OF ANY RUNOFF FROM THAT BUILDING, BUT JUST PUTTING IN DOWNSPOUTS INTO AN UNDERGROUND, BASICALLY DRIVE UP FRENCH DRAIN IF YOU'LL PURPOSES OF ZONING.
THE SECOND PHASE OF THE POSITIVE CRITERIA, UH, THERE'S PURPOSES OF ZONING ARE REQUIRED.
THE FIRST ONE I BELIEVE THAT, THAT WE PROMOTE IS PURPOSE A, UH, TO PROMOTE PUBLIC HEALTH, SAFETY AND GENERAL MORRISON AND WELFARE.
YOU HEARD MR. UH, GIO TALK ABOUT, UH, HIS FAMILY GENERAL WELFARE IS HIS FAMILY KEEPING HIS FAMILY TOGETHER.
I WOULDN'T WANNA PAY THAT DINNER BILL BY WAY COMING OUT WITH SEVEN KIDS PLUS THEIR, THEIR DATES MM-HMM
UM, POOL HOUSE PROVIDES A SAFE AND EFFICIENT ACCESS TO A BATHROOM CHANGING AREA.
UH, CURRENT ACCESS REQUIRES THEM TO WALK A UP, UP THAT HILL INTO THE HOME.
UH, LARGE EXTENDED FAMILY USE OF THE POOL.
POOL HOUSE PROVIDES A SAFE AND EASY ACCESS TO THOSE FACILITIES AND ENHANCES THE FAMILY'S USE OF THE HOME IN THE POOL AREA.
SO PURPOSE G PROVIDES SUFFICIENT S SPACE AND APPROPRIATE LOCATION
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FOR A VARIETY OF USES, BOTH PUBLIC AND PRIVATE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF NEW JERSEY CITIZENS.AND THESE ARE ALL PURPOSES OF MUNICIPAL ANUS LAW, PURPOSES OF ZONING.
YOU GUYS HEAR THESE ALL THE TIME FOR USE VARIANCES.
SO YOU'RE, YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH THAT DEAL.
LOCATION'S WELL BEHIND THE RESIDENTIAL USE OF THE PROPERTY AND OFF THE ROADWAY.
THE LOCATIONS BUFFER BY THE GRADE OF THE SITE, UH, EXCEEDS ALL THE SETBACKS.
WE MEET ALL THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS.
WE, WE STILL BELIEVE THE PURPOSE C THAT WE PROMOTE GENERAL, UH, EXCUSE ME, PROVIDE AIR LIGHT, OPEN SPACE, ADEQUATE AIR, LIGHT OPEN SPACE BY MEETING THOSE SETBACK REQUIREMENTS FOR PROVIDING THAT AIR LIGHT OPEN SPACE.
UM, WHILE ALSO, AND JEFF SAID ONE THING THAT, THAT KIND OF STU UH, STUCK WITH ME IS CREATING A SENSE OF SPACE HERE.
I KNOW MADAM CHAIR, WHEN YOU, YOU WERE CONCERNED ABOUT, YOU KNOW, BUFFERING AND THINGS OF THAT NATURE.
IT'S NOT REALLY BUFFERING THAT I'M LOOKING AT THIS BUILDING FOR, I LOOK AT THAT AS, AS KIND OF CREATING THAT SENSE OF PLACE.
WHEN YOU'RE OUTSIDE, YOU'RE NOT LOOKING AT EVERYBODY ELSE'S POOL.
YOU ACTUALLY GOT A KIND OF LONG AS THE SEMI ENCLOSED AREA HERE THAT MAKES IT A LITTLE MORE PRIVATE.
IT'S LIKE, UM, YOU'RE SITTING OUT AN OUTDOOR CAFE, SOMETIMES YOU'RE SITTING BACK ON THE SIDE, ON THE SIDE STREETS OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
THEY PUT A LITTLE BARRIER DOWN BY THE CURB.
UM, INSTEAD OF SITTING OUT IN THAT AREA PRETTY WIDE OPEN, IF YOU GO OUT AND SEE THAT IT'S VERY WIDE OPEN, THERE ARE SOME TREES ALONG THIS BACK AREA, BUT IT'S PRETTY OPEN BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
THIS CREATES THAT SENSE OF, OF SPACE IN PLACE IF YOU'LL, UM, IN THAT BACKYARD.
I AGREE WITH LIKE THAT FEELING LIKE I GET WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I DO AGREE WITH THAT, BUT THAT LOOKING AT THE AERIAL THAT IS NOT THE NORM FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD IS, I THINK THE POINT THAT I WAS KIND OF TRYING TO MAKE WAS LIKE, THAT'S NOT TYPICAL FOR, YOU KNOW, IT LOOKS LIKE EVERYBODY HAS, YOU KNOW, A LOT OF PROPERTY, UM, AND THESE BEAUTIFUL HOMES AND THEN THE POOL IN THE BACKYARD.
YOU KNOW, IT'S JUST, THAT'S WHAT'S COMMON IS YES, YOU DON'T GET THAT LIKE, ENCLOSED TYPE OF FEELING.
THE TREND THAT I'M SEEING MM-HMM
AND AGAIN, I'M THE PLANNER FOR BRINGING TEAM.
A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE BEING POOLS AT THE BEACH.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND, I'M A BEACH PERSON, I DON'T NEED TO POOL AFTER THAT.
BUT, UM, THEY WANT, THEY WANT THIS LITTLE POOL HOUSE.
THEY WANT SOMETHING TO HAVE RESPITE OUT THERE AND EXTEND THEIR DAY OUTSIDE, SO TO SPEAK.
SO IT'S A TREND I THINK YOU'RE GONNA SEE MORE OF WITH PEOPLE WANTING TO HAVE THAT.
UM, SO THAT'S AT LEAST WHAT I SEE IN THE COMMUNITIES THAT I'M, EXCUSE ME.
UM, SO FOR THOSE REASONS, I THINK WE, WE MEET THE CRITERIA OF, UH, WHAT WAS TOUCHING BASE ON THE OPEN SPACE.
WE MEET ALL THE SETBACKS, THE STRUCTURE MEETS THE SETBACKS, THE HEIGHT RELIEF IS MINIMUM, UH, WITH THAT REGARD.
AND I TALKED ABOUT WE CAN, WE CAN DO A DRYWALL SYSTEM IF NEEDED.
IF THERE'S A CONCERN ABOUT SNOW WORK.
THE SECOND PRONG OF OUR VARIANCE, UH, CRITERIA IS THE NEGATIVE.
THE FIRST, IT CAN'T BE A SUBSTANTIAL DETRI TO THE PUBLIC GOOD.
BUT I THINK WE HAVE LIMITED IMPACT TO THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES THAT WILL BE A NEGLIGIBLE IMPACT.
THE SURROUNDING PROPERTIES ARE ADEQUATELY BUFFERED BY BEING SETBACKS.
AND WE'RE SCORE WELL SETBACK FROM, FROM THE STREET.
ELEVATION IS ALSO ON OUR SIDE AS WE TALK ABOUT WITH THE GETTING LOWER IN THE BACK OF THE PROPERTY AS AN ACCESSORY TO THE, TO THE DWELLING IN THE POOL.
THE AMENING INCREASES THE OUTDOOR ACTIVITIES OF THE FAMILY.
WE TALKED ABOUT THE OFFICE SPACE AND, AND POSSIBLE GYM, WHATEVER WE'RE GONNA DO IN, IN THAT SPACE, NOT HAVING FOR SLEEPING AND THINGS OF THAT.
AND THEY WANT HAVE COOKING IN THE RESTROOMS AND THE CHANGING AREA OUT IN THAT SPACE, UH, WILL NOT IMPAIR.
THE SECOND PRONG OF THAT IS NOT IMPAIRED IN INTENT PURPOSES OF YOUR ZONE PLAN ZONING ORDINANCE.
UH, IT'S OUR OPINION THAT THE STRUCTURE IS PERMITTED UNDER, UNDER YOUR RECREATIONAL BUILDING, UNDER THE CODE.
AND THE CURRENT CODE ON SHEDS AND COMMAND SEEMS TO BE FOCUSED ON THOSE SMALLER, UH, SHED TYPE TYPE STRUCTURES.
UH, EVEN TEMPORARY STRUCTURES.
UM, BUILDING SETBACK IS FAR ENOUGH TO LIMIT THE IMPACT THE OFFSITE PROPERTIES AND THE STRUCTURE, IN MY OPINION, DOESN'T IMPAIR THE CHARACTER OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS THE BUILDING IS DESIGNED WITH THAT, THAT EXISTING STRUCTURE IN IN MIND, WHILE IT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH THE OTHER POOLS IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD, I THINK THIS IS SOMETHING THAT CAN FIT IN WELL WITH THE DESIGN OF THE BUILDING AND THE HOME ITSELF.
UM, I DID HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK BRIEFLY AT YOUR MASTER PLAN FOR 2017 AND ITEM TWO.
AND ONE OF THE GOALS WE'RE TALKING ABOUT IS, IS TO MAINTAIN MEDFORD'S EXISTING.
AND I'M GONNA READ THIS, THIS PARAGRAPH HERE IF YOU DON'T MIND.
UH, ITEM TWO, MAR MAINTAIN MEDFORD'S TOWNSHIPS CHARACTERS OF RURAL MUNICIPAL MUNICIPALITY FARMS AND LARGE LOTS SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENTIAL UNITS, WHILE ALSO PROVIDING FOR A BALANCED VARIETY OF USES OF HOUSING TYPE TO MEET THE NEEDS OF VARIETY OF INCOMES, AGE GROUPS AND LIFESTYLES.
I THINK THE LAST CENT PART OF THAT SENTENCE FITS THIS PERFECTLY.
YOU'VE HEARD MR. RAGIO AND HOW HIS FAMILY INTERACTS AT THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, THIS IS SOMETHING THAT WILL ENHANCE THAT AND I THINK THAT MEETS THAT, THAT GOAL OF YOUR MASTER PLAN.
SO FOR ALL THOSE REASONS, I THINK WE MEET THE CRITERIA UNDER THE MUNICIPAL LAW THAT YOU GUYS CAN BE COMFORTABLE IN GRANTING THESE VARIANCES.
AND SO GIVEN THE ARY AREA REGULATIONS
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KIND OF CONTEMPLATED HOW THAT DOESN'T REALLY ADDRESS MONETARY STRUCTURES LIKE THIS, RIGHT? IS IT IN YOUR OPINION? THAT IS EXACTLY WHY A SCENARIO, WHYI AND I THINK THAT'S YOUR GUYS' ROLE.
I, I HAD A BOARD MEMBER YEARS AGO SAY, WELL I DON'T WANT VOTE YES 'CAUSE THEY'RE ASKING FOR VARIANCE.
SO, WELL THAT'S YOUR JOB UP HERE, SIR.
AND I EXPLAINED TO 'EM AND WE ACTUALLY GOT APPROVED.
YOU YOU UNDERSTOOD THAT AFTER THAT NIGHT.
SO THAT'S YOUR ROLE IS TO WEIGH THE BENEFITS OF NEGATIVES AND GRANT THAT.
AND SO GRANTING APPEARANCE APPROVAL HERE, PRECEDENT, IT HAS TO BE SPECIFIC EACH, SO YOU HAVE TO MAKE IT WORK FOR THAT PARTICULAR PROPERTY.
UH, DOES ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS FOR LANCE? I DON'T THINK SO.
DO YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION, MR. TAYLOR? OKAY.
THAT WRAPS UP PRESENTATION IF THERE'S ANY QUESTIONS LEFT THERE.
ANYBODY? UM, MR. TAYLOR, DID YOU HAVE ANY, ANYTHING ELSE TO ADD OR ANY CONCERNS? DID YOU THINK THAT THEY NEEDED TO HAVE ANY TYPE OF VEGETATION OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NOT IN PARTICULAR.
THERE IS, YOU KNOW, THIS BUILDING BECAUSE IT IS RELATIVELY LOW, THAT THAT SORT OF CREATES SOME BUFFERING MM-HMM
UM, AND MAYBE LESS FULL ACTIVITIES WOULD BE LESS VISIBLE TO SOME OF THE NEIGHBORS ON THE LEFT HAND SIDE.
UM, IF THE BOARD MEMBERS FELT THAT SOME PLANTING AT GROUND LEVEL AT THE INTERFACE OF THE PORCH OR BEHIND APPROPRIATE, NOT AGREEABLE, PUTTING SOME VEGETATION IN THERE SO THAT OTHERWISE THE STRAIGHTFORWARD SET FORWARD SEEMS LIKE THAT AREA BE BEHIND THE HOUSE IS LIKE WHEN THEY DID THE DEVELOPMENT THAT WAS JUST NOT TOUCHED.
WHATEVER WAS THERE IS PRIOR TO THE DEVELOP.
DOES ANYONE ELSE, ANYONE FROM THE BOARD? OKAY.
I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC? I, YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION OPEN PUBLIC.
IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU CAN COME UP AND DO SO.
SEEING NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU? GOD, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
MY NAME IS AARON ADAMS. I LIVE IN 13 MOSLEY WAY.
UM, I'VE BEEN NEIGHBORS OF BRICK FOR 32, UH, 22 YEARS.
UM, I THINK THIS WOULD BE A TREMENDOUS BENEFIT TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
IT'S WELL THOUGHT OUT, A WELL COMMISSIONED DESIGN.
IF IT'S NOT OSTENTATIOUS, I THINK THAT IT WOULD IMPROVE RATHER THAN DETERIORATE FROM THE PROPERTY VALUES.
UM, AND YOU KNOW, I I, I THINK IT'S A REAL, REAL GOOD IDEA TO HAVE TO HAVE THEM BE ABLE TO EXPAND THEIR FAMILY AND GIVE THEM SHADE.
THINGS LIKE THAT EXCUSE WHEN THEY COME OUT AND THEY USE APPROVAL, THEY USE THAT APPROVAL ALL THE TIME.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
I LIVE ON THE EAST SIDE OF WELLESLEY WAY, RIGHT BEHIND THE TREES AT, UH, IN BETWEEN THE PROPERTY LINES.
I'VE BEEN THERE FOR ABOUT SEVEN YEARS AND I'M JUST HERE TO KEEP MY FULL APPROVAL FOR THE POOL FOR THE BUILDING.
UM, MR. CARRA HAS BEEN, UM, VERY FORTHCOMING.
UM, I WAS FORTUNATE ENOUGH TO SEE SOME OF THE SKETCHES AND, AND, AND WHAT THEIR PLANS WERE FOR, AND I THINK IT WOULD BE A, A REALLY NICE COMPLIMENT IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD MOVING FORWARD.
UM, TWO THINGS I LOOK AT IS, YOU KNOW, FROM AN AESTHETIC PERSPECTIVE, I, I DON'T GIVEN THE LOT SIZE, I DON'T SEE ANYTHING THAT WOULD, UH, DO ANYTHING TO HARM THE VISUAL LOOK OF THIS, ESPECIALLY WITHIN THEIR LOT SIZE.
AND THEN FROM, UH, A HOMEOWNER IN THIS DEVELOPMENT.
UM, LOOKING AT THE PROPERTY VALUES, I DON'T THINK IT WOULD DO ANYTHING TO HARM THAT IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.
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SO WITH ALL THAT IN MIND, UM, I WOULD, AS SOMEBODY THAT LIVES BEHIND IT AND WOULD BE LOOKING OUT POTENTIALLY SEEING IT DAY IN AND DAY OUT, UH, I WOULD GIVE MY FULL SUPPORT TO THAT.ANYONE ELSE? PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST, UH, MARYBETH ADAMS. A-B-A-M-S.
I LIVE NEXT DOOR WITHOUT NAME BACK THERE,
UM, AND I JUST WANNA SAY, UM, WE'RE FULLY IN SUPPORT OF THIS FULL HOUSE.
THEY HAVE BEEN WONDERFUL NEIGHBORS.
IT'S A WONDERFUL FAMILY AND TO ME IT'S A REAL ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT DOES NOT, I CAN'T SEE HOW IT COULD DETRACT FROM, FROM OUR PROPERTY VALUE.
IF ANYTHING, IT WOULD JUST INCREASE IT.
AND IT'S NOT LIKE THEY'RE BUILDING SOME LOG CABIN THAT'S GOING TO BE AN EYE STORE.
THIS WILL BE A BEAUTIFUL ADDITION.
IT LOOKS LIKE NOBODY ELSE HAVE ANY MOTION TO CLOSE.
UM, I THINK WE'LL MAKE A MOTION.
UH, THERE'S A LOT OF ITEMS THAT ARE ON HERE, SO ACTUALLY THERE'S JUST THAT'S RIGHT.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE, UH, VARIANCES FOR THE THREE ISSUES WITH THE SQUARE FOOTAGE BEING 1225.
THE HEIGHT RESTRICTION AT 16 AND A HALF BEING OVER THE 15 FOOT, AS WELL AS THE IMPERIAL IMPERIOUS COVERAGES.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT.
THERE'S NOTHING WE NEED FOR LIGHTING EVERYTHING, RIGHT? NO.
IT'S ALL ON THE LETTER, CORRECT? THAT'S ON THERE.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO, IN ADDITION TO THE CONDITION THAT A DEED RESTRICTION, BE PREPARED YES.
AND THE DEED RESTRICTION BE PREPARED.
REALLY CAN'T CONTINUE WITHOUT HER ATTORNEY.
ARE YOU CAP EIGHT? YOU GOTTA KEEP A NINE.
YOU CAN PUT THAT, THAT'S GONNA BE THE ISSUE.
DOES THAT GO IN THE FILE CABINET? HEY, IT'S DEFINITELY NOT GONNA FIT.
20 MEDFORD EAST BOROUGH ROAD BLOCK 4 0 1 LOT 9.01.
SEEKING IN USE VARIANCE FOR THE EXPANSION OF A NON-CONFORMING USE IN THE HIGHWAY MANAGEMENT ZONE.
AND BOTH VARIANCES FOR ENCROACHING INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACKS TO THE CONSTRUCTION OF A FRONT PORCH.
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
WHO'S GONNA BE TESTIFYING? BOTH OF YOU OR ONE OF YOU? UH, I GUESS I'LL START AND THEN HAND IT OVER.
MA'AM, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AS SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
AND PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME FOR THE RECORD.
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BOTH OF YOU ARE THE OWNERS OF THE PROPERTY? YES.YOU CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION PLEASE? UM, I JUST WANNA SAY WE ARE NOT PREPARED
UM, I SUBMIT IT TO THE, FOR THIS, UM, UH, HEARING AND ALSO I 17 OF MY 200, YOU KNOW, FOR HUNDRED FEET OF THE HOME.
UM, I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT THE 17 I DELIVERED EVERY ONE OF THEM STATED THAT THEY LOVE MY PORCH AND THEY, UM, BRING ALL 17 FAMILIES HERE.
UM, BUT OTHER THAN THAT, I, BECAUSE HE, UM, WELL THIS PROJECT DID NOT START OUT AS A WRAPAROUND PORCH.
UH, WE HAD AN ENCLOSED PORCH ON THE FRONT PORCH OF THE HOUSE.
UH, AND THEN ON THE ONE SIDE OF THE HOUSE WAS A PORCH AS WELL, UH, WITH A ROOF OVER IT.
UM, WE WALKED THE HOUSE IN JUNE AND THE FRONT PORCH HAD SOME WATER DAMAGE IN THAT FRONT ROOM.
UH, ONCE WE REMOVED THE WALLS AND EVERYTH, WE SEEN THE DAMAGE INTO THE FRAMING, WHICH LED TO THAT BE TORN DOWN.
UH, THE, THE PORCH ITSELF WAS A CONCRETE PORCH THERE.
IT ALSO HAD A PRETTY BIG CRACK GOING THROUGH IT.
SO ONE THING KIND OF LED TO THE NEXT.
WE ENDED UP EXPANDING OUR PORCH ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE AND DOWN THE ONE PORTION OF THE, UH, SIDE OF THE HOUSE.
UM, THE OVERALL DECK SPACE OF IT IS NOT MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WAS ORIGINALLY THERE AS FAR AS IT COMING OFF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE.
AND THEN ON THE SIDE PORCH AS WELL.
IT'S, IT'S NOT MUCH LARGER THAN WHAT WAS THERE.
UM, IT IS ENCLOSED, UH, AND NOT, IT'S NOT ENCLOSED.
IT'S ALL OPEN AND IT HAS THE ROOF AROUND THE TOP OF IT.
AND I THINK WHAT, UH, THE ISSUE IS, IS, UM, THE SETBACKS ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE HOUSE FROM THE PROPERTY LINE, UH, WE WE'RE IN THAT SETBACKS.
SO JUST AS FAR AS LIKE A TIMELINE IS CONCERNED, WHAT HAPPENED? YOU STARTED BUILDING THE PORCH AND THEN WALKED AT SEEK PERMITS? HE DID NOT GET PERMITS.
UH, THERE IS A REASON BEHIND THAT.
OUR, OUR MORTGAGE OR OUR INSURANCE COMPANY INSURANCE DROPPED WITHIN THAT FIRST MONTH.
UM, FOR, NO, THE REASONS BEHIND IT WERE VERY JUST, I, THERE WAS BASKETBALL COURT IN, IN THE DRIVEWAY.
THEY DIDN'T LIKE VERY SMALL THINGS THAT THEY, THEY DROPPED US FOR, WHICH WE HAD STARTED THIS PROJECT, STARTED TAKING THAT ROOM DOWN.
UM, I COULDN'T HAVE ANOTHER INSURANCE COMPANY COME IN AND SEE MIDDLE CONSTRUCTION, SO WE JUST KIND OF PUSHED THROUGH AS QUICK AS WE COULD.
YOU HAD THIS PORCH BUILT TO BE ABLE TO HAVE OWNER INSURANCE.
UM, ALARM, UH, WENT ON IN BEGINNING OF THIS, BUT WE GOT DROPPED BY THE FIRST OWNER'S INSURANCE COMPANY AND THEN, UM, MY HOUSE WAS BUILDING 18 HUNDREDS AND AFTER ALL THE STORM HAPPENED AT FLORIDA, THE LAST COUPLE OF YEARS, A LOT OF AGENCIES ARE MOVING OUTTA NEW JERSEY.
SO IT WAS VERY HARD TO FIND, UH, A HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE POLICY.
UM, AND BASED ON THE PREVIOUS OWNERS OF US, OUR HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE WENT UP OVER 3000 TO WHAT THEY WERE PAYING FOR BASICALLY THE SAME COVERAGE.
UM, AND THE SECOND INSURANCE, UH, CAME IN, THEY CAME AN INSPECTION AND THEY, THE CRACKS THAT WERE INSIDE THE FOUNDATIONS OF BOTH THE PORCHES AND THAT THE FOUNDATION FOUNDATIONAL CRACKS BE THIS FOR THE SECOND HOMEOWNER'S INSURANCE.
THAT IS WHEN WE, UH, DID AWAY WITH THE TWO, UH, SEPARATE PORCH.
AND WE ONE BECAUSE VERSUS FIXING
AND BUILT THE PORCH AND THESE PICTURES IS WHAT IT CURRENTLY LOOKS LIKE.
SO, SO YOU HAD WHAT, A CINDER BLOCK FOUNDATION FOR YOUR PORCHES? IT WAS CINDER BLOCK WITH THE, YOU KNOW, JUST CONCRETE OVER TOP OF IT.
WITH WHAT THEY WERE THERE ALL, AND SOME HAD A ROOF OVER IT, SOME DIDN'T.
THE FRONT ONE OFF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WAS ENCLOSED WITH THE ROOF.
UM, AND THE ONE IN THE DRIVEWAY SIDE THAT WAS JUST HAD A ROOF OVER IT.
I MEAN, I'M, I'M LOOKING AT YOUR SURVEY HERE.
I'M NOT SURE IT'S SHOWING LIKE, IT, IT'S SHOWING LIKE LANDINGS MORE AS OF THOSE, THE PORCHES YEAH.
SO THAT'S WHAT, BUT REGARDLESS, YOU SAID YOU HAD PORCHES GOING ALL THE WAY AROUND.
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A LAPTOP.YOUR INSURANCE COMPANY DIDN'T LIKE 'EM, SO YOU TORE 'EM DOWN AND YOU REBUILT THE PORCHES.
I I ESSENTIALLY THE PORCHES TOGETHER IS WHAT I ONE AND THEN THIS LITTLE RIGHT HERE AND THEN THIS HAD TO GET DEMOED.
IT'S JUST A MINE UPSIDE DOWN FROM YOURS.
YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN? I THINK THAT'S OKAY.
SO THAT'S NOT LIKE A WALKWAY THERE.
NO, I THINK THAT'S SOMETHING THAT'S THE OKAY.
BUT I THINK THIS IS WHERE THE GRAPHIC GOES.
SO TO REMEDIATE THE SITUATION, YOU REBUILT THE PORCH WITH POSTS, HE TOOK IT DOWN, RIGHT? YEAH.
HE TOOK THE WHOLE THING DOWN AND HE YEAH.
BUT HE, HE'S SHOWN PICTURES OF LIKE AROUND ALL GROUP FOOTINGS RIGHT.
AND YOU HAVE PROJECT TREE OF FLOOR JOY AND DECKING AND, AND A CROOKED COLUMN THERE.
SO, OKAY, SO YOU BUILD IT AND NOW YOU NEED A ZONING PERMIT AND YOU'LL HAVE PROBABLY HAVE TO GET A CONSTRUCTION PERMIT BECAUSE IT WASN'T EXISTING.
WHAT ARE THE TRUE VARIANCES THAT WE NEED? MR. RICKERS, IF I MAY JUST ASSIST, THEY ALSO REQUIRE A D TWO VARIANCE FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMING USE.
'CAUSE IT'S A RESIDENTIAL HOME WHERE THAT'S NOT PERMITTED.
'CAUSE THEY'RE EXPANDING THE DECK.
THEY ARE TECHNICALLY EXPANDING THE NONCONFORMITY AND IT'S NOT.
SO THEY DO STILL REQUIRE, IT WAS 200 YEARS AGO, BUT IT WAS 200 YEARS AGO.
SO THEY DO REQUIRE IT, UM, YEAH.
PROVES FOR IT OR ESSENTIALLY THAT THE, WE HAVE MY SYMPTOMS. THE PROPERTY CAN STILL WITHSTAND THE USE.
NOT CON NOT CON WITH EVEN WITH CONSIDERATION OF THE EXPANSION OF IT.
AND ESSENTIALLY WHY IT'S ALREADY PARTICULARLY SUITED AS THE OUTCOME I'M SURE WILL AGREE IS BECAUSE THIS IS A RESIDENTIAL HOME THAT HAS EXISTED.
SO IT REMAINS PARTICULARLY SUITED.
IS THAT CORRECT? IT'S BEEN RESIDENTIAL FOR YEARS, YOU KNOW, THERE'S NO COMMERCIAL, I MEAN, COMMERCIAL NEXT TO US.
SO IT'S WELL SUITED BECAUSE IT EXISTS, BUT IT'S IN A COMMERCIAL ZONE.
WE'RE, WE MANAGE, WE'RE, WE'RE LIKE, SO THEY JUST BUILT ALL THE UM, AUTUMN PARK WAS ALL RESIDENTIAL HOMES THAT WERE BUILT.
SO WE'RE LIKE RIGHT ON THAT SAME LIKE, PLOT OF LAND IS ALL OF THEM.
THEY JUST DIDN'T LIKE MAKE THE OFFER US, YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?
SO, UM, NEXT TO US IS, IS RESIDE, UH, IS COMMERCIAL, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY WE'RE IN ZONE COMMERCIAL HIGHWAY.
ALL THAT LANDED AROUND YOU PROBABLY WAS PART OF YOUR HOUSE AT ONE TIME, BUT IT WAS, IT WAS BEAUTIFUL.
WE WORKING, I'M SO, AS MR. VARGAS SAID THIS, THIS HOUSE IS PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR THIS BECAUSE IT EXISTS AS A HOUSE.
WELL, SO LET'S TALK ABOUT THE CHICKEN COOP.
UM, SO IT SAYS THERE IS A CHICKEN COOP IN THE FRONT YARD.
YOU SO DO YOU, IS THAT, UH, THERE, THAT EXISTS? OKAY.
ARE THERE ANY OTHER STRUCTURES OR DO YOU WANT, ARE YOU IN, IN THE FRONT YARD? ANY, ANY THE YARD, IN YOUR YARD? UH, IN, IN THE FACTOR THERE IS A, LIKE A GARAGE.
THERE'S SHED, BUT OTHER THAN THAT THERE'S NO LOT OF BUILDING.
SO THERE'S A PLASTIC SHED AND A DETACHED, DETACHED GARAGE BUILDING AND A CHICKEN COOP.
IS THERE A, IS THERE A POOL IN THE FRONT YARD NEXT TO THE CHICKEN CO? WE CIRCLE POOL? OH NO, NO.
WELL, YEAH, I THINK WHAT YOU SEE IN THE PICTURE YOU'RE REFERRING TO, THAT'S A TRAMPOLINE IN THERE.
BUT WE NO LONGER HAVE THAT YET.
BUT WHAT'S THE LOT SIZE AGAIN? SURE.
HALF ACRE, THREE FOURS AN ACRE 0.75 ACRES, LIKE A 2000, ABOUT THREE QUARTERS OF, OKAY.
DO WE NEED TO MAKE A DECISION ON THE CHICKENS OR IS THAT A PLANNING BOARD DETERMINATION? SO FOR THE TOWNSHIP, SO FOR THE CHICKENS IT'S SOMEWHAT UNIQUE BECAUSE THE WAY THE ORDINANCE READS IS THAT CHICKEN COOPS ARE CONSIDERED CONSISTENT IN ACCESSORY WITH RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURES FOR THEIR BEING PERMITTED.
BUT THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL IN RESIDENTIAL ZONES.
BUT THIS IS NOT A RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
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AN ACKNOWLEDGEMENT THAT THE CHICKEN COOP EXISTS AS ACCESSORY TO THE NON-CONFORMING USE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.BUT YOU'RE NOT PROVING THE CHICKEN COOP BECAUSE IT'S NOT NECESSARILY A ZONING, IT'S AN ENFORCEMENT THROUGH LIKE ESSENTIALLY THE POLICE REGULATION ASPECT OF IT.
SO IT'S NOT, IT'S NOT A ZONING FUNCTION, BUT YOU WOULD BE ACKNOWLEDGING THAT IT'S THERE OR INSTRUCTING 'EM TO REMOVE IT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL ASSOCIATED WITH THE D TWO VARIANCE FOR THE USE VARIANCE.
BUT IF THIS HOME WERE IN A RESIDENTIAL ZONE, THE CHICKEN COOP WOULD BE CONSIDERED AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE AND WOULD BE FINE? YES.
NOT IN THE LOCATION IT'S IN, NOT IN THE LOCATION, BUT ON THE PROPERTY IT WOULD BE.
UM, BUT AGAIN, THIS WOULD'VE ONLY BEEN PERMITTED IF THIS WAS CONSTRUCTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF CHAPTER 86, UH, THE KEEPING OF CHICKENS.
IT WOULD'VE BEEN REQUIRED TO HAVE BEEN A FIVE ACRE PARCEL.
UM, WHICH THE PROPERTY IS NOT.
SO IT'S A NON, IT'S AN UNAUTHORIZED STRUCTURE.
SO BARBARA'S POINT, UH, NOT CONFORMING TO MAKE IT CONFORMING, THEY WOULD'VE TO MOVE THE GROUP, BUT THEY, BECAUSE CO ARE ONLY PERMITTED IN RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, UH, OR DIRECTED FROM ZONING BOARD OF THE STRUCTURED, THE BOARD ACKNOWLEDGES THAT NOW THAT WOULD GIVE THEM THE ABILITY TO GO AND GET A PERMIT TO RELOCATE THAT TO A CONFORMING LOCATION.
SO THE ONLY TWO OPTIONS WOULD BE TO REMOVE IT OR MOVE IT TO A CONFORMING LOCATION.
PARDON? YOU'RE WILLING TO MOVE IT? YES.
YOU JUST WANT TO KEEP YOUR CHICKENS.
YEAH, THEY DO HAVE A CONFORMING LOCATION.
THE FORM WOULD ACKNOWLEDGE RELATIVE TO THE APPROPRIATE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THERE WAS A
ALTHOUGH NOT IN THE RESIDENTIAL ZONE.
THIS HAS BEEN A CONTINUED RESIDENTIAL PROBLEM.
UM, AND THE BOARD, UH, I GUESS WOULD NOT TAKE EXCEPTION TO THE ISSUANCE OF COMPLIANT CHICKEN GOOP.
CHICKEN
THEY DON'T END UP BACK HERE IN FOUR MONTHS OVER A CHICKEN GOOP, RIGHT? YES.
NOT THE CHICKENS BUT THE COOP.
I GUESS THE BIGGEST ISSUE WE HAVE THEN IS THE MULTIPLE STRUCTURES THAT WE'VE GOT AN EXTERIOR, WE'VE GOT A, A LARGE, I DON'T WANNA CALL IT A DETACHED GARAGE, BUT THAT'S KIND OF LIKE A DETACHED STRUCTURE, WHATEVER THAT IS.
WHAT'S IN THAT STRUCTURE? IT'S A WOOD SHOP.
THERE'S NO ELECTRIC OUT THERE.
YOU CAN'T, YOU CAN'T DRIVE A VEHICLE IN THERE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S IT'S A WOOD SHOP.
WE'VE GOT A SHED AND WE'VE GOT A CHICKEN COOP.
AND THEN YOU SAID ANOTHER PLASTIC, SOMETHING ELSE.
THERE'S FOUR STRUCTURES ON THIS THING RUBBER MADE.
SO WE, WE HAD RECOMMENDED THAT IF THE BOARD, OBVIOUSLY THE SITE HAS QUITE A HISTORY OVER A CENTURY.
UM, WE'VE RECOMMENDED THAT ANY OF THESE EXISTING STRUCTURES BE LOCATED AND SHOWN ON A PLAN SO THAT THE ZONING OFFICE CAN HAVE AN IDENTIFICATION OF WHAT IS OUT THERE TODAY.
AND, AND FURTHER THE UNDERSTAND THAT ANY ADDITIONAL STRUCTURE REQUEST NOW, SO THEY'RE, UM, AT LEAST IDENTIFIED, UH, THERE VIDEO A ESSENTIALLY A SNAPSHOT WHAT EXISTS.
SO, AND RIGHT NOW WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
IS THERE ANY DOUBT? I DON'T WANNA SAY LIKE CAN ONE OF THESE GO AWAY
YOU KNOW, YOUR LOT SIZE IS ELIGIBLE FOR ONE EXTERIOR STRUCTURE WITHOUT HAVING A VARIANCE.
IS THAT CORRECT? SO YEAH, BUT WE DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT THESE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES.
THAT'S WHAT MR. TAYLOR WAS SAYING.
IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, WE DON'T KNOW.
NO, WE KNOW DOCUMENT, BUT RIGHT.
REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY ARE, WHAT SIZE THEY ARE AND ALL THAT, I MEAN, DOCUMENTING IT IS GREAT, BUT LIMITING THEM FROM FOUR TO ONE IS NOT REASONABLE.
BUT COULD, BUT HOW CAN WE GET COMFORTABLE WITH ALLOWING STRUCTURES IF WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE, HOW BIG THEY ARE? WE CAN'T, ONE THING THE BOARD COULD DO IS
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ASK THE APPLICANT IF THEY'D BE WILLING TO PREPARE A CURRENT SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY AND COME BACK MUCH LIKE WE JUST DID WITH, UM, MR. AND MRS. CALLUSY.WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? TO GETTING A SURVEY? YEAH.
UM, IS THIS ABOUT THE CO NOPE.
ALL, ALL EXTERNAL, ALL OTHER STRUCTURES.
THE CO GIVE THE APPLICANT SOME TIME TO REACH OUT TO THE TOWN ABOUT GETTING A, A CHICKEN PERMIT PERMIT.
SO THAT WE MAKE SURE THAT WHEN WE DO COME BACK TO THIS COURT, WE CAN COORDINATE TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING THAT THE TOWNSHIP NEEDS RELATIVE TO HANDLED AND WE CAN EVALUATE.
BECAUSE IF THEY REQUIRE ANYTHING FOR THEM TO DO THAT, WE CAN MAKE SURE IT'S IN THE VARIANCE.
SO THAT'S A, THAT'S A GOOD PULL OFF ACTUALLY.
WOULD THEY GIVE US A HARD TIME ABOUT GETTING A PERMIT FOR THAT BEING THAT WERE ZONED UP OUTTA COMMERCIAL? THEY PROBABLY WON'T, THEY WOULDN'T ISSUE THE PERMIT YET.
BUT IF YOU, IF YOU INITIATE THAT PROCESS, UM, I DON'T WANNA COMMIT MS. BELL, BUT BETWEEN OUR OFFICE MS. BELL AND TOWNSHIP, WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT, UM, YOU ARE AWARE THEN OF WHERE IT WOULD HAVE TO GO AND WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT BETWEEN THE TOWNSHIP LEVEL AND BOARD LEVEL IN A COUPLE OF MONTHS, EVERYBODY'S GOT WHAT THEY NEED TO GET THE LOCATION IT NEEDS TO BE.
YOU SHOULD PROBABLY HAVE A TITLE IF YOU JUST PURCHASED THE PROPERTY.
YOU PROBABLY HAVE A MORE RECENT SURVEY.
I THINK THIS SURVEY IS FROM 2000.
SO I THINK BUCK I WENT WITHOUT THE SURVEY.
IT, IT REALLY WOULD MAKE IT A LOT EASIER FOR US TO UNDERSTAND THE PROJECT, IF YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN.
JUST COURSE, PROJECT EVERY, ALL PARTS OF IT WITH THE SURVEY TO SHOW THE EXTERNAL STRUCTURES THAT ARE THERE.
UM, I DON'T THINK YOU REALLY NEED MUCH ABOUT THE ADDITION PART OF IT ON THERE.
YOU CAN HAVE IT NOW ACTUALLY WRAP AROUND THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO ON YOUR SURVEY.
AND THAT WOULD BE GOOD TO HAVE ABSOLUTELY.
HOW THAT ACTUALLY SURVEY IDENTIFY THOSE.
IT SEEMS LIKE THAT WAS GONNA BE A REQUIREMENT ANYWAY.
WE WERE ASKING FOR A SNAPSHOT.
SO EITHER WAY THEY, THEY WERE GONNA NEED TO GET A SURVEY.
SO THIS WAY WE CAN LIMIT THE TIMES THEY HAVE TO COME BACK.
UM, SO WOULD YOU BE OPEN TO THAT? SO WE'RE NOT GONNA MAKE A DECISION TONIGHT.
GO GET THE SURVEY AND THEN, UM, I GUESS IT DEPENDS ON THIS.
CAN YOU GET IT AS FAR AS CARRYING IT? YEAH, I MEAN PROBABLY WE'RE TALKING JUNE.
JULY I JUST HAD A SURVEY PREPARED FOR THE MATTER THAT I HAD AND IT TOOK ME MY, THE WAIT TIME WAS EIGHT WEEKS AND I DO A SUBSTANTIAL AMOUNT OF WORK WITH THESE PEOPLE.
SO THEY, I STILL WAS EIGHT WEEKS.
AND YOU GUYS WERE PROBABLY LOOKING AT LIKE A 12 WEEK TIME RIGHT NOW.
SO I'M, I'M THINKING MAYBE JULY.
UM, MS. BROWN, WHAT DAY IS THE MEETING IN JULY 16TH? YOU COULD CARRY THE APPLICATION TO JULY 16TH WITHOUT THE NEED TO FURTHER NOTICE.
MEANING YOU DON'T HAVE TO WALK AROUND AND GET ALL YOUR NEIGHBORS TO SIGN AND YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUBLISH A NEWSPAPER.
AND IF THEY HAVE A SURVEY AT THAT TIME, THEY CAN COME BACK.
OR ALTERNATIVELY THEY SHOW UP ON THE 16TH AND SAY WE STILL NEED ANOTHER MONTH.
CAN YOU CARRY US TO THE AUGUST MEETING? MM-HMM
AND THE BOARD, IF IT WAS SO INCLINED, COULD AGREE TO ADJOURN THE MEETING OR TABLE THE MEETING UNTIL THE AUGUST WITHOUT FURTHER NOTICE AS WELL.
JUST SO THAT THEY CAN KEEP A THUMB ON IT AND EVERYBODY CAN KEEP BEING INFORMED IF THAT'S, I I HAVE ONE CONCERN WITH THIS WHOLE THING IS DOES THAT MEAN CONSTRUCTION STOPS THE WAY IT ISN'T RIGHT NOW UNTIL JULY BECAUSE I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THAT HOUSE IN A LITTLE BIT SAFER CONDITION THAN IT IS RIGHT THIS SECOND.
STOPPING CONSTRUCTION IS NOT A SAFE, THIS PROPERTY IS NOT SAFE ENOUGH BASED ON WHAT I'M LOOKING AT RIGHT NOW.
SO I WOULD LIKE TO SEE, YOU KNOW, STEPS, RAILING, THINGS LIKE THAT TO GET IN AND OF THE HOUSE, NOT CARRY IT FOR THREE MONTHS WITH A SAFETY HAZARD.
NOW AT THIS POINT, CAN WE, THAT'S WHAT I'M CONCERNED WITH.
I I I DON'T BELIEVE MEDFORD WILL EVER ISSUE THE CONSTRUCTION PERMIT WHILE THE APPLICATION IS PENDING.
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DO YOU CALL IT? ABDICATE OR UH, CAN WE CAN DO TWO PARTS OF IT.AN APPROVAL PART, NOT WE COULD YOU COULD BIFURCATE IT.
BIFURCATE WE COULD APPROVE THE D TWO VARIANCE ASPECT OF IT.
WHICH WOULD GRANT THEM THE RELIEF FOR THE EXPANSION OF THE SH OF THE PROPERTY FOR THE WRAP ROUND PROPERTY AND THE WRAPAROUND PORCH.
AND THEN ASK THEM TO RETURN FOR ANY REMAINING VARIANCES WITH THAT ARE APPLICABLE FOR ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, WHAT VARI ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
BUT YOU WOULD ALSO BE SIMULTANEOUSLY GRANTING THE BULK VARIANCES FOR THE SETBACKS THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE DECK.
UM, SO YOU COULD TODAY AND THE OTHER S I'M SO SORRY.
AND THE OTHER STRUCTURES 'CAUSE WE REALLY DON'T KNOW WHERE THEY ARE EITHER.
WELL YOU WOULD BE GRANTING THE BULK VARIANCES THAT ARE ASSOCIATED WITH THE SETBACK FOR THE DECK AND THE D TWO TODAY.
AND THEN BIFURCATE AND ASK THE APPLICANT TO RETURN ON A SURVEY WITH A SURVEY TO ADDRESS THE REMAINING ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
UM, THAT'S KIND OF WHERE MY THOUGHTS ARE AT.
MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU SEE ANY ISSUES RISING FROM THAT? I DON'T.
THE ONLY THING I WOULD ADD IS IF, IF FOR SOME REASON THE BALANCE OF THE REMAINING STRUCTURES ARE FULLY COMPLIANT, IT WOULD ELIMINATE THE NEED BACK TO EVEN COME BACK TO COME BACK.
TO COME BACK AND WHERE YOU COULD REVIEW THE SURVEY AND BE LIKE, YEP, WE'RE GOOD 'CAUSE WE'VE ALREADY APPROVED THIS VARIANCE PIECE THAT WOULD WORK.
AND THE RESOLUTION COULD BE CRAFTED IN SUCH A WAY THAT UPON RESUBMISSION OF THE, OF THE SUPPLEMENTAL MATERIALS, IN THE EVENT THAT VARIANCE RELIEF IS REQUIRED FOR THE, UM, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES, THE APPLICANT WOULD RETURN TO THE BOARD AND THE BOARD WOULD RETAIN JURISDICTION OVER THE APPLICATION TO, WELL WHAT WOULD MAKE THEM NOT HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE ADDITIONAL STRUCTURES? IF THEY MAINTAIN A SHIPPING COOP, NOTHING WOULD STILL TO AND THE SHED.
YOU'D STILL HAVE TOCAUSE, THERE'S MULTIPLE STRUCTURES.
THEY WOULD HAVE TO REMOVE ONE OF THOSE ALL THREE.
UNLESS THEY COME IN INTO A CERTIFICATE OF NONCONFORMITY AND PROVE THAT ALL THREE HAVE EXISTED PRIOR TO THE ADOPTION OF THE TOWNSHIP'S DEVELOPMENT ORDINANCES.
WHICH IS WHAT HASN'T BEEN APPLIED FOR AND IS A HURDLE IN AND OF ITSELF.
SO THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK FOR THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
BUT AGAIN, THIS BIFURCATING IT WOULD BE ABLE TO GET THEM TO PROCESS, TO GET A PERMIT TO GET THIS THING SAFE.
I MEAN, WHEN I'M LOOKING AT THE PICTURES, I JUST DON'T WANT SOMEBODY GOING DOWN THOSE STAIRS.
MY HUSBAND HAS TO BE MURDER, BREAK AND FOLLOW DOWN THE STAIRS.
SHE WANTS KNOW REALLY ALL, SO I HIT THE NAIL ON THE HEAD.
I'M JUST SAYING, SAID YOU HAVE HOMEOWNER UNTIL JULY.
DIDN'T WANT CONTINUE ON WHEN I WAS TOLD TO STOP.
YOU KNOW, SO I, THAT'S WHY HAD TO MAKE SURE IT WAS OKAY.
ARE YOU OKAY WITH IT? OKAY, LET'S OPEN IT UP TO THE, YEAH.
IF THERE'S ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WHO WISHES TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY COME FORWARD NOW.
OKAY, SO CAN WE MAKE A MOTION TO BIFURCATE THE APPLICATION? YOU CAME UP WITH THE IDEA.
DID WE ADDRESS ALL OF YOUR CONCERNS, MR. TAYLOR? AS FAR AS, UH, THAT'S THE PORCH.
I BELIEVE THAT DIDN'T GUESS SO IT'S, IT'S FOR, AS MR. BAR INDICATED, D TWO VARIANCE FOR THE EXPANSION OF NON PERFORMING USE.
THEN TWO SIDE YARD SETBACKS OF 37 FEET AND 20 FEET, 50 FEET.
OTHERWISE BE REQUIRED SATION OR I WOULD SAY FOR THE COURTS MAKE A MOTION TO BIFURCATE THE APPLICATION.
UH, YEAH, AS MR. TAYLOR SAID,
EXACTLY AS MR. AND THEN THEY'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK WITH A SURVEY.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, RIGHT AND RETURN, DO THAT RETURN WITH THE SURVEY SHOWING THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AND THE, UH, LOCATION OF THE CHICKEN COOP PROPOSED LOCATION OF THE CHICKEN COOP.
SO GO GET A PERMIT FOR P SHOULD WE APPROVE IT? I SECOND THAT.
SO, AND JUST FOR THE RECORD, ARE WE GOING TO CARRY TO A DATE, SIR? JULY.
SO THE SECOND ASPECT OF THIS APPLICATION WILL BE CARRIED TILL JULY 16TH, 2025 WITHOUT THE NEED DE FURTHER NOTICE IN ORDER TO ADDRESS ANY REMAINING OUTSTANDING VARIANCE RELIEF.
WAIT, I'M SORRY, WHAT JUST HAPPENED? NOTHING, NOT YET.
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MR. HAMILTON.OKAY, SO WHAT JUST HAPPENED? THE DECK WAS APPROVED.
SO THAT'S THE EXPANSION OF THE NONCONFORMING.
YOUR SETBACK AND LOCATIONS OF THE DECK ARE ALSO APPROVED.
SO YOU CAN GO AND GET YOUR PERMIT TO GO FINISH EVERYTHING THAT YOU GUYS ARE PROPOSING TO DO.
BUT YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO COME BACK IN JO BY JULY 16TH.
SO YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REACH OUT TO A LAND SURVEY TO GET A SURVEY OF THE PROPERTY IDENTIFYING ALL THE LOCATIONS OF THE EXISTING ACCESSORY STRUCTURE, ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
AND IN BETWEEN NOW AND JULY 16TH, YOU'RE GONNA HAVE TO REACH OUT TO THE TOWNSHIP TO TALK ABOUT THE CHICKEN COOP AND IF THE OKAY.
WHERE IT COULD BE CONFORMING AND WHEN YOU COME BACK IN JULY, YOU'RE GONNA TELL THE BOY THIS IS WHERE THE CONFORMING LOCATION OF THE CHICKEN COOP IS GOING TO BE.
AND AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE X AMOUNT OF ACCESSORY STRUCTURES AS IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN.
UM, YET YES, WE NEED A VARIANCE OR NO, WE DON'T NEED A VARIANCE AND WE WILL ADDRESS THAT AT THAT TIME.
UM, BUT UM, LIKE WITH THE, THE STRUCTURE, LIKE THE PRINT OF THE DETACH GARAGE THING THAT YOU CAN'T DRIVE.
UM, SO NOW THAT'S THERE THAT WHEN WE BOUGHT THE HOUSE, NOW WE HAVE TO REQUEST THE VARIANCE FOR THAT.
IF IT DOESN'T CONFORM TO SOMETHING EVEN THOUGH ALREADY EXISTS PER PERHAPS, PERHAPS IF THERE WERE NO PERMITS OBTAINED FOR THAT AND IT'S NOT A LAWFULLY EXISTING NONCONFORMING STRUCTURE, THEN WE WOULD HAVE TO OKAY.
WHICH IS WHY YOU'RE COMING BACK ANYWAY.
AND WHEN SURVEY ONE MORE QUESTION AND UM, SINCE THIS IS, HASN'T BEEN MEMORIALIZED TO, THEY NEED SOMETHING IN WRITING FROM YOU SAYING THAT WE APPROVED IT AS A BOARD FOR THEM TO GO TO CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT OR DO THEY HAVE TO WAIT UNTIL NEXT MEETING TO GET THEIR PERMITS STARTED? WELL IT SOUNDED LIKE THE, UM, CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL DON'T HAVE TO BE MET FOR SEVERAL MONTHS AND AS LONG AS THEY COME BACK IN JULY, IT'S, IT'S, IT'S JUST KIND OF DIFFICULT BECAUSE USUALLY I ISSUE THE ZONING PERMIT ONCE THE CONDITIONS OF APPROVAL HAVE BEEN MET.
BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE THEY HAVE TO COME BACK IN JULY.
SO IT'S A LITTLE TRICKY FOR ME AND I'M GLAD YOU ASKED.
SO IT'S LIKE, HOW DO I ISSUE THEM A ZONING PERMIT? RIGHT.
SO IT'S SEPARATE, IT'S BIFURCATED.
YOU'RE BASED ON THE APPROVAL OF TODAY'S, BUT I'M ISSUING THE ZONING PERMIT BASED ON THE APPROVAL THAT YOU GAVE THEM.
THEY HAVE TO MEET ALL THE CONDITIONS PERMIT TO BE ISSUED.
NO, THERE, THERE'S NO CONDITIONS.
SO IT'S A BI CONDITION ISN'T TO COME BACK? NO, THAT'S A BIFURCATED.
SO THEY'RE GONNA RETURN FOR ADDITIONAL VARIANCE RELIEF.
THE BOARD IS RETAINING JURISDICTION OVER THE APPLICATION THEN IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE THERE'S AN ISSUE.
SO WE HAVE TO PAY THE SAME, YOU STILL HAVE TO ISSUE IT? NO.
THAT'S WHY THE BOARD IS RETAINING DELIVER.
WELL I MET ALL THE NEIGHBORS COUNCIL THAT WOULD WORK WITH THIS.
A RESOLUTION OF THIS FOR THE NEXT HEARING.
I'LL HAVE A RESOLUTION OF THIS FOR THE MAY HEARING, IDENTIFYING HOW IT HAS BEEN BIFURCATED.
THE BOARD HAS RETAINED JURISDICTION.
HERE'S THE RELIEF THAT'S BEEN APPROVED AND THIS IS WHAT ASPECT OF THE APPLICATION WAS BIFURCATED.
IT'S RETURN FOR A SITE PLAN TO IDENTIFY THE LOCATION OF THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURES.
SO TECHNICALLY I THINK ANN WOULD THEN ISSUE ZONING PERMIT THE DAY AFTER, ESSENTIALLY.
WELL THAT WAS WHAT I WAS ASKING.
DO WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT FOR 30 DAYS UNTIL THAT'S DONE? RIGHT.
THAT THAT'S WHY CAN WE DO THIS RIGHT NOW? THAT'S AS LONG AS THERE'S NO CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL THAT WE CAN'T MEMORIALIZE IT.
YEAH, THAT WOULD PREVENT ME FROM THE, THE ONLY CONDITIONS ARE MEMORIALIZATION OF IT.
BUT YOU HAVE TO WAIT THE 30 DAYS IN CASE SOMEBODY FROM THE UNIVERSE OF THE PUBLIC WANTS TO COME UP AND CHALLENGE IT.
BUT THE CONSTRUCTION DEPARTMENT CAN PICK UP THE ANCY, UH, AND DID THESE, DID THIS PASS AND SHE COULD YEAH.
SO IT'S KIND OF LIKE, WHAT DO YOU CALL IT? WE'RE CALLING IT A COURTESY, BUT WHAT YOU WOULD DO IS ACTUALLY FILL OUT AN ROO.
SO YOU WOULD PROCEED AT, YOU'RE ON RISK KNOWING THAT YOUR DEC THE BOARD'S DECISION CAN BE APPEALED.
AND AND THE AND APPEAL TO SOME.
AND WE HONESTLY, THE BOARD IS SAYING THAT THEY DON'T WANT YOU TO SIT ON THIS, THEY WANT YOU TO TAKE THAT AT RISK, IF YOU DON'T MIND BECAUSE IT'S A SAFETY HAZARD RIGHT NOW WE, WE CAN'T OVERLOOK A SAFETY HAZARD.
I THINK IT'S, I WOULD LOVE TO FINISH, WELL APPLY FOR THE PERMIT, SEE WHAT HAPPENS.
WELL, OR NEXT MONDAY, WHATEVER.
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FRIDAY'S A GOOD DAY.WHAT'S THAT? FRIDAY'S A GOOD DAY.
I'M SORRY, WE'RE OFF ON FRIDAY, SO WE TOMORROW OR MONDAY BACK ON TRACK.
ANYTHING ELSE? ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
YOU'RE GOOD TO GO? 12 WEEK LEAD
GOOD LUCK WITH YOUR PROJECT LOOKING CONNECTION, HAVING COURT.
I WAS, I A HUNDRED PERCENT SURE OBLIGATED TO SAY SOMETHING ABOUT IT WHEN I SAW THAT PICTURE OF THAT.
THAT'S WHAT I WENT ON ABOUT STAIRS BECAUSE IF HE, IT'S ALL ME.
THAT'S WHAT IT FEELS LIKE BECAUSE WE'RE NOW AWARE OF IT.
PERSONALLY WAS MY HOUSE, I'D BE GO THE STEPS TOMORROW.
DO YOU WANT, DO YOU NEED A, A BREAK? I DON'T NEED A BREAK, NO.
OKAY, WE'RE GONNA PUSH FORWARD.
IS TODD UH, RE 100 MANN ROAD BLOCK 62 0 1.
LOT ONE SEEKING BULK VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT AND REAR, REAR YARD SETBACKS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING ON AN UNDERSIZED LAW IN THE RGT TWO ZONE.
SIR, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
YOU'RE IN THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES.
SIR, ARE YOU GONNA BE PROVIDING TESTIMONY AS WELL? DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AND ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I'M NOT.
PLEASE PROVIDE THE BOARD OF A BRIEF OVERVIEW OF YOUR PROFESSIONAL EXPERTISE IN THE FIELD OF, UM, CIVIL ENGINEERING.
UM, I HAVE A BACHELOR'S DEGREE IN CIVIL ENGINEERING FROM DR.
PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER STANLEY STATE, NEW JERSEY FOR 15 YEARS.
UH, I HAVE PROVIDED TESTIMONY TO THIS BOARD, BEEN SOME TIME RECOMMEND THE BOARD ACCEPT HIS CREDENTIALS AS A PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.
UH, NOTICE THIS APPLICATION HAS BEEN PUBLISHED 10 TIMES NOTICE PROVIDED TO PROPERTY OWNERS WITHIN 200 FEET.
UM, I'M HERE WITH A, THE APPLICATION IS FOR THE SET PROPERTY NOTICE ROAD, ALSO 60.
UM, AS YOU STATED, THE PROPERTY IS IN THE RRG TWO DISTRICT.
UM, LOT MAINTAINS FRONT, BOTH INCH ROAD AND CENTAL DAM ROAD, WHICH YOU CAN SEE ON THE, ON THE EXHIBIT HERE.
THIS IS JUST SHEET ONE OF THE, THAT WAS SUBMITTED, UH, FOR THE APPLICATION.
UH, ACCESS TO THE LOT WAS PROPOSED FROM ENGINE ROAD AND THIS LOT WAS CREATED BY MAJOR SUBDIVISION APPROVAL IN 1977.
THE FILE MAP, UM, THE MAP WAS FILED IN 1978.
UH, THIS APPROVAL WAS BEFORE THE ADOPTION OF THE PILOTS COMMISSION COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN, WHICH REQUIRES A LOT SIZE OF 3.283.
SO THAT BEING SAID, THE EXISTING LOT, UH, HAS TWO NON-CONFORMANCES.
UM, ONE IS FOUR LOT AREA, AREA WHERE 3.2 ACRES IS REQUIRED.
THE LOT EXISTS AS NINE NINE ACRES AND WHERE A LOCKED DEPTH OF 300 FEET IS REQUIRED, BUT CURRENTLY IS 86 9.
SO THOSE ARE WHAT EXISTING NONCONFORMANCES.
UM, HOWEVER, DUE TO THOSE NONCONFORMANCES, UM, WE ARE SEEKING VARIANCES FROM THE FRONT.
SO REAR YARD SETBACK WITH REQUIREMENT.
SO THE PROPOSED PROPOSED FRONT YARD SETBACK TOMAN, IT IS 64 FEET, WHERE 75 FEET WHICH ARE REQUIRED.
AND THE REAR YARD SETBACK IS 66.5 FEET, WHERE 100 FEET IS REQUIRED.
SO IT'S MY PROFESSIONAL OPINION THAT THESE VARIANCES CAN BE GRANTED ON THE C1 HARDSHIP VARIANCE CRITERIA, WHICH ALLOWS A VARIANCE TO GRANTED DUE TO THE NARROWNESS, CHALLENG OR REGULAR SHAPE IN SIZE OF THE PROPERTY.
SO LONG AS SUBSTANTIAL S NO SUBSTANTIAL GOOD, THE BENEFITS OF DEVIATION OUT VETERAN AND THE OF THE VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY COMPARE THE INTENT, PURPOSE OF THE ZONE PLAN ZONE IMPORTANCE.
SO IT'S PREVIOUSLY STATED THE LOT DEPTH WAS 186.49 FEET.
THE REQUIRED FROM REAR SETBACKS TOTAL 75 FEET, WHICH LEAVES 11.49 FEET TO CONSTRUC A HOUSE, WHICH ESSENTIALLY
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RENDERS THE LOT UNBILLABLE WITHOUT MERIT RELIEF.UM, SO WITH THAT SAID, I THINK THAT DEFINITELY, UH, MEETS THE, THE SHALLOWNESS CRITERIA.
UM, AND THEN RESPONSE TO ANY NEGATIVE CRITERIA THAT THE LOT WAS CREATED FOR THE PURPOSE OF BUILDING A HOME THAT WAS BEING CONSTRUCTED.
UM, THE PROPOSED PLAN, HE SPOKE THE MAXIMUM BUILDING COVER AND LOT COVER REQUIREMENTS FOR NOT PROPOSING ANY MORE ALLOW.
UM, AND EVERY OTHER BULK CRITERIA IS MET WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE NON PERFORMANCE REPORT FRONT.
UH, SO MY OPINION THERE IS NO DETRIMENT BECAUSE THE, THE PURPOSE OF THIS OWN VERSUS WHICH IS WHAT'S BUILT AND IT'S IN WITH THE, UH, IT'S CONSISTENT WITH THE SURROUNDING.
UM, THE SETBACKS ARE GENERALLY CONSISTENT ACROSS THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
UM, AND AGAIN, WE NEED PRESS THE, UH, THE BULK REQUIREMENTS.
UM, I HAVE THE RECEIPT OF THE DESIGN GROUP LETTER DATED MARCH 6TH, 2005, WHICH REQUESTED THE TESTIMONY WAS PROVIDED, UH, FOR THE VARIANCES REQUESTED.
UM, THERE ARE A HANDFUL OF OTHER, UM, COMMENTS WE TAKE NO EXCEPTION TO ADDRESSING THEM.
WE JUST ESTIMATE THE CONDITION OF ANY APPROVAL WE MAY RECEIVE.
UH, WE'D BE HAPPY TO ANSWER ANY QUESTIONS.
IS THERE ANY, YOU MIGHT HAVE JUST SAID THIS, THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL ACCESSORY STRUCTURES PROPOSED? NO.
AND WHAT ABOUT PAVING? THERE'S A DRIVEWAY, UM, TO THE HOUSE MM-HMM
AND THEN SEPARATE SYSTEM, UH, THERE ARE, THERE IS A SHORT RETAINING WALL ON THE SOUTH SIDE.
UM, THIS HOUSE WILL HAVE A WALKOUT BASEMENT.
UM, SO JUST FACILITATE THE GRADING, UM, IN ORDER TO DROP, DROP THE GRADE AT THAT POINT TO GET.
OTHER THAN THAT, THERE WAS A COMMENT IN THE MEMBER LETTER REGARDING, UM, YOU KNOW, A SUGGESTION OF ADDING ANY POTENTIAL LOT COVERAGE THAT PATIOS AND SUCH THAT MAY HAPPEN.
THERE ARE NONE PROPOSED AT THIS MOMENT.
I MEAN, I CAN'T GUARANTEE THAT COME BEFORE YOU, UM, ASK FOR VARIANCE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT.
UM, I WILL SAY THAT THE ALLOW LOT A HUNDRED IS 15%.
WE'RE AT 10.2%, UM, BASED ON THE SIZE OF THE LOT, THAT LEAVES APPROXIMATELY 1,700 SQUARE FEET OF COVERAGE THAT COULD BE ADDED, UH, WITHOUT VARIANCE.
UM, AGAIN, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANYTHING WITH THAT, BUT THAT, THAT'S WHERE IT STANDS ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT WERE IMPOSED IN PREVIOUS RESOLUTIONS, UM, REMAIN OR THOSE CONDITIONS WOULD REMAIN OKAY UNLESS RELIEF FROM THEM IS REQUESTED BY THE APPLICANT.
SO WE DON'T NEED TO GO OVER THE VEGETATION AND TREE REMOVAL AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
I WOULD DEFER TO MR. TAYLOR ON TREE REMOVAL AND VEGETATION IF HE'S COMFORTABLE WITH THE PROPOSED APPLICATION.
THAT EFFECT, BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS REQUIRE ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS ASSOCIATED WITH THE NEW VARIANCES, BUT THEY CAN'T GET LESS THAN WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY APPROVED.
WITHOUT, UM, I, I DO THINK IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE JUST TO CARRY FORWARD.
UH, BUT THERE WAS A PRIOR RESTRICTION THAT DRIVEWAY ACCESS TO PROPERTY OF THE
THAT IS CONSISTENT WITH THE PLAN THAT'S, THAT'S PROPOSED.
UM, BUT OBVIOUSLY TRAFFIC CONFIGURATIONS ON THOSE TWO.
UM, WE HAD COMMENTS IN OUR REPORT ABOUT COMPLIANCE WITHS, TREE PRESERVATION ORDINANCE.
THEY AGREED TO COMPLY WITH THAT.
SO THEY'LL TO BE THAT AND REQUIRED IF THERE ARE ANY ADDITIONAL LANDSCAPE REQUIREMENTS, MAY WANNA SOME THAT, UM, WHETHER OR NOT GIVEN AMONG YOURSELVES OR POTENTIALLY AFTER IF THERE'S ANY, UH, PUBLIC CONCERN ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
YOU DID IDENTIFY THE, THE VARIANCES THAT WERE REQUIRED.
UH, AND WE DID ASK FOR SOME TESTIMONY PRESENTATION OF PROPOSED IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE PROOFS
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THAT WERE PROVIDED BY MR BAG IN TERMS OF COLORS AND MATERIALS SPECIFIC.THERE IS, UH, ELEVATIONS WERE, WERE PROVIDED.
THEY WERE SHOWING A RIGHT HAND GARAGE WHERE A LEFT HAND GARAGE IS UH, PROPOSED.
UM, I THINK WE'VE HAD DISCUSSIONS WITH THOSE BEFORE.
UM, OFTENTIMES, YOU KNOW, HOMEOWNERS ARE, OR HOME DESIGNS ARE DESIGNED ONE WAY AND YOU CAN EITHER BUILD IT IN REVERSE OR, UM, IT'S NOT NECESSARILY DESIGNED.
I DO HAVE, UH, I CALL RENDER WAS PROVIDED.
IT'S SHOWING A, AN OPTIONAL PIECE.
THE FRONT LOADED GARAGE, WHICH IS NOT WHAT PROPOSED.
IT'S A SIDE LOADED GARAGE, BUT THE, UM, COLORS ARE SHOWING COLOR IF YOU'D LIKE TO SEE THEM.
AND I BELIEVE WE'RE UP TO EXHIBIT NINE ON THIS APPLICATION.
YEAH, NO, FOR THE RECORD WE'RE MARKED AS EXHIBIT EIGHT 13.
WHAT'S LOOKS DIFFERENT ABOUT IT'S JUST THE COLORS.
NO, I DUNNO WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE BEFORE.
SO AGAIN, THE HOUSE PER PROPOSED IS VERY SIMILAR TO WHAT YOU'RE LOOKING AT.
UM, AGAIN, THE GARAGE WOULD BE ON THE LEFT SIDE, YOU KNOW, BESIDE SEE GARAGE FROM LOOKING AT THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE, OTHER SKI.
IS THIS THE SAME DESIGN THAT WAS USED FOR THE DR.
HARDEN OFF OF UH, TUCKERTON? I DO NOT KNOW.
VERY, I THINK THOSE WERE SIMPLE, BUT A MORE SIMPLE PIECE OF ARCHITECTURE UP ON ARTHUR ROAD.
THIS APPEARS TO ME WE REVIEW THAT AT BOARD LEVEL.
THIS APPEARS TO HAVE MORE GABLES ROOFS.
NO, NOT HAWTHORNE ON TUCKERTON BEHIND THE, UH, EXISTING WHERE, WHERE IT GOES BACK NEXT TO WOODLAKE, THE TWO HOMES THAT WERE BUILT.
THE TWO HOUSES, THE TWO HOUSES THAT WERE BUILT, UH,
YEAH, THIS IS, THIS IS THE KIND, YEAH, YEAH, IT MIGHT BE UM, A SIMILAR MODEL.
THERE'S ALSO ANOTHER, ANOTHER STREET OF THE VO HOMES.
WHAT WAS THAT CALLED? BUT I GUESS YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SPEAK TO WHETHER THIS MODEL IS ELSEWHERE IN BEDFORD.
YEAH, STEVEN, WE'LL HAVE THE HANDS AND THE BROWNS AND THE STONE AND THE DETAILING CONSISTENT.
WE THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT'S A VERY, IT'S AN UNDERSIZED LOT.
I THINK SOMETHING THAT IN THE MIDDLE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE.
THE CHAIR HAVE ONE ITEM I WANTED ADDRESS MR. BAG.
WE HAD A, A COMMENT IN OUR REPORT ABOUT ADDRESSING UH, SOME OF THE STORM WATER BECAUSE THERE WAS CONDITION PRIOR APPROVAL REGARDING SITE.
WE HAVE CHANCE TO TALK ABOUT THAT WITH UH, BOARD ENGINEER AND IF THE WERE CLIMB, WE RECOMMEND BOARD ENGINEER WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THE CONDITION WOULD BE TO RETAIN THE 24 HOUR STORM OR RUN OFF OR TO PROVIDE ACCEPTABLE METHODS.
WE AGREE THAT UM, THAT'S ACTUALLY, UM, THERE'S BEEN NO DESIGN FOR THE STORM SUCCESS OR SO IT BE SUCCESSFUL.
ANYTHING ELSE MR. TAYLOR? WAS THAT I THINK THEY'VE, UH, TOUCHED ON THE REMAINING ITEMS THAT WE REQUESTED HAVE AGREED TO MAKE SOME OF THE OTHER CHANGES TO THE DEPARTMENT.
IF YOU WANNA STEP TO THE SIDE, I'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC MOTION.
IF ANYONE IS HERE FROM THE PUBLIC MOTION TO SPEAK ON ITS APPLICATION, YOU MAY DO SO.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
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M-O-R-R-I-S-O-N.UH, SO I'M AT, UH, 22 PONTIAC DRIVE.
UM, I'M HAPPY TO HAVE THE LOT DEVELOPED.
THE PRIOR OWNER DID NOTHING TO TAKE CARE OF IT
UM, I GET A LOT OF, UM, STORM RUNOFF FROM PONTIAC AND CENTENNIAL DAM ROAD, WHICH GOES INTO LIKE THE WOODED SIDE PORTION OF MY YARD.
IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THEIR PROPERTY.
I ALSO GET A LITTLE PONDING IN THE BACK REAR PORTION OF MY YARD, WHICH IS DEVELOPED GRASS.
AND THAT'S A PORTION, THAT PORTION THAT'S ADJACENT TO THEIR PROPERTY.
UM, I JUST WANT TO CLARIFY RIGHT NOW, IF YOU, THE, THE LOT AT THE LOT, UH, UP AT HENCHMAN IS LIKE THE HIGH POINT OF THE LOT AND THEN IT'S, THEY GRADED IT TO WHERE FOR THE, UH, SEPTIC NOW THEY'RE GONNA MOVE THE SEPTIC FLOOR A LITTLE BIT, RIGHT? ARE YOU CHANGING THE ELEVATION AT ANY OTHER POINT ON THE LOT? THE THE REASON I ASK IS IF YOU'RE GONNA RAISE THE ELEVATION TOWARD MY PROPERTY, I'M CONCERNED ABOUT WATER.
MY YARD CAN'T TAKE ANY MORE WATER.
NOW THERE USED TO BE A LITTLE DRAINAGE DITCH THERE, BUT THAT'S ALMOST COMPLETELY FILLED IN.
AND I WAS JUST WONDERING, UH, IF YOU COULD ASSU TO MY CONCERN THAT I'M NOT GONNA GET ANY MORE WATER FROM YOU.
SO I MEAN, WHATEVER'S GOING THERE NOW KIND OF MAY STILL GO THERE.
I WOULD SAY YES, IT IS, IS GRADED DIFFERENTLY.
UM, TYPICALLY GRADED UP TO THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE TO THE FRONT GRADE, FRONT OFF THE STREET.
THE BACK IS CERTAINLY BRAIDING TOWARDS YOUR PROPERTY AS WE JUST DISCUSSED THERE ARGUMENTS.
THERE'S GONNA HAVE TO BE A STORM WATER, UM, SYSTEM INSTALLED, WHICH WILL COLLECT THE
UM, YOU KNOW, THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE REQUIRED TO CERTAINLY.
UM, OTHERWISE IT, IT IS BESIDE SWAS AND THEN THE REAR DRAINS TOWARDS YOUR HOUSE THOUGH.
UM, IT, IT DOES KIND OF TODAY THERE THERE WILL BE A WOODED BUFFER STRIP BETWEEN YOUR PROPERTY AND THIS ONE.
UH, LOT'S NOT GONNA BE CLEAR THE ENTIRE, UH, SOME OPPORTUNITY OCCUR.
UH, I, I DO NOT, I WOULD SAY WE'RE NOT GONNA EXACERBATE THE SITUATION.
UM, SO LEMME JUST UH, FOLLOW UP ON THAT.
ON THE BUFFER ZONE THAT IT LOOKS LIKE IT'S GONNA BE ABOUT APPROXIMATELY 25 FEET.
I'M JUST LOOKING IF THE SETBACK IS 60 SOMETHING I LOOKED AT WHERE YOU DREW THE TREE LINE ON THE MAP.
AND SO IF THAT 60 SOMETHING, THIS IS MAYBE 20 OR SOMETHING, MOST OF THAT ISN'T ACTUALLY LIKE LIVE TREES, IT'S THINGS THAT HAVE FALLEN OVER ON MY PROPERTY, STUMPS STUMPED AND THINGS LIKE THAT.
ARE YOU GONNA BE REMOVING THEM? I DUNNO.
UM, BECAUSE THEY'RE, I'VE ACTUALLY HAD TO PAY TREE CONTRACT I WOULD SUSPECT.
UM, 'CAUSE I FELL ON MY PROPERTY, I COULDN'T GET AHOLD OF THE GUY
UM, SO I WOULD SAY THE, YOU KNOW, THE CLEAR LIMIT IS ESSENTIALLY PROVIDED THIS HOMEOWNER, UH, OF THEIR YARD AND THE REST WOULD STAY, UM, TO THE POINT THERE'S INE TREES.
I'M NOT EXACTLY SURE WHAT THE UH, FALLEN OR HAZARDOUS TREES CAN BE REMOVED IN THOSE AREAS WITHOUT PENALTY OR WITHOUT MITIGATION.
SO THE BOARD MAY WANNA CONSIDER THAT TREES FROM THIS PROPERTY HAVE FALLEN ONTO AN ADJACENT PROPERTY THAT THEY BE REMOVED
AND THEN, UH, JUST AND YOUR STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, SORRY,
SO ANY OF THE DRIVEWAY RUNOFF OR ROOF RUN OFF WOULD BE INTERCEPTED.
SO AND NOT ALLOWED TO RUN OFF TOWARD THAT PROPERTY? CORRECT.
SO JUST FROM THE GEOMETRY OF A LOT, THE SEPTIC SYSTEMS IN THE FRONT YARD, UM, THERE'S, I WANNA SAY IT'S 50 FEET SEPARATION AND HAVE TO MAINTAIN SYSTEM, UM, JUST BY THE GEOMETRY LOT THERE.
SO THAT'S WHERE IN SYSTEM AND THAT COULD END UP EITHER BEING SOME TYPE OF RECHARGE OR BIO RETENTION I ASSUME? WELL PROBABLY UNDERGROUND STONE PIPE.
I DO NOT SUSPECT THAT THE SURFACE BASIN IS JUST QUITE FRANKLY TAKE TOO MUCH SPACE.
SO I JUST HAVE ONE OTHER QUESTION.
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ON MY SURVEY IT SHOWS THAT THERE A, A DRAINAGE DITCH WHICH IS NOW ALMOST COMPLETELY FILLED IN, IN THAT SECTION.WOULD IT BE WITHIN MY RIGHTS IF, IF THERE WERE WATER COMING FOR ME TO RE EXCAVATE THAT OR WOULD I NOT BE ALLOWED TO DO THAT? 'CAUSE IT'S KIND OF FILLED IN NATURALLY.
WE CAN'T TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN AND CAN'T DO ON YOUR PROPERTY OR YOUR NEIGHBORING PROPERTY.
THAT'S NOT BEFORE THIS BOARD AND THIS BOARD CAN'T EVEN ANSWER THAT QUESTION.
I BELIEVE, DID YOU SAY THAT IT'S GONNA BE A WALKOUT BASEMENT? YES.
SO WHEN I LOOK AT THE ELEVATION, IT, IT'S TWO STORY HOME.
YOU CAN SEE IT'S TWO STORIES FROM THE FRONT RIGHT ON THE BACK.
THE EL REAR ELEVATION ONLY SHOWS TWO LEVELS.
BUT SHOULDN'T THERE BE, THERE WOULD BE, YEAH.
SO NOW WOULD THAT BEING THAT IT'S GONNA BE A WALKOUT BASEMENT AND THE REAR ELEVATION IS GONNA CHANGE, IS THAT NOW GONNA HELP THE NEIGHBOR'S CONCERN SINCE NOW THE BACK SHOULD BE DUG OUT FURTHER? IT WILL, I THINK IT WOULD ALLEVIATE SOME OF THE SLOPE.
IT'S STILL SLOPING IN THAT DIRECTION.
SO I DUNNO IT'S IN THE BENEFICIAL BECAUSE I JUST NOTICED THAT THERE WAS NO ACTUAL UH, THERE'S NO ELEVATION FOR THE ELEVATION THAT SHOWS NOW IS JUST WHAT THE ELEVATION DOESN'T SHOW.
'CAUSE IT JUST SHOWS THAT ESSENTIALLY YOU'D BE WALKING OUT AND FALLING TO THE OTHER LEVEL.
ANY EMAILS FROM THE BOARD? HAVE ANY COMMENTS, QUESTIONS? MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
ARE WE ABOUT THE FOLLOWING TREES? ANYTHING ABOUT THAT? I DON'T THINK WE NEED TO ADD THAT IN THERE.
THAT'S JUST A NORMAL NEIGHBORING, IF YOUR FOLLOWING TREE IS IN THERE, IT'S NOT GOING AGAINST THE TREE ORDINANCE.
THAT WILL BE THE RESOLUTION THOUGH.
CORRECT? I'D ADD IT AS A CONDITION.
UM, BOARD WOULD RECOMMEND THAT AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL THAT ANY FALLEN OR DEAD TREES DO BE, DO GET REMOVED FROM THE PROPERTY.
SO ANY CONDITIONS RECOMMENDED BY MR. TAYLOR AND AGREE TO THE APPLICANT OR DURING THE TESTIMONY? SAME AS PATIENT? YEP.
YOU NO, THAT WAS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
I REMEMBER WHEN THAT SUBDIVISION YOU REALLY, YOU'RE DATING YOURSELF.
YEAH, I, I'VE LIVED THAT AREA FOR A WHILE.
I THINK THERE'S LIKE THREE POTENTIAL PEOPLE TO WE'RE GOING TO BUILD, BUT IT'S NEVER HAPPENED THAT WHOLE, NOTHING FOREVER.
AND THEN I GUESS LATE SEVENTIES, EARLY EIGHTIES.
YEAH, BUT THAT ONE LOT, IT'S BEEN, IT'S GOT SEPTIC AND EVERYTHING.
COACH, WHAT DID YOU SAY? I'M BORN READY, COACH
OKAY, OUR FINAL APPLICATION IS THE NIGHT JOSEPH ZOLA 10 SOUTH LAKESIDE DRIVE, WEST BLOCK 31 0 6, BLOCK 32 SEATING BOTH VARIANCES TO ENCROACH INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND EXCEEDING THE BUILDING AND LOT COVERAGES FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF THE SCREENED PORCH AND ENCROACHING INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK FOR THE EXISTING SHED.
UH, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
YOU ARE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I AM NOT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD.
SIR, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AND MR. ZALO, WHAT'S YOUR RELATIONSHIP TO THE APPLICATION? I'M THE CONTRACTOR.
TELL US ABOUT THE APPLICATION.
SO THE APPLICATION IS FOR A ROOF STRUCTURE AND SCREENED IN PORCH TO GO OVER AN EXISTING DECK.
UM, THE REASON THAT WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR A VARIANCE IS BECAUSE THE
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ENTIRE HOUSE AND THIS STRUCTURE IS TOO CLOSE TO THE SETBACK LINE.WE'RE NOT CHANGING ANY KIND OF, UH, YOU KNOW, LAYOUT.
I THINK THE ROOF LINE ACTUALLY DOES GO ABOUT A FOOT AND A HALF FURTHER.
UM, BUT THE ACTUAL FOOTPRINT FROM GROUND STANDPOINT, IT'S NOT GETTING ANY CLOSER TO THAT SETBACK LINE.
ARE YOU PUTTING ANY ADDITIONAL LIGHTING UP? NO.
AND NOT DISTURBING ANY TREES? NO.
DO YOU AGREE TO, UM, PROVIDING A TREE RE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT PLAN IF ANY TREES ARE DAMAGED? YES.
WHAT WAS THE, UM, THE COMMENT THAT HAS TO DO WITH PRIOR APPROVALS GRANTED FOR THIS PROPERTY? DID WE FIGURE THAT OUT? SO THERE'S AN INTERESTING HISTORY.
UH, IT GOES BACK SEVERAL DECADES ON THIS PROPERTY.
AT ONE POINT IN TIME THERE WAS A SURVEY THAT ACTUALLY SHOWED A SCREEN PORCH IN THIS GENERAL LOCATION.
UM, THERE WAS ALSO A CONCRETE PATIO THAT IS NOW CURRENTLY A DECK AND ANOTHER DECK OUT FRONT.
AND THOSE OF THOSE FEEDBACK SEVERAL DECADES MM-HMM
UM, SO IN, IN SPEAKING WITH MS. BELL, UM, WE KNOW THAT PERMITS WERE GRANTED FOR SOME OF THOSE STRUCTURES.
AND I THINK THE RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT IF THE BOARD WERE INCLINED TO, UH, APPROVE THE APPLICATION TONIGHT, THAT IT ALSO ACKNOWLEDGE AND, AND GRANT WHATEVER RELIEF IS NECESSARY FOR THOSE EXISTING STRUCTURES THAT ARE SHOWN ON THE PLAN.
AND DID I GET THAT RIGHT FOR THE MOST PART? I DON'T KNOW.
SO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT THE FRONT ENTRY PORCH? YES.
BUT ALSO THAT EXISTING WOOD DECK MM-HMM
THE OTHER EXISTING WOOD DECK IN THE FRONT OF THE BOARD JUST ACKNOWLEDGES THOSE AS EXISTING CONDITIONS.
AND ANY CONCERNS REGARDING THE PROPOSED ROOF OVER THE EXISTING DECK? UM, NOT REALLY GIVEN A RELATIVELY SMALL NATURE.
AND BECAUSE WE, WE DO ACTUALLY HAVE A SURVEY FROM A FEW DECADES AGO THAT DOES ACTUALLY IDENTIFY A LOCATION.
IS THERE A SHED ON THE PROPERTY? YES, THERE IS.
THAT'S AND NO LOOKING, LOOKING AT THE SURVEY, IT SAYS LIKE JACKSON ROAD.
SO THIS IS AT THE CORNER OF JACKSON ARCHITECTURAL, RIGHT? THAT'S WHAT THE SURVEY'S SHOWING.
WHERE ARE WE ROLLING HERE? EXISTING? YEAH, IT'S NOT ON THE CORNER.
I'M GONNA PULL MY SURVEY UP RIGHT NOW.
YOU SAID IT SAYS E OBJECTION ROAD.
THE DIRECTION THE JACKSON ROAD IS.
I CAN'T REALLY READ THE, OH, THERE, SO MAYBE THERE'S A CUT LINE THERE.
MAYBE LIKE, IT'S A 1970 SOMETHING SURVEY.
ARE YOU LOOKING AT THE JAMES T SAPIO SURVEY? THE 2024? THIS IS AUGUST 23RD.
IT WAS LOOKING LIKE, I THOUGHT IT JUST, IT MADE IT LOOK LIKE JACKSON ROAD WAS RIGHT THERE AND THEY WERE IN THE CORNER AND I WAS LIKE, HUH.
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OKAY.WE, I'M CLEAR ON WHAT LOCATION.
ANY QUESTIONS, COMMENTS? OKAY.
UH, MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN UP TO THE PUBLIC.
WILL SOMEBODY MAKE THE MOTION? I'LL MAKE THE MOTION WE OPEN UP.
ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WISHES DISPUTE ON THIS APPLICATION? SEEING NONE.
WE'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION.
UH, WITH, UH, MR. TAYLOR ASKED THAT WE DOCUMENT THE EXISTING, UH, IMPROVEMENTS FOR THE FRONT PORCH FOR YEAH.
FRONT PORCH AND APPROVE THE, APPROVE THEM AS THEY ARE.
AND DO YOU WANT ADD ANYTHING TO A, THAT, THAT SO CLEANER FOR YOUR USE? YES.
SO I MEAN, I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST INCLUDE ALL THE VARIANCES THAT WERE MENTIONED IN THIS, IN THE TELLER DESIGN GROUP MEMO.
IT JUST LIKE THAT LETTER SAYS SIGN YOUR SETBACK AND BUILDING COVERAGE, THE LOCK COVERAGE AND FIVE FOOT SHE SETBACK.
YOU INCLUDED THE FRONT PORCH TRAY.
UH, IS THERE ANY NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? NO.