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GOOD[1. Convening of Meeting]
EVENING AND THANK YOU FOR COMING OUT TONIGHT.I WOULD LIKE TO CALL TO ORDER THE REORGANIZATION AND REGULAR MEETING OF THE MEDFORD TOWNSHIP ZONING BOARD FOR JANUARY 15TH, 2025.
THIS MEETING IS BEING HELD IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE OPEN PUBLIC MEETINGS ACT.
ADEQUATE NOTICE OF THIS MEETING HAS BEEN PROVIDED IN THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER OF THE TOWNSHIP OF MEDFORD SETTING PLACE, THE SETTING FORTH THE TIME PLACE, AND MATTERS TO BE ADDRESSED.
PLEASE STAND FOR THE FLAG SOLUTION.
I PLEDGE ALLEGIANCE AMERICA REPUBLIC FOR NATION UNDER GOD IN THE LIBERTY JUSTICE.
I'M GONNA DO THE ROLL CALL MS. AMBA.
[5. Executive Session (Regarding Litigation and Board Appointments)]
TO HAVE A MOTION TO GO INTO EXECUTIVE SESSION TO DISCUSS PERSONNEL APPOINTMENTS AND ACTIVE LITIGATION.WE'RE BACK IN SESSION TIME'S 7 36.
THE MATTERS THAT WERE DISCUSSED DURING EXECUTIVE SESSION WITH PROFESSIONAL APPOINTMENTS AS WELL AS ACTIVE LITIGATION.
[6. Nomination and Election of Chairman]
PROPOSE ANY NOMINATIONS FOR CHAIRMAN.I WOULD LIKE TO NOMINATE MS. SIMBA A SECOND.
A ROLL CALL OR IS THAT ANY OTHERS? HEARING NONE? UH, I'LL PICK A ROLL CALL.
[7. Nomination and Election of Vice-Chairman]
NOMINATIONS FOR VICE CHAIRMAN? I WOULD LIKE TO DOMINATE MR. RICKARD.I'LL TURN OVER THE MEETING OVER TO CHAIRWOMAN UMBA.
UM, IT'S MY FIRST MEETING GUYS, SO PLEASE BEAR WITH ME, BUT I'LL TRY AND MAKE IT, MAKE IT THROUGH.
UM, ALL RIGHT, SO WE'RE GONNA DO, UM,
[8. Memorialization of Resolutions]
MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS.UM, I'M GONNA READ EACH ONE, UM, WE'LL AS A CONSENT.
APPOINTMENT OF ANN BELL AS ZONING BOARD SECRETARY 2025 DASH TWO.
APPOINTMENT OF KATHY BOAD AS ZONING BOARD RECORDING SECRETARY 2025 DASH THREE ESTABLISHING THE 2025 MEETING DATES 2025 DASH FOUR DESIGNATING THE OFFICIAL NEWSPAPER.
2025 DASH FIVE APPOINTMENT OF DA DEAN MCGUCKIN AS ZONING BOARD ATTORNEY 2025 DASH SIX.
APPOINTMENT OF ERI AS ZONING BOARD ENGINEER 2025 DASH SEVEN.
APPOINTMENT OF TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP AS ZONING BOARD PLANNER.
UM, SO NOW WE'RE GONNA MOVE INTO THE REGULAR MEETING.
UH, IS THERE ANY CORRESPONDENCE? NOTHING TONIGHT, CHAIR.
AND UM, I DIDN'T SEE ANY MINUTES.
NO, THEY HAVEN'T BEEN RECEIVED.
UM, NEXT IS REPORTS AND I SEE THERE ARE IN NO REPORTS.
[12. Memorialization of Resolutions]
THE MEMORIALIZATION OF RESOLUTIONS.THE FIRST RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 46.
CHRIS AND CRYSTAL LAVO TO RAMSAY COURT BLOCK 47 0 4 LOT 2 0 1 APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE REAR YARD SETBACK TO CONSTRUCT A COVERED DECK.
AND I HAVE, UM, MOTION, MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE IT.
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MR. MORRISON.OKAY, NEXT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 47 HENRY AND JAMIE ROSKI.
25 WHARTONS ROAD BLOCK 66 0 1 LOT THREE DENYING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE EXISTING BOARD.
BOARD ON BOARD FENCING IN THE FRONT YARD.
MR. MARON, DID YOU SECOND I ONLY, THE ONLY PEOPLE ELIGIBLE TO VOTE ARE MR. MORRISON AND MR. RICKARDS AND CHAIRMAN ALBA.
MR. RICKARDS? AYE CHAIRMAN NABA AYE.
NEXT RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 48 JOVAN STAFFIE TO INVERNESS DRIVE BLOCK 4 4 0 4 21 LOT ONE APPROVING BULK VARIANCES FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND LOT COVERAGE FOR THE INSTALLATION OF AN IN-GROUND SWIMMING POOL.
2024 DASH 49 MICHAEL LEVITON 1 54 TAUNTON BOULEVARD BLOCK 33 0 9 LOT FOUR APPROVING BULK VARIANCES FOR FRONT SIDE AND REAR SETBACKS AND BUILDING IN LOT COVERAGES ON AN UNDERSIZED LOT FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
MOTION A SECOND MR. MORRISON? AYE MR. RECORDS? AYE.
CHAIRWOMAN CHAIRWOMAN UMBA AYE.
2024 DASH 50 JOHN CLARK 35 MAIN TRAIL BLOCK 2302 LOT EIGHT APPROVING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE SIDE YARD SETBACK AND MAXIMUM BUILDING COVERAGE TO CONSTRUCT AN ATTACHED DECK.
2024 DASH 51 TAS BUILDERS LLC 2 0 7 EAST LAKE BOULEVARD LOCK 36 0 3 LOT SEVEN APPROVING BOTH VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT AND SIDE YARD SETBACKS AND EXCEEDING THE MAXIMUM BUILDING AND LOCK COVERAGES TO CONSTRUCT A TWO STORY ADDITION AND DECK TO THE SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING.
RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 52 JANET MCCLAFFERTY 16 ROBINSON ROAD BLOCK 57 0 6 LOT THREE APPROVING A ZONING INTERPRETATION OF SECTION FIVE 19 D ONE AND SUBSEQUENTLY SEVERAL BULK VARIANCES FOR FRONT SIDE AND REAR YARD SETBACKS FOR THE CONSTRUCTION OF A NEW SINGLE FAMILY DWELLING MOTION.
RESOLUTION 2024 DASH 53 HAPPY TAILS.
MEDFORD, LLC FIVE 60 STOKES ROAD, SUITE 32 BLOCK 48 0 1 0 1 LAW 1801 APPROVING A USE VARIANCE TO ALLOW A PET GROOMING BUSINESS WITHIN THE COMMUNITY COMMERCIAL ZONING DISTRICT IN THE IRONSTONE VILLAGE SHOPPING CENTER.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THAT, PLEASE.
[13. Applications]
UM, OUR FIRST APPLICATION OF THE NIGHT.UH, PAUL HANDEL 12 WESTLAKE AVENUE BLOCK 37 11 LOT SIX, SEEING A BULK VARIANCE TO CONVERT THE EXISTING GARAGE INTO A MASTER BEDROOM ALONG WITH A NEW TWO STORY GARAGE, WHICH ENCROACHES INTO THE SIDE YARD SETBACK.
MR. NGEL? GOOD EVENING, MA'AM, BEFORE YOU BEGIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE SUBJECT PROPERTY? YES.
UM, OKAY, YOU CAN TELL US ABOUT YOUR OBLIGATION.
UM, I, UH, BEFORE I TURN THINGS OVER TO MY HUSBAND TO TALK ABOUT SOME SPECIFICS, I WANT TO MAKE A FEW REMARKS, UH, TO GIVE SOME
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CONTEXT ABOUT OUR PROJECT.UM, I GUESS WE'RE HERE BECAUSE OF ME.
UH, MY PARENTS BOUGHT THIS PROPERTY IN 1960, UM, AS YOUNG NEWLYWEDS IN THE EARLY TWENTIES.
UH, THEY LIVED THEIR LIVES THERE.
UH, AND EVEN AS I HAD CHILDREN, MY OWN CHILDREN OF MY OWN, WE, UH, WE RETURN TO LAKE PINE ROUTINELY.
IT'S A, IT'S A WONDERFUL COMMUNITY.
UM, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN VERY WARM AND ACTIVE AND WE LOOK FORWARD TO BEING A FARM TOGETHER.
UM, BUT THE HOUSE NEEDS SOME LOVE.
UH, IT'S, UM, WE WOULD LIKE TO, UM, BRING IT INTO THE 21ST CENTURY AND CREATE A SPACE FOR MY, MY CHILDREN, MY NIECES AND NEPHEWS, JUST TO CONTINUE THAT LEGACY, FUTURE GRANDCHILDREN, HOPEFULLY.
UM, SO PAUL AND I HAVE BEEN WORKING HARD WITH TRYING TO COME UP WITH A PLAN TO, UM, TO ACCOMMODATE THAT AND TO, UM, WHILE, WHILE KEEPING WITH THE SPIRIT OF THE COMMUNITY.
WITH THAT, I'LL HAND OVER, SIR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES.
WHEN YOUR NAME, SIR, FOR THE RECORD.
SPELL IT FOR THE LAST NAME, PLEASE.
YOU ARE ALSO THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES.
A COUPLE OF PICTURES FOR YOU GUYS.
SO WHAT DO WE HAVE? I MAY HAVE OVERKILL THIS A LITTLE BIT, BUT I'LL, THIS WILL BE 12 A 12.
SO JUST FOR THE RECORD, WE'RE GONNA MARK THIS PACKET STANDING AS EXHIBIT A 12.
I DON'T KNOW IF THAT MICROPHONE ACTUALLY, I THINK IT JUST PICKS UP FOR THE, UM, FOR THE RECORDING.
IT DOESN'T, IT WON'T ACTUALLY, UH, AMPLIFY ROOM.
YEAH, PRETTY SURE RIGHT? THE MICROPHONE? I'M NOT SURE, BUT IT, IT DEFINITELY IS BEING RECORDED.
HELLO? HELLO? YEAH, IT DOESN'T GO IN HERE.
I THINK IT, IS IT REALLY? OKAY.
FIRST OFF, UM, SIR, THANK YOU FOR HAVING ME.
I REALLY APPRECIATE THE OPPORTUNITY.
I'D LIKE TO SAY THANKS TO ANN AND CHELSEA.
THEY HELPED ME THROUGH THIS PROCESS OF FILLING OUT THE APPLICATIONS AND, UH, IT REQUIRED A LITTLE BIT OF EXPLANATION, UM, FOR ME TO BE ABLE TO FIGURE IT ALL OUT WITHOUT USING ANY ADDITIONAL HELP.
UM, I PUT A LITTLE AGENDA TOGETHER.
IT LOOKS LIKE I'VE WALKED TO GO OVER HERE, BUT IT'S REALLY NOT THAT MUCH.
UM, THE, THE FIRST MOST IMPORTANT THING IS THAT, UH, WHERE I SUBMITTED THE APPLICATION, IT WAS A CONCEPTUAL DESIGN AND I DREW IT UP MYSELF.
AND SINCE THEN, DIANE AND I HAVE HIRED AN ARCHITECT.
AND THE ARCHITECT AND I AND DIANE HAVE WORKED THROUGH A LOT.
AND WE'RE NOW IN A DETAILED DESIGN CASE GOING FROM THE PERCEPTUAL DESIGN PHASE TO DETAILED DESIGN PHASE, AMAZINGLY IS PRETTY MUCH THE SAME EXCEPT FOR THREE MINOR CHANGES.
UM, THE FIRST CHANGE IS IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT THE, UM, I DO HAVE A PICTURE IN HERE.
THE FRONT PORCH IS ALL SET FROM THE HOUSE, UM, TOO SMALL TO INCLUDE COLUMNS AND CHAIRS ON THE, ON THE, UH, PATIO.
AND AS WE WORK WITH THE ARCHITECT, HIS SUGGESTION WAS TO INCREASE AT DISTANCE TWO FEET.
SO THE FRONT PATIO IS INSTEAD OF, UH, INSTEAD OF BEING, I BELIEVE SIX FEET, WE'RE PROPOSING TO MAKE IT EIGHT FEET.
AND ON THE BACK SIDE THERE'S ANOTHER PATIO.
I ORIGINALLY PUT IT DOWN AS 10 FEET.
AND THE ARCHITECT SAID, YOU KNOW, YOU, YOU, IF YOU WANT, PUT A TABLE BACK THERE AND, AND, UM, BE CUATING PROBABLY NEEDED TO BE 12 FEET.
WHEN I RERUN ALL THE CALCULATIONS FOR THE COVERAGES, IT WAS IN THE DECIMAL PLACE.
SO IT REALLY DIDN'T CHANGE THAT AT ALL.
THE ONLY THING IT IMPACTS IS MAYBE THE OFFSET FRONT AND BACK, WHICH I DON'T THINK WAS ACTUALLY THE BIG DEAL.
THE BIG DEAL ON THIS PROPERTY IS THE SOUTH SIDE OFFSET BETWEEN THE HOUSES.
SO HOPING, UM, BRINGING THIS FORWARD TO YOU GUYS NOW THAT THAT DOESN'T REALLY CREATE ANY ISSUE.
AND THEN THE THIRD THING IS THAT THEY, THE, THE ROOF OVER THE GARAGE GOT TURNED 90 DEGREES AND THE PEAK OF THAT ROOF, I ESTIMATED TO BE 25 FEET.
AND THE ARCHITECT SAID IT'S GONNA PROBABLY BE 27 FEET, SO WELL BELOW THE 35 FEET LIMIT.
BUT, UM, A SMALL INCREASE JUST TO GET THE LOOK OF THE HOUSE TO LOOK GOOD.
SO I WANTED TO BRING THOSE THREE, THOSE THINGS FORWARD
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TO YOU GUYS.I ALSO WANTED TO MENTION TO YOU THAT, UH, I'VE TALKED TO ALL THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, OBVIOUSLY THEY'VE GOT THE NOTICES.
AND AT THE, AT THE BACK OF YOUR PACKAGE, UM, THE TWO NEIGHBORS THAT WOULD BE MOST EFFECTIVE FROM MY PERSPECTIVE IS A SOUTH SIDE NEIGHBOR, WHICH IS TODD JENKINS.
AND TODD AND I COMMUNICATED MULTIPLE TIMES ON WHAT I'M DOING HERE.
AND THEN HE HAD RESPONDED MOST RECENTLY, UM, IN THE BACK OF THE PACKET.
AND YOU CAN SEE WHAT HE SAID, THAT, THAT HE'S OKAY WITH EVERYTHING THAT I'M DOING.
AND THEN DIRECTLY ACROSS THE STREET FROM US, ROBERTA, UM, LIVES IN THAT HOUSE.
SHE ALSO GAVE ME A, UM, A TEXT MESSAGE TELLING ME THAT SHE'S OKAY WITH IT.
EXCITED TO SEE WHAT WE'RE GONNA DO WITH THE PROPERTY.
SO, UM, GETTING INTO THE QUESTIONS I WROTE UP ANSWERS TO EACH ONE OF YOUR QUESTIONS, AND SHE SHOULD SEE THAT IN THE PACKET.
UM, I DON'T KNOW IF YOU WANT ME TO READ THROUGH ALL THIS, UH, BUT, UM, I CAN'T DO THAT.
UM, THE, THE FIRST ONE TALK ABOUT THE, THE DENIAL OF THE VARIANCES WOULD RESULT IN EXCEPTIONAL PRACTICAL DIFFICULTIES OR UNDUE HARDSHIP UPON THE APPLICANT BECAUSE OF STRUCTURAL LAWFULLY EXISTING ON THE PROPERTY.
AND YOU CAN SEE MY RESPONSE THERE.
UM, THE INTENT OF THESE CHANGES REALLY IS TO ENABLE FIRST FLOOR LIVING.
YOU KNOW, DIANE AND I EXPECT TO BE IN THIS HOUSE FOR THE REMAINDER, UH, KNOWING AS, AS WE GET OLDER, IT WOULD BE, UM, TO OUR ADVANTAGE TO NOT HAVE TO CLIMB STAIRS TO GET TO A MASTER BEDROOM SUITE.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO PUT THAT ON THE FIRST FLOOR.
WE DO HAVE TWO OF OUR THREE ADULT CHILDREN THAT LIVE WITH US RIGHT NOW.
SO WE ARE GOING TO, UM, RAISE THE ROOF ENOUGH TO PUT FULL EIGHT FOOT CEILINGS.
RIGHT NOW THEY'RE ABOUT SIX AND A HALF TO SEVEN DECLINING DOWN TO ABOUT THREE FEET.
UM, YOU CAN IMAGINE HITTING YOUR HEAD ON THE, UH, CEILINGS.
SO THAT'S WHY WE DECIDED TO, UH, TO RAISE THOSE CEILINGS AND THEN PUT A GARAGE UP FRONT.
UH, THE PICTURE OF THE HOUSE, BY THE WAY, IS, UH, IN YOUR PACKETS.
UM, IT, IT LAYS OUT THE, THE FLOOR PLAN.
AND THEN ON THE SECOND PAGE HERE, YOU CAN GET AN IDEA OF WHAT IS THIS SUBMITTED WITH THE APPLICATION.
NO, THIS IS, SO, WE'LL MARK THIS AS EXHIBIT A 13.
THIS IS THE DETAILED DESIGN PAGE.
SO THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S, WE ALL HAVE THAT TO WHAT WE'RE LOOKING AT THE HOUSE BEING.
WE MAY CHANGE SOME OF THE AESTHETICS OF THE FRONT OF THE HOUSE WITH, WITH STONE, BUT PRESENTLY WE'RE LOOKING AT, YOU KNOW, THE LOG CABIN STYLE WITH THE SHAKERS AND THE STONE.
AND THAT'S ALL TO FIT IN WITH THE ENVIRONMENT OF LAKE PINE.
UM, IF YOU TAKE A LOOK AT SOME OF THE HOUSES THAT MADE SOME IMPROVEMENTS, UH, RECENTLY AROUND THERE, THEY LOOK VERY SIMILAR TO THAT.
UM, AND, AND THAT'S A STYLE THAT DIANE AND I REALLY ENJOY AS WELL.
UM, GOING BACK TO THE QUESTIONS, THE VARIANCES CAN BE GRANTED WITHOUT SUBSTANTIAL DETRIMENT, UH, TO THE PUBLIC GOOD.
OUR INTENT IS FOR THE HOUSE TO FIT INTO LAKELINE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AS I RECENT, AS I JUST MENTIONED, UH, MOST HOUSES IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOCK LOCKED CABIN STYLES WE'RE GONNA REMAIN A LOCKED CABIN STYLE AND TO KEEP THE SAME AESTHETICS, UM, WITH THESE IMPROVEMENTS AND LIKELY INCREASE THE VALUE AND DESIRE OF THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU KNOW, RIGHT NOW WE, WE'VE SEEN, UH, VARIOUS IMPROVEMENTS BEING MADE IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND IT, AND AS A NEIGHBOR IT FEELS REALLY GOOD TO SEE THOSE IMPROVEMENTS BE MADE.
'CAUSE IT HELPS OUT ALL OF US THAT OWN HOUSES IN THERE.
AND WE PLAN TO DO THE SAME FOR EVERYONE ELSE.
THE BENEFITS OF THE DEVIATIONS WOULD SUBSTANTIALLY OUTWEIGH ANY DETRIMENT.
UM, THESE IMPROVEMENTS WILL MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD MORE BEAUTIFUL WITHOUT ANY NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THE NEIGHBOR'S VIEWS OR, UM, USE OF THEIR OWN PROPERTY.
I DON'T EXPECT TO HAVE ANY DETRIMENT TO ANY OF MY NEIGHBORS.
CONTINUING THE VARIANCE WILL NOT SUBSTANTIALLY IMPAIR THE INTENT AND PURPOSE OF THE ZONE PLAN AND ZONING ORDINANCE.
UM, WE EXPECT NO NEGATIVE IMPACTS TO THAT.
UM, WE EXPECT ALL THE TREES THAT, UH, TO REMAIN THAT ARE ALIVE.
WE, WE, UM, HAVE A PLAN FOR THE STORM WATER NOT GOING INTO THAT IN A LITTLE BIT MORE DETAIL TO BE MANAGED PROPERLY THROUGH GRADING AND SO FORTH.
UH, TESTIMONY SHOULD ALSO BE PROVIDED REGARDING WHERE THE STORM WATER WILL GO.
SO THE PROPERTY IS PRESENTLY GRADED TO FLOW FROM A HIGH POINT IN THE FRONT YARD BY THE STREET AND FLOWED DOWN TOWARDS BOTH SIDES, YARD SIDE YARDS AND DOWN THE BACK TOWARDS THE LAKE.
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TWO THIRDS OF THE FRONT YARD WILL FLOW TO THE NORTH SIDE, WHICH IS THE LARGER, UM, DISTANCE BETWEEN US AND THE PROPERTY LINE.AND ONE THIRD WILL FLOW IN THE, UM, TO THE SOUTH SIDE.
AND THAT'S HOW IT HAS BEEN FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS.
UM, I'VE BEEN IN THE FAMILY FOR A LONG TIME.
THERE'S NEVER BEEN ANY FLOODING IN WITHIN THE PROPERTY AND THERE'S BEEN, I'VE NEVER SEEN ANY WATER FLOWING FROM OUR PROPERTY INTO ANY OF THE OTHER PROPERTIES OR VICE VERSA.
IT'S A VERY SANDY SOIL, IF YOU'RE FAMILIAR WITH LAKE PINE.
UM, IT DRAINS PRETTY QUICKLY ON ITS OWN, BUT IF YOU DO GET A DOWNPOUR AND YOU NEED THE WATER TO FLOW IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION, IT'S GRADED PROPERLY.
OKAY, SO WHAT THEY'RE DOWN ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE PROPERTY.
THERE PRESENTLY IS A DETACHED GARAGE WITH THE, WITH A FIVE FOOT OFFSET TO THE PROPERTY LINE AND THERE'S 21 FEET, UM, TO THE ADJACENT RESIDENCE.
UH, THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANY ISSUES WITH SO STORM ORDER THERE.
AND I DO KNOW AS WE PUT THE GARAGE UP FRONT, THAT MAY, UM, DRAW SOME ATTENTION.
BUT I, I CAN SHOW YOU, UH, IN, IN ONE OF MY PICTURES THAT I HAVE ON THE BACK HERE, THAT THE, THE DOWNSPOUTS, UM, WILL ALL BE DONE PROPERLY SO THAT THE WATER FLOWS TO THE, THE BACK OF THE HOUSE WITHOUT GOING ON TO ANY OF THE NEIGHBORS.
UM, THERE'S A SWELL BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES TO ASSIST THE FLOW OF WATER TO THE LAKE.
AND ON THE SOUTH SIDE THERE ARE RAILROAD TRACKS.
THERE ARE RAILROAD TIES, I'M SORRY, RAILROAD TIES TO ASSIST WATER WITH WITHIN THE PROPERTY LINE.
THOSE ARE ABOUT EIGHT INCHES HIGH.
UH, MY FATHER-IN-LAW HAD PUT THEM THERE A LONG, LONG TIME AGO AND WE PLANNED THE, UM, WE PLAN TO REPLACE ANY OF THOSE THAT ARE DAMAGED AND TO MAKE SURE THAT WE, WE MAINTAIN THAT SO THAT WE CAN MAINTAIN THE WATER ONTO OUR, FOR OUR PROPERTY AS IT MAKES ITS WAY NATURALLY ONTO TO ITS FINAL DESTINATION.
I MENTIONED THE SANDY SOIL AND I ALSO MENTIONED THE SOILS BETWEEN THE PROPERTIES.
UM, AND THERE WILL BE GUTTERS ON THE ROOF TO CATCH AND DIRECT THE WATER PROPERLY AS SHOWN ON THE TOUCH DRAWING.
AND, AND THAT'S THAT I'LL GET TO IN A MINUTE.
TESTIMONY SHOULD BE PROVIDED REGARDING SITE AND BUILD BUILDING LIGHTING.
UM, WE ARE GONNA ABIDE BY ALL LIGHTING, UH, SUGGESTIONS.
THERE'S A HOUSE THAT'S ACTUALLY DIRECTLY BEHIND OUR, THAT HAS BEEN QUITE ANNOYING TO BE QUITE HONEST BECAUSE THERE'S A SPOTLIGHT ON, I DON'T EVEN KNOW IF PEOPLE LIVE THERE.
24 HOUR DAY POINTED RIGHT DIRECTLY THE HOUSE AND THE NEIGHBORS HAVE COMPLAINED ABOUT, I'M WELL AWARE OF THIS ISSUE.
MAYBE THAT'S WHY THIS QUESTION CAME UP.
WE WILL RESPECT OUR NEIGHBORS AND MAKE SURE THAT WE, UH, WE DO THE RIGHT THING WITH LIGHTING.
UM, IT WILL CUT OFF, IT'LL BE MOTION SENSOR, IT'LL BE, UM, UH, LOW VOL, LOW, LOW, UH, WATTAGE AND PULLING IT IN THE RIGHT DIRECTIONS FOR SURE.
OKAY, THEN WERE A COUPLE MORE QUESTIONS.
I GOT KIND OF MESSED UP WITH MY PAPERWORK HERE, SO I ALL THAT OKAY.
SO, UM, THE TREES, THERE'S A LOT OF TREES ON THE PROPERTY.
THIS IS ONE THE DESIRES OF, OF THIS HOUSE IS ALL THE TREES THAT ARE ON THE PROPERTY.
UH, THE GOOD NEWS, IF YOU LOOKED AT, AT, AT MY TREE MAP, UM, IN THE BACK OF THE PACKAGES, VERY FEW OF THE LARGE TREES ARE, ARE CLOSE TO THE HOUSE, WHICH WOULD INTERFERE WITH ANY OF THE CONSTRUCTION.
UM, THERE MAY BE ONE OR TWO TREES THAT'S JUST ABOUT SIX, UM, INCHES IN CALIPER, UM, IN CALIBER.
AND THEY ARE SOMEWHAT CLOSE TO WHERE WE'RE GONNA DO CONSTRUCTION.
IF THEY GET IN THE WAY AND THEY HAVE TO BE REMOVED, THEY WILL BE REPLACED.
UM, BUT THERE ARE SO MUCH OTHER, UH, GROWTH IN THAT AREA THAT, UM, I, I'M NOT, IT'S NOT GONNA BE A DETRIMENT TO ANYONE IF IF THE TREE GOT REMOVED FROM THAT PARTICULAR LOCATION, BUT THE REST OF THE TREES ARE ALL GONNA REMAIN AS IS.
I THINK THAT WAS THE LAST MAIN QUESTION.
UM, YOU GUYS CAN GO AND TAKE A LOOK AT THE MATS.
I KIND OF SHOW HOW THE WATER FLOWS ON THE PROPERTY AND I SHOWED WHERE THE, THE TREES ARE ON THE PROPERTY TO KIND OF MAKE THAT POINT.
UM, THAT, THAT WE'RE ABLE TO DO CONSTRUCTION WITHOUT ANY, UH, REMOVAL OF ANY OF THOSE BIG TREES.
UM, AND I POINTED OUT THE, THE THREE MAIN CHANGES THAT, MINOR CHANGES THAT I WANTED TO MAKE.
AND I SAID I DON'T THINK THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE MINOR IMPACT ON ANY OF THE CALCULATIONS THAT I ORIGINALLY MADE.
SO THAT'S, THAT'S PRETTY MUCH IT.
I DON'T KNOW IF I ADDRESSED ALL OF YOUR QUESTIONS OR ISSUES, BUT I'M OPEN TO ANSWERING ANY OF YOUR QUESTIONS THAT YOU MAY HAVE NOW.
THANK YOU FOR YOUR THOROUGHNESS IN GOING THROUGH, UM, THE PLANNER'S LETTER.
MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY, UM, ANYTHING ELSE WITH THAT WAS IN THE LETTER THAT WAS NOT ADDRESSED OR ANYTHING THAT YOU WANT TO BRING UP
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COURT'S ATTENTION? UH, JUST A FEW THINGS.MADAM CHAIR THAT, UH, BASED ON THE TESTIMONY FROM THE HANDLES THAT UH, IF THAT FRONT PORCH DOES EXTEND TWO FEET CLOSER, THE THE FRONT YARD SETBACK RELIEF THAT WOULD BE REQUIRED WOULD BE MODIFIED FROM 45.25 FEET TO 43.25 FEET.
AND ALSO THE APPLICANT HAD PREVIOUSLY INDICATED ON THEIR APPLICATION THAT THERE WAS A BUILDING COVERAGE VARIANCE REQUESTED OF 27% WHERE 12% IS PERMITTED.
THEY HAD INDICATED THAT THERE IS SOME NOMINAL AND FRACTIONAL INCREASE ABOVE THAT WITH THOSE MODIFICATIONS TO THE PORCHES.
I THINK UNDERSTANDING WE DON'T HAVE THAT CALCULATION HERE THIS EVENING.
THE BOARD AND THE APPLICANT MAY WANT TO MODIFY THAT IF WE THINK IT MAY BE 27.5% OR 28% WHEN THEY GO TO PULL A ZONING PERMIT.
AND THOSE CALCULATIONS ARE ACTUALLY DONE.
WHAT WE DON'T WANT TO NECESSARILY HAVE IS THEM HAVING TO COME BACK WHERE WE GRANTED 27% AND IT'S 27.2%.
SO, SO COULD WE, COULD WE LIKE UP TO 1%, UP TO 28% AND JUST COVER IT LIKE THAT? I I AND I THINK THAT WOULD BE AN APPROPRIATE WAY IF MOORE IS, IS COMFORTABLE WITH THAT.
UM, MY ONLY COMMENT, JUST BASED ON THE TESTIMONY WITH THE BUILDING CONDITION, WE JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE ALL OF THOSE AREAS ARE LARGELY DRIVEWAY AND IMPERVIOUS ALREADY.
WE JUST THOUGHT IT WOULD BE APPROPRIATE AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL TO MEMORIALIZE THAT THE STORMWATER WILL CONTINUE TO REMAIN ON SITE IN ITS CURRENT PATTERNS.
THERE WILL BE NO ADDITIONAL FILL THAT PUSHES WATER ONTO THE ADJACENT PROPERTY PROPERTY IN THAT NARROW LOCATION.
AND I AM SOMEWHAT FAMILIAR WITH THE SOILS IN LAKE PINE AND I ACTUALLY GREW UP RIGHT ACROSS THE LAKE FROM MRS. OAKS A LOT OF YEARS AGO.
IS YOUR HOUSE THE ONE WITH THE LIGHTS? I, I
BOY, THAT WAS A RISK ON MY PART.
UM, JUST THE WHOLE PROCESS, IS THIS A COMPLETE DEMO OF EVERYTHING THAT'S THERE AND STARTING OVER FROM SCRATCH AT THAT POINT? OR IS THIS YOU'RE GONNA USE THE FOUNDATION FROM THE EXISTING HOUSE OR JUST HELP ME UNDERSTAND.
NO, THAT'S, THAT'S A GREAT QUESTION.
SO, UM, YOU KNOW, WE CONTEMPLATED DEMO VERSUS, UM, YOU KNOW, DOING A REFURB WITH, WITH THE EXISTING HOUSE AND WE DECIDED TO KEEP THE HOUSE AND UM, AND, AND BASICALLY, UH, USE EVERYTHING THAT WE POSSIBLY CAN THAT IS THERE AND UH, AND GO WITH THAT.
SO THE MAIN HOUSE, UM, THE FIRST FLOOR IS GONNA REMAIN AS IS WITH SOME MODIFICATIONS INSIDE.
UH, THE, THE GARAGE THAT'S GONNA BE CONVERTED INTO A MASTER IS, UM, GONNA USE SOME OF THE WALLS THAT ARE THERE AND THE FOUNDATION.
AND THEN THE, THE, UM, THE GARAGE UP FRONT IS GONNA BE NEW.
I WAS JUST CURIOUS HOW THAT YEAH, I DON'T KNOW IF IT'S THE CHEAPEST WAY TO DO IT TO BE HONEST WITH YOU, BUT THAT'S WHAT WE'RE PLANNING TO DO.
DOES ANYONE ELSE IN THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS FOR THE APPLICANT? NO, THEY COVERED NO CONSTRUCTION.
IF YOU CAN HAVE A SEAT AND WE'LL OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC.
MOTION FOR THE OPEN THE PUBLIC.
A, IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO COME UP AND SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION, YOU MAY DO SO.
SEEING NONE YOU CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
UM, YOU CAN COME BACK UP IF YOU WANT.
UM, WOULD ANYONE FROM THE BOARD LIKE TO MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION, UH, WITH THE, UH, CAVEAT THAT WE ADD 28% TO THE COVERAGE UP TO 28% LACK COVERAGE YEP.
AND THERE WAS, AND THE FRONT YARD SETBACK AND THE FRONT YARD BACK WAS TWO FEET.
REDUCING THE PORT YARD SETBACK, RIGHT? MM-HMM
AND WITH THE TREE REMOVAL AND REPLACEMENT, THE TREE REPLACEMENT CAVEAT.
AND I THINK JUST A GENERAL COMPLIANCE WITH THE TESTIMONY PROVIDED AND THE ITEMS IDENTIFIED IN THE TAYLOR DESIGN GROUP REPORT OF DECEMBER 31.
THAT'S WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT.
RIGHT? WHAT WAS IN, WHAT WAS IN THE UH, JUST BEING COMPLIANCE WITH THE TREE, THE LETTERS, CORRECT.
AND, AND COMPLIANCE WITH THE TREE ORDINANCE.
IS THE, UH, APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY OF TREE REPLACEMENT.
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THANK YOU ALL FOR YOU'RE GONNA LOSE YOUR HISTORY OF WHAT YOU GREW UP WITH THOUGH, RIGHT? WELL, I'M GONNA SAY SOMETHING ABOUT THAT REASONABLE BECAUSE YOU WERE A LITTLE EMOTIONAL ABOUT IT UP FRONT.
SO I WAS A LITTLE WORRIED ABOUT HOW MUCH HE WAS GONNA CHANGE OF YOUR DREAMS. BUT UM, SOMEWHERE ALONG THE WAY THEY SENT FROM HERE SOME INNOVATION AND SOME, SOME ROOM.
THE HOUSE, THE PROPERTY, IT'S A LODGE CEILING AND IT'S SPACIOUS AND THAT STAYS, STAYS.
I THINK PART OF HER TESTIMONY IN THE PAPERWORK WAS HER FATHER HAD PLANNED TO MAKE CHANGES.
YOU, YOUR FATHER PLANNED TO MAKE CHANGES TO THE HOUSE IS UH, WHAT, YOU KNOW, UM, WHAT YOU WROTE THEY DID AS BUDGET PERMITTED BACK THEN.
UM, HE, HE, HE ALWAYS HAD SOME DESIRES BUT NEVER GOT AROUND TO MUCH.
BUT THAT GREAT ROOM WAS, WAS ONE OF THE THINGS, THE EXHIBIT.
I'M GLAD TO KEEPING BACK THAT THAT'S GONNA BE A GOOD PLACE FOR YOU.
GOOD LUCK AND THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR ALL YOUR HELP.
OUR NEXT APPLICATION IS CATHERINE 10 HALL, 13 BRANCH STREET BLOCK 1402, LOT TWO SEEKING BOTH VARIANCES FOR THE FRONT AND SIDE YARD.
SETBACKS TO CONSTRUCT A CARPORT.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I AM.
UH, TELL US ABOUT YOUR APPLICATION PLEASE.
WE ARE, UM, ASKING TO BUILD A ROOF ONLY CARPORT BACK PART OF OUR PROPERTY.
AND 'CAUSE WE HAVE TECHNICALLY THE FRONTAGE BECAUSE WE BACK UP ONE TWELL AVENUE AS WELL AS BRANCH STREET AND WE'RE LOOKING FOR A ROOF ONLY TO KEEP AN OPEN CONCEPT.
KEEP THAT OPEN SPACIAL FEEL, THE CARPORT WILL GO ON TOP OF THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY.
WE WOULD LIKE IT LARGE ENOUGH TO SAFELY COVER THE TWO CARS THAT ARE BACK THERE.
WE, IN THE BACKSIDE OF THE PROPERTY, WE FACE A NONDESCRIPT INDUSTRIAL BUILDING.
TO THE RIGHT IS A PRIVATE PARKING DRIVEWAY, AND TO THE LEFT IS A COMMERCIAL PARKING LOT.
SO ON THAT SIDE THERE'S NOT A A A LOT THAT'S COMPETING TIME IN TERMS OF ARCHITECTURAL DESIGN, BUT OUR PLANS ARE TO KEEP THE HISTORY OF THE HOUSE, WHICH IS AN ARCH AND CRAFT STYLE HOUSE.
SO THE DESIGN OF THE CARPORT WILL MIRROR OUR HOUSE DOESN'T NECESSARILY FIT WHAT MIGHT BE AROUND, BUT IT WILL FIT THE STYLE OF OUR HOUSE, IF THAT MAKES SENSE.
IF YOU LOOK IN THE VILLAGE, THERE'S ALL DIFFERENT TYPES OF STYLES, HISTORICAL STYLES.
WE HAVE MORE OF A COLONIAL STYLE, SO WE'RE GOING TO STAY TRUE TO OUR HOUSE.
AND WHEN WE BOUGHT IT, WE SPENT ABOUT A YEAR AND A HALF PRESERVING IT.
SO WE PUT A LOT OF FAITH IN MAINTAINING A HISTORY, BUT WE ALSO WANT TO PROTECT OUR VEHICLES.
THE CARPORT WON'T BE VISIBLE, EXCUSE ME, WILL NOT BE VISIBLE FROM THE HOUSE.
WE HAVE A BEAUTIFUL POLY TREE THAT KIND OF SHIELDS THAT PART OF THE PROPERTY.
SO IT'S, IT'S NOT ENCROACHING UPON THE NEIGHBORS WHEN THEY LOOK INTO THE BACKYARD, NOT REALLY GONNA SEE IT.
SO THE VARIANCE IS REALLY TO, UM, COME OFF THE ALLEY.
WE'RE ASKING FOR, UM, A SETBACK FROM THE ROAD FROM 15 FEET TO 10 FEET.
AND ON THE ONE SIDE, WHICH BUTTS UP TO OUR NEIGHBOR, 10 FEET TO FOUR FEET.
AND RIGHT NOW THERE'S A HEDGE THERE.
SO IT WOULD BE ON THE INSIDE OF THE HEDGE.
THERE WAS A QUESTION THAT CAME UP ON THE LETTER THAT CAME BACK FROM WHOEVER REVIEWED OUR APPLICATION ABOUT DID WE GET A PERMIT FOR THE DRIVEWAY IN THE SHED THAT'S CURRENTLY BACK THERE.
AND JUST TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT, YES, IT WAS APPROVED SO IT'S ALL LEGIT.
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JUST CLEAR THAT UP.IT WAS DONE IN 2018, SO WE DON'T HAVE THAT.
OH, AND THE ONLY OTHER QUESTION CAME UP WAS THE HEIGHT, UM, MAXIMUM WOULD BE 11 FEET.
WE'LL MIRROR THE SHED THAT'S BACK THERE BECAUSE IT'LL BASICALLY BE RIGHT NEXT TO THE SHED.
SO IT'S, UM, GOING TO BE THE SAME HEIGHT AS THE SHED.
CONSISTENT WITH THE HEIGHT OF THE SHED.
AND UM, I DON'T THINK YOU PUT ANY TESTIMONY ON ABOUT THE MATERIALS.
AGAIN, WE'RE GONNA STAY TRUE TO THIS.
THE HOUSE, WHICH IS A BLUE, BUT BEING A CARPORT POST FOUR BY FOUR, SIX BY SIX BEAM STRUCTURE, UM, MAY NOT PAINT, IT MAY LEAVE IT NATURAL CEDAR LOOKING.
IT'LL BE A SHINGLED ROOF MOST LIKELY.
AGAIN, THAT'S WHAT THE SHED IS, THAT'S WHAT THE HOUSE IS.
UM, IF WE DO ANY KIND OF PAINTING, IT WILL BE TO BRING OUT THE CHARACTERISTICS OF THE ARTS AND CRAFT STYLE HOUSE THAT WE HAVE.
SO IT'S GOT, WOULDN'T CALL 'EM GINGERBREAD PIECES, BUT THEY'RE THE UH, WHAT WOULD YOU CALL THE PIECES THAT STICK OUT? THE BEAMS ACTUALLY.
THAT KIND OF COME OUT THAT ARE UNIQUE TO AN ARTS AND CRAFT HOUSE.
SO THIS WOULD HAVE THOSE TYPE OF THINGS.
IS THE RENDERINGS PRETTY ACCURATE THAT YOU SUBMITTED THERE? ONE STYLE, UM, WITH TOYING WITH A COUPLE VERY CLOSE TO WHAT WE WOULD END UP WITH.
HOW WE ACTUALLY GET, WE MIGHT MIRROR THE HOUSE A LITTLE BIT MORE THAN WHAT'S IN THE RENDERING.
MY, MY QUESTION IS ON THE A FRAME MM-HMM
IS THAT GONNA BE A SOLID WITH SIDING OR IS THAT GONNA BE NO OPEN.
LIKE IF IT'S GONNA BE OPEN LIKE THAT BECAUSE THAT'S TRUE.
OR TO AN ARCHITECTURAL BECAUSE IT'S GONNA BE RIGHT NEXT TO YOUR OTHER SHED.
AND THE SHED IS NOT ARTS AND CRAFT STYLE'S A TYPICAL SHED, BUT THIS, WE WOULD KEEP IT OPEN BECAUSE WE LIKE THAT AGAIN, WE WANT THE AIRY FEEL BACK THERE.
UM, THAT'S WHY WE DIDN'T WANT THE TRADITIONAL DEFINITION OF A CARPORT WITH THE WALLS AND EVERYTHING.
WE JUST WANT IT OPEN, LET AIR GO THROUGH, LET PEOPLE SEE THROUGH AGAIN.
'CAUSE SEAN NEXT DOOR WANTED MAKE SURE THAT WHEN HE'S BACKING UP HE CAN SEE THROUGH MM-HMM.
UM, BUT YEAH, THAT'S PRETTY CLOSE TO WHAT WE'RE GONNA GO TO.
NO GUTTERS, HOW WE ACTUALLY HEX IT OUT OR DO THAT MIGHT CHANGE A LITTLE BIT, BUT IT WON'T BE SOLID.
NO GUTTERS? PROBABLY NOT BECAUSE THE WAY I ENVISION IT, IT'S GONNA BE SET IN A LITTLE BIT ON THE DRIVEWAY.
SO THE DRIP IS ONTO THE DRIVEWAY SO IT'S CLEAN MM-HMM
AND IT WON'T PICK UP AS MUCH DIRT THAT MIGHT CHANGE, BUT I DON'T THINK SO.
IS THIS A KIT YOU BUY FROM A COMPANY AND ASSEMBLE OR THIS WILL NOT BE 'CAUSE OF THE SIZE THAT WE'RE REQUESTING.
SO YOU'RE GONNA BUILD THIS BY HAND THEN BASICALLY YOU MM-HMM.
YOU'LL DESIGN THE TRU IS WITH THE GABLE IN THERE.
MR. TAYLOR, DO YOU HAVE ANY RECOMMENDATIONS AS FAR AS COLORS AND MATERIALS OR ARE YOU OKAY WITH THE APPLICANT'S TESTIMONY? WELL, I, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT 'CAUSE THE APPLICANT, BECAUSE THE THE PROPERTY IS LOCATED WITHIN THE HISTORIC DISTRICT, THE BOARD HAS TO ISSUE A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS THAT THE STRUCTURE IS COMPATIBLE WITH THE DOWNTOWN AND WITH THE HISTORIC DISTRICT.
SO I THINK THE TESTIMONY THAT IT WILL EITHER BE IN A COLOR SCHEME THAT MATCHES THE PRINCIPAL BUILDING THAT MATCHES THE HOME OR BE SORT OF A WARM, MUTED NATURAL COLOR MM-HMM
TO FIT WITHIN THE LANDSCAPE IS APPROPRIATE.
AND I THINK THAT SHOULD BE ADDRESSED POTENTIALLY AS A CONDITION OF APPROVAL.
UM, SO A SUBSEQUENT OWNER DOESN'T COME IN AND TRY TO PAINT THAT BRIGHT YELLOW WITH A PURPLE ROOF, WHICH WOULD NOT NECESSARILY BE CONSISTENT.
UM, SO I THINK THAT SOMETHING LIKE THIS WOULD BE BUILT WITH LIKE PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER ANYWAY.
THE SIX BY SIX PRESSURE TREATED LUMBER PIECES.
WELL SHE WAS STILL CONCEDED OR CEDAR, THAT'S WHY I WAS CONCERNED WITH CEDAR WRAPPED AROUND IT, I GUESS.
SO WE, WE HAVE SEEN THESE WRAPPED, EITHER PRESSURE TREATED WRAPPED IN CEDAR OR EVEN JUST CEDAR.
AS LONG AS THAT CEDAR DRIES OUT, UH, THERE ARE A LOT OF STRUCTURES THAT ARE, THAT ARE DONE THAT WAY.
YOU NORMALLY JUST WOULDN'T WANT TO EMBED THAT CEDAR IN CONCRETE BECAUSE THAT WILL RIGHT.
DECAY AT THE POINT WHERE THE FLOOR, THAT'S WHY I'M THINKING MOST BUILDERS WOULD GO TO THE PRESSURE TREE.
LONG CONSTRUCTION WOULD PROBABLY LEAN TOWARD PRESSURE TREATED.
AND FROM 20 FEET AWAY YOU REALLY CAN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE TWO.
FROM, FROM A DISTANCE THEY WILL BOTH GRAY TO THAT SAME SILVERY GRAY PATINA, UH, FROM A DISTANCE.
SO VISUALLY OUR FENCE IS A CEDAR FENCE.
AND IT'S, AS YOU STATED, IT IS SORT OF A, A GRAYISH, IT'S NOT YEAH, THAT'S WHAT I WAS CONCERNED WITH.
YOU KEPT REFERRING TO CEDAR, MOST BUILDING CONSTRUCTION THAT I'VE SEEN WITH THIS STUFF, THEY COME IN WITH THE PRESSURE TREATED, WHETHER
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YOU'RE WRAP IT OR NOT, PARTICULARLY FOR THE POST, A LOT OF TIMES THOSE EXPOSED MEMBERS YOU WILL SEE THOSE AS CEDAR OR FUR OR SOME OTHER NON-PRESSURE TREATED.SO YOU'RE RECOMMENDING THAT IT WEATHERS OR THAT IT'S PAINTED APPROPRIATE TO THE COLORS OF THE HOUSE, NEUTRAL TOES.
SO I THINK EITHER ONE OF THOSE WOULD BE APPROPRIATE, UM, THAT IF THEY WANTED TO SELECT A BLUE FOR THE POSTS OR FOR THE ROOF THAT COMPLIMENTED THE HOME COLORS OR GO WITH A SHINGLE COLOR THAT MATCHED THE YEAH.
THE SH ROOFING WOULD BE THE BLACK THAT'S WE CURRENTLY HAVE THAT'S ON THE HOME.
SO, UM, AND THIS WILL STAY WITH THE GARAGE IF WE PUT IT INTO AN APPROVAL WHERE FUTURE OWNER CAN'T PAINT IT.
I, I WOULD IDENTIFY THAT BECAUSE OF THE NECESSITY FOR THE CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS, THAT THAT IS, THAT THAT WOULD BE CONSIDERED APPROPRIATE.
THAT ANY MODIFICATIONS TO THAT IN THE FUTURE, INCLUDING CHANGES TO THE COLOR WOULD REQUIRE.
NOW HOW, HOW WOULD A FUTURE HOMEOWNER KNOW THAT? SO THAT'S THE HARD PART WHERE IT ENDS UP BECOMING AN ISSUE WHERE THE ZONING OFFICER, AS MS. BELL KNOWS, UM, A LOT OF TIMES IT WOULD BE TRIGGERED BY A NEIGHBOR CALLING AND SAYING, HEY, THIS WAS SUPPOSED TO BE A WARM, MUTED TONE OR MATCHING THE HOUSE AND THEY JUST PUT FLOODLIGHTS ON IT AND THEY PAINTED IT PURPLE WITH THE YELLOW POSTS.
SO, SO, SO YOU WON'T KNOW JUST BY THE SALE OF THE HOUSE.
YOU'LL HAVE TO, AND IT REALLY, FOR SOMETHING THIS MINOR TO DO A DEED RESTRICTION IS AN UNNECESSARY LEVEL OF, BUT AGAIN, BECAUSE WE'RE NOT ASKING FOR WALLS, WE WANT ROOF ONLY MM-HMM
WHICH IS ONE OF THE VARIANCES WE'RE ASKING FOR.
THERE'S NOT GONNA BE MUCH TO PAINT.
IT'S REALLY THE POST, UH, YEAH, I I KNOW WE, WE STILL WANT IT TO MATCH THE HOUSE.
YEAH, NO, AND THAT'S WHY 20, 20, 30 YEARS THE YARD CRAFT STYLE OKAY.
OF THE ALRIGHT, DESIGN AND NORMALLY OH YEAH.
IT'S NOT YOU WE'RE WORRIED ABOUT.
AND JUST JUST TO FOLLOW UP THE TESTIMONY FOR MRS. TURNOFF, THE, THIS SECTION OF TRIMBLE, OUR ORDINANCE HAS THE THROUGH LOTT PROVISION BECAUSE YOU WOULDN'T WANT SOMEBODY, A NEIGHBOR HAVE WHOSE FRONT YARD IS THERE NOW THEIR, YOU KNOW, THE TENT HOFF'S GARAGE AND SHED AND CARPORT ARE IN THEIR FRONT YARD.
BUT IN THIS SECTION OF TRIMBLE, ALL OF THOSE HOMES WALL, YEAH.
SO THERE'S AN INDUSTRIAL SITE ACROSS THE STREET AND ALL OF THOSE HOMES FRONT ON BRANCH.
SO THIS REALLY FUNCTIONS LIKE AN ALLEY.
SO THAT CONCERN THAT WE MIGHT NORMALLY HAVE IN THE ORDINANCE OF THIS COULD BE SOMEBODY ELSE'S FRONT YARD.
WE REALLY DON'T HAVE THAT, THAT ISSUE IN THIS INSTANCE.
AND NONE OF THESE LOTS ARE DEEP ENOUGH OR LARGE ENOUGH OR FEW OF THEM ARE THAT THEY COULD EVER BE SUBDIVIDED TO BUILD HOUSES FRONTING ON TRIMBLE IN THE FUTURE.
SO I THINK THE STATUS, UH, THAT STREET IS ABOUT WHAT IT'S GONNA BE.
UM, AS FAR AS UM, FENCES OR LANDSCAPE, WAS THERE ANY RECOMMENDATION FOR, SO I BELIEVE THAT THERE IS A HEDGE.
YEAH, THERE'S ALREADY A HEDGE THERE ON THE ONE SIDE, THE OTHER SIDE, IT'S THE DRIVEWAY TAKES ABOUT TWO THIRDS OF THE BACK PART OF THE PROPERTY.
THE OTHER ONE THIRD, THERE'S A CEDAR TREE, THAT'S WHERE THE SHED IS THE FENCING AND THERE IS SOME GREEN AREA THAT GROWS UP ON THE FENCE.
ACTUALLY I DID PLANT SOME STUFF THERE THIS YEAR, SO WE'LL SEE IF IT TAKES OFF.
WHAT'S THE WIDTH OF THIS? THE DRIVEWAY? NO, THE WHOLE YARD OR THE CARPORT? NO, JUST THIS CARPORT THAT YOU'RE PUTTING IN.
IT'S GONNA BE THE WHOLE DRIVEWAY.
NO, 24 BY 20 AND THE DRIVEWAY IS 27 BY 30.
SO IT'S A MAJORITY OF, AND THE 20 BY 24 DOES COMPLY WITH THE ACCESSORY STRUCTURE.
WE HAVE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ONCE WE PUT THIS ONE HERE RIGHT? WE DO.
BUT IF COUNTING THIS AS A GARAGE, I BELIEVE THE TWO ACCESSORY STRUCTURES ARE, ARE PERMITTED.
I THOUGHT IT WAS OVER A HALF OVER AN ACRE TO GET THAT.
WE COULD JUST ADD THAT AS A, AS IF NECESSARY AS AN EXCEPTION.
ESPECIALLY SINCE I'M PITCH HITTING THIS EVENING,
UM, AND MADAM CHAIR, MAYBE AFTER YOU OPEN 'EM TO THE PUBLIC, IF THERE ARE ANY CONCERNS FROM NEIGHBORS THEN MAYBE WE COULD REVISIT THE LANDSCAPING.
ISSUE AND THE UM, IN THE LETTER, THE REQUIREMENTS FOR WAIVERS FOR THE, UM, THE DRIVEWAY AND THE SHED THAT WE HAD THAT APPROVED.
WE DID APPLY AND IT WAS APPROVED.
VARIANCE OR THE APPLICATION PERMIT.
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I WASN'T AWARE OF THE REQUEST IN OR THE COMMENT IN THE TOWER DESIGN GROUP, SO I WAS NOT ABLE TO.DO YOU HAVE A COPY OF IT? JUST FOR PURPOSES OF THE RECORD? WE ARE AT EXHIBITS, SORRY, 10, WE'RE ON EXHIBIT 10.
SO THIS WILL BE LABELED EXHIBIT A 10.
AND THIS IS A V ZONING PERMIT FOR THE SHED AND FOR THE GRAVEL DRIVEWAY.
SO YES, IT IS THAT CORRECT? WELL IT'S PAVED NOW, BUT WE, AT THE TIME WE DID THAT, WE WERE TOLD IT DIDN'T MAKE A DIFFERENCE.
THEY WERE BOTH CONSIDERED IMPERVIOUS AND THAT WAS THE PAGE WAS, THAT'S THE CASE, THE CHEAPER METHOD AT THE TIME.
SO IT DOES, IT DOES STILL COUNT AS IMPERVIOUS.
THE ONLY ISSUE IS THE ORDINANCE HAS A MAXIMUM WIDTH OF THOSE OF 24 FEET AND WHAT WAS SHOWN WAS 27 FEET IN WIDTH ON THE PLAN.
SO I DON'T KNOW WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS 35 40.
SHOULD I REPEAT THAT? WHAT WAS APPROVED WAS 35 40.
THEREFORE I DON'T THINK ANY RELIEF IS NECESSARY.
THE BOARD, THE BOARD MAY WANT TO ACKNOWLEDGE THAT IN THE RESOLUTION THAT THE DRIVEWAY EXISTS AT 27 FEET WIDE AND A PERMIT WAS PREVIOUSLY ISSUED FOR THE DRIVEWAY.
AND BASED ON THE COMMENT, LESS THAN WE HAVE TO APPROVE, SOMETHING WAS SAID SOMEWHERE IN THE ORIGINAL PAPERWORK ABOUT IT SHOULD, YOU SHOULD CONSIDER BRINGING IT IN A COUPLE FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE AND THAT'S WHEN WE BROUGHT IT IN FOUR FEET OFF THE PROPERTY LINE.
SO THAT'S WHERE WE GOT TO WHERE WE'RE TODAY.
DOES ANYONE ON THE BOARD HAVE ANY QUESTIONS? OKAY.
IF YOU WANNA STEP ASIDE FOR A MOMENT, UM, CAN I HAVE A MOTION TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? THANK YOU.
UH, IF ANYONE FROM THE PUBLIC WOULD LIKE TO SPEAK ON THE APPLICATION.
ALL RIGHT SIR, BEFORE WE BEGIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? SO AFFIRM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
W-I-L-S-O-N 51 NORTH MAIN STREET.
SO I'M KIND OF LIKE A BACK, BACK NEIGHBOR TO, TO THAT JUST WANTED TO COME UP AND VOICE MY SUPPORT.
I THINK KNOWING, KNOWING THE HOUSE AND KNOWING THE PROPERTY, I THINK THAT WHATEVER GETS PUT IN THERE WILL MATCH THE AESTHETIC AND WILL BE IN A POSITIVE ADDITION TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD.
AND I ALSO JUST WANTED TO SAY THAT, ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO PARKING IN THAT AREA, I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THE RESIDENTS HAVE APPROPRIATE PROTECTION AND EVERYTHING FOR THEIR CARS.
IT'S STARTING TO GET REALLY BUSY AROUND THERE AND I THINK THIS WILL DO A REALLY GOOD JOB OF SETTING THAT APART AS A PRIVATE PARKING AREA WHERE UM, SOMETIMES THERE'S PRIVATE AREAS HAVE BEEN NOT SO PRIVATE RECENTLY
SO I JUST WANTED TO KIND OF COME UP AND MAKE THAT STATEMENT AND, AND URGE, UH, SUPPORT FOR THAT.
DO YOU WANNA RUN FOR A ZONING BOARD?
UH, SEEING NO OTHERS MOTION TO CLOSE.
I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO CLOSE BY THE SECOND.
UM, DOES ANYONE WANNA MAKE A MOTION? YEAH, I'LL, I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UH, CONTINUED UPON A CERTIFICATE OF APPROPRIATENESS AND I GUESS THAT WOULD WOULD'VE TO STATE THAT THE CARPORT WILL BE EITHER, UH, WEATHERED WOOD OR THAT IT'LL BE PAINTED MATCHING COLORS.
CRAFTSMAN STYLE, THE EXISTING HOUSE.
UM, AND THE SECOND STRUCTURE WOULD BE APPROVED IF NEEDED.
WHAT'S THAT? IT WOULD BE APPROVED IF NEEDED.
IF THEY NEED A SECOND STRUCTURE, IF THEY NEED A SECOND TRUCTURE, IT'S APPROVED.
UM, WITH A SIDE YARD STEP BACK, A FRONT YARD STEP BACK AND AN ACCESSORY STRUCTURE IN A FRONT YARD.
AND ACKNOWLEDGING AND ACKNOWLEDGING AND I THINK IT'S IMPORTANT ACKNOWLEDGING THAT THE EXISTING DRIVEWAY IS 27 FEET WIDE.
UM, AND A PER PERMIT WAS PREVIOUSLY GRANTED FOR OKAY.
PUT THAT ONTO THE APPLICANT MOTION.
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13 NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST BLOCK 31 0 4 LOT SEVEN.SEEKING A BULK VARIANCE FOR THE FRONT YARD SETBACK.
I'M YOU PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
ARE YOU THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? I AM NOT THE OWNER OF DRIVER.
SIR, ARE YOU GONNA BE PROVIDING ANY TESTIMONY TODAY? UH, YES, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH TO HELP YOU GOD? YES SIR.
PLEASE SPELL YOUR LAST AND SPELL IT FOR THE RECORD.
AND YOU'RE THE OWNER OF THE PROPERTY? YES, SIR.
UM, ARE YOU PROVIDING TESTIMONY IN YOUR PROFESSIONAL? WE CAN DO THE INTRODUCTION AND THEN KIND OF PASSES AWAY FROM ANY QUESTIONS.
DO WE NEED TO THIS HIS PROFESSION? WHAT ARE, ARE YOU, WHAT ARE YOU, WHAT CAPACITY ARE YOU HERE? UH, CONTRACTOR? NO, WE DON'T NEED HIS EXPERTISE AS A CONTRACTOR.
YOU CAN JUST PROVIDE TESTIMONY.
SO THE IDEA IS TO, UH, ENCLOSE THE EXISTING CAR REPORT.
UM, THE EXISTING STRUCTURE ALREADY HAS ONE FULL WALL ON, ON THE SIDES, AND THE OTHER SIDE IS ALREADY TWO THIRDS OF THE WAY BUILT UP WITH JUST AN OPEN PASS OF ABOUT TWO THREE FEET.
UM, THE FRONT WE'RE PROPOSING TO PUT A GARAGE DOOR ON.
UM, CURRENTLY IT IS WIDE OPEN IS THE SIDING THAT'S GONNA BE, UH, NOW IMPLEMENTED AND MATCH THE EXACT SAME SIDING THAT IS CURRENTLY PART OF THE HOUSE.
UM, AND THE WALKWAY THAT IS ACROSS THE FRONT STILL WILL REMAIN OPEN WITH THE DOORWAY THAT IS GONNA BE, UH, INSTALLED.
WE'RE NOT TOUCHING THE ROOF, WE'RE NOT MOVING THE STRUCTURE, WE'RE NOT DOING ANYTHING CRAZY WITH IT.
ANYTHING ADDED, WHICH IS JUST THAT ONE THIRD WALL WILL MATCH THE EXACT SAME THING AS DECIDING.
AND THERE WAS NO, UM, LETTER FOR THIS FROM MS. TAYLOR.
WE YEAH, WE DID NOT ISSUE A REPORT BECAUSE OF THE SIMPLICITY OF IT.
THEY ARE LITERALLY, IT'S AN EXISTING CARPORT.
THERE IS AN EXISTING NON-CONFORMING CONDITION WITH REGARD TO THE FRONT YARD SETBACK, WHICH THE CLOSEST POINT AND IT'S NOT IDENTIFIED ON THE SURVEY IS, IS PERHAPS EIGHT TO 10 FEET, UH, FROM THE RIGHT OF WAY OF NORTH LAKESIDE DRIVE WEST.
UM, SO THE APPLICANT IS PROPOSING TO JUST ENCLOSE THAT AS IS.
UH, BECAUSE WE DON'T HAVE THAT CLOSEST DIMENSION.
THE APPLICANT, UH, IF THE BOARD IS INCLINED TO IMPROVE THE APPLICATION, IT SHOULD JUST BE NOTED THAT THE FRONT WALL OF THAT GARAGE WILL GO NO CLOSER TOWARD THE RIGHT OF WAY, UH, THAN THE EXISTING STRUCTURE.
UM, THE, THE ONLY OTHER THING IS RIGHT NOW, UH, BECAUSE IT'S A CARPORT, IT HAS TO REMAIN, IT REALLY REMAINS OPEN FOR, FOR CARS ONLY.
UH, THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT SPACE TO PARK BETWEEN THE FRONT DOORS AND THE RIGHT OF WAY.
A CAR WOULD ACTUALLY EXTEND INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY.
SO THE CARS WILL NEED TO BE ABLE TO BE PARKED IN THAT GARAGE.
UM, OTHERWISE THERE WOULD NOT BE ANY, ANY OFF STREET PARKING AS REQUIRED BY THE ORDINANCE.
SO IF THE BOARD PERMITS THE ENCLOSURE, THE THE CARS WILL, WILL NEED TO BE PARKED WITHIN THE ENCLOSED GARAGE.
THERE'S NOT ENOUGH SPACE FROM THE STREET TO THERE.
SO, BECAUSE THERE LOOKS LIKE THERE'S, WHEN I LOOK AT IT, GOOGLE STREET, IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S A PARKING SLOT IN THE LEFT HAND SIDE OF IT.
THERE'S A SLOT FOR A CAR THAT'S NEAR AS WELL AS A SMALL TO THE, TO THE SIDE THIS, AND THEN RIGHT IN FRONT IT LOOKS LIKE THERE'S ALMOST ENOUGH ROOM, BUT I GUESS I CAN'T REALLY YEAH, RIGHT, RIGHT IN FRONT THE, BECAUSE THE BUILDING IS SLIGHTLY ASKEW.
IF YOU LOOK AT THAT ONE CORNER THAT'S 11.55 FEET.
AND A PARKING SPACE NEEDS TO BE 18 FEET DEEP.
AND THAT OTHER CORNER IS ACTUALLY A LITTLE CLOSER.
THAT'S WHY THERE'S THAT THE SIDE, SIDE SLOT.
SO AS FAR OF AN APPROVAL WOULD BE THAT THE CARS MUST PARK IN THE GARAGE? WELL, I THINK, I THINK TO IDENTIFY THAT THERE IS NOT SUFFICIENT SPACE FOR A CAR TO PARK IN FRONT OF THE GARAGE DOORS, THAT THAT WOULD ACTUALLY EXTEND INTO THE RIGHT OF WAY TO IDENTIFY THAT.
SO THERE'S NOT AN EXPECTATION OF THIS HOMEOWNER OR ANOTHER THAT WE, WE CAN JUST PARK HERE BECAUSE THAT, THAT COULD BE A POTENTIAL LIABILITY RIGHT.
FOR THE HOMEOWNER OR THE MUNICIPALITY MOVING FORWARD.
AND THAT THEY EITHER HAVE TO PARK IN THE DESIGNATED SLOT WHERE THERE IS SUFFICIENT SPACE OR WITHIN THE GARAGE ITSELF.
AND YOU UNDERSTAND, YOU UNDERSTAND THAT.
SO NO PARKING IN FRONT OF THE GARAGES.
ANY OTHER COMMENTS OR QUESTIONS FROM THE BOARD? NO.
YOU WANNA HAVE A SEAT AND I'LL MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN IT
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UP FOR THE PUBLIC OR ASK SOMEONE TO MAKE THE MOTION? NOPE.MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN UP PUBLIC PLEASE.
IS THERE ANYONE THAT WANTS TO SPEAK ON THIS APPLICATION FROM THE PUBLIC BEING NONE CAN HAVE A MOTION TO CLOSE.
UM, I'LL MAKE A MOTION THAT, THAT WE APPROVE IT WITH THE, UM, EXCEPTIONS THAT WE'VE PUT IN FRONT OF YOU ALREADY.
NEXT APPLICATION, BIG WILL INDUSTRIES 11 TOMLINSON MILL ROAD BLOCK 56 0 4, BLOCK SEVEN SEEKING APPROVAL FOR MINOR SITE PLAN AND USE VARIANCE FOR OFFICE SPACE AND DROP OFF CENTER FOR DONATIONS.
JUSTIN SCH TROUSER FROM THE PLAT LAW GROUP ON BEHALF OF THAT APPLICANT COUNSEL, JUST BEFORE YOU BEGIN, I KIND OF, I JUST WANTED TO ADDRESS THE BOARD ON THIS 'CAUSE THIS IS MORE OF A UNIQUE APPLICATION ALONG WITH THE PUBLIC.
SO MADAM CHAIR, IF I MAD? YES, PLEASE.
UM, MEMBERS OF THE BOARD, THIS APPLICATION IS BACK REMANDED BACK TO THIS BOARD BASED OFF OF A ORDER FROM JUDGE VERT ON NOVEMBER 21ST, 2024.
NOW, WHAT JUDGE COLVERT DID, SHE DIDN'T REMAND THIS, THIS APPLICATION BACK TO THE BOARD FOR A NEW HEARING.
SHE REMANDED THE APPLICATION BACK TO THE BOARD, ORDERING THIS BOARD TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION WITH CERTAIN CONDITIONS.
THE BASIS FOR THE COURT'S DECISION WAS THAT THE COURT FOUND THIS GOODWILL, UH, USE TO BE AN INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL USE IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE MUNICIPAL AND USE LAW AND THEREFORE WAS PARTICULARLY SUITED FOR THIS POSITION.
UM, SO THE WAY THIS PROCEDURE FOR THIS APPLICATION IS GONNA GO IS I'M GONNA EXPLAIN TO THE BOARD WHAT THE NEW CONDITIONS ARE THAT HAVE BEEN ASSIGNED TO IT BASED OFF THE COURT'S ORDER, AND THEN THERE WILL BE A PUBLIC HEARING UNLESS COUNSEL HAS ANYTHING THAT, UM, HE WOULD LIKE TO ADD.
UM, BUT ESSENTIALLY THIS BOARD HAS BEEN ORDERED TO APPROVE THIS APPLICATION SUBJECT TO THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS.
CAN I ASK A QUESTION BEFORE YOU READ THOSE? ABSOLUTELY.
CAN WE ADD ANYTHING TO THIS? YOU CAN CERTAINLY ASK.
FIRST, FIRST, THE FIRST CONDITION IS THAT THE APPLICANT WILL COMPLY WITH ALL TERMS AND CONDITIONS SET FORTH IN THE REVIEW LETTERS FROM MICHELLE AND TAYLOR DATED OCTOBER 31ST, 2023 AND CHRISTOPHER NOLL DATED NOVEMBER 28TH, 2023.
THE SITE WILL BE OPEN FROM 8:00 AM UNTIL 7:00 PM MONDAY THROUGH SUNDAY AND 10:00 AM TO 6:00 PM ON SUNDAY.
THERE WILL BE A TOTAL OF 18 PARKING SPACES ON THE PROPERTY TO SERVICE THE ENTIRE PLAZA.
ONLY 28 FEET BOX TRUCKS WILL BE ALLOWED ON SITE TO PICK UP INVENTORY.
THERE'LL BE NO, NO OTHER TRUCKS LARGER SERVICING THE PROPERTY.
THE SITE WILL HAVE TWO TO THREE EMPLOYEES PER SHIFT.
THERE'LL BE NO HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCES SUCH AS TIRES OR APPLIANCES RECEIVED.
THERE WILL BE NO MORE THAN ONE BOX TRUCK ON THE SITE AT ANY TIME AND ONLY DURING OPEN BUSINESS HOURS.
THE SITE WILL NOT GENERATE ANY NOISE ISSUES OFFSITE.
THE PARKING SPACES WILL BE RETRIED.
THERE WILL BE A 25.69 FOOT ACCESS AISLE FOR INBOUND TRAFFIC AND A 25.49 FOOT ACCESS AISLE FOR OUTBOUND TRAFFIC.
THERE WILL BE AN AUTOMATIC MIDDLE SLIDING DOOR IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE INGRESS AND ING EGRESS ARROWS WILL BE PAINTED FOR DIRECTING PUR PURPOSES.
THE OFFICE WILL BE APPROXIMATELY 100 SQUARE FEET FROM WITH A BATHROOM.
THERE WILL BE ONE WAY TRAFFIC INTO AND OUT OF THE SITE WEST TO EAST.
THE SITE WILL UTILIZE EXISTING ROADWAYS AND WILL NOT REQUIRE CONSTRUCTION OF NEW ROADS.
THE APPLICANT WILL INSTALL LED LIGHTING.
THE PARKING LOT WILL BE IMPROVED WITH UPGRADED LIGHTS.
THE APPLICANT WILL UNDERTAKE A NIGHTLIGHT FUNCTION TEST BEFORE CERTIFICATE OF OCCUPANCIES ISSUED.
SO THOSE ARE THE CONDITIONS THAT ARE BEING IMPOSED BY THE COURT.
UM, COUNSEL, YOU'RE WELCOME TO ELABORATE ON ANYTHING FURTHER YOU'D LIKE TO ADD.
UM, AT ONE POINT WE WILL NEED TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC TO, UM, DISCUSS THE CONDITIONS AND WHAT HAPPENED.
BUT THERE WILL BE NO NEW TESTIMONY.
BUT MR. UH, VICE CHAIR, RICK, YOU'RE CERTAINLY ENTITLED TO ASK FOR ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS.
I, MY MY MAIN CONCERN WAS JUST THE PARKING LOT ITSELF.
WE SAW IN THE PACKAGE, THE STRIPING AND, AND THE DIRECTION THAT THERE WERE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WERE GONNA BE MADE TO THAT PARKING LOT.
DID THAT CHANGE FROM THE ORIGINAL TIME YOU SAW? SORRY, I THAT I DON'T KNOW.
LEMME JUST HERE ON BEHALF OF, UH, MY ASSOCIATE, UH, PERSONAL BECAUSE I SAW YOU MENTION SOME SIZING OF IT COMING IN AND GOING OUT.
BUT THEY WERE GONNA CHANGE THE WAY THAT THEY WERE PARKING.
THEY WERE GONNA HAVE SOME PARKING DOWN THE SIDES AND SOME ANGLES WERE GONNA BE CHANGED, I BELIEVE, TO THE PARKING ITSELF.
SO YOU COULD GET MORE VEHICLES IN THERE.
THE PARKING LOTS WOULD BE RES STRIPPED AS THEY TESTIFIED TO, UM, OR ORIGINALLY AT THE TIME OF THE PUBLIC.
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QUESTION.SO STRIPINGS ADEQUATE, I MEAN AS FAR AS THE ANGLES AND PLACEMENT OF THE PARKING IS WHAT YOU'RE CONCERNED WITH? YEAH.
'CAUSE I THINK THERE WAS 12 PARKING, I BELIEVE, I BELIEVE YOU WERE CORRECT.
AND ACTUALLY ON PAGE ME, MR. VARGA, THE ONLY THING I I WOULD INDICATE ARE THE REPORT THAT WE HAD ISSUED THAT WERE, THAT WAS IDENTIFIED BY MR. VARGA AS COMPLIANCE WITH THAT 18 PARTS, WE HAD MADE RECOMMENDATIONS REGARDING IMPROVING THE SITE CIRCULATION.
AND I, AND I BELIEVE MR. NO DID AS WELL.
SO I THINK THROUGH RESOLUTION, COMPLIANCE, UM, THOSE CHANGES, CHANGES HAVE A SUGGESTION OR SOMETHING AND I WANTED TO MAKE SURE THAT WAS WHAT WE WERE DOING.
SO I THINK RES STRIPING AND RECONFIGURATION AND MAKE THAT CIRCULATION BE THE BEST IT CAN BE FOR THAT CONSTRAINED SITE.
WOULD BE SORT OF INCLUDED WITHIN THAT.
THE RECOMMENDATIONS OF THOSE BOARD REPORTS THROUGH RESOLUTION COMPLIANCE.
CAN I ASK REAL QUICK ABOUT THAT STEEL DOOR, THE PLACEMENT? WHERE WAS THAT AT? YOU MENTIONED A DOOR FOR TO RECEIVE, UH, DROP OFFS.
THE DROP OFFS FOR THE CONDITION THERE WOULD BE AN AUTOMATIC MIDDLE SLIDING DOOR IN THE FRONT OF THE BUILDING TO PROVIDE ADEQUATE INGRESS AND EGRESS.
AND THEN I BELIEVE THE DROP OFFS WOULD BE IN THE REAR OF THE SITE AS WELL.
AND IS IT, UH, BASICALLY A SLIDING DOOR IN THE FRONT? CORRECT.
I THOUGHT THAT WAS FOR THE DROP OFFS ALSO.
THEY WERE GONNA COME OUT THE SLIDING DOOR, GET THE STUFF FROM THE PARKING LOT AND THE REAR SLIDING DOOR WAS GOING TO BE FOR GOING OUT OF THE BUILDING INTO THE BOX TRUCK.
WELL, OKAY, SO WE HAVE SLIDING DOORS, UH, IN THE FRONT LAST SLIDING DOORS.
THEIR PEOPLE GO OUT GLASS SLIDING DOORS RIGHT.
AND THE REAR THE CARS AND THEY WALK BACK IN THEMSELVES TAKING THE STUFF WITH THEM AND IT GOES INTO A SORTING PLACE.
GOES OUT THE BACK DOOR TO THE PLACE THAT, THAT'S FINE.
I DON'T, I DON'T CARE WHAT THE SLIDING DOOR IS, HOW THAT'S CONSTRUCTED IN THE REAR BECAUSE I WON'T SEE IT, BUT THE FRONTING DOOR, FRONT DOOR IS THE SLIDING DOORS.
JUST WANTED TO BE CLEAR ON THAT.
UM, I GUESS AT SOME POINT WE WILL, WE WILL DISCUSS ABOUT THE POSSIBILITY OF ADDING OTHER CONDITIONS.
UM, DO YOU HAVE ANY SUGGESTIONS? WELL, I, MY, MY CONCERN ABOUT THIS, I, I'D LIKE THE CONDITIONS IMPOSED IS ANY ACCUMULATION OF JUNK, YOU KNOW, I, I'M SORRY, MAYBE I USE THE WRONG WORD WHEN I SAID JUNK, BUT PRODUCTS, UM, YOU KNOW, I PASSED THE GOODWILL DOWN AT HARTFORD ROAD.
UM, YOU KNOW, THIS WEEKEND THERE WAS, UH, A LOT OF PALLETS AND BOXES OUT FRONT.
I MEAN, FRANKLY I THOUGHT IT LOOKED TRASHY AND I'M CONCERNED THAT THAT MIGHT HAPPEN WITH THIS DROP OFF.
IS THERE ANY EXCLUSIONS OR ANYTHING IN THERE ABOUT HAVING ANYTHING STORED OUTSIDE OR KEPT OUTSIDE FOR ANY PERIOD OF TIME? BECAUSE I WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT DURING THEIR TESTIMONY THE FIRST TIME THAT EVERYTHING WAS GONNA BE BROUGHT IN IMMEDIATE.
THAT'S MY UNDERSTANDING OF THE TESTIMONY.
I'M JUST REVIEWING THE COURT'S ORDER.
IF SHE IMPOSED THAT SPECIFICALLY, DIDN'T SEE IN YOUR, BUT THEY WOULD BE BULLET POINTS, BUT THEY WOULD BE BOUND BY THEIR TESTIMONY AT THE TIME OF THE APPLICATION.
COUNSEL, DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO REPRESENTING THAT THERE WOULD BE TESTIMONY? NO.
AND DO YOU HAVE ANY OBJECTION TO, UM, BOUNDING THE BINDING THE APPLICANT THAT, UH, THERE WILL BE NO OVERNIGHT STORAGE OF MATERIALS OUTSIDE? NOT, I MEAN STORAGE HOURLY OR WHATEVER, LIKE YOU CAN'T JUST KEEP STUFF IN THE PARKING LOT OR OUTSIDE IN FRONT OF THE BUILDING FOR THREE OR FOUR HOURS.
THAT STUFF IS BEING SORTED INSIDE.
WAS THE TESTIMONY THAT I HEARD.
IS THAT ACCURATE? I WASN'T HERE FOR THE TESTIMONY.
I, I'M NOT PERSONALLY COMFORTABLE ADDING ANY ADDITIONAL CONDITIONS TO THIS RESOLUTION.
UM, I WILLING TO BE BOUND BY THE TESTIMONY, BUT, SO IF YOU'RE A, SO IF YOUR PROFESSIONALS TESTIFIED TO, OR APPLICANT TESTIFIED TO THE EFFECT THAT THERE'LL BE NO OUTDOOR STORAGE, YOU WOULD BE WILLING TO COMPLY WITH THAT CONDITION AS WELL? WELL THAT WHAT YOU JUST READ WAS IN THEIR ORIGINAL TESTIMONY, CORRECT? NO, NO.
I'M, I'M READING THROUGH HE, HE'S ASKING IF THAT WAS THE, IF THAT IS THE TESTIMONY THAT YOU WOULD BE AGREEABLE TO.
IT'S JUST, BUT I MEAN IT MAY HAVE EVEN BEEN IN MICHELLE'S LETTER, IN HER REVIEW LETTER REGARDING THAT CONCERN.
SO, UM, IT MAY NOT BE AN ISSUE, BUT I THINK IT NEEDS TO BE AND IF CONFIRMED AND, AND IF THE TESTIMONY WAS THE LOADING AND UNLOADING WOULD OCCUR INSIDE THE BUILDING AND UNLESS THE BOARD SPECIFICALLY EVALUATED AND APPROVED THE OUTDOOR STORAGE,
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THEN IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.EVEN IF THE ORDINANCE WAS, OR EVEN IF THE HEARINGS WERE SILENT.
AND I'LL LIKE TO RUN THIS BY MR. VARGA.
IF THE ISSUE OF OUTDOOR STORAGE WAS SILENT DURING THE HEARINGS, THEN IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
SO UNLESS THIS THIS BOARD SPECIFICALLY APPROVED THE OUTDOOR STORAGE OF THOSE MATERIALS, IT WOULD NOT BE PERMITTED.
AND THERE'S NO, THERE'S NO DISCUSSION IN THE COURT ORDER PERMIT STORAGE.
YOU WOULD BE WITHIN YOUR RIGHT.
STUFF AND SO SHE DOESN'T PERMIT OUTDOOR STORAGE'S NOT PERMITTED.
SO THE JUDGE DOES NOT PERMIT OUTDOOR STORAGE.
ARE WE READY TO OPEN IT UP TO THE PUBLIC? ANY OTHER QUESTIONS? OKAY.
UM, CAN I MAKE A MOTION TO OPEN THIS UP TO THE PUBLIC? I'LL SECOND OR I'LL MAKE A MOTION
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
I WAS HERE FOR THE HEARING LAST YEAR AND SPOKE AGAINST IT.
UM, I DO RECALL SAME CONVERSATION THAT, THAT YOU DID.
I JUST WANNA BE CLEAR IN MY MIND OF AS WHAT HAPPENED HERE.
ARE YOU SAYING THAT THE JUDGE IS COMPELLING THIS BOARD TO APPROVE THE APPLICATION? YES.
SO WHAT HAPPENED HERE WAS THE APPLICANT AFTER THE APPLICATION WAS DENIED RIGHT.
AND THE WE, THERE WAS A BRIEFING SCHEDULE.
THERE WAS A HEARING AND THE COURT FOUND THAT THIS BOARD ACTED ARBITRARY AND CAPRICIOUS CAPRICIOUSLY IN DENYING THE APPLICATION.
'CAUSE THE COURT FOUND THAT THIS PROPOSED USE IS INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL, UM, FOR THE PURPOSES OF ZONING.
UM, AND BECAUSE OF THAT, SHE REMANDED THE MATTER BACK TO THE BOARD FOR AN ORDER ORDERING THE BOARD TO ISSUE A RESOLUTION APPROVING THE PROPOSED USE WITH THE CONDITIONS THAT I READ IN THE BEGINNING.
SO, SO, SO DESPITE ALL THE TESTIMONY FROM THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE IN THAT AREA, THAT IS NOT BENEFICIAL TO ANY OF US.
THAT THIS JUDGE STILL, SHE IS COMPELLING THIS BOARD TO DO IT.
WHAT'S THAT JUDGE'S NAME? THIS IS
SHE'S NOT GONNA ELECT ME SAYING THIS, BUT THIS IS JUDGE, THIS IS, THIS IS JUDGE COVERT.
I'M SORRY YOU PUT IN THIS POSITION.
I'M SORRY THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO BEAR THE FRONT OF IT.
JUST IF I CAN CLARIFY ONE THING JUST EVEN BEFORE JUST TO FOLLOW UP.
IN THE BOARD'S RESOLUTION 2024 DASH NINE, UNDER THE FIFTH BULLET POINT UNDER MR. BOYD'S TESTIMONY, IT IDENTIFIES THAT ALL ITEMS DONATED WILL BE STORED INDOORS WITH NO OUTDOOR STORAGE PROPOSED.
BEFORE YOU BEGIN, DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM AND TELL THE TRUTH, NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? I SURE DO.
NOW, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
AND I ALSO WAS HERE THROUGH ALL THE VARIOUS, UH, MEETINGS THAT, THAT DELAYED AND ET CETERA.
I'M JUST CURIOUS, SO IF THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO HAVE THE STORAGE STUFF LIKE THAT HARTFORD GROVE, WILL THERE BE FINES INVOLVED IF EVERY TIME WE DRIVE BY, THEY HAVE THOSE CONTAINERS OUT THERE? SO THIS BOARD ISN'T IN THE POSITION TO SAY YES OR NO, RATHER WHETHER FINES WOULD BE IMPOSED.
'CAUSE THIS BOARD IS NOT THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY.
THAT WOULD BE THE ZONING OFFICIAL.
UH, THERE ARE ZONING, ZONING ORDINANCES AND THERE ARE WAYS TO EN ENFORCE COMPLIANCE.
BUT THAT WOULD BE UP TO THIS BOARD TO SAY YES OR NO.
TO SAY THAT THERE'S A FINE, THERE HAS TO BE SOME PENALTY 'CAUSE WE SEE HOW TRASHY MM-HMM
THAT WOULD BE UP TO THE ZONING OFFICIAL AND THE TOWNSHIP AS THE ENFORCEMENT AGENCY FOR WHETHER OR NOT THE USE COMPLIES WITH THAT WHICH WAS APPROVED.
BECAUSE IT JUST BE NICE TO HAVE THAT AST BECAUSE THAT WAY IT STAYS NICE.
BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY MEDFORD DIDN'T WANT IT, BUT IT GOT IN ANYWAY.
THE OTHER THING IS, IS THERE A WAY TO PUT A TURN LANE IN THERE THAT AT THE COST OF GOODWILL FOR MAKING A LEFT TURN? BECAUSE ANYONE MAKING A LEFT TURN, TWO LANES, ONE GOING THIS WAY, ONE GOING THIS WAY.
DO I WANNA MAKE A LEFT HAND TURN IN THE MIDDLE OF TRAFFIC? IT'S GONNA BACK UP PAST THE RED LIGHT ON TON BOULEVARD ON
AND EVERYBODY HAS TO WAIT WHILE THE TRACTOR TRAILERS GO IN.
WHILE THE CARS GO IN IS CRAZY.
MR. TARRELL, DO YOU RECALL IF IT WAS A FULL ACCESS DRIVEWAY OR IF IT WAS A RIGHT TURN AND RIGHT TURNOUT? IT'S A CIRCULAR ONE WAY IN.
RIGHT? IT'S CERTAIN RIGHT DOWN.
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NOT ONE WAY.PEOPLE GOING MO MOST IT WILL BE STRIP ONE WAY IN AND OUT.
THAT WAS ONE OF THIS CONFIRMATION.
WE ALSO, I DON'T THINK THERE WERE ANY LIMITATIONS.
ANXIOUS AND THEY DON'T WANT TO WAIT.
SO PEOPLE ARE GONNA GO IN THE OTHER WAY REGARDLESS AND PASS PEOPLE.
IT'S GONNA BE A ZOO, BUT THERE DEFINITELY HAS TO BE A TURN LEAVE BECAUSE TRAFFIC PEOPLE COMING OUT ARE GONNA BLOCK THE TRAFFIC COMING TOWARDS
THERE'S NO SHOULDER, THERE'S AN ETER LANE.
HOW DO YOU, HOW DO YOU, IS THAT FAIR TO EVERYONE TRYING TO GET TO WORK? EIGHT O'CLOCK PEOPLE ARE GOING TO WORK AND IF YOU'VE EVER GONE DOWN TO MILL ROAD, GET EIGHT O'CLOCK, IT'S BUMPER TO BUMPER ROAD, FIVE O'CLOCK, FOUR O'CLOCK COMING BACK.
YOU CAN'T HOLD UP BECAUSE I'M BRINGING MY U-HAUL TRUCK BECAUSE I'M CLEANING OUT MY HOUSE, I'M LEAVING AND I'M DROPPING EVERYTHING OFF THERE.
YOU CAN'T TELL ME I CAN'T GO IN THERE WITH MY BIG TRUCK AND I DON'T KNOW HOW TO DRIVE THAT WELL AROUND THE THING.
SO I'M GONNA NAVIGATE AROUND ALL THE PARKED CARS.
IT'S, IT'S GONNA BE A ZOO, BUT THERE HAS TO BE A TURN LANE BECAUSE THERE'S A TON OF LANDSCAPE TRUCKS THAT GO IN THERE FOR LUNCH ALREADY WITH TRAILERS.
SO MADAM CHAIR, UNFORTUNATELY WERE BOUND BY THE DESIGN OF THE SITE LAYOUT AT THE TIME OF THE INITIAL APPLICATION.
UM, AND THAT'S A COUNTY, RIGHT? ALSO, I BELIEVE, WELL MAYBE THEY COULD, WE COULD APPLY TO THE COUNTY OR THEY COULD APPLY TO THE COUNTY.
I MEAN, THAT'S BEFORE, BEFORE THEY'RE ALLOWED TO DO BUSINESS THAT'S OUTSIDE THIS BOARD'S JURISDICTION AT THIS TIME, WHAT WAS PREVIOUSLY DENIED THAT BOX OF HOW IT WAS DESIGNED IS EXACTLY HOW THIS BOARD HAS TO APPROVE IT.
THE BOARD CAN'T REQUIRE DIFFERENT SITE DESIGNS AND SITE LAYOUT OUTS.
I GUESS IF THERE'S ENOUGH ACCIDENTS THERE, AT SOME POINT WE'RE GONNA HAVE TO DO SOMETHING.
WELL, YOU KNOW, AND, AND IN A WAY YOU'RE RIGHT, BUT I MEAN, PEOPLE WILL MAKE FOUR DECISIONS.
I MEAN, THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PARKING LOT THERE IF THAT IS STILL FOR A LARGE TRUCK, BUT YOU GO BY THERE SATURDAY IT'S FILLED, BUT THAT'S ON THAT PERSON.
WHOEVER MAKES THAT TURN, I GUESS, YOU KNOW, I MEAN, THE POOR GUY THAT GETS HIT WHEN THEY'RE NOT, I I NO, I I'M NOT DISAGREEING WITH THE, UH, LIMITATIONS ON THE PARKING LOT.
IT'S, IT'S NOT WELL FOR LARGE TRUCKS TO BE PULLING IN THERE, YOU KNOW, ON A REGULAR BASIS.
BUT AS FAR AS GOODWILL, WE'RE LIMITED TO ONE TRUCK A DAY.
I THINK YOU SAID THEY ARE LIMITED TO ONE TRUCK A DAY.
NOW IF THE PERSON WOULD RENTING THE U-HAUL, THEY WANNA MAKE THAT TURN.
NO, I DON'T THINK YOU CAN MAKE THAT TURN.
I, I, I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO TELL YOU.
YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT PARKING LOT IS WHAT IT IS.
YOU KNOW, I JUST WANNA MAKE SURE THERE'S SOME TEETH THAT, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THEY WON, THEY GOT THEIR WAY, BUT WE ALSO LIVE IN THIS TOWN AND WE PAY PROPERTY TAXES AND EVERYTHING ELSE.
SO WE SHOULDN'T BE INCONVENIENCED.
WE JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY COMPLY BY WHAT THEY PROMISED.
YEAH, I, I FULLY UNDERSTAND YOUR APPEAL.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TO TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? SO AFFIRM, PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
W-Y-L-S-O-N 51 NORTH MAIN STREET.
UM, UN UNDERSTANDABLE THAT YOUR HANDS ARE TIED HERE AND THAT THE DECISION WAS ACTUALLY TAKEN AWAY FROM YOU AND ACTUALLY REVERSED, WHICH I THINK IS WORSE.
I THINK IT'S BORING THAT GOODWILL, A NOT-FOR-PROFIT ORGANIZATION MAKES BILLIONS OF DOLLARS, WOULD SPEND THEIR MONEY TO GO TO COURT TO OVERRIDE THE WILL OF, OF A TOWN.
I THINK IT'S ALSO BORING THAT THEY WOULD SEND A LAWYER WHO DOESN'T EVEN SEEM TO BE KNOWLEDGEABLE ABOUT THE, THE CASE THAT WENT TO COURT OR THE PREVIOUS, UH, HEARINGS.
UM, JUST WANTED TO HAVE THAT ON THE RECORD.
UM, I WOULD URGE IF YOU, IF IT'S ALLOWED TO MAKE IT A NO LEFT TURN OUT OF THAT PARKING LOT, IF THAT'S, I DON'T KNOW IF THAT'S CONSIDERED SITE PLAN, BUT I DEFINITELY THINK THAT YOU ARE GOING TO ABSOLUTELY SEE ACCIDENTS THERE AS A RESULT OF THIS.
AND YOUR EMPLOYER WILL BE, THE RESULT WILL BE THE CAUSE OF THAT.
AND YOU CAN SIT UP HERE AND I UNDERSTAND THAT IT'S A PAYCHECK AND WE ALL HAVE TO COLLECT ONE, BUT WHILE YOU'RE HERE, YOU'RE THEIR REPRESENTATIVE AND YOU'RE GONNA UNDERSTAND THAT THEY ARE USING THEIR MONEY.
THERE ARE MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS THAT THEY COLLECT FROM SELLING FREE, FREE DONATIONS THAT THEY GET AND THEN THEY RESELL AND THEN THEY SPEND THAT MONEY TO OVERRIDE THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE WHILE THEY'RE PAYING THEIR EXECUTIVES HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS.
AND SO THAT SHOULD BE ON RECORD.
AND I WOULD AGAIN, URGE YOU TO TAKE EVERY AVAILABLE RESOURCE TO DIRECT TRAFFIC PROPERLY, TO PUT ADDITIONAL RESTRICTIONS ON THAT GO BEYOND THE SITE PLAN IN ORDER TO MAKE IT PAINFUL FOR YOU.
BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU'RE MAKING IT FOR US.
YOU'RE MAKING IT PAINFUL FOR THE PEOPLE THAT LIVE AROUND THERE TO GET AROUND AND TO DRIVE.
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WE'RE VERY LIMITED.THE BOARD, WE ALL UNDERSTAND YOUR FRUSTRATION.
IS, IS, IS TRAFFIC, IS TRAFFIC DIRECTION OUT OF THE THING.
PART OF THE SITE PLAN THOUGH, THAT WOULD'VE BEEN PART OF THE SITE PLAN.
UM, IT'S IN THE PLANS IT WAS TESTIFIED TO BY THEIR TRAFFIC ENGINEER.
I JUST CANDIDLY DO NOT RECALL THE EXACT DRIVEWAY, ACCESS AISLE OF, 'CAUSE I KNOW THERE WAS A, THERE'S A CONDITION OF APPROVAL WHICH INDICATES THAT, UH, BEAR WITH ME THERE WILL BE ONE WAY TRAFFIC INTO AND OUT OF THE SITE WEST TO EAST, BUT I DO NOT RECALL WHICH, HOW EXACTLY THAT DRIVE AISLE WAS DESIGNED.
UM, BUT AT THE END OF THE DAY, THIS BOARD IS NOT PERMITTED TO ADD ADDITIONAL, UM, REQUIREMENTS OR DIFFERENT REVISIONS TO THE SITE PLAN BECAUSE THEY DID HAVE AN EXPERT AT THE TIME, UM, WHO DID TESTIFY THAT AT CERTAIN PEAK HOURS THEY WOULD OPERATE AT LEVELS OF SERVICE OF A, WHICH IS THE VERY BEST AND AT OTHER TIMES IT WOULD ACT AT OPERATE AT LEVELS OF SERVICE OF C, WHICH IS STILL ACCEPTABLE, UM, PURSUANT TO OR STATE REGULATIONS.
SO UNFORTUNATELY, LIKE WE, EVERYBODY CAN SYMPATHIZE AND UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
IS THERE ANYTHING THAT CAN BE DONE WITH THE APPELLATE COURT IS COVERT THE, THE FINAL SAY ON THIS MATTER AT THIS TIME? UM, I WOULD HAVE TO CHECK IN, SEE IF WE HAVE A CHANCE, BUT IT WAS DECLARED INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL.
THERE ARE MULTIPLE COURTS ACROSS THE COUNT, ACROSS THE STATE, WHICH HAVE ALL HELD THIS EXACT SAME, USED TO BE INHERENTLY BENEFICIAL.
JUDGE T'S OPINION ISN'T NECESSARILY WHAT WE WOULD CALL THE OUTLIER.
UM, IT IS IN CONFORMANCE WITH THE GENERAL TREND IN THE STATE.
UM, SO YOU'D YOU'D ESSENTIALLY BE SPENDING BEST SPENDING BAD MONEY FOR A WIN THAT'S MOST LIKELY NOT WINNABLE.
I, YOU KNOW, I THINK THAT THERE ARE, THERE HAS BEEN RECENT PRECEDENT WHERE DECIDED PRECEDENT HAS BEEN OVERTURNED BOTH AT NATIONAL AND STATE LEVEL.
AND MAYBE IT'S TIME TO BRING IN PEOPLE THAT FIGHT AGAINST GIANT CORPORATIONS THAT GO AGAINST THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO TAKE UP THAT, THAT CAUSE.
UM, I THINK THAT'S, THAT'S DISGUSTING.
AND YOUR, YOUR, YOUR EMPLOYER'S DISCUSSING JUST ASKING NOT TO ATTACK COUNSEL.
I, I I UNDERSTAND THE FRUSTRATION.
JUST, I YOU'RE NOT, YOU'RE NOTED.
JUST DON'T, I'M NOT ATTACKING COUNSEL.
JUST, JUST PUTTING IT ON THE RECORD.
YOU CLIENT IS DISGUSTING FOR DOING THAT, FOR TAKING THEIR MONEY AND WIELDING IT LIKE A CLUB AGAINST THE TOWN THAT SIMPLY DOESN'T HAVE THE RESOURCES TO GO UP AND TRY TO OVERTURN PRECEDENT LIKE THAT.
I THINK THERE'S A, A STRONG WILL OF THE PEOPLE TO SET TO PUSH BACK AGAINST GIANT CORPORATIONS, BUT THEY HAVE THE MONEY AND WE DON'T AND THAT'S A SHAME.
MA'AM, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH SO HELP YOU GOD? I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
SO IS, IS IT ONE BOX TRUCK THAT'S GONNA PICK UP PER DAY THE GOODS THAT ARE GONNA BE DROPPED OFF OR IS IT JUST ONE AT A TIME? ONE AT POINT UP, ONE AT A TIME? YES.
THE AMOUNT OF TRA, I MEAN, I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE LIVES IN LAKE PINE OR NEAR LAKE PINE OR ON TAUNTON ROAD.
IF YOU EVER GO TO A TOWN COUNCIL MEETING THAT THEY HAVE EVERY MONTH, THERE'S BEEN A FIGHT FOR A YEAR AND A HALF ON THE TRAFFIC ON TAUNTON ROAD.
AND I WAS READING ABOUT THIS, I GUESS THE LAST HEARING.
WASN'T THERE SUPPOSED TO BE A REDO OF THE TRAFFIC PATTERN OR HOW MANY CARS? 'CAUSE IT SEEMED THERE WAS A DISCREPANCY IN WHAT WAS TESTIFIED FOR OF HOW MANY CARS ARE ACTUALLY ON TOMLINSON MILL OR ON TAUNTON ROAD FROM WHAT THEY TESTIFIED WITH.
ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT THIS INSTANT APPLICATION? MM-HMM
BUT FROM WHAT I READ, WAS IT INCORRECT OR THEY WANTED THEM TO GO BACK AND REDO IT? THAT WAS FOR NO, A DIFFERENT ROAD WE TOLD ABOUT THE MEETING THAT HAPPENED JUST LAST WEEK.
WELL I COULD BE WRONG, BUT THE AMOUNT OF TRAFFIC THAT'S ALREADY THERE, I MEAN, I'VE LIVED IN LAKE PINE, I'VE LIVED IN MEDFORD FOR 40 YEARS.
I'VE ALMOST BEEN HIT HEAD ON COMING FROM TOMLINSON MILL TO TRY TO TURN LEFT ONTO TAUNTON BECAUSE THERE'S A TURNING LANE TO GET ONTO TAUNTON AT THE LIGHT.
AND NOBODY, I MEAN, I KNOW YOU CAN'T GO AGAINST THE TRAFFIC.
EVERYONE DOES WHAT THEY WANT TO DO AS THEY'RE DRIVING, BUT I'M IN THE RIGHT OF WAY AND PEOPLE GO THERE 'CAUSE THEY WANT TO TURN INTO WHERE LEO'S IS OR THEY WANT TO TURN INTO WHERE DONKEYS IS.
A METRO LAKES POLICE OFFICER WAS HIT AT THAT INTERSECTION OVER THE SUMMER.
THE TRAFFIC IN MEDFORD IS JUST
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OUT OF CONTROL.THE BOX TRUCKS, THE TAUNTON CAN'T HANDLE THAT KIND OF TRAFFIC ANYMORE.
THE, THE AMOUNT OF BUILDING THAT'S GOING ON IN THIS TOWN IS UNBELIEVABLE.
BUT I JUST DON'T SEE HOW ONE BOX TRUCK COMING IN AND PICKING UP ALL THE GOODS.
WHEN EVERYONE'S SAYING, WHEN YOU LOOK AT WHAT'S GOING ON ON HARTFORD ROAD, THERE'S BOXES AND BOXES AND PALLETS AND DIFFERENT THINGS ALL OVER THE PLACE.
I DON'T THINK THEY'RE GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THE AMOUNT OF VOLUME OF WHAT PEOPLE WILL, WHAT IS IT? WE'RE THE HIGHEST DONATION IN THE STATE OR SOMETHING.
THEY'RE NOT GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT VOLUME WITH ONE BOX TRUCK COMING TO PICK UP THE GOODS.
I THINK THEY'RE GOING TO, IT IS GOING TO BE OUTSIDE.
I DON'T, I DON'T THINK THAT SMALL AREA'S GONNA BE ABLE TO KEEP UP WITH THAT.
THEY'RE COMING IN WITH TRACTOR TRAILERS AT THE ONE ON HARTFORD, ONE BOX TRUCK, HOWEVER OFTEN THEY'RE GONNA BE DOING IT ISN'T GOING TO BE ABLE TO KEEP UP THE VOLUME.
WELL THAT, THAT'S WHY WE ASKED BECAUSE I'M SORRY.
I'M SAYING THAT'S WHY WE ASKED THE QUESTION.
UM, AND I, I THINK YOUR POINT IS THAT IF THIS IS GETTING A HIGH VOLUME OF DONATIONS, HOW ARE THEY GOING TO BE ABLE TO, YOU KNOW, CLEAR IT OUT? 'CAUSE IT'S A SMALL STORE, THEY DON'T HAVE A LOT OF AREA BACK THERE.
BUT AGAIN, AND JUST THE TRAFFIC.
I MEAN, TURNING LEFT OUT OF THERE I DON'T THINK IS EVER GONNA HAPPEN.
I I MEAN YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT ON THE OTHER SIDE IF YOU'RE PICKING UP SOMETHING FROM WHERE, UM, LOS IS, YOU CAN'T TURN LEFT BACK ONTO THOMAS AND MILL.
IT'S JUST THAT INTERSECTION IS JUST TOO HIGH A VOLUME FOR SOMETHING.
I THINK THAT I, I LIVED IN THE AREA.
YOU KNOW, IT'S LIKE I'M JUST, I KNOW IT DOESN'T SEEM LIKE WE CAN REALLY DO ANYTHING, BUT I JUST WANTED TO VOICE MY OPINION.
SO WE CARE APPRECIATE OPINION, WE CARE ABOUT THIS TOWN AND I'VE LIVED HERE MOST OF MY LIFE, SO I'M SURE YOU GUYS ALL CARE ABOUT THE TOWN, BUT THANK YOU.
ALL RIGHT, WELL THANK YOU
COME JOIN THE BOARD NEXT TIME
SO YOU CAN, YOU CAN SIT UP HERE AND SIR, PLEASE RAISE YOUR RIGHT HAND.
DO YOU SWEAR OR AFFIRM TELL THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH, SO HELP YOU GOD? YES I DO.
PLEASE STATE YOUR NAME AND SPELL YOUR LAST FOR THE RECORD.
UH, PAUL WIFE Y I'M SO SORRY SIR.
FIRST NAME FULL, TAKE IT AWAY.
I AGREE WITH EVERYBODY WHAT THEY SAID.
UH, GOODWILL INDUSTRIES IS A $7 BILLION A YEAR REVENUE CONCERN.
AND, UH, THE CEO FOR GOODWILL, HIS SALARY OF COMP, HIS COMPENSATION, $1,188,000 PER YEAR.
SO WE'RE REALLY AT A DISADVANTAGE IN TRYING TO COME UP AGAINST THAT TYPE OF FINANCES.
THE TRAFFIC IS UNBELIEVABLE AND YOU, YOU TURNED IT DOWN A YEAR AGO AND NOTHING HAS CHANGED.
THE TRAFFIC THAT'S GOING TO COME, IT'S GONNA COME FROM MORTON.
SO THE KINGS GRANT BARTON'S RUNNING AND EVERYTHING OVER THERE.
AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO COME AND THAT'S WHAT'S GOING TO, IT'S JUST GONNA, THAT PARKING LOT IS GONNA BE A DISASTER.
THE ONE THAT'S UP ON HARTFORD ROAD, THEY HAVE A, A SIGN THAT SAYS, PLEASE, UH, UH, WE WILL PROSECUTE ANYBODY DUMPING THEIR TRASH THERE.
WELL THE REASON THEY PUT THAT SIGN THERE IS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE DOING EXACTLY THAT.
THEY'RE JUST BRINGING ANY TRASH THAT THEY HAVE AND DON'T MAKE IT RIGHT, RIGHT THERE.
ANDY WILL DO THE SAME THING, WENT FORTH.
THE TRAFFIC IS JUST UNBELIEVABLE.
AND I THINK WHAT REALLY NEEDS TO DO IS YOU NEED TO REALLY STOP 'EM.
YOU NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING AND STOP 'EM FROM JUST DOING IT.
IF THEY WANT TO PUT SOMETHING UP, LET 'EM PUT IT IN MARTON INSTEAD OF BEDFORD.
THAT'S BASICALLY WHAT ALL I HAVE TODAY.
UH, CAN I HAVE A MOTION, CLOSE MOTION TO CLOSE THE PUBLIC HEARING? I SECONDED.
UM, I APPRECIATE THE MEMBERS OF APPELLA COMING OUT AND VOICING YOUR FRUSTRATION.
UM, I APOLOGIZE THAT SOME OF THAT FRUSTRATION WAS DIRECTED AT YOU.
AS A FORMER ASSOCIATE AT A UH, FIRM THAT REPRESENTED APPLICANTS, I KNOW WHAT IT'S LIKE TO BE THE, UH, PERSON
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STANDING INSO, UM, I'M SORRY, I'VE BEEN THERE.
UM, IS THERE ANYTHING ELSE THAT YOU WOULD LIKE TO ADD? NOTHING ADDITIONAL.
UM, AT THIS POINT I BELIEVE THAT WE HAVE TO MAKE A MOTION TO APPROVE OR DO I JUST GO INTO THE RESOLUTION? ARE WE JUST APPROVING? IS IT THE MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION? YES.
IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE.
UH, AND I COULD READ THE RESOLUTION IF YOU WOULD LIKE.
UM, I CAN READ IT, BUT IT WOULD BE A, IT WOULD BE A MOTION TO APPROVE THE RESOLUTION AS BEEN PREVIOUSLY PREPARED AND, UM, DISTRIBUTED TO THE BOARD.
SO THAT WOULD BE, UM, MOTION, I MEAN, I'M SORRY, RESOLUTION 2024 DASH NINE A.
GOODWILL INDUSTRIES OF SOUTHERN NEW JERSEY OF PHILADELPHIA.
11 TOMLINSON MILL ROAD BLOCK 56 0 6.
SEEKING MINOR SITE PLAN AND USE VARIANCE FOR OFFICE SPACE AND DROP OFF LOCATIONS PER THE FINAL DECISION BY THE HONORABLE GET COVERT ASSIGNMENT, JUDGE SUPERIOR COURT.
THE BEGINNING OF THIS, MR. RICKARD ASKED YOU, CAN WE ADD ANY OTHER ADDITIONAL STIPULATIONS? WHAT WAS THE ANSWER TO THAT? ONLY IF THE APPLICANT AGREED TO IT AND THEY DID.
ONLY IF THE, ONLY IF THE APPLICANT AGREED TO IT AND THEY DIDN'T.
SO WE HAD DETERMINED IN THE, UM, OH NO, THAT WAS DIFFERENT.
NO, WE JUST HAD CLARIFICATION.
WHICH, IS THERE A WAY TO ADD AN ADDITIONAL TRAFFIC STUDY AFTER THEY'RE OPEN OR ADDITIONAL REVIEW? WE'RE PRETTY MUCH, AND SINCE THAT WAS OUR, YEAH, WE'RE PAST THAT AT THIS POINT, SINCE THAT STUDY HAS ALREADY BEEN COMPLETED AND NOT FOUND TO BE SO OUR HANDS ARE TIED.
AND THEY DID AGREE TO PROVIDE CERTAIN UPGRADES IN ACCORDANCE WITH, UH, MR. NOEL'S, UM, LETTER AND RECOMMENDATION THAT INCLUDED ADDITIONAL SIGNAGE, ADDITIONAL LIGHTING, AND AGAIN, THE RETRIP OF THE PARKING LOTS.
YOU KNOW, ESSENTIALLY IF THEY MOVE ALL STORAGE INSIDE, DON'T KEEP IT OUTSIDE ON SITE.
THEY'RE A RETAIL STORE, WHICH IS ALLOWED.
SO, I MEAN, I THINK THAT IS ONE OF MY MAJOR CONCERNS.
UM, YOU KNOW, I I THINK THERE IS THE POSSIBILITY OF TRASH DUMPING THERE BECAUSE I THINK PEOPLE MIGHT GATHER ALL BALANCES AND SLEEVE STUFF, BUT THAT'S THEIR ISSUE TO DEAL WITH, I GUESS.
UM, THAT THEY'LL HAVE TO MAKE GOOD ON THAT.
DOES ANYONE WANT TO, UM, MAKE THE MOTION IF WE HAVE TO? UM, YEAH, I, I, I, I MAKE THE MOTION THAT WE APPROVE THE APPLICATION PER JUDGE COVER'S ORDER.
ROLL CALL MR. HAMILTON FOR JUDGE
THERE'S NO NEED FOR EXECUTIVE SESSION? CORRECT.
UM, SO I THINK AT THIS POINT WE CAN DO WE NEED TO PUT ON THE RECORD THAT WE DECIDED TO CHANGE THE, UM, TIME OF THE MEETINGS.
OH, WE NEVER, IT'LL BE OFFICIAL ON THE NOTICE THAT I DO FOR THE NOTICE OF DECISION.
DID WE, DID WE, I MEAN, WE DIDN'T CHANGE THIS MEETING.
FUTURE MEETINGS WILL GO TO SIX 30, WHICH IS STARTING AT SIX 30.
SO I CAN YOU THINK I'M GONNA MENTION THAT TO HER? YOU, YOU MET RIGHT?
SO I'M GONNA CHANGE IT TO SIX 30.
DO I NEED TO, DO WE NEED TO LIKE MAKE A MOTION TO DO THAT? NO, NO.
IT'LL JUST, THE THE RESOLUTION WILL BE NOTED THAT THE MEETING'S DATE AND TIME WILL BE SIX 30.
UM, AND I JUST THOUGHT OF TWO.
DID WE NEED TO DO ANY SWEARING IN OR OATHS FOR, OR THAT WAS ENOUGH? WHAT WAS SIGNED? 'CAUSE I KNOW THAT, I THINK HE GOT A NEW TERM EXTENSION.
MARTIN, WE CAN, WE CAN, WE CAN.
EVERYBODY WAS SWORN IN AHEAD OF TIME, SO YES.
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DO YOU WANNA STAY.