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GOOD EVENING[ Call to Order]
AND THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REORGANIZATION AND REGULAR MEETING OF THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP PLANNING BOARD FOR JANUARY 22ND, 2025.
SO TO THE FLAG OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA AND TO THE REPUBLIC FOR WHICH IT STANDS ON NATION UNDER GOD, INDIVISIBLE, WITH LIBERTY AND JUSTICE FOR ALL.
NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETING ACT BY POSTING A COPY OF THE AGENDA ON THE OFFICIAL BULLETIN BOARD OF THE TOWNSHIP MUNICIPAL BUILDING AND THE TOWNSHIP WEBSITE REPORTING A COPY TO THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES AND CENTRAL RECORD, FILING A COPY OF THE AGENDA WITH THE TOWNSHIP CLERK, MAILING A COPY TO THOSE PERSONS WHO REQUESTED A COPY OF SAME AND WHO HAVE PAID THE REQUIRED FEE SWEARING IN THAT THE BOARD MEMBERS HAS BEEN COMPLETED.
[5. Executive Session: Professional Appointments]
I WOULD LIKE TO HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PROFESSIONAL APPOINTMENTS.CAN I HAVE A MOTION? SO MOVED.
OPPOSED? PLANNING BOARD IS BACK IN SESSION.
[6. Nomination and Election of Chair]
FOR CHAIRMAN OF THE PLANNING BOARD? I'D LIKE TO NOMINATE THOMAS GIULIANO FOR CHAIRMAN.UM, ANY OTHER NOMINATIONS? I'M SORRY.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT TOM GIULIANI AS A CHAIRMAN?
[7. Nomination and Election of Vice-Chair]
FOR VICE CHAIRMAN? I NOMINATE CLARK PERKS.ARE THERE ANY OTHERS? SEEING NONE.
CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO APPOINT CLARK PERKS AS VICE CHAIRMAN? SO MOVED.
YEAH, YOU'LL NEED VOTES ON THOSE ANSWERS ON THOSE MOTIONS.
VOTE FOR, UM, CHAIRMAN TOM GIULIANO.
MS. ANAT? MR. ANAT THE ROLL CALL VOTE FOR VICE CHAIRMAN MAYOR WEBSTOCK? AYE.
MR. BRASS, MR. MUCKIN FUSS? AYE.
CHAIRMAN CLARK, UM, AND I HOPE EVERY CHAIRMAN, EVERYBODY WILL BEAR WITH ME BECAUSE I WAS NOT PLANNING TO BE VICE CHAIR OF THOUGHT THIS MORNING, SO, UM, I'M NOT VERY WELL PREPARED, BUT, UM, IT LOOKS LIKE THE NEXT ITEM, AGENDA 2020 MEETING.
[8. Appointment]
OF APPOINTMENTS AND AGENDA ITEM EIGHT.SO WE'RE GONNA READ THE APPOINTMENTS AND WE'RE GONNA DO THEM ALL AS AS WANT, RIGHT? IT'S UP TO YOU.
I, SO, SO, MR. PERS, YOU CAN DO THE, HOW IT'S TYPICALLY DONE FOR THE PLANNING BOARD.
IS THAT, UM, THEY WILL JUST BE APPOINTED AND THEN WE CAN VOTE ON, WE CAN VOTE ON 'EM ALL AT ONCE OR WE CAN, UM,
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JUST ANNOUNCE, ANNOUNCE THE APPOINTMENTS AND THEN VOTE ON THEM AFTERWARDS WHEN WE GET TO THE MEMORIALIZATION.SO WE, WE ANNOUNCE THEM ALL OR YOU COULD ANNOUNCE THEM ALL AND THEN WE CAN TAKE ONE VOTE AT THE END.
UH, SO IF I'M READING THIS CORRECTLY, THE BOARD IS GOING APPOINT AND SERVE AS BOARD SECRETARY FOR THE YEAR 2025.
UH, IT'S GONNA APPOINT SERVED AS BOARD SECRETARY COUNTY 20 AND OTHER PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER FOR 2025.
LET'S SEE, SCOTT, WELL GETTING THAT.
UM, AS THE PLANNING BOARD, PROFESSIONAL ATTORNEY, PLANNING BOARD PROFESSIONAL PLANNER FOR UM, 20 AND APPOINTED AS BOARD PROFESSIONAL ATTORNEY FOR THE POTENTIAL OF ME, UM, FOR THE UPCOMING AND I THINK WE CAN DO ALSO DO AT THE SAME TIME DESIGNATED THE NEWS, THE NEWSPAPERS FOR THE PLANNING BOARD FOR COUNTY YEAR 2025, UH, THE BURLINGTON COUNTY TIMES WITH THE CENTRAL DIRECTOR.
SO ALL THE, AND LET'S SEE THE BOARD, UH, MEETING DATES FOR THE UPCOMING YEAR.
UM, MAY UNLESS OTHERWISE NOTED, UM, ALL OF THE BOARD MEETINGS WILL START AT SIX 30 THIS YEAR, WHICH IS A CHANGE.
UM, AND THEY'LL BE JANUARY, UH, FEBRUARY 26TH, MARCH 26TH, APRIL 23RD, MAY 28TH, JUNE 25TH, JULY 23RD, AUGUST 27TH, SEPTEMBER 24TH, 20 17TH, WHICH IS THE THIRD MONDAY.
DECEMBER 18TH, WHICH IS THE THIRD THURSDAY, WHICH IS ALSO A CHANGE IN SCHEDULE.
AND JANUARY 28TH, 2026 WILL BE OUR NEXT REORGANIZATION YOU NEED AND DID I MISS ANY? I DON'T THINK SO.
DO YOU WANNA VOTE ON THOSE NOW OR WE CAN.
MAYOR REP, I GET A MOTION TO, UH, APPROVE ALL OF THE APPOINTMENTS.
MR. PER CHAIRMAN, PERKS ACTING CHAIRMAN.
[11. Minutes: October 23, 2024 Meeting Minutes]
THE MINUTES.I GET A MOTION TO APPROVE MINUTES.
WE CAN DO ALL IN FAVOR OF THE, WE CAN DO IT ALL IN FAVOR OF THOSE WHO WERE HERE ON THAT MEETING, RIGHT? YOU'LL HAVE TO NOTE SOME ABSTENTIONS FOR FOLKS WHO WORKING RIGHT.
SO I'D LIKE TO ABSTAIN FROM THE MINUTES FROM DECEMBER 23RD, 2024.
ALRIGHT, SO ALL IN FAVOR APPROVING THE MINUTES.
ANY OPPOSED? OKAY, CORRESPONDENCE IS NONE.
UH, AS IS THE BOARD'S, UH, POLICY WE HAVE LISTED ON THE AS IS THE BOARD POLICY,
[13. Reports: Insufficient escrow balances over 6 months]
UH, HAVE LISTED ON THE AGENDA, UH, ALL THE INSUFFICIENT PRESS OVER SIX MONTHS.[00:10:10]
OKAY? NEXT.[14.a. 17-2024, Camp EFS, LLC, 300 Fostertown Road, 301/7, SPR-5755 – approval for a second oneyear extension of Resolution 14-2021.]
OF RESOLUTIONS.UM, FIRST ONE, UM, READ THIS WHOLE THING, YOU CAN, OKAY.
ONE YEAR EXTENSION OF RESOLUTION 1, 4, 2, 0, 2, 1.
UM, CAN I GET A MOTION TO EITHER MR PERKS, MR. FOWLER OR MR. EP? SAY IT AGAIN.
MR. ANNA APE CAN MAKE THE MOTION.
AND SECOND, THEY'RE THE ONLY ONES ELIGIBLE TO VOTE.
[14.b. 18-2024, Somerset-Medford Properties, LLC and Medford Supermarket Properties, LLC, 212 Route 70, 1303/3, 4 & 5, SPR-5771 – Preliminary and Final Site Plan approval with variances, submission waivers and design waivers for a 3,333 sf Chase Bank, an 11,735 s.f. ShopRite Liquor store and additional employee parking areas for ShopRite.]
IS THE MEMORIALIZATION OF, UH, 18 FOUR MED.CAN I GET A MOTION TO MEMORIALIZE THAT SAME MEMBERS THAT VOTED ON THE FIRST ONE ARE ELIGIBLE? VOTE ON THIS MR. APPROVE RESOLUTION.
WE ALREADY DID CJ YES, CORRECT.
WE DID NOT OWE THAT DID NOT MAKE J SO THIS IS A RESOLUTION.
THIS IS THE ONE WE'VE REFERRED, RIGHT? THIS IS THE ONE WE'RE GONNA WAIT ON THE VOTE.
WE'RE NOT WAITING ON THE VOTE FOR THAT.
AFTER MR. TOWER DOES HIS PRESENTATION, WHICH IS THE NEXT ITEM ON THE AGENDA NUMBER 15.
[15.a. Consideration of Ordinance 2025-1, amending the Medford Township Zoning Map to correct the Zoning District designation of certain parcels and finding that said ordinance is consistent with the Medford Township Master Plan.]
REFERRAL FROM TOWNSHIP COUNCIL IN, IN INJUNCTION WITH THE USEFULNESS PLAN, UM, CONSIDERATION OF ORDINANCE 25 AMENDING THE MEDFORD ZONING MAP, CORRECT? THE ZONING DISTRICT OF CERTAIN PARCEL AND FINDING ORDINANCE IS CONSISTENT OFFORD.UH, IT'S BEEN INTRODUCED BY TOWNSHIP COUNCIL THAT DOES A FEW THINGS.
IT RE ZONES A NUMBER OF PROPERTIES WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, SOME OF THOSE ARE RELATED TO A 2014 MASTER PLAN REEXAMINATION REPORT FOR THE PE ZONES, THE PARK PUBLIC AND EDUCATION ZONES WHERE IT WAS IDENTIFIED, SOME OF THOSE LANDS WERE PRIVATELY OWNED AND HAD
SECONDLY, UH, IN RESPONSE TO A REQUEST, UH, BY A LANDOWNER, IT WAS IDENTIFIED THAT THERE WERE SOME, UH, MAPPING CONSISTENCIES THAT DATE BACK DECADES, WHERE SOME PRIVATELY OWNED HOMES WERE ACTUALLY THE ZONING DISTRICT AND SOME LANDS THAT ARE PUBLICLY OWNED.
WERE ACTUALLY IN THE RHO ZONING DISTRICT.
SO THIS ORDINANCE CLARIFIES AND CORRECTS THE ZONING MAP WITH REGARD TO THOSE PROPERTIES THAT ARE LOCATED ON WILL STREET, AS WELL AS SOME PROPERTIES, THE CENTER HOUSE AND TWO PROPERTIES ON GRANT STREET THAT REMOVE THEM FROM THE PPE ZONE AND PUT THEM INTO RESIDENTIAL ZONING DISTRICTS, WHICH IS CONSISTENT WITH THE 2014 MASTER PLAN.
I THINK IT ALSO JUST GENERALLY IS CONSISTENT WITH, UM, AND ADVANCE THE OBJECTIVE MASTER PLAN PRESERVING, UH, PUBLIC PROPERTY FOR SPACE USE AND THEN ALLOWING FOR THE APPROPRIATE USE OF RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES AND RESIDENTIAL DISTRICT.
ALRIGHT, ARE THERE ANY QUESTIONS ABOUT THE RESOLUTION? DO WE HAVE TO OPEN IT UP
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TO COMMENTS? MR. I'D SAY NO.SO SHOULD WE, UH, CAN I GET A MOTION TO, UM, APPROVE THIS RESOLUTION TO SECOND? OKAY.
[16.a. HJCY Group NJ, Inc., 3 Reeves Station Road, 302/39.02, SPR-5772 – seeking retroactive Preliminary and Final Major Site Plan, Design Waiver and Bulk Variance for improvements that have been completed without the proper approvals for a 25,850 sf building containing 5,850 sf of office space and 20,000 sf of storage space, and five additional accessory buildings containing 17,490 sf of which 16,440 sf is for storage and a residential dwelling for property caretaker.]
I BELIEVE THAT TAKES US TO OUR ONLY APPLICATION TONIGHT.BRUCE, WILL WE SWEAR IN EVERYBODY AT THE WE'LL PROBABLY DO THAT? YES.
IS AN EXCEPT LOCATION OR IS THERE SOMEPLACE ELSE YOU PREFER? MAKE YOURSELF AT HOME.
IF ANYBODY HAS ISSUE, WE CAN SHUFFLE AROUND, SIR.
I AM THE ATTORNEY FOR THE APPLICANT.
WOULD OF ALL WISH YOU ALL A HAPPY 2025 AND HOPE IT'S A GOOD ONE FOR ALL OF YOU.
CONGRATULATE THE MEMBERS AND THE APPOINTEES.
UH, THIS IS OUR APPLICATION, UH, THAT AS MANY OF YOU ARE AWARE, HAS BEEN AROUND FOR A WHILE.
UH, THIS AS THE, UH, AS THE AGENDA CORRECTLY POINTS OUT, IT STARTED WITH SOME IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE TO THE PROPERTY WITHOUT A PERMIT.
UH, WE ALL, WE ACKNOW WE HAVE TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT THAT'S TRUE.
UH, THAT KIND OF ACTIVITY HAS A TENDENCY TO RUFFLE FEATHERS AND, UH, UH, SERVE AS A, UH, DETERRENT TO THE BOARD MEMBERS, THE PROFESSIONAL STAFF, THE ADMINISTRATIVE STAFF, UH, BECAUSE IT JUST CREATES A LOT OF UNNECESSARY WORK AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
THERE MAY BE, IN MY OPINION, AND MAYBE I'M WRONG, THERE MAY STILL BE SOME ANIMOS ANIMOSITY WITH REGARD TO THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOR.
I UNDERSTAND IT, UNDERSTAND, I'VE REPRESENTED BOARDS IN MY LIFE AND I KNOW, UH, HOW MUCH EXTRA WORK IT CAUSES IN THIS CASE.
HOWEVER, I'M HOPING YOU LOOK AT THIS PROBLEM AS AN OPPORTUNITY.
THIS IS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TAKE A PIECE OF PROPERTY AND REALLY IMPROVE IT AND BRING IT UP TO THE STANDARDS THAT YOU WOULD ALL LIKE TO SEE.
YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, LANDSCAPING, YOU'RE GONNA SEE BUFFERING, YOU'RE GONNA SEE, UH, THE GARBAGE ENCLOSURES GO TRASH ENCLOSURES, I THINK THEY'RE CALLED.
UH, YOU'RE GONNA SEE ALL, ALL OF THAT IN HERE.
AND THESE ARE ALL THINGS THAT YOU'RE TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, THIS FOOLISH MISTAKE, AND WE CAN BRING THIS PROPERTY UP.
AND I HOPE AS YOU'RE LISTENING TO OUR PRESENTATION, THAT THAT'S, UH, KEPT IN MIND.
WE'RE ADDRESSING ALL OF WHAT WE BELIEVE ARE THE VIOLATIONS, UH, THE REVIEWS BY YOUR PROFESSIONALS.
WE HAVE, UH, RESPONSES FOR ALL OF THEM.
AND WITH THAT, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO, UH, AND EVERY, EVERY BOARD HAS THEIR OWN PROCEDURES.
UM, WHAT I'D LIKE TO DO IS HAVE OUR ENGINEER MAKE A PRESENTATION TO GIVE YOU THE OVERVIEW AND GIVE YOU THE, WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO ACCOMPLISH IT, AND WHY HE CAN EXPLAIN TO YOU THE VARIANCES.
THEY'RE JUST, THEY'RE BULK VARIANCES.
UH, SOME OF THEM I BELIEVE ARE ALREADY ALREADY EXISTING WITH REGARD TO SOME STRUCTURES.
UH, HE'LL GIVE YOU THE WHOLE OVERVIEW.
AND THEN I THINK WITH THAT WE CAN, UH, RUN THROUGH THE LETTERS.
IS THAT, UH, IS THAT EXACTLY? WELL, I THINK WE, BEFORE WE DO ANYTHING, I THINK WE WANNA SWEAR IN ANYBODY.
SO, UH, JESSE AND AND CHAIR, YOU WANT TO COME UP? WE GONNA SPRAY YOU AROUND.
GENTLEMEN, IF YOU COULD STATE YOUR NAME AND YOUR ADDRESS IN THE MICROPHONE.
UH, JESSE DOCKERTY, A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF JERSEY COUNTY ENGINEERING, UH, THREE KILDA PORT IN SWEDBURG, NEW JERSEY.
HI, UH, WE, UH, MY NAME IS WAN, I,
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I, I HAVE THE PROPERTY AND AGREE WITH STATION LAW.I LIVE IN NEW YEAR 48, 11, PAGE 48, SHEET FOLLOWING NEW YEAR.
GENTLEMEN, YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU'LL GIVE TO THE BOARD WILL BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? YES.
UM, JESSE NY IS OUR, UH, UH, EXPERT.
UM, I JUST LIKE TO ASK HIM A FEW QUESTIONS TO, UH, TO WE CAN QUALIFY HIM AS AN EXPERT TO TESTIFY IN THIS.
WHAT'S THE PROFFER, VINCE? IS IT ENGINEER OR PLANNER, OR BOTH? UH, A LICENSED ENGINEER.
UH, CAN YOU TELL US A LITTLE BIT ABOUT YOUR EDUCATIONAL BACKGROUND AND YOUR EXPERIENCE, UH, IN DOING ENGINEERING WORK? SURE.
UH, I'M A LICENSED PROFESSIONAL IN, UH, ENGINEER IN THE STATE OF NEW JERSEY.
I'VE BEEN LICENSED FOR THE LAST, UH, 12 YEARS.
I'VE BEEN PRACTICING ENGINEERING THE NEW JERSEY FOR THE LAST 20.
UM, I'VE BEEN WITH MARATHON NOW FOR GOVERNOR 13 YEARS.
I HAVE A BACHELOR OF SCIENCE FROM ROME UNIVERSITY IN 2005.
I WAS ACTUALLY THE FIRST ACCREDITED CLASS OUT OF THE UNIVERSITY, UM, AND AS, AS WELL AS A MASTER'S FROM ROME IN 2006.
ANY QUESTIONS REGARDING THE, UH, QUALIFICATIONS OF THIS WITNESS? CAN WE HAVE HIM, UH, DECLARE AN EXPERT WITNESS? NO QUE HEARING, NO QUESTIONS.
WHY DON'T YOU, UH, TELL US, GIVE US AN OVERVIEW OF THE SITE, UH, WHAT'S THERE AND WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO AND WHAT HAVE YOU.
AND, UH, AS YOU GO THROUGH, PLEASE IDENTIFY, UH, THE VARIANCE, THE VARIOUS BULK VARIANCES THAT WE ARE SEEKING IN THIS APPLICATION.
UH, MR. VICE CHAIRMAN, UM, TYPICALLY YOU WOULD ADDRESS THE COMPLETENESS ITEMS FIRST THAT YOU JUST, SO BEFORE WE GO THROUGH COMPLETENESS, I DO HAVE HANDOUTS OF THE EXHIBITS THAT I DO HAVE BOARD MOUNTED FOR EVERYBODY.
SO, SO THESE ARE REPRODUCTIONS OF WHATEVER PLANS THAT ARE ALREADY IN THE RECORD? NO, THE ONES THAT HAVE ALREADY BEEN SUBMITTED FOR THE RECORD ARE ALREADY I NOT I INCLUDED ON BOARD MOUNTS FOR THIS PUBLIC AND FOR EVERYBODY ELSE.
THESE ARE ADDITIONAL ONES THAT THIS AREA OF PHOTOGRAPHS ON THE SITE.
IN QUESTION A 20, TONY FOR TWO PAGES.
THEN WE'LL MARK THIS AS A 20 EXHIBIT A, WHATEVER, 20 NEXT ON THE LIST.
DO YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE STATEMENT, EVAN FIRST OR YOU WANNA GO THROUGH THE LISTING OF EXHIBITS? UH, LIST OF PLEASURE.
WELL, I THINK WE HAVE A LIST OF EXHIBITS, CORRECT? IS THERE, YEAH, SO, AND WE'RE GONNA ADD THIS AS 20.
DO YOU HAVE OTHER EXHIBITS? IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE? THE OTHER ONES ARE THE EXHIBITS THAT HAVE ALREADY SUBMITTED.
THEY'RE JUST FOR REFERENCE PURPOSES.
AND THEY'RE ALREADY REFERENCED.
THEY'RE ALREADY, WE, I THINK WE HAVE A LIST ALREADY.
SO DO YOU WANT ADDRESS THE, UH, UH, THE COMPLETION? DO YOU WANNA HAVE MR. DOCK DO IT OR I CAN DO IT.
UH, IF YOU WANNA RUN THROUGH, WE CAN ANSWER.
THERE'S A NUMBER OF, UH, NUMBER OF SUBMISSION ITEMS, WITNESS ITEMS. THIS IS IN MY MATTER, DATED OCTOBER 23RD, 2024.
UH, I'LL BRIEFLY, UM, GO THROUGH THIS ITEM 20 C.
AND THIS IS THE, UH, NUMBERS ARE FROM THE CHECKLIST, CROSS SECTION OF WORK COURSES, PROPLAN, ET CETERA, 20 F LOCATION, CONSTRUCTION DETAILS AND DRAIN PROVISIONS, 20 G IN DRAIN BASIN, 28 EVENT, UH, STREAM OF WATER QUALITY TESTS, 27, OUTDOOR LIGHTING, 28, SCREENING BUFFERING, LANDSCAPING, UTILITIES NUMBER LIGHTING 33, NUMBER 34, ROADWAY INFORMATION, 22, TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT 43, UTILITY IMPACT STATEMENT 44 DEPOSIT, ENVIRONMENTAL CONSTRAINTS 45.
SITE ITEM IS MUNICIPAL SERVICE.
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17 CERTIFICATION THAT WE RECOMMEND THE STAIRWAY, THAT MIGHT BE YES.THE OUTDOOR LIGHTING IS SUBJECT TO, UH, A NIGHTLIGHT TEST.
BUFFERING LANDSCAPING, UH, PROPOSED REMAIN ON THAT COMPLETENESS TRAFFIC IMPACT STATEMENT.
WE RECEIVED A MODIFIED IMPACT STATEMENT, WHICH WE HAVE DEEMED SUFFICIENT AND WE MADE COMMENTS ON THAT.
AND THE REST OF THOSE ARE, ARE ALSO TED.
I WAS GONNA SAY, I DON'T HAVE MUCH ELSE TO ADD TO THAT UNLESS YOU HAVE SOMETHING DETAILED YOU WANNA SEE.
UM, WAS THERE TESTIMONY YOU NEEDED CHRIS ON SOME OF THOSE? WELL, THEY PROVIDED A RESPONSE LETTER DATED TO BOTH WIDE LETTER AND, UH, MR. SCOTT, MR. TAYLOR'S LETTER DATED JANUARY 16TH.
THEY HAVE PROVIDED, UH, BASICALLY AGREED TO THOSE.
THE ONE ISSUE THAT YOU MIGHT WANNA TALK ABOUT, MR. WE DID HIGH.
SO ONLY NUMBER THAT WOULD BE 20.
THE LAST PAGE OF THE HANDOUT ON ONE EXHIBIT.
PROPOSED, UM, RENDER OF THE PHOTOGRAPH, THE STEPS IN QUESTION.
ARE THESE AREAS RIGHT HERE GOING DOWN INTO THE EXISTING POND THAT'S ON THE SITE? UM, IT IS IN A WETLAND AREA AND WE ANTICIPATED FEEDING WITHIN A WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
ALTHOUGH THE DEP HASN'T, UH, SETTLED ON THE LINE YET AT THIS POINT.
BUT WHERE THIS LINE IS ON SITE, IT'S BEEN SUBMITTED AND IT'S BEEN ENHANCED FOR QUITE SOME TIME AT THIS POINT.
WE DID SUBMIT A DATA MINE REPORT FROM LAST WEEK THAT STILL SHOWS THEY HAVEN'T ACTED ON IT YET.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY, UM, WITH IT, WE DO, UH, ANTICIPATE IF IT IS WITHIN A WETLAND BUFFER AREA, IT CAN BE SETTLED.
IT'S LESS THAN FIVE ACRES OF LANDSCAPING MATERIAL, SO WE CAN APPLY FOR A PERMIT FOR IT IF IT'S IN THAT AREA.
UH, THERE WAS NO SUBSTANTIAL TREES CUT.
IT WAS JUST, UH, SCRUB SHRUGGED ALONG THE EDGE ON IT WAS CLEANED UP TO, TO INSTALL IT.
SO THE FADE OF THE STEPS WAS BE DEPENDENT ON DP APPROVAL.
THAT'S THE CASE? YEAH, THAT'S FINE.
SO THAT'LL BE CONDITION OF, SO IF, IF THE AREA OUTSIDE OF THE BUFFER AREA OR IT COMES BACK IF IT IS A MAN POND, SO THERE'S A CHANCE THERE IS NO BUFFER ASSOCIATED WITH IT, SO IT MAY NOT BE PERFECT AT ALL.
AS SOON AS WE RECEIVE A BUDGET FOR WE'VE BEEN PUSHING BASIS, UM, THAT MEANS THAT WE HAVE RECEIVED THE, THE FLOOD HAZARD VERIFICATION SO FAR FOR THE SITE AND THE RECORDINGS AND ALL THOSE TO THE PLANS.
ANY QUESTIONS ON THE COMPLAIN APPLICATION BE DECLARED THAT CONCLUDE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE, UH, ON THE LETTER AND HAS BEEN TESTIFIED TO, MR.
THERE WERE A COUPLE OF LIGHTING AND LANDSCAPE COMMENTS AND THOSE ARE IDENTIFIED IN OUR REPORT, SO I THINK IT'S APPROPRIATE TO D THE APPLICATION COMPLETE.
YOU CAN ADDRESS THOSE AS WE GO THROUGH THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY.
I, I THINK ALSO IN PARTICULAR, YOU, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICANT'S REQUEST FOR CHECKLIST WAIVERS AND TO DECLARE THE APPLICATION COMPLETE.
UH, SO SOMEONE JUST MAKES A MOTION TO MM-HMM
AND I GET A MOTION TO ACCEPT THE CHECKLIST.
DOES THAT ALSO QUALIFY AS HAVING 15 THE COMPLETE YES.
IF, UH, IF THAT'S ALL RIGHT, I'M, I'M NOW GONNA MOVE ON TO HAVE, UH, JESSE EXPLAIN THE SITE AND WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO AND HOW WE'RE TRYING TO DO IT.
HOW WE'RE TRYING TO MEET THE CONDITIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY YOUR PROFESSIONAL.
ALRIGHT, GOING BACK TO, WE'LL START WITH, THEY'RE RELATIVELY CLOSE, SO WE'LL NEED THE SAME EXHIBIT THAT WE HAVE ON, THAT'S THE LAST PAGE.
DOES HE NEED, DOES HE NEED A MICROPHONE OR, I'LL STAND CLOSER TO IT.
IF YOU WANT TO, IF YOU WANT TO TAKE THE MIC WITH YOU, YOU PROBABLY SHOULD.
UM, THE SITE ITSELF IS LOCATED AT THREE
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RE STATION ROAD.IT'S LOCATED ON BLOCK 3 0 2, UH, 39.02 OF, UH, TAX MAP SHEET THREE.
UH, THE SITE ITSELF IS 23.8 ACRES APPROXIMATELY, AND IS LOCATED IN THE PI PLANNED INDUSTRIAL ZONE FROM THE TOWNSHIP.
UH, THE SITE CURRENTLY STANDS WITH SEVEN STRUCTURES ON THE SITE.
UM, PLANS THAT WERE SUBMITTED OUT ON BEACH, UH, BUILDING ONE SHOWN IN PINK.
IT'S THE LARGEST BUILDING ALONG RE STATION ROAD.
UM, A 25,850 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING, UH, WITH 5,850 FEET OF DEDICATED TO OFFICE AREA WITH THE OTHER 20,000 SQUARE FEET DEDICATED TO OFFICE OF STORAGE USE.
UH, BUILDING TWO IS THE LIGHT BLUE AS YOU'RE WALKING DOWN THE, UH, SITE.
IT'S THE AREA RIGHT BELOW THAT BIG BUILDING, UH, 62,000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE.
IT'S DEDICATED TO WAREHOUSE AND STORAGE USE.
I MADE IT A LITTLE LARGER THAN IT WAS.
UH, BUILDING THREE IS, THE LIGHT GREEN AREA WAS ACROSS FROM THE, FROM THE BLUE ONE.
UM, IT'S SIX, 6,700 SQUARE FEET.
THIS AREA HAS HAD A CANOPY ADDED TO IT, WHICH IS ONE OF THE SUBJECTS OF THE APPLICATION THAT WAS IN VIOLATION OF BEING CONSTRUCTED BY BLUES.
UM, BUILDING NUMBER FOUR, UH, WHICH IS THE MUSTARD COLOR OF THE YELLOW ONE.
THE LONG SKINNY ONE ALONG THE DRIVEWAY ENTRANCE.
UH, THIS BUILDING IS ALSO A STORAGE BUILDING AT 2000 SQUARE FEET IN SIZE, UH, BUILDING NUMBER FIVE, WHICH IS THE LIGHT YELLOW ONE AT THE, THE LOWEST BUILDING IN THE SITE FROM THE, FROM REEF STATION ROAD IS USED AS A CARETAKER BUILDING, UH, AT 1800 SQUARE FEET SIZE.
UH, WITH IT, WE ARE, UH, WITH THE, UH, ADDITIONAL, UH, CONCRETE AREA THAT WAS INSTALLED.
THIS IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
UH, WE'RE PROVIDING TWO, UH, PARKING SPACES FOR THAT STRUCTURE.
PARKED BY, UH, BUILDING NUMBER SIX, WHICH IS THE ORANGE BUILDING OF THE ONE CLOSEST TO THE POND PARKED BEHIND THE BLUE.
ONE IS A FIRE PUMP HOUSE THAT STRAWS WATER FROM THE EXISTING PONDS AND FOR FIRE, UH, SUPPRESSION OF THE EXISTING SITE BY THAT BUILDING'S.
AND THE LAST ONE IS BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH WAS ALSO INSTRUCTED IS THE DARK GREEN BUILDING SHOWN ON THE SITE, UH, BELOW THE, THE LARGER GREEN ONE.
UH, THIS WAS ONE OF THE OTHER AREAS OF SUBJECT TO THIS APPLICATION.
IT WAS CONSTRUCTED ON
UH, IT'S A LEAN TWO STYLE STRUCTURE, UH, 1,540 SQUARE FEET.
UH, IT'S MET, IT'S USED FOR OUTDOOR STORAGE OF METAL CONDUIT AND STRAPPING
UH, THE PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS, WHICH WE'RE ASKING FOR WITH THIS APPLICATION INCLUDE A CANOPY AREA ATTACHED, ATTACHED TO BUILDING THREE.
UM, THIS AREA IS, MAKE SURE, UH, 1050 SQUARE FEET IN THE SIZE IS APPROXIMATELY 35 FEET WIDE BY 30 FEET DEEP.
UH, IT'S USED TO PROTECT THE LOADING DOCK AND DRIVE AND RAMP, UH, TO THE BUILDING.
UH, BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH IS ALSO SUBJECT TO THIS AS WE LEAN TO STRUCTURAL OF THIS SITE, UH, AT 1500 SQUARE FEET.
WE'RE ALSO LOOKING FOR APPROVAL FOR THE CONCRETE PAVEMENT AERIAL SITE, WHICH IS ALL, UH, THE AREA BETWEEN THE GREEN AND BLUE BUILDING DOWN TO THE CARETAKER STRUCTURE AS WELL.
UM, SO THAT THIS CONNECTS BUILDINGS NUMBER THREE, SEVEN, AND TWO TO THE CARETAKER BUILDING, WHICH IS KNOWN AS BUILDING NUMBER FIVE.
SO FOR THESE ITEMS THAT WERE CONSTRUCTED WITHOUT APPROVALS, WE WILL NEED ADDITIONAL ITEMS TO BE INSTALLED ON THE SITE TO LEGITIMIZE 'EM AS A SITE PLAN, UH, WHICH INCLUDES STORMWATER MANAGEMENT ON SITE.
SO IT'S THE, THE GREEN, OR I'M SORRY, THE YELLOW SHADED AREA ON THE PLAN, UH, WHICH IS AN INFILTRATION BASIN.
WE'RE PROPOSING TO COLLECT UP STORMWATER RUNOFF FROM ALL THE ADDITIONAL, UH, TRAFFIC PARTIES AND AREA AREAS.
THIS TO BE CONSIDERED A GREEN INFRASTRUCTURE BASIN.
UM, IT'S CONSIDERED A SMALL SCALE INFILTRATION BASIN, UH, BASE ON DVS CURRENT STANDARDS.
UH, WE ARE PROVIDING, UH, TWO PARKING STALLS FOR THE CARETAKER BUILDING.
AND 26 PARKING STALLS TOTAL THROUGHOUT THE, OR ADDITIONAL PARKING SPACES ON THE SITE.
UH, FOR THE TOTAL OF 20 TOTAL, UH, TWO OF THEM WOULD BE DEDICATED FOR A DA USE.
AND WE ONE EV CHARGING SPACE IN ACCORDANCE WITH STATE STANDARDS.
UH, WITH THE REVIEW LETTERS WE HAVE RECEIVED, UM, THEY'RE REQUESTING A SIX ADDITIONAL, A PARKING SPACES TO ADD IN THE ADDITIONAL, UH, STORAGE AREA ON SITE, WHICH WE CAN FIT ON SITE.
UM, ADJACENT TO THE OTHER PARKING SPACES THAT ARE SHOWN NEXT TO THE PEOPLE BUILDING.
ORIGINALLY RENTED HAD 43 PARKING SPACES THAT WERE LONG RE STATIONED ROAD.
IF YOU SEE THE, UH, THE UPPER PART OF THE SITE, THE PROPERTY LINE DOES JET IN.
UH, AT ONE POINT THESE PARKING SPACES WERE ALONG, UH, THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT AWAY.
AS PART OF THIS APPLICATION, WE'VE REMOVED THOSE.
WE'VE ONLY LEFT THE ONES THAT WERE ON OUR PROPERTY, BUT IT'S STILL ADJACENT TO THE ROADWAY.
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THE EIGHT A SPACES AND THESE 'CAUSE THEY'RE ADJACENT TO A PAVEMENT AREA AND THE SIDEWALK AND THE BUILDING TO MAKE SURE THE, UH, THE SITE DETAIL SHOWS THEY ARE COMPLIANT AS LONG AS THE COMPLIANT ACCESS TO.UM, SO WITH THAT, WE'VE REDUCED THAT PARKING AREA DOWN TO 15 SPACES.
WE'VE ALSO REMOVED AN ADDITIONAL THREE SPACES AND ADDED IN CURB ISLAND WITHIN THE TOWNSHIP RIGHT OF WAY TO PROTECT THE EXISTING POLES AND WIRES THAT ARE, UH, SO THEY DON'T GET STRUCK PURPOSE.
AND RIGHT NOW I THINK THEY'RE JUST BEING PROTECTED BY SOME, UH, CAUTION TAPE AND UNFORTUNATELY SOME TRAFFIC CODE.
UM, THE PROPOSED USE FOR THIS BUILDING AND THESE BUILDINGS ON SITE IS FOR ELECTRICAL, WHOLESALE AND CONSTRUCTION SUPPLY COMPANY.
UH, THE HOURS OPERATION ARE INTENDED TO BE 7:00 AM TO 5:00 PM ON A MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY BASIS.
UH, THE ANTICIPATED EMPLOYEES AT THIS TIME ARE TWO TO 10 EMPLOYEES PLUS A CARETAKER AT ANY GIVEN TIME.
SO, UH, THE SITE, UH, WHAT WE ADDRESSED WITH A SMALL SCALE INFILTRATION BASIN AS DISCUSSED EARLIER, THE LOCK COVERAGE OF ALL THE PROPOSED ROOFS THAT ARE CURRENTLY INSTALLED ON SITE AND THE ONES THAT WE HAVE TO INSTALL TO MAKE THE SITE COMPLIANT, UH, WILL RAISE THE SITE, UH, IMPERVIOUS COVERAGE TO 8.3%.
UM, AS I MENTIONED BEFORE, BEFORE EARLIER, UM, THE DEP HAS ISSUED A FLOOD HAZARD VERIFICATION FOR THE SITE.
UM, THIS WAS ISSUED, UH, IN JUNE, UH, 27TH OF 2020 FOURTH.
HOWEVER, WE'RE STILL WAITING ON A DEP TO CONFIRM THE LOI FOR THE WETLAND LINE.
IT WAS SUBMITTED BACK ON NOVEMBER 8TH, 2023.
UM, SO ONCE WE RECEIVED THE WETLAND, UH, CONFIRMATION AT ANY BUFFERS ASSOCIATED, WE CAN MODIFY THE PLANTS TO THE PAPER.
UH, SITE LIGHTING ON THE SITE, IT'S A MIXTURE OF BUILDING MOUNTED LIGHTS AND SOME EXISTING, UM, COBRA HEAD FIXTURES AND FLOOD LIGHTS ARE MOUNTED TO THE EXISTING UTILITY POLES.
THEY APPEAR TO BE DIRECTLY WIRED INTO THE GRID, SO THEY'RE SUBJECT TO THE ELECTRIC COMPANY.
UM, THE APPLICANT DOES AGREE TO A SLIGHT NIGHTLIGHT TEST, SO THE LIGHTING IS NOT REQUIREMENT.
WITH THE TOWNSHIP STANDARD, WE CAN MODIFY ACCORDINGLY AND PICKED UP THE PLANTS.
UH, THE TRACTION CLOSURE IS IN THE YARD.
THERE IS AN EXISTING CONCRETE PAVEMENT AREA THAT I BELIEVE IS THE FORMER TRACTION CLOSURE FOR THE SITE.
WE'RE LOOKING TO REUTILIZE THAT.
ORIGINALLY WE PROPOSED THE CHAIN OF FENCE ENCLOSURE, UH, BUT WITH COMMENTS FROM YOUR BOARD'S PROFESSIONALS, WE'LL MODIFY THAT TO A MASONRY STRUCTURE, UH, WITH A, WITH A METAL CLOSING DOOR WITH A VINYL, UH, COVER.
UH, THE SITE ANTICIPATED FOR TRASH REMOVAL IS ON A WEEKLY BASIS FOR AS NEEDED.
IF THE SITE TRASH GENERATION GROWS, IT'LL BE THROUGH A PRIVATE HAULER DURING HOURS OF BUSINESS OPERATIONS ONLY, UH, SITE ACCESS WILL BE, WILL UTILIZE THE EXISTING SITE ACCESS THAT THE SITE CURRENTLY HAS OFF A RE STATION ROAD, UH, FOR A SIDEWALK FROM THE EXISTING PARKING AREAS, AS WELL AS A DRIVEWAY, UH, THAT COMES INTO THE SITE BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS THAT'S RIGHT ADJACENT TO THE PINK BUILDING.
UM, WITH THIS, THE SITE'S DESIGNED FOR SU 40 TRUCK USE, WHICH A SINGLE UNIT TRUCK BODIES.
UM, IT'S THE LARGER U-HAUL SIZE OF YOU'RE TURING TRUCK SIZES, UM, THAT CAN ASSESS THE SITE.
WE'VE ALSO DESIGNED THE SITE TO MAKE SURE IT CAN ACCOMMODATE THE LARGEST FIRE APPARATUS FOR THE TURNAROUND ON SITE.
THAT'S EVEN DOWN IN THE LARGER AREA OF THE SITE BY THE, UH, BY, BY THE INSTALL CANOPY BUILDING.
UM, WE, THE SITE CAN ALSO BE ASSESSED BY A WB 67 TRUCK, WHICH IS A LARGER TRAILER SIZE OR A NEW JERSEY TITLE 39 TRUCK, WHICH IS STILL A TRACTOR TRAILER SIZE, BUT THE SIZE, THE MAXIMUM RENTED SIZE OF A JERSEY, UH, FOR UNLOADING AND LOADING.
UM, WE DID SUBMIT A, A TRAFFIC GENERATION REPORT.
IT'S, UM, BASED ON BUILDING SIZES, UH, UM, AS PART OF THE TRAFFIC WAIVER FOR THE SITE.
UH, WITH IT, OUR PEAK AM YIELDS BASED ON THE, THE MASS OF THE SIZE OF THE BUILDINGS, UH, WOULD BE, UH, SEVEN PASSENGER VEHICLES AND ONE TRUCK VEHICLE.
THE A PEAK FOR A TOTAL OF EIGHT TRIPS AND EVENING PEAK HOUR, WHICH WOULD BE EIGHT PASSENGER VEHICLES AND TWO TRUCK TRIPS FOR A TOTAL OF 10.
UH, SO WE DON'T SEE THE SITE GENERALLY ANY SIGNIFICANT TRAFFIC VOLUME STATION ROAD, UH, LANDSCAPING AS PROPOSED.
WE DID HAVE THIS APPLICANT CLEAN UP THE SITE, UH, REMOVE ANY OF THE EXCESS LANDSCAPING, ALL THE, THE LARGE WEEDY ITEMS. UM, TRIM ANY TREES, BUSHES, AND CRE OF THE SITE, REMOVE ANY DEAD AND DYING, UM, TREES ACROSS THE FRONT OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WITH IT, WE ARE, UM, WE DID, UH, SEE IT IN THE REVIEW LETTERS THAT THEY WOULD LIKE ADDITIONAL SCREENING OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURE.
UH, SO ALONG THE FRONTAGE AND LIEU OF ESSENTIALLY PROVIDING ADDITIONAL STREET TREES, PROVIDING LARGE
UH, UH, THE OTHER THING APPLICANT DOES AGREE TO FIX AND REPAIR AND DEFENSE IS NECESSARY TO MAKE SURE IT CAN SOUND
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WORKING CONDITION, PROTECT ACCESS TO THE SITE.I THINK THAT RUNS DOWN THROUGH EVERYTHING ELSE.
I MISS SOMETHING OR YOU WANT TO CLARIFY ANYTHING? CAN, CAN YOU JUST, UH, SUMMARIZE THE, UH, EXACT, UH, VARIANCES THAT ARE SOUGHT IN THE APPLICATION? JUST KIND OF JUST RUN THROUGH 'EM ONE BY ONE.
SO GOING BACK TO, I'M GONNA USE, UH, THE CHART PROVIDED IN THE TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP LETTER FROM NOVEMBER 20TH OF REFERENCE.
UH, ALL OF THE CURRENT SETBACKS AND REQUESTED SETBACKS ARE EXISTING NONCONFORMING CONDITIONS OF THE SITE.
UM, WE'RE ASKING FOR CONTAINMENTS OF THOSE.
UH, THEY'RE NOT FROM, UM, THE PROPOSED VIOLATION ITEMS THAT WERE INSTALLED ON THE SITE.
THEY'RE, THEY'RE JUST FROM EXISTING CONDITIONS.
UH, THIS IS FOR THE, UH, FRONT YARD SETBACK MINIMAL.
UH, RIGHT NOW THE SITE IS AT 22 FEET.
THAT IS FROM THE PAINT BUILDING, WHICH IS BUILDING NUMBER ONE TO THE PROPERTY LINE.
UH, WE'RE 150 FEET, WHICH REQUIRED, UM, FRONT YARDS BUFFER SETBACKS TO BOTH ROADS.
UH, IT WOULD BE REQUIRED TO BE 50 FEET OR IT'D STILL BE 22 FEET FROM THE EXISTING BUILDING UP TO RE STATION YARD.
UM, AND WE DO HAVE ANOTHER ONE'S, THE SIDE YARD SETBACK, UM, OF 150 FEET IS REQUIRED, OR TWO FEET IS CURRENTLY.
UM, THIS IS ALONG WITH THE GREEN BUILDING THAT'S RIGHT UP ADJACENT TO THE PROPERTY.
SO WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR ANY NEW VARIANCES.
FOR THE SETBACKS, WE'RE JUST ASKING FOR A CONTINUATION OF THE EXISTING, UH, NONCONFORMING SETBACKS FOR THE PROPERTY.
WELL, I THINK TO CLARIFY THAT THE, UM, BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN, THAT'S A AREA CORRECT? IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE THE SITUATION.
IS THAT CORRECT? BUT YES, WE'RE ASKING THAT FOR BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN, WHICH COLOR AS THE BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN? BUILDING NUMBER SEVEN IS THE DARK GREEN BUILDING.
THAT'S THE, AND THOSE ARE ALL THE VARIANCES.
WE DO HAVE A HANDFUL OF DESIGN WAIVERS.
WE ARE ASKING FOR, UM, ONE TO PROVIDE, UH, STREET TREES ALONG THE ENTIRETY OF THE FRONTAGE OF THE PROPERTY THAT'S ALONG.
UM, FOR, UH, I SHOULD MENTIONED, I TAKE THIS FOR, FOR REFERENCE, UH, ALONG FOSTER TOWN ROAD, THERE'S EXISTING, UH, TREES THAT ARE OUT THERE.
WE'D REQUEST THE, THE, THE WAIVER TO NOT INSTALL TREE TREES, STREET TREES ALONG THIS FRONTAGE.
SO WE'D HAVE TO REMOVE TREES TO INSTALL TREES.
WE DON'T QUITE SEE THE POINT FOR THAT ONE.
AND ALSO ALONG THESE STATIONED ROAD, THERE ARE SOME TREES ALONG THAT EDGE, BUT ANY STREET TREES THAT WOULD BE INSTALLED BE DIRECTLY UNDERNEATH ANY EXISTING POWER LINES.
SO IN THE FUTURE, THEY WOULD BE HACKED BACK.
UM, ALONG THE DIRECT FRONT OF THE SITE, YOU'LL SEE THE, THE LARGE GREEN DOTS.
THEY ARE THE EXISTING TREE TREES THAT WERE INSTALLED PRIOR APPROVALS ACROSS THE SITE.
SOME OF THEM HAVE DIED AND WE'VE BEEN REMOVED.
WE CAN REPLACE THOSE AS REQUESTED AND THE STRETCH IN FRONT OF THE TRASH ENCLOSURES AS OPPOSED TO INSTALLING STREET TREES.
WE ARE PROPOSING EVERS ESSENTIALLY SKIRTING TRASH AND CLOSURE AND THE SITE FROM STATION IF THAT'S ACCEPTABLE FOR THE FORM.
WITH REGARD TO THE STREET TREES, JUST 'CAUSE WE'RE ON, AND I KNOW IT'S FURTHER DOWN ON OUR REPORT, OUR RECOMMENDATION, SOME OF THE TREES HAVE ALREADY BEEN CUT IN HALF THAT ARE UNDER THE UTILITY LINES.
OUR SUGGESTION WOULD BE, OBVIOUSLY I DON'T, WE WOULD NEVER SUGGEST, AND I DON'T THINK THE BOARD WOULD WANT MATURE VEGETATION, WHETHER, YOU KNOW, THAT REALLY WASN'T THE KIND OF OUR REPORT.
THERE ARE SOME GAPS IN THE EXISTING VEGETATION AND WE THINK WHERE THERE ARE GAPS, UM, ALONG PARTICULARLY REEF STATION ROAD, UH, SUPPLEMENTAL STREET TREES CAN BE PUT IN THOSE GAPS.
THEY CAN BE, UH, LOCATION AND SIZE THAT THEY WON'T CONFLICT WITH THE OVERHEAD WIRE.
SO WHETHER THAT MEANS SHIFTING THEM BACK INTO THE PROPERTY, UH, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THAT THOSE GAPS BE FILLED SO THAT THE TREE IS GENERALLY CONSISTENT.
UM, WE KNOW THAT WE HAVE, UH, PLANNED RESIDENTIAL DEVELOPMENT ACROSS THE STREET, SO MAKING SURE THAT WE, UM, PASTURE TREES AND AS, AS WELL AS THE BOTH IMPORTANT LONG TERM FOR THE CHARACTER OF THAT AREA OF THE COMMUNITY.
WOULD THAT BE AGREEABLE TO THE APPLICANT? YES.
AND MR. TAYLOR WOULD, UM, THE, A SHOW YOU THAT PROPOSED PLAN OF WHERE THE NEW TREES ARE GONNA BE PLANTED? YEAH, SO IF THE COURT MAKES THAT A CONDITION OF APPROVAL AND ANY OTHER CONDITIONS THAT THEY AGREE TO TONIGHT, UH, ASSUMING IF WE TO PROVE THAT THE APPLICANT WILL HAVE
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TO MEMORIALIZE ALL OF THOSE ON A REVISED SET OF SITE PLANS TO ADDRESS MR. NO'S COMMENT AND OUR COMMENTS, UM, BEFORE WE WOULD ISSUE A RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE LETTER SIGNING OFF ON THOSE AND THEN THAT WOULD BE THE NEXT STEP FOR THEM ACTUALLY GETTING ZONING PERMITS AND CONSTRUCTION PERMITS TO DO THE WORK.VICE CHAIRMAN, I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT ANOTHER WAIVER THAT WAS IN THE LETTER REGARDING THE SIDEWALKS.
UM, SIDEWALKS HAVE TO START SOMEWHERE.
UM, I DIDN'T HEAR ANY TESTIMONY ABOUT WHY YOU'RE NOT GOING TO PUT IN SIDEWALKS.
UH, WE HAVE SIDEWALKS ALONG THE FRONT FROM OUR PARKING AREA INTO THE SITE.
UM, BEYOND THAT ACCESS TO, UH, FOSTER TOWN ROAD AND THE REST OF RE STATION ROAD, THERE IS NO UNFORTUNATELY ACCESS TO ANYTHING ELSE IN THE AREA.
SO WE DON'T SEE PUTTING THE SIDEWALKS IN WOULD BE THE BENEFIT TO ANYBODY AT THIS POINT.
I THINK IT SAID IN THE REVIEW LETTER THAT THE COUNTY WAS LOOKING TO HAVE SIDEWALKS BECAUSE THEY'RE LOOKING TO GO IN THAT DIRECTION.
IF THE COUNTY, WE DO HAVE TO MAKE A COUNTY APPLICATION FOR A LABOR OR SITE PLANNING BECAUSE WE DO RUN ON A COUNTY ROADWAY, UM, AT, AT THE DIRECTION OF THE COUNTY.
WE CAN INSTALL SIDEWALKS ALONG THERE.
THE, UM, IT'S NOT A COUNTY ROAD, SO I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WE STILL HAVE TO REPLY FOR EVEN.
WELL, I UNDERSTAND THAT, BUT I DON'T THINK THE COUNTY WILL MAKE A COMMENT ON THE SIDEWALKS.
BUT THE TOWN DOES REQUIRE SIDEWALKS OR YOU COULD, UM, CONTRIBUTE, UM, YEAH, UH, TO THE SIDEWALK, UH, SIDEWALK INSTALLATION FUND THEREOF, SO WE CAN DECIDE WHICH WAY TO GO ON THAT.
UM, THERE'S NOT A WHOLE LOT OF SIDEWALK DOWN THAT THIS WAY AND THE DEVELOPMENT IS GONNA BE UP BY THE FLYING W AND THERE'S A LOT OF WETLANDS ON EITHER SIDE STREET CROSSING, SO IT'S GONNA BE DIFFICULT TO HAVE TO CONTINUE THE SIDEWALK.
SO EITHER, EITHER INSTALL THE SIDEWALK OR MAKE A CONTRIBUTION THERE.
CAN WE, UH, MAKE THE DETERMINATION, WE'LL FIGURE OUT WHAT THE CONTRIBUTION FEE WOULD BE FOR SIDEWALK, WE'LL MAKE THAT CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
AND THERE WERE TWO OTHER AREAS THAT I DIDN'T HEAR TESTIMONY, WHICH WERE ABOUT THE PONDS AND THE FACADE, THE PONDS MEETING WITH THE TESTING OF THE WATER AND TESTIMONY REGARDING HOW LONG THEY'VE BEEN THERE, ET CETERA.
SO THE, THE EXISTING PONDS ON SITE, UM, ARE MANDATED.
THEY'RE, THEY'VE BEEN DRAWN OFF RIGHT NOW FOR FIRE PROTECTION FOR THE SITE.
UM, SO WITH THAT, WE DON'T RECOMMEND TESTING AT THIS POINT FOR ANYTHING.
IF WE NEED TO PROVIDE PH UM, THE TESTING WOULD BE LIMITED TO WHAT WE CAN PROVIDE FOR THEM, UM, AS WELL AS TEMPERATURE AND SOFT OXYGEN ITSELF.
UM, BUT THE TESTING FOR THAT WOUND WHEN SIGNIFICANT RESULTS, UM, THE PONDS ARE NOT USED FOR DRAINING.
MARYLAND REALLY USED FOR FIRE PROTECTION TO THE, UH, AS FOR THE, THE SIZE OF THE BUILDING, WE DID SUBMIT A REPORT, UH, SHOWING PHOTOGRAPHS OF ALL THE BASES AND EVERY SINGLE ANGLE THEY ADDED ADDITIONAL, UM, SIDING TO THE, THE BUILDINGS THAT NEEDED IT.
UM, AND THE MAIN BUILDING WILL STILL NEED TO BE CLEANED AND PAINTED ACCORDINGLY, BUT IT WAS STILL REASONABLE ASSESSMENT.
WHAT OF THOSE TWO TODAY? UH, CLEAN PERMISSION.
LET'S, TAYLOR, DID YOU HAVE ANY THOUGHTS ON THE PAINT EXTERIOR OF THE STRUCTURES? YEAH, COUPLE OF THE, THE BUILDINGS ARE, ARE VERY STAR LIGHT RIGHT NOW.
IT'S JUST FOR INDUSTRIAL SITES LIKE THIS AND WE TRY TO REDUCE, WE HAVE SOME RESIDENTS ACROSS REEF STATION ROAD.
UM, NO COLORS WERE IDENTIFIED, SO WE WOULD SUGGEST THAT THEY BE CONSISTENT WITH THE COMMUNITY DESIGN STANDARDS.
SOMETHING THAT IS A LITTLE CLOSER AND MORE FITTING TO THE BRICK ON SOME OF THE FACADE.
SO MORE WARM, MUTED GRAY OR TONE, UM, THAT WOULD LET THOSE BUILDINGS SORT OF BLEND INTO THE BACKGROUND AND THINK WOULD BE MORE APPROPRIATE IN THAT LOCATION.
UM, AND IN TERMS OF THE POND, UH, IS THERE ANY NO CONTAMINATION ON THE SITE ANYWHERE? NONE THAT WE'RE AWARE OF.
UM, BECAUSE THE MAIN REASON WE, WE RAISED A QUESTION ABOUT THE POND AND THE TESTING IS WE HAVE A RESIDENCE THERE, WE HAVE A WALKWAY DOWN AND A DOCK THERE THAT IF THERE'S ANY OPPORTUNITY THAT THAT WATER IS LESS THAN SAFE, THAT THERE SHOULD EITHER BE TESTING OR SORT OF A SWIMMING PROHIBITION.
JUST WE CAN VOTE FOR NO SWIMMING IF YOU'D LIKE.
UM, THAT'S PROBABLY THE BENEFIT OF THE APPLICANT AS WELL.
AND THAT'S, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO AVOID HERE BECAUSE JUST WITH THIS HISTORY, WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF LAKE IN THE AREA, YOU KNOW, EITHER OLD CRANBERRY BOBS OR ON DEVELOPMENT, GIVEN THE HISTORY OF THIS SITE, MAYBE YOU GRATEFUL THERE WOULD BE SOME LEVEL OF EITHER SIGNS OR SAFETY OF THE ACTUAL TESTING.
SO WITH WE, WE CAN POST IT FOR ESPECIALLY,
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UM, I HAVE AN ISSUE WITH THAT.AS FAR AS TESTING GOES, WE'RE NOT USING COMPLIANCE, SO THERE'S NO ADDITIONAL WORK ITSELF SURROUNDING IT ITSELF DIRECTLY USED TO BE USED FOR FLOOD STORAGE.
THERE IS AN EXISTING PIPE, A DIVERSION STRUCTURE ALONG THE SCREEN CHANNEL.
YOU SEE THE BLUE AREA ON THE PLAN.
WE THAT AS THE SCREEN CHANNEL.
UM, IT DID HAVE A DIVERSION STRUCTURE AT ONE POINT, SO WHEN THAT FLOODED THAT FLOOD INTO THE SITE TO PROVIDE IRRIGATION.
HOWEVER, THAT'S NO LONGER BEING DUE LIST RIGHT NOW.
IT HAS THE POTENTIAL FUTURE WITH BURT LARGE STORE EVENTS INTO THE POND AREA.
THEY'LL KEEP IT FROM ANY DOWNSTREAM IMPACTS, BUT IT'S NOT BEING USED TO ON DAILY BASIS BASIS.
UM, DID THE APPLICANT SUBMIT A PHASE ONE ENVIRONMENTAL ANALYSIS? UH, IF BEFORE THEY PURCHASED THE PROPERTY, DID THEY ACTUALLY, DID THEY RETAIN ONE? YOU HAVE A ONE? YES.
MRS. OFFICE REVIEW THAT RELATIVE TO THE, THE WATER ISSUES AS WELL.
COURT, I THINK THAT PRETTY, THESE APPLICATIONS, UH, THERE WAS SOME CLEANUP, UH, ON THIS SITE AND IT WAS CLEANED UP, UH, CORRECTLY.
APPROPRIATE ONE THAT, UH, THE APPLICANT HAS WOULD BE, UH, WE APPROVE THAT OR PROVIDE ANY OTHER INFORMATION.
MR. TAYLOR, UH, ANOTHER THING I NOTICED ABOUT THE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THE SITE, WHICH THE, THE CHAIN LENGTH FENCE AROUND THE PROPERTY, WHICH I KNOW HISTORICALLY THIS BOARD HATES CHAINING FENCES.
UH, IS THAT SOMETHING THAT COULD BE ADDRESSED WITH THIS APPLICATION? IT, IT CAN BE.
WE HAD RAISED IT AND JUST IDENTIFIED IT.
THERE ARE SOME AREAS THAT DO NEED TO PREPARE.
UM, OBVIOUSLY IF THIS WAS A NEW APPLICATION, I THINK THE THE BOARD WOULD BE LOOKING FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT, OBVIOUSLY FOR SOMETHING DIFFERENT.
SO I THINK HAVING THAT DISCUSSION OF WHETHER THE TWO OR NOT PICKET FENCE IS APPROPRIATE OR WHETHER A EVEN A BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN LINK, WHICH TENDS TO DISAPPEAR MORE.
UM, THOSE THINGS, THOSE THINGS COULD BE ADDRESSED.
THIS IS A STRUCTURE OUTSIDE WITH AN EXISTING FENCE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, IT'S BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
SO IT'S, IT'S ONE OF THOSE THINGS THAT BEEN THERE A LONG TIME.
IT HASN'T GOTTEN ANY LESS UGLY THOUGH.
SO CAN I, WOULD YOU WILLING TO PAINT THIS SO WE WE CAN PAINT DEFENSE FLAG REPAIR ANY HOLES? MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU THINK THAT WOULD HELP? IT DEFINITELY WILL HELP AGAIN BECAUSE WE HAVE SOME AND WE'LL, ONE UNIT, UM, TWO OTHER ITEMS JUST, UM, THERE WAS SOME TESTIMONY ABOUT THE EXISTING OVERHEADS THAT ARE ON UTILITY WALLS.
UM, SO ONE OF THOSE IS WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY WHERE YOU STATION ROAD YES.
AND TWO OF THE OTHER POLE ARE ACTUALLY LOCATED ON YOUR PROPERTY AND THEY'RE SORT OF BEING USED TO LIGHT YOUR SITE AND PARK.
ARE THOSE BEING MIRRORED AND JUST HANDLED THROUGH, I MEAN PAID FOR BY THE MUNICIPALITY? UH, IBEL BEING THEY'RE WIRED DIRECTLY TO THE GIL WIRE.
SO THE PROBLEM, WHATEVER TARIFF SYSTEM IS BEING OPPOSED ON THE TOWNSHIP FOR ATTACHED TO, WE MIGHT SUGGEST THAT IT, ESPECIALLY THOSE AREAS THAT ARE LIGHTING THE PARKING AND SOME OF THE APPLICANT'S SITE THAT IT MAY BE APPROPRIATE FOR THOSE LIGHTS TO BE ELIMINATED.
THE APPLICANT PROVIDE THEIR OWN LIGHTING AND THEN PAY FOR THAT ELECTRICITY AND PERPETUITY.
UM, THE LIGHT IS FULLY WITHIN THE RIGHT OF WAY DOES PROVIDE LIGHT FOR THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THAT MAY BE APPROPRIATE TO SAY, BUT, BUT I THINK SOME OF THOSE OTHERS IT MAY UH, MAKE SENSE FOR THAT TO BE ADDRESSED.
THE BILL FOR SOME RECYCLING THEIR PROPERTY.
SO WHAT, WHEN WE CONDUCT THE NIGHTLINE FUNCTION TEST, THAT WAS ONE OF THE, UH, ISSUES THAT THE WALL PACK THAT WORKS.
UM, AND THEN THE SECOND ITEM IS YOU HAVE WALL PACKS THAT ARE EXISTING WALL PACKS SURROUNDING THAT ARE SORT OF A FLOODLIGHT
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TYPE LIGHT.AND THAT WE HAD RECOMMENDED AN RO FOUR, THE BAG BECAUSE GLARE PRODUCING FLOODLIGHTS AND THINGS LIKE THAT ARE NOT PERMITTED BY ORDINANCE.
UM, WE WOULD RECOMMEND THOSE BE MODIFIED TO BE A SHIELDED LIGHT.
UM, AND I WOULD THINK AND HOPE THAT 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT'S ELECTRICAL WHOLESALING DISTRIBUTION, THAT PUTTING NEW LIFE ON THE BUILDING MAY BE DOABLE TO YES, THAT RECOMMENDATION.
THAT MEANS I STILL WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE RESULTS OF THE NINE 11 TEST FIRST AND OF COURSE, YEAH, I THINK THERE'LL BE A NUMBER OF IMPROVEMENTS IDENTIFIED.
MR, DO YOU HAVE HAVE ANYTHING ELSE ON YOUR LIST? UH, I'M SCRAMBLING THROUGH MY REPORT, UH, DATED NOVEMBER 20TH.
I THINK THE APPLICANT HAS ADDRESSED THE MAJORITY OF THOSE.
UM, AND JUST FOR CONFIRMATION, BECAUSE WE KNOW THAT THROUGH SOME OF THE TDS THERE WAS SOME OUTSIDE STORAGE, BUT THAT IS, THERE WAS NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OF ANY EQUIPMENT OR MATERIALS THAT WILL BE PROPOSED OR PERMITTED ON SITE, CORRECT? CORRECT.
AND THERE WILL BE NO TRAILERS OR STORAGE CONTAINERS THAT WILL BE USED FOR THE STORAGE MATERIALS.
THE ONLY TIME WOULD BE ANY TRAILERS LEFT FOR UNLOADING PURPOSES UNDER REMOVE FROM THE SITE, CORRECT.
UM, THEN YOU DID AGREE TO PROVIDE SOME ADDITIONAL EVERGREEN SCREEN TO MAKE SURE THAT THE LOAD AREAS ARE SCREENED FROM THE SURROUNDING ROADWAYS AND WE'LL SUPPLEMENT THE YES.
UM, AND THEN THERE'S BUILDINGS, ALL THOSE LOCKED BUILDINGS THAT STILL WERE PAINTED, UH, WOULD BE DONE IN COLOR.
YOU'LL SEE IN SOME OF THEIR EXHIBIT REPORT THEY HAVE PUT WHITE SIDE NEW WHITE VINYL SIDING ON SOME OF THE BUILDINGS.
UM, OUR RECOMMENDATION WOULD BE THAT ANY, ANY FUTURE SIDING OR THE NEW PAINTING THAT NEEDS TO BE DONE TO BE DONE IN MORE TONE, SOMETHING LIKE THE COLOR OF THESE WALLS, IT'LL SHOW US AGE.
IT'LL SHOW ESTHER SORT OF BLEND LIGHT TOUCH COLOR PALETTE OR UM, WE CAN WORK WITH YOU ON THOSE.
BUT UNDER THE COMMUNITY DESIGN STANDARDS IT TALKS ABOUT WARM YOU
I JUST WASN'T SURE IF WE HAD ANY SPECIFIC COLORS, BUT YEAH, WE CAN, WE CAN PROVIDE SOME SAMPLES THROUGH THE CHAIR IN THAT SAME KIND OF NOTION.
CAN WE DO THE SAME THING WITH THE FENCING? LIKE FUTURE REPLACEMENT OF FENCING CAN BE WITH THE COATED VINYL.
LIKE EVEN THOUGH IT'S JUST BEING PAINTED NOW? YES.
THAT'S ACTUALLY, THAT WOULD BE A GREAT THING THAT IF THEY EVER HAVE TO REPLACE THAT FRONT CHAIN FENCE, THEY GO WITH A BLACK VINYL COATED CHAIN FENCE.
ANYTHING? I HAD A COUPLE COMMENTS.
I'M NOT SURE I MISSED THIS OR NOT, BUT THE TRACTION RECYCLING, DID YOU DESCRIBE NOW IT'S COLLECTED WHAT HOURS THAT WOULD? SO THE TRACTION RECYCLING WOULD BE, UH, WELL ORIGINALLY WE PROPOSED IT AS A A FENCE, UH, TRACTION ENCLOSURE ORDER MODIFIED THAT CEMENT, UH, MASONRY, UM, BLOCK ENCLOSURE.
THE CLOSING GATE, UH, IT WOULD BE COLLECTED BY A PRIVATEER DURING BUSINESS HOURS.
UM, GENERALLY ON A WEEKLY BASIS AS NEEDED.
BUT FOR THE BUSINESS HOURS BETWEEN SEVEN FIVE MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY BASIS, WOULD THE, UH, MASONRY CLOSURE BE BE SAME NEUTRAL? YES, IT WOULD MATCH THE COLOR STRUCTURES.
THE, UH, IN YOUR RESPONSE, LARRY, YOU'VE ADDRESSED OUR COMMENTS.
THE STORMWATER MANAGEMENT, UH, SA SATISFACTORY MEETS THE STATE REQUIREMENTS AND MUNICIPAL REQUIREMENTS MEET BEST MANAGE MANAGEMENT PRACTICES, INFRASTRUCTURE, ET CETERA.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU'LL HAVE TO DO THE DEED RESTRICTION AND AN
AND, UH, DO YOU HAVE ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR ISSUES WITH ANYTHING ELSE IN THE LETTER? NO.
UM, QUESTION ABOUT THE, UH, THE CARETAKER
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AND THAT'S A RESIDENCE, CORRECT? SO IT IS, UH, THE CARETAKER BUILDING IS PERMITTED WITHIN THE ORDINANCE TO HAVE A CARETAKER ON SITE.UM, SO THEY DO SUPERVISE THE PROPERTY, ALLOW HOLDING ACCESS FOR KIDS.
I HAVE A QUESTION ALSO ON THE CARETAKER PROPERTY.
IS THAT, IS THAT BUILDING SERVICE THROUGH THE TRASH DUMPS OR IS THAT RESIDENTIAL TRASH? SO BEING THAT IT IS A RESIDENTIAL PROPERTY, TECHNICALLY WOULD BE SERVICE WHAT WE'RE GONNA USE IT AS THE PRIVATE HOMEOWNER THROUGH FROM SITE.
AND IS THERE BASED OFF THE PROFESSIONAL'S OPINION, IS THERE A LIMITATION TO THE NUMBER OF OCCUPANTS OF THAT BUILDING OR IT'S A SINGLE FAMILY RESIDENCE? SO IT WOULD, UM, UNDER THE ORDINANCE IT HAS TO BE USED BY A CARETAKER, THE OWNER AND THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS.
SO THERE IS NO LIMITATION TO THE, TO THE NUMBER OF PEOPLE IN THERE, BUT IT WOULD BE LIMITED AS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
SO IT'S NOT RENTED OUT OR CONVERTED INTO A DUPLEX.
IS IT ONLY ONE HOUSEKEEPING UNIT NOW WITH ONE? YES, IT'S ONE BREAK ROOM.
IT HAS THREE BEDROOMS IN IT AND A KITCHEN.
UM, AND PLUS WE HAVE TO PROVIDE TWO PARKING SPACES OR SO IT IS LIMITED TO HOW LARGE? RIGHT.
SO IT'LL BE ONE HOUSEKEEPING UNIT? CORRECT.
ARE THERE, ARE THERE MULTIPLE ELECTRICAL SERVICES TO THAT? I, I DON'T BELIEVE SO.
WE DID SUBMIT FLOOR PLANS OF THE BUILDING.
SO THE HOUSE IN, IN GENERAL, UM, IT CONSISTS OF A BATHROOM, UH, A LARGE LIVING AND DINING ROOM, UM, THE BOILING ROOM, THE BEDROOMS AND ANOTHER BATHROOM FOR THE MASTER BEDROOM.
UM, DOES THAT NEED, IT IS A SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE, BY ALL MEANS.
HAS IT HAVE A COVERED CANOPY AREA OUTSIDE FOR THE PORCH? AND THIS IS A QUESTION FOR THE PROFESSIONALS.
DOES IT NEED TO REMAIN A RESIDENCE OR CAN IT ULTIMATELY BE CONVERTED INTO STORAGE OR WHATEVER IN CONJUNCTION AS FAR AS COMMERCIAL PROPERTY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT? UM, IT'S APPROVED AS A RESIDENCE.
NOW IF THERE WAS ANYTHING, UH, ANY CHANGE TO A COMMERCIAL USE, IT WOULD THEN BE SUBJECT TO THE ORDINANCE AND IF IT MET THE STANDARDS FOR A SITE PLAN WAIVER OR SOMETHING ELSE, THEY WOULD HAVE TO RETURN THE BOARD.
SO IT CAN'T BE FLIPPED BACK AND FORTH, I GUESS IS MY QUESTION.
NO, TO ADD THAT TO YOUR OWN PEACE OF MIND.
IF IT WAS INCREASED THEN WE HAVE TO PROVIDE ADDITIONAL PARKING FOR IT IN ADDITION TO JUST THE TWO STALLS.
UM, I JUST WANTED TO TALK ABOUT THE WATER TESTING AGAIN SO I HAVE CLARITY ABOUT WHERE WE ENDED UP WITH THAT.
UM, THE ONE POND LOOKS LIKE IT'S OVER THE LOT LINE, THERE'S ANOTHER PROPERTY ADJACENT TO IT, I'M ASSUMING THAT'S RESIDENTIAL FROM THE WAY IT LOOKS FROM THIS PICTURE.
AND I JUST WANTED TO UNDERSTAND REALLY OTHER BOARD MEMBERS', YOU KNOW, OPINION ABOUT THAT WATER TESTING, YOU KNOW, HAVING A SIGN THAT SAYS NO SWIMMING, HOW IS THAT GOING TO MITIGATE THE PART OF THE POND THAT'S ACROSS THE LOT LINE AND YOU KNOW HOW LIKE THE SUPPORT OF NOT TESTING? YEAH, AND, AND LIKE WHO OWNS, WHO OWNS SINCE IT CROSSES THE PROPERTY LINE, WHO OWNS IT THAT THERE WAS AN APPLICATION UH, SOME YEARS AGO THAT LOT LINE WAS ADJUSTED FOR THAT SINGLE FAMILY HOUSE.
UH, SO WHERE THAT YELLOW LINE IS, YOU SEE ON THIS SERIAL THAT'S ONE LOT OWNS ONE SIDE OF THE YELLOW LINE AND THEY OWN THE OTHER SIDE.
SO I I I'M JUST GONNA SAY THAT AS A BOARD MEMBER, I DON'T FEEL COMFORTABLE WITH JUST A NO SWIMMING SIGN WHEN THE, THE POND ISN'T FULLY ENCLOSED WITHIN THE PREMISES OF THE APPLICANT.
SO I BELIEVE THAT WAS BROUGHT UP WITH THAT SUBDIVISION TEAM.
I HAVE TO, I CAN CHECK THE FILES AND SEE WHAT THE TESTING WAS AT THAT TIME, BUT THAT WAS QUITE A FEW YEARS AGO.
IT WAS PROBABLY, I DUNNO, 10 YEARS AGO MAYBE.
AND SPEAKING OF THE APPLICANT TO ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN, WE CAN PROVIDE TESTING.
IS THIS THE OTHER PROPERTY OWNER SITTING, SITTING OUT HERE? OKAY, IT'S 24 YEARS AGO SO FAR IT OKAY.
SO THE APPLE IS, WE'LL PROVIDE THE TEST TEST.
DOES THAT ADDRESS YOUR CONCERN? YES.
YEAH, AND THAT TESTING WOULD BE, WE CAN DETERMINE WHAT WE'RE GONNA TEST FOR.
YEAH, I ANTICIPATE BEFORE QUALITY THE TEST THAT BUCKET, THE ANALYSIS.
ONCE OTHER QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD.
I, I HAVE SOME CONCERN ABOUT THE
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CURBING AND THE, THE GUY WIRES BEING THE RIGHT OF WAY REEF STATION ROAD.UM, IS THERE ANY THOUGHT TO RECONFIGURE THAT BEING WITH THE PUSH BAR FROM THE OTHER SIDE INSTEAD OF LEAVING THAT DOWN GUY THERE? WELL, THE ISSUE, UH, SORRY.
UH, WE'RE GONNA APPROACH P, SE AND G AND SEE IF WE CAN MOVE THAT FOLLOWING CARD.
SEE WITH IT RIGHT NOW WE ESSENTIAL PROTECTION WARRANT AND, AND MR THAT WOULD BE TOWNSHIP'S RESPONSIBILITY? YES.
ANY OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE BOARD, MR DRAWS? IS THIS THE PUBLIC COMMENT ON IF THERE'S NO, NO OTHER QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? YES, WE SHOULD OPEN IT TO THE PUBLIC FOR PUBLIC COMMENT.
OKAY, LET'S OPEN, UH, IT UP FOR COMMENTS FROM THE PUBLIC.
ARE THERE ANY MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WHO WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ABOUT THIS APPLICATION? YES.
COME ON UP AND STATE YOUR NAME AND, UH, WHERE, WHERE YOU LIVE.
RN, YOU'LL, YOU HEAR ME WITH THE MICROPHONE OR NOT? NO DOUBT.
IF YOU COULD GIVE US YOUR NAME AND AS MUCH OF YOUR ADDRESS AS YOU 27 FOSTER TOWN ROAD.
THE BLOCK IS 3 0 2 THE LOT 39.07.
MR. GARVIN, DO YOU SWEAR THE TESTIMONY YOU GIVE TO THE BOARD TO BE THE TRUTH, THE WHOLE TRUTH, AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH? ABSOLUTELY.
UM, FOR REFERENCE THE, YOU MAY PAUL, THIS IS MY HOUSE.
UM, I HAVE A NUMBER OF POINTS, UH, REGARDING THINGS ON THE SITE PLAN AND THE DOCUMENTATION THAT WAS PROVIDED TO US LAST WEEK AT THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, SOME OF THE THINGS THAT I THINK NEED TO BE CORRECTED AND SOME ISSUES THAT I HAVE, AND THEN A COUPLE ISSUES THAT I HAD WITH THE RESPONSE FROM THE ENGINEERING FIRM, SOME OF THE THINGS YOU'VE ALREADY DISCUSSED HERE TONIGHT.
SOME OF THE THINGS I'M PROBABLY GONNA DISPUTE AND SOME THINGS THAT YOU HAVEN'T.
UM, SO I'LL START AND WITH YOU PATIENT WITH ME.
UM, ON SOME OF THE DOCUMENTS IN THE, UH, PLAN, THE RES THE ADJACENT RESIDENTIAL PROPERTIES ARE NOTED AS AGRICULTURAL PROPERTIES.
UM, THEY ARE NOT FARMS, THEY'RE HOMES, UM, AND THEIR FAMILIES LIVE THERE.
I THINK SOME OF THE OTHER PEOPLE ARE ACTUALLY HERE TONIGHT.
UM, SO THESE FAMILIES AND THESE HOMES WILL DIRECTLY BE IMPACTED BY THIS PROPOSAL.
SO I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO KEEP THAT IN MIND.
IT'S NOT A STICKINESS IN THE MIDDLE OF A FARM, UH, NOT LONG AFTER THE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS.
MOST RECENTLY THERE WAS A DITCH DUG FROM APPROXIMATELY HERE, DOWN HERE INTO THIS POND, ABOUT THREE TO FOUR FEET DEEP, ABOUT 18 INCHES WIDE.
AND IT WAS FILLED WITH PVC DRAIN PIPE IS WHAT IT LOOKED LIKE.
UM, I KNOW THERE ARE A NUMBER OF THINGS ON THIS PLAN THAT ARE RETROACTIVE BECAUSE THEY WERE DONE WITHOUT PERMIT AND ARE NOTED ON THE PLAN GOING FORWARD.
I DON'T SEE THAT ANYWHERE ON ANY OF THE DOCUMENTATION.
MY CONCERN IS HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THE WATER QUALITY IN THIS POND AND THE OVERALL DRAINAGE AND HYDROLOGY OF THE FACILITY AND THE PLAN.
UM, AND FOR LARGE PART, BECAUSE WHAT YOU DON'T SEE ON THIS PLAN IS THE CHANGE IN ELEVATION.
SO IF YOU LOOK AT WHERE THE DRAINAGE BASIN IS, THE, THE YELLOW MARKING THERE, BOTH THE POND AND MY PROPERTY ARE SIGNIFICANTLY LOWER ELEVATION.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS ON THE INDUSTRIAL AREA OF THAT PROPERTY WILL GO DOWNHILL.
WATER GOES DOWNHILL, ANYTHING THAT'S IN THE WATER GOES DOWNHILL.
SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT THE ONE POND AND ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS GOING DOWNHILL FROM THERE, WHICH INCLUDES MY PROPERTY, WHICH INCLUDES PART OF THE OTHER POND.
UH, THERE ARE MENTIONS IN THE PLAN THAT I READ THROUGH THIS WEEK THAT MENTIONED BOTH, UM, WELL IN SEPTIC AS WELL AS MUNICIPAL WATER SERVICE AND SEWER.
IS THIS SITE GOING TO HAVE MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER OR IS IT GONNA BE WELL IN SEPTIC? AND IF IT'S WELL IN SEPTIC, HAS IT WELL IN SEPTIC BEEN TESTED TO MAKE SURE THAT IT'S FUNCTIONAL? IT HASN'T BEEN USED IN OVER A DECADE.
THE BUILDING'S BEEN EMPTY FOR THAT LONG.
UM, AGAIN, SPEAKING TO WATER QUALITY, IF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM ISN'T FUNCTIONING, IT CAN HAVE PROB.
WE HAVE PROBLEMS WITH THE WATER QUALITY IN AND AROUND THE WHOLE AREA.
LOOKING ON THE SITE PLAN, THERE IS A PATHWAY BETWEEN THE TWO LARGE BODIES OF WATER.
UH, AND ON THAT PATHWAY, THE SITE PLAN MENTIONS
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A BRIDGE.WHAT APPEARS TO BE A BRIDGE FROM OVERHEAD, IF YOU HAVEN'T VISITED THE SITE, IS AN EMPTY STORAGE CONTAINER THAT HAS BEEN SITTING ON THE PROPERTY ABANDONED FOR THE ENTIRE TIME THAT THEY'VE OWNED IT.
UM, YOU BROUGHT UP THE SUBJECT EARLIER OF STORAGE CONTAINERS.
THERE'S ALREADY AN EMPTY STORAGE CONTAINER ON THAT PROPERTY.
IT'S BEEN THERE THE WHOLE TIME THAT THEY'VE OWNED IT.
THE SITE PLAN SHOWS A CONCRETE WALL IN ONE SPOT.
AND THIS IS IMPORTANT AND I'LL EXPLAIN WHY.
IT SHOWS RIGHT HERE SOMETHING CALLED CONCRETE WALL THAT IS IN FACT NOT A CONCRETE WALL.
AND THAT SPILLWAY IS USED TO REGULATE THE HEIGHT OF THE WATER IN THE TWO PONDS.
TWO PONDS ARE INTERCONNECTED BY AN UNDERGROUND CULVERT.
SO THE WATER LEVEL STAYS THE SAME IN BOTH PONDS.
THE LARGE POND IS FED BY AN UNDERGROUND SPRING UNDERGROUND.
SPRING WAS HIT BY THE, UM, SOLAR MINING COMPANY 120 YEARS AGO, AND IT FILLED THAT UP, SPILLED WEIGHT INTO THE OTHER POND.
AND THAT'S HOW IT BECAME A LAKE.
CALLING IT A MANMADE LAKE IS, IS A LITTLE BIT OF A STRETCH.
IT'S BEEN A NATURALIZED LAKE FOR OVER A HUNDRED YEARS.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS IN THE ONE POND HAPPENS IN THE OTHER POND, WHICH MEANS IT HAPPENS ON MY PROPERTY.
THE, THE, THE LARGE LAKE, CONSTANTLY SURPRISED FRESH WATER TO THE SMALLER LAKE.
AND THEN THE SPILLWAY OUT OF THE SMALLER LAKE GOES INTO A TRENCH THAT RUNS ONTO MY PROPERTY.
SO THAT ONE LAKE SPILLS IT CONSTANTLY.
IT'S A CONSTANT WATER SUPPLY FROM THE SPRING FEED.
IT GOES INTO THAT POND AND DRAINS DIRECTLY ONTO MY PROPERTY, WHICH IS ALSO PART OF BOTH THE OCCUS WATERSHED AND THE DELAWARE RIVER WATERSHED.
SO ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS THERE DIRECTLY IMPACTS US.
SO I HAVE CONCERNS ABOUT WATER QUALITY.
WE BROUGHT THIS UP A NUMBER OF TIMES.
THIS IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA.
WE'VE HAD THE DEP OUT ONCE ALREADY ON THE PLAN.
THERE IS A PROPOSED AREA OF VEGETATION REMOVAL ADJACENT TO THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE.
IT'S NOTED ON THE PLAN THAT CLEAR CUTTING OF THE VEGETATION HAS ALREADY TAKEN PLACE.
IT TOOK PLACE TWO YEARS AGO, ABOUT FOUR TIMES.
THE PROPOSED AREA THAT YOU SEE ON THIS PLAN HAS ALREADY BEEN CLEAR CUT.
IT WAS CLEAR CUT RIGHT IN THE AREA THAT HAS BEEN DELINEATED ON THEIR OWN PLAN AS PROTECTED WETLANDS.
THE WOODY PERENNIAL SHRUBS WERE CUT.
IT WAS CUT ALMOST THE ENTIRE WIDTH OF THE RESIDENTIAL STRUCTURE ALL ALONG THE LAKE SHORELINE.
WHEN YOU GET THE REPORT BACK FROM THE N-J-D-E-P, YOU WILL SEE THAT THAT IS A PROTECTED WETLAND AND THAT THE, THE WOODY PERENNIAL SHRUBS CANNOT BE REMOVED FROM THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
UM, WE KNOW THIS BECAUSE I THINK YOU ARE AWARE, MR. GILES, WE HAD THE DEP OUT ONCE BEFORE WITH THE PREVIOUS OWNER.
UH, WITH REGARDS TO THE JANUARY 16TH RES RESPONSE, UM, FROM QUESTIONS FROM THE TOWNSHIP, UH, THERE HAS PROPOSED IMPROVEMENTS DO NOT CONTRIBUTE TO THE DEGRADATION OF WATER QUALITY ON SITE.
THAT WAS WITH REGARDS TO STREAM OF WATER QUALITY TESTING.
MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT THERE HAS NOT BEEN ANY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY DONE ON THIS PROPERTY.
AND I, I'M, WE'RE JUST GONNA TAKE THE WORD FOR THAT.
UM, AT THIS POINT, THERE'S ALREADY BEEN A TRUDGE DUG TO THE LOWER POND.
THEY'VE ALREADY ALTERED THE SPILLWAY AND THE WATER LEVELS IN THE POND BY ABOUT 18 INCHES.
THEY'VE ALREADY CLEAR CUT THE PROTECTED WETLANDS AROUND THE LOWER POND.
AND THESE PONDS ARE AN IMPORTANT COMPONENT OF THE WATER QUALITY.
AND I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT OWNER HAS ANY SIGNIFICANT REGARD FOR THIS ISSUE.
THE OTHER QUESTION I HAVE IS REGARDING ROAD TRAFFIC.
WE'RE ESSENTIALLY, THEY'RE SAYING IT'S NOT GONNA BE ANY ISSUE WITH ROAD TRAFFIC, BUT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT HAVING LARGE TRUCKS ON THE PROPERTY, GOING OUT AND MAKING DELIVERIES.
IF ANY OF YOU EVER BEEN TO THIS SITE, YOU CAN SEE THAT FOSTER TOWN ROAD IS BADLY IN NEED OF A REPAVING.
UH, NOT ONLY IS THE ROAD IN NEED OF REPAVING, THE BRIDGE THAT CROSSES THE ROAD BETWEEN MY PROPERTY AND THE CEMETERY IS LITERALLY FALLING INTO THE STREAM.
THE WHOEVER IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THOSE ROADS, BE IT TA, COUNTY, TOWNSHIP, WHATEVER, HAVE COME OUT AND STUCK STAKES IN IT AND POURED ROCK AND CEMENT
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TO TRY AND RETAIN THE WALL THERE, BUT IT'S LITERALLY COLLAPSING IN THE WATER.MY QUESTION IS, WHO IS GOING TO TAKE CARE OF THESE ROADS WITH THE ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC? UM, WITH REGARDS TO BUFFERS, SECTION 5 0 6 OF THE, UH, MUNICIPAL ZONING I CAN READ THROUGH IT DEFINES BUFFER PRIMARY RESPONSE SCREENING, REDUCING NOISE PERCEPTION GLARE DIRECTED, REFLECTED BEYOND A LOT BUFFER, WHICH SHALL BE MEASURED X, Y, Z, UM, CONSOLIDATE THIS DOWN.
SECTION 5 0 6 REQUIRES A SIGHT LINE, LIGHT AND NOISE BUFFER BETWEEN COMMERCIAL INDUSTRIAL PARKING AND RESIDENTIAL DWELLINGS.
THE SUBMITTED PLAN DOES NOT INCLUDE A BUFFER DESIGNATION BETWEEN REEF STATION ROAD PARKING LOT AND MY PROPERTY.
AND I'LL EXPLAIN THIS TO YOU BECAUSE I WAS LIVING HERE WHEN THIS BUILDING WAS LAST IN USE.
WHEN CARS ARE PARKED IN ANY CONDITION OF DARKNESS ALONG THIS PART OF THE REEF STATION ROAD PARKING LOT, IT LIGHTS UP MY LIVING ROOM IN THE TWO BEDROOMS ON THIS SIDE OF MY HOUSE.
AND THERE IS NO PROPOSAL FOR LANDSCAPE BUFFERING IN HERE.
I WOULD RESPECTFULLY REQUEST THAT THAT BE CONSIDERED.
UM, OTHER THAN THAT, I DON'T REALLY HAVE ANY PROBLEMS WITH THE OTHER BUFFERING ISSUES.
SECTION 5 0 9 DASH ONE, STORM WATER CONTROL IN AREAS OUTSIDE THE JURISDICTION OF PINE 10 COMMISSIONS PURSUANT TO VIOLENCE COMMISSION MANAGE COMPREHENSIVE MANAGEMENT PLAN.
THIS IS NOT IN THE PINELANDS ZONE.
SO DEFINITIONS CITED IN THE ZONING AREA FOR AN ENVIRONMENTALLY CONSTRAINED AREA, FOLLOWING AREAS WHERE PHYSICAL ALTERATION OF THE LAND IS IN SOME WAY RESTRICTED EITHER REGULATION, EASEMENT, DEED OWNERSHIP, WETLANDS, FLOODPLAINS, THREATENED AND ENDANGERED SPECIES OR DESIGNATED HABITATS AMONG OTHER THINGS.
ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL AREA IS DEFINED BY MEDFORD TOWNSHIP AS AN AREA OR FEATURE WITH A SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL VALUE, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO STREAM CORRIDORS, NATURAL HERITAGE, PRIORITY SITES, HABITATS OF ENDANGERED OR THREATENED SPECIES, LARGE AREAS OF OPEN SPACE OR UPLAND FOREST, AND A NUMBER OF OTHER THINGS ON THIS PROPERTY.
MY WIFE AND I NOW FOR, UH, EXPERT PURPOSES, IF YOU WILL, MY WIFE HAS A DEGREE IN BIOLOGY WITH CONCENTRATION IN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE.
SHE HAS BEEN TEACHING ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE FOR 24 YEARS.
SHE HAS EXTENSIVE FIELD EXPERIENCE FROM ST.
SIMON'S ISLAND TO WOODS HALL OCEANOGRAPHIC INSTITUTE.
SHE'S BASICALLY AN, SHE'S AN ENVIRONMENTAL SCIENCE TEACHER, AND THAT IS WHAT HER STUDY IS.
UM, ON THE PROPERTY, WE HAVE IDENTIFIED SHORT EARED OWL AND RED CORN SNAKE AS ENDANGERED SPECIES.
THEY ARE ENDANGERED SPECIES, SAID SO AS, AS DIRECTED IN THE N-J-D-E-P ENDANGERED LIST.
ON THE THREATENED LIST, THERE ARE REDHEADED WOODPECKER AND WOOD TURTLE.
AS FAR AS THESE SPECIAL CONCERNED WILDLIFE SPECIES, THERE ARE NO LESS THAN A DOZEN ON THESE PROPERTIES.
MY POINT IS THIS, THIS IS WHAT I'VE GOTTEN TO FROM ALL THIS.
THIS I HAVEN'T SEEN IN THE SUBMISSION.
ANY SIGNIFICANT ENVIRONMENTAL IMPACT STUDY DONE REGARDING THE ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREAS OF THIS PROPERTY.
THE ENTIRE NORTH END OF THIS PROPERTY IS WETLANDS AND FLOOD MAP.
THIS IS EXTREMELY ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE.
IT'S PART OF THE OCCUS RIVER WATERSHED AND IT'S PART OF THE DELAWARE RIVER WATERSHED THAT IS AN ENVIRONMENTALLY MENTALLY CONSTRAINED, ENVIRONMENTALLY CRITICAL PER THE DEFINITION OF 5 0 9 1 B AND THE NEW JERSEY DEPARTMENT OF ENEMY OF ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION WILDLIFE SPECIES STATUS CLASSIFICATION SYSTEM.
IT IS HOME TO BOTH ENDANGERED AND THREATENED SPECIES.
IT'S IN A NEW JERSEY FLOOD ZONE.
IT IS A CRITICAL COMPONENT OF TWO WATERSHEDS.
TO THIS POINT, I DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE CURRENT PROPERTY OWNER HAS SHOWN REGARD FOR THE PERMITTING AND ZONING REGULATIONS N-J-D-E-P REGULATIONS.
WHAT INSURANCES DO WE HAVE THAT THEY WILL ABIDE BY THESE REGULATIONS GOING FORWARD? DO WE THINK IT IS A GOOD IDEA TO ENTRUST THIS ENVIRONMENTALLY SENSITIVE AREA, INCLUDING TWO RIVER
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WATERSHEDS TO THIS PROPERTY OWNER? THAT'S MY QUESTION.ARE THERE ANY OTHER MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC THAT WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK AT THIS TIME? THERE NONE.
UH, WE'LL CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
I GET A MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC COMMENT.
SO WOULD THE APPLICANT LIKE TO RESPOND TO ANY OF THOSE? ANY OR ALL OF THOSE, UH, UH, OBJECT WERE RAISED.
UM, BEING THAT WE'RE, WE'RE AWARE THAT THE SITE SITS WITHIN THE FLOOD PLAIN AREA, THE FLOOD VERIFICATION FROM THE DP, WE'RE NOT PROPOSING ANY NEW WORK.
WE DECIDE THAT AREA, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE AREA IDENTIFIED ONE PLAN AS OF RIGHT NOW FOR THE STAIRS.
AND THEN WHEN WE ACTUALLY HAVE A FINAL VERIFICATION FROM DEP WITH THE SUBMITTED WETLANDS LINE, YOU CAN SEE WHICH PERMITING WE ACTUALLY HAVE TO ADDRESS FOR THAT.
WELL, THE PVC PIPE THAT WAS MENTIONED EARLIER IS THE FIRE PUMP SUPPLY LINE THAT'S BEING RECONSTRUCTED FOR THE PROPERTY IS EXISTING.
IT HAS EXISTING PERMITS FOR IT'S BEING REPLACED IN KIND.
UM, WITH THAT, THE PROPOSED SITE IMPROVEMENTS THAT CONSIST OF THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT AREAS THAT WAS ADDED AND WE MANAGEMENT FOR IS OUTSIDE ANY THE FLOODPLAIN AREAS OUTSIDE OF WETLAND AREAS AND ANTICIPATED WETLAND BUFFER AREAS ON THE SITE.
ALL THE AREAS COLLECTED AND TREATED ON SITE FOR AN INFILTRATION BASIN.
ALL OF PROPOSED STORAGE WOULD BE INSIDE OF EXISTING BUILDINGS, UH, WITH IT.
SO THERE'D BE NO ADDITIONAL OUTSIDE STORAGE FOR CREATE RUNOFF.
ANY OF THE EXISTING BUILDINGS ARE NOT GONNA PROVIDE ANY ADDITIONAL RUNOFF.
AND TODAY, WHERE THE SITE, UM, INTO THE POND AREAS, UH, WE CAN SUPPLY WHAT THE WATER QUALITY STANDS FOR BOTH THESE PONDS AS THEY STAND TODAY AS FAR AS TESTING NEEDS GO, AS WELL AS PROVIDING SIGNAGE TO KEEP OUT OF THEM, UM, TO ALLOW 'EM TO FUNCTION AS THEY DO TODAY.
UM, WITH IT, IF THERE IS ADDITIONAL DEBRIS ON THE SITE, WE CAN, WE CAN INVESTIGATE THAT AND SEE IF WE CAN BE REMOVED SAFELY OR COULD WOULD REQUIRE DP PERMITS TO REMOVE AT KIND, IT SOUNDS LIKE THE CONTAINER THAT'S BETWEEN THE TWO, TWO POND AREAS THAT ACTUALLY REQUIRE A PERMIT IN THE STATE TO ACTUALLY BE REMOVED BECAUSE IT'S IN A WETLAND BUFFER AREA.
UM, THAT BEING SAID, ANY OTHER EXISTING IMPROVEMENTS ARE EITHER PREDATE THE WETLANDS AREAS ON THE SITE OR CONSTRUCTED IN ACCORDANCE WITH DEP STANDARDS AT THE TIME, WHICH WAS SIGNIFICANTLY CHANGED, UM, WITHIN THE PROPOSED FORM ORDER MANAGEMENT FOR THE SITE WOULD BE IN COMPLIANCE WITH DEP STANDARDS AND HAVING DESIGNED AS SUCH, UH, THE ORDER FILE, THE GROUND AND CHARGE STANDARDS, UM, AND TO PROVIDE SAFE, UH, FLOW ACCESS OFF THE SITE INTO THE ADJACENT WORKSHOP.
UM, AND THAT'S REALLY ALL I HAVE TO ADD WITH IT.
WE CAN LOOK AT PROVIDING SCREEN FOR HEADLIGHT PROTECTION ALONG THE, UH, THE TREE AREAS ALONG THE SUB PROVIDE HEADLIGHT PROTECTION, ALTHOUGH IT IS, IS A SIGNIFICANTLY LARGE BUFFER AREA, UH, BETWEEN THAT AND THE ADJACENT PROPERTY LINE.
UM, BUT WE CAN PROVIDE SCREENING FOR THAT.
WELL, YOU KNOW, I, I DON'T THINK THE, UM, WHAT I GOT FROM THE, UH, THE RESIDENT WAS, I'M NOT SURE THEY WERE ASKING FOR THAT ENTIRE CLEAR AREA.
I THINK THEY WERE ASKING FOR ALONG THE PARKING LOT, DIDN'T WE? UH, SO TO CLARIFY THAT WE CAN PROVIDE INLIGHT SCREEN SO IT BE LOWER GREEN SHRUBS, UM, TO PROVIDE ESSENTIALLY SCREENING TO THAT HIGH AND ACCESS AND CLOSE THE SITE.
UM, SO YOU WOULD ACCEPT THAT AS A CONDITION YES.
PLAN IN BETWEEN THE EXISTING STREET TREES AND WHATEVER STREET TREES ADDING BACK IN FROM.
SO, UM, WHAT ABOUT THE QUESTION ABOUT, IS IT MUNICIPAL WATER AND SEWER OR? WELL, IN STIC, THE SITE IS ON, WELL IN STIC AS OF RIGHT NOW, THAT'S WHY IT HAS A PRIVATE FIRE SUPPLY LINE.
WE'VE DRAWN OFF THE POND AREA.
UH, THE SEPTIC SYSTEM, THERE'S ONE FOR THE RESIDENCE.
UM, THE CARETAKER BUILDING THE LIGHT YELLOW ONE ADJACENT TO THAT BETWEEN YELLOW AREA AND THE BLUE AREA, ESSENTIALLY IN THE ESSENTIALLY PLAN NORTH OF THE YELLOW STRUCTURE.
AND THERE'S ALSO A SEPTIC SYSTEM ON THE SITE FOR THE PINK BUILDING BETWEEN THE PINK BUILDING AND THE BLUE AREA.
UH, THOSE AREAS ARE IDENTIFIED ON THE, ON THE PLANTS.
AND HAVE THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS HAVE BEEN, HAVE THEY BEEN TESTED RECENTLY TO THAT TESTING WOULD'VE BEEN DONE.
THE CHAIN OF HANDS OF THE PROPERTY, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT WAS DONE.
WOULD YOU BE WILLING TO PRODUCE THOSE TESTING RESULTS AND OR DO THAT TESTING AS A CONDITION? UH, WE CAN LOOK TO SEE IF THE SEPTIC SYSTEM WOULD CERTIFIED, UH, WHEN PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS.
WE CAN REVIEW THAT AND SEE IF WE RUN.
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YEAH, THAT, THAT TO ME SEEMS LIKE A VERY, VERY LARGE ISSUE.ISSUE BECAUSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS DO NOT LAST FOREVER BY ANY STRETCH OF THE IN IATION FORCES.
SO IF IT WASN'T TESTED AT THE TIME OF THE PROPERTIES CHANGING HANDS, I WOULD LIKE BET A LOT OF MONEY THAT BOTH OF THOSE SEPTIC SYSTEMS ARE NO LONGER FUNCTIONING.
AND WOULD YOU KNOW THEY WOULD NEED REPLACED? WE CAN.
I'M SURE THE APPLICANT WOULD LIKE TO PROPERLY MR. NO, MR. COULD WE, CAN WE MAKE THAT AS A CONDITION
HAVE YOU HAD ANY ISSUES WITH THE S SYSTEM THAT YOU'RE AWARE OF? UH, SO IT'S THE DATE, NO VIOLATIONS FROM BURLINGTON COUNTY HEALTH DEPARTMENT, ANYTHING LIKE THAT? NO.
BUT YOU'LL PROVIDE US WITH WHATEVER INFORMATION YOU PROPERTY? YES.
I MEAN, I GUESS MY, MY CONCERN IS IF, IF WHEN THE PROPERTY WAS TRANSFERRED FOR SOME REASON THAT WAS NOT TESTED, UH, AND, AND I THINK YOU CAN TRANSFER A PROPERTY WITHOUT A TESTED DON'T, IT'S USUALLY TEST WHEN THERE'S A CHANGE OF USE.
SO DEPENDS WHAT THE USE WAS PRIOR TO THE TRANSFER.
AND, AND SPEAKING OF SOMEONE WITHOUT ACCEPTIVE SYSTEM, YOU DON'T KNOW IT'S GOT A PROBLEM? IT'S PROBLEM.
YOU KNOW, IT'S, UH, IT'S EVERYBODY'S BEST INTEREST THAT THIS BE, UH, ADDRESSED.
UH, WHETHER THERE WAS OR WASN'T A SEPTIC TEST THAT THE TRANSFER, UH, ISN'T AS, UH, SIGNIFICANT, UH, TO ME, UH, IT SIGNIFICANT.
DO WHATEVER TESTS OR NOT ARE NECESSARY, WORK WITH YOUR ENGINEER, UH, AND, UH, THE STAFF, UH, REGULARLY AND IT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED.
UM, YOU SAID THE CONTAINER BETWEEN THE TWO POTS, YOU, IT, IT, IT WAS, IT WAS PUT THERE WITHOUT A PERMIT, BUT YOU NEED A PERMIT TO REMOVE IT.
IS THAT, HOW TO REMOVE DEBRIS FROM A, A WATERCOURSE OR WEAPON BUFFER AREA THAT'S IN THIS, THIS FASHION? UM, NEEDS, NEEDS A PERMIT STATE.
I DON'T BELIEVE YOU HAVE PLACE THE, THE STRUCTURE THERE.
IT MAY HAVE BEEN THERE BEFOREHAND.
YEAH, BUT WITH IT, YOU DO NEED A PERMIT.
IT'S A GENERAL PERMIT YOU ISSUE AND YOU'RE WILLING TO, AND YOU'RE WILLING TO GET THAT VER AND REMOVED.
YEAH, WE CAN CHASE IT DOWN ONCE WE HAVE THE ED, UH, VERSION OF WHERE THE WEAPON STAND ON SITE AND WE CAN FOR, FOR ALMOST TWO YEARS.
CAN I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT THAT? YEP, OF COURSE.
UM, HAS TO YOUR KNOWLEDGE, HAS THE PPLICANT MADE ANY CHANGES TO THE INTERCONNECTION BETWEEN THE TWO PONDS? FROM THE TIME WE'VE BEEN ON SITE, WE HAVE NOT SEEN ANY CHANGE OUT THERE OF, OF THE OUTLET STRUCTURES OF ANY OF THE OTHER THINGS ON SITE.
UM, LOOKING AT IT THERE, WHAT IS LABELED AS THE CONCRETE WALL WOULD FUNCTION AS AN OUTLET CONTROL STRUCTURE, ALTHOUGH IT LOOKED THAT THERE'S SEVERE EROSION AROUND IT RIGHT NOW.
SO IT WOULDN'T FUNCTION AS A LEVEL CONTROLLED DEVICE, REALLY JUST AN IMPEDED TO THE EXISTING PUMP.
UM, BUT WE DON'T BELIEVE THE APPLICANT DID THAT.
IT LOOKS LIKE IT NATURAL EROSION THAT OCCURRED JUST DUE TO THE, I BELIEVE WE INCLUDED THAT OF THE SITE.
I BELIEVE THAT I, OBJECTION'S BEEN THERE FOR A LONG TIME BASED ON THE CONSTRUCTION TYPE OF CONCRETE MATERIAL.
IT'S LARGE PEDALS AND IT'S CORRUGATED METAL PIPE.
IT'S BID IN SERVICE FOR SOME TIME.
UM, SO THE QUESTION ABOUT THE ROAD AND THE BRIDGE, THE BRIDGE WOULD BE GROVE COUNTY RESPONSIBILITIES.
SO WHATEVER REPAIRS OR REPLACEMENT HAS TO DONE BE ALSO THE COUNTY, THE ROAD IS A TOWNSHIP, UH, ROAD.
UH, IT WILL BE PAVED AT ONE POINT AT SOME POINT AND PROBABLY AFTER THE FLYING W WAS DEVELOPED THERE WILL BE A LOT OF TRAFFIC GOING TEAR UP.
SO WE'RE KIND OF WAITING FOR THAT POINT IN TIME.
THAT BEING SAID, WITH OUR, OUR ROUGH TRAFFIC ANALYSIS FOR LOOKING AT A MAXIMUM 10 TRIPS PER DAY, EVEN IN THE P UM, SO WE DON'T SEE AS A IMPACT THE ROADWAY DOES IN THE, BECAUSE ONE SOURCE TO TAKE THE TRAFFIC LOAD BACK.
MR. TAYLOR, IS THERE A REPORT NEEDED TO ADDRESS THE POTENTIAL RUNOFF ISSUES COMING DOWN THAT HILL? WELL, IS THAT, OR IS THAT, OR IS THAT IN, INTO THE POND OR INTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY? WHICH IS WHICH I, I'LL, I'LL DEFER TO MR NO ON THAT ISSUE.
ONE QUESTION I WAS GONNA ASK WAS, WE HAD
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IDENTIFIED THROUGH SOME OF OUR TECHNICAL DUTIES THAT WE HAD, THAT WE HAD IDENTIFIED, YOU KNOW, THERE WAS SOME CLEARING THAT HAD BEEN DONE ON THE SITE, A LITTLE BIT OF PERHAPS SMALL TREE REMOVAL.UM, AND THEN YOU HAD GONE OUT AND DONE SOME PROPERTY CLEANUP OUT THERE.
IN LOOKING AT THIS AREA, IT LOOKS LIKE SOME OF THOSE AREAS THAT ARE AROUND THE POND AND EVEN SORT OF TOWARD THE TOP OF WHERE THE TWO PONDS ARE MAY HAVE BEEN CLEARER MODE, A LITTLE BIT OF SOME OF THAT SUCCESSIONAL VEGETATION.
SO MY, SO MY QUESTION IS THIS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY YOU HAVE BUILDINGS AND OTHER IMPROVEMENTS WITHIN YOUR RIGHT AREA AND ZONE, BUT FOR SOME OF THOSE MORE REMOTE AREAS BETWEEN THE TWO, CAN THOSE AREAS BE LEFT IN THE NOMO CONDITION TO REVERT TO MEADOW AND SUCCESSIONAL FORESTS, PARTICULARLY BETWEEN, IF YOU LOOK, MAYBE YOU CAN POINT BETWEEN THE TWO PONDS WHERE THE VEGETATION IS THE WETLAND AND THE, AND THE SMALLER POND.
THIS AREA RIGHT IN, RIGHT IN THERE BETWEEN THE TWO.
THIS, IF SOME OF THAT AREA CAN BE LEFT, WE VEGETATE NATURALLY THAT INCREASED, UH, VEGETATIVE MASS AS PART OF A REPAIRING CORRIDOR WILL CAN REDUCE SOME RUNOFF.
IT'LL SHAVE, IT WILL REDUCE THE WATER TEMPERATURE, VEGETABLE UPTAKE WILL, UH, REDUCE NITROGEN AND OTHER RUNOFF INTO THE PONDS.
CAN A NATURAL REVEGETATION AREA BE ESTABLISHED WITH THAT NEGATIVELY IMPACTING USABLE AREA AROUND THE HOUSE? SO WITH THAT, I, I PROPOSE USING THE WETLAND BUFFER LINE SET EVENTUALLY BY THE STATE TO DETERMINE THE BUFFER HERE.
ZERO, 50 OR 50 FEET, UH, WE'RE ANTICIPATING BE 50 FEET AT THIS POINT FOR INTERMEDIATE RESOURCE OF, OF WETLANDS.
SO WOULD THAT BE STATED MARKED AS A BACK THAT AREA REQUIRE ANY PERMITS ANYWHERE WITH THE STATE, UH, TO UTILIZE ANYTHING TO WITHIN IT, UH, IN THE FUTURE.
UM, THE STATES I WOULDN'T WANNA FENCE IT.
SO YOU CAN STILL HAVE HABITAT MOVE BACK AND FORTH.
AND MR. CHAIR ALONG GOES POINTS.
UM, THE, THE, UM, THE COMMENT WAS THERE WAS, UH, NEW CLEAR CUTTING IN BETWEEN THE LEG AND THE RESIDENCE.
HAVE WE SEEN, DO WE HAVE PHOTOGRAPHS OF THAT AREA OR HAS ANYONE FROM THE TOWNSHIP INSPECTED THAT AREA THAT WOULD BE FAIRLY SERIOUS IF, IF THAT IN FACT WAS THE CASE? UM, YEAH, WE, WE HAVE NOT IDENTIFIED ANY OF THAT.
UH, ARE ARE YOU FAMILIAR MR. DOCKERY WITH ANY OF THE AREAS? I WAS GONNA SAY WE'VE WALKED THE SITE REPETITIVELY SINCE WE'VE BEEN ENGAGED IN THIS PROJECT FOR GOING ON ABOUT TWO YEARS NOW.
UM, WITH IT, D P'S COME OUT TO VERIFY THE FLOOD PLAIN LINE AND WHAT BE SUBMITTED FOR OUR APPLICATION FOR THAT ONE, THEY DIDN'T IDENTIFY ANY CLEARING WITHIN THAT TIMEFRAME OF THE AREA.
UM, SO I DON'T KNOW IF IT PREDATED THE SITE OR, OR WHAT ACTUALLY IS AT THIS POINT OR THERE WAS AN AREA THAT OF GRASS THAT COULD CONTINUE TO MOW.
UM, UNFORTUNATELY LAWN AREAS IS ALLOWED TO MAINTAINED AS IT STANDS TODAY.
NOT NECESSARILY CONSTRUCTED ON THE BUFFER AREA, BUT CAN BE MOW.
UM, MOST FOR THIS AREA IT WAS LODGE AND WE, WE DID HAVE REMOVE AS PART OF THE SITE CLEAR AND EFFORTS, UH, MAKE SURE THERE'S NO FIRE ISSUES IN WITH THE SITE GOING FORWARD.
MR. CLEAR AS, AS PART OF ALL THE OTHER THINGS THAT WE'RE DOING HERE, ARE WE ALLOWED TO TAKE A LOOK AT THAT WHILE WE'RE, YOU KNOW, WE GO AFTER THE SITE? UH, I WILL SAY IF THERE WAS CLEARING WITH IT WHEN DEP GETS THROUGH THE WETLAND PORTION OF BILL IDENTIFIED AND IT'LL EITHER BE A PERMIT THAT WE'LL HAVE TO HAVE ADDRESSED AT THAT POINT OR IT BE A VIOLATION ISSUE AT THAT POINT WITH QUESTION LETTERS ISSUED.
AND MAYBE WHAT WE CAN DO IN SORT OF IN CONJUNCTION WITH THAT, MR. DOCKERY IS MR. MILL AND I CAN LOOK AT SOME OF THE HISTORIC AREAS, COORDINATE WITH THE APPLICANT AND THEN, UM, LOOK FOR SOME, UM, INDEPENDENT OF DEP.
IF THEY COME BACK THEN WE'RE COVERED, BUT TAKE A LOOK AT THAT AND THEN, UM, EVALUATE SOME WAYS TO RESTORE THAT TO THE INTENT OF WHAT ORIGINALLY EXISTED.
IF IN FACT IT WAS SOME, SOME CLEAR, YEAH, I MEAN AS MUCH AS I LOVE THE DP, UM, I DON'T NECESSARILY JUST WANNA SAY, OH THAT'S DPS ISSUE, YOU KNOW, WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT.
UM, I THINK WE SHOULD WORRY ABOUT IT.
IF I, I'D LIKE TO MAKE A SUGGESTION REGARDING THAT.
I MEAN I THINK THE MEETING OPENED UP WITH SOMEONE OPENING THE KIMONO AND KIND OF ADMITTING TO NOT FOLLOWING TOWNSHIP REGULATIONS.
UM, THE NEIGHBOR KIND OF SUGGESTING YOU'RE NOT FOLLOWING TOWNSHIP REGULATIONS, ARE YOU FOLLOWING OTHERS? ADMITTING, YOU KNOW, THIS CREATED A LOT OF EXTRA WORK FOR OTHER PEOPLE MAYBE CONSIDERING AS
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GOODWILL FOR GOOD NEIGHBORS DOING A LITTLE EXTRA AND DOING SOME PLANTINGS AROUND THE HOUSE.IT'S, IT IS A CARETAKER'S HOUSE.
IT'S NOT CLEAR TO HAVE CHILDREN PLAY OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT.
I'M JUST THROWING THAT OUT THERE AS A SUGGESTION.
AND, AND, UH, QUESTIONS WERE ASKED ABOUT ENVIRONMENT IS OR ISN'T ENVIRONMENTAL.
SO THE APPLICANT IDENTIFI PHASE ONE PROPERTY CHANGED HANDS.
UH, WE DID SUBMIT TO DEP AS PART OF THE FLOOD VERIFICATION APPLICATION AND THE WEAPONS APPLICATION.
WE PREPARED INTRODUCTORY ENVIRONMENTAL STUDIES JUST SUMMARIZING THE PROPERTY SUPPLIES AS WELL.
IF IT WASN'T USED, WE CAN SUPPLY THAT INFORMATION AS WELL.
WHICH OUTLINE ESSENTIALLY ALL THAT, THE HABITAT THAT AS WELL AS WHAT MR. DO WE HAVE THAT REPORT? NO, WE HAD ASKED FOR THAT AND THE APPLICANT AGREED TO PROVIDE THAT TO THE BOARD PROFESSIONALS AND MR. NO'S OFFICE WILL, WILL REVIEW.
WE'LL TAKE UM, YOU DID NOT IDENTIFY, IDENTIFY ANY? UH, THERE WAS NONE IN THE PREPARING BUT BUFFER THAT WAS SET WAS EITHER 50 OR ZERO ON THE SITE.
UM, SO SOME OF THE PONDS WERE IDENTIFIED AS MANMADE.
THAT'S WHY THE REPAIR, YOU MENTIONED THAT THE, THE CONCRETE WALL IS REALLY A STONEWAY I GUESS.
IT'S IDENTIFIES A CONCRETE WALL.
'CAUSE SURVEYORS HAVE NO MENTAL NO, I UNDERSTAND SIR.
SO THAT YOU SAID THERE WAS EROSION AROUND THAT STRUCTURE.
UH, ONE OF THE PHOTOGRAPHS YOU CAN SEE IT DOES APPEAR THAT THE, UM, THAT FLOATERS HAVE SURPASSED THAT, THAT FLOOD GATE ESSENTIALLY BEFORE THE SITE.
UM, IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE IT HAS ANY IMPACT ON THE SITE RIGHT NOW, BUT IT'S NOT RETAINING WATER AT THAT ELEVATION.
IT BYPASS, IT COULD BE POND IS LOWER TODAY WAS FIVE YEARS AGO, 10 YEARS AGO.
SO YOU THINK THERE'S BEEN SOME, UH, MAINTENANCE OR PREPAREDNESS FIRE? IT'S POSSIBLE.
UM, DE PEOPLE, UH, DON'T NECESSARILY TO RESTORE IT 'CAUSE IT IS IN A PROTECTED AREA.
YOU NEED PERMITS FOR THAT AS WELL.
PLUS THEY DON'T NECESSARILY WANT ALTER THE HYDRAULIC STANDS TODAY BECAUSE PROVIDE FLOODING CONDITIONS DOWNSTREAM.
SO KIND OF IN THAT THEY, IT LEAVES AS IT DOES TODAY OR YOU APPLY FOR AS WELL TO RESTORE? UM, BUT AT THAT'S POINT I BELIEVE PRE OKAY.
WELL I CAN TAKE A LOOK AT THAT.
SEE IF THERE'S ANY REMEDIATION NECESSARY THAT WON'T NEGATIVELY IMPACT ANYTHING ELSE.
AND I'M SURE THE STRUCTURE IS PART OF THE PACKAGE THAT WAS, SO THEY DO THAT BY FLOOD CONTROL DEVICE.
THEY'LL BE ON THE REPORT OF WHAT WE HAVE TO APPLY FOR FOR PERFORMANCE.
AS WE MOVE FORWARD, THE PROJECT FOR THE STATE ARE, ARE YOU, DOES HE DETAILS IN YOUR PLAN SET FOR OUTLET STRUCTURE, WALL DETAIL? IS THAT THAT DEVICE? NO, THE OUTLET STRUCTURE WALL DETAIL IS ONLY FOR THE PROPOSED INFILTRATION BASIN THAT IT'S REALLY JUST PICK IT UP AND SPILL IT BACK ON SITE.
SO WE'RE RETAINING AND INFILTRATING WHAT WE CAN.
UM, SOLAR MAKE THE PARKING AREA THAT WAS ADDED IN, UM, WITHOUT APPROVALS COMPLIANT THE CURRENT REGULATIONS.
SO THAT'LL SPILL ON THE SITE AND FOR THE OVERFLOW THAT THE MAJORITY OF THIS ONE ACTUALLY GOES BACK.
SO THERE'S, THERE'S NO REHAB PROPOSED TO THE CONCRETE WALL
AND AND TO BE CLEAR, NONE OF THE PARKING LOTS OR BUILDINGS OR ANYTHING ELSE IS DRAINING INTO THAT? UH, THE, AS THE DRAINAGE ON THE SITE, UM, STANDS AS DOES TODAY.
SO IF IT DRAINED TO THEIR BEFOREHAND, IT STILL DRAIN THEIR MOUTH.
MOST OF THE SURFACE DRAINS WAS A COMMENT ON ENGINEER DURING LOCATIONS ARE, UH, BUT WE'RE NOT ALTERING THE PATH AS IT STANDS TODAY.
THE ONLY ONE WE'RE COLLECTING NOW WOULD BE THE ADDITIONAL PAVEMENT SITE.
THAT'S WHAT'S GOING SO THAT, THAT USEFUL.
SO THAT, AND AS THE STATE IDENTIFIES THOSE, IT'S TRAFFIC OUS AREAS, THAT'S WHAT AS THE
WE'RE GONNA DO THAT ONE TIME OR ON A RECURRING BASIS BEING THAT IT'S NOT A, IT'S JUST REQUIREMENT TO SHOW THAT THE PONDS ARE NOT CONTAMINATED THIS TIME BE A ONE TIME BASIS FOR BEING UTILIZED REQUIREMENT BEING TESTED ON A MONTHLY BASIS FOR A YEARLY BASIS.
BUT BEING THAT WE'RE NOT ACTIVELY MINING THEM OR DISCHARGING ANYTHING DIRECTLY INTO THEM, I WOULD RECOMMEND A ONE TIME USE OF LESS PROBLEM IS, IS IDENTIFIED AT THAT POINT.
SO, SO, SO DO WE KNOW IF THE EXISTING IS DRAINING INTO THEM OR NOT? UH, SURROUNDING
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AREA DOES DRAIN INTO THESE PONDS 'CAUSE THEY ARE THE SUM AREA OF THE SITE.UM, BUT WHAT WE'RE DOING, WE'RE NOT EXACERBATING THAT AT THIS POINT.
WE'RE ACTUALLY REDUCING FLOW FROM THE SITE, FROM THE PARKING AREA INTO THE STORM BASIN OF THE LEFT.
THAT AREA'S BEING REMOVED FROM THE EQUATION AT THIS POINT, EXCEPT FOR OUR STORM EVENTS.
AND WERE TREES LITTLE STUCK ON WALL.
THE WATER IS ALLOWED TOWELL, THE DIRECT ROOF AND WATER THAT IT ALREADY HAS.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS IF THERE WERE DRAINS THAT DRAINED INTO ANY OF THOSE PONDS THAT WERE EXISTING THERE? NOT DIRECTLY.
EVERYTHING IS ACTUALLY DISCONNECTED.
SO THE, THE ROOF DRAINS DO DUMP ON THE GROUND AS A CHANCE TO GO TO THE GRASS BEFORE BASIN INSIDE AND, AND NOTHING ON THE PAVED SIDE THAT DRAINS INTO THOSE PONDS.
THAT, THAT ALL INFILTRATES BACK INTO PROPOSED BASIN.
AND THERE WAS A QUESTION OR REQUEST FROM BOARD MEMBER ABOUT POTENTIALLY PLANTING A FEW TREES AROUND THE HOUSE.
SO AROUND THE HOUSE THERE WAS A, UH, A GARDEN PLANTED FOR THE CARETAKER AND THEY WERE THERE.
SO THERE ARE ADDITIONAL TREES THAT WERE PLANTED.
UH, THEY'RE IDENTIFIED ON THE PLAN, SEE FENCING ADDED.
SO EACH ONE OF THOSE IS TREES, PLANTS, AND SUPPLEMENTS.
BUT ADDITIONAL
UH, BECAUSE IT'S SO IN THAT AREA BETWEEN THE RESIDENCE AND THE LAKE WHERE THERE MAY HAVE BEEN SOME LAND CLEANER, YOU'LL ATE THAT? YES.
MR. TERRY, YOU HAVE ANY MORE QUESTIONS? UH, NO SIR.
SO WHAT'S NEXT? WE TALKED ABOUT A LOT OF CONDITIONS.
YOU WANNA GO OVER THOSE CONDITIONS? THE ATTORNEY, SOMEONE? YEAH.
VINCE, DID YOU HAVE ANYTHING ELSE? NO, I JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, UH, I, I THINK WITH PROPERTIES LIKE THIS, UH, I HAVE A A SEEM TO HAVE HAD A BUNCH OF THEM RECENTLY, ESPECIALLY INDUSTRIAL TYPE SITES, WAREHOUSE SITES.
UH, THERE ARE SO MANY, SO MANY ISSUES.
THERE ARE SO MANY UNIQUE FEATURES THAT IT'S INEVITABLE THAT WE WIND UP WITH A LIST OF, UH, CONDITIONS.
UH, YOU ALL UNDERSTAND THAT THE THE APPLICATION IS NOT FULLY APPROVED UNTIL ALL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE MET.
UH, I KNOW THERE'S A LOT OF THEM AND SOMETIMES THAT, UH, BECOMES A BIT, UH, OVERWHELMING.
UH, BUT IN THIS CASE, UH, I THINK ONCE WE GET THE WETLANDS DELINEATION AND WE GET, UH, UH, MORE INFORMATION ON THESE VARIOUS QUESTIONS THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED, I THINK WE'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO START CHECKING OFF THE CONDITIONS.
YOUR PROFESSIONALS ARE OBVIOUSLY GONNA BE WATCHING EVERYTHING WE DO AS WELL.
THEY SHOULD, UH, REVIEW THE, UH, THEIR, UH, LETTERS WERE, AS FAR, AS FAR AS I THOUGHT WAS PRETTY CLEAN.
WE AGREED TO ALMOST EVERYTHING.
THE TRANSCRIPT CAN IGNORE MY GOD BLESS YOU.
IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE I STOPPED, I WISHED SOME RELIGIOUS GREETINGS.
UM, THE, UH, UH, THE, UH, AS I SAY, THE RESOLUTION WILL, UH, PREPARED BY, UH, MR. ELLIS WILL BE, UH, COVER ALL THOSE CONDITIONS AND UNTIL WE MEET THEM ALL, THERE'S, UH, THERE'S NO APPROVAL.
I STILL THINK, AS I SAID AT THE BEGINNING, I KNOW THERE HAVE BEEN ISSUES WITH THIS PROPERTY, BUT THIS, THIS PLAN IS A SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER USE OF THE PROPERTY.
IT'S BETTER FOR THE TOWNSHIP, IT'S BETTER FOR THE APPLICANT.
SO IT'S A WIN-WIN AS FAR AS I'M CONCERNED IN TERMS OF, UH, ARTICULATING THE, UH, UH, SPECIFIC CONDITIONS.
I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANTED TO DO THAT OR YOU WANTED TO PREPARE RESOLUTION.
AND WE WELL, WE'RE, WE'RE GONNA DO BOTH ACTUALLY.
WE'RE GONNA GO THROUGH 'EM TONIGHT AND I THINK EVERYBODY'S GONNA HAVE A HAND TO MAKE SURE THAT EVERYTHING'S COVERED.
IT'LL ALL BE RECORDED ON AUDIO.
I'LL PUT A DRAFT RESOLUTION TOGETHER.
YOU'LL HAVE A CHANCE TO LOOK AT IT YOURSELF AND, UH, BEFORE IT'S APPROVED AND THEN WE'LL MOVE ON.
SO WHAT'S THE NEXT STEP? WELL, AT THIS POINT, I'M NOT SURE IF THE BOARD HAS ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS.
UM, YOU KNOW, IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED, IT COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION TO APPROVE SUBJECT TO THE CONDITIONS THAT WE CAN DISCUSS.
ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS LIKE MR. CIZIK HAS A COMMENT BEFORE, AFTER WE VOTE.
WELL, I THINK WE SHOULD LAY THE CONDITIONS OUT FIRST.
THEY WOULD BE THE SUBJECT OF THE MOTION.
I'M, I JUST ASK A GENERAL TECHNICAL
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QUESTION ABOUT THE CONDITIONS.IS THERE ANY FINES OR PENALTIES IMPOSED IF THESE AREN'T MET AT A CERTAIN TIME? NO.
NO, WE DON'T, WE DON'T, WE WON'T GET INTO THAT.
IT, THE, THE, THE, THE THRUST OF IT IS, IS, IS COUNSEL FOR THE APPLICANT SAYING IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL NOT HAVE THE APPROVAL THAT THEY'RE SEEKING UNTIL THEY FULFILL THE CONDITIONS OF THE APPROVAL.
THE USE OF THE SITE IS NOT PERMITTED.
SO THEY, THEY WOULD BE, YOU KNOW, IN, IN THAT MODE.
UM, WE WOULDN'T BE GETTING INTO FINES AND THAT SORT OF A THING.
WHAT WE'RE TRYING TO DO IS GET THE, THE PROPERTY INTO COMPLIANCE.
AND ONE WAY TO DO THAT IS TO REVIEW THE APPLICATION THAT WAS SUBMITTED AND ALSO IF IT'S APPROVED TO DO IT ON CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
AND, UH, FROM THERE IT'S THE, THE BURDENS ON THE APPLICANT TO MAKE SURE ALL THOSE CONDITIONS ARE SATISFYING.
THE TOWNSHIP, OF COURSE, IS GONNA KEEP A CLOSE EYE ON IT AND, UH, ENSURE THAT THOSE CONDITIONS ARE SATISFYING.
BUT THAT'S BASICALLY HOW IT GOES.
DID I GET THAT WRONG BY THE WAY? NO, I THAT RIGHT.
THE ONLY THING THAT'S ODD IS A LOT OF THESE BUILDINGS AND THE STORAGE AREAS ARE ALREADY CONSTRUCTED AND ALREADY BEING UTILIZED BY THE APPLICANT.
KNOWING WHAT WE WOULDN'T WANT TO SEE IS THEM DRAG THEIR FEET FOR FIVE YEARS, RIGHT.
UH, BY, THEY CONTINUE TO USE IT.
SO IT, IT MAY MAKE SOME SENSE TO PUT SOME KIND OF TIME ON THERE, BUT WITH THE UNDERSTANDING THEY HAVE DEP APPROVAL.
SO THIS ISN'T SOMETHING THAT'S GONNA GET CLEANED UP IN THREE MONTHS BY ANY CHANCE.
SO IT, IT MAY MAKE SENSE TO PUT SOME NUMBER IN THERE THAT IF THE APPLICANT HASN'T PULLING THAT RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE THAT EITHER WRITE A LETTER TO THE BOARD WITH A STATUS UPDATE, WE GIVE THEM SIX MONTHS OR NINE MONTHS.
OR TH THAT'S THE ONLY PROBLEM I HAVE WITH PUTTING SPECIFIC, UH, TIME LIMITS IS THAT THEIR OUTSIDE AGENCIES, A AS YOU, AS YOU WELL KNOW, HAVE NO, UH, CONTROL OVER, UH, UH, WE, UH, OFTEN USE THE TERM, UH, WITH, UH, ACT REASONABLY AND, UH, IN GOOD FAITH.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT WE COME UP WITH SPECIFIC DATES, UH, AS YOU SAID, WE ARE GONNA NEED, EVEN IF YOU DO THAT, WE'RE GONNA NEED FLEXIBILITY BECAUSE HOW ABOUT SIX MONTHS AFTER DE HER POSITION, I THINK YOU'LL DILIGENTLY PURSUE THAT.
NO, WE SHOULD HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO DILIGENCE PURSUE THAT.
I WOULD PUT THAT IN THERE NO MATTER WHAT.
BUT, UH, UH, WE AGREE TO THAT, UH, TO WHAT, UH, CHRIS JUST SAID.
AND I THINK THAT'S IMPORTANT TO NOTE.
'CAUSE AS YOU INDICATED, THIS SITE STARTED WITH A VIOLATION AND IMPROVEMENTS, NOT WITHOUT PERMITS.
I THINK THAT WAS, IS THAT TWO YEARS AGO NOW? OR 18 MONTHS THAT WE WENT THROUGH TRCS AND TRYING TO GET TO THIS POINT TODAY.
SO I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THAT, UM, IT'S BEEN A WHILE.
I IT'S A, I THINK IT'S PROBABLY 2, 2 2 YEARS ALSO KNOWN AS TWO YEARS.
JUST TO BE FAIR TO, TO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY OWNERS, UM, YOU KNOW, AND, AND TO YOURSELVES THAT IF, IF IT TAKES TIME FOR OTHER ENTITIES TO GIVE YOU APPROVALS, YOU KNOW, THAT THAT SHOULD BE FACTORED.
BUT BEYOND THAT, YOU KNOW, YOU'VE, YOU UNDERSTAND THE SCOPE OF WORK AND, AND THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED IN A TIMELY FASHION.
I I DON'T SEE WHY COULDN'T DO EVERYTHING WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF GETTING THE DP.
NO, I MEAN, COULDN CAN YOU START WITH THE LANDSCAPING AND PAINTING F SIDE WORK WITHOUT YOUR DEP APPROVAL? YES.
SO NON DEP APPROVAL ITEMS COULD FALL WITHIN A SIX MONTH PERIOD FROM TODAY OR WHEN THE APPLICATION'S APPROVED.
THE STUFF WE CAN DO WITHOUT ANY OTHER, I DON'T WANT YOU SAID THE DEP UH, NON DEED NON DEP, RIGHT? NO, BUT, UH, THERE MAY BE SOME COUNTY APPROVAL THAT'S HELD UP.
BUT TO THE EXTENT THAT THERE'S WORK THAT CAN BE DONE, UH, WITHIN THE NEAR, UH, FUTURE, UH, THAT WE'RE NOT BURDENED BY ANY FURTHER OUTSIDE AGENCIES REQUIREMENTS, UH, UH, WE SHOULD, UH, WE SHOULD BE PROCEEDING, UM, EXPEDITIOUSLY.
SO ALL OF THOSE IMPROVEMENTS IMPOSED BY THE BOARD THAT ARE NOT SUBJECT OF AN OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVAL WILL BE COMPLETED WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF I SENT THE ADOPTION OF THE SITE BONDING ADOPTION.
THAT RECORD REFLECT THAT MR. TAYLOR? YES.
I I THINK, I THINK WE HAVE SOME CONCERNS AND, AND I WANT TO ADDRESS COUNSEL HERE.
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WITH, IT SEEMS LIKE THERE'S A LOT OF CONCERN FROM THIS SIDE, HEARING BOTH SIDES OF THIS.NOW SINCE WE'RE WAITING ON A DEP SITUATION, DO WE HAVE TO VOTE FOR APPROVAL THIS EVENING? CAN WE HAVE THE NEXT MONTH TO GO THROUGH THIS AND ALL OF THAT AND BRING THIS BACK AGAIN? UM, WHERE, WHERE DOES THAT STAND? AND, AND I DON'T KNOW, THAT'S WHY I'M ASKING YOU.
UM, WHERE DOES THAT STAND? WELL, I MEAN, YOU, YOU COULD DO THAT.
UH, I'M NOT SURE WHERE WE GET IN A MONTH.
'CAUSE I THINK WE'RE PRETTY MUCH, I THINK WE PRETTY MUCH KNOW WHERE THINGS STAND RIGHT NOW.
UM, I THINK A MONTH FROM NOW, IT'S PROBABLY NOT GONNA MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
AND I THINK TO THE EXTENT THAT WHATEVER CAN BE APPROVED WITH CONDITIONS THAT REQUIRE ACTION CAN BE DONE NOW, IT PROBABLY SHOULD BE DONE.
UM, I SINCERELY DOUBT THE APPLICANT'S GONNA HEAR FROM DEP IN THE NEXT MONTH.
UM, SO THAT, UM, I THINK WE SHOULD, I, I THINK WHAT, WHAT WAS PROPOSED MAKES SENSE.
GET TO WORK NOW QUICKLY ON EVERYTHING THAT'S NOT THE SUBJECT OF ANY OUTSIDE AGENCY APPROVAL, DEP OR WHOEVER.
AND THEN EVERYTHING ELSE THAT IS THE SUBJECT OF THOSE APPROVALS HAS TO BE DONE WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF THE RECEIPT OF THOSE APPROVALS.
OR I THINK AS THE APPLICANT'S ENGINEER MENTIONED, UM, WITHIN A TOTAL TIME PERIOD OF SIX MONTHS FROM THE APPROVAL OF THE SITE BONDING.
IF THAT, DOES THAT ANSWER YOUR QUESTION? THAT'S EXACTLY, YES, THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS LOOKING.
YOU'LL HAVE A MONTH TO READ TO THINK ABOUT IT ANYWAY.
IT, THE RESOLUTION WILL BE ON NEXT MONTH.
WE HAVE TO DO OUR WRITTEN RESOLUTION.
OTHER QUESTIONS OR CONCERNS? HEARING NONE.
SHOULD WE GO OVER THE CONDITIONS? I COUNT 20 OF THEM.
WELL, YOU'RE, YOU PROBABLY HAVE A LONGER LIST THAN I HAVE THEN.
I'VE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP UP WITH THESE AS WE'RE GOING THROUGH.
DO YOU HAVE A LIST? DO YOU WANT TO RUN THROUGH THEM? I DO HAVE LIST.
SO HERE'S THE ONES THAT I ON, UM, IN NO PARTICULAR WORK, UM, FACING THE EXISTING CHAIN FENCE BLACK AND ANY FUTURE, UH, FENCE REPLACEMENTS WOULD BE BLACK VINYL, UM, CHAIN FENCE, UH, CHECKING ABOUT THE, THE LIGHTING ON THE APPLICANT'S PROPERTY BEING PAID FOR BY THE TOWNSHIP.
UM, MAKING SURE THAT THE LIGHTING CONFORM TO, UH, TOWNSHIP'S STANDARDS SUBJECT TO THE RESULT OF THE NIGHTLIGHT TEST.
UH, NO OUTSIDE STORAGE OF MATERIALS, NO TRAILERS, NO SEA BOXES, NO NOTHING.
UM, ANY FUTURE SIDING THAT IS INSTALLED WOULD CONFORM THE TOWNSHIP OF WARM NEUTRAL EARTH TIMES.
UH, AND WATER TESTING WILL BE CONDUCTED, UH, WHERE THERE ARE GAPS IN THE STREET TREES, UM, TREES WILL BE PLANTED AS APPROVED BY, UH, IN CONSULTATION WITH MR. TAYLOR.
UM, THEY'LL CONTRIBUTE TO THE SIDEWALK POND OR BUILD A SIDEWALK.
UM, THE PAINTING OF THE EXTERIOR OF THE BUILDINGS WILL BE AGAIN, IN THE WARM NEUTRAL EARTH TONE THAT THE TOWNSHIP RECOMMENDS.
THE, UM, SEPTICS SYSTEMS WILL BE, UH, EITHER THEY WILL BE TESTED, THEY'LL PROVIDE THE TESTING THAT WAS DONE WHEN THE PROPERTY CAME IN, OR THEY WILL DO THE TESTING IF THAT WAS NOT DONE.
UM, THE STORAGE CONTAINER BETWEEN THE PONDS WILL BE REMOVED AFTER A PERMIT IS SECURED FROM DEP.
UM, THE, I DON'T KNOW HOW WE RESOLVE THIS ONE, BUT LET'S, LET'S PENCIL IT IN AND THEN WE DISCUSS IT.
BUT I'D LIKE TO, I THINK WE WANT TO KNOW, WAS THERE CLEAR CUTTING IN BETWEEN THE HOUSE AND THE WETLANDS? UM, I THINK THE TOWNSHIP WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THAT, UH, THE BUFFERS BETWEEN THE PARKING LOT OR ALONG THE PARKING LOT, UM, WILL BE PLANTED WITH, UM, WITH SOME KIND OF EVERGREEN PLANTING TO, TO, UM, BLOCK THE, BLOCK THE HEADLIGHTS, UM, ESTABLISHING A NATURAL, UH, BUFFER, NO, NO MOW ALLOWED A REWILD AREA AROUND THE PONDS.
UM, PROVIDING THE ENVIRONMENTAL STUDY, UH, FOR MR. HULL'S REVIEW.
UM, THE WORK WILL, UH, BEGIN THE WORK THAT REQUIRES D-P-D-E-P APPROVAL WILL BEGIN WITHIN SIX MONTHS OF DE PREAPPROVAL.
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AFTER THE SIX MONTHS OF THE DP APPROVAL.ANYTHING THAT DOES NOT REQUIRE, UH, DP APPROVAL WILL, UH, BEGIN WITHIN, YOU KNOW, WILL BE COMPLETE WITHIN SIX MONTHS.
UH, AND THE APPLICATION WILL NOT BE FULLY APPROVED UNTIL ALL CONDITIONS ARE MET.
WHAT ABOUT THE NO SWIMMING SIDE? ARE WE STILL WITH THAT ONE OR NOT? SO I THINK, I THINK THE WATER WILL BE, WATER QUALITY WILL BE TESTED ADEQUATE FOR SWIMMING.
THAT COULD THEN BE THE APPLICANT'S OPTION.
THAT'S, I MEAN, I THINK THAT MAKES SENSE TO TIE THOSE SWIMMING SIGNS TO THE RESULT OF THE WATER QUALITY TEST.
I THINK I HAD YOU, I HAD A COUPLE MORE.
THERE'S A TRASH PICKUP AREA ENCLOSURE THAT'S TO BE CONSTRUCTED AND PAINTED CONSISTENT WITH THE BOARD'S RECOMMENDED COLOR PALETTE AND YOUR OTHER RECOMMENDATIONS.
IS THAT ONE OF YOURS ADDITIONAL? OKAY.
UH, I WILL ADD SIX PARKING SPACES TO COMPLY WITH THE OREGON PARKING DEPARTMENT.
UM, THE TRASH PICKUPS WILL BE HANDLED DURING BUSINESS HOURS ONLY DURING THE DAY.
UH, APPLICANT'S ALSO GONNA REPAIR THE PERIMETER FENCE TO THE BOARD SATISFACTION.
IT'S ONE THING ABOUT MAKING FUTURE REPAIRS OR WORK.
ALL FENCE WILL BE REPAIRED AS NECESSARY.
ALL OF THE EXISTING FENCE WILL BE PAINTED BLACK AND THEN ANY SUBSEQUENT OR FUTURE REPLACEMENTS WILL BE REPLACED WITH BLACK VINYL CHAIN AND MAKING A DISTINCTION BETWEEN REPAIR AND REPLACED.
AND I THINK THAT'S WHAT, UH,
I'M SUGGESTING BOTH TO THE EXTENT IT NEEDS TO BE REPAIRED.
IF IT NEEDS TO BE REPLACED, IT SHOULD BE REPLACED.
I CAN I GET A DISTINCTION ABOUT THAT? 'CAUSE I'M JUST ASKING FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE.
LIKE I'VE BEEN TOLD BY THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD REPLACING A PANEL OF FENCING IS A REPLACEMENT OF FENCE AND NOT A REPAIR.
SO I THINK WE DO NEED TO CLARIFY WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO REPAIR VERSUS REPLACE.
BEING THAT THIS A CHAINING FENCE, IT'S ONE CONTINUOUS PIECE.
UM, SO EITHER THE WEBBING WILL BE RELA TO MAKE SURE THAT THE FENCING MATERIALS AMONG THE SOLID PIECING IN AT THAT POINT, AND IF ANY DAMAGE POLES HAVE TO BE REPLACED OR BRACKETS HAVE TO BE REPLACED, THAT'S, THAT'S SUBJECT TO THE REPAIR AT THAT POINT TO MAKE IT A SERVICE OFFENSE.
IT'S NOT PENETRABLE AT THAT POINT.
DOES THAT HELP? I THINK THE DISTINCTION IS BETWEEN THE TYPE OF FENCE THAT THEY'RE USING AND YEAH.
AND SOME OTHER FENCE YOU MAY HAVE EXPERIENCED.
I HAD ONE OTHER ITEM, UH, EVALUATE THE CONCRETE WALL.
THERE WAS ALSO SOME APPLICANT WAS GONNA OBTAIN REGULATORY PERMITS IN ORDER TO REMOVE SOMETHING THAT EITHER HAD PIPE IN IT OR WAS A PIPE THAT'S RELATED TO THAT.
I THINK FIRE, WE, WE GOT THAT.
UM, I ALSO HAD ONE THAT THE, THE FLOODLIGHTS, THE BUILDING ON WILL BE REPLACED.
THE FINAL DESIGN AND CONFIGURATION WILL BE A FULL CUTOFF FIXTURE AND SUBJECT TO INFORMATION BEING SUBMITTED, UH, IN CONJUNCTION WITH THE NIGHTLIGHT TEST.
AND MR. TELL YOU MENTIONED, UH, FILLING GAPS WITH STREET TREES.
ANY OF THE COMMENTS THAT ARE DUE LETTERS, IF WE COULD CIRCLE BACK TO THE FENCING, IS THERE ANOTHER ALTERNATIVE TO BLACK CYCLONE FENCING THAT COULD BE INSTALLED THAT WE WOULD WANT TO WRITE IN OR SIMILAR OR THIS PARTICULAR TYPE OF FENCE? YEAH, SO ON AN APP, ON AN APPLICATION LIKE THIS, WORK COULD EVALUATE, WE REALLY DIDN'T LOOK AT THE SITE FRONTAGE.
UH, CHAIN LINK FENCE OBVIOUSLY HAS VISIBILITY THROUGH THAT, SO IT DOESN'T AFFORD MUCH IN THE WAY OF, BUT IT DOES HAVE THE PHYSICAL SEPARATION.
THE OTHER TWO MOST COMMONLY USED WOULD BE SORT OF A, A TUBULAR PEOPLE SORT OF REFER TO IT AS A BROAD IRON FENCE, BUT LIKE A SIX FOOT HIGH TUBULAR BLACK ALUMINUM FENCE THAT IS, UM, A LITTLE MORE AESTHETICALLY PLEASING BUT STILL HAS AN OPEN FENCE.
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LOOK AT SOMETHING IN A MUTED TONE, VINYL FENCE IN SIX FOOT HEIGHT THAT WILL PROVIDE THAT PHYSICAL SEPARATION AND SECURITY, BUT ALSO PROVIDE SORT OF A, UH, MUCH MORE PERMANENT ENCLOSURE.SO THAT'S SOMETHING THAT THE BOARD COULD EVALUATE AS ALL AS ALTERNATIVES.
I THINK IN THIS PARTICULAR CASE THOUGH, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT AN EXISTING EFFECT, LIKE EXISTING CHAIN LINK ALONG THE FRONTAGE.
SO, UM, I BELIEVE THAT WE WOULDN'T, YOU COULD HAVE REQUIRED THEM TO REPLACE IT.
YES, BUT I MEAN IF IT WAS, IF IT WAS A NEW BUILDING AND THEY WERE PROPOSING A CHAIN LINK FENCE, THEN OBVIOUSLY WE WOULD NOT GO FOR THAT.
BUT THIS PARTICULAR CASE, IT'S ALREADY THERE AND WE'VE SEEN THIS BOARD AND OTHERS HANDLE THOSE THINGS IN, IN DIFFERENT WAYS GIVEN THE NATURE OF THE APPLICATION.
EITHER REPLACE THEM WITH A MORE ATTRACTIVE FENCING TYPE OR JUST DO A REPAIR.
IS THE FENCE PREDATING THE APPLICANT'S PURCHASE? YEAH, IT DOES.
SO ANY, ANY REPAIRS LEAST 30 YEARS? YES.
SO ANY REPAIRS WOULD BE OR REPLACEMENT OF THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
IT'S, YOU KNOW, WE'RE NOT, I I DON'T THINK WE DISCUSSED HAVING THEM UPGRADE THE FENCE IN ANY WAY.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS, QUESTIONS, CONCERNS FROM THE BOARD OR FROM THE EXPERTS? NO, THAT'S ALL I HAVE.
WHAT DO WE DO NEXT? I THINK WE'VE GOT OUR LIST.
IF THE BOARD IS SO INCLUDED, UH, UH, INCLINED THE BOARD COULD APPROVE THE APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS SO YOU COULD ENTERTAIN A MOTION FOR APPROVAL WITH THOSE CONDITIONS.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION FOR APPROVAL SUBJECT TO THOSE CONDITIONS? SO MOVED.
WOULD ANYONE LIKE TO SECOND THAT? SECOND? CAN WE GET A ROLL CALL? VOTE FOR APPROVAL? WOULD SUBJECT CONDITION MAY REPSOL AYE.
THANK YOU ALL VERY, VERY MUCH.
I KNOW THIS WAS, UH, UH, A LOT OF DETAIL AND WHAT HAVE YOU ALL TO ADDRESS.
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THE GENERAL PUBLIC COMMENT, IF ANY OF THE NUMBER ONE MEMBERS OF PUBLIC COMMENT ON ANY, ANY MATTER TODAY.I'VE RAISED MY KIDS IN MEDFORD.
UM, I LIVED IN MEDFORD MY WHOLE LIFE.
MY FAMILY OWNS A BUSINESS IN MEDFORD AND I ATTEND CHURCH IN MEDFORD.
UM, I JUST, MY I'M LOOKING FOR CLARITY ON THE SHOPRITE LIQUOR STORE PROPOSAL.
I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW IT'S BEEN APPROVED TO BECOME A LIQUOR STORE WHEN THERE'S NO LIQUOR LICENSE IN HAND THAT ENABLES IT TO BE A LIQUOR STORE.
THE THE SPECS SHOW SIGNAGE, SHOPRITE LIQUORS, 12,000 SQUARE FOOT BUILDING BEING BUILT ON ROUTE 70.
THE TRAFFIC BEING REROUTED THROUGH OUR VILLAGE BRANCH STREET CHESTNUT.
HE DOESN'T HAVE THE PROPER LICENSE IN HAND AND THERE'S A BUILDING APPROVED FOR A LIQUOR STORE.
SO THE MOST I CAN DO, IF I CAN, MR.
UM, THIS BOARD LOOKS AT SITE PLANS AND PERMITTED USES AND A LIQUOR STORE IS A PERMITTED USE IN THAT SERVING DISTRICT ALONG THE HIGHWAY.
UM, THE APPLICANT WILL NEED TO LICENSE FROM TOWNSHIP TO OPERATE THAT AND FROM THE STATE AS APPLICABLE, BUT FROM A PLANNING BOARD STANDPOINT, IT IS A PERMITTED USE.
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THE BOARD GRANTED SOME RELIEF RELATED TO THE SITE PLAN, BUT THIS BOARD DOESN'T, UH, DEFER TO MR. DRAWS REALLY HAVE JURISDICTION TO REGULATE LIQUOR, LIQUOR LICENSES.SO IF THE BUILDING GETS BUILT AND THERE'S NO LICENSE GRANTED AND THERE'S NO LICENSE, DOES THE BUILDING THEN SIT VACANT? THEY'RE GETTING THE LICENSE FROM THE
SO HE CAN OPEN A BAR OR A BANQUET.
IT USED TO BE A PACKAGE STORE THERE, BUT THAT'S, THAT'S THE LICENSE THAT THEY, THEY SAID THAT THEY'RE GONNA UTILIZE AND STILL HAVE TO GET APPROVED FROM THE STATE TO GET THAT LICENSE.
HE DOES NOT HAVE THE PROPER LICENSE AND THE BUILDINGS BEEN APPROVED.
AND TO THE EXTENT THAT GOVERNING BODY, NOT THIS BOARD PER STATE OF NEW JERSEY FOR EVERY 7,500 RESIDENTS IN A TOWNSHIP, YOU CAN GRANT A LIQUOR LICENSE.
WE HAVE FIVE AND WE HAVE 25,000 RESIDENTS.
WE ARE ALREADY OVER OUR LIMIT FOR LIQUOR STORES BASED ON POPULATION.
AND WE ARE BUILDING A 12,000 SQUARE FOOT LIQUOR STORE ON ROUTE 70 THAT I CAN WALK TO FROM MY BUSINESS.
AND WE ARE GOING TO MOVE TRAFFIC THROUGH OUR BEAUTIFUL VILLAGE OF MEDFORD BRANCH STREET CHESTNUT.
WE'RE GONNA PUT A STOP SIGN SO TRAFFIC CAN GO IN AND OUT.
IT, IT'S, IF I WANTED TO PUT A CASINO OUT ON ROUTE 70, I DON'T HAVE A CASINO LICENSE.
I DON'T HAVE THE PROPER LIQUOR LIQUOR LICENSE TO OPERATE A CASINO.
BUT IF I WAS RIGHT, SO IT'S, IT'S THE MENTALITY.
HOW ARE WE PASSING THIS WHEN THE PROPER LICENSE IS NOT IN HAND, HE DOESN'T HAVE THE RIGHT LICENSE.
THE PLANNING BOARD EVALUATES THE LAND USE.
IF FOR SOME REASON THE, THAT APPLICANT IS NOT ABLE TO PRODUCE OR OBTAIN THE APPROPRIATE LICENSES, THEN IT'S OFF THE TABLE, THEN THAT WOULD BECOME A RETAIL BUILDING AS PART OF THE SHOPPING CENTER.
SO THAT IS THE, THE LICENSURE PART OF THAT IS REALLY NOT DOMAIN TO THE LAND USE APPLICATION.
IT HAPPENED TO BE A RETAIL STORE THAT SELLS LIQUOR WITHOUT THE PROPER LICENSE.
IT'S JUST, IT'S JUST LIKE, LIKE SUB SUBJECT TO THEM GETTING THE LICENSE.
I'M JUST REALLY, IT'S KIND OF LIKE BLOWING MY MIND.
HOW DID WE GET THIS FAR? I DON'T REALLY THINK YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THAT BUILDING WITHOUT THE PROPER LICENSE.
YEAH, I THINK THAT'S THE POINT.
PRACTICALLY SPEAKING, IF THEY DON'T GET THE LICENSE, THEY'RE NOT GONNA BUILD A LIQUOR STORE.
THEN I I, IN THEORY, THEY'LL PROBABLY COME BACK HERE TO GET AN APPROVAL TO BUILD SOMETHING ELSE RIGHT ON THE SITE.
THE PROBLEM IS HE'S HOLDING ONTO THIS LICENSE.
HE'S HELD IT IN POCKET FOR 10 YEARS.
WELL THEN HE DOES HAVE A LICENSE.
YOU'RE SAYING? OH, HE HAS THE INDIAN CHIEF LICENSE, WHICH IS A CONSUMPTION LICENSE.
THE ONLY WAY HE CAN OPERATE PACKAGED GOODS OUT WITH THAT LICENSE IS TO HAVE A BAR, RESTAURANT AND A COOLER ON THE OUTSIDE WALL OF HIS BUILDING THAT SELLS PACKAGED GOODS.
HE'S GONNA HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE TOWN.
HAVE TO WORK THAT OUT WITH THE, DOES NOT HAVE THE PROPER LICENSE FOR, HE'LL HAVE TO WORK IT OUT THEN.
I, YEAH, A AND THE STATE CAN'T GRANT IT BECAUSE THE TOWNSHIP DOESN'T WARRANT ANOTHER PACKAGE.
IT'S LIKE STILL, IT'S STILL, WELL YOU CAN'T GET A LICENSE THEN HE WON'T BE ABLE TO OPERATE.
BUT THE, THE
AND, AND THAT WAS WHAT THIS BOARD REVIEWED IN THE FALL.
AND I THINK IF THEY CAN'T GET THEIR LICENSE, MORE LICENSE AND IT WOULD HONESTLY, IT WOULD REALLY BE THE SAME AS IF THAT WAS A CAR DEALERSHIP.
IF THAT WAS A PERMITTED USE, THIS BOARD WOULD DO THIS.
AND IF FOR SOME REASON THEY WEREN'T ABLE TO OBTAIN THEIR REQUIRED CREDENTIALS, LICENSES OR CREDENTIALS, THEN THE PROJECT GOES AWAY.
BUT THIS BOARD REALLY CAN ONLY REVIEW WHEN WE REVIEW THE PERMITTED USES ON A SPECIFIC STUDY.
WE'LL SEE WHAT HAPPENS WITH THIS.
ANY OTHER MEMBER OF THE PUBLIC WANNA TALK ABOUT ANY OTHER SUBJECT? HEARING NONE.
WE'LL POSE THE GENERAL PUBLIC THING.
UM, DO WE NEED TO HAVE A WORKSHOP? NOT TONIGHT.
WELL THEN CAN I GET A MOTION TO ADJOURN? SO MOVED.